can someone make a bot that insta answers the covenant order
#protection
civic rover
maiden ravine
I killed the floor bosses, did quests and opened any glowing urns
Other trash mobs are usually just phantasma
meager abyss
what il can you run mythics with a full group?
ionic fern
Pretty much as soon as you hit 60. š
If you want to play it a bit safer you can wait until like 150.
still pagoda
^
mellow patio
any 130 shielders in the chat
strong forum
Any 190 shielders non buyers in chat?
solar crown
136 baby, straight out of leveling-y0
still pagoda
Any 190 shielders non buyers in chat?
RNGesus saves!
tardy parcel
rofl did you get an upgrade on the shield a minute after posting?
also - is this trinket garbaj or okay? https://www.wowhead.com/item=178808/viscera-of-coalesced-hatred?bonus=6805:1472
sturdy portal
HEY guys doesa anyone know in numbers how much the income damage of condemn is ?
Found it its odd it like stacks uzp to 3 times
shell dock
hey fellas, levelling an alt now, gonna tank dungeons mostly for guildies and play fury from time to time, thinking about night fae, do you think its viable?
median copper
whats the easiest m0 right now?
mellow patio
Mists not bad either
meager abyss
what legendary do we want?
sweet summit
TGV for m+
The Wall for raid
spare cobalt
I got a 190 shield for 30k lol so it wasnāt bad
maiden ravine
Halls is easier if you have a Venthyr in group
Mists was the easiest to me overall
sweet summit
mists is hard because im dumb as fuck
and just walk into the wrong one
and kill the wrong one
meager abyss
@sweet summit what does TGV stand for
sweet summit
Thunderlord
meager abyss
@sweet summit where does it drop? thanks for the help
sweet summit
spires
ionic fern
Idk, i failed to complete Theater of Pain since dodging things on last boss is apparently hard.
š¦
mellow patio
i call that boss the brain melter
odd ridge
How much dmg does condemn reduce and how long does the reduction last? Doesnāt say on the ability
late wasp
Erga lies, it does not drop in Spires, it does not drop at ALL *cries
sweet summit
sick sentinel
ToP on Mythic is way different to Heroic. I wiped a few times before getting it.
*the last boss
Iām enjoying Venthyr Prot though, 10k Condemns 
sturdy sable
dudes living the dream right here
sweet summit
@odd ridge however much the tooltip says, 100% absorb, lasts for 8 or 7 seconds
sick sentinel
Is there a cap to the absorb?
sweet summit
probably
odd ridge
@sweet summit ah ok ty
sweet summit
i am not sure how much it stacks
sick sentinel
No idea. Iāll go jump on a dummy in a few hours and report back.
sweet summit
sounds good mate
odd ridge
I was wondering because if it stacks that makes bossing super strong on prot with condemn
maiden ravine
My group one shot top last boss but it was close and chaotic as hell
Group didn't stack adds at all
I still can't believe they threw that many mechanics on a single dungeon boss
inland mesa
all these trinkets seem like poop, are there any good ones to aim for?
civic rover
blood scale
inland mesa
I was stupid and bought 190 shield first night to run 0s and I am now regret
exotic spoke
I got one dirt cheap. But knew it would only be used for 2 weeks
inland mesa
viscera of coalesced hatred also looks decent
yeah... I paid a lot more than I wanted, granted I've made 3/5 of it back already
fervent patio
Guys, recently i've been enjoying tanking in dungeons with prot, but i usually played fury so i went with ventyr, do you recommend changing into nightfae or sticking with ventyr?
inland mesa
what level of content are you trying to do?
fervent patio
I want to raid, possibly mythic but dps, and m+ but i don't plan to push very high key as a tank
maiden ravine
You can make condemn work then. It's not as good for tanking, but won't stop you
still pagoda
@fervent patio the only regret you would have is zero usefulness from condemn in high keys
But if this is not the content you strive for, go for it
sick sentinel
Condemn is fine. Makes bosses for faster. Just grab Ravager and Roar then youāre fine for trash.
honest plinth
im doing like 80% of dps specs right now
spear is very good
i like it
ready for m0 haha
inland mesa
whaaa, that's what I'm at after m0 lol
civic rover
necro prot warr 
honest plinth
exotic spoke
M0s arenāt bad. Went in around 150 I think
Probably should farm the prices I didnāt get from m0 from heroics but /shrug
honest plinth
well we just waited for our healer
novel willow
can thunderlord drop on any difficulty?
still pagoda
But not for me 
[2]
novel willow
is the % higher on higher dciff?
still pagoda
Seems so...
honest plinth
idk man but it seems ilke ye
still pagoda
fuck legiondary rng 4 years after legiondary rng
novel willow
and finally: can I spam heroic/mythic? and still loot it or can I only loot it first run of the day/week
yeah I didn't get it on mythic or heroic so far
honest plinth
well i got reverberation:D
void karma
Around what ilvl would you guys recommend for pugging m0s?
honest plinth
heroic once per day without lfg
m0 once per week
and you can spam lfg heroics ofc
honest plinth
Around what ilvl would you guys recommend for pugging m0s?
depends
you can do it in nya mythic gear for sure
if you have your own grp
with experienced players ofc
maiden ravine
I pugged all 8 at 150-170. I think most casuals are scared and not trying yet
Just made my own groups
void karma
I'm one of those, I'm a mediocre prot warr at best since I just got back to tanking after a long break
honest plinth
did some heroic runs?
void karma
Currently sitting at 166 and wondering if I should grind out the rest of the pieces I miss from heroic or just go for it
quartz mist
what should we upgrade in the sanctum reservior first bois ?
maiden ravine
I just put in learning dungeon and going slow
void karma
Aight, probably gonna give it a shot tomorrow then
honest plinth
šŖ š
maiden ravine
We're tanks. We're the in demand scarce role and get to set the rules and pacing
novel hornet
Anyone try war machine while tanking dungeons? Seems to proc no matter who kills the mob
ebon hound
that's how it works yeah
novel hornet
I like it, been tanking heroics/mythic 0 as venthyr, works well for pooling rage to spam condemn on next pull
pliant sage
Oh hi @maiden ravine good to see someone from the Bear channel
undone sun
pliant sage
Missed Thyme. Hi there
maiden ravine
I'm a bad warrior, going condemn and all
pliant sage
I went Kyrian and Horde because apparently all my friends went Horde.
