so i know to not dump rage in IP
#protection
torn gulch
old dagger
Nice
torn gulch
and yeah i have 8% haste
15s recharge time on SB
kekekeke
at least i have 184 weapon and 190 shield
old dagger
Well, Im still leveling. I wouldnt know my haste %. Wanted to go arms. But unfortunately Im the only tank (for M+)
torn gulch
we actually have tanks for m0
we had like 15 m0 groups running at the same time
in my guild
discord was full of 5 mans
it's nice that we have peeps offspec tanking
so we can run peeps in m0
and not go with pugs lottery
old dagger
Did you tank on your war?
torn gulch
yep
i'm a tank main
tanked on my warr tank on my ursoc
i'm waiting to be able to play wall build
apparently it makes Shield SLam like 1-1.5min cd
open monolith
Thunderlord legendary is my jam
open monolith
I mean, I'm sure we all will eventually
torn gulch
i mean i am crafting 2 rank 1 for prot
thunderlord
and wall
and one rank 1 for fury
open monolith
Well, you definitely aren't doing that tomorrow
open monolith
O.o why
torn gulch
maybe even mythic week
because things can change
and we don't want to mess up with legos
open monolith
You probably shouldn't pick a covenant either then
torn gulch
we don't need them for m0
open monolith
In fact you probably shouldn't pick a class
Or a spec
Because it could change at any moment
torn gulch
might as well delete the game
open monolith
In fact just don't play wow at all :)
open monolith
These guides kill me. "Don't forget to start your Covenant change quest to save a week!"
torn gulch
hahahahaha
open monolith
Lol, nah. Won't be changing even if everything else gets mega buffed
sick sentinel
I originally picked Venthyr, then switched to Kyrian
and I did the stupid weekly quest to potentially switch back to Venthyr
civic rover
necrolord woyer WIN
timber nest
Anyone know if the proc pvp trinket got nerfed?
long stone
can deff warriors use fistweapons or get they a malus from it?
leaden grotto
Is there any difference in legendary drop rates between N/H/M dungeons? Is it "worthwhile" to spam Spires on normal to try and get TGV?
maiden ravine
there hasn't been strength fist weapons from dungeons in a long time, they'll be ability only
occasionally in BfA you could get odd weapon types from emissaries, but I don't know if the same is true for callings
north pecan
So how decent is Voracity trinket?
maiden ravine
it's good since it's haste, depends on how much money you have
north pecan
doesnt cost much but will be a trinket for two weeks lol
maiden ravine
they're 50k on my server still. I wish they'd get cheaper
north pecan
ya 40k Id grab it, at 80k right now
fierce mango
is prot gonna be good tier in m+ tanking??
dense flame
Dunno. Should be decent from what I’ve seen of the dungeons.
Pretty high damage as well
formal river
Psh screw vers get crit 👍
steel mauve
debating on getting indom incase it gets buffed and the price triples lol
darkmoon trinket that is
signal plover
BS isn't rly even BIS
honestly gathering + alch/ench are always strong
engi for m+
steel mauve
its 22k on malganis, usually the dmc decks are very weak and theyve been buffed to extremes in the past
lucid dew
Which you can buy
fluid socket
@signal plover where do you buy those stones? ty
signal plover
the AH
fluid socket
gotcha
maiden ravine
ah, I'm an alchemist on my main so I've just been using the oils
signal plover
oils may sim better in the end tbh
maiden ravine
especially since they buff some potions
signal plover
but 10 mins vs 1 hr iirc
maiden ravine
oils last an hour
signal plover
cool
primal saddle
I've been useing the dps darkmoon since I got one on the cheap
primal saddle
Actualy pops off
peak rampart
Or are the others just that much better?
floral plank
Did anyone go necrolord and having fun with it?
dawn imp
what's the drop rate on legendaries from dungeons?
steel mauve
booming voice is just really strong with TGV with the rage gen coupled with the extra damage
formal river
@floral plank necro is actually pretty close to the others, just boring.
Sucks because I love the maldraxus bros
floral plank
The flag seems dope thematically
signal patrol
I love banners and I like the idea of a personal duel arena. But it just felt too passive unlike the other abilities for me.
signal patrol
Gz
tardy parcel
tyty
formal river
Nice nice
granite cloud
Yo what do talks hotbars look like and what abilities do you think are the most useful/used
primal saddle
yea still not got got it
drifting jolt
cant find a reliable source for stat weights, anybody have good numbers?
for raid survival
charred fable
is the alchemy trinket any good for us? does it increase the healing of kyrian vials?
humble sentinel
any warriors for halls of attonement?
[10:05 PM]
plate run 170+
steel mauve
stat weights are fairly worthless, the priority is ilvl > haste > every thing else
primal saddle
mythic is mostly a cake walk you might have issues with bursty packs if you are 140 or so
i started mythics at about 140 ilvl with not much issues
raven dove
ended up going night fae, and tanking mythics so far today - loving that knockback, and very rarely finding times when I have to move enemies out of it on trash, bosses easy enough so far to find a window for it
err knockdown
not knockback
steel mauve
im probably gonna go night fae since my DH is going kyrian and i kinda like the night fae plate armor
signal patrol
name change to Treebeard
signal patrol
Become a rook
steel mauve
name change to iamgroot
coral marsh
can you guys upgrade your pact hall building beyond level 1 already?
i miss this one currency
not anima the other
how do you get it?
