#protection
strong forum
There's no meta yet
still pagoda
you can kite safely
strong forum
I severely doubt we'll see a true kiting meta again, you'll lack dps to kite like they did during the gear scaling on beta
Where sub rogue/frostmage/elesham was dumbfuck strong
still pagoda
still pagoda
still pagoda
if this will ever happen to your lazy ass ofc
brittle owl
kite meta would be ultra all inclusive
how to balance tanks: make them all shit and force them to kite
dense pivot
🐻
astral crystal
yeah The Bear Comes
w/e i tried
talkin bout huntsman dudelord with his bear friends
jolly thistle
new 9.1 patchnotes: 4-set bonus: BDK is now able to equip a shield
jolly thistle
astral crystal
🦍
uncut hemlock
Hey Guys, I saw the pinned about Kyrian its still the option even with the Pelagos Nerf?
brittle owl
yes
proud jacinth
nah, not a bis list, more a what drops where and off whom
still pagoda
it is quiet useless as per 
and that you won't be able to acquire it
ah, dungeon journal: Exists
proud jacinth
nice to know how you feel though
astral crystal
are world bosses gonna be up after tomorrow's reset?
still pagoda
no
astral crystal
kk
still pagoda
only on first raid reset
astral crystal
since blizzard added a selfie cam in response to how popular of a cultural affect it is back in WoD, you guys think there's any chance they might add a Kleia onlyfans?
timid venture
I joined discord today just in time to say you are wild for that
still pagoda
lucky you...
sweet summit
why are you like this :/
still pagoda
who knows
maybe i'm irritated by someone talking shit like "why would you not want to roll BDK for add-heavy fights" again
sweet summit
oh i was talking to atticusw
still pagoda
oh
astral crystal
that's a legitimate reason to feel rage though karton
lucid bough
imagine playing prot warrior instead of guardian in SL LUL
sweet summit
sterile pecan
Playing guardian if you didnt complete the Mage tower seems like a waste of time 😄
That bear ass is ugly
weak snow
is there a clear covenant winner if you play Fury in Raid and Prot in m+ ?
sterile pecan
Bastion i think
astral crystal
the stone bear is sick as hell
sterile pecan
The stone bear is great everything else is shit
lucid bough
the ursoc one is cooll too
sterile pecan
The one who looks like a christmas light?
lucid bough
no, thats the balance of power xD
sour sluice
i wish i would've done the mage tower so i could be a flaili boii
astral crystal
flail's cool, but it's the shield that does it for me
sterile pecan
Indeed, I didnt look into mage tower much when it was up, now im missing so many cool weapons
astral crystal
one of the cooler-looking shields in the gaym
lusty grotto
atticus
lucid bough
I did all tanks mage tower, the only one I missed that I now want its the ret one, i have the rest of melee
lucid bough
all melles but ret, did MW, resto shaman. No casters at all
lusty grotto
i did all healers too
of the tank classes
so rdruid mw hpal
basically all 3 or 4 of every class that has a tank spec
i wish i had done the mage one though
astral crystal
hello nimchimp
hollow sentinel
Hey all, which legendary is Bis for raid? 🤔
ionic fern
The Wall.
lusty grotto
esperando shadowlords
😄
still pagoda
also will be down to draka OF
down to Mikanikos blacksmithing Patreon
swolesmithing
hollow sentinel
Thanks!
still pagoda
It drops from the raid itself so you will run with tgv a bit anyway
grand drum
Where does tgv drop from
steady fiber
Hi all, going back to wow for shadowlands, and atm thinking to main Warrior (for tank) so it's solid pick or i should consider rolling for tanking something else for m15+ pushing ?
restive flax
I think tgv drops from some 5 man dungeon
ionic fern
Where does tgv drop from
Spires of Ascenssion
ionic fern
Hi all, going back to wow for shadowlands, and atm thinking to main Warrior (for...
Warrior will have no issues in the +15 pushing area. 🙂
steady fiber
and for build better to follow the wowhead one, or icy veins ? For prot
ionic fern
There are 2 builds right now.
Devastator/BV/Indom/Ravager/Bolster
and
Devastator/BV/Indom/UF/AM
Both of them will work fine for that key level.
steady fiber
Ravager - dps and UF build more tanky if i get it right
vocal skiff
What about dragon roar instead of BV?
modern brook
Droar sucks now
vocal skiff
Did they nerf it?
modern brook
target capped and it removed the 3x crit
ionic fern
Yes.
shut summit
still pagoda
vocal skiff
Big RIP
modern brook
they said "hang on prot has too many choices in the talent tree"
and removed it for us
still pagoda
Hello Sense
steady fiber
@ionic fern ty u my man for help 
modern brook
hi sense 👋
shut summit
👋
still pagoda
and i had another shitty talk about "picking the right tank"
modern brook
TGV makes vooming voice godly
final mist
No
modern brook
@still pagoda just pick the right tank 4head
ionic fern
ItF+Bolster for giga defensive, lets go. 
vocal skiff
Dragon Roar was fun though
final mist
So long as youtubers and streamers exist, they’ll always have a market in super try hard world 1000 raid leaders
still pagoda
it seems that the only thing that will help me is just ignoring 2 of our officers
modern brook
ItF+Bolster for giga defensive, lets go. <:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506>
im feeling the loss of haste so much from not having itf 😦
i cant even keep sb rolling 3 times anymore
ionic fern
You can still play ItF tho.
still pagoda
i cant even keep sb rolling 3 times anymore
i still can
ionic fern
So long as youtubers and streamers exist, they’ll always have a market in super ...