I do have a pointless question to ask if people want to indulge me, what is the race on Horde with the most defensive ability or utility?
fresh kernel
any bis lists out there?
opal halo
is leveling as prot viable, or dont bother
steel mauve
you can level as any spec
bronze forge
I like it, been tanking heroics/mythic 0 as venthyr, works well for pooling rage...
Condemn works for prot
primal saddle
@pliant sage vulpera
they are the best tanking race in the game
by a longway
at least for MT
pliant sage
What makes them good? I'm not aware of anything that would do that
primal saddle
they have a 5% shield agaisnt every new foe
pliant sage
Oh
pliant sage
True.
primal saddle
raid too on MT encounters and trash
pliant sage
But what about the High mountain passive?
primal saddle
other than that you also have orcs stun reduction
pliant sage
I have an Orc now, I like how it mogs but that character was made ...a long time ago
primal saddle
just make an orc female
pliant sage
That's what I have.
primal saddle
its the best model in the game
novel hornet
@bronze forge I thought I would be gimping myself by not going spear, but I think rather than gimp, I'm just sub optimal
pliant sage
Also the animation rigging is awesome
(compared to BElf that hold weapons like dorks)
primal saddle
spear is nice but its not the end of the world to not have it
yea its cus orcs are the most played
pliant sage
Gimp in what context? Spear is a bad Ursol Cortes, useful af
primal saddle
so they get the loove
west adder
any opinions on venthyr-prot ? it had the same mitigation as ignorepain for me in most dungeons but feels weird to press instead of ignorepain
pliant sage
For icing it's rage positive
novel hornet
@pliant sage I thought condemn would be trash for tanking
pliant sage
Oh, it's not trash it's just moving some utility to priority damage on ST. Helps with snap aggro imi
primal saddle
plus the pot is dumb good
pliant sage
Imo*
primal saddle
yea i use it to grab packs that are geting hyer agroed by my wearlock poping off
steel mauve
condemn is extremely strong single target, but thats the main use for them
pliant sage
I hate that Necro is the Covenant I want to play but it's bad by math and function
novel hornet
I think spear is still bis, but I'm just glad venthyr didn't turn out to be useless
civic rover
if you like necrolord just go necrolord
primal saddle
and so underpowered
pliant sage
Same.
primal saddle
but yea
civic rover
i mean i think banner is better than condemn tbh
pliant sage
I've had like 3 different ideas that are more thematic and less shite. The passive Fleshcraft is silly as well.
civic rover
fleshcraft isn't great but it's still an alright spell
pliant sage
Condemn has better uptime but it costs rage
primal saddle
just go it of you wanna but I couldn't purely on the numbers and utillity of kyrian
civic rover
kill boss, use fleshcraft, get giga shield, go do big pull with banner
thats kinda the pattern i've been using
primal saddle
probaly gona go unholy for necrolord
steel mauve
also apparently really easy to steal aggro in raid with condemn, at least during the first 20%
pliant sage
Same. Necro is also bad for dps, there's just no upside
primal saddle
for us anyway
novel hornet
@steel mauve really? If that's true I'm really glad I also went condemn
civic rover
arent most of the CN fights aoe 
primal saddle
almost all of them yea
steel mauve
just a choice if you want boss damage or aoe damage
primal saddle
but theres alot of single tyarget phases
pliant sage
Most yes. I'm more concerned about snap aggro in M+ so I like spear
pliant sage
I'm really wrestling with asthetic as well.
I don't play high end so it's not a big deal
civic rover
i mean at least the necrolord soulbinds arent bad
im not gonna push on my warrior this tier so im fine with being suboptimal
pliant sage
They are the worst available
civic rover
well yeah but they're still not bad
pliant sage
I think Night Fey are the only ones close to being as bad.
civic rover
what
primal saddle
yea kyrain looks so trash compared to the rest
primal saddle
yea they are nice but also pelegos
civic rover
pelagos is still overtuned lmfao
steel mauve
im very close to choosing night fae because i want to be like groot
pliant sage
I'm going to keep the main in Kyrian, then put an alt Warrior in Necro
primal saddle
nightfae good
pelegos isnt overtuned he is just the only one thats tuned properly
for dps
primal saddle
kleia
no
arms is pelegos too
afaik
they want that mastery too
just not as much
timber nest
What two trinkets are you guys using pre r aid?
civic rover
both pelagos and kleia are very good for prot
primal saddle
is there no one hand boe for strength?
ashen moon
Has anyone actually looted Memory of the Thunderlord?
i'm wondering the same thing lol
open monolith
I was expecting a slightly low drop rate like... Idk run it 4-5 times and get it.
Nothing like this
ashen moon
3% according to wowhead, but i don't really know
open monolith
I hope to fuck that isn't true
ashen moon
maybe it depends on the difficulty, idk
maiden ravine
That's also 3% of everyone who's ran it
Including non warriors
Better estimate may be 30-50% for m0 and lower for repeatable content
ashen moon
3% on every player on the party? cummulative?
ashen moon
thunderlord
steel mauve
its in the guides, tels you what legos and what item slots are preferred
maiden ravine
Yes and good way to see this was looking at drop rates of icecrown rares. Rings had a 25% drop rate cause everyone could use them, but armor pieces were more like 10%
A 100% drop item for one class will show near 0% eventually if you only get it once
upbeat elk
Hi prot warriors.
-
Do you reapec when doing solo content like dailies?
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Do you have a dps set of gear or just using your prot gear?
quartz mist
so in other words , me buying the 190 gloves for gold is just gonna be replaced next week
boreal aspen
Hey fellas, newbie warrior and I love the idea of tanking, everyone seems to shit on prot online doe, any insight?
mellow patio
Most people pooping on prot are misinformed
boreal aspen
Already kinda bummed since it seems like i'll have to go arms instead of fury for dps ahah
steel mauve
dont listem to them and youll be perfectly fine
quartz mist
prot is lit
mellow patio
Prot is good. Plays a bit slower than it did in bfa and you have to be more deliberate with what you spend your rage on but it is objectively good
boreal aspen
Great to hear fellas, just don't want to stumble into a situation where I invest into gearing something and am excluded from pug groups :p
quartz mist
boppin spear and ravager down both times feel lit
mellow patio
Youāre a tank they will take what they get
novel hornet
@upbeat elk I respec fury for non dungeon content and use two one handers
upbeat elk
@novel hornet thank you!
steel mauve
i cant be bothered enough to switch out of prot honestly
barren widget
@upbeat elk prot gets more fun the bigger you pull. And does more than enough damage for anything world content related. Iād say even easier right now than the dps specs.