lavish oracle
I kinda like the Kyrian plate; it's very World of Warcraft in its aesthetic
lavish oracle
Incredibly unwieldy shoulderguards are a world of Warcraft staple
primal saddle
the melmet is bad too
granite cloud
At this point I honestly don't care what the sets look like because it's so hard to find things that look good on tauren
granite cloud
The helmet is the main issue
I've found exactly 4 good helmets and 3 are different difficulty variants of the same one
On the flip side when you pull it off chefs kiss
good tauren mogs are reeeeeealllly good
primal saddle
but theres like 3
granite cloud
I e got a mog planned that I think pulls it off I just need to get up to mythic nathria levels sigh
I've*
primal saddle
i mean by the time im back raiding mythic after the christmas break ill be probaly fair stacked on heroic and normal gear from 10mans
granite cloud
Under rot as it turns out has the only helmet I've seen that maybe looks better on a tauren than a regular head
primal saddle
which one?
primal saddle
ty
signal patrol
Worgen and tauren hunch over so the raptor skull thing that conceals their noggins entirely look pretty neat
meanwhile, everything else looks dreadful
granite cloud
theres another one that works on tauren back from wrath
hateful gladiators plate helm
which is one of those that hangs off their chin
granite cloud
ive been at this a long time and yes
DO NOT GET ME STARTED on high mountain tauren
those are even worse
granite cloud
once i get my mog together ill show it off its fire
chilly brook
Here's to hoping they redesign necro to be good
maiden ravine
make it give even moar primary
severe silo
Hey guys what would be a good race for m+ focused prot ?
solar crown
Pins, bro
sick sentinel
Dwarf op!
quartz mist
can we cast sequence avatar , DS , spear of bastion and ravager all into one macro ?
steel mauve
avatar and ds would cast at the same time, but probably
granite cloud
from what i understand for protection warriors the bonus from races is so minor it doesnt matter
that xsaid goblin and vulpera are hard mode
primal saddle
yea it makes no difference the race that is
granite cloud
and gnome
learn to tank without being able to see your character
master the ways of the blind tank
once youve achieved tankvana tread up a mountain top and live up there dispensing your wisdom to travelers in return for wow subscriptions
solar crown
Vulpera racial "make camp" had actually been rather usefull this exp
Has*
To have hs one place and camp another
So i dont have to fly everywhere.. since the flight paths between zones are retarded..
maiden ravine
my warrior is a gnome. Looking forward to a vulpera dk eventually
sinful trout
Hey all, quick one vers or crit for DPS m+ build for the second missive.
solar crown
Hm, when you swap covenant you start from scratch, right?
So all the dailys etc are gone?
lucid dew
wait so is azerite still better than new gear unless its super high
it looks like there is a lot more str stam
insteads of secondary
maiden ravine
based on others, it's about 15 ilvls over your azerite that new gear with secondaries begins to sim better for dps
lucid dew
ah thanks
steel mauve
typically when ever you get more strength from your gear is when they become better thanm the azerite gear
novel temple
man
even after getting a m0 shield
i feel so weak and pathetic
like start of bfa was fine
legion was different because ignore pain was broken af
wod was fine too in the beginning as well
but a 16 second CD on shield block?
jade raptor
Hey everyone I thought perhaps I would wait it out a week after the launch to get some reviews, how has tanking been because I finally wish to drop the two hand weapon and pick up my shield.
solar crown
Havent had any problems so far/in m0, but i do get what rollyson is saying regarding shield block uptime.
Im actually more frustrated with the target cap, as i still pull to many on autopilot. Thats not warrior-spesific though
jade raptor
I was playing as prot a little bit at the pre release of shadowlands but I was running in armor that was set to Fury. I'm more or less going to go Kyrian since I can have the best of both worlds. (Eying Night Fae wishing to be a fairy)
solar crown
I've been a Bdk main forever, so its refreshing to play something that mitigates damage taken.
I found sprear + ravager to be very nice, and bolster helps out with the sb uptime
Im still not sure if me playing warrior is gonna cut it in certain dungeons in higher m+ though. Feels like certain dungs are just way to much magic damage. Those who know the warrior better should give their 2cents on that
mellow patio
Most magic damage in dungeons is interruptible or avoidable
Prot scales really well into higher keys because block is the best mitigation blizzard could draw up. Uptime might be an issue when you get up there but there’s not a tank right now that doesn’t have its weaknesses as content scales.
solar crown
Allright :) thanks for clearing it up
maiden ravine
RIP, I'm using an agility sword cause it's 40 ilvls higher
sweet summit
idk if thats worth it chief
trim trench
The greatest issue I've had so far was losing threat on big pulls
maiden ravine
it is, damage and ignore pain scale off more of weapon dps than it does the 18 points of strength
trim trench
Been a bear tank mostly so I'm still not used to use avatar-demo on pull
I've liked ravager as well. I'll have to get a feel for it
Also, ranged interrupts. There's a 4 casters pack in Necrotic Wake, I wanted to be a paladin there
Other than that, feels fine. Even when picking a trash covenant (Venthyr) for protection warrior.
cyan shore
Do you guys ever use whirlwind?
sweet summit
no
novel temple
same with what leffa said, I wasn't gonna get into the target cap though.
and nope, only revenge
lower rage cost and higher damage
but i think whirlwind might not be capped
nvm
sweet summit
and applies DW, and has a chance to reset SS CD
novel temple
i cant read
sweet summit
yah ww is useless
novel temple
yeah, only time ive used it has been in torghast when i get the whirlwind procs on shield slam anima power
agile stag
Is it possible to clear thorgas as prot or do i need to play as arms
sweet summit
prot is easier
agile stag
Ok good to hear that
agile stag
Big!
novel temple
now that is something ill play my warrior on
torghast
im trying to find someone that'll let me boost one of their second accounts so i can film it and submit it to phoenix
sweet summit
u can boost me :v)
sweet summit
EU
novel temple
rip, there goes my free money investment
sweet summit
novel temple
though torghast scales with additonal people in it, right?