Sal YT channel when?
modern brook
You can still play ItF tho. <:yep:703420923625078804>
CHROTLE and lose RAVAGER?
modern brook
i still can
i havae like no haste on my gear still lol
final mist
You think anybody’ll listen to me when I’m in a world 30000 guild? 
modern brook
sittin pretty at like 12%
ionic fern
You think anybody’ll listen to me when I’m in a world 30000 guild? <:peepostudy:...
I mean..they listen to people who don't even play the classes they are explaining. 👀
final mist
That’s fair
modern brook
But they dont listen to karton
final mist
“Hey there demons, it’s me ya boi, I might be a super casual in a world 30,000 guild but here’s why you’re trash and you shouldn’t play warrior”
still pagoda
listen to Panthea
all the peeps who don't give a fuck and play their long time mains
ionic fern
“Hey there demons, it’s me ya boi, I might be a super casual in a world 30,000 g...
See, already got me interested.
still pagoda
even Slootbag of all people
steady fiber
But it's hard when many peeps are thinking that like Warrior tanks is shit, why? because 1 streamer was talking about it
and then it goes
final mist
“I don’t even play Prot anymore, I raid as DPS, that’s how trash it is”
still pagoda
"Why would you not grab BDK for add-heavy fight. You're not making sense"
final mist
“Still a better tank than you tho”
still pagoda
"Mekkatorkue required 2 DKs you don't understand"
quiet frankly
i progged mekka
and we had 1 DK
DPS DK
and it was enough
steady fiber
lel 2 dks
final mist
“Anyways play, fuck idk, dragon roar and ITF, they seem pretty decent”
ionic fern
I still remember seeing that YT video of a person explaining why Warriors are bad in m+ with a video of him sitting at 100 Rage and not using SB/IP.
😦
still pagoda
final mist
still pagoda
jagged pier
same mwahi same
still pagoda
GOD FORBID
steady fiber
U dnt get it Warrior needs to many IQ
jagged pier
😢
still pagoda
EVER MENTIONING THE NAME OF THIS HERETIC
final mist
I still don’t have a Mekka kill
ionic fern
😂
final mist
My guild sat me to make a DPS dk tank
sweet summit
capables fault tbh
ionic fern
😂
still pagoda
all you need for warri is cool transmog and high APM
final mist
He only did about 3k DPS too
ionic fern
Who couldn’t tank for more than 5 consecutive seconds
Sounds like me on my BDK tbh
still pagoda
final mist
I was very upsetti
warped spruce
I am preparing myself to be refused in PUG for low keys 'cause I didn't choose Kyrian but Venthyr, that will be awesome, can't wait
steady fiber
all you need for warri is cool transmog and high APM
shut summit
Loved when that happened to sal, just non stop messaging me about it
still pagoda
mythic nya set
shut summit
Rofl
still pagoda
closed it no warri
still pagoda
Loved when that happened to sal, just non stop messaging me about it
lul, seriously?
final mist
I mean if he was halfway decent it’d be one thing but like
shut summit
He was pist
still pagoda
@TheSteve [Proj] @Lincoln - Wowhead Prot The key with balance is that you can't balance everything out perfectly. The example i shall provide is 8.3(and the problem of general community becoming more and more meta-driven for no reason).
While some things stayed completely unbalanced(healers...), tank balance was consistent throughout most of that patch with dominance of prot warrior becoming a thing only in the highest keys, while as keys below +28 were completed by all tanks, which is a pretty good sign that even specs with less favourable mitigation profiles(BDK as the finest example) were able to compete on a level beyond what 99% of the community is able to do(just as i am a lowkey casual dude who ran 22's on my warrior as my long-standing main for 4 years by now).
The key is that you can't balance shit by 0% difference due to completely different designs and styles of play incorporated in every single tank spec. Every spec has its own damage/healing/mitigation profile that is unique to it, and it is a pain to balance all the things to stay within 0.1% of each-other. So, my point of assumption, just as the one Steve mentioned in his message earlier, is when every spec of the role can complete said content on par outside of world first race and outstandingly high keys with the level of scaling we've seen in BfA(30+ keys for reference to such), then that aspect is balanced
fuck it, i'm unburying my month old pasta
final mist
I argued with my RL about it for like three weeks beforehand and then had to sit through weeks of prog watching it happen while my cotank malded in DMs about it
still pagoda
about that shit
ionic fern
Sounds like fun.
final mist
still pagoda
I argued with my RL about it for like three weeks beforehand and then had to sit...
i'm arguing with officers while RL/GM chills and is completely fine with me going with prot warrior
steady fiber
Btw there is Docs or something like Bfa had, for what warrior can block / SP ?
