junior ivy
lemmeshow you
#protection
empty nacelle
got a smug look about it
undone sun
Cute
sweet summit
she is very pretty
chilly brook
Cats are gross
sweet summit
:/
tawny briar
So what covenant are people thinking for prot?
chilly brook
Not very warrior like
sweet summit
kyrian
merry elbow
Hello prot warriors, I was initially planning to main prot pally but am strongly considering swapping to war. I know theres been a lot of doomsayers and that tends to be overblown, but in terms of m+ will I be giving up a lot by switching to warrior?
Sorry if this q gets asked a lot just looking for honest feedback
sweet summit
we are 100% fine for 99% of all content
you will most likely not notice a huge difference
merry elbow
Prot war playstyle just seems a lot more engaging to me than pally
tawny briar
From what I've seen, most of the doomsaying is from ppl who REALLY liked teh BFA style. Which doesn't really work anymore
sweet summit
tanks are very close defensively, just the damage part is a bit unbalanced between tanks
it does work, just a lot worse defensively
merry elbow
Granted that tuning is still happening, how is dmg compared to other tanks?
tawny briar
Honestly, it will only even feel bad for you if you mained prot in BFA on high level content. Cause we were kings and now we are more middling dmg, but still great physical mitigation. For most tanks I'd say play what you like. I still love playing warrior and plan to continue maining prot (cause wars are super fun lol)
rain dune
Which tank specs would have the edge over us going into SL? I hated arguing with everyone in early BfA to convince them prot wasn't garbage
sweet summit
what content
rain dune
M+ in this case
My raid group doesn't care too much if I stick with my warrior, we're going for CE but aren't trying to world first or anything
sweet summit
i think vdh and monk
but im not 100% sure
i havent been keeping up with all other tank specs and shit
rain dune
I keep an eye on prot and that's about it as well. I'm going into SL mostly blind for better or worse
frosty scarab
Hows threat generation now? (For all tanks) thought it was an issue for the whole beta
lucid bough
ID say VDH and guardian
sweet summit
bears are strong too, yeah
lucid bough
super tanky
sweet summit
threat recently got buffed, soooo
rain dune
Oh snap, year of the bear again?
sweet summit
no issues if you play correctly
lucid bough
its more if you enjou playing it, not very engaging spec
frosty scarab
Okay, because i saw Naowh tweet about threat recently and apparently he talks about it alot in his vids on youtube. So i figured to ask
tawny briar
They did a recent hotfix that buffed all tank threat across the board
novel ruin
snap threat is an issue for most tanks right now
even after the hotfix
it was only an 11% increase
frosty scarab
Okay, just beta things then it sounds like
tawny briar
has anyone with beta access noticed the impact of the aoe cap? causing any issues?
novel ruin
def is a fun impact
tawny briar
lol ya
i've been noticing it in old content where i might have to use two or three abilities to kill a bunch of stuff instead of one TC, which is annoying
novel willow
New to warrior and wanted to do m+ as prot and raid with my guild as fury or arms in sl but the covenant swapping is making the multi spec look difficult. Between fury and arms which has better synergy with prot when it comes to covenant choice?
sweet summit
kyrian
novel willow
Kyrian strong for all three specs?
sweet summit
yeah.
more sims for arms and fury are comming soon, so you can see how close it is and fully decide
novel willow
Ty
livid creek
Hello guys, there is any google doc for bis or covenant ?
jagged pier
its kyrain
sweet summit
pins and ilvl>haste
civic rover
isn't kyrian like the best covenant for all the tanks atm lmao
sweet summit
arent bears necro now?
civic rover
just looking at wowhead atm
all of the tanks kyrian is considered a great choice so far
even monk apparently
i still think necro for monk is better
looks like for bear, if doing big boy pulls, venthyr, if doing generic pulls, necrolord.
jagged pier
I think for monk its like technically kyrain is better in raid, but necro is better in m+/aoe so in alot of fights in CN its like better or equal anyway π€·
civic rover
i just thing reduced cd on brews is too good to pass up
esp considering how good celestial brew is
for M+ at least, BDK: Venthyr, VDH: Kyrian, Bear: Venthyr/Necro, Brew: Necro, Prot Pala: Kyrian, Prot Warr: Kyrian.
rip night fae 
solar crown
same old story for stuff that is OP, it get nerfed into useless
civic rover
even is kyrian wasn't best for warr i'd be going it just because the plate set from it looks sick af
mellow patio
Not as cool as necro plate set 
civic rover
venthyr plate doe π³
modern brook
dont the kyrian plate set turn u into a rook
civic rover
yes and i love it
the kyrian harmonious plate set reminds me of the dwarves from the hobbit
frosty scarab
Just love the plate hc raid set. Feels like medieval 2.0 armor basically
spice ocean
The kyrian set looks great if you drop the shoulders and helmet
rigid edge
So everyone is going Kyrian?
civic rover
people will go what they want to go.
spice ocean
The phial is just too nice to pass up for warrior and monk though
rigid edge
You say that, but the way covenants work you can't blame them for going for the best one instead of what they prefer π€·
civic rover
yeah the system is pretty fucked
rigid edge
I completely agree
civic rover
i thought it'd be way smarter to just have covenants as like, the transmog and story and thats it
and then as a part of leveling you'd visit all the other covenants, your character would learn about them
still pagoda
venthyr 2H sword looks really well with some transmogs tho
which are not available to warri
civic rover
and then by max level, you can choose what covenant specific abilities you want, at any time. but that's smart, blizz doesnt do smart.
still pagoda
and then by max level, you can choose what covenant specific abilities you want,...
they do smart, but not everywhere
rigid edge
Covenants should be just that, flavor and looks... IMO, or at least as you said let you switch as any time
still pagoda
new progression system is actually much better than Legion/BfA daily grind
spice ocean
They will undoubtedly change it in 9.3 and say look guys we listened to you
civic rover
like personally i'm not necessarily bothered by it since I like all the covenant transmogs a lot but not everyone does, and some people are gonna feel really conflicted having to go kyrian for their DH because it's just so good.
still pagoda
as it's a great universal choice for all specs and the best transmog out of all covenants
also
civic rover
i love the kyrian plate because ROOK
still pagoda
frost got condemn animation
on obliterate
π
just finished leveling that shit
rigid edge
I wouldn't mind the covenant crap if it wasn't such a deal breaker for doing other content, and we know how elitist people can get with this crap, that's the only thing that bothers me really
spice ocean
For me it's more that I would rather spend time in the kyrian area and garrison - and the fact that I don't have the luxury of making that choice for most classes is idiotic
civic rover
thankfully i have a guild full of people that really don't give a fuck what covenants everyone is going as long as we aren't absolute apes but not everyone has that luxury
and even then we're all still probably going what's best anyway just because there's little reason not to
rigid edge
exactly...