sweet summit
yeah
novel temple
ok, i couldnt find it on the wowhead stuff and wanted confirmation
astral barn
What's everyone's stance on the Inscrutable Quantum Device to tank with? I got it from myth and it gives me either 568 vers, haste or mastery every 3 minutes - which is a LOT
chilly brook
Tbh
It's only because people have a weird "muh utility" stick stuck up their bums
Otherwise we'd just double pally
But not like it matters cuz warrior is fun af
Also am proud to say I made a whole group sit through a 7 minute meuhzala fight because they all died at the start and I was too stubborn to jump off
astral barn
So I am trying different things. It seems to only ever roll either your highest or second highest secondary stat. It's 17% Haste, 24% Mastery or 14% Vers.
novel temple
wait, how'd you live for 7 minutes on muehzala @chilly brook
chilly brook
He doesnt really do damage outside of his tank buster dot
novel temple
also, you could just go monk instead of double pally
chilly brook
Monk is gross
novel temple
and you did it as a warrior?
chilly brook
Yee
slim garden
ye ravager bolster is pog
chilly brook
And tons of rage
slim garden
combine with spear and u got some rly nice rage regen in aoe
novel temple
wouldnt you just stagger it unless youre bursting the aoe?
chilly brook
Depends
Most of the time you can yolo and you'll have something back up for next pack
Since they're desynced CDs anyways
lavish oracle
Depends on how long you think the pull is gonna live + If you need snap threat for the next pull
lavish oracle
Throw Dragon roar in the mix though and I wouldn't even worry about it
novel temple
oh yeah
chilly brook
I'm running DR/Rav/Bolster
novel temple
you would go DR if you go ravager bolster too huh
so snap threat probably wouldnt be a problem
chilly brook
Well you can definitely go BV/Rav/Bolster
And you very well might do so with TGV
But without TGV I'm just running DR since it's fun and getting the rare 5-7k crit on it is great
novel temple
i honestly never switched and tried out dr/rav/bolster yet
ill try it for the last few mythics ive got
oh
lavish oracle
Yeah, I'll def swap to BV when I have TGV
chilly brook
I've gotta find a group to slowly drag my scrub ass warrior through some m0s
novel temple
might wanna spam heroics
chilly brook
My DK lucked out this week
novel temple
ive been noticing groups are starting to require 160+
chilly brook
177 after doing all the dungeons
strong forum
I'm running BV rav AM, I don't wanna play UF
I would miss out on that juicy revenge spam during ravager
lavish oracle
I ran m0s in 140 gear with a bunch of fresh 60 friends, They're pretty easy
strong forum
That's big meme play
chilly brook
It was fun on beta
lavish oracle
I've just been going the generics, honestly. their damage is so overtuned
jade raptor
So I decided to side with the Kyrian. First thing I do is I continuously clicked on Kyrestia the Archon and right about the 4th line she threatened to ban me from Bastion and throw me off the edge of the clouds.
lavish oracle
Corruption Tentacle routinely carrying me on ST damage
strong forum
Powerful
chilly brook
I gotta think the generic powers being really powerful is on purpose
ionic fern
Wait, when did they nerf it to 30%? Wasn't it 40? 👀
ionic fern
strong forum
Hmm..
chilly brook
📈
novel temple
i'm reading 40% too
if only the signet would change from bladestorm to ravager
then youd be able to pipe
neat dirge
can you get legendary from "normal" halls of aspire?
ionic fern
Yes
novel temple
that reduced huh
neat dirge
ait cool
fallow zealot
what is best covenant for prot ?
novel temple
mostly kyrian
prisma gorge
i am satisfied with necrolords
on last tier with hammersmith upgrade it will be really fun in m+s
solar crown
anyone know what the potions are for on doctor ickus (plaguefall)? We filled the kettles with stuff but it doesnt lookt to have any effect on the bossfight itself
prisma gorge
torgast so low for prot warriors, even without anima powers, just facerolling the way through
novel temple
YEAH
thats how i felt
like i went in with 130-140 gear and jsut massed pulled
till like 1 death in i think soulforges on layer 3
pure silo
is there a 190 boe weapon for prot ? can't see any with strenght
novel temple
nope, just the shields
somber arrow
Which let me just say
Thank god. Being stuck with trash block value at start of bfa was brutal
Cheap 190 Shields go a long way
somber arrow
Possible, but I’m guessing it was prohibitively expensive or I’d have picked it up
So again, cheap good starter shield is neato
prisma gorge
Do you guys also get vast majority of trash in torghast as casters?
strong forum
is there a 190 boe weapon for prot ? can't see any with strenght
Waste of money, you can get way better weapons in 2 weeks from heroic week
Boes are literally useless in 2 weeks, do 👏 not 👏 bother 👏 unless you're fucking loaded with gold
jagged pier
not useless good to make gold I made 200k from them yesterday alone thats funded my pots and flasks XD
half rampart
I tried swapping over to BV from DR to try and get myself in the mood for crafting Thunderlord asap but its not feeling as snappy. Should I stick with it or is it fine to go DR/Rav/Bolster with another leggo
jagged pier
well DR took a pretty heavy nerf, so BV is the go to talent
half rampart
I was on DR and now on BV and BV feels not as good
jagged pier
yes I under stood that, but you should stick with bv its the better talent now after the dr nerf, plus thunderlords is our best leggo for m+ and that makes bv even better, and you cant get the wall out other good leggo till the raid comes out anyway
half rampart
So right now its just a grunt and bear with it till Thunderlord becomes available?