final mist
Eh fuck officers, they’re trash and usually useless
civic rover
tell your officers to shut up
modern brook
fuck the police
civic rover
like literally go in discord VC
still pagoda
Sense made new one
civic rover
and just say "shut the fuck up idiot"
steady fiber
Where i can find it 😄
still pagoda
modern brook
its in #268491842637660160
still pagoda
oh
steady fiber
modern brook
@shut summit
civic rover
idk how im an officer tbh
shut summit
modern brook
❤️ thanks
civic rover
i literally don't do anything, i log in like two times a week outside of raid to do keys unless guildies need me for something
steady fiber
@shut summit Ty Lord
modern brook
more than most ppl tbh
still pagoda
still pagoda
i literally don't do anything, i log in like two times a week outside of raid to...
i once was a recruitment officer in one guild back on RU alli
shut summit
Shit for sure is gonna be changed from then to now, so be wary
still pagoda
actual hell
shut summit
Stopped playing beta past few months
civic rover
like idk, my guild just doesn't have drama ig? we've all known each other for a long time and raided together since legion.
still pagoda
Shit for sure is gonna be changed from then to now, so be wary
i kinda feel that phys attacks of sword on Sire will be removed from reflectable/deflectable category
shut summit
still pagoda
anyway this raid is reflect city
and people say that "prot bad"
and that "play DK"
idgaf
strong forum
My guild sat me to make a DPS dk tank
On mekka torque?
modern brook
honestly im looking forward to SR on DPS specs
civic rover
what's more interesting to me
modern brook
lots of shit was reflectable in BFA but it never went on tanks unless ur group was dead already
civic rover
is that guilds often knowingly recruit a tank who's not a multiclass/generalist tank, and then expect them to switch on the fly
modern brook
if only the dps specs were playable 😬
strong forum
Pwar could literally tank Mekka for days, my bdk cotank only taunted once every decade to reset the stacking buff
still pagoda
lots of shit was reflectable in BFA but it never went on tanks unless ur group w...
this time around, it also includes tank nukes
modern brook
Pwar could literally tank Mekka for days, my bdk cotank only taunted once every ...
you're nota ccounting for the utility that we didnt have
final mist
They wanted mass grip for add control, on account of that being “a DPS increase”
strong forum
Fucking sperg guild of yours lmao. 1 dk is plenty
still pagoda
still pagoda
Fucking sperg guild of yours lmao. 1 dk is plenty
it was plenty for WR25 kill
strong forum
Doesn't even have to be bdk
still pagoda
<Future> amirite
final mist
That was an argument I made
shut summit
Yea we used dps dk and ring of peace / druid knocks
strong forum
Yup
final mist
We had like 2 boomkins, mages, shamans, DKs etc, no need for mass grip
shut summit
Easily controllable
strong forum
Aaaah im getting tilted
final mist
Esp when you’re trading a tank who knows what he’s doing for one who can’t tank and did basically pure AA damage
strong forum
WTF
civic rover
ye a lot of dps specs had the utility for that fight
still pagoda
one day i talked with GM about tank choices and we both agreed that i can choose whatever i'm comfortable is while having DK alt.
On the next day i see this from one of the officers(Who's also my co-tank):
_
Karton: ofcourse it matters. If you and I can make the job of the healers easier, Why shouldnt we?
I’ve mained paladin since Vanilla, and ofc would like to raid with it as a main. Already told the others that I will not play paladin in raid unless atleast top 3, or we can do some massive cheese strats with it.
The goal of the guild is to push ranks. And sure as you say, tank choice has a bigger impact top 10 rank. But if playing a different tank than what we would pref in order to climb ranks with our guild, then it’s an easy choice imo.
Same goes to other roles aswell_
modern brook
but fatboss said u have to ues gorefiends :^(
civic rover
having a BDK was def not a requirement.
still pagoda
what a hilarious shitstorm this tier will be just by what i already had to talk about
shut summit
Lol
final mist
It wasn’t, but it was bound to happen with that RL
strong forum
Tanks 👏 aren't 👏 the 👏 factor 👏 for 👏 World 👏 Ranking 👏
still pagoda
Tanks 👏 aren't 👏 the 👏 factor 👏 for 👏 World 👏 Ranking 👏 [2]
civic rover
BUT METHOD USED 2 BREWMASTERS IN NYALOTHA 😡
still pagoda
It wasn’t, but it was *bound* to happen with that RL
unironically, my GM is chill with my choice
so i'm surely good to stay
- warri is a powerhouse
that people overlook 24/7
strong forum
Just play last stand conduit
still pagoda
^
strong forum
And you have wheelchair lucid
modern brook
U ever read 1 flew over the cuckoo's nest?
