#protection
steep bone
but what i made is basically 1:1 of what he has so if you like layout, feel free to use :p
spare estuary
steep bone
Yup
still pagoda
@steep bone with so many different new cds to add to bars, i think I'll push even more stuff down to hidden utility bar
Namely, party cds
slow steppe
is nullification dynamo a worthy minor essence, just top help prop up our not-so-great magic mitigation?
dusky mica
You use it as a minor for dps on raid bosses, yeah.
burnt torrent
Aight bois
Im back again
After having the meeting with my guild
About trying to main a prot warrior next expac
what they are going off is the classes "effective health" sim
@sweet summit @still pagoda @chilly brook
chilly brook
tell them they're retarded
still pagoda
chilly brook
like actually retarded
still pagoda
That's actually a fucking retardation
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
EHP, but it is only a resource, not a sim
I can pull off 10mil+ ehp on my prot on live, but it won't mean anything
chilly brook
@burnt torrent tell them there are logs on beta and to actually use some concrete information not some noxxic level theorycrafting
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
there has literally never been a sim for survival so idk where this "ehp sim" is
still pagoda
@chilly brook there is an ehp tracker WA, but it is not a fucking sim
And it is used for completely different things ffs
chilly brook
Also remind them nicely that prot warrior was both supposedly completely trash can level and not viable in 8.0 yet they ended up amazing and plenty of guilds higher world rank in 8.0 had prot warriors who got CE. Oh and also kindly remind them that going into BFA DH was supposed to be a god in M+ and it ended up being one of the worst picks for it @burnt torrent
making decisions on tanks based on beta tuning rn is literally worthless
still pagoda
@burnt torrent just remind them that they're not on the level where fotm rolling does anything and that realm 20 on A52 is still not the place where it would matter
topaz ember
just send him threating messages until he stops asking you to swap
burnt torrent
So in the meeting with the 3 officers, I basically told them I do not have a decision
And that until they release a final version of the game and balance tuning
still pagoda
Well, i would abandon this right after this shit started if it was me in your place
burnt torrent
Well, i like the people in the raid group, but i would rather them just let me play what I want to play
Should i tell my officers to get in skyhold discord? lmao
shadow bay
what other major essence can u use currently for m+
if i dont have conflict
last week used mass taunt, obv
before that vision of perf every week
calm cove
Theres about a 0.1% chance monk wont be the best raid tank
chilly brook
@burnt torrent I would tell them to actually talk to other tanks specifically some of the higher ranked ones in this discord or others. Also raid teams are not a 1 way street, all 20 +bench players on your roster have agreed to be there and use their time and perform. If the leadership doesn't trust you all as players then it's going to cause major issues.
calm cove
M+ depends on more than just class balance
chilly brook
Yes there are situations where certain tanks might be better, but not to the point where it will realistically be the difference between being able to kill a boss and not being able to kill a boss
What you're doing in terms of positioning and controlling the fight have far more impact on whether you kill a boss than your choice of tank
right
back to Baldur's Gate 3
modern brook
for real tho; the rig lookin like its tryna be Volgin
normal edge
I've only just started playing Prot Warrior today, went to my first raid as a tank and I find it quite difficult to check where the debuff is that I need to tank swap with as I have so many buffs/debuffs (as well as also checking co-tanks debuffs). How do people deal with this? (I use base UI and I'm not too keen on changing that)
steep bone
Get co-tank weak aura, and config it. It warn you when your other tank has enough stack for u to taunt etc - brain dead wa making it even easier to tank raids, using it myself xd
And get raid weak auras
Mwahi linked it ^^
ionic fern
It won't change your base UI outside of just adding the icon somewhere for you.
steep bone
It’s not gonna do everything for you tho. Like on cara we still used voice as I could spell reflect debuff, wa would tell you to swap let’s say at 2-3 but realistically you can sit with him more
brittle owl
me and my cotank have developed a system of communication using grunts and sighs
still pagoda
neolithic tanking as it is
But really, all you need is WA to show your stacks and a co-tank WA
And also BigWigs/DBM
steep bone
DBM
still pagoda
For those with lack of attention span
south yarrow
Hasn't DBM been on point this tier, after the deal with Limit?
steep bone
Dunno, but i remember dbm as addon with lack of configuration
normal edge
Thankyou for the link 🙂 is there also a way of telling when to Spell Reflect?
Or is it pretty much play and learn over time that, that shit hurts, next time use spell reflect?
steep bone
that you need to know on your own, there's spreadsheet listing all reflectable damage, but you could make yourself weak auras telling you that reflectable cast is being cast on you
sick sentinel
@normal edge But yes. The more you play the more you learn when and what to reflect. Almost every dungeon has at least 1 ability which does giga high reflect damage. Its now pretty unnecessary to learn it since its end of expansion. But I can give you a WA showing you the abilities which u should reflect
For example idk, the monstrosity in Junkyard or the 4th boss at waycrest or something
steep bone
witches in wm, lord waycrest, third boss in ml, zap debuff on robots after second boss in workshop (you gotta be only alone in range to have double reflect tho), last boss first phase in workshop, spit from maggots in wm. There's lots of stuff
cinder fern
At the same time, it's also free magic dr on a short cooldown if you don't have an actual spell that needs reflecting coming up.
