protection

[mellow patio]

Can I pipe

[strong forum]

and good offensively if you cheese with chicken

[mellow patio]

Oh I am not skilled enough for that

[chilly brook]

Yea but you actually have a competent raid leader who isn't drinking the words of streamers straight off their teat

[strong forum]

bear is very good rn tbh

[mellow patio]

I mean I’ll get hawgbear to 60 regardless

[civic rover]

bear feels really good on beta

i've been going the venthyr+incarn build, if you do big pulls your damage pops off.

[frosty scarab]

@civic rover Dragon Soul HC is purple

[strong forum]

the thrash leggo absorb also bypasses necrotic

for some reason

idk if fixed yet tho

[maiden ravine]

I hope it is

[civic rover]

thanks friend

[maiden ravine]

Even if I'm maining bear I don't want that to make the first necrotic week

[frosty scarab]

Might not be the look you are looking for, but that one popped in my mind. And its weird i cant think of more, since i own 58/60 transmog sets on the warrior. Only lacking a few lfr recolors. But own "all colors" of most sets

[strong forum]

the paladin T2 recolour TBC dungeon set

[civic rover]

ye i'm trying to think of something to use the purple hidden artifact appearance with

[strong forum]

also purple

[frosty scarab]

Yeah indeed it is

[strong forum]

oh good luck with that

[civic rover]

it's a shame that there's not much to go with it, it's really cool.

[frosty scarab]

Yeah that hidden artifact purple is a whole different purple i think

[strong forum]

T2.5 also purple but too bright

[maiden ravine]

I actually forget that one.

[strong forum]

im trying to remember what i used the purple one with

[maiden ravine]

that version of the legion artifact

[civic rover]

currently using the ulduar set with the mage tower appearance tho it's pretty sick

[maiden ravine]

alliance legion season 1 works. 😄

[frosty scarab]

Yeah that looks nice

The ulduar stuff

[strong forum]

this works

[civic rover]

is it horde only?

[strong forum]

no

[civic rover]

im alliance now

[strong forum]

its dungeon 3 set

i think

[civic rover]

can u dm the specific pieces

ok

[strong forum]

TBC

doomplate set

[civic rover]

aight sick

[maiden ravine]

@civic rover For alliance and that weapon, I would say legion season 1 pvp, it's purple for alliance and shares the same "dragon" theme

[frosty scarab]

Not sure why i switched from vulpie to blood elf lately. When i see vulpera warriors i do miss it😂

[civic rover]

i dont do pvp

[autumn pendant]

Furries out

[maiden ravine]

not even random bgs for marks of honor?

[frosty scarab]

The full appearance "kit" is only 12 marks of honor. Which is just a few bgs generally.

[civic rover]

wait really

where do i get it

i might have that from drunk bgs

[narrow karma]

Gobbo warrior here!

[frosty scarab]

Legion sets are in the sewers. The building in the "middle"

[civic rover]

wait is it a currency or inventory item

[frosty scarab]

Currency in your inventory😂

[civic rover]

god dammit

i have 3

[frosty scarab]

:( sad times

[civic rover]

i did like 12 BGs so i gotta while lol

[frosty scarab]

Think its up to 3 or so, if you win and are lucky with the pvp strongbox from wins

Not 100% if i am right on that, and if it continues in SL

[maiden ravine]

Thunderpeak plate from Highmountain is a simpler set that's purple as well

[civic rover]

i never opened the strongboxes

LETS GO

[frosty scarab]

Haha good luck

[civic rover]

i have like 30 now lol

so i just go to dalaran sewers and there's a guy there?

[frosty scarab]

Yeah, there are like 5-6 vendors in the middle of the sewers. All different per season / ranks

Its essentially the BMAH building from pandaland in the sewers, if you know what i mean

Or atleast, it reminds me of that😂

[maiden ravine]

😮 I am so jealous of anyone that got the season 16 elite plate set... dang

[civic rover]

can u dm me a screenshot of it lol im lowkey lost

[fiery remnant]

anyone here going nightfae?

[maiden ravine]

Heroic Dragonsoul also straddles that purple/blue line. Man Blizzard likes making dragon themed sets purple

[frosty scarab]

Ow sorry, i was directing you to the horde vendor 😩

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=106930/lieutenant-surtees

For rhe alliance sets

[civic rover]

oof size LARGE

[maiden ravine]

Paladin 25man heroic if you're okay with robes.

[frosty scarab]

Haha sorry😋

[civic rover]

yeah i was getting fucking raped by horde and i was like

[frosty scarab]

Been playing horde for too long, and keep forgetting the different vendors. Because i collected said sets over the years, so once i was alliance other times i was horde etc

[wanton orchid]

whats going to be the best covinent for prot warrior

[civic rover]

probably kyrian

[frosty scarab]

Curryian.

[civic rover]

rook tmog

[narrow karma]

Rallying Cry or Last stand for 4th conduit?

[woven radish]

Last stand imo

Especially if you go bolster so you can just use all that rage to slap with revenge

[narrow karma]

Ah, I’m AM

Prob RC then?

[finite prairie]

Hey everyone sorry if this isn't the right place but I did check the FAQ...coming back to WoW for SL is there a prot streamer anyone can recommend? Self plugs welcome

[mellow patio]

Naowh

[delicate sluice]

i will choose Necrolord : 3

[maiden ravine]

FIGHT THE POWER

reap the rewards when it's buffed

[astral crystal]

tfw max just said warriors are bad FeelsBadMan

why the streamers gotta do us like this mane

[frail blade]

Necrolord masterrace

[astral crystal]

The again maybe we deserve it

[hollow arrow]

Prot doesnt suck because it is bad

prot sucks because people think its bad

so you will be passed on

😦

[astral crystal]

Just don’t pug

[hollow arrow]

bold of you to assume I have friends

[primal saddle]

Yea prot doesn't suck people are just dumb and listen to tier lists

People saw the nerf that balanced them from being absurdly over powered to inline with the other tanks and decide they where unplayable

[maiden ravine]

Max's exact words would be kinda disheartening, but he didn't qualify it as "Progression and high key pushing either"

people will take his, "Do not play prot warrior" seriously

[primal saddle]

Who said that?

[fringe marten]

Who is max?

[maiden ravine]

Limit Max, guild leader of Limit

[primal saddle]

Oh I mean listening to advice top guild talking about pushing world first and applying that to your own is silly

They only run like 4 melee

And there comps are prohibitive to most guilds cus most fuckers don't want to play all the classes just in case

[hollow arrow]

Its ok

prot being undervalued is good for fury and arms

means more slots open up for guildds that need Commanding shout

and Battle shout

[primal saddle]

I mean for some reason we have 4 warriors in our guild

2 for each group cus fuck it why not

I'm not Gona complain if I can play something I like

But they have 4 wheelchair tanks so I might just poke them into letting me tank instead of the stack of blood DKs

[chilly brook]

Anyone going Engineering?

[sweet summit]

Ya probably

[maiden ravine]

My warrior has been herbalism/enchanting for a while.

[raven dove]

so, any clear winner out there for warrior weakauras?

[sick sentinel]

I use Luxthos

[sweet summit]

Afenar owns

[rain dune]

Probably just gonna rock Preach's loadout, see how it feels

[chilly brook]

Sell me on engineering

[maiden ravine]

battle rezzes

[rain dune]

Couple of CC devices, stealth belt attachment

Those may be useful in M+

[prisma gorge]

Hello fellow protectors, what professions are you picking up if you are poor like medieval time peasants? I am checking seems like mining BS is the way for lonely tanks.

[rain dune]

Herb + whatever you want

Herbing always makes money

[prisma gorge]

yea but how you craft legends right?