sweet summit
no i cant read :/
still pagoda
7 hours to go
final mist
I’m not smart enough for that
sweet summit
yeah i dont get it
final mist
Explain things to me like I’m Dr. Mundo pls
still pagoda
Explain things to me like I’m Dr. Mundo pls
you know who's dumber
all the low elo yasuo/yone players
modern brook
the fuck is a yasuo
sweet summit
an edgy weeb
strong forum
He apparently has a key or smth
sweet summit
nice one
sweet summit
:/
still pagoda
civic rover
playing bard has increased my IQ and decreased it at the same time
still pagoda
Throwing some Intelligence into this STR-spec discord tbh
my Fallout New Vegas playthrough was with 4STR 7INT
modern brook
playing bard has increased my IQ and decreased it at the same time
this made me laugh even though i feel like im being left out cause idk who any of these champions are
still pagoda
modern brook
modern brook
yikes how
still pagoda
my Dark Souls build is always sword&board knight
modern brook
theres like 60 hours of actual things to do
modern brook
if it makes u happy i guess
civic rover
my girlfriend has almost 3k on fallout 4
still pagoda
civic rover
i played through it once
modern brook
but the rest of the game is snore
civic rover
i thought it was cool but i was like "this is literally skyrim with guns"
still pagoda
Fallout 3 is the one that stands out the most
strong forum
Exactly
modern brook
and the choice to voice act the main chracter ruined everything
still pagoda
FNV is at least smoothed out by its setting
civic rover
i've been playing a lot of morrowind recently though
still pagoda
which is a direct sequel to Fallout 2
modern brook
i dig morrowind a lot
civic rover
if you can get past the 2002 graphics it's actually a really fun game
modern brook
but im aware im biased cause its the one i played when i was a kid
cause my computer couldnt run oblivion when it came out
civic rover
oof size LARGE
civic rover
yea i played through oblivion once or twice too
modern brook
oblivion looks objectively worse than morrowind, dont @ me
civic rover
both morrowind and oblivion are better than skyrim imo
modern brook
i think those are correct opinions tbh
civic rover
but skyrim has so many mods so i just keep going back to it
modern brook
Skyrim really feels like it relys on hte radiant system to pad out its game
civic rover
skyrims problem is it eventually forces dragons on you in some way shape or form
like yeah, dragons are cool
but not when i'm just trying to wipe out the stormcloaks and some dragon just flys out of nowhere and burns everything
modern brook
Skyrim, without mods at least, is just empty
modern brook
I mean compared to like morrowind
civic rover
ok yeah
modern brook
the game relies on radiant quests to like fill it
civic rover
but morrowind is bis
modern brook
but the raidant quests are just like "go here and opena chest, but for a mage this time"
and its like yeah ima do that anyways dude
thats the point of an immersive sim
civic rover
but you know i got a good 800 hours before i felt the need to play around with mods
still pagoda
Tanks 👏 aren't 👏 the 👏 factor 👏 for 👏 World 👏 Ranking 👏
tbh, arguments in the likes of "but it makes it easier" are my favourite since it makes it easier only on the level where it is actually hard(WF)
beyond that difficulty drops to the point where switching tank class becomes a marginal change that you won't even notice
or may, but it will be only worse because the player is not good or not accustomed to tanking on that said spec in raid environment
well, i rigged my alt choice to be so that no one can warrant pushing me off my warri "because we need X thing"
they won't be able anyway
devout pike
hey guys new here, for prot warrior you guys going kyrian right? with thunderlord legendary for mythic and probably shield wall for raids and pvp?
saw that on wowhead so i wanted to confirm
still pagoda
Icy-Veins guide was already updated. Just as wowhead one
both are approved
but yeah, kyrian and night fae are the strongest with former being better
strong forum
tbh, arguments in the likes of "but it makes it easier" are my favourite since i...
my initial response would be, your mum makes it easier
wispy tundra
See you guys on the other side 🤎
still pagoda
my initial response would be, your mum makes it easier
shall i remind you that your guild is 4chan guild?
in my case, i've brought up examples of multiple "off-meta" WR10-100 kills through different tiers and bosses and went away as i have much better stuff to do
cleaning out the snow and clearing out routes through the garden before it all covers in ice is much more important than arguing with officers in WoW guild
strong forum
factual
devout pike
ty karton 🙂
wheat jasper
hey guys. there used to be a charge/intervene macro in the pins but i can't find it anymore. anyone got it by chance?
chilly brook
but you know i got a good 800 hours before i felt the need to play around with m...
You are a better man than I, also unfortunately I can't get into Morrowind fuck the skill system and the min maxing you have to do in skill increases to actually make leveling up worth it
still pagoda
it was in #shadowlands-protection
@sweet summit
please, give the new guy charge/intervene macro
sweet summit
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, exists] Intervene
/cast [exists, harm] Charge
wheat jasper
appreciated
sweet summit
x)
sand condor
how many legendaries can you have equipped just one?
chilly brook
Yes just 1
ebon lark
i think Ion said in an interview by the end of SL we'll have 4 equippable?
maiden ravine
Interviews have implied we'll get more than one eventually. 4 I'd doubt
tardy parcel
I'd be surprised if we can't hold 2 by the end of the expansion. All just pure speculation at this point though lol
ebon lark
I've misinterpreted Ion's intellectual-lawyer speak before
pulsar marsh
is leveling as prot advisable or do you recommend Fury?
