very satisfying in random bgs at the moment 😄
#protection
restive flax
restive flax
yep
coral marsh
i never liked it when the talent that makes the filler passive is meta
it just feels weird
granite cloud
shadowlands prot feels like the prot warrior that i fell in love with years ago
compact stump
All the videos and shit said prot was bad
I’m having a fantastic time though
True warriors ride out the storm of early xpac
worthy ingot
Having had to fight multiple bosses already with a MIA healer and living, I say poopoo to all the prot haters
compact stump
Same
worthy ingot
Trash does slap a bit though with our haste :p
compact stump
Edging towards 180 and of all the runs, it’s never been my survival that’s held runs up
True
open monolith
I have not found a single person who thinks prot is bad
granite cloud
this is why i prefer to know my healers
compact stump
Bad being competitive to other tanks I figure
open monolith
yet I don't actually see anyone saying it
brittle owl
give it a patch
open monolith
it's like.. everyone is saying everyone is saying prot is bad, but nobody actually is
coral marsh
you dont miss actually doing aoe damage with thunderclapspam?
brittle owl
afterwards the inertia of bfa will wither away
empty nacelle
also people holding onto opinions made at the beginning of alpha/beta
coral marsh
clap spam was the only thing that made prot stand out
worthy ingot
RIp Clap, Long Live Revenge
empty nacelle
and spell reflect
ivory elbow
sanctum upgrades any idea what to go for
worthy ingot
Mission table seems the best payout, travel is nice for QoL
deep steppe
Spam revenge anyway, don’t wait for procs. That’s why we have healers 
ivory elbow
@deep steppe 
sick sentinel
Does anyone know if stored anima transfers if you switch covenants?
strong forum
I hated clap spam for the reason that everybody memed and said "just clap and win bro, 1 buttons tank"
Atleast now our dmg breakdown is blessed
And we're still beating dps on some pulls
coral marsh
i didnt even build travel to save anima
restive flax
Save anima for what? 🤔
glass sequoia
Any Venthyrs here? Are you guys using Condemn at all?
I've been using it in heroics for bosses and some trash packs, but it feels like I'm having to dump almost everything into IP
north dove
Kyrian ez pick for the potion alone
glass sequoia
haha I'm in the process of leveling a second warrior as Kyrian for prot/pvp
sweet summit
same 🙃
odd ridge
Can’t you just swap between covenants?
glass sequoia
glass sequoia
the xmog and campaign are gonna slap though
restive flax
I just picked Necrolord because they look cool
I can still do everything I want to atm
glass sequoia
I'm a DPS main so I kinda have to stick to condemn @odd ridge
restive flax
It would simply be much easier with any other covenant 😄
glass sequoia
I know kyrian is very close to condemn numerically, but it still feels garbage
sweet summit
I just really really like condemn as a dps raider
restive flax
Its about what you can use them for
glass sequoia
no I meant as a fury/arms warior @restive flax
restive flax
Oh
sweet summit
But as a m+ tank its dogshitstinkyass
restive flax
Yeah surely
glass sequoia
anything is better than condemn as prot
restive flax
nah 😄
glass sequoia
I would gladly take banner over condemn
restive flax
Necrolord isnt
restive flax
The Banner looks cool af, but it doesnt do anything
worthy ingot
I hope they don't nerf condemn and just try to make banner worth the gcd
restive flax
Honestly theres one Torghast upgrade that makes Banner fun
Whenever you gain glory the banner deals aoe damage
Do that and strap it to my back and we're golden
worthy ingot
How banner isn't an intervene target is beyond me
north pecan
So I was planning on maining brew, lvled it and did all 0s, then leveled prot war and damn war is sturdy
restive flax
Warrior is great yup
north pecan
Brew might be slightly higher on dps but damn war is sturdy
sweet summit
Always has been 👀
glass sequoia
warrior feels really nice right now, but I wonder how it will hold up going forward with scaling
there are a few mobs which even in heroic dungeons feels like chunks me, so I'm concerned for M+
north pecan
The 25s cd on spell reflect is major
restive flax
The bears in halls of atonement are horrifying
sweet summit
Uhhh scaling isnt a concern
north pecan
bears are easy
late wasp
Does Thunderlord not drop or something...Christ...
restive flax
^
sweet summit
Imean stop the cast then??
north dove
@glass sequoia warr has always been about physical mitigation and CD timing
restive flax
Hippy ofc you can avoid it
glass sequoia
Not the enrage, jsut the bleed alone can be nuts
restive flax
But its a little bit intense when your hunter does a 360° in the middle of the square pulling everything
glass sequoia
esp. if you try to pull two packs
restive flax
also what K2 said
north pecan
lol, I always do the first pull all the way to the first mini boss
glass sequoia
right side?
north pecan
ya
glass sequoia
how tf do u survive it
glass sequoia
ah ok
north pecan
use the wall as los
glass sequoia
I think SB is really valuable in halls because people dont know about loyal beasts
glass sequoia
yeah it's been rough man..
restive flax
can confirm.... 2 charges is too good
glass sequoia
but I have to use shockwave almost on CD beacuse people forget their cc abilities exist
what are your guys' preference for 45 tier?
