reminds me of something recently implemented in wow
#protection
civic rover
keen hearth
for me i have a lot more fun min maxing something and doing the best i can than playing something fun
even if i was the best in the world at a bad character i would have more fun being top 10% at something actually good
most people don't see it that way though
civic rover
even if the covenant system is flawed its funny seeing how fast the wow community transitioned viewpoints
10 months ago everyone was like "we want meaningful choices" so now we have meaningful choices and everyone is saying that it's too meaningful
sick sentinel
guys i'm sure you have already discussed it 100 times but my warr is lvl 59 right now and i have to pick up a covenant, i like venthyr but not sure if it's the best for prot warr
gloomy cradle
dumb question maybe but does weapon speed matter anymore?
seen mixed results googling
sweet summit
@sick sentinel #268491842637660160 venthyr sucks in dungeons, can pump on bosses tho
It all normalized @gloomy cradle so its irrelevant
flat nymph
@sick sentinel read up. Pick the one that you like
civic rover
venthyrs teleport is great in M+ and condemn is solid boss damage.
flat nymph
Generally its Kyrian>=Night Fae >> Venthyr>Necro
gloomy cradle
It all normalized <@347095889665458176> so its irrelevant
got it, thanks
civic rover
banner go 
sick sentinel
Spear fun but potion op
civic rover
thats cute but do you have a useless banner
flat nymph
Hey, you guys got any useful links for the fights for Castle Nathria? I need to start actually learning them lol
sick sentinel
The fact that he auto deals mid fight is just perfect. Swole boi giving the goods during a big pull & not having to click him
cosmic canyon
is there any 'world boss' in SL so far? That we have to 'slay' on a weekly schedule. As in; before next reset?
flat nymph
Not until Raid and Mythic+ is live as far as im aware. So next week basically
Only the eye of the jailor is the weekly "world boss"
In the maw
keen hearth
that reminded me, i noticed you can do eye of the jailor multiple times, can you get loot multiple times too?
keen hearth
damn it isnt even a daily? rip
dense pivot
well it drops 183 ilvl loot, would be too fat :p
dense pivot
just wait in the maw it pops like once in an hour or two
mellow plover
ty!
dense pivot
skull thingy on the map
or no, first it's swords thingy into the skull thingy when boss spawns
flat nymph
Yeah, its an event and once the bar is filled the boss will spawn
dense pivot
called "Wrath of the Jailer"
flat nymph
^
odd ridge
so I haven't played since legion, but haven't noticed any warforges or titanforges, guessing they removed the chance for gear to upgrade super high?
flat nymph
Yes thank fuck
odd ridge
oh ok I had a feeling that was the case since I didn't see any upgrades lol
dense pivot
quest gear still warforges
dense pivot
ok, maybe I don't understand what warforges means, it's all item level bump to me
steel mauve
wf is a 5ilvl upgrade
idk the ilvl difference from an uncommon to rare but i think it may be higher than 5 ilvls which is different than warforging
cosmic canyon
what's the max level on legendary items gonna be during the next 4 weeks you think?
cosmic canyon
and in order to get that I need the base item I can buy on the auctionhouse; of that iL + the drop and then go to the runecarver?
sick sentinel
so torn between alting an ele shaman or hunterrrrr 😦
open monolith
The correct answer is Enhancement Shaman
because crash lightning is the best looking ability in the game
signal patrol
When in doubt, always slot machine spec
open monolith
I like playing specs that the community considers bad
so when I dumpster the meters I can hopefully fix that perception, one group at a time
dense pivot
it's easy when you have friends
open monolith
wow, look at mr. "I have friends" over here
dense pivot
puggers get a lot of pressure :p
open monolith
Yeah I pugged all of Legion as Survival
and BFA
for like... the 1st 2 weeks of season 1 I was the top hunter in NA for r.io LOL
that didn't last long
dense pivot
well I guess puggers value rio more
open monolith
oh wait I'm retarded I didn't play SV in Legion
I was outlaw in Legion
I was only SV in BFA
boomer memory is failing me
open monolith
I refuse to play the other rogue specs
outlaw is fun for me for the same reason frost mage is fun for me
dense pivot
I only really hate assassination
open monolith
Outlaw is the easy mode spec that is good at aoe.
Sub is the 300iq 500apm rogue spec that is good at everything.
Assassination exists, apparently.
but man, Enhancements AOE rotation feels so fucking crisp.
single target is fucking wack-a-mole, but multi target is fucking art.
signal patrol
Outlaw's aoe rotation is the best bc it is the exact same as its single target
open monolith
LOL "just don't forget to press blade flurry sometimes, k? k."
signal patrol
Blade Rush turns the spec into a leather Warrior
open monolith
I was going to main a frost mage this expac, but then A) the mage discord is the most toxic community I've ever seen and B) everyone else was playing frost because it is a tad overtuned even after the nerfs
signal patrol
You have charge, and you have leap (hook)
I like Guy and Lok from the Rogue discord
sick sentinel
just having hte mobility on hunters is so nice
but ele is so pretty with its animations and spells
hunter mogs are also ugly
signal patrol
Less is more for mogs
sick sentinel
you gotta look good to play good
signal patrol
You could go Troll and make yourself look like a Warcraft 2 or 3 unit
sick sentinel
I have a mag'har hunter cause I liked the heritage armor, but the kor'kron dark shaman or the nighthold mythci tier on shaman also look so good
lucid dew
are there any boe drops in the raid?