modern brook
which makes u happier
primal saddle
fury was always hardcaped to 5
strong forum
exactly
primal saddle
regen on fury is nice though
primal saddle
and oftern leveling tanks is slow
strong forum
never heard of that
still pagoda
and oftern leveling tanks is slow
chainpull and aoe farm and it will be the fastest thing in the world
dense pivot
is it usually possible to omegapull on release?
primal saddle
well i leveled a some tanks recently killed mobs slower than i did on a dps
also did a similar thing on bfa launch
dense pivot
Idk, seems like trouble, depending on the spawns, I think it's faster to just kill stuff with dps spec instead of running around gathering a mob
primal saddle
also it wouldnt really matter tonight cus one you might not even be able to log and 2 we are just gona be running around tagging things
void cradle
Guys, what covennant are you going in SL as protect?
dense pivot
ah yeah that's true
chrome plover
im thinking kiryian still for warrior
void cradle
Why?
chrome plover
need that magic dmg reduction for raid, and the potion takes away bleed
which is huge for the raid
void cradle
And are there other options?
chrome plover
I was reading the night fae might be a good option as well
void cradle
Bleed? Is there a lot of bleed skills in SL raids?
distant crystal
so that potion still works for the boss bleed ppl care about?
primal saddle
no
distant crystal
they nerfed it so stoneform doesn't work didn't they?
primal saddle
it does not
distant crystal
ah
void cradle
Then BDK is may be better option for SL raids, with magic reductions
primal saddle
well it works on heroic and normal
chrome plover
oh interesting
primal saddle
spell refelct but also alot of our stuff is just flat dmg reduction so it doesnt matter that blood has hard mitgate too much
when they are wheelchairs anyway
strong forum
people keep mentioning bdk with magic reduction
primal saddle
think about mythic vex and how many fucking Blood dks have to be preist pulled to not get clapped
strong forum
when VDH literally has 21% Magic dmg reduction
by just existing
and better healing
primal saddle
it has anti magic shel andd the biger anti magic shel
visual drift
me as tank noob. and after take a look at guides. Arms and Prot share nearly the same stats. So there is no problem switching between both spec right?
void cradle
I will wait for some numbers after 1 weak, how is warr vs other tanks
signal plover
Man I was like, why is my skyhold so quiet...turns out glorious SL chat got nuked and all other channels were muted.
strong forum
in SL arms will want Crit/Mastery instead of haste focused gear
signal plover
So we back here eh bois
strong forum
so that doesnt really apply sadly anymore
primal saddle
i mean alkl of the tanks looked very similar through pre patch and they all looked very similar through the beta
chrome plover
Yeah
void cradle
and what about protect? haste and versatility?
chrome plover
Prot was lower tier but by very little and i think with the changes to kryian they have moved up
primal saddle
they are all viable but if things move towards kiteing you will want one of the 3 tanks that can actualy kite
being us monk or DH
void cradle
other tanks can´t?
chrome plover
yeah DH is top right now for mythics and monk is top for raiding
signal plover
Not as well
distant crystal
dk/pally kinda need slowable mobs to kite
cause they're slowmo
and often the mobs you want to kite most are the ones that are immune to slows/stuns
signal plover
Tanks are in a good spot
void cradle
Zandalari troll tank with Gong 5% can help
signal plover
I'm curious if they're gonna tune Kyrian/NF again today
chrome plover
watching wowhead they are releasing changes as we talk
signal plover
Ya
chrome plover
warlock and hunter
signal plover
Rumor is every class getting final pass
chrome plover
its refreshing that they are taking so much care with this
signal plover
I don't envy the guide writers lol
void cradle
I hope we get something too
jolly thistle
no more changes pls
signal plover
If anything they'd slap spear a bit
jolly thistle
revert DR maybe 🤔
void cradle
I want shield in 1 hand and 2h spear in other hand
this means to be real tank for me
signal plover
Go play FF
void cradle
Like king Leonidas or so
void cradle
This tank have a spear
strong forum
chilly brook
They really do need to revert the DR changes
signal plover
IonPlz
acoustic stratus
inb4 madlads who go necro get a giant buff last minute
signal plover
I mean, we'd all be those madlads then ;)
strong forum
i wouldnt
still pagoda
signal plover
Y u no wanna draka simp
strong forum
they'd need to destroy kyrian potion and overbuff banner by miles
signal plover
Imagine banner now does aoe dam
(I know, nothing beyond number tuning is gonna happen)
9.1 tho
It's the Kyrian life for da bois
chilly brook
If banner is good
still pagoda
and lower its duration accordingly
chilly brook
You're inting if you're not necrolord
chilly brook
But again that's if its good
Because design wise they can't make the group buff good without making it the oppressive option
quartz mist
Yo all, what convenant should we go with for prot?
buoyant patrol
Have there been prot wars trying out condemn during beta?
Main is dps in raid but would like to be able to do 15’s as tank
Is spear important or can live without?
chilly brook
Have there been prot wars trying out condemn during beta?
Main is dps in raid bu...
You'll be fine
strong forum
you can easily tank 15s even without a covenant picked at all
chilly brook
Yo all, what convenant should we go with for prot?