primal saddle
not really
its pretty ehh from what ive seen
but check teh guides see what they say
mellow patio
Better than venthyr worse than Kyrian/NF by a mile
mellow patio
How do you hate how spear feels
You just throw it
Never to think again
I do get the quarrel with the mog and what not
primal saddle
yea the kyriajn mod is bad
topaz zenith
I just dont like the aesthetic
tardy parcel
Spear was best-feeling ability for me while leveling, with Night Fae closely behind. The others didn't really pare up
topaz zenith
I just dont like
foresty shit for my warrior
or paladiny shit
on pally id gladly go kyrian
civic rover
i went necro and honestly its not bad
plush arch
Is Kyrian seemingly the go to pick?
fiery remnant
is dungeon spam worth it when doing the fates stuff
timber nest
are there any dungeon weakuaras ready to go yet?
maiden ravine
Honestly unless you wanna do +25s the first season, go what you like
civic rover
people understand it takes 30 seconds to go to wowhead to find what the best covenants for each spec is right
maiden ravine
Necrolord banner is blizzard thinking "oh raiders like rallying cry as a raid cd, let's make a version that only affects 3 people'
civic rover
banner is great 
maiden ravine
I do like banner, 10% crit and 20% hp is just eh compared to the others
civic rover
i just like maldraxxus too much
rough needle
@plush arch Kyrian>Ardenwald>>>Venthyr>>>>>>>>>>>>Necrolord if you're someone who doesn't have a theme/transmog preference
maiden ravine
I think it's a good ability, but warrior didn't really need another 3 min cd and give up a potency conduit to make it function as a cd
civic rover
but maldraxxus
maiden ravine
My druid is maldraxxus and I knew he was home the moment the zone started
civic rover
my bear is venthyr
maiden ravine
It was great after boring bastion
sharp orbit
they shouldve given us a Necrolord covenant too when every other class got ir
civic rover
are you talking shit about the sleeper covenant
i like bastion too but the fact that my warr is a worgen just makes necrolord fit so well
maiden ravine
Watch somehow in 9.3 when it gives 40% str or something it jumps ahead for the dps specs
odd ridge
sry if this is a dumb question but how do we get renown points? I dont quite get it
rough needle
@odd ridge you do the two levels of your covenant campaign + the 1000 anima weekly for this week, max level is 3
odd ridge
oohhh ok thanks chief
warm apex
I'm sure this has been asked, but what do y'all like for your 6th and 7th talent?
Seems like its between Unstoppable/Anger or Ravager/Bolster
primal saddle
i go same kinda thing we did in bfa
unstopable force so i can be hyper agressive
and just focus on claping cheeks
primal saddle
Just don't do what I did and fucking run mythics from 145 and have a hard but fun time
And you will be fine
cinder nova
I'm doing it with my guild from 145 and we're fine
primal saddle
I had a few issues on a few bursty packs that would kill me with magic but no issues with bosses
Oh bar necrotic wake first boss who we got tired brain stuck on untill we realised you have to kill the Magots quick fast
civic rover
i was doing m0s no prob at 140, just can't pull like a monkey and gotta kite a lil more
but i also play with a regular group so ymmv
primal saddle
Yea I was busy playing bear tank
primal saddle
Also are some mobs not pinned by the spear?
I've had a few just fuck off and leave
Tis annoying sometimes
civic rover
might be similar to how some cant be stunned
primal saddle
True
Not sure what it is that defines it
I know bosses can't be pinned
But alot of random mobs can't ether must be the unstunable ones I guess
Never tested
sick sentinel
i hope cross specing isn't hard with covenants
really really enjoy prot but dont wanna be pinned down to just DPS cause i picked venthyr
I know spear is a million times better on the prot side of things
opaque hearth
What slot would you craft Thunderlord, and the Wall in?
warm apex
When using Ignore Pain during Shield Block downtime, should I allow the Ignore Pain buff expire before using Shield Block again, or just double up as soon as Shield Block is ready?
elder cosmos
Depends on if youāre going to die or not and what context this is in. Shield block is far superior to IP in basically every scenario outside of magic damage. If youāre not going to die - taking advantage of that to add some buffer for shield block on the next āI will def die without shield blackā spot is best.
As in - not pressing shield block right away.
Tanking is more of a āfeelā imo than a hard rule. Depends on a lot of factors of what you can and canāt take at that moment that dictates your decision making.
cinder nova
I mean, no it's not. Shield Block isn't worth it unless it's a blockable attack, and there's a lot of not blockable stuff that isn't magic either.
cinder nova
basically every scenario outside of magic damage.
Yeah, but this is definitely misleading.
elder cosmos
Okay - I figured there was some common sense involved. Are we supposed to treat everyone like an idiot here?
cinder nova
No, but if someone's asking about basics of a spec, it's best not to assume they know everything.
I mean - especially since Blizzard forces us to test what is and isn't blockable and reflectable rather than just telling us, which is really annoying.
elder cosmos
I suppose thatās fair.
stiff osprey
those who are are prot but also fury on occasion - what covenant are you choosing?
warm apex
Whats the ideal situation for me to complete layer 3 torg? Prot Solo? Prot w/ a Damage who can Healer?
Full 5 man? What's the easiest way I guess
spring crescent
Hows prot looking from a high-end competitive m+ standpoint? I'm looking to have my main alt be a tank for keys and prot seems really fun
dense flame
mellow patio
Hows prot looking from a high-end competitive m+ standpoint? I'm looking to have...
Solid and will only get better with gear
Tank balance is very good right now
cinder nova
Right?
mellow patio
Revenj or bust
light fox
guys , simulation for prot is not available?
maiden ravine
eh, condemn is more fun than revenge to me haha
cinder nova
Nah, he's saying you should be pressing revenge in addition to everything there
Condemn replaces Execute, there's no reason you shouldn't be using revenge.
