That makes me proud tbh
#protection
modern brook
cerulean quest
Maybe a super basic question... but SB vs IP... in a dungeon like Freehold, SB > IP?
uneven mason
both
sweet summit
SB>IP everywhere except shadow of Zul, Rixxa, Razdunk (without obelisk), P1 king mechagon (without obelisk) and skitra
uneven mason
SB you use anytime you're being melee'd
sweet summit
IP is used to smooth damage taken, as a compliment to SB mostly
uneven mason
IP you use any time you're taking damage
SB will be priority
but SB is not mutually exclusive from IP (they stack)
cerulean quest
Ok thanks - Think i've been getting that slightly wrong
prioritising dumping rage into IP, as it's ALL dmg, rather than SB (left over rage if i have it)
e.g. sometimes stacking two IP over 1 IP & 1 SB...
thanks guys
uneven mason
If its meleeing, you need SB up
if you have spare rage, hit IP
if its just spell/DoT damage, but not being melee'd - use only IP and sito n your SB charge
modern brook
@cerulean quest in #268491842637660160 theres a spreadsheet with a list of reflectable spells on a per dungeon / raid fight basis. included in this theres a sample breakdown of the damage intake in that dungeon/fight
cerulean quest
Ah ok - great thank you!
modern brook
You can use that to get an idea of how much value SB has over the course of a given dungeon
(note: its generally a lot)
cerulean quest
Like i said, i am currently tanking 8-10 keys at 100 ilvl.... so pretty low... but finding it OK. The tanking is not the issue in the group we have 😄
Thanks a lot guys
modern brook
npnp
civic rover
yeah a lot of it just takes playing a lot and getting everything down to muscle memory
last mason
Honestly for me the hardest part isn’t necessarily the class mechanics, it’s learning them in relation to the dungeon mechanics
Learning the dungeon, what everything in it does, and how your spec has to deal with it is the hardest part of tanking imo
civic rover
hardest thing for me was learning that sometimes the best thing to do, is just run tf away while ur shit comes back up
cerulean quest
Aha yeah just starting kiting and letting my healer catchup/CDs come up, works well
sick oracle
Would you guys recc. running punish at a low level? I have a hard time keeping aggro in dungeons in boss fights with adds
Can devastate help when everything else is on cd?
sweet summit
doubt that would do much
the issue is youre most likely not pressing buttons, as dumb as that sounds
our damage profile has changed quite a bit from BFA. now, instead of thunderclap being top damage, revenge slaps
so first id want you to try and use revenge a bit more often
you still want to use Shield Slam and Thunderclap on cooldown, to generate rage
sick oracle
yeah, thats what I have tried doing, but then I dont have rage for shield block
sweet summit
what talents have you been running? are you undergeared compared to your dps? do you have logs?
sick oracle
and trust me, one of the biggest differences I have had to come to terms with switching over from xiv is how weird it feels to have no buttons to hit and miss gcds because of no resource
that was like the biggest no no in xiv, you never miss a gcd
sweet summit
it happens, but its fairly rare for prot
sweet summit
oh lol yeah ok
thats why
xD
dont over complicate leveling
nothing is balanced around leveling
sick oracle
fair enough, I just have had a hard time keeping aggro on large packs, tanking in this game is much different, just have to get used to it
sweet summit
aye, ive never played xiv so idk
civic rover
i played a bit of ESO and tanking in that was a funhouse
civic rover
you could only have like 6 or 7 abilities at once lmfao
sweet summit
i think devastator is lowkey useless for you at that level
sick oracle
I lied, Im level 16, but toottip says SS deals 96 dmg and generates 15 rage
I can see SS rank 3 at level 28, but dont see a rank 2
sick oracle
adds a proc to like 4 other spells that resets SS cd
sick oracle
thank god, so much nicer having a button to hit until then
sick oracle
thanks for the help m8
modern brook
Really glad to see that in the update based around leveling changes like half the classes have teir 1 talents that arent useful until 10+ levels after you can get them
modern brook
idt time invested really matters the fact that you can level up and get a talent and have it be a trap for 12 levels is a fundemental issue with leveling - which is doubly embarassing since the level squish was supposed to make leveling more enjoyable / impactful
sweet summit
I love this game 
worn minnow
Hey fellas. Dunno if I can just throw this in here like this, but I saw a details for freehold +12 did 73% ignore and 44% shield block do I need more rage and or better timing?
U know seeing aside whether I used the CDs at the right time or not, I just made sure both were up when stuff was smashing my face
jagged pier
^^
cosmic canyon
@modern brook you can just respec for free in town?
@worn minnow you use bolster or am or?
frigid chasm
long as your resting
cosmic canyon
Add bolster time to your sb time
When you engage a pack you want full uptime on your mitigation. Shield block specifically. But also be "ready" with Shield wall, potions, shock wave and so on. If your Shieldblock uptime/charges run out you should consider to move away or kite. Basically shield block is your first priority for rage consumption at most given points. ~~ end of fights excluded, where if your damage intake pattern is fine, you may recharge your sb stacks in prep for next pack.