[civic rover]

Alchemy because convenience and $$

[rain dune]

You don't need a profession to craft legendaries

[prisma gorge]

yeah but i guess without money you wont buy them so you remain with only option that is to craft them right?

[rain dune]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/legendary-armor-crafting-torghast-items-shadowlands

Read that

[civic rover]

Nah this isn’t legion again

You quite literally, get them by just playing.

[maiden ravine]

The rank 1 and 2 base items for legendaries will be cheap

Every single crafter going for the rank 4 patterns will be making 10-15 of each of them for every slot

[prisma gorge]

yea but rank 4 you can either buy or craft right? no other way how to get the legend

[maiden ravine]

yep, and that might be more expensive

OR you give the materials to a guildmate

[cinder nova]

We still going Kyrian?

[weary notch]

Updated guide says Night Fae is okay, too, but I think glowy angels wins overall

[prisma gorge]

so necrolords arent superior anymore?

[scarlet sparrow]

I'm going necro, don't give a fuck what the min maxers say

[fiery remnant]

@scarlet sparrow i thought i was the only one ):

im hoping in the future it gets slighty buffed

[scarlet sparrow]

I'm a guild leader and I've been promoting "Pick what you LIKE" for months now.

We do normals and are hopeful for Heroics in the future. So it won't be a big deal.

[fiery remnant]

I only do up to 15s and push raiding as much as i can so i think necro for me will be fine

[scarlet sparrow]

I'll be laughing at the hordes of Kyrian warriors in their ugly armor all lookin' the same haha

[civic rover]

Hey don’t make fun of my rook armor

[scarlet sparrow]

Minmaxing reminds me far too much of work, and I don't play this game to work :p

[civic rover]

You’re talking to the man who keeps all the tanks geared to the max and still has free time

[scarlet sparrow]

If that's what floats your boat, you do you.

[civic rover]

God help me

[sweet summit]

Battle ress and belt enchant

[sage rivet]

whats the best covenant for prot war?

[sweet summit]

Kyrian

[sage rivet]

can i ask why?

[sweet summit]

Spear and phial very strong

[onyx vessel]

Venthyr so then big dam

Wtb meat cleaver for prot

[ebon lark]

The real answer seems to be they got all were nerfed so hard they are buried

[onyx vessel]

Gives a reason too ww

Blizzard wanted it too be close enough you can choose any and be fine

[sweet summit]

Ye i was hoping ww would be our AoE devastate or something nice

[onyx vessel]

Ww cleave a fat condemn for whole rage bar

[ebon lark]

Legendary stuff seems cemented I assume aoe shield wall for fights that need it and the demo shout/thunderclap one otherwise?

[onyx vessel]

Blame the healer when you died

Sorry healer i wanted to blast so i ww condemn condemn

[ebon lark]

You do that I am just gonna be ancient aftershocking things cause I won't be pushing high keys or mythic raids

😋

[onyx vessel]

Thats fine just dont go banner

👍

[deep steppe]

I...this is not what i expected

has the cycle been broken?

[sweet summit]

[worn bear]

chaosmaxxing

[deep steppe]

[astral crystal]

Lol

[fiery remnant]

@onyx vessel no im going banner

[fringe marten]

Conq banner does look spicy for raiding DPS warriors though. There is always a part of me that deeply misses our Banners.

Errbody loved a skullbannermans

[tight canopy]

Will venthyr be gimped super hard as prot? I like being able to tank in my offspec

[ionic fern]

What kind of tanking are you looking to do?
Chances are you won't be gimping yourself regardless of which covenant you choose.

[tight canopy]

Prob decently high M+ and maybe a random pug raid

[ionic fern]

If you're looking at Mythic+ then don't fall into the trap of spamming Condemn every time it's available, especially at the start of a pack. Use your other abilities first to generate initial threat and get SB up, and if you have any Rage left and a priority target then you can Condemn.

[tight canopy]

But is condemn seems so much worse than all other covenant abilities no?

[ionic fern]

In AoE 100%. 🙂

But it won't stop you from doing Mythic+.

[sand pebble]

Just use condem from 100 to 80, door of shadows away during 80 to 20 then back in range to condem to death.

[ionic fern]

Your core class abilities are still there.

Missing out on Spear/Ancient Aftershock in AoE will be noticeable but you can still tank your mythic dungeons.

[surreal stump]

that venthyr mogs tho

[ionic fern]

The more important part is to play the class correctly. 🙂

[sand pebble]

I’m going venthyr on warrior amd I tank as much as I arms

[surreal stump]

i say we all level 4 warriors and swap depending on nerfs/needs

[sand pebble]

Should be fine for heroic raiding and chest keys, I wouldn’t be pushing higher keys though

[ionic fern]

It's fine for even Mythic raiding. 🤔

While the values of Covenant abilities does differ there's no point in overvaluing any of them. They are there to ADD to your class, they are not some magical abilities that will 100% allow you to suddenly do content you couldn't before.

[fiery remnant]

@ionic fern is necro atleast better in m+ then venthyr

[ionic fern]

I would say so, yes.

[candid path]

oh, for sure

Banner is bad, but it's not "ST Rage dump in AoE situations" bad

[ionic fern]

Wdym? Don't you like using a single target ability in AoE that also eats away your Rage? Perfect design.

[candid path]

brilliant

[ionic fern]

Thunder Clap makes Condemn cleave onto 5 enemies when?

[candid path]

9.3.7

two weeks before Pandaria 2

[ionic fern]

but also eats 5 times as much rage

[brittle owl]

wait

[candid path]

Now you have my attention.

[brittle owl]

is this cataclysm 2 then 🤔

[candid path]

Yes.

100%

[brittle owl]

rip

whelp, was nice playing again, brb in 7 years

[ionic fern]

After SHadowlands we will be revived in TBC so the retail and classic players can play together.

👀

[candid path]

ooh, that sounds awful

Farming the Blade's Edge event for an armor trinket to wear as Bear? No thank you.

[brittle owl]

you take that back

TBC was perfect

[ionic fern]

It makes perfect sense tho.
Lich King will return as well so that leads into WOtlk. :')
Hollywood re-making old movies..Blizz thought "LEts re-make old expansions. :O"

[eternal turtle]

is the devastator talent just a chose and be done with or are the other 2 ever worth it?

[eager lodge]

Its all I've used on beta. Feels good

[ionic fern]

In general Devastator is the best Talent on that row.
YOu can use War Machine as well in some scenarios where there are enemies constantly dying and the increased movement speed will benefit you like open world content and Torghast.

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern seen anyone use this on beta?

[wide zodiac]

Is this true? Even for Mythic raiding? I'd love to pick Necro/Venth but everything I read is telling me I should go Kyrian for Prot Warrior

[ionic fern]

No i haven't.

[chilly brook]

Engineering seems kinda meh outside of that

So I'm just trying to see if anyone has any input on it

[ionic fern]

Yes. Kyrian/Night Fae ARE performing a lot better than Necro/Venthyr but you can still use any of the 4 and be okay. You will most likely get some "grunts" and comments from fellow players for not following the "bis stuff" but that's about it.

[wide zodiac]

Alright cool thanks. Is the bis covenant likely to change through the xpac depending on the raid? So Kyrian is BIS now for Nathria but future raids could be different?

[chilly brook]

Likely but who knows

Blizz is gonna balance how they see fit

So who knows what will happen

[ionic fern]

The best Covenant is prone to be changed, yes. They will most likely going to nerf/buff them throughout the expansion.