Even if it's only like 3PPM for the freebies
Speaking of big damage
holy fuck the slime phial from plaguefall
novel temple
i got the 184 execute conduit from a calling
i swear this game is trying to tell me to just go arms instead of tanking
or to just bite the bullet in dungeons and go venthyr for prot
maiden ravine
I did use revenge on the freebies
solar crown
Im reading that engineering has a belt enchant, does it still exist and/or is it worth going engi for that alone?
novel temple
should also use revenge to keep up deep wounds on aoe packs
mellow patio
Revenge is likely to be your top damage if youāre using it properly
compact stump
feel that comment is content specific
if you're rage dumping revenge in overgeared content, sure
steel mauve
revenge wont be your top damage if using it properly
mellow patio
Correction, most likely to be your top damaging ability
At least top 3
Correctly or incorrectly using it
ST different scenario
compact stump
clap ss and covenant wrecks it in all logs i have available right now
not great logs for the convo, but /shrug
spring crescent
Brand new to prot, tanking some normals atm
is it normal, with devastator talent, for there to be a lot of downtime?
compact stump
compared to last xpac, hell yea... night and day.
mellow patio
Youāll prob have a few dead globals
compact stump
legendaries and whatnot are expected to smooth that out a bit as the xpac matures
cinder nova
Is Bond of Friendship absolutely necessary? It doesn't improve Phial uptime, so I'm curious if it's just a choice or if there is something I'm missing.
fiery remnant
talent build for torghast?
cinder nova
fiery remnant
not sure what im looking fo
compact stump
2nd pin takes you to icy veins which has a page on torghast
fiery remnant
thank you
compact stump
regarding bond of friendship, i imagine that's a personal preference choice... i don't see any reason you can't pick either
but i can't say i know for certain either
spice shadow
is it normal, with devastator talent, for there to be a lot of downtime?
Came here to find out the same thing as a friend and I are literally having this conversation now.
Wondering if itās worth to take Punish until haste picks up.
cosmic canyon
what is it to do this week?
3+3 thorgast, 8 m+0, farm heroic gear, do daily quests? get renown 3?
is there like a world boss somewhere? something else I'm not thinking about?
sick sentinel
Donāt even need the daily quests. Iām farming the Maw daily to get max stygia. About 10 days per gemslot, so Iām getting in as early as I can.
cosmic canyon
How much stygia you got? you going to 'instant death' level daily? like 4-5 power on the bar in the middle top of the screen?
or just doing the two dailies
as for devastator
I suggest you run Dragon Roar for snap threat until haste picks up to reduce the windows of having nothing to do.
Devastator is what, 6-9% of total damage output + free resets on SS all by itself, so it's really really good.
that is doing key content
what about enchants btw, what to get? weapon ench?
frosty scarab
Running devastator atm, and it required some getting used to it, but feels fine. Yeah a bit slower than bfa but works fine. Just a bit less buttons to press. Threat is sometimes an issue if people go all out and you dont have ravager or kyrian spear to use. But most of the times i regain aggro within seconds
But then again, currently only running hcs and will do m0s tonight. And with 171 ilvl i feel like outgearing hcs alreadyš
jagged pier
I mean you outgearing pretty much all content at hitting 60, i did mythic0s at like 140 and was fine
paper orbit
^ yeah, we walked into mythics at 140-ish and completed it just fine. It's mostly mechanics, the gear just makes it faster.
wintry tundra
best covenant for Prot Warrior?
cerulean quest
Nightfae or Kyrian. I think majority in here are Kyrian
wintry tundra
would it gimp me for raiding and mythic+ if I chose venthyr haha?
sweet summit
fir m+ yes
cerulean quest
Depends how far you want to push I think. Itās defo not optimal
cerulean quest
But pick what you enjoy
sweet summit
little defensive value
wintry tundra
aight thanks for the help š
cerulean quest
Personally love the spear + ravenger combo so much... so fun in dungeons
Pretty use that would also out DPS venthyr in mythics
nova rover
Hows the Darkmoon Voracity trinket match up?
sweet summit
very big haste on use
lines up with avatar if youre not using AM
i use it
but thats cos i dont have a lot of trinkets to choose from š
chilly brook
Spear, ravager, dragon roar
Big pumps
My blood DK got a lot of gear tonight
Went from 159 to 177
sweet summit
big lad
chilly brook
Honestly big F that spec
sweet summit
dont like it?
chilly brook
Can't say I'm a huge fan of banking a bunch of RP sitting doing nothing for a little bit and hoping my Death Strike goes off before I lose all the extra healing from the damage taken window
But I also got my panda boi warrior to 60 through grinding dungeons earlier today
Probably going to level the bear tomorrow
sweet summit
solid
pliant abyss
Hi everyone, is there a weakaura for spell reflect?
graceful girder
so do you guys use a weak aura for auto attack timers when playing prot?
with the devastator talent I find that more often than i'd like I get a shield slam refresh just as I'm about to press revenge because I didn't know I had an AA with a possible refresh coming in at that exact time
forest fern
you can, the idea is as the timer is just about ending to make a swing start spamming shield slam, gets them out a bit more consistently so you aren't stuck in a gcd when the proc happens
will prob be much more valuable on boss fights, long ones especially
If you don't want a weak aura swing timer specific mods for warriors have existed since vanilla, just look around curse etc for them.
graceful girder
Swing timers are my bread and butter when I play classic so honestly feels kinda weird not to have it here in retail.
sweet summit
swingtimer is not used for prot normally
it doesnt change anything, so its just useless screen clutter
fair crystal
Not sure if its been said yet but good way to farms some 171 haste vers gear is PvP def worth imo
can target a few stats your after š
smoky wave
Yeah Jaddax? Bugger. That's doubling down on me having to pvp then since the leaper comes from that š«
fair crystal
mhmmmm and the haste trinket don't look half bad to.
managed to Crack 180 with the little pvp trick
viscid kestrel
Stat prios as tank now in Shadowlands?
sweet summit
ilvl>>>>haste>vers>=crit>mast
honest plinth
but thats cos i dont have a lot of trinkets to choose from š
im using pvp trinket with haste and main stat proc and hakkar
hakkar is something broken
maiden ravine
57 on the warrior. Does anyone know if threads of fate requires you to do all 4 aid quests or if you hit 60 you're good to go?
sweet summit
questing again?
maiden ravine
the alternative levelling stuff does give you a campaign and it's doing an aid quest in each zone. I'm just not sure if it requires you to finish them like the main story covenant
frosty scarab
no need to finish them
maiden ravine
okay, good. I'll get 3 done then probably
frosty scarab
a guildie lvled from 50 to 60 with just herbing / mining touching none of them, and literally could do his covenant stuff right when he hit 60
maiden ravine
awesome
frosty scarab
albeit really undergeared because of his way of lvling š
maiden ravine
I'm so excited the revendreth 1hander swords are fencing weapons
chilly escarp
m0 tanking into the fray or unstoopable?
neat lagoon
id say depends on the dungeon
more melee go fray
is anyone even using Whirlwind or are they just dumping rage with Revenge lol? I think Revenge base damage is higher anyway
chilly escarp
yeah tried it then took it off my bar
honest plinth
you dont use ww
honest plinth
m0 tanking into the fray or unstoopable?
uf or ravager.
still pagoda
uf/am and ravager/bolster
prisma nest
Hi guys! Any major difference between weapon speeds when it comes to tanking?
sweet summit
No, just make sure it has strength
strong forum
m0 tanking into the fray or unstoopable?