UF feels good in those short windows without any risk of losing aggro
restive flax
Ravager atm
north pecan
Ravager is best, most rage
odd ridge
I hope they buff weaker covenants rather than nerf the viable ones
restive flax
^
north pecan
/cast [@player] ravager
glass sequoia
yeah I'm running ravager baseline and tried UF for a bit, but it doesn't feel good
north pecan
Then have another keybind for placing ravager
restive flax
I usually do /cast [@cursor] ravager
restive flax
sure
north dove
Does ravager give parry?
north dove
LOL
north pecan
No just alot of rage and damage
restive flax
^
north dove
dead talent
glass sequoia
the rage is invaluable
restive flax
rage is all you need
north dove
How much rage
north pecan
More than the rest
ionic fern
Why on earth would you call it a "dead talent" if you don't even know what it does?
north pecan
For higher keys
north dove
Per target?
odd ridge
Rage = free IP = stronger than parry I’m guessing
north pecan
you either need to have ravager or ancient off cds
restive flax
it just gives you rage everytime it deals damage
north pecan
and just go back to back for packs for em
restive flax
and aoe aggro which isnt easy to come by
glass sequoia
ancient? @north pecan
north dove
@ionic fern mainly trolling, don't get your panties in a bunch
north pecan
ancient aftershock
north dove
I haven't used ravager for the past 2 expacs
glass sequoia
what's benefit of NF over Kyrian?
ionic fern
🤔
north pecan
Kyrian ability by itself isnt good enough for aggro
restive flax
@glass sequoia its blue
north pecan
Ancient is
edgy patrol
Do we feel we’ll be seeing Prot warr in mythic raid? Or is pally supreme?
restive flax
You can play Warrior wherever you like mate
open monolith
Mwahi
north pecan
Also the knockdown is nice, ala its not a stun but will interupt all casts
open monolith
I hear you wrote the icyveins guide
odd ridge
NF is better for interrupting casts/CC and mobility and NF gives max hp buff during combat with one of the 3 choices
ionic fern
NF also provides you with more Rage/Damage in AoE situations if you can keep the enemies in there.
north pecan
Also prot transmog for the night fae is badass
glass sequoia
neck(rolord) yourself @restive flax
open monolith
the exception to the points above would be when you are close to Rage capping. In such situations you should use Ignore Pain to spend Rage even if it means going over the Ignore Pain cap.
@ionic fern - would it not be better to spend excess-about-to-cap-rage on Revenge, rather than wasting it on already-nearly-capped-Ignore Pain?
astral crystal
nightfae has a good cone nuke, their furry ability is kinda w/e imo
restive flax
I like my skullpeople K2 😄
edgy patrol
I spend all excess rage on condemn 
sue me
north pecan
I could see necro being good, if you use it as a minibeserk
glass sequoia
100% agree, best lore covenant, nothing else comes close @restive flax
north pecan
and triple quad pull for it
Ala a special comp built for it with fire mages and what not
glass sequoia
I just dump extra rage into revenge in between TCs
odd ridge
I feel necro has potential like if they reduced shield cd to 1 min all of a sudden it’s sorta bonkers good
north pecan
and honestly if I was gonna do a build like that I would use anger mana and uf
glass sequoia
with SoF conduit
north dove
Doesn't the Necro shield hit it's Max power when it draws from dead mobs?
It would feel awkward for boss fights
north pecan
It feels awkward chilling normally lol
north dove
Think a lot of people are under valueing the potion from Kyrian
north pecan
Its good, has it uses, night fae is useful for kiting
free blind when you need that necro reset
blink
open monolith
You know what's even better for kiting?
Not being a punk-ass-bitch and just tanking the mobs
north pecan
more mobility aint bad
open monolith
(this brought to you buy the never done higher than a +2 gang)
north dove
Haha
open monolith
(please note I am not part of that gang)
coral marsh
are there more followers to unlock already besides the one from thorgast and the basic one?
north dove
They require higher renown
open monolith
Why do you assume that is why everyone went Kyrian?
Maybe most people like the story / aesthetic?
Not everyone wants to be a mall-goth edge lord or furry.
open monolith
I went Kyrian, personally, because I enjoyed the way Spear of Bastion felt, and I REALLY wanted the Phial. Even if Kyrian Spear wasn't "best dps omfg metaaaaa" for prot, I would still pick it
north pecan
Kyrian is best for most classes
north pecan
Hell the only class you expect to have night fae now is like maybe prot war and droods
And considering how strong some of the dungeon shit is
Ya necro is fine, but you are bear instead and building for your 3 min pulls
north dove
Anyone gotten thunderlord memory yet?
torn gulch
playing at 8% haste as prot makes me go nuts
what shield block uptime do you guys achieve at your current haste levels
in dungeons especially
north dove
You're at 8% at 60?
torn gulch
and 170 ilvl
m0 items that dropped have meh stats
basically
i got an 185 haste/vers weapon and a 190 haste/vers shield
north dove
Could be worse 🙂
north dove
I was at 4% for a while haha
north dove
Just gotta be mindful of when and when not to use it
north dove
For sure
north dove
Either way it feels fine, I remember being a fresh 120 for bfa
torn gulch
then another 3 SB
north dove
Prot was brutal
north dove
defensive Azerite powers were a complete snooze fest
torn gulch
i still need to work on more SB uptime
north dove
Honestly with all the stuns, should only have to use it once maybe twice each trash pull
If you’re coordinating with your group
strong forum
I didn't look at SB uptime at all in M0s
Didn't even run bolster cuz it's not needed
Just go max dam
torn gulch
i'm a more defensive tank by mind
strong forum
I guess..