I don't even worry about my guild, but I pug a lot because well, my playtimes are odd for EU, and we know how that's going to work
civic rover
thankfully it looks like changing covenants won't be a HUGE hassle but it'll still be annoying
modern brook
thankfully i have a guild full of people that really don't give a fuck what cove...
everyone does have this luxury they just all are under this delusion that they're in fucking limit
ionic fern
Sorry, DK's can't choose covenants, they are automatically in Necrolord.
modern brook
Yeah im thinking kyrian as well. Spear is cool and applicable
Condem is dope but like
Execute is still execute
modern brook
Night.
mortal adder
that way i can increase aoe out put and have another cc
rigid edge
Necrolords for DK sounds right tho
modern brook
that way i can increase aoe out put and have another cc
I personally value the rage gen from spear more than the 3rd aoe cc
autumn pendant
@ionic fern watch me
civic rover
both venthyr and necro plate sets fit really nice with DK
ionic fern
I'm always watching @autumn pendant
still pagoda
he just singlehandedly dabbed on everyone
ionic fern
Thank god, i can be lazy.
autumn pendant
You creep
maiden ravine
yay, so long as I level in the first few days I'm okay
chilly brook
I mean this is old news though
We already knew stuff wouldn't be available until after the first day
minor vale
what are some compelling reasons why id play prot warrior over prot pally? im having a tough time with the decision
minor vale
but i feel like their M+ utility outside of shockwave just doesnt exist ya know?
ionic fern
We are not that known for our utility, especially compared to Paladins.
We have Shockwave as AoE stun, Stormbolt for ST stun, AoE Fear, Intercept and Reflect.
civic rover
intimidating shout
smoky wave
We're not that annoying neighbour with wind-chimes in their garden either.
ionic fern
We are mostly known for being study in the face of physical damage and that's what we do well.
Our AoE damage is solid and we have multiple talent builds that work giving some variety in gameplay.
It all comes down to which one you enjoy more tho, both are perfectly capable of doing M+ and both have their own strengths and weaknesses.
still pagoda
We already knew stuff wouldn't be available until after the first day
yeah, but now he confirms it outside of interviews
mortal adder
@modern brook does faline stop not generate rage?
sage cairn
hey sorry haven't been playing lately but have every tank available at max lvl but love wars. However all i have heard is that they are c tier compared to everyone else. is that true will it be hard for me to get groups at max because im a war or is that just what people are saying
civic rover
no tank is c tier
modern brook
<@!204081428869283843> does faline stop not generate rage?
not as much
mortal adder
oh okay thats fine I was just curious
civic rover
you're a tank. you'll always find groups.
modern brook
Dont get me wrong i tihnk they're both fine choices
But the 30s faster CD and the higher damage/resource is what does it for me as far as kyrian>NF
I cant speak fora lot of classes but the few I've looked at, covenents have felt very close together for the most part
At least from the ability alone
the bigger point of balance problem i have is that you're literally inting if you're playing melee rn
which is lame
lower damage, lower uptime, target capped 4head just play warlock or sp
still pagoda
hey sorry haven't been playing lately but have every tank available at max lvl b...
unless you're going for world first, don't bother and play whatever you like
i got my portion of hate for this already, even though there's a lot of people completing raid in WR10-100 range on "garbage" and "not S tier" tanks
tank rankings are hilariously bad idea
ruby berry
If anything, I've seen a lot of successful melee comps the last few weeks. You just should not triple melee in any key. I've seen warriors, rogues, dhs, wws, paladins and even a feral clearing 15s while undergeared.
still pagoda
triple melee is a dead shit since introduction of M+
modern brook
the problem isnt that melee cant do keys
still pagoda
they can
modern brook
its that they cant compete with the damage output of range
still pagoda
just don't get too many
ruby berry
They certainly can
civic rover
my push group is gonna be probably VDH/Bear, Rogue, Frost Mage/Boomkin, Unholy DK, Mistweaver
so i'll let u guys know in a month how melee are doin
modern brook
Unholys the exception tbh
sage cairn
other question is do you guys go revenge spec or thunderclap
modern brook
but i think they're getting capped to soon
civic rover
unholy and rogue are 100% the exception LOL
ruby berry
Watch psycho or moad do keys for a bit, the rogues and rets have plenty of pulls that they top.
modern brook
yeah
civic rover
for bleeding edge keys it'll probably be rogue and 2 ranged though
ruby berry
Absolutely Leif
jolly thistle
Target cap wonβt matter that much tbh
still pagoda
but again, we're not talking bleeding edge keys there
modern brook
I mean i am
ruby berry
Same
civic rover
idk if the unholy dk is ever gonna reroll in my group lol
we're all so used to pulling dungeons around her lmao
sage cairn
is unholy that good ?
ruby berry
Unholy is very good consistent damage profiles
They can leverage their cooldowns for whatever situation they need them for and they're versatile enough that they work for any situation.
civic rover
if the group is able to do large pulls around the CD's of unholy it's really good yeah
and it brings all that DK utility too
ivory elbow
anyone know if warrior tank is decent in shadowlands i took a break and just came back in season 4 and if not is there any other decent tank to play
barren widget
Prot is solid. All the tanks are close.
pliant sage
I just got told in another discord that Pelegos changed, does that affect Prot wanting to go with Kyrian?
deep steppe
@pliant sage no, Kyrian is still BIS for prot
mortal adder
...
still pagoda
your weekly 10/15 is doable by anyone
we all are talking of different keys then. My talk was literally about non-WF high keys
still pagoda
I just got told in another discord that Pelegos changed, does that affect Prot w...
his vers passive now gives stacking magic DR
pliant sage
@still pagoda I saw the magic DR change and just wanted to check before launch. Thank you for the help
still pagoda
np
autumn pendant
strong forum
lamb of god is π
still pagoda
early Lamb of God is 
strong forum
going for that R1 poooog
strong forum
god
regal oxide
Is Night Fae a viable option for Prot?
deep steppe
yes
regal oxide
Cool I never have an issue keeping packs together and I dont wanna stare at blue the whole expansion
still pagoda
i had enough green that my eyes are dying after one look at bright green
spice ocean
Hear me out though with spear you can stand 1ft outside the leash radius like a tom and Jerry cartoon and eat a snack
ivory elbow
so icy veins saying prot is worst tank its not true xD
deep steppe
Let me just answer that like this @ivory elbow
regal oxide
I've never seen Prot warrior not be viable at some point in an expansion
deep steppe
I'm not taking advice from Icy Veins π
spice ocean
I think it's fair to say it's the worst, just not by much and not in a way that will matter to most people
regal oxide
Okay but are they talking like at M20 or something that regular players wont be doing most of the time
regal oxide
Lol then idgaf
candid path
Prot Warrior is arguably set for its best expansion start since like... WotLK or something
I can't remember the last expansion Prot Warriors didn't start off with looooooooooooooow expectations.