normal edge
Anyone have recommendations for addons to help with tracking what adds I have aggro on? I currently am using Threat plates however when there's a lot of mobs together the names go into a list rather than stacking over the top of each other so it can be hard to select which mob I'm attack. As well as large mobs/bosses the nameplate is glued to above their head so if their head is off my screen I can't see their health
sweet summit
i use Plater
normal edge
Like dim Threat Plates, but as soon as I pull a bunch of mobs together, their nameplates turn into like a list and just expand upwards above and below each other rather than stacking over each other in a big bundle
sweet summit
have you looked into the settings? maybe you can change it
normal edge
Like I have to look up to see that top nameplate
Yeah I have but I'm either too tired to see it or am just stupid
I may or may not be an ape
I don't wanna talk about it
strong forum
You have stacking nameplates with insane amount of spacing
Either turn off stacking or reduce the spacing
sweet summit
👀
novel ruin
Stacking nameplates tends to be better but yeah, reduce the spacing in between em
distant crystal
just keep your head in the sky
sometimes you gotta look at the ceiling to target the mob you wanna stop 😏
steep bone
just don't pull more than 5-6 enemies at a time, problem solved
real orchid
Will warrior still be decently strong in pre-patch, given that we still have access to azerties & essences?
sweet summit
ya
real orchid
everything in sl beta looks a lot less fun comparing to pre-patch with all the nerfs to conv, legs, and conduits across the board
brittle owl
it's almost like a new expansion where we discard burrowed power in order to acquire new burrowed power
real orchid
Lol the most recent sl build is so 'boring' that blizz immediately issued a statement saying they fucked up on nerfing everything
Maybe I'm with the unpopular opinion that once the hype is over with seeing/playing be contents, SL is gonna be pretty bad unless many things will change from blizz side
strong forum
Everybody thinks SL will be bad at this point
Like, that's the popular opinion
The unpopular opinion is saying that SL won't be as bad as its made out to be
mellow patio
Fact is whether the game is bad or not we will all play it :^)
steep bone
omg i was waiting for doors to close and crush his paw ;__;
mellow patio
That’s dark
topaz zenith
can someone pls join general voice, I need to tank hc nzoth now but barely know strats
pls
anyone with any experience really
shadow bay
lmao protection is fakin dead after prepatch
wtf
clap damage reduced to shit
anger management nerfed
just 1 charge instead of 2 baseline
shadow bay
i dont have 😦
mellow patio
yes i agree prot bad pls buff
sweet summit
novel ruin
Erga is visiting me!
sweet summit
novel ruin
autumn pendant
I will be prot too
strong forum
👀
autumn pendant
BUt only for first weeks dungeons 👀
strong forum
still pagoda
chilly brook
@brittle owl dont worry the FOTM rerollers will be back in 9.1
brittle owl
you're so sure of the overbuff
have you stopped and thought
maybe
just maybe
9.1 is when pwarr becomes a healer
strong forum
I don't even know what they could do to make us ultra again
sweet summit
No thats the arms redesign @brittle owl
still pagoda
Nothing. Blizz, buff all tanks to vdh/pala level and this will be your precious 1% difference
🙃
As they're pretty close already
brittle owl
@sweet summit it's called arms because it puts your limbs together 
rigid edge
I was a bit worried after seeing the prepatch summary of the changes, but I plan to stick through it, we do get some nice additions as well... 🤞
sweet summit
dont worry (be happy) we're still solid. a lot of doomers are saying pwarr bad, but thats not true
rigid edge
From what I've seen, isn't VDH on a much worse position anyways? Like you said I still believe Prot will be solid
mellow patio
Pwarr bad buffs when???
crude notch
sweet summit
hawgz is the leech 😔
sweet summit
mellow patio
I deserve full leech set
chilly brook
Wheres my emotes from other servers
chilly brook
Do it you won't
mellow patio
@ionic fern because everyone else is
chilly brook
I need to go home and play more BG3
undone sun
sweet summit
chilly brook
@still pagoda what game is that gif from?
sharp herald
pretty sure it's dank souls fanart
modern brook
i like that the cats are socially distanced
topaz ember
onyx vessel
steep bone
onyx vessel
brittle owl
@chilly brook bg3 good?
onyx vessel
I was playing bg3 also its pretty good
I like when i was fighting a bunch of enemies with high ground my 4 man squad 1st round 3 of my team dies my character the thicc dwarven fighter with no bow prof kills all 4 of them only getting hit once
Seems good
last mason
Anyone know approximately where warriors fall in terms of tank dps in SL rn and who’s at the top
In terms of tank dps
still pagoda
not really
plenty of activity still going
especially on EU horde
just that you don't play doesn't mean other people don't too
last mason
I didn’t mean that, I meant because of how close we are to SL, thought maybe people would take this opportunity to take a break
still pagoda
i'm taking one personally
last mason
I’m kinda looking forward to prepatch though. Are classes getting any of the beta changes or is it just new quests/scenarios or w/e
sweet summit
Class changes too
still pagoda
^
inland mesa
There's no pin, is there anything on talents to take or is it just what we would take in SL
sweet summit
check the pins in #698541559049748520
inland mesa
Yeah I've been following there, just wasn't sure with higher stats and things if it didn't alter things in the inbetween
sweet summit
not a lot, if anything at all
chilly brook
@brittle owl so far so good, I think they did a good job of capturing D&D
undone sun
ocean yoke
sick sentinel
i need to get that one that puts all the buffs and talents in squares in the top corner, put party hp bars in middle left me at bottom with target at right, fix macros and such
remove junk
chilly brook
@sick sentinel proper UI is huge tbh
sick sentinel
yeh
that's how i mean it
all the propotions are fucked
i tried 16 seige but it was a shit show
25s over, everything imaginable gone wrong
chilly brook
Tbh I'd move a lot of that towards the center
sick sentinel
how about that stupid aoe fear thing
is it going to get changed to cower option instead?
that button has screwed me over so many times it's unreal
chilly brook
Dont think so
Intimidating shout yea?