torn gulch
my mantra is that I need to do my job as a tank first then strive for more dps
compact stump
One thing I think is super helpful is a WA that tracks the uptime of SB and its interaction with Last Stand to prevent overlap
north dove
Nothing wrong with that, that’s our primary job
compact stump
I also like a rage checker that stops me from sitting on rage cap when it’s not intentional
strong forum
Tracking SB and looking at uptime are 2 different things
north dove
What’s rage cap? Never been there 😋
strong forum
I struggle with rage cap
Cuz BV + Ravager + Spear
That's alot of rage
alot of rage
north dove
Why waste them all on one pull? Lol
compact stump
Depends on the pull
strong forum
If you don't youre missing out on potential dmg
torn gulch
i do combine spear and ravager in big aoe
compact stump
And such low cool downs honestly
torn gulch
and especially with thunderlord
compact stump
Maximize those casts with prejudice
torn gulch
booming voice on top of it
strong forum
If you don't use them almost on CD, you're wasting alot of dmg
compact stump
You might stagger them a little
strong forum
You Demo(BV) - Avatar - Spear - Ravager
compact stump
But within Demo’d avatar, big numbers
north pecan
So you can skip the first quest for soul binds on alts like on beta
north dove
Don't think you get soul bind till 60
north dove
You can pick your covenant at 50, but I don't remember if you actually get the soulbind
north pecan
You dont
I mean you can skip the random quests for the soulbind
if its not your first time
north dove
Didn't seem like it took that long
north pecan
20 minutes or so, also all gathered anima gather during leveling doesnt count towards weekly quest
still pagoda
So you can skip the first quest for soul binds on alts like on beta
yup
you get to 60
start quest chain
and you can skip it right away
odd ridge
What’s anima even good for after you get the 4 circle things? Does more stuff unlock, seems like meh stuff so far
north dove
Cosmetics
open monolith
I love watching people realize: "Oh wait... so.... I actually DON'T have to do all the chorse? like... some of the stuff actually doesn't matter?"
when that light bulb turns on... it's just so wonderful
civic rover
isnt anima required for renown points
open monolith
Just one weekly anima quest.
civic rover
yeah
open monolith
Everything else about anima is completely optional
civic rover
im just doing it on my main because it's kinda interesting seeing it all come together
but alts just doing the weekly for sure
open monolith
I just wish the campaign table wasn't such garbage
civic rover
lol
civic rover
i wish the campaign wasn't gated, i want my transmogs 
open monolith
If I could somehow extend my influence to WoW, I would have removed any combat abilities or buffs from any of the covenants
and made the choice PURELY cosmetic
wheat jasper
what talents do you guys run for thorgast?
civic rover
if i was a dev i'd just let you choose which ability you want at any time
you quest in all the covenants anyway
open monolith
Same as when I play everything else Nash
don't need specific talents for Torghast
but War Machine works really well in there.
open monolith
Torghast is basically afk-auto-pilot easy mode for prot
civic rover
for tanks in general really
open monolith
I ran Devastator through the whole thing
civic rover
tanks excel at solo content because you just can't fucking die
wheat jasper
last night i got the worst powers ever. last boos took ages.. but i ended the run with like 4500 phantasma :E
open monolith
Yeah I only died like once while leveling
and it's because I pulled about 15 quest mobs
open monolith
not knowing that some of them needed to be weakened with an item
I think asking for a ranking makes me want to physically assault you
so I'll do it in text instead
Shut up.
my work here is done
open monolith
No.
civic rover
idk
limpid pawn
😮
civic rover
they're all good as fuck tbh
open monolith
All 6 are virtually identical
limpid pawn
but 6 tho
open monolith
Pally and DH stand out above the rest in damage.
open monolith
Guardian stands out above the rest in tankiness (with a specific legendary)
civic rover
can confirm, maining bear
open monolith
They are extremely close in balance. Creating a tier list is harmful.
Tier lists do nothing but misinform the vast majority of the decidedly-ignorant playerbase
"THIS LIST SHOWS X CLASS ON BOTTOM SO THAT CLASS IS BAD AND I WILL NEVER INVITE THEM TO ANY GROUP"
-Billy, who only ever does a m+7 at most
tardy parcel
You all running double dps trinks right now? Or 1 dps + 1 defensive?
civic rover
hakkar trinket is giga
north pecan
Brew dps is btw stupid good
tardy parcel
Gotcha. Didn't drop for me this week, but do have the Manastorm trinket + Hateful Strike trinket at 184 so I'm just running both of those lol
open monolith
Brew DPS is fine. it's actually one of the lower of the tanks
north pecan
9k dps for a double pack
open monolith
although all the tanks are extremely close, except DH and Pally of course
civic rover
yeah niuzao is nuts
open monolith
Manastorm Trinket is good bicky
I have hakkar and the ??? trinket
i like them both, but don't really like having 2 Use trinkets
civic rover
im running the hakkar and some random m0 trinket that heals me or something
open monolith
The real question is
Are you a GigaChad Shadowcore Oil user
or a virgin Embalmer Oil user
open monolith
leveling Alchemy is a pain in the ass this expansion.