Make sure to face the mobs. Make sure to don't forget other mitigation, such as demo shout/smart trinket usage etc
frigid chasm
i hate pushing shield block to 0 charges though. am i supposed to always keep at least 1 charge?
cosmic canyon
No
You want sb before you take damage
You want other abilities to save you once you drop to low HP
If you fight a pack of mobs and your sb runs out, you apply the next one, even if it means you run out of charges, they don't overlap. You simply add to the duration of your old one.
If you are out of charges and out of mitigation, jump away with leap. Have help from your healer to heal full wait for sb to get back then jump in again ^^
Or charge or w/e
frigid chasm
leap as mitigation is genius and im disappointed i never thought of that. thanks.
cosmic canyon
Any time.
More advanced, but you can also dance around corners to cancel enemy spell-casts and to bring mobs to you to stack them up. Just make sure to be in communication with your healer. So you don't LoS him too badly.
Once stacked, communicate with your team again to help crowd control the mobs with binding shot, tar traps, blizzards, vortex, etc etc etc.
frigid chasm
great advice
modern brook
@modern brook you can just respec for free in town?
@cosmic canyon the fact that you can level up and get a talent and have it be a trap for 12 levels is a fundemental issue with leveling - which is doubly embarassing since the level squish was supposed to make leveling more enjoyable / impactful
cosmic canyon
I see your point mate. But you spend what? 5 hours ingame within that window. And then weeks or months on higher level where it all makes sense
There is a lot of abilities and perhaps there would be substance to change the entire row with an entire row further down the tree, but I'm sure they've thought about it from a more full/wide perspective
Make a suggestion in the forums
I mean you're not wrong..
frigid chasm
honestly though anyone says that leveling isnt enjoyable now hasn't experienced the first 10 yrs of world of warcraft
i feel like the pacing was perfect for me to discover and learn to utilize my abilities vs. time to get to 50 but thats just imho
woven trellis
do we talk about dragon roar nerf
grand drum
what is dragon roar?
jade raptor
Wasn't dragon roar a movie of a man and his dragon share the same heart?
woven trellis
s
so
can someone explain to me
why
i take twice more damage
after reset
than before?
mellow patio
Like in what, a key?
woven trellis
in two keys
ive been doings 25-28 all week long
and then after reset
i mean server reset, not affix reset, i do KR24 and a Sots23
and i can barely survive
sand pebble
They nerfed the heart stats and some trinkets, bursting is doing a heap more damage
brittle owl
you don't miss interrupts in 25+ keys
strong forum
hah
hahaha
hah
youve seen my group mael
ill have you know you can very well miss interrupts in 25+ keys
brittle owl
🤔
strong forum
its true
strong forum
powerful
strong forum
extremely powerful
brittle owl
honest plinth
What a nice Green biceps
honest plinth
@woven trellis read about changes. You cant do keys you did Last weeks.
brittle owl
should notice the capped delts, bulging pec, and wide lats
honest plinth
Ok ok. Green perfection.
jagged pier
yer thats old news now
jolly thistle
ill have you know you can very well miss interrupts in 25+ keys
@strong forum yeah, my group is known for only interrupting when I call for reflect
jolly thistle
Can someone write a weakaura that disables interrupts if I have spell reflect up? 
sand condor
"don;t interrupt next im reflecting"
the interrupt tracker
cd:
15 sec
15 sec
20 sec
30 sec
mine: off cd
spellreflect: 3 seconds left
or like at the very least that yells "dont interrupt"
jolly thistle
I usually just call I’m next and don’t Tell them im reflecting 
Seems to work a bit better
sweet summit
Turn you back to the mobs and insta die
Get revenge on the 2heads 
strong forum
I often have to repeat myself like 7 times while the cast is going
That im reflecting
And even then its not always working
fathom robin
did spell ids change? i had a weakaura for battleshout going and it says missing aura since the update
while i got bs up 😄
wtf? 😄
thorny saddle
was bursting damage hotfixed already?
sweet summit
its been changed to SL values now
strong forum
oh is that what made 1 guy feel like hes taking so much dmg
mellow patio
Lmao healers on the struggle bus this week
sweet summit
good
sweet summit
huge
sweet summit
ams it 
strong forum
rally cry
rigid edge
Do a barrel roll
strong forum
but what about, having a replay of bfa
where people loot their old legion chest
and get omega keys early
mellow patio
Nothing better than getting a key you aren’t good enough to complete
sacred yarrow
Hey guys outside of WF raiding will i be fine going Prot war for CE prog? Or am i trolling by not picking the "Meta" tank classes.
sacred yarrow
Thanks for the feedback!
mellow patio
Can’t is the cancer of happen
soft willow
Anyone used impending victory?