dusky mica
says more about past expacs than anything else
candid path
You have me there.
dusky mica
I'm bummed over how bad the new stuff is tbh, lego's and conduit stuff
still pagoda
I can't remember the last expansion Prot Warriors didn't start off with looooooo...
tbh, Legion was a hot start
dusky mica
just zero imagination used
still pagoda
and yeah, it's a second expansion in a row when people expect nothing from warri
dusky mica
hopefully 'cool things' will come later
still pagoda
with nothing to back that expectation
candid path
I mean, it was more fun in a lot of ways, but Warrior got a massive revamp at the very first patch of Legion because it was so badly underperforming
candid path
in part because just like WoD, it had looked really good during beta for a while, so their response was to wait until the last two weeks, then nerf it massively, hideously and then release it
still pagoda
then you got Exorsus and their double warri EN 24 hours WF
chilly brook
I mean
Let's be honest
Warrior probably had one of it's best starts in BFA
Maybe not in community perception but the toolkit was super solid and we were kinda broken even in 8.0
surreal stump
legion start we were out healing healers and then OMG NERF and ignore pain has never been the same
undone sun
were still out healing with ignore pain and inspiring presence in ToS Β―_(γ)_/Β―
regal oxide
I was number 1 healer for some ToS and Argus fights
still pagoda
legion start we were out healing healers and then OMG NERF and ignore pain has n...
it was never intended tho
regal oxide
Those were the days
candid path
Ignore Pain being on the GCD was real anti-fun, though.
still pagoda
strong forum
could prolly push for #1 but im giga tired, already awake for fucking 21hrs
still pagoda
was it Natalya or some new Strafe set? @strong forum
strong forum
new strafe
still pagoda
strong forum
it plays pretty much exactly like natalyas, but does more than 10x the dmg
strong forum
ded
still pagoda
RIP
strong forum
the crux of marauder is having to setup and low movementspeed
still pagoda
my favourite playstyle
strong forum
also prolly 0 dmg
still pagoda
its whole crux previously was dropping 5-6 turrets and watching shit melt
still pagoda
strong forum
still pagoda
it was so good for clearing 3-4 screens worth of space in one go
anyway, will probably hop on the next season
this one coincides with SL and League's Season 11 so NO
strong forum
i mean, you play D3 seasons for 1 day, and then go about your life again
still pagoda
it definitely still plays through convention of elements and bombardier's rucksack
strong forum
perfect timeline right now
D3 this weekend, then monday straight into SL slam
ima sleep now, i am kill
strong forum
I put 8 hrs in thank you
dusky mica
D3, christ.
worthy ingot
anyone get to test Sludgefist to know if SB applies to his attacks if you aren't the primary target?
worthy ingot
danke
still pagoda
anyone get to test Sludgefist to know if SB applies to his attacks if you aren't...
Also another funny thing that was discovered by guys from DK discord is that secondary hit is applied as post-mitigation damage of primary hit. Bug or not, still pretty funny
At least during the last raid test
mild maple
Including stagger?
chilly brook
Fuck me I'm excited for Monday
still pagoda
Brew mt and say a bdk/vdh ot
break the fight for race for WF
for all us plebs it would not mean shit
candid path
Warrior viable now. Go Crit Block every hit and you're golden.
still pagoda
i really want that sword on my DK now
glad i've decided to go venthyr on that toon anyway
fringe marten
So..the pinned guide on icy saying it's updated; but people are saying ravager and bolster for level 60? Is it because once azerite traits go away the value of speeding up avatar won't be as strong?
still pagoda
yup
exactly
also that it suggests what works for general content rn
idea of ravager/bolster and HR is extended shield block uptime leading to a much more stable and smoother damage intake over extended periods of time
fringe marten
But oof....losing that spicy fast Tclap and the damage boost..sad. Assuming ravager somewhat makes up for it.
still pagoda
not something you see outside of mythic raid and higher keys
you can still play UF/AM in SL
fringe marten
Right but I'll be doing both..(eventually) so I guess I may as well get used to it now.
still pagoda
will be totally fine until you get killed because of it
which is pretty far away if you're asking
fringe marten
Also means I need to change some of my weak auras back to incorporating the bolster block window.
still pagoda
^
tbf, that hard cap was removed for some tanks in BfA
paladin...
but not for warri
fringe marten
Yeah that was something it didn't do before..actually give you shield block so it would increase the damage of shield slam; so they fixed that?
candid path
yeah, and it would hypothetically work for AM check mechanics now, as well
Although those are gone, like a fragment of a long-forgotten memory, splintered and blown away into dust.
eternal bough
Rip Shadowlands prot channel ;_;
fringe marten
So come monday evening; what happens to our heart of azeroth? it just becomes a necklace at that iLevel ?
still pagoda
Although those are gone, like a fragment of a long-forgotten memory, splintered ...
2 years without AM checks are meh tbh
fringe marten
hm.. I know bolster is solid still but it's just a shell of it's former glory without the synergy of anger management pushing it's cooldown to the 40 second range.
still pagoda
i want some kind of AM check meme knockback like in Neltharion's Lair
candid path
Tanking is more boring now, but a lot of the AM check mechanics had gotten really lazy.
Have AM up every 10 seconds or your spine will leave your body.
still pagoda
or you will be knocked into lava*
candid path
I think they had their time, and now they're gone, and that's alright.
still pagoda
last boss in NL
fringe marten
guess I'm makin' a macro for ravager now..what was the command for casting at cursor? @cursor ?
still pagoda
yup
wintry egret
109222
brave mauve
Not the finest result for a 6 digit number, but could be worse
pure sun
Is there a Pre-BiS from SL dungeons made yet for us prot tanks? Gonna speed run any%
jagged pier
Pre-Bis LUL
pure sun
I mean if we know the entirety of everything regardin raids its not the dumbest of questions xd
jagged pier
literally isnt a bis because if its higher ilvl its probably better thanks to vanguard, ilvl>haste> everything else
candid path
That is the BIS list, yes.