All the things you would actually care to use go gray super fast.
sweet summit
🇺🇸
civic rover
i have so much gold im just not bothering with professions
sweet summit
weird flex
civic rover
brollikk wasnt kidding when he told me selling visions is ez gold
in april/may i made like 12 mil LOL
limpid pawn
yesssss queen
i'm sittin on 100 mil+, never gonna be bothered to pick an herb ever again
sick sentinel
What do you guys think of Alchemy's 'Spiritual Alchemy Stone' - High vers and seems to stack well with Phil of Serenity. Do you think it would be a good trinket for week 1 in Castle seeing as some bosses have some heavy burst.
limpid pawn
yo, IRL i'm a liberal, but in wow i'm an alt-right conservative
lmao
no stimulus for you!
limpid pawn
lol
open monolith
I think the most gold I've ever had is 300k
but i've also never attempted to make gold
limpid pawn
joining a community to be a booster is like working at mcdonalds - nice trickle of gold
if you are able to solo it without one, you will make truck-loads of gold
sweet summit
ya
limpid pawn
but in the end, I realize it is kind of dumb
all of it was to get some stupid cosmetic stuff to flex on people
civic rover
i have a friend who's a streamer and does viewer carries
dude got partnered in fucking 2 weeks
sweet summit
i wish i had a friend
limpid pawn
nice
limpid pawn
yeah, gaining twitch followers, becoming twitch partner and getting those fat subs for IRL gold
is it against ToS to advertise your twitch url in trade chat though?
civic rover
idk
he never advertised
when there's a wholesome gay guy doing viewer carries people tend to hear about it ig
limpid pawn
nice, if it's word of mouth it's legit
there's a guy on tichondrius (US) that advertises in trade chat all the time, his twitch url
not sure if it is bannable tho
civic rover
i play on a dead server so no one advertises
north pecan
People Buying dark moon vorcity?
open monolith
Holy shitballs the new power flasks are ridiculous
4x of each zone-specific herb, 3x of the rare herb
civic rover
raiding is only gonna get more expensive every xpac lol
open monolith
well the bright side is the rare herb is SIGNIFICANTLY less rare than Anchor Weed was
but... still.
I think I liked flasks better when they weren't "1 flask fits all"
open monolith
no shield?
open monolith
oh, you mean the item
still pagoda
155 shield stays till the next week i guess
open monolith
I didn't realize a shield dropped there
still pagoda
last boss is actually great tho
civic rover
theater of pain is sick
still pagoda
already anticipate high keys versions of this dungeon
open monolith
I hear the last boss is going to be the bane of all tyrannical weeks
because of that 50% shadow 50% physical nuke
still pagoda
I hear the last boss is going to be the bane of all tyrannical weeks
if you can't dodge
open monolith
I mean for tanks
still pagoda
otherwise it will be a DPS race
still pagoda
I mean for tanks
pop your CD's proactively
open monolith
don't tell me what to do
still pagoda
treat this boss like Yazma
open monolith
Where all the tank mechanics were usually "press your mitigation CD at the right time!"
still pagoda
but with more magic damage
still pagoda
Where all the tank mechanics were usually "press your mitigation CD at the right...
same goes for raiding in WoW tbh
press your shield wall when needed and don't waste it
outer wedge
Is there like a looking for group alliance discord? I really hate pugging right now.
open monolith
probably.
But if you think you're going to find better groups from a discord channel than in game, well
spoiler: you won't
still pagoda
https://discord.gg/NWDuNKJZ dunno if counts as advertising
still pagoda
But if you think you're going to find better groups from a discord channel than ...
usually helps since people in such discords are a bit better
you can also check them preemptively
unlike with pugs...
btw, effect from anima conductor is actually cool looking
civic rover
i met my push group on that server lmao
open monolith
it's accurate for 2 types of people: no-lifers who have a lot of time to play and can grind it out, and super shitty shitters who are shit
not so accurate for people who are good at the game, but don't have the time to grind out the r.io score
still pagoda
tank inscription deck is actually pretty decent
for big pulls that is
at least for now until you get high ilvl scale or sire trinket
open monolith
what does it do
still pagoda
fine for now
since you won't get anything else with high ilvl until heroic week
will definitely drop it even for normal denathrius trinket
or blood-spattered scale of similar ilvl
sweet summit
idk
still pagoda
- it is dirt cheap on Draenor
open monolith
what about a TITAN-FORGED..... oh wait that doesn't exist anymore \o/
sweet summit
its still very bad
sweet summit
good if you want to trade mythic dungeon trinkets i guess xd
open monolith
I had a decently high IO score when I Was an active player. I hate R.IO
so, not entirely true.
civic rover
like obviously it's flawed
still pagoda
its still very bad
still an upgrade over my 138 questing trinket and terrible luck
civic rover
but people are gonna have some way to look up each other anyway
still pagoda
sweet summit
id just use voracious or whatever, the dps one
open monolith
Take a break from game. Come back mid season. be a skilled player. LOL good luck getting any groups because you weren't there to grind it out at the beginning.
open monolith
I hate R.IO for the same reason I hate tier lists: ignorant players use it irresponsibly.
civic rover
or just push your own key
open monolith
Yes.
still pagoda
so i just bursted out and bought this cheap replacement
will do it for now
my luck is always terrible
civic rover
hot take: tyrannical keys should give higher score than fortified
still pagoda
zero items from theater of pain, no trinkets except for kaal trinket
tyrannical keys should give higher score than fortified [2]
sweet summit
no
civic rover
nothing like looking at a man with all 20s timed and they're all fortified bursting volcanic
open monolith
Hot take: Tyrannical and Fortified are both super boring affixes and should have been reworked / removed / replaced a long time ago
civic rover
most affixes are
sanguine is the only "good" affix because it's not overly obnoxious but you still have to play a bit different
open monolith
I like volcanic
punishes complacent tardos who aren't paying attention
I loved necrotic during Legion when I played brewmaster. It was like free key week back then
inner onyx
Sanguine not obnoxious ???