30% max hp heal for 10 rage seems op
but ive never seen anyone talk about it
is it any good?
unreal forum
Probably get more healing out of indomitable as long as you spend more than 300 rage every 30 sec which seems pretty easy
Plus the max health increase
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
Oh rip
strong forum
live keys are now scaled up to shadowlands scaling again, since its shadowlands release patch
chilly brook
Feelsbadman
strong forum
wowhead post soon i guess 😉
modern brook
Is that why no tank can hold aggro anymore?
strong forum
its skittish
modern brook
I've pulled through tricks 3 times
strong forum
mellow patio
How come no one asks me to tank for them
woven radish
ionic fern
Come tank for me Hawgz.
chilly brook
Come double tank with me in keys @mellow patio
undone sun
Don't come tank with me hawgz
civic rover
5 prot warr keys?
strong forum
Hf with regular scaled keys again
woven radish
strong forum
🤥
I did my weekly for the off-chance that we can open the chests day 1 again
Shit hurts
uneven mason
You'll get an appropriate item level reward
jagged pier
hopefully get from weekly cache next week as done 15 this week and bliz can never fix this things
strong forum
Did a 24, gimme that anima
jagged pier
well I tired to do a 20 but people in 20s dont know how to do thing apprently
strong forum
Ye
Rio is also bloated as shit now
People who struggled with 18s, are now like 4k+
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
Pre-patch keys up until today, were muuuuch easier
The scaling per key level was lower
Now its back up to normal again because we're on SL release patch
So a 30, in pre-patch had the same scaling as a 24 in s4 had
strong forum
Ye, if I had done a siege higher than 20 I'd be 5k aswell
But I pugged 1 siege, just to have anything there
civic rover
our comp was like, Vengenace, rogue, frost mage, unholy, mistweaver. it worked pretty well.
strong forum
Pwar, boomy, frostmage, ele/feral, rsham
Almost nobody can wheelchair harder than me
civic rover
yeah our frost mage played boomie in S4
kinda want him to go back for treants but frost mage is equally helpful for kiting
but my god vengeance feels so good it's unreal
it's not fair LMAO
civic rover
i just mash spirit bomb and use mitigation correctly and watch my DPS and HPS skyrocket
civic rover
past week i've been messing around on all the tanks and honestly i still dont know what tf i wanna main in SL
chilly brook
I just know I'm not touching that gimp ass monk class
civic rover
i'll probably main either bear, war, or pala.
strong forum
Die monk die
civic rover
i like monk in raids but monk in keys is boring af 
strong forum
My cotank is the same, he can't decide between bear pwar and pally
He still doesn't wanna give an answer as to what he's playing
He said he'll decide after leveling
civic rover
thankfully, it looks like regardless of what anyone chooses, all the tanks are looking to be pretty good
chilly brook
I sacrificed to play something else so my cotank could play pally
Even though our RL doesnt care if we play the same class as long as we have a backup
civic rover
my RL says play whatever the fuck you want but if someone is just as good as you and is playing a meta spec they could take the spot.
wait
erga i can't read im sorry
american education 
sweet summit
civic rover
when dwarves can't be DH
chilly brook
I could but then I'd be a warrior
sweet summit
When dwarfs cant be horde 
sweet summit
Wdym we never complain :)
civic rover
my guild transferred to alliance and i fucking love being a dorf
chilly brook
Dark Iron should have been horde change my mind
But I guess the alliance has to get their token edgy races
sweet summit
Ill give you vuwulpera if we get dawk iwon dwowf
sweet summit
U r doo doo :(
strong forum
sweet summit
I am doo doo ):
civic rover
my monk is a kul tiran and watching this beer bellied fuck roll around is the funniest thing to me
esp because kul tirans are basically me irl
strong forum
I think kultiran has omega synergy with monk tbh
Stagger into the heal thingy
Perma feedback loop
(not alot but still)
chilly brook
KT and DID only alliance races I think are cool
novel ruin
Vulpera is BiS
chilly brook
Vulpera is a mistake
Should have never been added
And dolly and dot should be made into coats and food
novel ruin
Vulpera is best race. And is the best tank race in the game. HEATHEN
chilly brook
No
unique narwhal
Prot war is good on pvp ? I would like to main it
modern brook
Any tank is a meme at best in pvp
the only problem with vulpera is that every single xmog on them looks like trash
unique narwhal
Sorry but i'm bad in english and i dont understand all u said ^^'
modern brook
Nothing important was said lol
Prot warrior isnt very good in pvp
Generally tanks are only good if something silly pushes then over. Like twilight devastation
simple mural
<--- pvp tanks
turbid cargo
Proud cunt here
simple mural
I had to carry most of my guild to 1500 in arena. I'm gonna do as prot and just solo it.
valid sundial
Does anyone have a conditional macro for revenge to cast when its free? Without the old cool down I feel like im pressing it to many times and wasting rage.
strong forum
Well... You should press it
Even when it does cost rage
It's your main dmg source now
So you've not been doing it wrong
You have 4 rage spenders now, instead of only 2
Revenge as your main offensive spender
SB as your main defensive spender
IP as your main defensive rage dump and smoother
Execute as big dam
The proc rate of "free revenge" is 3ppm
No longer on every parry / dodge
valid sundial
well ty for that 😄
novel ruin
One day CLAP spam will come back
novel ruin
I really dislike revenge spam compared to clap
undone sun
civic rover
yikes
maiden ravine
It's gone for a reason
modern brook
griff really gunna rush headlong into 0 for 2 opinions tonight smh
sweet summit
chilly brook
@modern brook I mean it was great in wrath baby
@maiden ravine just because it's gone doesn't mean the reason was good 😋
keen oasis
There is something that bothers me and maybe someone has an answer to that. If I have a debuff that absorbs 100% healing I receive, does it also affect my Last Stand? Will it then just increase my max hp without healing it? Or does it ignore that debuff?