Ravager
empty locust
16 runs in spires and no TGV /wrists
still pagoda
16 runs in spires and no TGV /wrists
just wait for M+
empty locust
i've got ptsd from legion....want to get it out the way asap
was the last one to drop
sweet summit
trust me, this is the one
keen hearth
what's the best weakaura collection you guys recommend? also after pushing mythics I've been tempted to try the more "defensive" wowhead talent build, any feedback on it? What talents do you guys generally recommend for raid/m+?
sweet summit
i use afenars
the idk what feedback you want, its fun. ravager+BV is big rage and bolster gives you more SB uptime
for raids its pretty much 
(soon tm) and m+ probably the "defensive" option if you're doing "higher" keys, or the more damage focused one for lower keys
keen hearth
I guess I was more curious to see if it really does provide a lot of defense. I was personally thinking of going rumbling earth instead of bolt, and I feel like booming voice would be a lot better than dragon roar for the instant ignore pain when undergeared, but I feel like every option is viable to an extent
sweet summit
BV will skyrocket in value when we get access to the thunderlord legendary
keen hearth
I also feel like punish just has to be way better than devastator due to the damage reduction but nobody agrees on any of the forums ive looked at and I just fail to understand how tbh
sweet summit
devastator gives you more SS resets -> more rage -> more IP/revenge/(SB)
ebon swan
hey anybody here use littlewigs + bigwigs? I still don't have timers in several dungeons
sweet summit
my timers were working fine when i did dungeons yesterday
ebon swan
and i dont see anything on their open issues or anything so wondering if something is wrong
sweet summit
u sure its up to date?
keen hearth
devastator gives you more SS resets -> more rage -> more IP/revenge/(SB)
I guess that makes sense but I feel like SS resets enough without it to be honest, but I guess I haven't really ran punish instead to see the difference
ebon swan
example de other side only has the enrage mechanics when i open bigwigs config
actually only de other side is missing timers
sweet summit
by all means, try punish
strong forum
Punish isn't worse or bad, devastator is just a smoother/more fluid gameplay
That's really it
sick otter
man after playing vengeance prot is just pure suffering š¦
keen hearth
yeah that makes sense, I might be playing very wrong but i feel as though I would have a good amount of times to cast devastate to go for more SBs. I guess i'll just try them both in heroics and see what i think :)
what are the thoughts between Rumbling Earth and Storm Bolt?
sweet summit
the extra stop from SB is very strong, but RE is fine
strong forum
Storm bolt 100% of the time
empty locust
strong forum
I'll never ever play without stormbolt again
sweet summit
told you
empty locust
Thank you Erga. all your support š
sweet summit
keen hearth
Blessed by the Gods
I'll give the standard defensive talent list a shot and then go from there by trying punish and stuff. I feel like there will be a lot of options for warr and a lot of min maxing before a talent build gets decided, especially due to being undergeared vs having the gear for it
strong forum
Yup
coral marsh
Guys, I have a question: did you ever receive a duplicate conduit trait AFTER already having learned it? I didn't learn any of my conduits to save them for free respec tokens, but now I have a lot of duplicates and I wonder if I wasted anima power with that.
strong forum
Ye you can get multiple conduits apparently
strong forum
what do u think about darkmoon trinkets atm š
Only voracity is good
The tank trinket is absolutely dogshit
nocturne marlin
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coral marsh
@strong forum how often did you get a duplicate after already having learned it before?
strong forum
I didn't yet, but a guildie got like 1 or 2
sweet summit
ya i get some but the duplicates are just direct upgrades since higher ilvl, at least the ones ive gotten
coral marsh
ye im pretty sure you can only get a duplicate if you havent learned the item already
so im screwed because i saved the items
@strong forum did you grind (almost) all worldquests?
@sweet summit did you grind a lot of worldquests?
sweet summit
no
coral marsh
can you look if any duplicate (same or lower itemlevel) is up right now for you?
sweet summit
ye sure, sec
strong forum
I'm not home for another day so I can't
worthy ingot
I've had 158 hack and slash appear multiple times
coral marsh
@worthy ingot after you have learned the item already?
worthy ingot
yes
sweet summit
theres only one conduit WQ up rn, and thats one i dont already have
obtuse crest
Hello lovely warriors! Been digging through this entire Venthyr or Night Fae warrior and Iām stuck. Mainly raid heroic as fury but Iām looking to tank M+ with the intention of pushing for +15 as my max. Should I be as worried about Condemn holding me back at those 15 keys? Absolutely hate the aesthetic of Kyrian for my warrior so no hope of going there haha
obtuse crest
Thatās what Iām feeling from hearing from folks using it as prot, just feels like an odd ability for a tank haha
worthy ingot
Is everyone going with piercing verdict right now? been debating an endurance for the time being, things hurt still
sweet summit
pretty much yeah, piercing owns
pallid hollow
okay either i am really lucky, or protection is god damn powerful in torghast
i don't think i got anima that are that good except for Ignore Pain have a chance to give me Wall
sweet summit
both probably
outer wedge
yo war gangs what trinkets we shooting for right now outta instances?
outer wedge
gotcha ya. Was think about something like that.
pallid hollow
Booming + Unstable Force + AM still the best dps wise right?
honest plinth
you can get ilvl 171 pvp trinket aswell
honest plinth
Booming + Unstable Force + AM still the best dps wise right?
idk. but im playing in this build rn. very strong in terms of dps
pine sand
Does the reflect list works for a fury main aswell? i just need to find out which spells are casted towards dps right?
honest plinth
will spec in ravager bolster later
coral marsh
i actually asked somebody who did almost all worldquests and he didnt get any duplicates
i wasted so much anima power now
i think my character is ruined
pine sand
That moment when you don't have the game in english and must find every trash name in french 
pallid hollow
idk how people can play game in their native language
sweet summit
same
outer wedge
I just wish they have different servers for different languages lol
sweet summit
@pallid hollow BV+Rav+AM sims higher APL is kinda scuffed tho i think
sweet summit
yes im hacking
sweet summit
yeh
pallid hollow
what's the covenant?