lavish oracle
I mean, I'm running DR right now, feels fine
jagged pier
I mean Im personally not having an issue with bv right now
lavish oracle
you can just run DR until TGV is available
that's what I'm doing
I'll probably try DR with The Wall at some point too just because I agree that I like the way Dragon Roar feels
half rampart
Yeah I prefer DR/Rav/Bolster feeling atm but all im seeing is "Run Thunderlord with BV/UF/AM" and I dont really want to play something less fun if its not going to be that big a loss
jagged pier
Run Thunderlord with BV/UF/AM is wrong it would be BV/Rav/bolster
lavish oracle
^
half rampart
Oh I was going off the WoWhead guide which said
In AoE situations, when using the standard setup of Booming Voice/ Unstoppable Force/ Anger Management, this Legendary increases your Demoralizing Shout uptime from ~17% to an average of ~40%. That's terrific, but it does require both being in AoE and using that specific talent setup. If you are not using Booming Voice, then this bonus is essentially pointless. If you are not using the other two talents, then this bonus winds up being considerably weaker,
jagged pier
Mwahi typing
ionic fern
I mean, it's not WRONG to run UF/AM with Thunderlord. There's a obvious synergy there. The question is would the small amount of DS uptime lost by not running UF/AM outweight the defensive benefit of running Bolster/Ravager.
half rampart
Understood o7
lavish oracle
Yeah, you lose a lot of block uptime for that
half rampart
Also whats the mood on Punish vs Devastator. I keep feeling like I have "empty" GCDs with Devastator on, but weaving in a regular Devastate hit with Punish active feels a bit clunky but the chunky Shield Slams and the dmg reduction feel nice.
Im trying alot of these combos out and finding stuff I do and dont like about each choice and having trouble settling on a single choice
lavish oracle
I'm running war machine, 'cause fuck it
I hate not having filler
if it ever feels like it's getting me killed, I'll swap
jagged pier
lavish oracle
if I wanted emtpy GCDs, I woulda played DK
pure silo
devastator procs less now compared to prepatch, because of the haste loss, but I think it will be back as we get more haste
half rampart
Ah okay thats what it was because yeah it felt like I was getting less procs
leaden steeple
hey, im new to tanking. why do I keep losing aggro all the time? I have the rotation down and i clap and taunt the mobs constantly but they are more interested in my team mates
pure silo
a better weapon would be the first step, if you have one < 151 you can get a crafted one
leaden steeple
ah I only have ilvl 102 weapons atm
sweet summit
clap isnt big dam anymore so revenge is your aoe spender/aggro keeper
gentle wagon
Pvp weps are easy to get, 171ilvl cap which takes 1hr of bgs
prisma gorge
you guys any idea why i am getting arms legends as prot spec? i literally never turned on any other spec than prot on retail
ionic fern
That's just how it is.
Not all legendaries drop from the same places.
So that's a arms legendary drop place so you got it.
prisma gorge
but i want TGV 😦
sweet summit
go farm spires then
sweet summit
🔬
pliant sage
So I have to wait till raid to get The Wall, cool
strong forum
Conduits and legendaries drop regardless of lootspec, they are from specific locations so you just get everything.
golden violet
Am i doing something wrong? i feel super squishy in even just heroic
strong forum
Highly likely that you're doing something wrong
Cuz I felt no danger ever in M0s, often my healer doesn't even need to heal me
golden violet
thats good, that i can fix, i was just grasped by a feeling my choice of main wasnt a vaiable pick
strong forum
You shouldn't feel like that on any spec on those low difficulties
Maybe on +17s that starts to surface
But not before that
golden violet
that is what had me worried, it felt too difficult too early
strong forum
If you're struggling before high m+, it's 100% a player issue
And luckily, you can always fix those
pliant sage
It doesn't have to be you either. Lots of Dps and healers are still learning the dungeons, mechanics matter etc
strong forum
I would first start looking at myself first and foremost, because once you know that you're doing everything correctly, it's easier to figure out what's going wrong
But yes, shit dps and healers are a consideration to be had aswell
But that's very easy to figure out imo
civic raft
jolly gyro
are you guys using devestator? Most of the time I stand there with nothing up to use and just need to w8 for Autohits
buoyant patrol
Using devastator and I almost always have something to press
ionic fern
You will have some empty globals but not that much.
steep wraith
I'm looking forward to doing some big pulls with signet and last stand conduit. So much rage.
kindred crypt
Hey, are there any good tank trinkets?
sweet summit
hakkar one
buoyant patrol
Still don’t have my hands on it but Hakkar looks really good
astral crystal
the anima emitter is pretty good too, procs really often
kindred crypt
thank you all :3
narrow karma
How easy is it to see Pelagos’ orbs? I don’t wanna have to actively scan for them all the time. Is it obvious? Is it annoying?
strong forum
It's like 1-2 sidesteps
You can see them, but that depends on how hard you tunnel Vision
worthy ingot
Spell Reflect on Globgrog is some no joke damage, good to be a warrior
cosmic canyon
Anima Field Emitter
Viscera of Coalesced Hatred
^^ bis for us from dungeons?
haven't had a time to look from Castle yet
trinkets
then there is the "Pulsating Stoneheart" but the slow really sucks
open monolith
Hakkar trinket is bis
narrow karma
You can see them, but that depends on how hard you tunnel Vision
Thanks!
cosmic canyon
Blood-Spattered Scale
So, hakkar & haste one then
I guess
what's uptime on the haste from "Anima Field Emitter" ?
open monolith
darkmoon voracity if you want to have 2 on-use trinkets 😦
narrow karma
Is First Strike from Korayn considered at all? Everything I read says Face your Foes is the best choice.
Opening up with heroic throw guarantees the crit
open monolith
@cosmic canyon what ability can you spell reflect onto globgrog?
narrow karma
For snap rage right?
cosmic canyon
3:36 PM] Panzerkuh: Spell Reflect on Globgrog is some no joke damage, good to be a warrior
wasnt me
open monolith
im retarded
open monolith
@worthy ingot what spell can you reflect against globgrog?
worthy ingot
the dot from his stomp, you'll get punted but it was 17% of my damage on the fight
open monolith
holy shit. I never would have thought you could reflect an AOE stomp
the debilitating plague part can be reflected. Crazy
that's super good to know
cosmic canyon
what's the name of the spell? just for my memory
worthy ingot
Plaguestomp
cosmic canyon
Sock, you can reflect the AOE vortex from the slimes in Mechagon too.
thanks panzer
open monolith
huh. Never knew that.
worthy ingot
reflects the Debilitating Plague dot that he would apply
open monolith
I imagine haste on everything
cosmic canyon
other?
astral crystal
isnt chest best enchant 20 stats?
cosmic canyon
yeah defo sock 😄
20 stats and 25 armor one?
or 30 to all stats?
cloak one? 20sta/leech?
gloves 15 strength?
what's the best weapon enchant?