keen oasis
Alright, thanks. I was really curious of that.
proper pecan
Dont you dare to talk like that about that precious offencive off gcd rage spender
sweet summit
silent grove
Rip heroic strike
coral marsh
bis professions for shadowlands?
coral marsh
i read something about armor enchants in sl that add the double flask duration to an item
that would kinda gut the biggest advantage?
civic rover
i mean it's an advantage with alchemy but I always go alchemy on at least one of my characters because just being able to make your own flasks and pots is really convenient and you can make a lot of gold if you sell them at the right time (like monday nights).
humble rose
You guys might get this question often but, How often do I press Ignore Pain? Literally every single time I have 40 rage and no shield block charges, and everytime I have more than 70 rage and at least one shield block charge? It's so confusing, Which one is my Demon Spikes, SotR, Ironfur, Is it Shield Block or Ignore Pain?
civic rover
shield block is the priority in most cases
ignore pain is just for extra rage to smooth damage
humble rose
Thank you, so would it be wiser to spend rage on IP or Revenge? On your average +20 key that is, Not in raids
I guess it depends on how hard I'm getting hammered like a nail?
humble rose
Thunderclap on CD is still a thing?
sweet summit
yes, TC and SS on cd
humble rose
I know the rage feedback is gone, I didn't like spamming TC anyways
When would you recommend using IP over Revenge, If I'm not 100%
Or above 80%
Just feels a little wasted to press SB and IP on 80% health, maybe I answered my own question
strong forum
Depends on every single fight
How much HP the enemy has, how much rage you have, how many enemies you're fighting
What abilities the enemies will use or if block is enough
If you have an IP up or not
What kind of enemy you're fighting, low key, high key, raid heroic /mythic
It's not really 1 dimensional
mellow patio
Excellent analysis
modern brook
You're not a DK / dh
your current health pool has no bearings on whether or not your mitigation is mitigating
If you're taking blockable damage you need a shield block charge rolling
sweet summit
What do if no SB available
mellow patio
Revenj
sweet summit
Ravanjer
winter plume
I have a potentially stupid question:
How does damage reduction get calculated? For insta,ce if 2 abilities provide 120% reduction, how does that break down mathmatically?
glass mural
sweet summit
its multiplicative, not additive
winter plume
Ah. So it uses product of resistances?
sweet summit
i dont even know what that means
winter plume
product is the result of two opr more numbers being multiplied
winter plume
LoL
sweet summit
i dont know
winter plume
All g dude
most peopel don;t use anmy form of real math day to day
My typing sucks today. sorry
sweet summit
@ionic fern help
strong forum
sounds about right
its impossible to achieve 100% DR without absorbs
be it because of multiplicators stacked ontop of each other
or because theres a hardcap for how much actual dmg resistance you can get from 1 source
modern brook
damn erga got pemdas'd
cinder fern
For something like stacked defensives in our case it applies them in steps. Shield Wall applies its reduction, then a block check if it's physical, and then IP applies its absorb to the remainder. I think that's the correct order anyways.
strong forum
in multiplication the order doesnt really matter
cinder fern
You're not wrong, but the damage we take is mitigated in that order. IP and other absorbs come last after direct mitigation.
strong forum
absorbs arent %based reductions, theyre total values
but yeah, if they are to reduce the dmg before DR, then its clearly very bad
but theyre after mitigation
so its all gucci
modern brook
wasnt that a thing with bandages?
where bandages was applied ina weird order so it got more/less value than stated
I remember bladesong talking about this.
strong forum
idk, never even once used em
modern brook
yeah no one did
warm plinth
Hi warrior cuties
sweet summit
hello there
civic rover
the f in monk stands for fun
sweet summit
the w in warrior stands for epic
strong forum
The P in <Just> stands for political correctness
civic rover
nomer before i make this joke how many in your push group are in your guild
ah ill make it anyway
the T in <Just> stands for toxicity
civic rover
like sometimes i watch your stream and you guys are just yelling at each other and i'm like hold up this isn't the shit i'm used to
civic rover
i only experience that in raid when one of the tard melee dps tells me to position the boss for his convenience and not for the interest of the raid
strong forum
It's fun
Can't wait to scream and laugh at my group cuz they don't know shit in the SL dungeons
And I'm gonna stream all of it lowkey excited to stream like 20hrs a day
civic rover
see in my push group we all get stoned and just laugh as we fuck up half of the mechanics in a 24 and still time it because VDH broken
civic rover
my RL is kinda, for lack of a better word, anal about everything.
like not in the sense of being a dick about stuff, but he will be very very very clear and straight forward if someone is fucking up to the point of causing arguments.
but at this point we have a roster is 20 people who aren't apes so it works out better now lmao
modern brook
oh good noms back i felt bad :^(
strong forum
When I raid lead, I expect too much of people
And get lazy with callouts
What where'd I go bull?