It's a nice aoe interrupt but it should be broken by one clap anyways
sick sentinel
too many times it has done me wrong
so i don't use it unless i know for 10000% i can
onyx needle
you might also need more vers gear, 4/98% is a little low
novel ruin
@sick sentinel First step is to figure out exactly what is important to you. Put that stuff near the middle of the screen. Then the 2nd thing, near that, and continue moving out from the middle area. @onyx needle He does not need any more vers.
modern brook
If intimidating shout isnt immediately interrupted
your entire team is letting you down
how can 3 dps not be hitting things?
sick sentinel
well, worrying about % atm is kinda pointless
gunna be lvl 50 in 2 days
but, someone said that to me in another channel
novel ruin
@sick sentinel Which is perfectly true. You do keys around the 15 range. You most def do not need any vers for those.
mellow patio
|| vers is for nerds ||
undone sun
no u
still pagoda
vers is for nerds [2]
brittle owl
praise the spaghetti monster, vers stacking is only a thing 3 more days
rigid edge
I'm not a fan of Siege, it's one of those dungeons that tires me
I'm actually glad we done with vers stacking
still pagoda
praise the spaghetti monster, vers stacking is only a thing 3 more days
@brittle owl
I'm still not doing it
so...
lavish hare
Hello, could you tell me if Keymaster deadline will be on prepatch or on release of SL?
sweet summit
pre-patch, after this reset you cant get it anymore
lavish hare
Damn i need to rush for my last two keys then
sweet summit
i believe in you!
lavish hare
Atal and workshop
vocal flame
good morning! so with the prepatch all the corruption is going away? so we go back to ilevel > curroption stat?
still pagoda
It always was ilvl > haste outside of corruption pieces
And shields are always ilvl-dependant
vocal flame
yeah im talking corrupted items only, since theres no stat anymore. For example, i have a 20 ilevel higher belt in my bank because the lower one i have now has 18% twilight deveistation on it
but since its going away its all ilevel now right?
vocal flame
yeah thats what i thought, thanks for the help!
sick sentinel
i'm not a fan of atal
steep bone
Atal is bae
Just bit annoying on teeming since some packs are not always present
Or well mobs in mentioned packs
distant crystal
isn't there a wq that changes the mobs in there in M+
or did that get fixed
in the front entrance to humanoid side there was something that wasn't there if the wq was up
still pagoda
nah
it's random
AD has rng pack additions on teeming weeks
so be aware you can get additional confessor in G2
steep bone
Skip if left side has teeming
rigid edge
I'm glad to know my hate for Atal is shared with fellow Warriors lol
real orchid
True or Fault? Pre-patch Essences+Azertite > SL Prot with Leggo/Conduits/Cov (at max rank).
mellow patio
Against enemies tuned for...
chilly brook
@real orchid probably not....
vocal skiff
Are you folks staying with the BfA build tomorrow or trying out ravager and dragon roar?
Since azerite and essences are still relevant
Not that any content being done is relevant during this period, but curious nonetheless
sweet summit
BV is still more rage than DR, DR is good for snap threat tho. altho threat should not be a huge issue
vocal skiff
What about ravager v UF though
sweet summit
if you play AM you play UF
if you play bolster you play Ravager
so
if you need the extra shield block uptime from bolster, you take ravager
vocal skiff
I am mostly keeping up to date with beta, so I know about those discussions. Just wondering what you folks are doing in the pre-patch, given this hybrid state
See my question not as "what's best", but "what do you feel like doing"
sweet summit
oh im gonna play a bit of both. personally big fan of ravager
might try gathering storm azerite and ravager 👀
tried it in bfa, but bfa ravager is very bad
ionic fern
AM+BV is still solid but you don't need UF in there. Triple BoM makes AM still a semi defensive in m+ and the rage gain from Ravager combined with Devastator still allows you to get a roughly 35-40s CD on Avatar.
open rampart
Need a tank for 21 SOB. we're doing more keys after. 4k IO players.
cinder pasture
Can't even be bothered to mention what region or faction. Your group clearly aint serious enough 😛
modern brook
4k iq players tbh😋
still pagoda
limpid pawn
for prepatch, is stacking haste nonstop still gonna be best for m+
or do we want like 2 primary stat gems
kind prairie
Y'all I just had someone try to tell me that in Underrot that if a player doesn't kill any spores with upheaval it kills them
Is this correct?
Am I the moron here?
Specifically they yelled at me for manually soaking the stragglers
mellow patio
I do not know this to be true
novel ruin
@kind prairie No, it gives a debuff that can be dispelled. All of em should be soaked otherwise the blast he does does more damage the mnore spores on the ground
kind prairie
thank youuu
unborn timber
How good is iron skin on dwarves for prot warrior?
undone sun
pretty good
civic rover
dwarf racial in general is really solid imo
being able to say sike to necrotic is probably super convenient.
cunning lynx
Hey guys! Im new to wow SL will be my first expac. Looking to main tank. Tried a few toons on the free level 20 thing. Warrior and pally both felt pretty good, but I've been told to stay away from prot warrior.