still pagoda
sanguine is really easy if you don't have someone slowing for no reason
civic rover
necrotic is just BS tbh
still pagoda
it was easy even with CnS major in S4
civic rover
bruh tol dagor you just pulled everything out of the hallways and into the little rooms
hallow oyster
anyone with threat issues?
civic rover
dropped the pools there
still pagoda
no other affix affects a role like necrotic affects tanks
you forgot overflowing for healers back in Legion
that was the actual bullshit
civic rover
didnt it get removed after like a month
open monolith
Threat issues? No. Having to actually play the game and monitor threat again a little more closely? Yes.
still pagoda
Threat issues? No.
Bursting like an ape and outdamaging everyone? Yes
civic rover
didnt overflowing get removed rather quickly though
still pagoda
in 7.2 iirc
open monolith
Oh, you thought YOU were the DPS?
laughs in Avatar, Spear, BV Demo Shout, Ravager
^ not in that order
civic rover
i remember seeing it get removed after the first month or something because so many healers hated it
maybe im small brain
signal patrol
Warriors never laugh they only scream
open monolith
jk there were no bad scenes in FFX
because FFX is perfection.
Bolstering is probably my least favorite
There were some pulls in Legion that had like... 15 mini-adds that all bolstered the big one, which was only avoidable if you had hard CC
"bring the player not the class.... except for multiple different scenarios in M+ where you absolutely need a specific class"
civic rover
there was some wack shit in legion dungeons but they were so fun
open monolith
like garbgsgoalgahd or w/e his name is in Plaguefall. You're definitely going to want a hunter / monk for paralysis and freezing trap on tyrannical weeks
those are the only 2 hard CCs i can think of that work on oozes in-combat
signal patrol
I think the only dungeon I enjoyed in BfA was Sethraliss because I enjoyed watching everyone fail at the gauntlets + football with snakes
open monolith
Did they change the gauntlet?
I quit shortly after 8.1 came out and didn't come back until 9.0 prepatch
civic rover
or just do big damage and kill the oozes
open monolith
and I swear the gauntlet was easier / different
steep wraith
sock, assuming you're talking about first boss plaguefall, a single druid can root the large ooze and mass entangle the smallies
signal patrol
Rootkin
open monolith
oooh entangle, yeah forgot about entangle
K so Druid / Monk / Hunter
who else has a good hard CC for big ooze
steep wraith
unsure if it's an abberation, but potentially could be banished too
it looks the sort of thing to be banishable
open monolith
i hope it's undead
shackle undead would be nice
I mean I know it isn't but.. it would be nice
or I wish I had the Torghast power that makes intimidating shout last 48 seconds
open monolith
the best run
was STARTING with the Spear gains +25% damage on each use, stacking permanently
by the end I was able to pull the entire floor and nearly 1 shot all of it
it was so good
open monolith
I thought it MIGHT be fun, since I love a lot of rogue-like-lite-lights
turned out to be better than I thought
and it's also nothing like PotD or HoH
steep wraith
torghast isn't too bad as prot
steep wraith
not so fun for arms/fury
open monolith
I hear it's kinda tough for some rogues
still pagoda
prot is actually pretty strong
open monolith
and it's tough for bad players
still pagoda
still the same king of physical mitigation
steep wraith
free and fun are different things
signal patrol
I also enjoy the maw but I csnt help but feel like I want everything to be stupidly dangerous there
still pagoda
open monolith
I do not enjoy the Maw
mostly because I'm a smooth brain who can't stop fucking pressing alt+z (mount) after every thing I do
signal patrol
Wrinkle your brain
signal patrol
The long term effect of playing Warrior.
open monolith
This is actually the first expac that I am maining warrior
I switch classes / specs every expansion (sometimes mid-expansion during big patches)
usually try to avoid FOTM classes since I like being a special snowflake
Warrior was one of those classes that I always thought LOOKED like a lot of fun but never went for. Now is the time
still pagoda
open monolith
maybe the exposure to warrior will un-smooth my brain
but probably not, because i like specs that are easy to play
like frost mage and outlaw rogue
and red mage.
though I did also play NIN which is pretty 300iq
novel willow
what stats should I be lusting over for m+ and raid?
vestal depot
fury isnt too bad to play, its just really fast
sweet summit
ilvl>>>>haste>vers>=crit>mast
open monolith
ilvl>>>>haste>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vers=crit>>>>>>mastery
more > is more better
each > is exactly equal to one better
vestal depot
i just returned and want to tank raids this expansion but irl commitments are so much higher than 11 years ago 😦
quartz mist
we farming spires for thunderlord?
sweet summit
yar
quartz mist
drop on normal ?
civic rover
ye but i think its pretty uncommon on normal
sullen drift
so now we play ravager and bolster or unstoppable and anger management ?
open monolith
i have 15 normal clears, 0 memory of the thunderlord
spare cobalt
@strong forum I got like 2-3 questions coming from dk and they’re gonna sound dumb af
If you don’t mind lol
spare cobalt
Demo mitigates magic right?