Oh
modern brook
You really gunna stream 20hrs a daY?
strong forum
Probably
modern brook
my boy
civic rover
ye my RL has high expectations but that's because we really should be doing better sometimes. he wants to aim for at least top 500 in SL.
modern brook
are you partner yet?
strong forum
I'm not even affiliate
modern brook
i got this fatty amazon prime sub
strong forum
Damn
civic rover
dont tell teenage white girls
bullfango is aboutta get cancelled for supporting big corp
modern brook
I'm not even affiliate
rip
strong forum
Soon tm
modern brook
SMH I'll stop being amazon prime as soon as im done buying everything i need for the decade
civic rover
as long as amazon offers products at a lower price than literally everywhere else idk why i wouldn't buy from amazon
civic rover
ok hate to get off topic but apparently method is back?
modern brook
they left? i dont follow this game's prog race
strong forum
Method is back, not for WF yet, but they aim for WF race participation by the end of SL
civic rover
nome when r u going for world first
strong forum
Tomorrow, in D3
civic rover
yk if you wanna get partnered quickly you could probably do viewer carries in SL S1
civic rover
i have a friend who did that in 8.1 and now streams full time, but he also only streams viewer carries.
so depends on if you wanna do that 8 hours a day lol
civic rover
i sold 5 masks when they sold for a lot bc i still needed to do them and i made so much fucking gold it was disgusting
strong forum
That's like, the worst case scenario tbh, I wanna be an entertainment boyo that's also good at vidya games.
Not a "boost me" channel
civic rover
yeah i get that
i mean, you're funny, your group is funny, you're a good tank. im sure if you committed to it hard, you could probably get partnered pretty quickly.
and i think to be a boost channel you really have to want it too, like my friend is successful because he likes doing it. he likes giving back to the wow community and all that.
strong forum
Ye, I just need to stream more often, consistency is key
But I play too little ( currently) and I don't wanna stream stuff I wouldn't wanna watch myself
Hard to do that
civic rover
i think i'm too similar to imaqtpie to gain a following
strong forum
Kek
civic rover
why would anyone watch me when they could just watch imaqtpie
although ig he doesn't really play wow or skyrim
civic rover
basically me but i'm fatter
civic rover
"you diddledongercuckerino!"
strong forum
Gotta hit the bed now, wanna start work early so I can squeeze in a nap before d3 season starts
civic rover
have fun nome
ebon lark
so far what are we looking at as the best legendary?
somber sky
Hey folks I need a sanity check. Is it normal for Shield Slam, Melee, and revenge to be higher in damage than thunderclap in prepatch?
honest plinth
yes
cosmic canyon
Unbind thunderclap
honest plinth
why would you do it? haha
cosmic canyon
it was a joke 😛
novel ruin
@lapis raptor Just fine for majority of players. Play what you enjoy, not what may or may not be meta
civic rover
ranked against other tanks? middle to back of the pack, nothing definitive because we aren't at SL just yet. Overall? All the tanks feel fucking fantastic on live and no matter what you choose you'll have fun.
icy minnow
Prot Condemn-Chad reporting in
wheat river
you're right, i'll feel better about my life if i rebrand it Condemn-Chad in my mind
icy minnow
Condemn sparks joy
wheat river
spoken like a true Chad
lapis raptor
Thanks
honest plinth
Noooooooo shadowlands channel is gone
frosty ridge
shadowlands literally cancelled
sweet summit
Finally
autumn pendant
@ionic fern you fully awake already?
autumn pendant
Good
autumn pendant
Never fluffin satisfied....
ionic fern
Nope. 😒
Always more to do.
And Always Erga asking about SIMS.
Smh
I already told you @sweet summit , the best SIMS expansion is Snowy Escape.
jagged pier
MY CHANNELS GONE D:
sweet summit
😂 😂
balmy valley
now that pelagos is nerfed (versa down and now it gives magical defense) its worth?
jagged pier
hes fine, we never went kyrian because of him anyway
balmy valley
i thought that prot wars should use him. I was wrong all the time?
ionic fern
We picked Kyrian for Spear of Bastion and Phial of Serenity, Pelagos was just a solid addition.
ionic fern
We picked Kyrian for Spear of Bastion and Phial of Serenity, Pelagos was just a ...
Yes, we should use him but the main reason we went Kyrian was for Spear and Phial.
Pelagos was/is just the best out of the 3 Soulbinds available on Kyrian.
jagged pier
praise Mwahi for pinning that
balmy valley
thanks mwahi!
lusty furnace
How much worse is Kleia compared to Pelegos after the changes? Pelegos Mastery seems more useful than the crit and the heal seemed pretty bad when I checked my HPal friends details after a dungeon or two the other day.
jagged pier
it depends ive heard that if all 5 ppl have kleia the heal is huge
maiden ravine
Kleia is bugged right now
You cannot build stacks while it is on cd
And anyone going under 50% procs it so it'll frequently go off on low stacks and be on cd again
cosmic canyon
Don't be sad
Chin up & have a great day!