Was wondering if I was told correct? Just worried if i picked prot warrior I'd have a hard time finding ppl do do content with if no one wants prot warrior in SL
topaz ember
if your not going for top 100 mythic raiding you can just play what you like the most
plus prot looking pretty good atm
cunning lynx
oh ok! Definitely looking to do m+ content and raids. So just wanted to double check with the experts haha
chilly brook
Just play what you like
99.9999% of players are going to do better on what they like
cunning lynx
ok cool. I hella appreciate the input
pretty nervous since its my first xpac XD
OH! one last question! Can prot warrior do both m+/keys and raids? Or would i need an alt
chilly brook
you can raid for sure as well as M+
cunning lynx
ok sick, not the biggest fan of alts, so glad i can stick with one toon 😄
topaz ember
yee i just play my warrior
ionic fern
Same.
cunning lynx
ok yea that basically echoes what ive heard about bringing the player>class
just had one dude i met in particular saying not to play prot
thanks for the info
ionic fern
You will be meeting a lot of people like that.
"Oh, but X class is not good!" It mostly comes from listening to some YT/Twitch personalities that give their opinions.
topaz ember
i find that most people who say that are heroic raiders or people wanting t do mythic but are not
onyx vessel
If you care about your spec being good just play a brm
Forever meta
Ppl struggling make iron skin passive
Bliz just make shield block passive instead and give us a heal
topaz ember
The heal is actually a dream come true for me. The first legion LEGO I got was bracers and I loved them.
dark lark
"Heart of Darkness - It still works during the pre-patch. It’s terrific. Keep using it!" from the Wowhead guide
Is this true?
Meanwhile, Arms guide says this: The only exception is the Ny'alotha raid trait, Heart of Darkness, which loses all value once Corruptions are removed.
topaz ember
Heart is getting slightly weaker but it still works. Don’t worry about min maxing the pre patch tho just enjoy yourself
dark lark
not even about min maxing in the prepatch itself, im just trying to figure out what to sell right now while I can still get gold for it hahaha
literally first time i'm logging into live in like 2 months
topaz ember
pog
strong forum
So I now have atleast a key for pre-patch m+ bonanza
topaz ember
i'm just going to do a key week before sl incase they mess it up again
mental scarab
But m+ in SL Will come when m opens right? Dont remember from bfa
steep bone
nah, you will have m+ before that, they're just capping ilvl you can get
strong forum
M+ opens with heroic raid week and capped rewards
On mythic raid release m+ grants full rewards
M0s open supposedly on the first "reset" aka 1/2 days after launch
shadow bay
why is consecration, bloodboil, death and decay are soft capped at 20
and clap at 5
warriors cucked again
revenge 5 targets we aight
ty
sweet summit
not sure if... or not... 
strong forum
softcapped at 5 cough
sweetspot at 12 targets cough
also a troll
sweet summit
you ok there? seem to be coughing a lot. take care lad
sweet summit
ok 😢
sweet summit
rigid edge
Thanks for the tips Erga, almost made the 5 mask run today, got stopped by the Voidcrazed Hulk... the throw skill + split personality is just savage 😦
sweet summit
feelsbadman 
rigid edge
Was my fault tho, should have planned better to get gift proc on him, got cocky haha
I wonder how prepatch gonna affect visions
onyx vessel
steep bone
@rigid edge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW2F99cEuoQ maybe that will halp you doing 5 mask
sick sentinel
LUL
steep bone
some still wanna get mount
sweet summit
🤷♀️
onyx vessel
steep bone
imagine playing dh my dh is like 410ilvl
rigid edge
Haha just keeping myself busy till SL, @strong forum you got a point, my Havoc friend breezes through them
strong forum
laughs in double slappers + TD5 and 480 ilvl
steep bone
mythic slappers?
rigid edge
Mine is 440, baby Havoc still
strong forum
Mythic || hc ||
strong forum
🔨
onyx vessel
sweet summit
local DH doesnt even have mythic slappers pepW
steep bone
@sweet summit i need some good game to play before sl hits, any recommendations?
sweet summit
uhhhh
onyx vessel
bg3
sweet summit
idk i dont really play a lot of other games
steep bone
what's bg3
onyx vessel
baldur's gate 3
onyx vessel
steep bone
cba playing alpha/beta
rigid edge
Does it have to be a recent one? And what genre
Everyone seem to be playing Among Us these days, I prefer Barotrauma
strong forum
Diablo2
steep bone
and single player one ofc
i was thinking of replaying AC Origins
but last time i tried it bored the shit out of me before i even hit 50%
strong forum
AC angry hiss
steep bone
wdym, views were good
steep bone
both suck
||diablo 3 ofc||
steep bone
it's not bashing, poe is just bad, devs don't know what they want from that game, half of content is pointless to do, talents tree is huge okay but still only few builds are viable for endgame
onyx vessel
wrong on every level.