Kyrian if you want to be optimal
strong forum
a covenant wont make or break anything outside of WF top end keys
buoyant patrol
Frustrating cause spear really seems like added value compared to useless condemn as prot xD
strong forum
it do be like that
buoyant patrol
For sure but in the early weeks where we don’t have gear it could have influenced
Thinking about when you are geared 200-210ilvl
still pagoda
For sure but in the early weeks where we don’t have gear it could have influence...
not really
if you pace it out and don't go for absolute WF performance, you'll be fine
buoyant patrol
Awesome thanks fam
grand drum
Whats a 15 in SL equal to in bfa for those that played beta?
mental scarab
15 with the same gear to key lvl ratio in bfa🤓
signal plover
Ya the reward structure is usually the key
mental scarab
Weird thing to ask🤷🏼♂️ a 15 is a 15
signal plover
There were seasons where rewards capped lower so not rly weird
torpid granite
i see alot of people saying DH are top raid tanks?
mental scarab
They are gonna smack dho before we get a good shield thats for sure
signal plover
Raid tanks are basically BRM + whatever class brings some cheese or special utility to fight
topaz zenith
when are the changes revealed for warr
split portal
Is Dragon Roar still better than Booming Voice, even after Dragon Roar has been nerfed?
deep steppe
BV is the go to in that row as far as i know @split portal
split portal
Used to be dr before nerf though, correct?
topaz zenith
Dragon roar cause dragons are cool
deep steppe
it was DR if you didn't use the TGV lego
but since TGV is the first lego you'll make, add that with the DR nerf
BV is the pick
deep steppe
yep yep
You'll want the make The Wall Lego eventually, but you can't get that till raid comes out so
TGV it is
split portal
Gotcha, was kind of thinking the nerf sounds pretty bad
deep steppe
it was a big sad
split portal
Yea
civic rover
is tgv thunderlord?
still pagoda
well, get TGV and stockpile everything else for mythic week
the best solution to avoid getting fucked by blizz
signal plover
Yeah I'll prolly go tgv first anyway since plenty of adds in raid
deep steppe
@still pagoda TGV should be on shoulders yeah?
still pagoda
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak
proud dagger
Hey all 👋
New to the group and wanted to say hi.
I normally play warrior as an alt, but I’m playing prot warrior in SL for the raid team I’m on, any tips would be greatly appreciated.
still pagoda
shamelessly pulling from DK discord
deep steppe
wait its the wall thats shoulders
still pagoda
i don't remember myself
civic rover
thunderlords is hands or feet
still pagoda
so imma put my leggos on best available pieces anyway
jagged pier
: hippo :
deep steppe
modern brook
Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders
>= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > W...
does this take tier into account
or is it just a stat run down
warm apex
Will it be viable to tank heroic dungeons and mythic 0s while using upgrades I gather in Arms spec? Just to simply gain my DPS gear while tanking?
modern brook
IT'll be hard to block with a 2 hander but otherwise yeah np
warm apex
Oh, I will try to snag a 1H and Shield for sure while tanking
Just my loot spec will be set to Arms in general
modern brook
should be fine yeah
strong forum
Hey all 👋
New to the group and wanted to say hi.
I normally play warrior as ...
if youre new to tanking and prot warrior, the icy veins or wowhead guides are great places to start
modern brook
historically defensive trinkets suck so once i get good weapons i usually just throw it on arms anyways
strong forum
for more specific questions you can ask away in here
still pagoda
does this take tier into account
stat rundown
no tier in Castle Nathria
later on, adjust accordingly
modern brook
there were timesin bfa where i literally couldnt afford a repair bill
so with the expected price gouging on legendaries im trying to be efficient
still pagoda
just as i did have such times
200k gold evaporated in a single tier
with ghuun prog eating out a lot
rip almost my first CE
civic rover
my guild supplies all consumables so i'm rich
still pagoda
ready to grind
modern brook
must be nice
still pagoda
don't look at the time played on my warri, you know i'm insane
modern brook
straight stealing content
modern brook
î have 4% more crit though
this i makes me laugh and i dont know why
still pagoda
so, get dabbed on
i have 140/485 weapon
strong forum
also glaives
still pagoda
so it is you who gets dabbed on
sweet summit
vulpera=insta loose
civic rover
imagine not having all sockets
strong forum
no other race can do that
civic rover
yeah but why the fuck would you tank as a furry
modern brook
I'm being lmao'd by a vulpera T-T
civic rover
aye what's the keybind to hide elvui
sweet summit
na it just shows on details so it looks good :v)
modern brook
i hit it all the time cause z is crimson vial and alt is my ptt
sweet summit
not using alt as a mod :/
modern brook
i use it as a mod too :^)
sweet summit
o fair enough
modern brook
it shifts my stances and it also is used to hide my ui :^)
sweet summit
civic rover
sorry for poopy screenshot my monitor is bad
modern brook
UHHH I MEAN Z IS FOR SHIELD BLOCK
still pagoda
modern brook
and Alt [1-0] is for REVENJ
civic rover
fem blood elf
modern brook
still pagoda
sweet summit
:/
civic rover
jolly thistle
dwarf
modern brook
i like :warrior: and the jam cat but im not cool enough for either
civic rover
modern brook
bro
civic rover
if you aren't paying $5 a month to have animated cat emotes what tf u doin
still pagoda
civic rover
modern brook
someone gift me nitro plz
sweet summit
what do i get in return
civic rover
yeah you gonna tank my key?