amber sedge
171 Inspiring presence conduit WQ up in Bastion in NA
open monolith
welp
ionic fern
open monolith
guess I shouldn't have skipped that calling last night to go to bed
lost one 😦
calling = emissary cache right?
open monolith
I lost 3 😄
strong forum
F
open monolith
I don't play 3 / 4 days of the week
sometimes 4
because I'm an adult with a wife and family
and a full time job
strong forum
haha what a loser
open monolith
😦
strong forum
/s
open monolith
the wife today said "let's put up the tree when you get home and then you can go play!"
and I'm like
mellow patio
Being an adult with a wife and family doesn’t mean you can’t play a lot lmao
open monolith
"I've never loved you more than I do right now"
mellow patio
wakes up at 4am to GAME
open monolith
the secret is
we never actually grow up
we're just children with more responsibility
mellow patio
Wow is not a game for kids
strong forum
wow is a game for nerds
mellow patio
Word
open monolith
30 minutes until I can go hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooome
fuck this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiift
dense pivot
wait why is this cache reward lvl 184
astral crystal
frigid blaze
We like the Indominable Darkmoon deck or nah?
frigid blaze
ty ily
strong forum
❤️
open monolith
So who wants to go raid Nomeratur and steal his conduit
next thing I know he'll show that he got thunderlord
open monolith
knowing that your Spear damage is increased 9% more than mine just for doing your callings
leaves me deflated and angry
but then I remember that I am not progging or going for world firsts of any kind
strong forum
i aint grinding for leggo
if it feels like dropping during m+
it shall
if not, ill just craft the wall insta
frigid blaze
we want thundergod from spires right?
strong forum
ye
frigid blaze
Can it drop from any difficulty?
weary glacier
Guys, im probably just awful, But does it feel like disc priest healings are kinda weak on us?
strong forum
Can it drop from any difficulty?
yes
weary glacier
Im popping potions, cds, and tank rotation and my health is still going down.
frigid blaze
My pocket healer is disc and it felt weak compared to other heals
strong forum
Guys, im probably just awful, But does it feel like disc priest healings are kin...
could be 2 issues, you playing sub-par and him playing sub-par
currently disc should be really strong though
weary glacier
I see the penance shield and I just move faster to death
vocal flame
with the low haste im loving Punish so much more over devistator, such an easier game play
open monolith
having played disc somewhat recently:
it's not amazing
it's the same as it always had been
frigid blaze
with the low haste im loving Punish so much more over devistator, such an easier...
I thought of giving this a shot
vocal flame
i know its taboo but i like it alot
open monolith
"if your group is great, it is great"
"if your group isn't great, it's fucking garbage"
vocal flame
@frigid blaze im loving it
weary glacier
Ive been pugging everything since i have no friends or guild
vocal flame
@frigid blaze feel like i have more rage too
ionic flare
Would Voracity darkmoon trink be fine/worth picking up?
assuming indomitable is pretty bleh but haven't heard as much about voracity
open monolith
it's a metric fuck ton of haste so
vocal flame
only 10% haste with getting gear i feel like Punish is way better
open monolith
Punish is great for single target damage mitigation
frigid blaze
Yeah I'm at about 10% rn as well. AWFUL drop luck in mythics.
ionic flare
gotcha, thanks sock
open monolith
Devastator is for chads though
vocal flame
doing well in mythic so far too
open monolith
I don't have room on my hotbar for devestate
therefore I will never not pick devestator
frigid blaze
lmao
open monolith
look man
I only like having to press so many buttons
1-4, Q, E, F, R, C, Z, X ~ and some of them with shift or alt variants depending on how comfortable it is
eventually you just run out of binds that are comfortable.
I don't use one of those filthy mice with the buttons on the side (though I really probably should)
open monolith
I grip my mouse with my thumb, though
I feel like I would accidentally press shit all the time
vocal flame
yeah i hit all the side buttons with my thumb
bold wave
Anyone know if haste contributes to how fast Ravager hits?
modern brook
Lords do suck you dont get a swole owl to follow you around and play music
odd ridge
heres another q, does mythic +19 give better gear than mythic +15? or is it capped somewhere or does it scale forever
flat nymph
+15 is the cap
civic rover
Lords do suck you dont get a swole owl to follow you around and play music
you talking shit about my useless banner?
civic rover
hey fuck you
my banners beautiful
i mean its absolutely useless in a vast majority of situations
but its beautiful
compact stump
I’ve thought about getting another “mmo mouse” for more buttons but eh
My binds work well enough
civic rover
i use a gamepad lmao
bronze forge
Anyone know why i cant use condemn in prot, It flashes and says its can be used / cast i know it works as ive used it a few times?
civic rover
is the target above 80% health or below 20%?
bronze forge
yeah
but i can never cast it
im on the training dummy now its not working either but in dungeons it doesnt either
Ok, so it seems condemn wont work because it doesnt function on my addon "Extra Bars"
amber sedge
The Wall is probably better for single target raid encounters Chef, but obviously can't craft it until raids are out. But its def between the two
civic rover
for most situations this tier thunderlord is the best yeah
amber sedge
believe so but not sure
there was a blue post at some point though saying the less farmable the higher the drop chance, so to me that makes sense that the longer the lock out the higher the chance
still pagoda
The Wall is probably better for single target raid encounters Chef, but obviousl...