Celestial guidance?
astral crystal
didnt even know there was a 30 to all stats 😎
open monolith
anyone know where to buy the various profession journals that give +5 skill?
cosmic canyon
Man, my neck from BFA will probably be used for some time... 135 secondary stats, idk what iL you need to top that on the SL necks
open monolith
nvm - they appear to be random drops from mobs everywhere
cosmic canyon
nvm
https://www.wowhead.com/item=178827/sin-stained-pendant?bonus=6807:1498 mythic one already beats the bfa neck
open monolith
I stopped wearing my BFA neck the moment I got an ilvl 110 from the icecrown rares
mostly because I needed to feel how the class played without any azerite traits
narrow karma
@strong forum Am I crazy for thinking about going First Strike instead of Face Your Foes? Opening with heroic throw guarantees the crit rating at the start of each pull for that sweet extra snap threat? Is it only not chosen because it’s value falls off after the pull?
open monolith
@strong forum is that just a legendary base piece?
candid ledge
Hi all, about my warrior alt, NF seems to be the best if I want to focus on protection and fury?
coral chasm
Picked up an indom trinket cheap, the shield isnt the worst thing tbh if you guys were on the fence
narrow karma
Hi all, about my warrior alt, NF seems to be the best if I want to focus on prot...
Yes I believe so. I’m stuck between Niya and Korayn for the same decision
sweet summit
open monolith
"Hey man, you wanna go check out Hot Topic?"
"Yeah!"
-A Necrolord and Venthyr conversation
"Hey man, you ever feel like... deep down inside you're actually an animal? You ever wanna like.... BE an animal?"
"Yeah!"
-A Night Fae conversation
candid ledge
Just want the most viable for both specs, mainly m+. Kyrian is also good it seems
narrow karma
Is Show of force really the second best potency conduit?
open monolith
the % difference in choosing NF vs Kyrian for m+ is super negligible.
sweet summit
korayn seems to be the best option
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> is that just a legendary base piece?
Just a regular blue
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Am I crazy for thinking about going First Strike instead o...
I don't know what you're talking about sorry, I assume some conduit you get later down in the soulbind tree somewhere?
Ah I see it
narrow karma
I don't know what you're talking about sorry, I assume some conduit you get late...
Yes
strong forum
Months away down in korayn tree
narrow karma
Yes
strong forum
It's because of the potency conduit I reckon
Because you decide between a potency and endurance conduit to get there
narrow karma
Show of Force the second potency for us?
strong forum
I personally would only use 1 potency
Face your foes is a better conduit for defensive play
That's why it's picked
Having 100% uptime on 2% DR is quite strong
narrow karma
Right, but if you did use a second, what would it be? And yes, I understand that one is offensive and one is defensive
Finally heading back home today and can actually play
strong forum
I would go like this
If I had to choose a 2nd potency, I would probably use ashen juggernaut
For those juicy executes on bosses
I really really hate show of force
dense cliff
Is the Echos of Eonar legendary viable for Prot? Wondering if there is a legendary that is good for both Prot and arms
narrow karma
I suppose it would only help with new pulls but in M+ that could be pretty impactful
strong forum
It's less DR
And in high keys you build more defensively
Simple as
For general use, you can do as you please obv
narrow karma
True
torn knoll
anyone know the drop rate for memory of the thunderlord leggo and is it less for normal?
open monolith
no idea if it is different by difficulty
but I can tell you that it doesn't fucking exist
and everyone who already got it did so by sacrificing someone's first born to a pagan god
worthy ingot
15% haste bois, on the way back to beast mode
inland garnet
any nut rocking Venthyr for prot?
torn gulch
yes the ones playing dps main
inland garnet
does it feel okay at least?
I am just about to select cov and liked the Venthyr story/xmog over Kyrian
open monolith
Against a single target? Sure, it feels okay-ish
against a lot of targets? you might as well not even have a covenant ability
open monolith
It's o k a y against a single target since it is actually somewhat on par with ignore pain
but it is absolutely dogshit against multiple targets
torn gulch
open monolith
if you intend to be a DPS main, you will be fine taking it
but if you intend to main prot, I'd recommend not taking it
since Spear is still good for fury and arms
it's not even very far behind condemn
but if you just like venthyr plot and armor, go for it
torn gulch
i heard spear is very interesting in pve
restive flax
quick question, is anyone else having troubles getting thunderlords?
open monolith
tiny % increases in performance aren't worth being miserable
torn gulch
it's not really dropping yeah
restive flax
I went to spires like 25 times and still didnt get it
restive flax
fkin stupid
torn gulch
fun times
restive flax
I saw it drop two times for other warriors
torn gulch
you can target your legos they said
restive flax
yup
torn gulch
i shudder to think
restive flax
what I thought
open monolith
I mean, they aren't lying. You can definitely target them. Just like you can target a fly with a glock at 100 yds
open monolith
Wall lego comes from 3rd boss of raid
restive flax
I think raid legos have 100%
open monolith
the more repeatable the content, the lower the drop rate
torn gulch
that's world bosses legos
open monolith
so dungeon legendaries are super small
World Bosses are 100%
raids are probably somewhere in the middle
torn gulch
raids might not be 100%
restive flax
that would be dumb as fuck
restive flax
but then again... blizzard Pepega
primal narwhal
Gotta make the content longer
restive flax
I'm not sure how long I can endure Spires though
restive flax
By far the most annoying dungeon of them all
open monolith
Look, I still prefer this to getting Sephusz and the shield necklace
at least I can go after it
restive flax
Kappa
worthy ingot
I hope The Wall is 100% drop rate, my raid lead is demanding showing up with a rank 1 legendary for heroic week so it's already going to put my rank 4 wall behind a week ><
open monolith
Well if your raid lead demands that you show up for something that isn't a 100% drop
then your raid lead sounds like a piece of human garbage
torn gulch
you have to explain to him
restive flax
do you guys know if normal / hc / myxthic droprate of legos differs?