steep bone
can be fan but can't ignore facts. Like i enjoy playing diablo but game sucks in general
onyx vessel
so many builds are viable to end game
all the end game content is worth doing
unlike wow
steep bone
okay boomer
novel ruin
Dragon Age Origin
onyx vessel
brb using noed
strong forum
it's not bashing, poe is just bad, devs don't know what they want from that game, half of content is pointless to do, talents tree is huge okay but still only few builds are viable for endgame
@steep bone someone that gets it
steep bone
onyx vessel
still pagoda
it's not bashing, poe is just bad, devs don't know what they want from that game, half of content is pointless to do, talents tree is huge okay but still only few builds are viable for endgame
@steep bone
You get it. Though, the problem of builds is usually balancing
still pagoda
AND, most work if you actually make something simple and working
steep bone
ranks in dbd doesn't matter my boi
still pagoda
plan out what you want your build to use, what will be your starting class, what defensive layers you can use and don't overbloat
planning melee build is a real mess
compared to bow ranged or casters
steep bone
planning is good word
steep bone
you legit gotta pay for chance of respecing
onyx vessel
melee is just too slow
steep bone
making builds making even more annoying
onyx vessel
dont be stupid
oooo killer queue popped
time for these idiots to try and spin a bubba
still pagoda
favours casters and range
@onyx vessel
Also poison range builds
like scourge arrow and toxic rain potfinders
brittle owl
poe 📉
still pagoda
modern brook
@sweet summit u excited?
modern brook
I'm stoked for ravager to be good rn
sweet summit
oh HELL yeah!
modern brook
only thing keeping me from leaving work early is the fact that it wont be active till like 9pm anyways
steep bone
wdym
steep bone
game is usually playable few hours before they say it'll be playable :v
onyx vessel
@steep bone ranks dont matter you say i didnt even play like a asshole still gave up
still pagoda
i'm stocked for leveling of all the alts i need now
onyx vessel
i smell meta slave
still pagoda
steep bone
steep bone
i dont have mage tower for warrior
still pagoda
or get some HFC swords instead
steep bone
and i like them
still pagoda
or undead warfront ones
onyx vessel
bad
steep bone
hfc swords too small
modern brook
hidden fury is my favorite mog period
steep bone
imagine playing non fotm classes
still pagoda
^
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
like me
modern brook
it looks good exactly on char select
onyx vessel
still pagoda
flail is mine
onyx vessel
belf warrior
onyx vessel
🤮
still pagoda
belf warrior
@onyx vessel
All my characters are belves
modern brook
Arcane torrent 2gud
still pagoda
only thing that reminds me that i've once played alliance
is belves
because everything else is just
onyx vessel
most ppl dont play belf cuz racials are good
if you picked a race cuz its good panda wins
onyx vessel
yeah its shit
steep bone
lightforged draenei racial > everything else
onyx vessel
fuckin weebs go play genshin impact 4head
steep bone
dunno why ure so aggresive
onyx vessel
cant play wow
steep bone
ofc u can
still pagoda
@steep bone rio already shows SL talents
for whatever reason, it says i have IV in L75 row
onyx vessel
what else they gotta do
steep bone
if you cannot play wow then you did not adjust sleeping schedule. Like let's say me, when there's big patch inc im going to sleep to wake up like 3h before blizz says game will be playable so i can prepare myself
still pagoda
and, god forbid, war machine
onyx vessel
with covid and wow being down
steep bone
rio sucks
onyx vessel
make sure to roast the dumb prot warriors for using war machine
they be like rage gen good ya
steep bone
imagine playing prot warriors after it's not fotm meta anymore
cya nerdz, omw to my fuwwi panda monk
onyx vessel
its still very strong offensively in prepatch
steep bone
nah
steep bone
omg
I remember when friend invited groovy bot to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJdz3i44dIc
still pagoda
👍
steep bone
earrape anthems are the best tbh
rigid edge
Everything will be fine
lofty widget
doesnt prepatch come with the weekly reset?
still pagoda
yes
lofty widget
ah good, thought i missed something 😄
real orchid
With secondary stats DR when stacking, any changes to how we should or should not stack more haste after 25%?
Or is haste still too good and it's worth it to take the DR hit and just stack as much as we can?
sweet summit
we want more stats
real orchid
ref:
sweet summit
not sure how uldir looked, but its probably not something very important at least for the first tier
and 10% penalty isnt gamebreaking
real orchid
yeah, probably won't have to worry about DR till 2nd or 3rd tier in SL
but what about in pre-patch? when we have abundant stats in our gears?
real orchid
The DR values you have are outdated btw
@grand drum thx!
funny thing is I grabbed that from a video release by belular gaming released today
brittle owl
you're gonna prob want to stop stacking haste intentionally after 39%
or any secondary for that matter
still big maybe there
mellow patio
Can’t make me
civic rover
mastery stack in SL 😳
sick sentinel
servers pushed back 1 hour
distant crystal
i'll push u back 1 hour
brittle owl
😳
steep bone
did someone say stack vers?
steep bone
isn't vers bis for any scenario?
are you trying to say that theorycrafters from REDDIT are all wrong?
distant crystal
brittle owl
bye bye corruption
steep bone
wait, i forgot NO MORE CORRUPTIONS
brittle owl
sayonara
grand drum
rip corruption
steep bone
okay, true chads don't touch warriors anymore
modern brook
enjoy being feared
civic rover
nobody:
/r/competitivewow when you say vers stacking in sub 20s is not optimal at all:
inland mesa
Anyone have a link to this tier spell reflect doc?
twilit jay
whats the ideal talents for todays updates?
slow steppe
does anyone knwo why my macro for checking the availability of my hidden artifact appearance doesnt work?
im assuming it has to do with the quest ID changing somehow
ebon geyser
anyone able to help me on what talents we picking?
ebon geyser
ty
modern brook
big change is u dont take into the fray so its a toss up between punish and devastator at tier 1
grizzled forge
elvui is just not workin for me lol
twilit jay
mmm never surrender, indom, or impending victory?