It is better to leave all the soul ash until mythic week
That way you won't get hit by nerfs in any shape or form
odd ridge
what do u guys think will be nerfed?
frosty ridge
it's crap, I didn't even bother to bind it when I saw that revenge is just better in every way
civic rover
animation is sexy tho
fallow violet
hi im really struggling to pick from kyrian or night fae any thoughts ?
hardy fractal
kyrian has more consistent damage and rage gen, mastery buff, and a health pot that can clear dots
civic rover
really just comes down to do you wanna be a rook from chess, or groot.
NF has some giga haste
iirc
still pagoda
NF has giga haste indeed
fallow violet
im so shook
sonic bone
hi im really struggling to pick from kyrian or night fae any thoughts ?
night fae feels amazing
civic rover
they both feel really good
fallow violet
what covenants have you all chose?
civic rover
necrolord, but unless you really like maldraxxus i wouldn't pick it
sonic bone
so i was mainly using pawn to check for upgrades, but after reading a couple of guides i found out that i was getting my stat priorities wrong, is there an updated string for the prot spec?
for pawn that is
sonic bone
the dmg is insane, the rage generation is really good and there is also the plus of knockdown
fallow violet
ive been sat thinking what to choose for over an hour
sonic bone
and the fox ability is really good to kite packs arround, aswell as if you choose the right side of the tree you can even pick sustain out of it
fallow violet
id rather be naked than have kyrian armor
modern brook
im naked + kyrian helm and shoulders tbhb
civic rover
imagine not wanna be a rook
still pagoda
+ night fae has the best mount
Kyrian cat mount is better IMO
dense pivot
you are forbidden to turn as kyrian
narrow willow
covenant
dense pivot
modern brook
imagine explaining a chess joke to a russian smh
dense pivot
only allowed to use run forward/backwards and strafes
still pagoda
imagine explaining a chess joke to a russian smh
At 2AM, took few seconds to get the reference
wild sandal
can i go venthyir as prot, or do i lose alot? i main damage for raids btut sometime i go tank for dung
modern brook
i played to about 1700 then gave up cause im shit now i just do the queens gambit so i can call ppl pussies if they decline
wild sandal
nothing higher , usually 17-18 at best
civic rover
go venthyr if you like venthyr
still pagoda
nothing higher , usually 17-18 at best
Then go for it
civic rover
unless you're raiding top 50 world or doing unbelievably high keys it doesn't matter
wild sandal
would the soulbinds differ alot or doesnt matter
still pagoda
Tanks are almost entirely skill dependent
wild sandal
ok thank y ou
rancid ravine
Should I be running bolster and ravage while I'm dungeon leveling 50-60?
leaden steeple
are necrolords really that bad? went kyrian but not really feeling it
odd ridge
I think necrolords are a bit below power lvl of the others but also more likely to receive buffs and have more group utility. I agree tho kyrian very bland feeling on war, venthyr arguably the most satisfying cov wars got
leaden steeple
didnt they say no changes to abilities before 9.1? that is months away
odd ridge
dunno, I mean necrolords makes you tankier than the other covs so youre extra unkillable but lacks dmg and its a bit clunky with the cast time so if ur ok doing less damage to survive more and ok with the shield cast time then go for it
quaint spruce
What is the stat priority for protection
restive flax
Necrolords doesnt really make you tankier than kyrian for example
Spear of Bastion gives you rage generatiton which translates directly to more tankiness
Which can fix ragestareved downtimes you might have
strong forum
get dabbed on
restive flax
@quaint spruce kinda depends on what you want to do. Haste is always your mainstat but what comes aftr it depends on the content you wanna do
quaint spruce
I have 26% mastery going to be a main raider
dense pivot
spec to arms and go to legion
restive flax
For raids its Haste > Versatility > Mastery > Crit
open monolith
my current game: "I'm gonna go back to Orib- ooh another Rising Glory! Okay back to- Oooh another Rising Glory! Now where is that Heart-ooooh another rising glory!"
restive flax
If you wanna do M+ its more like Haste > Crit > Versatility > Mastery I'd say
open monolith
it's Ilvl >>>>>>>>> Haste >>>>>>>> vers = crit >> Mastery
anyone who says otherwise is a damned fool.
restive flax
wait, for M+ Crit is slightly better than vers no?
open monolith
ilvl is significantly better than everything
restive flax
sure
open monolith
so it's irrelevant for the most part.
quaint spruce
Ok so I do have the wrong stat prio gear and thanks
open monolith
well
stat priority isn't.. really a thing
not like stat weights anyway
You want ilvl first. Always. Put on the higher ilvl, period
open monolith
Once everything is the same ilvl, stack the fuck out of haste until you can comfortably keep shield block up
restive flax
I just tried to answer the question 😄
If you have the choice > do this
In any other case > just get higher ilevel items
open monolith
A piece with 60 haste at ilvl 155 is worse than a piece with 0 haste at 171
basically.
get them big dick ilvls
remember, the size of your penis is 1 to 1 with your ilvl
restive flax
you can customize rings and neck fairly decent tho
open monolith
in which case go for haste and vers
yes crit is better than vers for pure dps
but we're a tank
civic rover
A piece with 60 haste at ilvl 155 is worse than a piece with 0 haste at 171
nah in most cases besides rings ilvl is king
restive flax
isnt that what he said
open monolith
so you're agreeing with me?
strong forum
That's what he's saying
restive flax
LUL
civic rover
wait
strong forum
Reading hard
restive flax
^^
civic rover
wait but
okay hear me out
i might just be fucking stupid
unless it's rings you're talking about im pretty sure ilvl is almost always king because just more stats
restive flax
for rings and neck I do agree with you though.