@ionic fern can you see any scenario where something like Bonesmith Heirmir or any of the other Necrolords come out competitive as it stands?
lusty furnace
assuming that's a bug... @maiden ravine 😄
cosmic canyon
Is there any Cooldown on Forgeborne Reveries ?
maiden ravine
The death thing? I think so?
cosmic canyon
3% mainstat, 3% armor (6% increased armor I guess) sounds kinda nice, assuming the scaling is as it is. Sure 3 minute is a long cd on the cov ability though.
maiden ravine
I'm waiting on a necrolord buff for warriors, dh, and paladins today
cosmic canyon
😛
maiden ravine
They're bringing in the outliers
Necro is like 10% behind venthyr for fury, I'm sure they'll do something today
Inb4 condemn and spear nerfs
jolly thistle
Not sure if a simple buff is enough to make it good for prot
maiden ravine
It's not about good, just not inting to take it
gentle trellis
rip catvibe
cosmic canyon
reduction to cov ability cd I guess
jolly thistle
and I doubt they’ll do a rework at this point
maiden ravine
I mean 2 min cd on banner would line up ever so nicely with Emeni
If they didn't change anything else about it
jolly thistle
Then there’s still fleshcraft and %crit dmg as secondary buff on banner
which are kinda useless for us
maiden ravine
Banner is a numbers issue for fury and arms and thus the easiest to change
jolly thistle
yeah that would “fix” it for the dps specs
fleshcraft is 25% hp/min at best. Even the soulbind trait from Marileth- “frictionless coating” can do more healing if it’s triggered on CD
They’d need to balance a lot of the traits and even the base spells separately for each spec, which they clearly don’t have the time for
at least the transmog looks sick
jolly thistle
or you go NF and RP groot
maiden ravine
If fleshcraft was a cd not attached to a covenant it'd be considered good for 2 min on top of all over kit stuff
jolly thistle
not sure. If kyrian would need to use a soulbind trait to get the debuff removal or necro had “the different buff from corpses”already included into the base spell, it would be way more balanced
static wren
Do you guys think going venthyr as a prot warrior will make me significantly weaker than other prot warriors? I know condemn isn't the best for prot, but I haven't looked deep into the soulbinds.
jagged pier
can be argued the same for any add fights in the raid as well
ST though not much difference
jolly thistle
the soulbinds are pretty good. Nadjia for a more offensive build, Draven for def
still pagoda
or you go NF and RP groot <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
RP walking pile of shit*
sorry, couldn't hold this one
since this set looks like a pile of garbage
smoky wave
not sure. If kyrian would need to use a soulbind trait to get the debuff removal...
I suspect that'd just mean you were locked to the covenant and soulbinding rather than just the covenant
cosmic canyon
Wasteland Propriety is kinda strong though Ken
static wren
Ohh, Wasteland Propriety does look good.
jolly thistle
I suspect that'd just mean you were locked to the covenant *and* soulbinding rat...
fleshcraft is the direct competitor to kyrian phial. So you either buff one or nerf the other. The debuff removal from phial could be moved to mikanikos and give him a use case. Or you could somehow buff fleshcraft - like volatile solvent baseline.
sweet summit
Why would you want banner
jolly thistle
I don’t want banner in its current form
restive flax
Enabling tanks to parry, dodge or block during Fleshcraft would be something I'd enjoy quite a bit
And make it much better
Not only for prot warr
jagged pier
not really its still a meh absorb and only better if you stop an channel it on a corpse
also u need to channel to get it moving channels the channel its really bad
restive flax
It would still be much better than what we currently have no?
jagged pier
better but not much better
jolly thistle
If you use fleshcraft on CD between pulls in m+ you’ll loose 1min in a 30min dungeon 
restive flax
because even if fleshcraft did more shield or whatever it wouldnt be worth using unless you could block / parry / dodge during the channel
imo
Or am I wrong about that? Any given spell that makes you channel for that long during a fight is going to make you vulnerable as hell to attacks and the GCD you used to cast the shield is basicallly wasted because blocking 1 or 2 attacks wouldve mitigated more damage than the shield itself
jolly thistle
nope. You’re right. You can’t block, parry or dodge while you channel fleshcraft
You can use it between pulls. Or while kiting or after a group for bursting etc
restive flax
In M+ yeah
arctic whale
The intent of the ability seems to be that it's something you use out of combat or during downtime, not so much as an active part of combat
In raids you can use it before you taunt a boss
restive flax
If youre not tanking anything yourself then yeah that works
Not familiar with castle nathria bosses
jolly thistle
or use that 4sec to pump 
still pagoda
^
astral crystal
why sug...
sweet summit
astral crystal
jagged pier
: hippo :
warped spruce
so regarding what was said above, necro is that "meh" ... 😦
jagged pier
probably our worst covenant and always has been.
that being said you can do your mythic 15 a week and hc raids with whatever you want with no issue
pushing high guild rank and high keys is where you will have a problem
so in general pick what you want and have fun it is a game at the end of the day
south plume
Is warrior not viable at all in the raid ? i was thinking about pwarr for alt to push m+ but if i cant get in the raid i wont bother lol
jagged pier
where are these people getting we arent viable im so confused I thought our message had been pushed out onto the websites and shuch
jagged pier
the ones that are like months old at this point? 🤔
sweet summit
🤷
jagged pier
not like we havent been sat here for months saying other wise as well LUL
modern brook
Is simping for me
nice im safe
also were u not around for viable 8.0?