modern brook
indom
they're all the same talent
Never surrender gives u a 100% higher ip when ur dead, which is a bonus 3k~ ish on the shield
10% of my health rn is 3k
twilit jay
makes sense
sweet scaffold
I think it depends on the damage intake patterns for which is better, which is how I want talents to be
twilit jay
i like adjusting them for each scenario lol
just super uneducated on how to figure out which one to take when :x
sweet scaffold
max HP matters more in raid and less in m+ generally. Self healing matters more in m+ and less in raids.
modern brook
indom has self healing on it tho
your IP's now give u an anemic shield and 4% of ur health every cast instead of a slightly less anemic shield
near pewter
Where do you see IP giving 4%hp every cast?
modern brook
the point is that indom is more than likely the objective best choice in every situtation unless IV is doing some crazy damage that im not seeing
near pewter
so all my gems sockets should be haste now?
pastel sleet
go to azerite traits in prepatch?
modern brook
muted spoke
what talents we going for m+ at pre patch?
sacred nexus
man it feels weird with devastator talent, so many times i press missing devastate button
civic rover
less buttons t he better
sacred nexus
not when it means you got your finger up your butt during a GCD with nothing to use
civic rover
idk i've done a few keys prot feels pretty good to me
still doing good damage and still hardly needing any healing.
twilit jay
i love devastator a lot
civic rover
yeah you get a lot of slam resets
proper field
I just wish we could have Devastator and Punish
tame solstice
anyone have a functioning ignore pain weak aura? mind broke wit the patch and wago is just lagging out
sacred nexus
Try this one, its my mix of IP, SB, CDs and rage/health
ebon geyser
any new WA that are a Must have
sacred nexus
Looks like this, and warns if you have no SB/IP up:
tame solstice
thanks baldy, i stole just the IP amount bar out of it.
sacred nexus
👍🏽
limpid pawn
what talents for m+?
cinder pasture
Close your eyes, pick randomly, then go out into the world and have some fun ! 😄
grand drum
I cant use fury's artifact on main hand as prot 😢
humble tundra
Need some help with a charge/intervene macro. got mouse over macro, want it to be able to charge or intervene to what ever i'm hovering over. If i'm attacking a mob, i can't intervene to someone unless i untarget the mob.
Found answer
#showtooltip /cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,noharm] Intervene; [@target] Charge
warm sigil
@grand drum cause its a two hander
grand drum
im a dum dum
warm sigil
ya they just made artifact weapons t-mog like regular weapons now
craggy harness
So far what I have:
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [nomod,noharm,nodead][mod:shift,noharm,nodead,@focus][mod:ctrl,noharm,nodead,@mouseover] Intervene; [nomod,harm,nodead][mod:shift,harm,nodead,@focus][mod:ctrl,harm,nodead,@mouseover] Charge
not using exists so that the macro stays under 255 char for now lol
hmm, oops broke something int he intervening time
so to speak
or i'm cd since i'm too used to two charges
warm sigil
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
having no problems intervening with a mouseover in combat
twilit jay
anyone else have into the fray buff even when not active?
twilit jay
yeah i just noticed it and toggled my talent again
flint prism
Are the azerite priorities still the same for M+?
limpid pawn
anger management feels bad for M+
mitigation gaps like crazy
i think HR is the way to go probably
shadow bay
devastator for life now?
but it feels clunky
what do i do other than wait for slam resets
and occasional claps
chilly brook
@limpid pawn tbh Bolster is better
you have the mitigation when you need it and you can stack it with shield block instead of hoping you get resets when a shield block charge is rolling
ebon geyser
im torn between ravager and unstoppable force for gearing this toon
given i havent done anything on him but wanna start
fringe marten
Anyone having some wonky problems with Nameplates and HP bars..?? (I use KUI nameplates..was updated 11 hours ago)
craggy harness
11 hours ago would be... 5 hours before maintenance ended? 😛
distant crystal
fringe marten
The update for KNP was 11 hours ago...not that I was 'playing'
craggy harness
whooosh
i dunno, but if an addon was updated before testing on live, it might mean it has issues?
all i meant
fringe marten
Basically I'm saying; it was updated in accordance with todays update (so it's not way out of date). I can get Hp bars and nameplates to work properly before combat ends by toggling enemy nameplates on/off..then it reappears. Do you use plater or something else?
(I'm just trying to discern if it's WoW, or the addon..most likely the addon.)
or if it's some new coding an 'all' nameplate addons were having an issue.
craggy harness
plater seemed okay along with elvui
didn't really stress it though
(basically started from scratch re: addons and settings)
fringe marten
I may finally have to adopt something else...I really liked KUI nameplates been using it for a long time; I liked the CVAR settings for setting HP bars at distance through walls (was nice for M+ in many zones)
craggy harness
i wouldn't stress unless the addon stops being maintained
shadow bay
I was still using tidy threat plates before today, it doesnt work anymore
modern brook
@sweet summit willing to admit its cause idk how to play this, but it felt pretty meh
craggy harness
day 0 of a major release shrugs
curseforge still shows kuinameplates as gameversion 8.3.0
so guessing the 9.0.1 versions are still beta wip
modern brook
ravager doesnt give parry anymore either :^( and competeing with the rage gen of UF idt it really works
there was ctual points where i had nothing, no cds, no block
fringe marten
^^ yeah; that's why I'm not super worried...I just figured if it was updated within the day they may have updated it FOR today; hence my worry if everyone was having issues.
modern brook
again, probably bad play but
fringe marten
Yeah I'm not super hype about how they've moved around the talent rows either; but you knew the synergy of how our talents and azerite were lining up was going to end at some point; but dude.... having last stand as a fairly short CD super extended block being effectively gone is super asstastic.