civic rover
like more strength and armor
restive flax
yup
restive flax
😄
open monolith
that's what I said
civic rover
445 vita was better than almost any 475 trinket in season 4
restive flax
I mean trinkets just have some out of the box utility that is either helpful to you or not
sometimes
restive flax
I kinda like how trinkets let you do different things... but not to a crazy amount like we had before
something insane like Drest'agath is too much for example 😄
but if they let you partially fix your classes "shortcomings" I think its cool
thorny laurel
Is there any plans to make Raidbots work for Prot?
granite cloud
do yall have a fav/ least fav healer spec to tank for
restive flax
Define worth.
restive flax
No covenant will make you useless.
gusty lion
U know how ppl get in m+
restive flax
Condemn is just not as good in multitarget situations
Because it's a lot of rage for st mitigation
If you wanna do real high keys condemn isn't that great for it.
leaden steeple
how do I even swap covenants? might as well say fuck and get drafted in the skeleton war anyway
open monolith
what are the base legendary pieces called
restive flax
As in "it won't hold you back, but you won't use it much"
gusty lion
Covenants are fkn dumb and fee like its limiting ppl
I switched to war so i can tank m+ and push , but also to pvp as arms
open monolith
oh wow rank 1 legendary boots are only 3500 gold on my server
gauntlets are 18k
guess I know where I'm putting thunderlord
real pine
You can buy them?
vocal flame
you can buy them? lol
restive flax
Condemn can work for prot but as I said. It's not great for high m+
open monolith
what do you mean you can buy them?
of course you can buy them
why would you not be able to
restive flax
But then again, prot itself can do high m+ decently
vocal flame
everyone was complaining how easy legs are and now you can buy them?
fallow mortar
People sell the crafted item on the AH
open monolith
......?
restive flax
You can buy the base item
open monolith
wtf you think people who go alchemy just CANT make (and therefore can't use) a legendary?
that is smooth brain af
of course you can buy the base pieces
vocal flame
then you put a memory into it?
real pine
For a second I thought we were talking about the entire thing finished
The component makes sense
open monolith
a memory and 2 inscription items
gusty lion
Its not bad
vocal flame
i got the intercept one today was wondering what it was for
open monolith
anyone know if you can use 2 missives for the same stat in a legendary
or do you have to choose 2 stats
lament knot
New to protection but mained fury warrior in the past expansion is there a rotation kinda run down or somethin i can read so i can better choose talents and attacks i feel like i may have to much in my rotation
vocal flame
man i am looooving punish
flint hornet
when do i get my magic shield
vocal flame
always go ilevel broll
outer wedge
We are haste gods now
limpid pawn
what about the primary stat?
outer wedge
Go best ilvl.
vocal flame
^
outer wedge
Also everything needs haste. More clappin hoes!
limpid pawn
haha, monk discord was tellin me the exact opposite advice regarding azerite pieces
outer wedge
BRO ARE YOU A MONK OR A WARRIOR? Come on mang
vocal flame
always ilevel
limpid pawn
which trinkets you guys usin?
outer wedge
Well since nothing dropped in mythic this week, the pvp haste rank 3 one and the one from the bastion instance.
I stay clappin hoes.
limpid pawn
what are the ideal ones , hakkar?
lethal mauve
Does anyone know if you can just spam the same dungeon over and over for the legendary power? [thunderlord]
outer wedge
Yes but it won’t drop for me 😦
flint hornet
are warrior tanks super bad for mythics? i feel like I'm being destroyed
vocal flame
i switched devistator and am doing much much better, thats just me tho
outer wedge
I mean I’m double pulling at 178ilvl currently. Some pulls you can’t but a lot you can. Interrupting is key to survival.
Also knowing when to kite.
vocal flame
so can you use the memories as many times as you like?
outer wedge
Memories? 🧐
fallow violet
is it normal to only play prot and never switch?
vocal flame
the legendary ones
outer wedge
I leveled arms because the lady wanted to be a bear 🙄
I think so. I’m pretty sure it unlimited but don’t hold me to it. I read a little about it just not 100%
vocal flame
yeah its pretty complicated lol
outer wedge
Yes I’m not 100% sure
fringe marten
uhh...what's up with servers right now?
maiden ravine
ddos attack somewhere in the networks. It's not all players or regions so it's ISP related probably
modern brook
truly, arcane intellect is the most important buff.
been running that for most of s4 :^)
fringe marten
Yo...I'm a bit behind and was counting on tonight and tomorrow (my day off..retail manager) to catch up. This is genuinely pissing me off.
outer wedge
Welcome to world of Warcraft.
fringe marten
This is another level of human garbage...every time a new expac hits this happens somewhere in the launch window. What is genuinely wrong with these people?
formal river
Lol, it hasn't been out a week yet, and the way it's designed it's no bother to catch up
Cant judge your progress in the game by looking at hardcore number crunching discords and streamers. You're fine
outer wedge
Chill man! You can level to 60 in like a day.
weary glacier
Are there any news or patches that plans on making Prot warrior not as squishy?
Prot warriors feel like a slightly tankier dps.
spare cobalt
I don’t think it’s that squishy at all
torn gulch
prot warrior is ok
dire kiln
Idk, but i've holdin pretty well in m0, most of the time
torn gulch
problem is very low haste
toxic belfry
trying to get the thunderlord memory, can it still drop after getting locked out of Mythic spires?
spare cobalt
You get rekt if there’s no kicks
toxic belfry
same chance in each mode? Might just have to grind it out in normal
weary glacier
Was doing M0 Theater of Pain, on final boss and I had perfect defensives and Cd. I still just get chunk for everything instantly.