The only real things that would be BIS-ish are like, trinkets, amulet, and rings.
still pagoda
Is there a Pre-BiS from SL dungeons made yet for us prot tanks? Gonna speed run ...
tbf, you won't be even able to acquire all the "BiS" items in 2 weeks that are given
candid path
Very true.
still pagoda
whole gearing process now is simple
get highest ilvl haste pieces
pray for 30% baseline haste by mythic week
you're golden
limpid heron
I dont rly understand the perception of prots toolkit being mediocre for m+.. Aoe stun, short cd st stun, mobility, fear... I think its pretty good
jagged pier
our mitigation up time isnt great, plus if you have a bad prot warrior because of that fact they will just die
well effective uptime
limpid heron
I get that. But if you assume proper play i think we do have tools for every situation
jagged pier
yer but we dont self heal really so the healer cant dps along side for a little bit unlike with a dk or vdh, and we still dont have mass grip, or root depending on what covenant. also compared to other tanks are dps is meh atm
sterile narwhal
Hello everyone ! so, after the pelagos nerf, is he still the best to go for prot warriors or you have chosen someone else ? Please let me know your covenants and soulbinds, i need some inspo bc i was kinda relying on the pelagos, but now after hes nerfed im not sure anymore
jagged pier
sterile narwhal
So hes just a nice adition π
jagged pier
yep always was
sterile narwhal
Okay cool, and are you still going to choose him as a soulbind or someone else ?
jagged pier
still probably him like you dont even get the magic damage for like 2 months or somthing as its the last slot, but kleia isnt bad ither
sterile narwhal
Cool, thanks:)
still pagoda
still probably him like you dont even get the magic damage for like 2 months or ...
for first 10 weeks
jagged pier
so like 2.5 months was close enough
still pagoda
yup
THAT IS if we don't count week 11
weeklies from which can be done on the reset day
thus cutting down one week
sterile narwhal
And the first conduit you going for is Piercing Verdict? it drops from world boss, is it guaranteed drop or? is there any chance you can buy bonus roll for it ?
sweet summit
maybe
100% drop chance
no bonus rolls in SL
still pagoda
seems like they will be 100% chance
otherwise, putting some of them behind timegating would make no sense
jagged pier
I'd be suprised if they werent from world bosses
still pagoda
jagged pier
I'd expect the drop chance to work like leggos
maiden ravine
Leggos are based on the repeatability of the content
World bosses, 100%
normal dungeon? Torghast? No one knows yet
frosty scarab
its pretty funny, been spending some times checking out other classes tank wise, and basically they all read: plays fine, just no synergy with conduits or legendaries to speak off
and than you get to warrior, and its like: good legendary, conduits seem fine etc.
sweet summit
are DKs fuming again?
frosty scarab
big discussion lately there, go night fae with a covenant ability that impacts rotation ''too much'' according to some
or pick venthyr and get a 2nd ''bonestorm'' π
and synergy seems to be non existant really
maiden ravine
Eh, you haven't visited Guardian then. Bears are pretty happy overall, good covenants, good soulbinds, good legendaries
DKs and DHs though? Rough times
frosty scarab
ow just noticed i only mentioned warr, but i meant to say guardian aswell in that part
seems some nice options as guardian imo, made me doubt for a bit
maiden ravine
Monks aren't super upset either
eager lodge
fallow mortar
Are pally tanks sitting pretty like monks, warr, and bear?
sweet summit
what do you mean
fallow mortar
Like what they were talking about above where they are fine with the balance of the class as they head into shadowlands
sweet summit
think they're vibing
astral crystal
pally tanks are doing well because of high dmg + kite meta
brittle vault
arctic wasp
any of the 3 is viable at start imo, all you have to do is tag mobs haha
astral crystal
you can level as prot safely
tank specs have been solid for leveling for a few expacs now
@open monolith https://www.wowhead.com/news=319260/collecting-soul-ash-in-shadowlands-and-crafting-legendaries-torghast-mission-tab
remember we were talking about this? they bring up a good point about not knowing whether the campaign is gated...
open monolith
Interesting
forest fern
does anyone know if the effect to demo shout cooldown reduction on the "thunderlord" legendary reduce it once for up to 4.5seconds, or up to 4.5 seconds every time you use thunderclap(in other words if every time you use thunderclap and it hits 3 targets its a 4.5second chunk taken off)?
still pagoda
second
it is really simple
it hits 1-3 targets - it gives you 1.5/3/4.5 seconds of CDR
forest fern
every time you use it yeah, not once per demo shout on cooldown cycle right?
still pagoda
yeye
every time you clap
one per demo shout would be abysmally low
and legendary would be beyond useless
forest fern
so in optimum conditions the reduction could be like half
still pagoda
usually yes
forest fern
well a bunch of the legendaries are mediocre so it wouldn't suprise me
still pagoda
what you "proposed" is literally making legendary that doesn't even work
forest fern
especially since the base cooldown on demo is pretty low now i wasn't sure whether they might nerf the crap out of that type of reduction
ionic fern
The Wall and Thunderlords are our 2 stand out Legendaries..the rest are lacking severely behind.
still pagoda
^
forest fern
right but wasn't demo 1min back then not 40 seconds base
still pagoda
some are even harmful(signet)
still pagoda
right but wasn't demo 1min back then not 40 seconds base
45 seconds
it wasn't changed at all ever since that time
and it also had 3 seconds per target hit
literally the way Shadowlands TGV worked before nerf a month or so ago
forest fern
out of curiosity in proper scenario with the synergy talents, what sort of reduction to shield wall using "the wall" are we looking at?, with anger mangagement and the soulbind bonus etc?
if that's even been tested etc yet
narrow karma
Does The Wall still offer increased rage?
narrow karma
ππ»
forest fern
i think that's teh point, it will fuel anger management reduction of shield wall as well, that's the synergy aspect to them
plus the conduit that flat reduces shield wall by 20seconds
still pagoda
you won't use AM/UF build in mythic anyway
narrow karma
I am doing AM as well but the min/maxers will tell you bolster
still pagoda
so no. Its raw rage generation and cdr are what makes it good
forest fern
well even without anger management it seems good
are we looking at like half cooldown shield walls here, or not "that" powerful?
still pagoda
I am doing AM as well but the min/maxers will tell you bolster
it depends on content you are doing
sick sentinel
Whats best covenant for mythic dungeons and raiding
narrow karma
it depends on content you are doing
This is true, I figured most ask about mythic
still pagoda
Whats best covenant for mythic dungeons and raiding
forest fern
unless something has changed i'd assume its still kyrian all the way
still pagoda
This is true, I figured most ask about mythic
some fights may even allow usage of AM here and there
short swaps etc.
sick sentinel
Ty
forest fern
The NF case is i believe "in perfect conditions"
still pagoda
NF case is just getting consistently strong option that is not so behind kyrian
narrow karma
Gotta keep the mobs stationary during pull with NF is the drawback I think
Spear doesnβt punish you for moving out of it
still pagoda
nah, not really
spear just has more utility with tether
and it also gives all of its rage and cc upfront
narrow karma
That last point about keeping enemies in the debuff area for 12 seconds is kinda concerning imo
I suppose NF is also damage reduction though as itβs knock back every second delays mobs attacking
forest fern
i guess part of spears alure is also for kiting options, its a tether so makes it easier in m+ to run away when stuff gets bad with the tank unfriendly affixes
narrow karma
i guess part of spears alure is also for kiting options, its a tether so makes i...