modern brook
U get me being able to do :warrior: :^)
civic rover
my DK has a 16 freehold, i can go unholy.
signal plover
civic rover
modern brook
@civic rover i can tank that no problem if it still exists
signal plover
Hit it bois
civic rover
signal plover
sweet summit
how much is nitro
strong forum
5 bucks
sweet summit
o
sweet summit
pastel sleet
are we haste verse again this patch?
ionic fern
Pretty much the same as it was before with even more emphasis on ilvl.
still pagoda
ilvl > haste > crit = vers
civic rover
haste crit 😳
strong forum
ilvl >>> haste > crit =vers ye
modern brook
i t s t i m e t o p a r t y
still pagoda
THICC DR CRITZ
deep steppe
strong forum
crit block is mastery tho...
deep steppe
shhhhhhh
strong forum
deep steppe
shhhh sh sh
modern brook
Party is crit
still pagoda
deep steppe
astral crystal
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SHADOWLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDS
lusty grotto
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
limpid pawn
hey, other than battle rez, what is the benefit of engineering in shadowlands?
woven kiln
boots?
limpid pawn
is there like some belt utility or something else that it brings?
chilly brook
woven kiln
(belt)
chilly brook
Seems quite interesting
limpid pawn
auction house?
chilly brook
In oribos
limpid pawn
what?1
hollow bolt
yep
limpid pawn
isn't that insane
limpid pawn
blink is like one of the strongest abilities
woven kiln
let the gods decide
hollow bolt
could blink into something, blink into what ur kiting, blink off the edge
woven kiln
have faith and it will work
chilly brook
Oh also
hollow bolt
or set every time
hollow bolt
nades can be nice eng helmet is decent
limpid pawn
banish?
limpid pawn
are these things any class can use?
chilly brook
Yes
limpid pawn
ok, so mage currently has engy/alch
worth dropping engy for tailoring?
for legendary crafting purposes?
chilly brook
Although iirc you dont have to be an engineer to use the soul trap banish item
Oh and wormhole is gonna be nice for getting around at the start of the expac
woven kiln
professions are reset to 1 or can we power level for the next 4 hours?
chilly brook
It's going to be a completely different profession
You're going to have to get shadowlands [insert profession here] proficiency
Just like Legion
And BFA
woven kiln
so there's no advantage to increasing engi levels now before SL? I haven't touched professions in ages
chilly brook
No
woven kiln
cool
chilly brook
Especially not after the nerfs to all the old crafting items
frozen moat
Prot viable with vent too or i habe to Level another warrior?
ionic fern
Will you be pushing world first keys/raiding as prot?
frozen moat
Maybe i want to join a raid (havent played Since mop) and back then i was in a world 500 raid - so no, its clearly not about First kills or smth, just curious about some rumors that it is quiet Hard to find random groups with something Else than the Perfect match
chilly brook
Definitely not gonna make joining random groups super easy by not playing meta but I mean it you're a good player your IO and your logs will speak for themselves
modern brook
These a lot of negative confirmation bias wrt to pugging
Where people say "prot warrior is bad"
then take you cause its better than waiting in queue for 9 hours
then they never kick/dispell anything
and blame the tank for dying
chilly brook
Made a lot of people into prot warrior believers in 8.0 when prot was "horrible" just because I actually knew how to play
modern brook
You'll find you have no problem completing content assuming the people you're with arent absolute baboons
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
modern brook
^
8.0 was the best
You'd show up
hit a grey parse for protwarrior
and still otudps everyone
frozen moat
I think my io Score is Below Zero After no raiding 3 Addons After All no?
modern brook
His last season's will also be 0 though
chilly brook
Wont matter
modern brook
which will generally mean he has to do lower keys to build it up
woven kiln
@frozen moat I pugged a lot of BFA as our raid team retired for the xpac. It was on a few tanks, lots of M+. You only get people pushing you out of groups for not playing the 'meta' tank in the early to mid 20s. I have never seen this world where people say 'not invited because bad class', honestly I think it's just an exaggeration based on a bad experience.
modern brook
which is honestly a good thing considering hes returning
chilly brook
Everyone is gonna be starting with low keys to begin with anyways
jolly thistle
hey, other than battle rez, what is the benefit of engineering in shadowlands?
you can still use the bfa knockback belt afaik
rotund canyon
What tank alts are you guys gonna gear?
sweet summit
Another warrior
modern brook
Warlock :^)
ionic fern
Paladin because @wooden radish promised to teach me.
wooden radish
Hi
ionic fern
👋
wooden radish
Join the light based vampires
ionic fern
That sounds like Twilight.
torn knoll
I'm just stubborn and like prot warrior so im sticking with it
Itll buff out about mid season or so
woven kiln
the margins between the tanks are significantly smaller than the margins between average performance between players
timber nest
So Kyrian got nerfed earlier today?
modern brook
since so much of it is knowing
@strong forum when are you streaming 😠
i was promised 20 hours
strange night
So Kyrian got nerfed earlier today?