Even if the talents didn't compete; you can't push down the CD of last stand anyway ..so ..bleh.
Ah hah..got it. was an option I had to check in KUI nameplates. Guessing it was a new or modified option with whatever under the hood changes happened with nameplates/etc.
ok now everything is back to old functionality.
shadow bay
can anyone share some decent plater preset with me
to avoid this
i like tidy threat plates, but they don't stack on top of each other
just blend together
makes it hard to find a specific caster guy, for example
fringe marten
There's a base option in wow for overlapping vs stacking nameplates; that alone may help. KUI nameplates has a cvar editor for the resizing/fading..(was apparently an issue with classic in some way?) check options in plater and see if it has something similar.
Also..they removed the 30% chance to reset revenge/shield slam from basic devastate? ONLY devastator has this now?
fringe marten
? I jus..lemme actually read the book tooltip instead of the tooltip on my bar.
lusty grotto
hey ghash left?
fringe marten
Where do you see that base devastate still gives the % chance to refresh shield bash and revenge?
lusty grotto
where ghash
ionic fern
Should be on the Shield Slam toolip @fringe marten
fringe marten
OH ugh that's right...was always there. Why did I think it was on devastator??? (or devastate)
fringe marten
I was looking at talents and re evaluating and I didn't see the 30% to reset the skills and I thought "WTF? did they screw us on this?"
but yeah lol that info was always on the shield slam tip...that Dev/tclap/rev could reset it.
hm...are we going back devastator full time again like legion? Punish has always been the 'raiding' choice but it's never been necessary..that damage reduction was never that huge (even with a few seconds of overlap @6%)
ionic fern
Devastator is a solid all-around choice jeah, but % DR can also be massive in raids, don't underestimate it.
lusty grotto
mwahi i feel like youve answered a lot of the same questions today like always on patch day
ionic fern
I just got on, haven't even answered anything. 😦
fringe marten
Even in mythic progression I never fealt the need for the damage reduction from punish.
ionic fern
MOstly came here to smack people talking dum.
lusty grotto
ok so i can finally sell all of this bullshit gear i have on all 4 of my chars
ionic fern
Even in mythic progression I never fealt the need for the damage reduction from punish.
@fringe marten that's a issue in raid design tho. It's been a while since we had really punishing raid encounters for tanks.
You could literally play w/E and still get CE.
lusty grotto
mwahi what do
fringe marten
It's not that I underestimate it..it's that as a prot warrior you never feel 'boy I'm getting trucked absolutely constantly..I just wish this boss did a little less damage all the time' You have awesome auto attack sustain you're just managing CD's for boss abilities or trying to force absorb tank busters.
(exactly mwahi..lol..you said basically the same thing)
lusty grotto
should i follow this pepega wowhead guide
ionic fern
@lusty grotto sell everything.
lusty grotto
but my versa set T_T
ionic fern
What guide?
fringe marten
Has anyone actually tested the rage gain from war machine; I know we never generated much from auto attacks but that wasn't tweaked at all for shadowlands?
ionic fern
War Machine has potential to be really solid in some dungeons where there are lower health enemies in the packs as well.
lusty grotto
so apparently wowhead recommends: devastator, BV, Cracklin, Indom, UF, AM
ionic fern
Jeah, it's solid. 🤷
UF/AM is still playable due to BoM/DC.
lusty grotto
and then Deva, Dragon Roar, Cracklin, Indom, Ravager, Bolster for defensiveness lmao
both use deva
fringe marten
Yeah it could be but eventually, and the entire point of M+ is to push it to a point where it's challenging..meaning you can't guarantee you're getting the Killing blows on any of the fodder still.
ionic fern
Well, the other one is a bit weird.
I'm suggesting the same default build for pre-patch tho.
fringe marten
Them putting AM on the same row as bolster is dirty AF; but it really doesn't matter a ton since AM doesn't even push down the CD of Last stand..so..that's the real nerf.
lusty grotto
hmm
fringe marten
OH DIRTY...we 'have' to take double time to get 2 charges. FFFffff...just noticed that.
ionic fern
WIth essences etc you can still get Avatar to 35-40s CD so AM is solid.
Once you hit the place where you need more block you should turn over to Bolster tho.
And Devastator>Punish in AoE and it's also solid on ST.
lusty grotto
why didnt i check Icy Veins
i havent checked it since Merek quit
im sorry for failing you mwahi
fringe marten
Well yeah AM is still amazing due to avatar being good, and yes I have all those essences maxed..hence I"m still using it. But the fact that we 'lost' having both the last stand HP buff and it being a super extended block window every 30ish 40'ish seconds...is sad times.
(yeah there's no argument that devastator is better than punish...it was never so much about that as if war machine was worth; and our rage gen from AA is garbage, so 50% more of garbage...)