[wide zodiac]

Right okay cool, I'll just pick the one I prefer then 😄

[ionic fern]

First round of bigger changes usually comes after the first couple of weeks of Mythic.

[wide zodiac]

Sorry for all the questions, its just I spent BFA struggling to get into groups due to the meta (played a WW monk) so don't want that happening again for this haha

[ionic fern]

No worries, that's what this channel is for.

Tanks are not as affected by meta as DPS'ers luckily as there are so few of us. 🙂

[chilly brook]

You can also mitigate that by using your own key and making the group yourself

[dull cairn]

Can someone tell me the strenghts and weaknesses of prot, was a huge player of it in legion but now i heard it's the worst and can't compete and i don't know if i may be forced to switch just because ppl wont inv me

[ionic fern]

DOn't believe everything you hear. 🙂

[proud quarry]

tanks are always needed

[ionic fern]

We are fine and competitive.

[proud quarry]

you would always wait for tank in bfa for m+ when pugging

[ionic fern]

There's this stygma of "Oh, Warriors are bad" that's been lingering around since ALpha released due to our talents but we have had multiple changes since then making us a lot better.

Tbh we have not been this solid at the beginning of a Expansion in a while.

[dull cairn]

is there a prot guide for SL that s recently updated?

[frosty scarab]

wowhead has class guides that are pretty much 1 or 2 weeks old

and based off beta data, so its not 100% accurate i guess at some points

[ionic fern]

Both Icy-Veins and WoWHead already have SL data in them and are being updated constantly. You can find them in the #268491842637660160

[tight tree]

I am 100% absolutely sure that people will choose other tanks if they have choice. Because of all these shitty tier list videos. Even Naowh outright said that warrior is the worst for raid and meh for m+. Warriors are fine, and good players will make it work but public perception WILL have real consequences, and warriors will feel it. It have nothing to do with real viability of the spec sadly.

[ionic fern]

Public perception is always a thing. 🤷
But as i said - it doesn't affect tanks as much considering that there's not that many of us. Even if you get declined from a group or two you will find one that accepts you before the others will find a new tank.

😂

[tight tree]

True that. I felt there was way less tanks in BfA than say Legion, but that is anecdotal

I mostly play with guild anyway

[quasi idol]

Legion was easier to tank.

[ionic fern]

Tanks were pretty much self-sufficient then.

[tight tree]

Tbh i liked it that way

[digital nova]

rumors of prot's demise have been greatly exaggerated, eh?

[quasi idol]

I played it on the beta it didn't hurt as much. But I can see why other tanks would be more sought out.

[chilly brook]

Naowh also had a massive 5 minute prelude stating that they're all very viable and pretty close at least in survivability

[tender mason]

How is protecting in m+?

[chilly brook]

Smh lmao

[cursive hedge]

He also said they're really squishy without shield block up

[tender mason]

Im thinkning about going warr main but want to be able to tank well in m+ for pugs

[cursive hedge]

And that you have to kite

[ionic fern]

We just had A LOT higher fall than most other tanks due to how broken we were in BfA.

[ionic fern]

any tank is squishy without mitigation up. 😒

[tight tree]

Yeah, but most people will remember that he said "warrior worst tank for raid" 😉

[chilly brook]

All the people in hibernation coming out of the shadows asking about what class they should play literally right before the expac drops

[tight tree]

heh

[ionic fern]

We are starting off with lower haste as always. Getting more haste = more SB uptime.

Also, Vanguard being stupid now makes us scale with ilvl even harder.

[digital nova]

I plan on maining prot warrior, I'm just not looking forward to a bfa style benching for the first tier

[chilly brook]

Shouldn't happen

[crisp dragon]

I do think this xpac might really just be ilvl > secondary stats

[ionic fern]

The last expansion was already that.

This one will be even more so.

[chilly brook]

If you play well you'll likely outperform all the meta slaves anyways

[still pagoda]

^

not really likely

but almost guaranteed

[chilly brook]

I literally made our BrM look like a wet tissue paper in 8.0

[still pagoda]

if someone blames his class, it is his own problem he's a scrub

[crisp dragon]

Not always sure why people bash on meta slaves, there's a meta for a reason after all

[chilly brook]

I don't bash the people who play the meta for a real reason

[still pagoda]

^

[tight tree]

If hypothetically i was in my guild's main roster still, they would 100% asked me to reroll to brew or guardian, based on this exact public perception and vids

[digital nova]

That's good news, i spent all day today getting a back up prot pally ready just in case. Good to know i won't have to use it

[chilly brook]

I bash the people who use the meta as a crutch and literally would be better off playing what they're comfortable with

[sand condor]

Imean if the second patch comes around and we keep scaling we’ll probably be the go to again after half the expac is over

[chilly brook]

Which is most people who reroll to the meta tank

[cursive hedge]

Is anyone at all saying they're not bottom tier for m+? I'm also being asked to reroll

[tight tree]

But since i plan to PvP mostly and do some m+, i am not concerned at all. I will do great 😉

[crisp dragon]

Being to play the meta makes you a good player though, to be able to use the meta, you must know why its meta and how to utilize it, thats my perspective (I always play prot warr even if out of meta though)

[chilly brook]

Like all the people who used all vers corruptions in 17s who are complaining about everything hitting so hard in SL

[crisp dragon]

ppl whos tacked vers for 17s are stupid

[chilly brook]

Just playing the meta doesnt make you a good player

Playing well makes you a good player

[tight tree]

I had full vers, but thats bc of arena set = prio. Loved some good twi dev gear tho

[ionic fern]

I never had a full vers set.

I did have a full meme leech set and i was running 20+ keys without issues.

😂

[chilly brook]

Well don't be so sure, after all prot pally is fun af

[ebon lark]

I was told in most of BfA running devastate was just doing it wrong and being inefficient but guess who was the one being consistent on damage and survival (hint it wasn't me) I just tend to roll better with the proc playstyle

[chilly brook]

Well I mean it was wrong

At least in non pure single target raid environment

[ebon lark]

I generate a little less rage oohhhh spookkkyy

[chilly brook]

But most people wont actually be limited by playing non optimally

[sand condor]

I got myself a captain america cosplayer ready too

[chilly brook]

Rage was just one aspect

[sand condor]

Just to be safe

[tight tree]

Issue is, you gear brewmaster, and it is almost impossible to play wrong. It would be fair if meta tanks was hard to play, buth brew blood and guardian are not harder to play than warr, and that makes rerolling easier.

[sand condor]

I can attest to that

I’ve just leveled a bdk

[still pagoda]

you know what my orange logs in nyalotha reeked of? Devastate

[sand condor]

And they’re pretty simple

[still pagoda]

because it was the best padding option available

[sand condor]

They just have a billion cds

[still pagoda]

and you didn't lose a dime of consistency

[chilly brook]

And also considering the rage feedback which contributed quite heavily to your survival and damage missing out on rage wasn't a good thing

[ebon lark]

WoW has literally turned into a "are you not afk" simulator

[tight tree]

not on warrior 😉

[chilly brook]

But yea

[still pagoda]

nowhere close to this

[chilly brook]

Time for bed

[still pagoda]

the game is pretty fast

[ebon lark]

You can have completely wrong talents in every row and not notice unless you do actually extreme high end content

[chilly brook]

Wrong

I know I said I'm going to sleep but that's definitely wrong

[ebon lark]

No not wrong, heroic raiding and +15 can be done with wrong everything

[ionic fern]

It depends what you aim for. 🤷
I like to maximize what i provide to the raid/group i'm in.
Sure you can play the class like 50% and be fine but that's like going to work and just putting 50% effort in..it gets the job done but you could do so much more.