What kind of nerf are we talking about ?
timber nest
I dont know, im trying to figure it out. Watching thdlock and he mentioned kyrian nerf. Not sure if its only for lock or all specs
strong forum
i was promised 20 hours
when its time to do smth
ill chill until like 1130
so 3hrs
already awake for 6hrs so thats sucky, tryna conserve energy
strong forum
cant go to bed
cuz servers are shitting themselves already
and i dont want login q
modern brook
yeah fine 😠
strong forum
took me 2 minutes to buy healthpots
but looking back idk what i could even use them for
cuz lmao indom
modern brook
Meanwhile i tried to do a key on beta and literally 0 groups.
i tried to do a key last night
and the only keys being ran were twitch streamers desperately trying to reach affiliate
still pagoda
Meanwhile i tried to do a key on beta and literally 0 groups.
because it's 3 hours till launch
honest plinth
3h till fiesta
still pagoda
now i'm on login sreen again
jolly cradle
My grandpa already told me the saying „Never play on a patch day“ 😩
still pagoda
last 2 launches were great
honest plinth
do it you are fockin warrior
still pagoda
woven kiln
civic rover
where yall parking your toons for launch?
sick sentinel
with the recent changes, are you guys taking kyrian or nightfae for prot?
civic rover
kyrian is better but they're both good
sick sentinel
both are now listed as "excellent" on wowhead
woven kiln
kyrian, will go night fae after the tier is over and m+
civic rover
kyrian has the rook transmog so im going kyrian
sick sentinel
I think I'ma go Kyrian as a jack of all trades type of eal
narrow karma
Does NF ability count as interruptions for Niya poison?
sweet surge
Can you use Night Fae's Soulshape fox thingie in combat? Does combat cancel it?
little herald
Combat doesn't cancel but attacking does
floral stream
Trying to do fury and prot is venth terrible for prot?
lethal mauve
I hope not.. i've had my heart set on venth
civic rover
if you're not doing bleeding edge keys it literally doesn't matter what you pick
floral stream
I'm a hardcore gamer. Just kidding I'm a casual gamer dad.
ionic fern
Kyrian>=Night Fae > Necro > Venthyr for m+.
honest plinth
pelagos im coomin
grand drum
Pepegos
crisp dragon
Whats the best legendary for prot warr?
maiden ravine
Necro better than Venthyr for m+? Oof, I would pick the worst dungeon ability on warrior, I still like condemn though
strong forum
Whats the best legendary for prot warr?
Thunderlord for m+
The Wall for raid
civic rover
nome you gonna get WF 60?
woven kiln
oh dear, frozen on login
civic rover
lmao
woven kiln
can't even get to character select screen
civic rover
newsflash: servers crash during xpac launch
woven kiln
maybe in like, 2016
brittle owl
imagine playing at expansion launch in 2020
woven kiln
expansion launch? Imma farm azerite on islands
brittle owl
brittle owl
das whatchu get son
woven kiln
I got your spot
jolly thistle
too old, I’m going to bed, cause work tomorrow
woven kiln
work isn't till 9 dw
jolly thistle
idc about leveling fast. There’s nothing to do in the first week anyway
cosmic canyon
Anexor, call in sick
jolly thistle
no never
woven kiln
if you're not going for server first 60 are you even a gamer?
stable flower
2 hours till servers crash, warrior or monk as a main for tank and dps?
cosmic canyon
Never? you some kind of superhuman that is never sick? gief pwr plx
See you tomorrow anex, jokes aside.
hf at work
chilly brook
2 hours till servers crash, warrior or monk as a main for tank and dps?
Whichever you like more lmao
chilly brook
Go with your heart
stable flower
Transmog
My heart is torn, every dnd game I play is either a monk, Barb, or fighter. They are my SOUL
Paladin, in my head, is a warrior monk
woven kiln
I couldn't imaging maining anything other than a fighter/warrior
silent grove
Same
waxen cradle
Can you guys link the charge/intervene macro I dont know why but I dont have it anymore
ionic fern
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
sweet kayak
Hey guys, what's the best covenant for protection warrior?
ionic fern
Kyrian >= Night Fae.
sweet kayak
Thank you 🙂
ionic fern
👍
wispy tundra
Lol 😂
sturdy nacelle
really wanted venthyr 😫
ionic fern
Just go Venthyr then. 😉
civic rover
bruh the rook armor is literally so sick
wispy tundra
My friend who plays priest is doing that
wispy ledge
i only prepped 2 warriors 2dks for that scenario
cosmic canyon
Podtender have you drop threat when you 'die' ?
how likely is it that you then will perma die after 10 seconds?
cosmic canyon
assume I die right, and threat goes to next person
then they could kite
and in 10 sec i'd be alive with 100% hp assuming I got some kind of heals during that time?
podtender is like a pug combat res
lol it always takes 10sec + 😛
I can see Soothing voice in open world and thunderstuck being a real annoyance
lusty marsh
With devastator what is my filler?
ionic fern
You don't have a Filler when running Devastator.
lusty marsh
So You just get open globals sometimes?