pine sand
alright i think i'll just put my game in english i'm getting crazy rn reading this
pallid hollow
i feel like i am wasting thunder clap with Unstable Force whenever i use condemn
so maybe ravager will be better for me? idk
Too bad ravager isn't counted as bladestorm in torghasts
for prot atleast, but my arms avatar from talent can be increased frome the anime power
ebon swan
so is there a way to disable interaction with owl boy during combat, i have had so many times when trying to click a mob i click the fucking owl and open his dialogue
coral marsh
@ the guys who already used the conduit traits extensively, how does the respeccing traits work exactly?
i know you can change freely in a row
but how can you change a trait
is that the blue token for?
that stacks up to 10?
sweet summit
its for changing a conduit
respecing doesnt change anything, its not like essences
think of it like azerite traits
once you unlock a new soulbind, you can freely change between the soulbinds. so you can have one soulbind for prot and once for arms for example
coral marsh
with changeing a conduit you mean the person?
coral marsh
ok so swap between "persons" is free, but changing a trait within that person is 1 blue charge?
sweet summit
yes
coral marsh
thanks
strong forum
You hardly have time to cast revenge when playing UF + AM
So you miss out on that
I really don't enjoy that aspect of UF now
So you instead pump rage into IP which in the current low content just feels terrible
worthy ingot
Why does every mythic item I get not have haste 
honest plinth
cosmic canyon
did blizzard ever elaborate on why the item level from raiding is higher than that of +m ?
still pagoda
did blizzard ever elaborate on why the item level from raiding is higher than th...
to avoid good gear from becoming farmable and trivial to get
putting it on a weekly lockout of mythic raid and weekly chest and reversing on loot showering was the best thing blizz did in last few years
the later part coming this expansion with reduction of loot drops from raids and M+
cosmic canyon
well. You're forcing people to play raid content this way. The gap between +m loot and raid gear iL is forcing everyone that is keen on being competitive and push high keys to also do raid content.
not everyone has time to play 24/7
still pagoda
š raids are not hard bruh
cosmic canyon
it's not about that
still pagoda
neither they are a chore
cosmic canyon
it's about forcing people to find a mythic raiding guild
still pagoda
neither you play them 24/7
still pagoda
plenty of 1-2 day raiding guilds out there(except for RU servers...)
cosmic canyon
you're not listening to what i'm saying
cosmic canyon
Most people don't have infinite time, perhaps only being able to play 3-4 evenings a week. Not a tiny amount of hours tbh. To have 2 of those evenings being forced
well, normalize any raiding gear in +m dungeon keys then
jagged pier
I mean its not forcing you to mythic raid at all you get mythic lvl loot from cache not just the highest items from the last 2 bosses
still pagoda
well. You're forcing people to play raid content this way. The gap between +m lo...
being "competitive" on the level i assume you are talking about already requires you to actually play the game and expand outside of M+.
I don't have infinite time myself, and a lot of improvements in SL actually make it much easier time for me to both raid and enjoy M+. Just as enjoy beer Friday 3s but that's a completely different story
jagged pier
and also there are raiding guild that raid mythic with 1 night or 2 nights a week not 3-4
you just need to look
cosmic canyon
Listen to what I'm saying!!!
still pagoda
Most people don't have infinite time, perhaps only being able to play 3-4 evenin...
they are not forced. You can still do high keys in heroic level gear
cosmic canyon
I don't care if there is 1-2 evening raids, if people can only play 3-4 evenings a week and don't enjoy raiding one bit
still pagoda
on what level? WF?
cosmic canyon
to do PVP they have to do PVE
still pagoda
mate, that's already a job of sorts
cosmic canyon
that tiny edge on the margin karton
still pagoda
noone is forcing you [2]
cosmic canyon
look, we're not getting anywhere here.
jagged pier
again you wont be you get mythic lvl gear from teh cache
strong forum
This entire discussion isn't going anywhere
Blizz doest want good loot from repeatable sources
cosmic canyon
Agreed
strong forum
Simple as
cosmic canyon
Have they said that; was my initial question
jagged pier
^^
still pagoda
they showed it multiple times
strong forum
All loot is supposed to be behind weekly lockout with 1 chance per week.
still pagoda
throughout Legion and BfA
deeds say more than words
shall i remind you of ditching of bonus chests in 7.2?
it showed even more clearly that blizz don't want any repeatable sources of high-end gear
strong forum
Because if you would have competetive loot from repeatable sources, people would indulge in demon schedules
still pagoda
^ Destiny 2 amirite...
endless farming for god roll spare rations(only for it to become obsolete with Y3 and recent Hand Cannons reworks)
thorn galleon
yo guys, best stats for prot/how much of every stat do u ideally want?
thorn galleon
so basically just higher ilvl gear is better 99% of the times?
strong forum
Yuh
thorn galleon
aight, ty
strong forum
Rings and neck you can drop some ilvl for better stats
But besides that just equip big number š
worthy ingot
Is Str far enough ahead of Vers to wear a higher ilvl str trinket with a poop use over a verse with decent passive?
sweet summit
depends
worthy ingot
have Manastorm trinket from Mythic
strong forum
this sounds like alch trinket to be replaced by some other trinket
The manastorm trinket sounds really good
15sec uptime for 370+ crit
While doing dmg
sweet kayak
Which is best, Into the Fray/Unstoppable Force/Ravager?
strong forum
Ravager
sweet kayak
ok thanks
worthy ingot
over 3k on pull with manastrom trinket
humble stream
Hello :)
https://fr.wowhead.com/item=173096/suite-de-sombrelune-invincibilitƩ or https://fr.wowhead.com/item=173087/suite-de-sombrelune-voracitƩ
Good for tank spec ? š
strong forum
Voracity is pretty good
humble stream
Ty
strong forum
Invincibility is terrible, don't fall for it
humble stream
??
formal ivy
Does the legendary recipes drop from normal dungeons aswell?
sweet summit
Suite de Sombrelune : InvincibilitƩ = very bad
Suite de Sombrelune : VoracitƩ = solid
š
humble stream
ty
fringe marten
What is this manastorm trinket wizardry people talkin'bout?
sweet summit
this one
open monolith
You know what item doesn't exist?