Its probably the mobs that spawn and they shoot their unreflectable spells
but healer was doing like 2.1k hps
could also be him healing everyone else who keeps getting hit or something
torn gulch
that boss is difficult but i did not had any crazy stuff happening
weary glacier
like, every boss fight in mythic, right now. I'm using
Bastion potion
My own alchemy potion
Lockcandy
since i just lose hp so much
civic rover
either undergeared or you/group is playing improperly
woeful harbor
heyho thunderlord is the best leggy for m+ and thorgast yes ?
weary glacier
Im 175, im overgeared if anything
more than likely the group sucks
but even during trash pull
i drop so hard
woeful harbor
and its only 4,5 sek or every clap on 3 targets ?
torn gulch
through shield block?
weary glacier
following the rotation and guide on wowguide
yeah, prolly magical mobs
that chunks me
torn gulch
majority of damage in dungeons is physical
granite nacelle
anyone seen a thunderlords legendary power drop
granite nacelle
65ish runs soi far
compact stump
most of my gearing was done via m0
starting around 145 ish ilvl
guild groups though, no pugs
weary glacier
Yeah, I dunno personally, I just feel like I'm too squishy. I also dont feel like im being healed most of the time too.
spare cobalt
@granite nacelle I got it from normal
granite nacelle
okay
spare cobalt
Believe
granite nacelle
im on 65 run for normal
spare cobalt
I believe in you
weary glacier
wait, they do drop on normal?
digital nova
fierce mango
whats the best lego for m+?
hollow lark
asked the same question in Fury chat because im getting mixed answers from the guides ive read , but what would be in your guys opinion the best covenant for a fury/prot combo, for mythic plus
woeful harbor
for the legendary thunderlord the sec stats are haste and versa right ?
empty locust
Can confirm the thundergods drops on normal. For me it dropped on run 17
pliant sage
Wewt, grats Gael
So anyone here doing some decent testing on different covenants? I really don't like Kyrian and I want to swap to Necro, what all am I giving up by doing that?
formal river
For all the hemming and hawing they are pretty close overall.
The rough part about necro is the super long CD
And it's not like any of them give major magic defense which would be the dealbreaker.
pliant sage
I just reread through the Necrolord wowhead guide and its pretty ....sad about the covenant
The cov has style and it's awesome for flavor but it's terrible for math
formal river
It wont break your game to go ti
I love the maldraxxus bros
But I went venthyr because I love raping single target.
pliant sage
I hate the vampires. Everything about them bugs me. Rn my Warrior is Kyrian because spear is super useful
paper nebula
did any prots
go venthyr?
i chose kyrian but im thinking of venthyr cause its optimal on arms for st
hrm
wanna do both tnaking and dps
sick sentinel
venthyr is nice on bosses as prot
in dungeons
big burst with cd
plus it does damage absorb as you spam so oyu take little damage
graceful granite
I wish condemn was a little less awful for prot
paper nebula
are u venthyr @graceful granite
empty locust
My concern would be the rage used to use condemn. Rage is precious right now for defence
graceful granite
The biggest issue actualyl is prot's inability to AoE with execute
Condemn is defensive
and is usable on bosses for that reason
But on trash we have no way to apply the absorb on it to the trash
formal river
I went venthyr as prot MS. I love it.
graceful granite
I wish they'd modify the rage cost of condemn down to just 20 for prot, and then make it auto cleave for prot or something
formal river
:)
empty locust
WoT fan?
graceful granite
grats
neat dirge
thank you
graceful granite
piece that gives the most stats
neat dirge
alright!
graceful granite
But yeah, venthyr just feels so awful for prot and that disappoints me. Because it feels really good for arms.
paper nebula
thats why im having a hard time right now
pliant sage
I just don't want to feel terrible for wanting to swap to Necro
graceful granite
Kyrian's good for arms and prot
pliant sage
The cd and Soulbinds are ....not good for it
paper nebula
yea but condemn is opop no?
graceful granite
Soulbind #3 for Necro is pretty great
pliant sage
I'm Kyrian as well but I don't like the paladin asthetic
graceful granite
But that's checks notes 2 1/2 months away
pliant sage
Too many angels and not enough chopping off heads imo
bold wave
Good evening everyone! So I've been running SL dungeons and been running this build. I decided to change it today to using Ravager instead of Unstoppable Force and I really like the income of rage and threat increase on an AoE level it gives. Anyone else try this is dungeons and have a similar experience? If not, what was bad?
graceful granite
If the necro ability didn't feel so fucking awful
I would have went them in a heartbeat
pliant sage
I use Shockwave almost on CD so I love Rumbling Earth in dungeons. Not too sure about indomitable but it's not super better than the rest of the line
bold wave
I used rumbling earth all bfa
That's how I feel.
potent anvil
I kinda like bolster for dungeons (soon m+) since I like Last Stand to feel useful outside of an HP boost. Overall that build works.
bold wave
I kinda like bolster for dungeons (soon m+) since I like Last Stand to feel usef...
That's what I feel too. I can't decide if I want Last Stand. Honestly, I hate the feeling of loosing the reduction of CD on rage used.
graceful granite
Bolster just feels awful now that last stand isn't affected by anger managemetn... and is exclusive to it
compact stump
Impending victory is ok, but indomitable seems best for me
graceful granite
I'll miss unkillable prot from BFA
pliant sage
Between Leap, Charge, and Int I don't really see a need for Double Time
graceful granite
I just disrespected so much trash pulls that entire expansion
compact stump
I was farming normal for thunderlord earlier and just pulling basically everything on each floor
bold wave
I use Shockwave almost on CD so I love Rumbling Earth in dungeons. Not too sure ...