strong forum
Everything
open monolith
@sullen drift UF / AM once you have thunderlord, IMO. Ravager / Bolster for high keys when you need moar shield block uptime
ionic gull
Just dinged 60. is spear of bastion best for prot warrior? i ll tank myhtics probably.
strong forum
Yes
spare cobalt
Spell reflect mitigates even if it’s not reflecting?
strong forum
Only if its not reflecting
spare cobalt
Okay also big
strong forum
As long as you have the buff, it is mitigating magic
north pecan
BTW anyone know of a guild/+ team looking for a 6K tank
strong forum
If the buff gets consumed, you no longer reduce magic dmg
spare cobalt
When we get TGV demo is best used to fill the block downtime gaps?
sweet summit
just on CD
strong forum
You use demo on CD
spare cobalt
Just slam that shit?
sweet summit
yar
strong forum
BTW anyone know of a guild/+ team looking for a 6K tank
Maybe #promotion or m+ discords
ionic gull
Just dinged 60. is spear of bastion best for prot warrior? i ll tank myhtics probably. Need help
spare cobalt
Okay okay sweet
strong forum
Just dinged 60. is spear of bastion best for prot warrior? i ll tank myhtics pro...
Already said yes to that 
spare cobalt
It’s weird coming from dk and how different they actually are
north pecan
Ya I left my guild at the end of last exp bc I was cst and they were pst, hard to find shit nowadays
spare cobalt
Thanks for answering those for me 🤙
ionic gull
Ohh sorry 🤘 thanks, was waiting the choice it
spare cobalt
I appreciate your time
open monolith
Nome you going gloves or boots for TL?
strong forum
Ye finding guilds as tank can be rough I imagine. Check wowprog and guild recruitment channels in discords
Prolly... Whatever, sock
Idk
Will decide when I get there
strong forum
Nome you going gloves or boots for TL?
They're both same stat budget so, it depends what kind of gloves/boots you can get from the raid, and if 233s are available in what slots
open monolith
from what I could find
2 different haste boots in Nathria
1 gloves in Nathria
boots are from Shriekwing and Niklaus
gloves from sludgefist
also boots have like 8 more armor and 1 more secondary stat at mythic tier, lol
open monolith
I believe the Nathria gloves have 6 higher haste than the boots
but higher chance of actually GETTING boots
and then.... mythic dungeons come into play...
3 sets of gloves, 2 sets of boots
LOL
strong forum
Yeah...
open monolith
pretty sure the stats on those all suck though
open monolith
oh nice
strong forum
I think 
open monolith
GOD DAMMIT BLIZZARD STOP GIVING US CHOICES ON WHERE TO PUT OUR LEGENDARY
Well, if you put it on your gloves
you're 100% guaranteed to never see the boots in Nathria
and will receive gloves from sludgefist every timem
and if you put it on boots, you will never see the gloves, and get BOTH pairs of boots every run
quartz mist
should i buy my shadowghast gloves now ?
quartz mist
or just farm materials myself
open monolith
they will likely get more expensive during the weeks where we can actually use the legendary
welll.... that's a personal question nobody else can answer
what is more valuable to you: gold, or your time
quartz mist
assuming ours is from bs yeah ?
quartz mist
interesting
open monolith
I....
frail saffron
whats our best conduit?
open monolith
I'm lying...
quartz mist
i know lol
open monolith
oh, good.
quartz mist
only 50 gil
quartz mist
shh
sick sentinel
are you guys taking kyrian or nightfae for prot?
open monolith
I personally went Kyrian
strong forum
Kyrian all the way
quartz mist
slapping the spear and ravager back to back is hot
open monolith
pull group. Avatar, BV Demo shout, Spear, Ravager
sick sentinel
ty guys, gonna take kyrian
open monolith
Look at me. Look at me. I'm the DPS now.
sick sentinel
about what about legendaries? which are you working towards first?
open monolith
You should pick the one YOU want
as long as it isn't Necrolords
I want Thunderlord first because I prefer M+ content to raiding
strong forum
Thunderlord
open monolith
and also because it's available as soon as i get the fucking memory
compact stump
long as you don't pick necro or venth you're solid
open monolith
which will never happen
strong forum
And then "the Wall" once raid opens
sick sentinel
I was under the impression Venthyr isn't horrible but Kyrian/night fae are just better
compact stump
i mean honestly you could raid with the opposite faction too, it'll just be really really hard
open monolith
Venthyr is fine for single targets. Significantly less fine for aoe / m+
no it won't be really really hard.
covenants don't add SO MUCH that it will be the difference between easy and really really hard
compact stump
the choice in it all is what makes it easier / what fits your playstyle more than anything
you could simply never use any convenant ability and arguably be fine if you're just having fun
atomic monolith
quartz mist
im only at 10 , 179
ebon hound
😬
stark lance
okay i just leveled my demon hunter from 50-60
and like i dont hate it
but i miss my warior
am i gnna feel like shit if do this guys
frosty scarab
contemplating the DMF haste trinket, coz i feel it would owrk well
strong forum
contemplating the DMF haste trinket, coz i feel it would owrk well
Yes, Voracity is omega good
But I'll buy it once it's below 20k
Last Thursday it was 35k
frosty scarab
hmm, yeah when i checked for it earlier this week it was still 120k
which was wednesday
strong forum
Kek that's so much
frosty scarab
yeah, thats what you get for playing on a dead realm 😛
open monolith
@atomic monolith don't use pawn, lol
meager abyss
any must have macros as prot?