Memory of the Thunderlord
fringe marten
Oh that looks spicy AF...
fringe marten
Where does that trink drop?
fringe marten
from Muezala?
sweet summit
"the manastorms"
open monolith
Meh. Pray for the Hakkar trinket
fringe marten
shoulda' looked at the loot list more carefully when I did my mythics
I got it already
open monolith
Good
fringe marten
I got the hakkar and the? heart one that procs damage/healing
I have a sinking feeling the shield on hakkar trinket will be nerfed; it's like 30% of your hp without additional targets atm...so it's really strong for current tier/gear.
open monolith
So for real though, anyone get Thunderlord yet?
sweet summit
open monolith
Well fuck that one guy
open monolith
Yeah
flint cliff
You guys prefer devastator or punish in 1st row?
fringe marten
Is there a haste proc trink in current tier?
fringe marten
I feel so slow/clunky compared to my end of BFA haste š¦
fringe marten
welp, off to work for today...g'luck warriors.
sweet summit
stay safe bud
narrow karma
@fringe marten Are you finding downtime in your rotation?
Or anyone else for that matter? I feel like I generally have all GCDs filled even with Devastator talent
sweet summit
defo have some dead gcds
narrow karma
In ST or MT?
narrow karma
That must be it. I guess in ST I prob use revenge too much instead of being responsible with rage to keep a specific amount for mitigation
timber nest
How much haste you got?
flint cliff
10%š©
open monolith
Every one knows the best use of rage at all times is revenge spam
Gotta pump
Pumpers gotta pump.
civic raft
there is any wa for spell reflect? or only pined guide?
ionic fern
#268491842637660160 protection section.
civic raft
thx
gloomy cradle
Is there a haste proc trink in current tier?
Field Anima emitter but requires you stay in the pool
young glen
So for real though, anyone get Thunderlord yet?
Yeah first time
honest plinth
šæ
gloomy cradle
It's confirmed to drop on normal as well correct? Only seen the paladin one as I've been farming..
strong forum
It does drop on normal, just kinda low
gloomy cradle
Yeah that's what I've seen too, did about 20 yday and nothing
Thankfully. It only takes ~15min on normal lol
still pagoda
fuck you, blizz
more almost meaningless grind now
these dailies are pretty chill and fast, but this is still a meh change
gloomy cradle
Virtually no effect long term, you'll have to do the fsrm anyway to get enough stygia for all the pieces regardless
Juet more time gating
pastel sleet
how often do yall use shattering throw?
sweet summit
Whenever tgere is an absorb
gloomy cradle
When farming thunder lord, on cd lol
sweet summit
Yuge dam
gloomy cradle
But yeah any absord you should be using
sick sentinel
So how hard is it gonna be to cross spec this xpac? I've yet to get to souldbinds and conduits, can you change those on the fly or is it permanent?
strong forum
Soulbinds themselves you can swap freely ( once you have multiple)
You can also change paths within a soulbind freely
sick sentinel
You just have those energy crystals that recharge once a day, I think
strong forum
But replacing conduits has a semi limited cost
sick sentinel
Okay so, lets say I have two soulbinds, one of them is for arms and the other is for prot? Are they like saved presets you can change?
I know these are shitty questions but its answers i cant find online.
strong forum
Somewhat
narrow karma
Is pretty much the only thing that heavily influenced dps
What about rows 3 & 6(hopefully UF!)?
strong forum
I can't honestly say if UF is actually more dps than Ravager
ionic fern
For ST it's actually Itf.
narrow karma
Oh sorry I meant AoE @ionic fern
narrow karma
Row 3? BSC is tempting me for the revenge spam but unsure if that is really any more dps than BV which I like
narrow karma
Cool I like BV anyway!
narrow karma
But I do like UF play style more than Ravager so I guess maybe Iām handicapping my AoE deeps that way
strong forum
I can't honestly answer that
ionic fern
BSC isn't dead. š
it depends how much Rage are you willing to put into it.
It can out DPS BV.
narrow karma
1 cheeky leego can change that
Which?
ionic fern
The thing it comes down to is that you actually just do not have the Rage to be used on Revenge.
This is 5 targets 2 minutes for example.
sick sentinel
Can you run condemn and still be competitive as a tank?
worthy ingot
how much haste is being used for that sim?
sick sentinel
Fair enough.
somber arrow
Whelp, condemn was fun while I had it. Moving over to the spear life
narrow karma
Ty
strong forum
If you're going for raw meme dps, you can play BSC + seismic, but you miss out on insane amounts of rage
Just to meme with revenge spam.
I don't like it and I won't recommend it. 
I'm selfish like that
narrow karma
Thundergods
Where does this drop?
sweet summit
spires
worthy ingot
it doesn't it is a lie
ionic fern
I mean, it's the right decision not recommending it -it assumes you would be using most of your Rage on Revenge and forego IP and possibly SB which in turn leads to poor survivability.
But the damage it can provide is still there.
It was fun to play in some lower keys tho.
Ancient Aftershock + Avatar Ravager + Revenge spam.
prisma gorge
Hey you bloody legends, hows your luck with TGV power drop? And does it vary chance on norms vs hc hs myth?
ionic fern
What's that?:)
shut summit
got it first run on normal š
just get it xd
normal or heroic w/e it was dont remember
sharp orbit
Guys serious discussion for now
has anyone tried https://www.wowhead.com/spell=308419/smothered-shank#comments
vocal sphinx
no but i want to now
sharp orbit
is there anyone who actually tested it against standard food?
its fucking expensive so I guess there is value to it?
shut summit
it used to be super good on beta but then got nerfed
havent tried on live
used to be puking instead of spitting fire too
kindred crypt
how much do I loose if I decide to main DD and tank casually and pick condemt because of that? :3
like dps and survivablity
vocal sphinx
So im just starting to gear up and damage taken feels super spiky. sitting at 7% vers and 23% mastery. does this just get better with gear?
sharp orbit
Nice for ST, you dont really find the time to cast it in aoe
but the souldbinds are nice
kindred crypt
its okay to offspec tank then?
civic rover
are you doing bleeding edge keys or top 50 world CE raiding?
if not, pick what you want.
civic rover
lol
condemn is good for bosses, and the venthyr teleport is great in M+. you'll be fine friend
kindred crypt
thank you :3
maiden ravine
Venthyr have the most impactful dungeon ability I feel in halls of atonement haha
quartz pond
can remove ww and execute from bars right?
civic rover
WW yes execute no
quartz pond
good
maiden ravine
Execute is big dam
strong forum
So im just starting to gear up and damage taken feels super spiky. sitting at 7%...
Vers and mastery has nothing to do with it
civic rover
execute phase makes me nut
strong forum
All you want is ilvl and haste, rest is somewhat irrelevant.
All you can do is play better
If you feel squishy, it is because you make mistakes or your healer and dps are terrible at their job.