For me, the choice was between that and double time but I love the feeling of charging twice. At this point, I am trying to charge when I don't have a second charge and end up failing at tanking cause I cant get to enemies to aoe taunt for example
pliant sage
I got used to Prot from 8.1 so this isn't so bad. Granted I'm still doing Heoics
compact stump
Went to help a buddy run a mythic and got gut checked lol
Was still in invincible mode
graceful granite
Yeah, no random avatar procs... no ignore pain automatically on avatar...
pliant sage
Oh, no. Need to slow down. The real issue I'm running into is everyone still learning mechanics
graceful granite
no shield block on last stand...
no last stand every other trash pull...
Yeah, huge change in how I play prot now
bold wave
Between Leap, Charge, and Int I don't really see a need for Double Time
id consider taking double time off for leap legendary but im very unsure of that
pliant sage
In a bit we can get Shield Wall every pack or two. Should feel nice
pliant sage
Wall > leap leggo
graceful granite
🤮
pliant sage
I'm Kyrian so I can teather mobs. Helps with some movements
compact stump
I spear solely for the rage and damage
graceful granite
I mean I pretty much only get to use my ability 6 times a dungeon
compact stump
Kiting isn’t necessary too much yet
pliant sage
Well yeah, I still spear single target for the ticking rage.
graceful granite
Because it drains 40 rage, doesn't AoE because prot can't cleave execute like arms and fury can
compact stump
Spearing globgrogs slimes to aid pug dps is useful too for one example of tether usefulness
graceful granite
So I'm really only allowed to use it on charge vs a boss after I've got shield block and IP up
pliant sage
But in trash it helps with aggro and positioning.
graceful granite
IMO if they can make banner behave differently for arms, fury, and prot they can make condemn behave differently too
graceful granite
Condemn should have a higher base damage on fury because the cd, and for prot it should have a set 20 cost and apply the absorb debuff to up to 5 targets in range
bold wave
so is thunderlord or wall legendary better for us?
compact stump
Depends on content Khrom
graceful granite
Deep wounds is applied by MS, Cleave, Execute/Condemn, and Bladestorm
bold wave
in dungeons I mean
compact stump
Wall for raid, thunder for mythics
pliant sage
It does? Kool. @bold wave the wall in general, thunder for damage in dungeons
compact stump
Wall maybe for high mythics, sorta to be decided
bold wave
kinda what I was thinking too
pliant sage
The wall is better on higher keys where you need the CD more
compact stump
Possibly
compact stump
At high keys you kite more than face tank
graceful granite
Demo shout is ALSO a cooldown
and thunderlord is reducing that CD
Demo shout doubles as both offensive and defensive when you talent.
compact stump
Booming yea
pliant sage
Yea, but you still need to get aggro. 40% Dr while starting to kite has to be better than just yeeting in
graceful granite
So having more demo shouts = more damage, more rage (thus more IP and shield block) and more uptime on damage reduction vs target saffected by it
pliant sage
And I'm thinking 10-15, not 17+
compact stump
Anyone else think the soul binds are kinda underwhelming
pliant sage
For which covt?
compact stump
Kyrian, sorry
graceful granite
Soul binds were intentionally nerfed prior to live because they were very powerful in mid beta
And palecgos is literally the only one worth anything for kyrian
the other two are laughably bad.
bold wave
Yeah, legendary giving us anger management on demo shout again
graceful granite
Lowered by 4.5 seconds every AoE thunderclap
pliant sage
Yeah it's Pelagos or broke for Kyrian. Mastery and magic dr
graceful granite
meaning you can likely demo shout twice for every pull
Or more
With thunderlord
compact stump
The 3% magic dr just seems meh
graceful granite
the issue with palecgos being the only good one for kyrian
compact stump
Any magic dr is welcome but feels lacking
bold wave
haste helps with that alot too
graceful granite
is it competes with your DPS offspec
because you both want some of the same conduit slots
and that's what ultimately made me pass on kyrian
compact stump
I never focus much on offspecs, always leave that to alts
Might be better this xpac but past headaches have steered me away from it
novel temple
Are the old strength gems better than haste?
bold wave
Are the old strength gems better than haste?
I'm unsure on that one
fallow mortar
If you want the extra armor then I don't see why not.
empty locust
fair chance the old BFA 18 Str gems will be nerfed
unique shale
do legendary powers give prot warrior a lot advantages or can i tank without them ?
signal plover
unique shale
do you think i better off main tank or dps
i used to be main tank in bfa to get easy invites and playing arm for fun
proud kernel
up to u. are u bound to a guild? do u have a main role? if not olay whatever. i play offspec tank. legendaries might be a bit expensive at first but that will change.
unique shale
nah i not bound to a guild i am free lancer
proud kernel
prioritize main spec legendaries and then u can do whatever. its not hard to make them at all
unique shale
i just do not wanna get kick for low dps as arm at lest as tank it is all about know what you doing
proud kernel
all up to u
warrior is not at a spot where we will get kicked or not invited just because warrior
unique shale
easy to say when you have guild that you get free invite into raids and mythic runs
proud kernel
first: what stops u to join a guild
second: if u can play ur class right there is no way even in pugs to have any problems
unique shale
As dps they will ask for achievement but if you are tank free invite not even asking for achievement
proud kernel
i personally dont invite tanks without exp at later stages of raid tiers
unique shale
yup but if you wait for a tank to join more than 30min you will invite anybody
proud kernel
i will just do it myself 
proud kernel
tanks are not rare at the start of expansions. its getting more scarce in the middle when everyone is going in with alts
unique shale
that's kind of vice versa on my server
vestal moat
Which dungeons should we be prioritizing for our BiS gear?