worthy ingot
oh no I have to show up with a leggo, so I'm gonna have to run raid with Thunder or something
torn gulch
that both best legos
sweet summit
my raid lead is demanding showing up with a rank 1 legendary for heroic week
what
the
fuck
?
open monolith
lol your raid leader sounds like a piece of shit LMAO
torn gulch
are behind less than 100% drop rates
worthy ingot
because they play shaman and get to use an honor lego everyone else should also be able to show up with a lego FML
open monolith
one of those small-dick-energy neck-beards who wants to run his guild like a mythic world progress guild even though he is terrible
sweet summit
he is dumb 👀
torn gulch
to craft legos
restive flax
just get leaper from the honor vendor LUL
torn gulch
wnd then be a frog
open monolith
yeeeeeee
open monolith
think about all the rage you'll gain by leaping out and charging back in!
but seriously fuck your raid leader 🙂
imagine taking heroic raiding seriously L O L E
restive flax
anyways, going back to the bright af hell that is spires of ascension
vocal flame
anyone have any other build without using devistator thats good? i feel like im just sitting there getting beat up sometimes
restive flax
see you around
open monolith
Sure
torn gulch
well there is no haste
torn gulch
undeadwar
open monolith
???
vocal flame
yeah im at like 10% haste now with the gear i have, just getting into mythics
restive flax
I use devastator and dont get beat up
mortal mountain
if you like button spamming just take the middle row talent or the other for add contet
restive flax
weird
torn gulch
yeah i do not have problems
mortal mountain
or dont waste all your rage
open monolith
Devastator is like.. objectively better than anything else on the row for rage.
wooden heath
trying to get my self sorted after coming back I see that we run ravager an d bolster now, but what about tier 1? is devastator still king?
restive flax
its pretty damn good yes
torn gulch
for rage gain it is still very good
vocal flame
mm idk ill sometimes go a few auto attacks with nothing
open monolith
bolster is the go-to defensive option for really high keys when you ABSOLUTELY NEED more shield block up time
vocal flame
with TC on cooldown im like uhhhhh
open monolith
Anger Management is still great for a more offensive, low-key dungeon build
open monolith
Ravager is great for rage and damage, UF is definitely still useable, especially with Thunderlord legendary next week
Bolster is great
so is AM
open monolith
my point is: don't read a guide or a post and think "welp that's 100% my choice! I will pick this all the time!"
open monolith
Takes a bit more thought than that
restive flax
am a bolster man
torn gulch
i like both
i don't like playing with 9% haste
we need 23% for 3sb back to back right?
open monolith
I'm probably gonna run BV, UF, AM for anything under M+10, depending on the gear i get from my 2 mythic world tours
I'll only go bolster if I'm feeling REAL bad
or if I NEVER GET MY FREAKING THUNDERLORD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
torn gulch
that will be sad
open monolith
I don't think I trust the wowhead drop rate
I'm guessing salty people are more likely to go record every time they DONT get it than happy people are to go record when they DO get it
is that data reliant on manual reporting, or is it scraped?
jagged pier
I got my thunderlord yesterday took me about 20 runs
open monolith
looked it up, it's manual
so that data is likely very skewed
I've done 15 runs and no drop
I'll be doing more tonight and tomorrow
jagged pier
I mean tbf anything is really 50/50 it ither drops or it doesnt
open monolith
so true
I'm gonna become a douchebag soon, though
and start leaving after that boss
jagged pier
I mean feel for the monks their best one is form the last boss in sanguine depths
restive flax
Sanguine Depths is so much cooler than spires though
open monolith
oh no.
someone made a weak aura that counts how often you try to mount in the maw
I feel personally attacked
restive flax
LUL
opaque hearth
Thunderlord on boots and Wall on Shoulder is still the recommended?
open monolith
boots or gloves
sweet summit
yes sarris
open monolith
I think i'd rather do gloves
since 2 different pairs of haste boots drop in raid, but only 1 pair of gloves.
opaque hearth
Thank you
prime edge
Can you really do Heroic Instances only once everyday?
sweet summit
yep
vocal flame
whaaaat????
open monolith
you can do them repeatedly via the group finder
you can only SPECIFICALLY queue for them once a day
sweet summit
yeah that ^
open monolith
it has been this way since 2008
steel mauve
its been like that since group finder came out and heroic lockouts before that
prime edge
Even if you do random HC instance via Q? @sweet summit
sweet summit
read up a bit
open monolith
....what did I just say lol
steel mauve
random heroic queues allow you to loot dungeons again
prime edge
aright, well hmm thats atleast something!
steel mauve
this hasnt been changed for several expansions
opaque hearth
do youexpect the price of Enchanted Elethium bars to go up Tuesday when the "normies" figures out they need a legendary? the price is 9k per bar on my server, im wondering if i should buy it now
open monolith
The price of everything legendary related is going to explode on Tuesday
buy your shit now.
storm briar
been relearning prot. Is there any reason to use WW in this spec?
open monolith
no
steel mauve
no
storm briar
haha was afraid of that, thanks
dense pivot
9k per bar? god damn
open monolith
it's just like shield block and shield slam being base warrior abilities
opaque hearth
it was 20k yesterday
raven dove
how are people target farming it? Just forming groups and resetting normal diff? Can only do heroic and mythic once a day and get loot yeah?