Often you are indeed spiky because of the natural downtime of shieldblock and you tank unmitigated hits alot
civic rover
beginning of xpac low haste
strong forum
I'm at 15% haste rn so its quite okay tbh. Still missing a ton of haste pieces though
vocal sphinx
Thanks @strong forum! That's what i'll work on then. The bad healer thing is possible, none of my guys have a lot of SL experience but i'm still working out the execution too. Gonna look into healing pots as well
strong forum
Yeah don't squander on those
solar crown
Get your dps to interrupt stuff, its very common they dont because 'lol its only m0, uses to do 15+ im bfa'
At least thats the case for me
strong forum
Atleast it's alot of group attacks now
And not only tank focused attacks
Everybody gets shit on of they miss casts, not just the tank
Alot less focused tank dmg in dungeons, also more group dmg
solar crown
True, but that leads the healer to panic-heal the dps instead of the tank
And shit just spirals
Hm, 15% already, and i saw you wrote you had a boe 190 shield
Living the good life
royal marten
maiden ravine
Well have to remember the type of debuff it is and which classes can do it. No point yelling at a druid for not removing a disease
Oh buffs, that's even fewer classes
sweet summit
just be belf :)
steel mauve
and DH's
maiden ravine
That said I haven't had a hunter yet use tranq shot
barren verge
Hey guys, does anyone know which covenant is better for raid/m+?
maiden ravine
Like come on, you're going to let the giant gorgron smack me hunter?
frail blade
sweet summit
Q: What is the best Covenant choice?
A: Whichever Covenant you choose you can still do all your dailiy activities. For general purposes the order would be Kyrian >= Night Fae > Necrolord/Venthyr.
This order is not set in stone as Covenants are prone to be buffed and nerfed throughout Shadowlands.
open monolith
Friends
You can skip the miniboss in necrotic wake with priest mind soothe
This makes me very pleased.
worthy ingot
still trying to sort through trinkets, pvp haste+proc trinket worth investing upgrades in?
pvp trink+hakkar trink as a good for all scenarios set up
dense salmon
One question can legendarys drop in nhc dungeons, farming for thunderlords, but im not sure.
its in the loot pool
maiden ravine
Lowest chance since it has no lockout
dense salmon
ok thx
maiden ravine
The less repeatable something is, the higher the chance
A world boss we can only kill once a month, 100%
tardy parcel
In a similar vein - and simply because both my Shaman buddy and I are impressed at our stupendous lack of luck from Spires thus far - repeatable content can indeed drop the Memories beyond the first run of a week, right? aka it's not wasted energy running normals for it over and over (if we wanted to)?
steel mauve
as long as you can gain loot you should be able to get it after the first run
tardy parcel
cool!
steel mauve
once you're loot locked its useless, ie running raids over and over since you casn repeat normal, but you cant get loot after the first kill
odd ridge
Howās prot war dmg compared to other tanks? Middle of the pack?
tardy parcel
Sure. All of my Mythics are wrapped up for the week, as well as Heroic, so normal is kind of our only option lol
I've had several comments directed my way towards the high amount of damage I've been doing as pwarr so far, but that's incredibly anecdotal lol. It definitely feels good damage-wise.
worthy ingot
Haven't heard any talk about Memory of Sephuz, seems decent option for M+ it'll be up all the time, just charging into a pull will have it up every fight alone.
sharp orbit
Howās prot war dmg compared to other tanks? Middle of the pack?
depens on talents
and covenant
analog pivot
what are the bis legendaries for prot?
strong forum
Howās prot war dmg compared to other tanks? Middle of the pack?
We're up there, top 3 I'd say
restive cliff
Has anyone published stat weights I can throw into my mod?
strong forum
Ilvl >> haste>>>>vers=crit>mastery
Stat weights are a dead concept
Dont follow them through addons, just follow a general rule, the rest you sim
Sims will come out soon tm
analog pivot
wont i get an answer for my question?
worthy ingot
mastery>verse/crit on Sludgefist since he is pure melee attacks?
strong forum
Na
lavish trout
Does anyone know if aftershock scales with mastery like spear? to the point of broken?
strong forum
Everything scales with mastery
Everything from warrior*
As it increases attack power
And no, not to the point of broken, you'd need insurmountable amounts of mastery
worthy ingot
Nathria offers quite a bit of mastery, almost ever piece
worthy ingot
you don't see haste/vers in raid till the last 3 bosses
strong forum
Also I doubt that sludge fist will be such a problem that you wanna max out "block" gear
Other tanks don't have access to critblock and they will be able to get past him too
Just time your CDs and SBs properly, Bolster of HR should provide enough uptime on block
open monolith
Question that is mostly serious: isn't simming as prot kinda silly? I mean, I guess when you're stacked AF and no longer have to worry much about mitigation, you sim for DPS. Until that point, is it not better to just ignore Sim and stack the fuck out of Haste until you feel sufficiently tanky through SB uptime?
strong forum
Yea
Pretty much
You sim only for damage
For maximum defense, you just follow the simple ilvl rule.
open monolith
Armor + Stamina = tankymans
strong forum
As almost all of your survivability comes from playing the game, more than stats could cover for
S4 was a massive exception
Of covering your shit skills behind a layer of 110%vers
open monolith
Reading through all the mythic dungeon material available from mythictrap, wowhead, dungeon journal ETC makes me think that a LOT of our tankiness is going to be from bringing classes that can purge and soothe
lol
strong forum
Idk, haven't read up anything yet. I'll just wing it
open monolith
Hunter Mage Rogue Monkhealer is my ideal setup
but I'll just bring whoever because I don't actually care enough to minmax anything
coral marsh
when do you press whirlwind on prot?
ionic fern
Never
open monolith
literally never
coral marsh
arent there niche dps cases?
ionic fern
No.-
open monolith
no
quartz pond
execute is something i didnt know I wanted so much
open monolith
The hardest job a prot warrior has is ignoring the temptation of pressing execute when they need to save the rage for survivability
strong forum
arent there niche dps cases?
WW is just outright weaker than Revenge in every case, costs 10 rage more and is hardcapped at 5 targets
open monolith
"but but WW can hit behind me!"
and it also has a cooler animation and sound
so I guess, aesthetically, WW is the better choice
and aesthetics are everything
coral marsh
what are the best trinkets
open monolith
Hakkar Trinket + whatever
coral marsh
not gonna lie shadowlands prot feels like a retarded version of bfa
open monolith
I think it feels excellent.