[chilly brook]

You can certainly fail in heroic raiding and +15s with the wrong talents

Especially if playing poorly

[tight tree]

To be honest, it feels refreshing. I am not primed for raid progress, so i am free to play whatever the fuck i want, at my own pace. I love warrior, i love all specs, and i will do my best to make it work, and i am hyped to jump into it.

[ebon lark]

Then you are just a terrible player

[chilly brook]

Especially if you're playing poorly on a punishing class

Well usually you don't have a good player playing suboptimal talents?

But there are a wealth of heroic only guilds that prove your point wrong

[ebon lark]

No talent is going to save from standing on aoes

Those are the kinds of players I mean

I know I am in a class discord but I kinda figured you guys most of all would know it's not talents that make a character work, its gear and player skill, talents just augment power unless it's a new button

[ionic fern]

I am failing to see the point you're trying to make.
You can play with suboptimal talents and be fine , sure...
But as i said..that's like doing 50% of what you could actually provide.
Most of it comes down to class knowledge.

[chilly brook]

Making an absolute statement of not seeing any difference unless in high end content with suboptimal talents is kinda 5head

[ebon lark]

That is my point someone was saying play what you are comfortable with

Then I said I ran devastate being a playstyle I am comfortable with

Told I was wrong

Yea no get off your high horses

[ionic fern]

The difference in DPS PoV from the least suboptimal and the most optimal talents is pretty significant for example. 🤷
You CAN do almost any content with any talent setup but it doesn't mean it's the most optimal way.

[chilly brook]

And if you played 8.0 warrior for example with Impendint Victory, Never Surrender, Dragon Roar, Devastate and Ravager you would definitely likely end up not even being able to complete your weekly 10

[ebon lark]

I ran something you would probably consider worse

Heavy repercussions is like a dirty combo of words post legion

[chilly brook]

HR actually saw some use in 8.0

[ionic fern]

If the fight was the right length it was the best performer ST DPS wise.

[chilly brook]

Still was worse demonstrably than AM

At least defensively

And saying that running devastate in anything other than pure single target was wrong wasn't a wrong statement

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[warm sigil]

Are you guys gonna level as prot? Or level as arms/fury?

[ionic fern]

I always level as Prot.

[ebon lark]

Fury because literally no reason not to

Prot is fun but I am going to be leveling with friends and they wanna smash and run so no idea what that is gonna be like

[frosty scarab]

leveling as arms/fury basically, got both set up, and spec ''back'' to prot on 60 or so

apparently Torghast is hella fun as prot and pretty ''fast / decent'' or so i have read somewhere around this discord i believe

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

It is.

War Machine is great in there.

[chilly brook]

Torghast is just stupid fun period

[ebon lark]

I love arms I wish the proc rates were just slightly faster

[ionic fern]

Was fun for me when i started trying it..but i got bored of it pretty fast. 😦

[ebon lark]

I an worried torghast will get old quick

[warm sigil]

Fury feels too spammy for me

[ionic fern]

It more than likely will.

[ebon lark]

Since it's not a true rogue like

[frosty scarab]

still have no proper idea for Torghast, in terms of actual gameplay. Other than what was shown at Blizzcon, i tried not to spoil it for myself, so i only read that certain tank speccs work amazing in there for solo play and other speccs are a bit meh

[warm sigil]

But I always switch to fury running old raids for that sweet sweet whirlwind

[ionic fern]

It's fun if you get the right powers. Stacking Spear damage...10000% increased Shattering Throw damage...stacking RAge generation.. etc.

[ebon lark]

I always feel like I have no sustain or staying power as arms

But big hits are fun

[ionic fern]

True. I never got too much into Arms since i prefered the fast playstyle of Fury.

[warm sigil]

If I need healing as arms impending victory is usually enough

[frosty scarab]

Ah i see, thanks for teh answer. If it doesnt work out to play as prot ill set up a fury or arms set to run Torghast with 😉

[ionic fern]

It will 100% work out.

We are tanky enough to stay alive and with the powers our damage output is going way up.

Should focus on some ST powers tho as those might take forever.

[frosty scarab]

ah okay, good to read. still a bit overwhelmed generally about all the new xpac stuff overall, like conduits / stygia / anima / etc, and i think the next week or 2 will shed a perfect light on that. But for now it feels overwhelming but i didnt want to figure it out 100% before heading in this time. Used to do that for years when raiding on a higher level and always took some fun away

[tight tree]

I will level as prot bc of speed. Barbarian+dragon charge = insane mobility, plus ability to pull big.

Also got this trinket form HoV, unless they nerf it, it would be FAST.

[warm sigil]

But ya gotta enjoy the leveling

No need to rush it

[cosmic canyon]

So, tonight when SL hits.

where and how do I reach the new area?

[dull cradle]

From orgrimmar

You can't miss it

[cosmic canyon]

RIP stormwind

[dull cradle]

Then i can't help you sir. But i guess it's the same thing outside the cathedral. Don't take my word for it

[warm sigil]

Right outside sw keep

At the giant anduin statue

[cosmic canyon]

if my SL experience gets ruined, I will blame you!!!

[dull cradle]

D:

[cosmic canyon]

cheers

you suggest just clear out my entire bank & bags?

or how do you usually go about a new expac

[tight tree]

would be fun to have alliance ride to Org to get into SL

[still pagoda]

not the case

[cosmic canyon]

I used to 'ride' to orgrimmar in vanilla & do /duel outside with people from irc.

[still pagoda]

what happened?

https://tenor.com/view/ryuko-matoi-kill-la-kill-anime-thinking-gif-12390530

https://www.wowhead.com/news=319360/where-to-log-out-in-preparation-for-shadowlands-launch?webhook

everything's fine

i expected total zombie apocalypse this pre-patch

[tight tree]

Joke on them, i am not planning to log out

And shame about zombies, blizz chickened out and getting rid of plague was too easy

[still pagoda]

but guess the only place that turned into boneyard on EU-Draenor is portal room

sad

i wanted some chaos and memes

fuck convenience

[tight tree]

I would like full blown pandemic ingame as well

[still pagoda]

make priests use their fucking cleanse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFqjU2HopbY for some it was an actual experience tho...

[cosmic canyon]

[10:15 AM] Keening: you suggest just clear out my entire bank & bags?
[10:15 AM] Keening: or how do you usually go about a new expac

[still pagoda]

ah

yeah, i cleared out all the unnecessary items from my bank and bags

and bought out all the gliders and gunshoes

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRMNZkXt5mDot7SXx6My6sHZd6EfoI0lEdpK0F8q3pnSEgPfya_gCAcTKUye2XhgjmM57URlcipuxAS/pubhtml#

[cosmic canyon]

Nice & easy to read. Thanks

[still pagoda]

there's an English version inside

[tight tree]

gunshoes nerfed in Maw rn

[cosmic canyon]

How do I access it

[still pagoda]

doesn't matter

[cosmic canyon]

ah

middle right side

ty

[still pagoda]

i'm using them for leveling itself

yaya

right there

[cosmic canyon]

cheers man for sharing

[still pagoda]

np

[cosmic canyon]

So, level like 5 alts to 60 first week

and then pick what to play?

[still pagoda]

depends on levels of autism you want to participate

i personally decided to settle on 3

with warri remaining my main indefinitely

[cosmic canyon]

what other classes?

I'll play warrior too to 95% certainity

[frosty scarab]

still undecided what i will do, i normally level all tank classes early in the xpac, and this time contemplating doing all this week 😛

[cosmic canyon]

I recently leveled a paladin

no way in XX I'll play it

feel so friggen gimp without movement

[still pagoda]

DK and pala

[cosmic canyon]

I guess certain soulbinds could counter it but idk yet

[still pagoda]

main considerations were fun factor and transmog

and i also like holy paladin

[cosmic canyon]

got your hands on the argent dawn xmog yet?