open monolith
no
eternal idol
Is it possible to get the Thunderlord legendary from normal Spires?
maiden ravine
50k on my realm still for Voracity and I'm one of the biggest realms
open monolith
YEs smoo
maiden ravine
I'll grab indom for 15k on Tuesday
open monolith
it's low drop rate af though
eternal idol
Do you get people that troll the orb mechanic on the last boss in randos?
eternal idol
Last 2 times I've stayed for last boss, a mage trolls around and wipes group because he doesnt turn orb in on purpose
open monolith
Not that I would ever do this, because I'm not a douche, but uh..... asking for a friend... can you leave after Thunderlord boss without getting the deserter debuff?
oblique heath
Hey guys, in these Dun I'm getting higher ilvl gear but its has like CRIT and MASTERY not HASTE nad VERS, should I still equip do to higher ilvl? (Mythic Drops)
compact stump
yes sock
strong forum
Yes
compact stump
no debuff
maiden ravine
But so cheap. I'll grab a trinket for 10-15k before 50k
open monolith
Nice. I'll have to get Voracity and start leaving spires after I don't get TL
oblique heath
Any advice guys?
final mist
Hey guys, in these Dun I'm getting higher ilvl gear but its has like CRIT and MA...
Ilevel > stats
I.e. more stats > "better" stats
oblique heath
thank you
compact stump
ilvl > stats unless you're comparing same ilvl items ofc
oblique heath
you fine bro
compact stump
still solid advice
open monolith
Only floss the teeth that you want to keep.
oblique heath
thanks all
open monolith
There, that's my best advice.
pastel sleet
Bis trinkets these first 2 weeks?
open monolith
Hakkar trinket and Darkmoon Deck Voracity, probably
strong forum
Double on use
open monolith
I know. it's gross.
pastel sleet
Voracity on cd?
open monolith
idk don't listen to me I only work here
pastel sleet
I’m 172 and still have a 115 vita equipped
strong forum
Same but im less ilvl
maiden ravine
My druid his 140 ilvl duelists chit is out performing a mythic one
open monolith
I'm gonna do my mythic world tour tomorrow night
I predict I get 3 drops total
because that is my usual luck
all 3 will be pants, too
pastel sleet
I got 4 straight wrists. Pog
mellow patio
Love to hear it
strong forum
I got 4,and got traded 2 rings I think
maiden ravine
I dps'd a dos cause a guildie was tanking. Got the manastorm trinket. 😭
maiden ravine
My dps spec is fury and crit is well crit
open monolith
Real men don't need TWO Weapons.
open monolith
I have the ??? trinket
it frequently gives me haste when I use it
so i don't mind it
quartz mist
so far i only see rank 1 legos on AH , will i wait for rank 2 or 3 ?
open monolith
p sure you can upgrade a 1 to 2
quartz mist
i dont need to buy a rank three down the road ?
basically saying , can i upgrade it myself after i buy it
open monolith
Yeah
p sure you just need soul ash + the legendary piece to upgrade it
someone correct me if I'm wrong (p sure I'm not wrong)
might need a couple of the inscription scrolls, too. IDK
strong forum
Wouldn't make any sense
Then nobody would buy rank 2/3/4
If you can freely upgrade from rank1 with just soulash
You need each rank piece for reach rank upgrade
final mist
I believe that making them gives experience for that piece, and you can then select which rank you'd like to craft (but I've only crafted one of a few of them to make profit)
There's an exp system for them that the other crafted items don't have
strong forum
Yes that's how get the crafting part for r2/r3/r4 pieces
quartz mist
so grabbing BS seems like a go
strong forum
Not really
final mist
If you don't want to shell out money to buy them, I guess
strong forum
You need to craft 15-20 pieces to get the next rank recipe
Doesn't really seem worth it
final mist
^
If you have BS friends, grab the mats and have them make them
It's like 30-50k to craft a piece rn on my server, depending on which one, and they're posted for 100-200k
final mist
I'm on a dead-er server, so I imagine it differs
final mist
yeah
open monolith
yeah im tarded
definitely need the higher rank pieces
hmmmm. well, shit. I wonder how ridiculously expensive the R2 pieces will be
Can you make a R2 directly, or do you have to buy the R1 and upgrade to R2
quartz mist
theres r4 cloth stuff on my AH for like 120k
open monolith
Clothies are so lucky
those legendaries are going to be so cheap
does anyone know if you have to buy rank 1, 2, 3, and 4 items, or if you can just directly make the highest tier one?
quartz mist
next week we can only equip rank 1 supposingly
open monolith
well that's a soul ash restriction
I know each rank requires more and more soul ash. just curious if you can skip the previous ranks
strong forum
Yes you can skip those
It's technically also better to skip them, from a monetary standpoint
As you only buy 1 r4 base item
Instead of 1,2,3 and 4
open monolith
yeah
so later in the expansion, 200iq move is to just buy rank 4 and save soul ash
but for progressing through and playing the whole time....
definitely get the rank 1 next week
an argument can then be made for not buying rank 2 or 3
worthy ingot
popped my Mythic Mordretha cherry, oh my god......
frail saffron
which conduit is bis now?
noble thistle
Has anyone made a weakaura for when those blue orbs spawn? from pelagos passive*
warm apex
Do I need/is there any self healing torghast effects I need to grab to solo?