For sure
forest fern
i mean if its about toolkit variance you already have something way too similar to it in the CC front as well
better to give yourself more options maybe, hence spear
still pagoda
^
you will also waste this stun 99% of the times if you use aftershock as DPS cooldown
narrow karma
The phial is a bonus too as warrior mobility is already pretty good (tho Iβm gobbo so I have extra)
forest fern
its been nerfed recently, not sure how bad but i think the other thing was kyrian has the damage reduction conduit that is more suited for a weak area with prot, magic damage reduction through pelegas also
and yeah the pot is kinda a nice deal, i believe it doesn't work on removal though of anything in raids anymore, maybe in m+ still though
still pagoda
its been nerfed recently, not sure how bad but i think the other thing was kyria...
nerf was specifically to raid utility of bleed flask to avoid turbocheese strats during race for WF
and "omfg every tank should go kyrian"
narrow karma
Iβm def going kyrian unless
still pagoda
and it was an indirect one
narrow karma
It sucks for fury
still pagoda
it sucks for fury
sweet summit
it does not.
forest fern
does the debuff removal still work on bosses in dungeons?
or is it just "trash" mobs in the game now
fiery badge
Smh looks like Iβm going Kyrian on my warrior too. I realllly wanted to go Necrolord or Venthyr but...
I wish Necrolord was good for Prot but I looks like it might be the worst
still pagoda
they need to rework banner again
and again
and again
or just buff the fuck out of it so it becomes competitive
big crit CD on 2 minutes cooldown
fiery badge
banner has some cool potential i think.
this is a banner free channel
autumn pendant
Banner boys
burnt wharf
just make numbers big on banner and keep the shitty mechanics
better than have it literally never exist
bring back melee groups
sweet summit
no 
sweet summit
wth where is the DH π¦ dead class poggers π¦
burnt wharf
this was in the before times, when we were but gods
sweet summit
still pagoda
just make numbers big on banner and keep the shitty mechanics
tbf, in its current state, mechanics are not really shitty
it is just... So undertuned that is not usable unless you don't give a fuck about min/maxing to the point of madness
which will technically net you your CE anyway
burnt wharf
my group are the platonic ideal of CE scrubs so I'm ok with that
burnt wharf
still pagoda
decided to hop onto D3 before SL releases
haven't done anything in it since 2016 or so
strong forum
Big gamer
still pagoda
thinking of monk
something-something with exploding palm or any other HAHA SPLOSIONS GO BRRRRRRRRRR build
rigid edge
Wasn't monk terrible on D3 cause the lead designer hated them?
strong forum
Wasn't monk terrible on D3 WoW cause the lead designer hated them?
grand drum
lol
daring bay
so it says we have 3 different types of aoe caps
how do you find which one thunderclap is?
nvm i am an idiot
sick sentinel
is this the xpak to bring my tank out of retirement
sweet summit
YES DUUUDE!!!
sick sentinel
i havent really played (minus late 8.3 up to prepatch as havoc dh) since pre mist launch.
grave flower
Ok. Finally settled on prot warrior for the launch. After having a tank of each class, itβs hard to pull myself away from the spot Druids are in. I havenβt really played since Mythic Argus, so all my conjecture comes from what Iβve read. I gather all tanks are in a solid spot now, but having not played the beta; what are my main concerns for warrior going into launch? I plan to get back into mythic content and keystones. Not looking to do pvp and donβt plan on having this guy dps on the side. Straight tank.
Essentially. Are our weak spots still the same as they have always been or what sort of negatives should I look out for
tawny gate
I've merely read that warrior is the worst performing tank for m+ but it can only go up from here right?
sweet summit
only concerns are the same as always, AM downtime mainly
also our damage is relatively low
still pagoda
@strong forum @steep bone splodey palm is much fun. Glad i refreshed myself on it
grave flower
I looked at the top performing keys and they were mostly prot warrior. No?
still pagoda
oneshot neph rift boss with stacked explosions
tawny gate
I've no clue, I was aiming to get some words on it from here
sweet summit
we're not the worst, and not the best. somewhere middle of the pack
still kings in the physical mitigation part
tawny gate
I have every tank at max and I was just looking for reasons to not pick bdk, dh, and druid
because I love my warrior and monk
sweet summit
tank choice will most likely not affect your ability to do content
unless youre doing the highest of the highest end content (like very very high m+ keys)
tawny gate
that ain't me 100%
placid delta
am I best levelling as arms? I guess prot isnt great for levelling
sweet summit
then id go with whatever you like better, or both 
worthy ingot
What's the call for interim raid lego till getting The Wall?
tawny gate
if you're geared then it's not bad going prot
sweet summit
prot is alright, its leveling. unless youre going for world first level 60 it wont matter, and if you were; warrior isnt the play
the wall for raiding, yeah
tawny gate
I'll be leveling as prot because I know I'm going to ass blast anything and everything in front of me
sweet summit
chad mindset
placid delta
I have like zero gear, levelled to 50 and just wearing old heirlooms which stopped scaling haha
tawny gate
probably best as a dps spec then yeah
grave flower
Just get icc items and sit at 100ilvl
placid delta
Picking loot specs for the pre-launch stuff so I was wondering
grave flower
Prot will be fine to level. Open world content and questions isnβt hard.
placid delta
Ok, maybe I'll just level as prot then
tawny gate
nothing will kill you at least
toxic gyro
How do I tank for my group if I have to pick venthyr for mythic prog π©
Kyrian is so good and fun for tanking π©
sweet summit
have two warriors, or swap after youve finished prog
or just play venthyr and make the best out of it
toxic gyro
Prot gets condemn too or itβs different?
strong forum
Gets condemn
sweet summit
same thing
toxic gyro
π©
still pagoda
π
undone verge
Hi guys, coming back from Uldir and curious recommended iLvl for 10+ keys?
sweet summit
like ilvl 90 should be comfortable i believe
undone verge
Ok thanks : )
strong forum
i think a solid way to look at it would be, whatever the difficulty drops -10 ilvl
maybe a bit less
undone verge
I see, I do feel a bit squishy for iLvl 106 but I donβt have neck or cape, just ICC gear
Not sure if Iβm missing out on something major with all that
Other than iLvl
strong forum
well neck and cape are huge
strong forum
no neck also means like 30% less HP by default
sweet summit
is it that yuge 
undone verge
Ah, my guild said donβt worry about them because theyβll be irrelevant. But I understand both sides
strong forum
it will be irrelevant in 2 days yes
undone verge
Am a silly tank
strong forum
its really w/e
undone verge
People prob see me tanking 7s with no neck or cape like wtf lol
strong forum
absolutely
spice ocean
Do we seriously not unlock the third soulbind until week 16? That makes night fae pretty dumpster for prot if you're planning to raid as DPS, yikes
Almost impossible when you consider how impractical the cocoon is for tank
sweet summit
maiden ravine
It's week 7 for third soulbinds based on current estimates
steep bone
@still pagoda only necro β€οΈ
kind plover
i've seen some videos where people rank prot warrior as below average, relative to the other tanks, but what is the current state of warrior? i am worried that i will play a class none will play with
strong forum
if anything, warri is literally the average right now
mellow patio
Tank balance is in a good spot, donβt worry about what you play too much
strong forum
^
kind plover
well i just really like warrior so just making sure
mellow patio
Hell yeah brother you and all of us in here
For context I will get CE and push keys as a prot warrior and will be fine
kind plover
CE ?