[still pagoda]

fuck it

Nothing against this transmog set
But arena season 13 is the best

[still pagoda]

oh wait

[maiden ravine]

I have 4 chars I'll do early. Kyrian Shaman, Necro Druid, Venthyr Warrior, and Night Fae Monk

[still pagoda]

^ this is the transmog from above

[cosmic canyon]

Naxx 40 tabard. Heard it got removed or smth

[still pagoda]

get a better set mate

seriously, this one is garbage

[maiden ravine]

Some people like simple stuff

[still pagoda]

especially for tabard with such a legacy

[cosmic canyon]

This is why I'm worried about removing stuff from my bags these days. For some reason I saved T2 & T1 + a few loved items & stuff from vanilla when TBC got released.

[still pagoda]

like

save them in the bank

not like it takes up 90% of the space

[cosmic canyon]

the original character with the tabard

[dry bloom]

Is prot overall doing ok in sl?

[cosmic canyon]

yeah

I wouldnt recommend the unstoppable force + anger management playstyle tho

[still pagoda]

all tanks are doing well

[cosmic canyon]

but who knows, perhaps with the legendary items it's playable

[still pagoda]

it depends on the content

and it is definitely playable without legendaries

just not as strong as BfA version

well

just like all builds

so stick to what you want

AM/UF - more DPS

Bolster/Ravager - more consistent mitigation over extended periods of time

[dry bloom]

Thanks for the tip, I wanna use it for lvling to 60, and learn to tank dungeons with it, I used to enjoy prot Pali a lot but never played prot warrior really

[cosmic canyon]

Karton in my opinion it doesnt depend on content. But I guess that's where we are in disagreement. With that build you run the risk of spike damage making bukakecake of you.

sure on any non key / raid content it's fine I guess

[still pagoda]

mate

damage spikes are almost non-existent until certain threshold

where it will turn into bolster shield block party

just like it was with +24-25 last tier

before that you could fuck all about vers

[cosmic canyon]

yeah but if you're playing at your personal limit, you're playing at your limit, regardless of what type of content that is. If your limit is say for example +5 keys at a given time. I would still not recommend that build.

[still pagoda]

if you're playing at your limit, it will depend on what content this limit hits

[cosmic canyon]

thats where we disagree 😛

[still pagoda]

otherwise, neglectable

[cosmic canyon]

if i'm doing my best and I only get to +5 keys

[still pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

[cosmic canyon]

I wouldnt run that build, because if I just tried a different build I'd probably be able to do at least +6

etc

[still pagoda]

tbf, even in mythic raid there will be plenty of space to use AM/UF

Tank swaps

Ravager/Bolster won't magically save you from your mistakes

[ionic fern]

Real talk, ItF+AM is out performing as of early sims on ST.

😉

[cosmic canyon]

yeah but if you're a mythic raider you need to be good to play that specc and excell at it, because there is other speccs that have less downtime on mitigation.

[still pagoda]

so play according to the content and don't bother with getting tanky until you hit the actual spike breakpoint

[cosmic canyon]

outperforming on dps..

[sweet summit]

Was that a fully stacked itf ye?

[ionic fern]

I mean, raid tank damage is laughable in most situations. 🙂

SO you would go for DPS regardless.

[still pagoda]

you need to be good on any spec/class to perform. Otherwise, get the fuck out of my raid

[still pagoda]

this

[cosmic canyon]

yes but you need to be 'less' good to perform well on a specc that has the highest uptime on your mitigation

[ionic fern]

yes.

[still pagoda]

then it doesn't count

[sweet summit]

What

[ionic fern]

What do you mean ? 🤔

[cosmic canyon]

I mean if it's your job to be tank on a boss encounter

[ionic fern]

Yes...?

[cosmic canyon]

if you can time your mitigation to avoid dying: you're fine right?

[ionic fern]

Okay, makes sense so far.

[cosmic canyon]

all other things aside, like not standing in shit.

[still pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90KXOaOXnuE

[cosmic canyon]

So if I have a specc, where I literally just have to stand in front of the boss, and slam my rotation 24/7 and stay alive: That build is preferable to say a build that only has a max potential uptime on mitigation of 50%

[still pagoda]

since we're waiting for SL anyway

[ionic fern]

It's not that black and white.

[cosmic canyon]

thus, if i'm new to the game: I should be adviced to play the high uptime mitigation build, regardless of the type of content I play

I agree

[still pagoda]

you have a second tank in a raid for a reason

the problem is, if there's a fight where you need consistent mitigation for 100% of the time, then bolster will surely outperform AM/UF unless damage is not high enough to warrant bolster to begin with

[cosmic canyon]

yeah karton, but lets just say that both of you tanks play the low uptime mitigation; then you need to time the taunt swaps properly & make sure not to use all your mitigation at once etc.

[still pagoda]

denathrius, IF OVERTUNED, may be this fight

[gray spear]

Hi guys, new here, what is the general feeling towards which covenant prot warriors are picking? are there any in-depth analysis resource pinned somewhere?

[still pagoda]

knowing blizz in last 3 tiers, they tend to overtune 2nd-4th to last boss

[tight tree]

Well any boss needs you to time swaps properly

[cosmic canyon]

The other scenario being; you both just run the high uptime build and hope for the best

[still pagoda]

and not the last boss

[still pagoda]

you can read wowhead covenants article

and state of warri there

[ionic fern]

Welcome. :)
Check the #268491842637660160 , both Icy Veins and WoWHead have Covenant sections with detailed explanations. In general it goes Kyrian =>NF>Necro/Venthyr

[still pagoda]

Llarold did pretty good job at it

[tight tree]

And even classes with 100% mitigation uptame should not waste their resourses to keep it up when they are not actively tanking

[cosmic canyon]

loooook! I'm not arguing against you need skill to play the game at its peak, ok? My sole and only argument here is that at any given tier of play you do; if you play at YOUR limit you should play one of the builds where you take the least damage in order to be as forgiving to personal mistakes as possible. And to some extent this is even more important if you're a beginner.

[tight tree]

True

[gray spear]

Thank you 😄

[cosmic canyon]

Welcome deso

[tight tree]

That is why brewmaster or guardian would be perfect tank for beginner. But i would not consider ability to look at timer and time youtr mitigation to it, to be a "skill"

But it rarely that simple on most bosses and intricacies come into play ofc

[gray spear]

Thank you, haven't played for years, phew! theres quite a lot of info

[cosmic canyon]

When did you take a pause?

[gray spear]

stopped after Legion

[cosmic canyon]

Ah

[cosmic canyon]

Question for the legendary slot:

is it still weighted so certain slots have more stats than others? will the iL on your legendary item be higher than your normal gear?

so; I should try to put my legendary item on legs, chest or head?

[still pagoda]

Chest >= Legs >= Head > Ring = Amulet > Shoulders

= Boots >= Belt = Gloves > Wrist > Cloak

quiet frankly, yes

it is based on stats

[frosty scarab]

So than Thunderlord is best placed on your boots basically

[brittle owl]

p much

TClap is a stomp after all

makes sense

🧠

[still pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/smacc-cat-newspaper-hit-head-smack-gif-16269150

[frosty scarab]

Haha 😂

[brittle owl]

@still pagoda shut up weeb

[cosmic canyon]

You sure about that ranking Karton? ingame my lvl 100 gear on alt has same amount of mainstats on all 3, chest, legs & head

ah

nvm

😛

MYEYEZMYEYEGOGGLEZDONOFFING

[kind plover]

are you guys recommending thunderlord for m+?