Or does prot just outlive the bosses dps ha
warm apex
Ill give it a shot!
compact stump
SS damage boosts and well used reflects make torghast fairy trivial for prot
Avoid aoe based anima, focus on single target dmg buffs
Phials from kyrian are op
lavish oracle
I've just been using the generics, seems like they do more damage than shield slam powers
compact stump
There’s tons of ways to beat it, that’s just the basic advice that seems to help most
Who struggle
lavish oracle
Corrupting antenna routinely doing huge portions of my damage on single target
spring crescent
When is it worth it to press whirlwind?
shut summit
in torghast when you get powers for it
lavish oracle
Even then, I cba to put it on my bars 😄
umbral sluice
Is venth completely useless for prot? Might be tanking some keys just to help people get chests for guild. Main arms so dont really want to be kyrian or NF.
lavish oracle
It's not great for prot
umbral sluice
Yeah thats what I was reading. rip.
drifting flicker
How’s prot looking in m+ and compared to other tanks?
spring crescent
So whirlwind in normal content is literally never worth pressing? With guides saying to ruin Devastator talent, I feel like I have so many empty GCDs
Also, is the spell reflect weak aura in the FAQ up to date? Says its updated for 8.3
odd ridge
@drifting flicker very viable, prob 3rd highest tank dps roughly, good enough sustain. Just my opinion prob not fact we will have to wait to see numbers from sims
frail saffron
which conduit is bis now?
anyone knows?
drifting flicker
@odd ridge well that’s good to hear. Haven’t played WoW in 2 years and I’ve been watching ranking videos and many of them say prot wars are bottom for mythic plus.
odd ridge
Yeah a lot of people a few weeks/months ago thought prot war would be bottom tier for mythic + but it’s just not true, it’s a lot better than expected imo I saw some guides saying C tier and stuff but I think we are A tier, maybe not S because we lack godly self heal like DH/blood DK but we have kick butt dmg and are tanky enough to be A tier IMO but just my opinion I am only 155 ilvl atm but doing work in dungeons so far
lilac sierra
I think blood is struggling a little
spring crescent
Yeah blood has great heals but they are not S tier
strongest tanks atm are DH and pally I believe
spring crescent
im still learning about prot warr myself so i can't say much 😅
lilac sierra
will be very strong
spring crescent
Heres hoping
quaint sparrow
@spring crescent Prot warr feels very stiff in terms of building up rage quick enough cause of the stat squish it punishes prot warriors
the amount of haste u get without the into the fray is terrible
spring crescent
My biggest issue right now is all the guides recommend devastator talent and it has SO many empty GCDs. I have to train myself to not always be pressing something, doesn't feel great
quaint sparrow
Devastator is only good with a certain amount of percentage of haste atleast i'd say over 20% is good . but at the current state my warr only has 10% base haste which is very low
lilac sierra
yeah mines 10
if trinket procs i get an additional 10 but i dont think ravager is worth it yet
spring crescent
Mine is 15%
quaint sparrow
15% is still low
Dragon Roar and Ravager is a fun combo but not the best for running high keys
quaint sparrow
yeah booming and unstoppable is the best
next stone
Hey guys, I am about to start leveling, will be with a rogue/priest. Would prot be the best to level since I have 2 others with me. I main prot anyway.
quaint sparrow
Level up as fury or arms
spring crescent
I'm levelling as prot, works just fine imo
steep wraith
Devastator doesn't have loads of spare GCD's if you try and min/max your shield slam resets.
quaint sparrow
Yeah but u kill things faster as a fury/arms
drifting flicker
Fury is happiness for me.
quaint sparrow
Prot still struggles a bit
lavish oracle
Tbh, devastator is only marginally better than the other two talents in my experience, if you really don't like the way it feels, don't play it
spring crescent
Is there a shadowlands updated spell-reflect weakaura?
quaint sparrow
Devastator is the best choice for any situation. given the fact that ur haste is high enough
for it to actually work properly
lavish oracle
There's not a ton of utility in calling something the best when it's generating like 40 extra rage over 3 or 4 minutes, you won't see a noticeable impact running a different talent on that row
Er, well, 40 extra rage vs war machine, significantly more compared to punish
quaint sparrow
Combined with the right haste on devastator talent alows you to build rage up faster then with war machine
war machine generates 1 extra rage per auto attack which is meh
formal river
I'm just running it so I can condemn more :)
Crit>haste>all else. Big parry/revenge. Fun so far.
I may get bent over once keys come out.
quaint sparrow
Hehe everyone has their taste 😛
lavish oracle
I'm aware, Its just that devastator is only better by an inch rather than a mile, so really just pick what feels best
formal river
I like the playing around riposte. So unique
quaint sparrow
That inch will matters when ur doing higher level content for sure
formal river
And actually doing damage single target is wonderful
Cant kite like a kyrian though
But we cant have it all.
quaint sparrow
Nope we cant
formal river
I fckin love the necrolords. Too bad it had to suck. Seems we cant RP either.
Maldraxxus are my bros.
old dagger
Is it okay to “stack” IP? Not sure what to do when suddenly I have a lot of rage again after using IP
still pagoda
Use it as a rage dump
old dagger
True
steep wraith
Ignore pain will stack twice in the absorb amount
So you can cast it 2x without wasting anything that way
but whether you want to cast it over revenge is another quesiton
formal river
True, but I'd rather my healers hit their buttons and let me kill shit, haha
torn gulch
you can have an weakaura that shows when you're capping
torn gulch
i have an weakaura where the IP absorb number turns red when I am overcapping