We didnt have death grip so everyone hated on us
jagged pier
I tanked as prot in 8.0 and did alot better than our bdk XD
astral crystal
yeah 8.0 was glory times
simpletons being amazed you could tank an entire dungeon or boss
warped spruce
@jagged pier I am not in a mythic raid guild or chasing the progress rankings, but I like to push as far as I can in M+, i'd say +18. So I don't need to min max hard, but feels like necro is almost like playing without covenant advantages
jagged pier
play what you like at that lvl dont matter at all I dont think, might hinder you a tad if you pug, but not that much people always need a tank
warped spruce
ok
lusty furnace
Does Wasteland Propriety have an ICD or something or does it reactive for 10 sec every time you Condemn something?
sweet summit
If im thinking of the right one it has a 1 min icd
modern brook
<@!179993058186625025> I am not in a mythic raid guild or chasing the progress r...
isnt necro another CD?
split eagle
is it worth going venthyr as prot warrior?
i am stuck in a position where i raid as a dps and tank in m+
sweet summit
you dont have to decide yet, arms/fury sims are still in the process. kyrian looked very close to venthyr previously for fury at least
depending on the difference you could just go kyrian, or you could level another warrior 👀
venthyr as prot is ehh, not great. youd be better off just going kyrian :p
split eagle
i have two warriors as of now xd but to gear both of them is a pain, glad to know kyrian is not far behind
sweet summit
yeap
cunning smelt
Is Thunderlord leggo still any good after the nerf or is it no longer viable?
sweet summit
its the better one for 3 or more targets
with the wall pulling ahead on 1-2 targets
modern brook
whats the wall do again erga?
i just wrote down tlords and circled it 3 times on my "things to care about for SL" notes
cunning smelt
but with Thunderlord capping at 3 targets is that a total 4.5 second reduction per pack in m+?
cunning smelt
I don't know that just doesn't sound that good especially in higher m+ keys for example where a pack of 4-5 mobs might take 30-40 seconds to kill and you only getting 4.5 seconds off the cooldown
cunning smelt
oh ok
sweet summit
with BV its a lot of rage, DR (damage reduction) and damage
modern brook
And BV makes it a Damage cd too
cunning smelt
ok that makes sense - cheers
modern brook
💥👏
sweet summit
strong forum
also were u not around for _viable_ 8.0?
i was, i peaked at #16 pwar in the world in 8.0 aka 16 out of 16
modern brook
i was, i peaked at #16 pwar in the world in 8.0 aka 16 out of 16
Thats why i amazon prime sub to ur stream tbh
still pagoda
strong forum
the good days https://i.imgur.com/sovMLTf.png
still pagoda
i was, i peaked at #16 pwar in the world in 8.0 aka 16 out of 16
how many of us will be this time around? 5? 6? 3 and a half anonymouses?
strong forum
twelveteen
still pagoda
like, i will be pushing as high as i can this tier
still pagoda
light thicket
Man td was so meme
sweet summit
close :/
still pagoda
sweet summit
yuge
brittle owl
i was r12 for 2 weeks in nyalotha 😦 then wcl done fucked up and registered my ranking after 1 month of mindless raidlogging
can you guess the caveat tho
still pagoda
🙂
sweet summit
was it healing done to tanks?
sweet summit
whats that
still pagoda
not in my case
brittle owl
💼
deep steppe
RIP shadowlands Prot chat
cosmic canyon
saw smth not sure what i saw
brittle owl
still pagoda
who cares
sweet summit
oh...
torpid granite
hey fellas
sweet summit
halo
torpid granite
hows tanking looking for the new expac
sweet summit
epic
still pagoda
ebic
torpid granite
ive heard good things
i havent played since legion
what are yalls thoughts on prot so far?
sweet summit
rock solid
cosmic canyon
looking good
lunar perch
real fun
torpid granite
ive benne heavily debaiting on warrior or DK, my brother is gonna bear tank
sweet summit
what do you enjoy more?
cosmic canyon
some likes to move
torpid granite
i enjoy both play styles honestly its hard to choose, they each have something i like
sweet summit
level both and look from there
torpid granite
warrior with the sword n bored iron dome kinda feel
and blood dk with that, solo shit attitude
cosmic canyon
Unless you are pushing really high keys, they're both viable
torpid granite
we will be most likely
cosmic canyon
undoubtly warrior has more movement
on high keys, the way; at least until now DK's been designed, they drop off on higher keys.
Warrior on the other hand, the better gear, and the longer the expansions go usually improve on the margin compared to other classes
sweet summit
"scaling" is not that big of a deal
cosmic canyon
and on really really high keys, mobility is a/o
mobility issues are less now tho in SL
due to the covenants
torpid granite
got ya
fading ingot
Sorry super noob question. Getting used to Devastator vs Punish. I should expect to have some downtime with Devastator right? Just making sure I'm not doing something overly dumb and missing something.
sweet summit
yes
sweet summit
youll still have downtime tho
cosmic canyon
run out from melee -> charge in for extra rage
etc
yes, short answer: limited downtime
fading ingot
Awesome makes sense. Thanks all!
rigid edge
How is Vengeance DH looking compared to Prot Warrior? Was discussing with a friend but don't have enough info
sweet summit
@brittle owl mr. guy you are needed
simple mural
So we doing DR/Ravager/Bolster for leveling in SL or stick with UF build?