[cosmic canyon]

I will probably go with the wall, but most people in here recommends it yep

[kind plover]

great thanks

[cosmic canyon]

I'm also pondering Seismic Reverberation if I can get confirmation that the extra revenge has a chance to trigger a free shield slam

Basically you'd revenge/ss 24/7 :p

60% chance per revenge to reset it's cooldown sounds like potential worth exploring, at least in my head without any "time on the ground" yet.

[still pagoda]

why clap with foot when you can clap someone to death with a newspaper

[brittle owl]

clearly you're undervaluing the effects of a thicc boot on someone's face

[still pagoda]

you see these boots? I'm clearly ready to clap someone to death with a D U M M Y T H I C C boot

[brittle owl]

that's a DK

you fucking blin

[still pagoda]

shall i remind you these exist

[acoustic stratus]

is ww just not worth using?

[still pagoda]

never

just a flavor

[acoustic stratus]

seems kinda dumb to add it back in

[brittle owl]

you don't say

[acoustic stratus]

i do say

[brittle owl]

it's almost as if the reintroduction of old abilities was just a halfassed attempt to appear like they are doing something

[acoustic stratus]

hey ill take shattering

[brittle owl]

inb4 they make shields be exempt from shattering in raids/dungeon bosses

[still pagoda]

shattering throw and challenging shout are welcome

[still pagoda]

you can still eat paladins with it

so it's definitely a good bonus

[brittle owl]

[still pagoda]

Paladin Fried Chicken

[brittle owl]

"eat paladins"

[still pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

[ionic fern]

It's solid for DPS in lower/middle keys but considering you will be wasting most of your rage on Revenge keeping SB/IP up is going to be difficult.

[brittle owl]

inb4 people complain that they get baited to shattering throw SoV and gib themselves

[still pagoda]

look

at

fucking

buffs

before

you

throw

it

[astral crystal]

W-whats SoV...

[still pagoda]

Shield of Vengeance

[astral crystal]

Lol

[cosmic canyon]

the dps in itself is not what i'm interested in here. Basically if it's a 60% chance to reset instead of a 30% chance; if you play the same you otherwise would you'd gain rage; and then increase your defenses that way.

Question is: Does it work that way or will it only be 30%, ergo 1x chance to procc per cast, instead of two.

[sweet summit]

Its per cast i believe

[still pagoda]

^

Most of the time, second cast effects/legendaries are just duplicating a spell

[cosmic canyon]

then it falls off the list of interesting quite fast.

[sweet summit]

Ya :/

[cosmic canyon]

the wall it is +23 rage per cast if you use HR talent is kinda nutty. 400 casts in a key and you'd gain 400*8 extra rage compared to if you went with bolster/thunderlord

3200

[ionic fern]

What

[brittle owl]

you want to run anger management in order to maximize SW cdr anyway

[cosmic canyon]

15 rage per SS default, 23 if you run HR & the wall

I don't want to run anger management with the wall, at least I don't think so

[ionic fern]

YEs, i understand simple math but the rest of it makes 0 sense. 🙂

[cosmic canyon]

3200 extra rage in a key is a LOT of defense/damage

[brittle owl]

uhm what defense are you referring to

outside of just IP dumps

consuming rage doesn't feed into defense anymore, besides anger management for the purposes of shield wall

[cosmic canyon]

I mean you'd have 75% uptime on shieldblock, assuming haste gets "halfway" to the current levels on level 60. Then you'd have a lot lower CD on Shieldwall from the legendary

if you go AM you don't have 75% uptime on shieldblock

and whatever 'defense' you gain from shield wall, you lose on shield block

I think HR & the synergy effects playing into SS it gives you will outweigh any and all upside to playing with AM.

[brittle owl]

cdr from the leggo has nothing to do with spending rage

you reduce the cd with SS, a rage generator

any rage gain from that is extrinsic value from the loop

the only thing that would gain value from extra rage consumption is anger management

in a defensive sense

[cosmic canyon]

SB has a charge time, we can agree on that much yes?

if you go HR, you will have higher uptime on SB. you will also prioritize your SS higher if you go ballz deep that road.

[still pagoda]

oh god, someone is actually trying

[still pagoda]

Bolster/HR choice depends on the way you want to prolong your SB

[cosmic canyon]

besides, SS is more than a rage generator, it's one of the most damaging abilities we have. Often if not always coming up on top in keys

[brittle owl]

? you prioritize SS anyway

[still pagoda]

and the way depends heavily on context

[cosmic canyon]

Also, if you increase your SB uptime with HR, you also increase your damage. 30% increased damage from SS if SB is up

[still pagoda]

you prioritize SS anyway [2]

rage gen

[cosmic canyon]

yes

thats what i mean

if you already prioritize it

then go for the synergy

[still pagoda]

meaningless ramblings it is then

[brittle owl]

what synergy are you fever dreaming about

[cosmic canyon]

Read what I've written so far and you'll figure it out

[brittle owl]

extra rage from SS? what?

i read what you typed there, and it doesn't make logical sense

[ionic fern]

What the hell

How are you casting 400 shield slams in a key?

Is that like a 2h key?

[brittle owl]

there is absolutely 0 synergy between HR and the wall

there's no gameplay loop that it enables

[ionic fern]

The only Synergy The Wall realistically has is with AM.

[brittle owl]

^

you just play normally

[still pagoda]

^

but with more CD's

[brittle owl]

and have some extra rage from SS to do....nothing? i guess?

[cosmic canyon]

meh, ok well. don't come later in the expansion without hearing "I told you so" ^^

[ionic fern]

....

Ok.

[brittle owl]

🤦‍♂️

[brittle owl]

he could've casted 1000 SS in any given encounter type, there is still nothing that the extra rage gen would enable

[still pagoda]

🤦‍♂️

[brittle owl]

heck, SS for days, the synergy is still nonexistant

[cosmic canyon]

The synergy is as follows: If you have 75% uptime on SB with HR, compared to 50% uptime on SB with AM; It won't matter that your SW has 4 minute cd by default. your overall window "without" any mitigation will be the same.

[brittle owl]

so why not fucking play TGV

[ionic fern]

Wat.

[still pagoda]

wat

[jolly thistle]

you also get more rage if you run TGV + BV

[brittle owl]

^

[urban salmon]

my mind is blown right now

i need to scrape it from wall behind me

[cosmic canyon]

yes go do that fatel

bye

[brittle owl]

the rest of your hypothesis is still standing with TGV

at least it doesn't go into hyper mental gymnastics trying to find nonexistant synergy afterwards

[ionic fern]

YOu might as well just run BOlster with TGV+BV and have 75+% NON RNG SB uptime ontop of 40%+ Demo Shout Uptime.

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

i feel like there's some aspect of the kit you're grossly misunderstanding

can't explain it otherwise

[cosmic canyon]

no further comment at this point.

[ionic fern]

Solid.

[brittle owl]

[jolly thistle]

also since you’ve talked about shield block uptime in keys and HR: HR is a bit luck dependent. You don’t want to rely on luck procs to live some pulls. Consistency is king in high keys

[brittle owl]

hey man

no further comment means no more comment

[cosmic canyon]

Anexor, it's not luck if you consistently show 79~~ active uptime

[brittle owl]

don't be baiting the man like that

oh shit is this a comment

[cosmic canyon]

maelk, can you please for once stop trolling

[ionic fern]

Where does it consistently show it?

[cosmic canyon]

fanboi attitude is such a meh

[ionic fern]

👀

[cosmic canyon]

in details

after a key

[ionic fern]

....