steel mauve
cutting edge
sweet summit
mythic last boss before 9.1
mellow patio
Tank balance is good rn. And prot will only get better with ilvl scaling
kind plover
that sounds comforting
steel mauve
i wouldnt put much stock in ranking videos honestly, most of the time they dont actually convey the abilities of the specs themselves
strong forum
that being said, you will have to play well in order to do well
pwar is one of the tanks where it shows the most if you fucked up / play badly
steel mauve
i seen a video once that downrated vengeance sol;ely on the CD of meta, but they were ranking it based on havocs meta cd which was 5 minutes and not vengeances that was 3 minutes and even stated they would rate veng higher if the meta cd was inline with other specs cd's like 3 minutes
strong forum
others tanks are more forgiving than pwar
strong forum
i seen a video once that downrated vengeance sol;ely on the CD of meta, but they...
LMAO
this sums up the credibility of your average ranking list quite nicely
mellow patio
Or just play bfa vdh and never actually have to press meta
chilly brook
pwar is one of the tanks where it shows the most if you fucked up / play badly
Not according to some people lol
Literally had a discussion with someone saying that prot was super easy and not punishing
deep steppe
I would love to know what content they do that prot is not punishing lmao
strong forum
prolly s4 with full vers amps in 20s
deep steppe
ok real talk
I can /already/ tell
I'm gonna have issues
spamming revenge
and not being able to block
and die
strong forum
yeah its defo a thing
mellow patio
Do you wanna pipe or be piped
strong forum
same with execute
mellow patio
That is the decision to make
deep steppe
strong forum
damn i wish i'd've known that in season 1
strong forum
where you didnt have stats blown up your ass and full vers+leech gear
mellow patio
Thatβs fine Iβm good with getting clapped every few keys cause Iβm greedy
Our group is straight memes
strong forum
always triggeres the fuck out of me, hearing people talk about how prot "didnt need healing and was fuck off easy in BFA"
what they forgot about was having 16% leech basline and 110% vers, makes every tank easy
chilly brook
I mean like blood DK isn't really any more difficult than prot imo outside of just knowing your classes limitations
strong forum
BDK hardest tank what i find hard about BDK is actively avoiding to press buttons so i dont run out of runic power or runes cuz i wanna deal dmg
chilly brook
Other than that you bank runic power for death strike before you take damage that you know you'd need it for
strong forum
but then you realise
chilly brook
Just like you press shield block before taking damage
strong forum
youre playing BDK, and BDK doesnt have dmg buttons or a dmg rotation
ontop of 25 apm spec
strong forum
deathstrike has to be my most hated button in the game tbh
chilly brook
I always find myself hitting it to not cap
But then I get in a spot where it's like "should have saved that"
strong forum
the 2 hrs i played BDK total, i always wanted to press smth to deal dmg, and everything was on CD, no runes available
so im like....
im not taking dmg so i cant use Deathstrike
mellow patio
HOLD IT
chilly brook
I also feel like I should basically just wait until like 40% to even consider death striking lmao
still pagoda
D3
strong forum
ah
get to level 41
then craft level 70s
find one with level requirement reduction
π
strong forum
ooor do the new leveling strat in s22
put difficulty to torment 6, and check maps for shrines around the waypoint
still pagoda
DW or 2H for monk?
strong forum
depends on build
still pagoda
for leveling
still pagoda
pillar of light. Well, i'm using it already
guess it's time to update 2H
well, will be at lvl41
@strong forum
aight, this will do it for 2-3 levels
strong forum
ye red sockets are great for leveling
still pagoda
i'm trying to remember at least something from the old days
so it's gonna be a memeworthy run
aight, upping difficulty back to master
will probably move over to torment when i fill comfy
and then raise it ASAP as this shit starts snowballing
ember vault
Hi guys, a bit of a long-winded question here. My focus in wow has always been pvp (arms), but in SL I'm planning on also tanking m+ and a bit more serious raiding with my guild. I'm gonna go Kyrian for pvp which looks to be good for prot as well, so that's great. I've been looking at the conduits though, and it seems like I can't just swap them between specs willy-nilly since it has a resource cost. Do you think a better option would be to focus on pvp with one of the soulbinds (pelagos), and pve with another? And as a follow-up to that question, which soulbind would be best for tanking after pelagos? Cheers
sweet summit
yeah you can have pelagos for pvp and kleia for tanking
ember vault
Brilliant, thanks Erga!
dire jolt
Hi all, new to warrior and tanking, any advice / resources for learning the SL dungeons so Im prepared for M+? Didnt get into beta unfortunately
open monolith
Yeah. When the expansion comes out, read the adventure guide in game :)
I'm helping
sweet summit
there are lots of guides on youtube, jeathe and growl(yumytv) has some i think
also, heroic dungeons and normal mythic dungeons as you gear up the first week(s) helps familiarize yourself with the dungeons
as for routes and shit, things are still up in the air
dire jolt
there are lots of guides on youtube, jeathe and growl(yumytv) has some i think
a...
Thanks, will give those a watch
still pagoda
@strong forum god. My luck is neverending. Easy cube item for lvl70 and boss oneshot machine for current situation
ember vault
Always nice getting good cube items while leveling
dense pivot
open monolith
I beat Diablo on Inferno difficulty before the RMT auction house was implemented, and before the difficulty was nerfed, using a Barbarian
Bow before my accomplishment, plebs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/jyiliq/is_prot_warrior_really_that_bad_going_in_to_sl
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck youtubers who make tier lists REEEEE
still pagoda
I beat Diablo on Inferno difficulty before the RMT auction house was implemented...
RIP auction house
oak dock
Evening fellaz .. does anyone know macro for charge, intercept, hamrstring?.. not much on google
ionic fern
You want all 3 of them on one macro? π
clever parcel
Thoughts on Night Fate, Korayn for tanking m+?
clever parcel
that guide doesn't reflect the pelagos nerfs
solar crown
Ok, and? Spear and phial is still better i guess
clever parcel
and? He says rage generation and damage is higher from aftershock. spear could be the advantage for kiting, but night fae get blink. it also says pelagos has edge cuz vers, but it doesnt give that anymore
deep steppe
Kyrian is still bis
Nf is a close 2nd
If you have your heart set on NF, then go
You shouldnβt be prevented from doing any content if you pick NF
solar crown
Ok
clever parcel
@deep steppe Yeah i know both are viable, I'm just failing to see which part of the pelagos kit makes it bis for m+
solar crown
If you wanna go night fae then do that. You asked for thoughts and my thought is that spear and phial itself is 2good. But sure, go night fae if you like it
clever parcel
@solar crown You're right, I asked for thoughs, but you really haven't said anything except for quote an outdated wowhead guide.
solar crown
Havent played beta myself so i cant speak from personal experience. But spear with root and phial with heal + purify looks very strong to me.