sweet summit
DR is lowkey dead
uneven mason
RIP DR
sweet summit
🦀
simple mural
That's what I figured, but voice and Ravager is gonna make me drown in rage.
cosmic canyon
DR wasnt 'that' bad though doing quick math after a run
uneven mason
hit that Revenge hard
cosmic canyon
it was equivalent to BV in terms of "damage"
20% * uptime 0.xx // total damage from BV after key: 6.x %
erhm
DR after key
both equal ish
Snap threat vs extra rage
sweet summit
@simple mural for leveling it doesnt matter anyway, its leveling. you do you :)
simple mural
But I got to go fast! I didn't farm out this hunger of the pack trinket for nothing!!!
novel ruin
Saying hi to my old cave
I’ve been promoted to Tardigrade in BAER chat
Cuz I lost a bet
sweet summit
what does that mean
novel ruin
I had a bet with someone on when SL release date. I said Dec. he said Nov. Winner got to choose m+ push tank, covenant, race and name
sweet summit
oh shit
sweet summit
nelf
brittle owl
How is Vengeance DH looking compared to Prot Warrior? Was discussing with a frie...
VDH: more damage, similar if not more available snap threat, similar AM downtime issues, waaaay weaker outside AM than warrior
also more mobility
novel ruin
Warrior buttons > VDH buttons
novel ruin
Warrior has Clap
sweet summit
edge
novel ruin
I endorse this message
south plume
Whats the current end game talent build for warrior ? Specially in m+
sweet summit
novel ruin
Why did blizzard gut Dragon Roar?
brittle owl
they gave back the triple dam
sweet summit
because fury i think
brittle owl
on crit
sweet summit
they never took it away
sweet summit
was a tooltip error
brittle owl
goddang
sweet summit
novel ruin
Cuz fury was over simming totally /s
sweet summit
:v)
mellow patio
Furygud
sweet summit
yeas
sweet summit
you = lame
novel ruin
Fury is now BiS warrior spec for SL
sweet summit
😎
novel ruin
sweet summit
:(
mellow patio
Did they merge the chats or did they finally ban me
sweet summit
bit of both i think
mellow patio
Missing out on my quality insight on shadowlands that is a damn shame
sweet summit
FEAR NOT BROTHER, FOR THE INSIGHT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU! IN THIS CHAT!
mellow patio
vivid orchid
chilly brook
Did they merge the chats or did they finally ban me
You were just too tosic
honest plinth
what are you all doing here d3 season is here
ebon hound
d3
honest plinth
nou
inland mesa
Sad day of channel merge, happy day shadowlands closer, sadge day max said we are worst class for raid and people will listen D:
sweet summit
unlucky
uneven mason
👍
junior ivy
andlook at these new yellow people
uneven mason
wat?
sweet summit
:(
uneven mason
its been orange?
sweet summit
its clash of clans
junior ivy
no its new
uneven mason
ok
sweet summit
we're no longer playing wow
junior ivy
it wasnt always orange
uneven mason
I mean
chilly brook
it wasnt always orange
It's been orange for over a week
chilly brook
I feel sorry for you
sweet summit
on monday
chilly brook
Monday
sweet summit
hopefully
junior ivy
oh you mean this upcoming monday
sweet summit
yeah
frosty scarab
so what kind of talent setup are people looking into for Prot? Due to my lack of beta access i had to take everything from vids / guides etc, and most of them seem to say: AM wins over Bolster etc etc, wish i could have tested it all myself
sweet summit
sweet summit
you can play BV+UF+AM but its a lot less tanky due to the loss of shield block uptime gained from bolster
frosty scarab
thanks Erga and Jakey
humble stream
jagged pier
I mean conduits are kind of your preference tbh
sweet summit
tuning is still happening
jagged pier
like some ppl like 2potencyx 2 endurance others like a different combination
just pick what you like but make sure you have at least 1 potentcy for your cov conduit
frosty scarab
hopefully i can prove my guildies wrong, especially since they are so into the mindset of: prot is utterbullcrap specc for SL and you have to play VDH or Monk to even run M+
sweet summit
go get em tiger
jagged pier
^^
frosty scarab
''only'' aiming for 18s /19s tops tho, dont really had the urge to push beyond those levels ever since M+ got introduced
sweet summit
youll be 100% fine for that as a prot warrior
chilly brook
how are prot warriors
Not as good as BFA but still good, BFA playstyle is kinda dead in higher content
frosty scarab
yeah i figured i should be doing fine, been on my warr for 15 years, and usually get my stuff done regardless of being ''meta'' or not. Just this time it seems so biased towards other tanks / proper convenants that i do fear just a little bit for pugging
and my attempts to find a proper M+ team this xpac was in vein due to my silly work schedule ;P
chilly brook
yeah i figured i should be doing fine, been on my warr for 15 years, and usually...
Just run your own keys and you don't have to worry about it
frosty scarab
yeah, even used to do that regardless tho 😛
undone sun
where is <@!140655388730064896>
Hello
frosty scarab
thanks for the help once again 😉 kind players on here 😄
sweet summit
undone sun
whats the breed @junior ivy
junior ivy
tabby