[brittle owl]

you want me to stop trolling and go straight for the takedown?

imma put you in the ground boi

[cosmic canyon]

just sod off. you bring nothing constructive

I'm not trying to convince you, or force you to play in a certain way.

[tardy kettle]

yo guys can I ask smth about sl ? as our best legendary for raid comes from the raid (the wall), what will you guys craft as your first legendary?

[ionic fern]

Thunderlords.

[tardy kettle]

for the boots?

[ionic fern]

Those are the only 2 solid options we have.

[jolly thistle]

nothing till mythic week

[tardy kettle]

just craft and sit on the ash for instant the wall craft when you get it or do you still upgrade it?

[ionic fern]

Just craft it. Then get The Wall and then do w/e you want. That's my plan atleast.

[tardy kettle]

legend, thank you for your insight

[jolly thistle]

still curious about the drop rate in dungeons

[brittle owl]

nobody really knows since blizz has been p obtuse about it. presumably it's a guaranteed drop

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[woven kiln]

they're very common apparently. In the interview they said weekly bosses are a 100% drop, and it's a high drop rate from dungeons, such that you should expect it if you target it (farm the instance). I interpret from that I'd get it from 4-6 runs. Absolute finger-in-the-air guess!

If you craft thunderlords, will you have enough soul ash to craft the wall as soon as the raid opens? Really want the wall on week 1 of CN

[oblique garnet]

If you do all things in torghast then yeah you can craft 2x rank 1 legendaries

[cosmic canyon]

I remember when I joined this discord before the corruption vendor was availible, and it didnt matter what I said. TWILIGHT DEVASTATION IS TEH BEST, when I argued that going a more defensive road with versatility is preferable when you push as a tank.

counter argument was; NOOOOH NO DAMAGE, Sucky sucky. Warriors are damage tanks!!!!!10101

viola, what happened 2-3 weeks later on streams? Versatility stack. Nuff said.

I'm not pretending to foresee how SL will play out, or what will be best in the end. All i'm saying is that I see a potential alternate route while pushing high mythic+ content, going the SS/Wall route. And unless I come across new information, something i'll explore myself. Before going thunderlords, if that turns out to be the best way to go.

If you can't "stand" the fact that someone else has a different opinion than you and have to make personal attacks or ludricate their persona well, that's on you. If your only argument is "TGV & BOLSTER IS BETTER SHATTAP" without explaining or even putting forward any arguments to why in the discussion, well then that's on you as well.

[woven kiln]

cool

[ionic fern]

And TD damage was still the way to go for like 99% of the people.
Versatility stack only really paied off for people who were pushing world first keys.

🤔

[cosmic canyon]

That's a very bent statement edging on not being true

[ionic fern]

WHat?

😂

YOu literally diddn't need Versatility stacking for most key levels.

[woven kiln]

TD was a great defensive. If everything dies 300% faster you receive less incoming damage

[ionic fern]

People just got on the "Hype train cause streamers did it on their +30 keys".

[cosmic canyon]

look, i'm not having this discussion about td again...

[ionic fern]

and they started stacking vers on a +15 key.

[cosmic canyon]

look, you were here when I wrote above right?

that if your personal limit is +5 keys

you optimize

[ionic fern]

No.
If you're personal limit is +5 you learn to play the class.

[oblique garnet]

[astral crystal]

this is a weird argument because people running 20-25 keys also preferred vers stack anyway

[cosmic canyon]

which is a lot easier to do if you're alive

and being alive is a lot easier to do if your uptime on mitigation is higher

or if you take less damage in general

yeah atti, he's wrong about this

[ionic fern]

😂

[cosmic canyon]

Look, I don't even wanna argue, you're wrong and I'm right.

[woven kiln]

lol

[ionic fern]

I mean, you clearly want to argue. 👀

[astral crystal]

anyway it's not the same, builds aren't set in stone yet, there's obviously going to be an optimal layout, just give it a sec and don't wax prophetic or stringent about it

[ionic fern]

And i'm up for it. 🤷

[modern gale]

People stacked vers on lower keys because they copied the people who were running higher keys that actually needed he vers to live

Quick mafs

[astral crystal]

yeah jrob that's 100% the case

[oblique garnet]

Staying alive on a class due to crutches
Learning to play the class to stay alive
Which one leads to better play?

[astral crystal]

still, doesn't mean there's no benefit to it

i just wanna throw my god dang spear

and my god dang ravager weapon

for magni's sake

[woven kiln]

@oblique garnet a good healer obvs

[oblique garnet]

Yep

[jolly thistle]

you only get better if you challenge yourself

[ionic fern]

I was running full leech set with fury azerites on a +20 without struggling cause i was too lazy to swap.
Think about the ups and downs. WHat's the point of going full vers on a +20 key if the damage is not enough to warrant it, just to cover for bad play/class knowledge.?

[sharp orbit]

Checked final iterations and I am pretty much set on booming ravager repercusion with THE FUCKING CHAD SIGNET ON

[oblique garnet]

Lets go

[sharp orbit]

double ravager dps kings lets go

[oblique garnet]

#MakeRavagerGreatAgain

[ionic fern]

Ravager doesn't proc Signet.

👀

[autumn pendant]

your

[astral crystal]

rip

[brittle owl]

avatar should doe

still more ravej

[ionic fern]

JEah, Avatar does.

[sharp orbit]

and ofc running vampire boi

[brittle owl]

so your point is invalid

[woven kiln]

Why on earth did we get whirlwind back but no ranged silenced back?

[brittle owl]

[astral crystal]

dude imagine if gag order came back

[woven kiln]

best glyph in the universe

[sharp orbit]

Imagine using whirlwind over revenge

chad protection bois

[oblique garnet]

We have ww?

[sharp orbit]

Yea

[cosmic canyon]

Heirmir's Arsenal: Ravenous Pendant Soulbind Ability
Defeating an enemy restores 3% of your maximum health every 6 sec for 6 sec, stacking up to 5 times. Adding stacks refreshes duration.

^

will this mean that if you slay a mob on 5 second tick, you won't get healed next second?

or how will it work

[woven kiln]

I wonder if it's a typo. It would make sense if it extended the duration

[modern gale]

Think bursting, but you gain health instead

[cosmic canyon]

it's wierd wording indeed. it says "every 6 sec for 6 sec" basically one tick right? -> but if you accidently slay a mob every 5 seconds at the end of a trash pack it won't really be useful

unless it did extend the duration

[flat fjord]

Hey guys new to this discord channel btw but i am mostly curious on them covenants can we trust wowhead at this point to be accurate to take what they are saying to use for m + ?

[cosmic canyon]

what are they saying?

[flat fjord]

kyrian for m+ and kyrian for raiding

[cosmic canyon]

it can't go wrong. Kyrian is on a good spot atm

but there is other options that are 'viable' and unless you really push to your limits you can go for what you want.

Nfae is not far after

and venthyr is a solid raid pick

[flat fjord]

cool thnx just as i am hearing a bit different things around and a friend said go join the class discord channel for more information

[cosmic canyon]

good idea your friend had :)

welcome

[flat fjord]

thnx

[cosmic canyon]

I think they will balance it more before things are cemented in place.

[flat fjord]

my goal is to aim at m+ for a change but a bit more and harder pushing what i sued to do during bfa i stuck around the +10 didn't had a group then now i should have a fixed group to go higher

[cosmic canyon]

in the end I think you can play what you want.

if you're going for +m then kyrian is a really good pick

the covenant ability can be used to kite away from mobs or just for solid damage and rage regen

[flat fjord]

ow cool thnx

[stable flower]

How are warrior compared to monk and pally. Trying to debate what to level first

[cosmic canyon]

Sumin, what's your experience?