opaque hearth
i spammed normal spires
restive flax
mate I did spires like 25 times today
north topaz
what do you guys think is the best pvp trinket for tanking?
opaque hearth
just que for specific
restive flax
Not sure what you mean, I just queue for Spires normal over and over
solemn helm
que specific spire normal and gg
raven dove
oh i derped
vocal flame
dont you only get the chance of loot once?
restive flax
only for hc
raven dove
no that's only for heroic
restive flax
normal is unlimited
raven dove
I was thinking you could only specific queue once a day
but that's also heroic
I was just being stupid
solemn helm
actually one day i queued random hc after being locked in spire
vocal flame
wonder if the drop chance is lower in normal
solemn helm
and i dropped things even the 2nd time
restive flax
Spires of Ascension does that to you mate, no worries
solemn helm
bis trinket for dungeon?
restive flax
hakkar prolly
restive flax
yeah I have that too
solemn helm
and one strengh + heal on damage
restive flax
but thats going to be bad for m+ later
restive flax
The Hakkar trinket is really nice
solemn helm
dont have yet :p
restive flax
I'm just answering your question from before 😄
modern brook
Its happening again guys
restive flax
cries in necrolord
solemn helm
ahahaha
vocal flame
what talents you rocking bull?
modern brook
crackling is actually bounding stride
but i think crackling is the more correct choice for dungeons
im just also doing world content
vocal flame
interesting i think ill try that out, thank you
granite cloud
evidently daggers do not count as one handed melee weapons for the pupose of revenge
restive flax
letter openers =/= weapon
dire kiln
I managed to keep better sustained dmg using AM UF combo, but its only m0
still pagoda
but i think crackling is the more correct choice for dungeons
Depends on the week and key levels
I would take bounding stride over crackling any time i do lower key speed farming
sweet summit
id argue its prefrence
still pagoda
Kinda like with diablo 3 and all the monk sweeping wind builds
mental scarab
Bounding stride for some mobility easy
vocal flame
omg im upgrading gear but haste down to 6%
restive flax
oof
vocal flame
its sooo bad
dense pivot
🦥
vocal flame
every peice has been 20 levels higher but im losing 40 haste on each lol
dire kiln
id argue its prefrence
ikr, i just feel a bit tankier with AM UF build
open monolith
AM UF is for big clappers
you know that thing people do during the sports?
stomp stomp clap?
that's AM UF
sweet summit
no i meant BS vs CT
prime dagger
Does prot has something to increase armor like druid or paladin? Or he it reliant on block chance?
sweet summit
no, we're reliant on 100% block chance :)
topaz cove
Apart from mastery that gives 100% of our str as armour?
sweet summit
thats not mastery, thats a passive ability called vanguard
our mastery is critical block chance
keen hearth
erga can i have your blessing for thunderlord
keen hearth
been here ty ❤️
keen hearth
been here 25 times*
sweet summit
its time
sweet summit
trust
opaque hearth
g yo
opaque hearth
good luck
slim garden
whats our "BiS" dungeon trinkets that we can get our hands to?
restive flax
the hakkar one is pretty dope
other than that... the haste proc trinket by oryphrion is great for fights where you dont have to move
slim garden
ah ty.
i found something weird about [Bladedancer's Armor Kit] it says it will give 205 armor (mythic version) but it only give like 60...
sweet summit
that one is dog shit
slim garden
y
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Anyone started farming, or thinking about starting farming for TGV recipe yet?
sweet summit
lots of people are
slim garden
says it does 62 damage. and i looked after a dungeon run. the biggest hit was 42..
sweet summit
the best use for that trinket is probably to vendor it asap
restive flax
^
obtuse scaffold
So... if I go venthyr cuz I just like the look and feel better. Am I gonna be useless tanking. I keep checking icy veins and YouTube. And its pretty down on it. But ill play fury more ans whirlwind condemn is cool as heck. Spear just feels kinda lackluster...
sweet summit
useless? no
restive flax
Mate I'm Necrolord and I'm confident that I'm going to blast through everything
😄
And as far as I can tell Venthyr is better for Prot than Necro
sweet summit
not in dungeons
obtuse scaffold
Ok ok! That's good to hear. I'm doing adventure on warrior. And spear just feels meh. To me. Plus venthyr has cooler mount.
restive flax
What does Necro do better in dungeons than venthyr that isnt timeconsuming?
I have been using fleshcraft before strong packs in m0 but is that going to be a thing on m+?
sweet summit
buffing your dps players
restive flax
ok well.
obtuse scaffold
Thats true.
restive flax
10% crit is something I guess
obtuse scaffold
Right on. Well I'm gonna swap to venthry for a zone atleast and see what it feels like. I assume we don't use ignore lain during condemn windows as its similar rage to mitigation ratio. ~70% the same
worthy ingot
the struggle is real
sweet summit
in m+ you wanna use IP, as condemn is only against the target you condemned
granite cloud
What covenant are y'all going for ?
keen hearth
erga blessing has 48 hour cooldown f
civic rover
necrolord
restive flax
☠️
civic rover
but if you care about picking the best covenant dont go necrolord
sweet summit
👼
restive flax
Necrolords are the best at looking cool though
obtuse scaffold
Oh makes sense. Good call
civic rover
maldraxxus is the best warrior zone
but necrolord soulbinds and abilities kinda trash
obtuse scaffold
Maybe we will get a buff to make the defensive aoe. Then it would seem pretty good for prot maybe
Thanks guys. I'm sure you get asked this crap alot.
civic rover
i think emeni is okay but the plague doctor and blacksmith guy are pretty.. errr.