unique shale
wowhead is your best friend
robust dew
so venthyr single target vs nightfae's aoe and knockback for m+ ? i would think the nightfae one would be better unless im wrong
sweet summit
Nightfae is better than venthyr overall for dungeons
graceful granite
Figured out how they could fix fucking venthyr for prot
Just make prot condemn work like fury execute/condemn
and only condemn, not regular execute
so it doesn't 'buff' regular prot and only venthyr prot
sweet summit
Ye we've been saying that 
graceful granite
plz blizz do it
limpid pawn
hey, if we did the trheads of fate and skipped everything on an alt
how do we acquire the covenant mount?
having some trouble finding this
graceful granite
same way
You join a covenant, do your covenant campaign
need to hit 60 before you can start the campagin
limpid pawn
the covenant campaign shows that it is 1/9 and requires reknown 5
graceful granite
campaign stops until next weke
graceful granite
campaign is time gated, we wont' finish it until renown 22
wait what
I haven't got a mount yet
sturdy sable
What cov
limpid pawn
"dream light runestag" for night fae
graceful granite
yeah it says a high renown rank for my mount for venthyr
yeah 23
renown 23 for venthyr moutn
round cliff
so im playing prot pretty much only for call to arms but i wanna improve anyways
round cliff
u cant have 100% shield block uptime, whats my plan of action during that time i cant be shield blocking
graceful granite
IP
sweet summit
Kite, external, SW
limpid pawn
use shield wall, some overpowered tanking trinket, healer external, kite
graceful granite
in gneeral we're just going to take more damage now
The unkillable prot warrior of BFA is gone
thorny saddle
anyone have an update spellreflect list like the one we had for bfa?
wheat jasper
pinned
outer wedge
Brol what overpowered tanking trinket you talking about? 🧐 they all look rather lackluster right now, some way underperform also.
sweet summit
Hakkar
outer wedge
I mean I personally think it’s ok. Just won’t drop for me so can’t test it.
prisma gorge
hi guys what is your DPS? lets say single target and 4ish packs
distant crystal
@limpid pawn cause it isn't a particularly good guideline for replacing neck/cape
they're giga over budget for their ilvl
15 crit + 1 stam for 45 mastery
maiden ravine
Someone forgot to turn on fury loot spec before Kaal and got the best trinket ever. 
prisma gorge
5min cd is quite long isnt it?
prisma gorge
hi guys what is your DPS? lets say single target and 4ish packs
please advise, i feel like 800 to 1100 dps single tar and +300 to 500 more on multiple targets isnt good enough with nearly 170 gear
prisma gorge
You should be doing more than that, yeah
do you overlap offensive cds such as avatar ravager or you line em up?
maiden ravine
164 ilvl, my overall damage in Sang Depths was 1.7k
1k on Kaal which is a lot of movement and has downtime
I'm a condemn warrior too. I could only imagine Kyrian or Night Fae would have an easier time on dps
unique shale
which legendary should i build first on prot war ?
sweet summit
The wall for raiding
Thunderlord for dungeons
unique shale
well i doing both
sweet summit
Gotta make a choice then
sweet summit
Youll get both sooner or later
grand drum
feet has more stat budget i think
open monolith
just finished mythic theater
what the fuck is that last boss
that seems WAY overtuned
lusty grotto
its the snake boss
theater of pain right?
just gotta burn it or you'll get overwhelmed by mechanics
aka running from portal, staying away from others, dodging pigs
open monolith
it's mostly the adds she summons
sweet summit
Is that in maldraxxus
lusty grotto
yes
open monolith
it's not even the mechanics
it's straight up the damage from those adds
it is insane
lusty grotto
the adds are the easy part
sweet summit
Where you fly though portals?
open monolith
yeah i pug. so my dps is rarely super good lol
lusty grotto
thats the one
sweet summit
Ahhh
lusty grotto
he says last boss
sweet summit
Ye
open monolith
that fight just seems like, leaps and bounds harder than any of the others
in terms of the outgoing damage.
lusty grotto
it kinda does im not gonna lie
but, its doable right now, we will see on tyrannical
brittle owl
inb4 they scale with fort
open monolith
yeah i mean, I got through it with just 1 dps friend and 3 puggerinos
lusty grotto
i think the best way to deal with the adds
because they spawn from that ability where you have to be away from other people
is to be as close to each other as possible
not on top of each other of course
but close enough that the adds that spawn are not that far from each other
or have a maldraxxus dk pop their shit lol
lusty grotto
i dont know how it works but my friend says that it pulls everything to him
the maldraxxus ability
idk
lusty grotto
im not a dk 😛
brittle owl
get sad at the fact you can't bigbrain plays with it
lethal iron
are you guys doing torghast as prot??
lusty grotto
yeah
lethal iron
im struggling rn
hearty portal
to interupt their casts, then they are dead
lusty grotto
stack as close as possible cause the ability itself does decent damage
that's what i said yeah
torghast as prot is so easy
faceroll
lethal iron
the boss for level 3 killing me doe 😭
lusty grotto
what are you having problems with
...