[flat fjord]

haha i got a same issue as you suminod 😄 war or DK

[astral crystal]

remember there's no m+ or raids week 1, you have time to level every and anything pretty much

[flat fjord]

what's week one btw ? tl the reset at 25th ? or the week after reset on 2nd december ?

[astral crystal]

i consider week 1 the first reset, which is tomrrow

tomorrow**

we'll only have access to m0s

also no benefit to hitting max on day 1, which is today, since everything related to renown is gated til tomorrow

other than pumping litty heroics

[flat fjord]

doing heroics can learn you a lot already of dungeons if you havn't done beta as the ways to learn as us in this channel aregoing to be tanky type

[jagged pier]

@astral crystal 2 weeks for m+ and raids not 1

[astral crystal]

right, mb

[jagged pier]

we do get m0 on wednesday though

[astral crystal]

castle nathria opens dec 8

[flat fjord]

okie thnx

[stable flower]

@cosmic canyon been playing warrior for for ever and pally since MoP never been big into monk but been playing it the past couple months. Otherwise I am a casual mostly just pug. But I do want to find something that isn’t going to get me /loled out of pugs.

[still pagoda]

@stable flower don't pug

find a chill group or do keys with guildies

if pugs lol, spit them in the face

[stable flower]

I mean it’s easier said than done my schedule with 2 kids/Army is not exactly static

[still pagoda]

understandable

like

just don't take it seriously

pugs are always cancerous

and are always morons

[stable flower]

Out of pure fun, I am liking warrior and monk

[still pagoda]

same goes for guildies or officers who go bonkers with tank minmaxing where it doesn't matter

just ignore any sentiments if you're not raiding on WF level

[stable flower]

I have found that paladin can be feast of famine based of Blizzards design philosophy for the@

[still pagoda]

Especially when someone brings up mythic mekkatorkue as a fight that "required" 2 DKs and DPS ones "were trash"

[stable flower]

How is condem for Prot, I play like Prot/fury 50/50 but warrior is probably going to be my Venthyr pick for story. I know it’s not optimal for tanking but hoping it’s not shooting myself i. The foot either

[still pagoda]

niche

[ebon hound]

like shooting yourself in the foot with a bb gun

[still pagoda]

it's better than necro banner but falls too short of AA and spear

[stable flower]

Is spear better than condemn for fury/arms?

[still pagoda]

depends on which of these specs is your main one

spear is giga

aftershock is also great

[stable flower]

Hmmmm

[still pagoda]

kyrian is a powerhouse covenant for prot with Night Fae being not so behind

you can easily go with condemn if you wish

[sweet summit]

condemn is better on ST for both arms and fury
but spear is by far the best most versatile option

[stable flower]

Thanks guys

[still pagoda]

np

[hollow ice]

I like this soul vulpin Thing of night fae very much but rationally the flask from kyrian is Just too good for Tanks to let it out, what you think?

[flat fjord]

no idea tbh

i am gettign all second toughts abouth anything at this moment as example what might be the best rotation for a prot war as for shield block ignore pain use on rage dumping as rage is always has always been my worst thing as a war to get enough of

[still pagoda]

do you need it to clear for CE outside of WF? No
Is it a good addition? Yes
Does every single tank on every single level of play need to take it? No

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable flower]

Does indomitable make you a healing god like bracers in legion or is rage gen too low now?

[sweet summit]

no, but it adds up

[autumn pendant]

little here

little there

[astral crystal]

blizzord make it scale with versatility challenge

[flat fjord]

what do you guys say tbh prot war or blood dk ?

[jagged pier]

which ever one you like to most to play tbh

[flat fjord]

that's what i cna't make my mind up yet

[still pagoda]

really

whatever is fun for you

[strong forum]

Bdk is many suck, I hate it

But that's me

Others enjoy bdk for some reason

I hate 90% about bdk by default

[sour sluice]

i cant stand playing DK of any sort

[flat fjord]

yeah bdk is awesome seems to have a lot more self heal over them warriors but warrior is cool in a single way to as shield tanking way

[still pagoda]

self-heal is meaningless to warri

that's why

2 different specs with completely different styles of play and damage profiles

chose what you fancy

🙃 fixing plater at last

[strong forum]

Play a fast rewarding spec which you get bonus out of playing aggressive.

Or play slow spec which doesn't reward playing aggressive

[brittle owl]

they both fall under the category where optimal dps rotation essentially leads to optimal defensive play

[jolly thistle]

on dk that’s true, but on warrior?

[still pagoda]

same

[jolly thistle]

you can literally never press IP

[still pagoda]

your maximum damage also results in maximum rage geen

[brittle owl]

the only difference would be IP vs revenge yeah

[still pagoda]

^

[jolly thistle]

And only use revenge

Revenge actually does dmg now

[still pagoda]

even then it is a difference between 2 almost meaningless rage dumps

one as a damage smooth

another as additional DPS

[strong forum]

When on bdk, if you deathstrike 1 time too much, you die

Not fun

[brittle owl]

it's a question of gcd efficiency

[strong forum]

Die bdk die

[brittle owl]

on bdk if 1 deathstrike is the dif between life and death you done fucked up

[strong forum]

If you are too greedy on bdk, you end up with 0 runes 0 rune power

[flat fjord]

haha feel the love 😄

[brittle owl]

it's an extremely straightforward spec that people often misunderstand/overthink

dumping your entire RP bar into death strike isn't greedy

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

its straight up bad play

its not even a dps increase

[strong forum]

But Muh dmg

[brittle owl]

not even lmao

[strong forum]

You'll end up with dead gcds

[brittle owl]

unless at the end of the encounter i guess

[strong forum]

How's that fun

[brittle owl]

that's the nature of the spec

[strong forum]

Hate bdk simple as

[brittle owl]

apart from monk, is there a gcd locked tank anymore?

maybe bear?

[strong forum]

Warri and vdh imo

Pally is close too

[brittle owl]

warr isn't gcd locked anymore

pally has hella downtime

vdh i guess sure if you count glaive as a meaningful gcd

the odd thing about pally

[strong forum]

It's better than just sitting waiting

[brittle owl]

is that gcd efficiency does not equate to dps efficiency

[still pagoda]

if you spam sheer like a degenerate

oh

wait

this is not possible anymore

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

[brittle owl]

it still is doe

you have arguably similar downtime on pally as you do on bdk

[strong forum]

Shear spam is still a thing

You're just not literally immortal anymore

Only slightly immortal

[brittle owl]

situationally immortal

[still pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

still

turbodegenerate playstyle

[brittle owl]

vdh niche is degen gameplay apparently

max dps? degen sigil gameplay

max defense? degen gameplay

[strong forum]

Max fun? Dead

[still pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/lul-mustache-what-funny-gif-13701378

meanwhile prot warri

max fun? You're fucking immortal

unless you screw up

then you ded

[brittle owl]

or encounter lasts longer than sb+bolster

then you gotta yeet

🙁

[still pagoda]

🙃

other CD's, your passive armor

ya be fine buddy

[jolly thistle]

I always found bdk nice to play especially to have some variety, but I haven’t done any crazy high keys (I think the highest were 20s in s3)... if you like the playstyle level up both. There’s a lot less “mandatory” stuff to do in SL

[strong forum]

Just speed pot and run in a circle

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

Until SB back up

[still pagoda]

exactly

kite like a maniac

[strong forum]

As a blizz dev once recommended to brewmaster

"to mitigate dmg, roll backwards"

[dense pivot]

yeah just jump away

I mean, kiting is meta now right? for high sweaty keys