sweet summit
would be a lot more attractive then
worthy ingot
The thorns soulsbind did a respectable amount of damage before, not sure about post nerf
restive flax
I just hope they strap the banner to my back
And maybe give it the aoe damage proc whenever you get glory
that torghast upgrade feels very neat
obtuse scaffold
Yeah hopefully some tuning comes in still
restive flax
not sure tuning numbers for the banner is going to change how shitty it is to use
civic rover
well emenis final slot in the middle is a stacking haste buff whenever you kill something so in M+ thats pretty good
flat nymph
Was I super lucky to get Thunderlord in my first m0 run or is the drop chance increases on m0s?
dense pivot
should be increased
grand drum
Yes you are lucky
compact stump
It’s increased, but still super lucky
The covenant gear feels largely cosmetic. Is there anything I don’t know that changes that?
flat nymph
True thats weird and very uncharacteristic of my luck history lol
compact stump
Feels like gearing will outpace the renown gating on upgrading it to reasonable ilvl
flat nymph
Nah you'll outgear it probably always
dense pivot
yeah maybe it's just for alts/more casual players
compact stump
That’s true
flat nymph
The reknown time gating will be slower than raiding
compact stump
Should help alts a lot
Aside from a belt, I’m capped till Nathria
I forget where I saw I get a good belt but I remember not caring enough to run it
mellow plover
compact stump
Yea
compact stump
I did a bit as fury but I just steam roll it as prot
dense pivot
I did it as fury and arms
flat nymph
Nice im close too haha
But side note; warrior feels fucking fantastic right now, am I wrong?
I heard so much doom and gloom about it being the worst but it feels crazy good right now
dense pivot
but saw veng dh can speed run it skipping every mob except last one
flat nymph
I did it as protection no problem
civic rover
all the tanks are really good rn
compact stump
I had 100k hp when I did it earlier for the covenant daily lol
civic rover
the "tier list" is literally just DH/Pala>everything else solely because DH and Pala do ridiculous dps
dense pivot
took rats hp?
compact stump
Then the ignore pain anima that makes it absorb an additional 10% of my hp made me a god
Yea, it was the anima walking in got me
I would normally avoid mawrat anima
civic rover
i managed to get three of the bonus haste ones
strong forum
mawrat explosion is 👌
civic rover
lmao im necrolord and one of them makes mawrats give huge shield numbers for fleshcraft
flat nymph
Playing prot through it i just took every st damage increase I could and it was ez clap
compact stump
Yup
civic rover
was legit walking around with a 35k shield the entire time
and people say necrolord sucks 
compact stump
People get hardstuck on perceived meta
civic rover
lol i used to be in a M+ LFG/LFT discord and in season 4 there was a ton of 1500-2k io groups saying "LF prot warrior"
flat nymph
From what I've seen the difference is so marginal you can do all content with any covenant, bar maybe mythic progression
civic rover
nah even CE will be easily obtainable with any covenant
strong forum
even in mythic progression
ionic fern
You can do all content without even picking a Covenant. 🙂
strong forum
it wont hold you back
compact stump
Outside of like bleeding edge progression I think anything works
civic rover
if you're not world top 50/doing bleeding edge keys it won't affect you really.
strong forum
even there it would work, its just suboptimal
flat nymph
Ya as soon as something is posted as a "tier list" people go nuts
sweet summit
even top 50 is a bit low for that to affect it
civic rover
tier lists for tanks are generally doing more harm than good
compact stump
Good players will forever be good players, regardless of covenant choice
civic rover
because there's not much to make a tier list of, especially when I see raid tier lists
flat nymph
However I've had 0 issues getting into pugs and being invited back consistently
keen hearth
almost switched to pally or dh bc of tier lists then i realized they are not fun
cosmic canyon
is there any 'world boss' in SL so far?
strong forum
or ykno, people would decide for themselves what they want to play
instead of being told what to play
compact stump
I always level 3 characters every new xpac right off the bat, one for each role. Prot warr, hunter, and priest are my three this time round
civic rover
i exclusively tank besides the ocassional unholy key
keen hearth
im so used to tiers actually existing so hard in most other games i play it feels like sacrilege to not listen tbh its a terribly habit
flat nymph
I'll stick with my prot warrior through good times and bad
strong forum
i dont recall a single game where tier lists actually are as much of a thing as in wow
civic rover
thing people need to realize is
keen hearth
i would say in most fighting games tiers are a giant deal
flat nymph
LoL is the worst for it in my experience. Community is super toxic hahaa
civic rover
if they're tanking and dying or spiking a lot, rerolling isn't gonna change that
keen hearth
also LoL ya
steel mauve
tier lists are huge in mobas
strong forum
in mobas you can outskill so fucking much
civic rover
laughs in bard one trick
steel mauve
hots, smite, and lol all have them and people heavily favor them
strong forum
in lol you get 90% of your power from items so you can make anything work if youre just outright better
keen hearth
agreed that you can outskill but why hurt yourself by being worse 80% of the time with a trash char when you could be literally leagues better if you just play someone good
civic rover
in lol you get 90% of your power from items so you can make anything work if youre just outright better [2]
because unless you're like high diamond your champ isnt gonna be why you lose
i mained alistar in ardent meta and still climbed from silver 4 to plat 2 and im not good at lol
literally 90% of the game is just not greeding out and not taking unnecessary risks, and only taking fights you know you will win
strong forum
if tierlists are so amazing, why is there literally people playing random characters in random rolls on challenger
makes no sense
civic rover
exactly
flat nymph
And in worlds for example someone picked tank rengar in the final regardless of him being dogshit tier lol
Has anyone played prot in bgs yet? I played it yesterday and it was quite funny
keen hearth
prot in bgs is sick imo
civic rover
tanks in bgs is fun lol
keen hearth
but i agree if you have top 1% of skill you can play anything. Unfortunately i can virtually guarantee not a single person in this discord could do that in LoL
civic rover
you can get challenger as any champ
keen hearth
it just depends on how much fun you really have min maxing vs playing something fun