Not sure why you want me to convince you that what im picking is better
Play what you like, night fae looks promising
Most that ask these types of questions have not read anything, so it seemed reasonable to send a link to it
deep steppe
From what I understand, and maybe Mwahi or Erga can correct me
Spear and Aftershock, you can intheory just call them equal
one has more damage, one has a bigger area easier to use
but vial is > blink
cause of all the bleeds
the pelagos soulbind was a "nice bonus"
and it still is pretty pog
ionic fern
The part that makes Kyrian better is that it's a lot less situational.
While Ancient Aftershock does deal more damage and generates more Rage in AoE it deals more if the enemies are standing in the AoE left behind by the initial attack.
That's a lot of time that you can't be moving around.
On ST AA also falls behind on Spear in both Rage gain & damage dealt.
inland garnet
yeah you can have pelagos for pvp and kleia for tanking
Hmm... why is Mikanikos sub-par choice for m+ tanking and pvp?
timber nest
for leveling are we gemming haste or vers in mythic nya gear?
fiery badge
I feel like every tank specβs BiS is Kyrian
With the exception of bear tank, because Necrolord is being debated
fiery badge
Aesthetically itβs the most boring covenant imo but oh well
open monolith
Aesthetically it's the only covenant that doesn't look like shit
sterile narwhal
maybe
100% drop chance
no bonus rolls in SL
thanks
Yo guys, is it viable to craft legendary right at the start ? Or should i wait until the raid ?
open monolith
I think week 2 is earliest now
proven breach
With the exception of bear tank, because Necrolord is being debated
All 4 are good for bear it comes down to preference.
glacial ridge
I think wait first week, just farm the recipes you can. Then make your decision just in case bliss keep adjusting. Iβm going venthyr for Fury/Arms, so I guess Iβve got a dead button to press when tanking m+ as prot unless itβs just faceroll and can spend rage without worrying about mitigation
Blizz* damn autocorrect on phone
glacial ridge
You still got the general ones, plus for other specs, but yeah if youβre just doing prot only...
still pagoda
@steep bone @strong forum filthy casul made it to lvl70
technically, one hell of a good SL launch repetition
fiery badge
@open monolith I donβt like shiney white golden stuff
All 4 are good for bear it comes down to preference.
@proven breach Thatβs good
My main is a Druid and I mostly PvP as balance, Kyrian is good for boomy PvP. Iβll have to redo conduits and soulbinds etc but at least I wonβt need a new covenant for if I decide to tank on my Bear.
open monolith
The only correct one for druid is convoke the spirits
Because it's fucking cooooooooool
proven breach
It's also pretty crazy in pvp as feral
proven breach
> All 4 are good for bear it comes down to preference.
<@224245651360186368> T...
Yes we usually say in bear chat if you're going to off spec something on your bear pick whatever is best for them because it'll work for bear as well.
spice ocean
yeah, it could be a little stronger but it's definitely the most interesting. you can typhoon > moonkin form > balance convoke to get a starfall
or typhoon > drop shapeshift > convoke to do some mad healing
which is exactly the sort of thing bears should be able to do by default
open monolith
Why typhoon first
spice ocean
because when you drop bear form you lose all your armor and ironfur
you'd get one shot if you were in melee and tried it
grave flower
Wait Iβm sorry. I might of missed the timeline on legendary crafting but whatβs the idea, youβll be able to have legendaries by week 2?
Or week two of raid release, so like the 15th of December
woven kiln
I'm so torn on night fae vs kyrian. What are y'all going for for mythic raiding and decent m+?
mellow patio
Kyrian
Night fae not far behind though, but it is behind
On top of kyrian just feeling better to play imo
native mesa
Kyrian just seems too good and smooth as well
lethal kite
Night Fae and Kyrian are close but Kyrian pulls ahead so that on top of Night Fae being harder to use perfectly makes it a bigger diff imo
astral crystal
in 46 hours we'll all be playing shadowlords
civic rover
@fiery badge venthyr is better for bears if they pull big, which they should, and necro is best for brew atm.
astral crystal
raid: shadowlords
candid path
Brew is legitimately competitive between everything except Venthyr.
candid path
lol
ionic flare
Will the difference between Kyrian and Fae be enough to make it a pain point for pwar?
ionic fern
No.:)
civic rover
nah. they're both p good
odd phoenix
Recommended lego for raid?
ionic flare
just asking because I don't wanna make my pwar friendo go fae if it's going to hurt him significantly
but it won't matter for his bracket of content, I guess
lol
civic rover
then kyrian because ROOK transmog
ionic fern
Recommended lego for raid?
The Wall.
odd phoenix
Ty
The second guide in the pin goes to the article but all the links in that article just 404
Fyi
Like best legendary best conduits etc
ionic fern
just asking because I don't wanna make my pwar friendo go fae if it's going to h...
Don't make him go anything and let him play what he wants..it's not like picking Necro for example make the class unplayable.
ionic flare
true
more of the factor is that since I'm playing bear I can just
adapt to whatever he plays
and I honestly may just let him pick a covenant rather than telling him what's BiS
but he's going to want to play same cov as me
jagged bane
anyone know if the go-to arms kyrion pvp conduits will work for Prot?
ionic flare
we do everything together for normal level content
maiden ravine
I do feel bad it's 10% behind on fury and arms
Not sure how they fix banner for dps
ionic flare
he hates making suboptimal picks but mostly does heroic/very light mythic/+15 range content
so I guess it doesn't really matter at all
lol
civic rover
ye just keep in mind pugging without the optimal covenant might be a challenge
sick sentinel
Sadly they life we in vs elitists
odd phoenix
Where will the wall pattern drop ?
sick sentinel
Live*
sick sentinel
Rip
odd phoenix
Any idea where you can farm The Wall come release
shut summit
comes from raid boss, hungering destroyer
void hill
The other day I saw Max showing off a plater mod that shows your kick on the plater frame. Anyone know what that is? I can't find it wago
fiery badge
@civic rover I gotcha, if I can get away with clearing my weekly 15 as a bear as Kyrian Iβll be Gucci, since boomkin Kyrian is the PvP covenant
civic rover
ye for all the tanks kyrian is the best defensively but for most people they don't need a defensive boost from borrowed power to survive.