Anyone have the buff for ITTF still up?
ionic fern
PEople have been reporting it jeah.
fringe marten
I've logged/rezoned/reloaded a few times...2 stacks of ITTF tooltip still showing on me.
figured it was a known issue...since every prot warrior had that on when they logged in.
craggy harness
probably a changed spell id when it moved rows
fringe marten
The fact that they made Indomitable also the legendary ring from Legion is KINDA hot though...
ionic fern
bracers.
fringe marten
Er yeah
shh...it's been a long time
I forgot
the ring was the..? haste when you stunned stuff?
ionic fern
Sephuz was one ring (haste on interrupt)
and the talent ring also
fringe marten
yeah basically gave you heroism when you warbringer charged stuff.
distant crystal
when you're as big and burly as @fringe marten you wear them on your finger
craggy harness
oh right. sephuz
fringe marten
...dude..warbringer...miss it so much
craggy harness
feels like i'm lisping in my head
lusty grotto
i wear them on my 3rd leg
fringe marten
But yeah..legion legendary..item~ lol. (bracers yeah)
ionic fern
Icy-Veins and WoWHead guides are both up to date with PRE-PATCH information:
Icy-Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
WoWHead: https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-gear-guide
fringe marten
That and the glove were considered the BiS so the fact that one of our 'best' legendaries became a baseline buff to an HP buff is..? eh? I'll take it. (Not worth losing the way Bolster worked before in conjunction with AM)
undone sun
lusty grotto
thyme!!
ionic fern
Hi Thyme. Is it time to come back?
fringe marten
He just summed up how I feel...
undone sun
I wish
odd fiber
hey has anyone else noticed Conflict and strife major acting weird?
lusty grotto
im having a hard time putting all these skills on my bars
ionic fern
Also, how sick and tired are you of the time puns?
undone sun
I've gotten used to them
ionic fern
DO you think it's time to stop?
fringe marten
Wait..people make NON herb based puns at him? why would you even bother?
lusty grotto
when are you coming back father thyme
ionic fern
hey has anyone else noticed Conflict and strife major acting weird?
@odd fiber define weird.
odd fiber
it's almost like it has a dr now
undone sun
Have gone by thyme or FatherThyme for over 9 years now
odd fiber
it doesn't always root
lusty grotto
you know theres a fatherthyme in my classic server
odd fiber
something about TC with thunderstuck is buggy, or not working properly, or it's nerfed
lusty grotto
but then i thought thyme doesnt play wow
undone sun
Lmao
ionic fern
He's just trolling us secretly.
odd fiber
I am streaming atm, and I had it on recording in a TD
sudden kayak
any one know if the door changes or stays in waycrest for the week for the map in raider io
lusty grotto
i was about to not put hamstring on my bars, but then i saw its good ole 50%
whirlwind can fuck off though
2 buttson for charge and intervene/cept again T_T
odd fiber
But yeah Mwahi i was seeing if anyone else had any reports about it, it doesn't look like i was outranging the mobs either
i even stood still next to them, and unless the beach mobs are resistant to roots now...
ionic fern
Do you have UF talented?
lusty grotto
you guys gonna run a macro for intervene + charge yeah?
fringe marten
Nim I just combine them into 1 macro that has a mouseover for intervene and heroic leap..the only downside is that when you leap you get 'i don't have a target' =\
lusty grotto
target=ally intervene; target=baddie charge or some bs like that
fringe marten
mouseover macro nim
lusty grotto
yeah thats what i was thinking
odd fiber
i did yeah @ionic fern
ionic fern
Crackling thunder i mean @odd fiber - check your TC tooltip, if you got Cracklking it should actually be 30% Movement speed reduction which means it affects CnS.
fringe marten
I can't bring myself to make the heroic leap at @stoic erminesor macro though...I want the precision of the reticle.
fringe marten
I'm about to make Tclap and whirlwind a shift macro
ionic fern
I'm about to slap a brown name. :):):)
lusty grotto
can we make a sad cat for pvp trinket
fringe marten
and 30% snare on Tclap means...we will only use hamstring in very niche situations.
fringe marten
yeah whirlwind is just gonna' get tied into a shift macro; and rarely be seen...and I'm struggling to see why I need hotkey access to hamstring as well
sudden kayak
hi any one know if waycrest the door is always the same i try to take the obisk by the tip what it said was u want to hero on the 3 witches but i had to take another route cuz all the doors were closed
brittle owl
but you don't need to press WW like, ever
lusty grotto
no the doors change sometimes @sudden kayak
fringe marten
..with 30% Tclap...when do we ever need a 50% slow? (outside world/pvp)
sudden kayak
in the same week nimchip?
ionic fern
It should be the same door for a week @sudden kayak
ionic fern
Or maybe i'm dumb
distant crystal
unless they changed it
ionic fern
I havent played BfA in a while.
distant crystal
you are :p
ionic fern
😂
distant crystal
it's a rando door unless you're in MDI
ionic fern
Oh, then listen to that @sudden kayak
lusty grotto
well i had streaks of having top left
very rarely it changed
but it did change
im talking about 8.3 onlly
lusty grotto
yeah
distant crystal
but i didn't see anything official
lusty grotto
it still changed though, just rarely
fringe marten
ooo...yeah just looked at their damage numbers. while UF is active Tclap is outright superior; when it's not it's a 5 rage gen vs a 30 rage loss. (which also means 3 seconds gained in AM..but..ignore pain is always available as a dump)
ionic fern
Revenge slaps now.
fringe marten
Yeah mwahi I don't see a reason to ever be pushing hamstring or whirlwind in pve content; unless you were that desperate to try and squeeze damage with whirlwind.
ionic fern
fringe marten
I thought the 'Revenge!' buff that makes revenge free was only going to a chance to reduce it's cost? it's still free.
fringe marten
Right; is it also more damage though?
sweet summit
Yes