uhh
idk what to tell you
both wings were so fucking easy as prot
lethal iron
ik the rest of the instance was easy af
eager phoenix
i did this weeks torghast as arms easily enough none the wiser about prot scaling.
hearty portal
you're literally immortal as prot 🤔
how do you die
You know there is a consumable that make abilities cost 0 rage right? right before the boss
lusty grotto
i didnt even use that
hearty portal
for 2 freaking minutes
Its dumb to not use it is what I'm saying. Its not needed tho
lusty grotto
its easy enough atm that you dont even need that
which wing is it
are you not dodging or falling down or something
im curious now
lethal iron
LMAO didnt see that item
still pagoda
Its dumb to not use it is what I'm saying. Its not needed tho
it is somewhat worse than just stacking Shield Slam CDR
if we're talking of pure boss-killing
hearty portal
umh? what?
hearty portal
okay what does that have to do with that consumable?
still pagoda
renders it meaningless if you are able to get 75-100% cdr
which equals 3-4 globes with this one
hearty portal
How is 100% rage cost reduction meaningless? ever?
still pagoda
you are going to have almost infinite rage from all the shield slam spam you do with that added cdr
like literally, ragemote anima power is a trap for prot
when you already have generators that have no cd if choosing appropriately(or doing twisting corridors when they come out. Who doesn't like some no cd 200-1000% increased damage Shield Slams)
hearty portal
Yes lets assume you always get the best anima powers
still pagoda
torghast is free for every single tank spec in the game anyway
i don't know how can someone even struggle in that damn place
hearty portal
Well I'm not, someone else was tho which is why I'm giving him advice instead of saying. Lol get gud. Just get the best anima powers lmao
Fucking pointless
still pagoda
just don't sleep on shield slam powers and you'll be fine
hearty portal
First you need to get them, which is the entire core problem of your argument
still pagoda
ragemote is really meaningless if you look at it from perspective of all your already existing rage generation and difficulty of torghast
hearty portal
The mote is 100% garantueed in any torghast before the last boss
still pagoda
it is surely fantastic for arms, but meh for prot tbh
hearty portal
getting good anima powers is extremly iffy, I've done over 20 and gotten complete shit in atleast 5 of them. But you can kill the last boss with ass powers anyway as port so its fine
still pagoda
not much to gauge out of it
outside of endless IP spam, but that's it. Literally pointless waste of button presses
hearty portal
And endless IP makes it free win
still pagoda
pointless to spam IP if boss doesn't do damage to you anyway
agile stag
WHO DIS muezala
strong forum
How is 100% rage cost reduction meaningless? ever?
Because you don't spend rage, so you don't heal through indom or get the rage accounted towards anger management
100% rage reduction is actually bad for us
hearty portal
Dont need the heal when you have 100% ignore pain
strong forum
That's not part of the power
hearty portal
100% upptime
strong forum
That's irrelevant
If you don't have that 100% ignore pain absorb
Sure if you get both, it can be nice
hearty portal
No ofc not
strong forum
But outside of that, not really
hearty portal
you dont die against the last boss if you have 100% upptime on ignore pain
hearty portal
Did you pay attention to the discussion? someone had problems
and apperantly did die
I was giving him advice, and that consumable is a free win regardless of your anima powers
strong forum
You can kill a boss with 0 anima powers period
But the 100% rage reduction is bad
It just is
hearty portal
Okay so you give him advice then
jolly thistle
One of the bosses is bugged tho
strong forum
100% uptime on IP still causes you to take 50% dmg
strong forum
But makes you unable to get use out of indom heal
So you are unable to get your health back up without potions
You can't cancel the buff
So you just die if you're already low hp
Even if you have IP up
It's just bad, it's a very very bad anima power that should actually be avoided given that we can generate a shitton of rage
hearty portal
You wont die without imdomitable
strong forum
But your chances are higher
agile stag
fellas fellas fellas!!
hearty portal
Nah its just impossible
strong forum
Now you're just being condescending
hearty portal
You go give your advice to the guy that was struggling
jolly thistle
There’s one boss that should spin with a knockback beam that kills you in 2 ticks. The beam follows you on live servers .if you don’t kick or stun it fast you’ll die .
agile stag
He propably left this discord already 🤭
hearty portal
There was no mistake
mellow patio
100% rage bad
Hawgz is here to drop truth
But... 100% leech... Gibs me that anime power and I’ll show you a good time
restive flax
The no rage consumption anima power is annoying as hell, why would you ever take that lol
mellow patio
Let’s be honest
Only powers worth taking are the ones that turn you into a mawrat or make mawrats your victims
Anything other than that is a bait
No mawrats? No dice better luck next time
undone sun
mellow patio
Mawrat pinball with heroic leap? Don’t mind if I do
Can’t die if you hip hop your way to the final boss
rancid kettle
Night Fae or Kyrian for M+
mellow patio
Yes it is good, but kyrian will give you good snap rage gen
Like I said they are close in value, kyrian is just a smidge ahead
rancid kettle
Appreciate it.
mellow patio
Appreciate you
open monolith
can you have 2 missives of the same stat on your legendary
or must be 2 different?
maiden ravine
two different
mellow patio
^
But what a scene it would be if I were allowed to be a haste stacking homunculous
maiden ravine
condemn knockdown and rage free abilities is so great
restive flax
Imagine prot had sudden death
maiden ravine
If only
errant oriole
hey guys how is prot performing so far? 😄