exceptions to this are prot war, prot pala, and VDH since kyrian is just ridiculously good for them
maiden ravine
Wanna know how rough it is for vdh? They're going Kleia as weak as valiant strikes is currently
fiery remnant
I really really really like the idea of being a necrolord warrior. Am I super trolling If I pick them for prot?
fallow iron
Is dragon roar and booming voice still a choice? Or is BV just better? Also is there a guide up that focuses on level 60 prot warrior instead of prepatch gameplay? I'm tryin to set up my weakauras early.
maiden ravine
@fiery remnant I would say no for content up to +15s. It doesn't give rage like Kyrian or Night Fae, so it'll make things a bit harder, but not impossible.
frosty scarab
ye thats half the reason im picking the best ones
I have this funny feeling anyway, this will happen. Because every silly elitist is like: omg prot warr is c tier according to youtuber x. Even my guildies are like: good luck doing anything as prot because its too weak.
nova rover
Are warriors still about middle of the pack tanks
or did bears actually get to mid tier?
nova rover
I heard the same @frosty scarab but thats what i thought coming into BFA and bears hurt bad
as in you struggled vs a warrior
frosty scarab
I will play prot, and find my way in the content i wanna do. Aim is all seasonal mounts and a bit higher keys, like 18s or so.
Its just getting silly how we get talked down the drain as a spec / class by so many people
fallow iron
BV > DR due to DR nerf now
Thanks
fiery remnant
You guys really get shamed for playing prot?
deep steppe
I personally don't, no.
but I'm pretty much the only person in my group of friends that actually tanks so. When I say I'm going Prot War, everyone just kinda accepts it.
frosty scarab
Wouldnt call it shamed, but atleast some people in my guild called it an "bad move" considering i will be focusing on m+ and might have to pug more than i can play with guildies due to my work schedule. (Basically a "friends" guild from years past nothing special)
nova rover
I will play prot, and find my way in the content i wanna do. Aim is all seasonal...
The way I read it, we are "C" tier because we cant do a group heal and brez
I will feel it out, but I always come to main my prot warrior. Im sure 18+ will be achievable
frosty scarab
The way I read it, we are "C" tier because we cant do a group heal and brez
Yeah, maybe you are right. And the 2nd part aswell, i always played my warrior over the last 15 years regardless of "how bad" we are according to people. And always have done fine
deep steppe
just take eng, get battle rez, unstoppable now π
livid granite
is venth good for tanking ?
lethal kite
Not really right now it's being out performed by Kyrian and Night Fae handily
livid granite
damn it
lethal kite
I feel your pain
Ngl when the abilities were announced I was between Venthyr and Necrolords for what I wanted to go
livid granite
@lethal kite choosen i am mainly dps but you know at the beginning of expansion i am obligied to run as a tank so me and my friends can gear up faster .
lethal kite
Lol makes sense
livid granite
now am confused on what to pick
lethal kite
The biggest pro and con of being a dps main with a tank spec
What spec do you play normally?
blissful iris
If you gonna tank just very very randomly take what you want for dps and suck it up for the prot stuff imo
livid granite
I play fury with raid but you know sometimes i like to tank in some pugs because trusting random tanks from pugs can be pain .
lethal kite
Cause Venthyr is definitely doable especially if you aren't planning on pushing hard content as a tank
TRUUUUE
blissful iris
wont matter then
lethal kite
If you want the Jack of all trades Kyrian is your best bet but Venthyr has good enough soulbinds and Condemn isn't so bad for tanking that you can't use it
livid granite
umm sounds reasonable
nova rover
just take eng, get battle rez, unstoppable now π
hahhaha
nova rover
Yeah, maybe you are right. And the 2nd part aswell, i always played my warrior o...
Ive played xpacks with every tank and I usually end up enjoying prot warrior most
silver minnow
Do you guys normally spec prot during leveling? Or go dps spec. Trying out tanking for the first time in the beginning of the xpac.
lethal kite
Personally I go fury for leveling and swap to Prot for dungeons and sometime elites if needed
But I suggest playing whatever spec you want to learn how to play more if you're unfamiliar with one
Leveling is the best time to get comfy with a rotation/spec
silver minnow
Yea, I intend to main fury with prot offspec for the quick dungeon queues at the beginning
Was thinking to how to balance the gear I get during leveling
lethal kite
If you like single-minded fury then that makes things a lot easier lol
lethal kite
Good luck!
fiery remnant
i really wanna go necrolord but idk i dont wanna feel super weak because of it
lethal kite
I feel you
jagged pier
I mean you can go it, probably still will be able to clear whatever content you want π€·, just probably wont be able to do like WF and highest keys
lethal kite
And tbh the Necrolord Soulbinds are probably good enough for tanks to keep you feeling strong into the higher keys
Alongside the hope of buffs to the covenant with the least classes picking it for BiS
jagged pier
well you might get buffs in the first patch, in the interview ion did say they were gunna save stuff like that for patchs
maiden ravine
they'll be conservative
not that they won't buff things
just they will do their best to not upset the relative rankings
jagged pier
^^
maiden ravine
They'll definitely bring necrolords in closer if no one takes it
Like it's 10% behind for Fury and Arms, they will do something
lethal kite
They honestly might be making it worse due to the massive amount of vocal hype for the Necrolords
maiden ravine
nah, doubt it
They've spent more time trying to fix and reword necrolord abilities recently than any other covenant. I'm kinda surprised we didn't see a banner rework of some sort yesterday
jagged pier
whatever they do objectively it will still be our worst ability probably, giving crit and no rage gen probably still a long cd etc etc
maiden ravine
Only one dps spec actually likes Necrolords outright and for 3 others it's situational.
2 of 6 tanks are considering Necrolords and it's only cause they can go any 3-4 and be fine
hybrid sierra
is it bad, that i wanna go necrolord for the soulbind ability to get free ore? π
maiden ravine
1 of 6 healer specs outright likes it best, and situational for 2 others.
Nah, not at all. π Bags of free stuff are great
hybrid sierra
at least the crit is better than the other banner π
maiden ravine
especially since crafters will be ravenous for materials
hybrid sierra
.... might be a reason >.>
<.<
i will say necrolord from a defensive aspect, is really good but for dps it can be slightly poor
20% max health and a shield based on health
maiden ravine
Eh.. defensively it kinda struggles compared to the rage Kyrian and Night Fae give.
Even I can admit that, and I actually like banner.
hybrid sierra
true
jagged pier
both are really not that good sorry
maiden ravine
Fleshcraft is probably underrated for m+. It's a massive shield, just attached to a covenant many specs don't like
hybrid sierra
i like the look and "idea" of banner but practicality of it is meh
maiden ravine
It's certainly better than door
jagged pier
yer if you want to waste time in a dungeon channeling on dead bodys to get a pretty medicore shield