Since 1.33*1.15=1 .53
#protection
hallow phoenix
analog oyster
Is it terrible to have a 445 shield as tank with TD? Or do you always want a high ilvl shield?
sweet summit
Shield is your entire defense
analog oyster
So buying TD on a 445 shield isnt that smart
sweet summit
Not really
maiden ravine
okay
I 4 masked org with a spare orb and no death
do I dare the 5 mask?
haha
let's try it
sweet summit
Do it 
sweet summit
Ye
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm just doing no mask runs for cloak upgrades and forgetting visions even exist.
brittle owl
but "free" 470 gear doe
ionic fern
🤷
maiden ravine
okay, between orb and gift and lust
there's no way I mess this up
lets go
just gotta kill the boars
easy
wait 38 seconds for gift
then do thrall
daring sable
can u track gift cd @maiden ravine ?
stark ruin
Yes, there are several weakauras for it
It's 60 seconds icd after the buff fades
It's not guaranteed to proc right away on the next kill, but it's likely
maiden ravine
470 belt no corrupts, ggnore 😦
oh well
now that I know I can do it I'll do it once a week I guess
it'll be even easier in 2 weeks with rank 15
maiden ravine
yeah, I already don't care about breaking the shield on thrall
27 sanity? what's that
stark ruin
Resist goes from 70 to 75%
analog oyster
How is the% crit from all sources on tanking?
stark ruin
That's a lot of extra time
maiden ravine
I think rank 14 is the same 70%, but rank 15 is 80% sanity reduction?
maiden ravine
to wowhead I go
ah, 14 is indeed 75%
but 15 is 80%
that is 33% less drain than we have at rank 13 which is huge
maiden ravine
oooo, I have a very good chance at getting my black serpent mount next week
Stormwind of course is the harder dungeon
ionic fern
@analog oyster you can sim for DPS.
Defensive wise crit is solid in m+ but i'd much rather run stuff like TD/EV/GW/Vers/haste etc.
analog oyster
I did consider buying a TD rank 2 on a normal shield, but feels like thats not worth it
brittle owl
ilvl on shield always
maiden ravine
I have a 465 shield which I'm using until I get lucky in weekly cache I suppose
but for my primary goal of all 15s in time its more than sufficient
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm rocking a 450 shield.
analog oyster
Well, I am atm tanking on my DH +18 keys, but I wanna try out warrior in higher keys to see if its alot better.
maiden ravine
your healers will hate you less
analog oyster
I mean, DH has a shit ton off self healing
ionic fern
Shield ilvl IS big for DR but you can still do 18+ keys with like a 450 shield with no issues.
analog oyster
@ionic fern You said you wanna go for haste as warrior tank, but how is the haste proc on warrior tanking? Or do you rather have the haste from all sources?
brittle owl
both are good, use whatever is the best combo you have 🤷♂️
ionic fern
Jep, both of them are solid. 👍
dusky mica
How can you have a 450 shield
analog oyster
And the mechagon trait? The cloakwork heart?
maiden ravine
I just know I hate healing a DK cause I never know when they have a big deathstrike up or if I need to burn a CD
dusky mica
I mean, you talk alot about raiding and doing m+, so how do you not have something over 450
maiden ravine
cause the raid drops a single shield off Ilgynoth
analog oyster
And we wanna go for Deafening crash or Bastion of mght?
maiden ravine
grind more motherload
ionic fern
1 DC
dusky mica
Take some shield users to m+?
ionic fern
Aight, i cba @dusky mica 😂
analog oyster
@ionic fern If only 1x DC, what other traits we use?
wild stump
My holy paladin had to give me a twilight dev BoE shield 445 ;-:
nothing was droppiong
analog oyster
Since I can either go 3x DC or 3x BoM
maiden ravine
I really need to pug heroic Wrathion this week to coin a trinket. I never got around to doing it last week
And tonight I healed heroic on a paladin
dusky mica
go on warrior but dress in pink
dusky mica
you mean if the tanks can't do it?
hard cipher
Hmm no
dusky mica
one tank to drop markers, the other types colour in /rw
dusky mica
or put marker on the caller and he runs to add, people follow
chance of idiot tank in pugs is pretty high though
usually ends up with the non-idiot tank marking and some dps alt with experience typing it out
the same as LFR
hard cipher
I just want that N'zoth trinket for my warrior, but I guess at this point I'd easier get it as dps
dusky mica
I'm sure there will be loads of pugs stuck on Nzoth so you dont have to run the full instance
cold orchid
How many masks for 460 gear?
azure flame
3 masks
cold orchid
cool thanks!
azure flame
this is the blue post: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/horrific-visions-rewards/414889
inland silo
you only get the max ilvl gear once
first 4 mask should be 465
then if you do another one you get 460
cold orchid
ah nice one Jay
south lantern
Echoing void? Or twilight devastation?
I feel like echoing void is trash now compared to twilight devastation
sweet summit
TD>EV
south lantern
And you should purify all EV pieces if you have twilight
ionic fern
Sim yourself for DPS.
If you don't need to purify them then i wouldn't. You never know what Blizz will do with further balancing.
strong forum
Rip
native mantle
Guys, I have a question about the psychic shell, the tooltip says that you gain an 80% dmg reduction for 8 sec and an absorb shield for X amount of dmg.
- Is it for 8 sec or until the shield is depleted?
- Does the amount absorbed also get reduced by 80% or is it like the full damage so it can be pretty much removed in 1 hit?
oblique garnet
@ionic fern wheres the copy pasta
ionic fern
oblique garnet
red swallow
At what % would ya'll not use haste enchant on ring anymore? 21 ish?
for survivability
Sorry if it's a dumb question, I am kinda dumb.
final mist
Always use haste.
ripe shale
I'd say about 100%
ionic fern
So @native mantle
1)Which ever comes first
2)It works like IP.
final mist
It never becomes bad.
ionic fern
169% because that's when SB has 6s CD iirc.
native mantle
thank you very much
ionic fern
native mantle
i looked at the pins earlier
native mantle
but didnt see xD
native mantle
ye i saw now
red swallow
gotta say coming from guardian druid, this spec is way too much fun lol
native mantle
but didnt see trinket explanation there earlir :D so i decided to ask
ionic fern
I mean, we just added it , right after you asked.
😄
Tbh @red swallow anything is more fun that Gdruid.
Tho you will miss stuff like Poison Dispells.
😦
native mantle
good to know i "helped" lel :D
red swallow
I uh.. kinda always played guardian druid so i just assumed every other tank was just as boring
lmao
little did i know
oblique garnet
@ionic fern First time that was introduced didnt we pin the message ?
ionic fern
I'm pretty sure no.
We just kept copy-pasting it.
@native mantle and inside the m+ Obelisks.
oblique garnet
Must have forgotten to pin it
native mantle
oh shit that's awesome
ionic fern
👀
tame garden
U cant say anything is more fun than bear when brewmaster exists
Both equally boring tanks
ionic fern
That is also true i guess. 😂
tame garden
wintry ermine
"Shattered Resolve can be reflected (with Spell Reflection) onto Vexiona dealing damage to her" does that mean that the aoe damage doesn't happen to others in the raid?
ionic fern
Nah, others still get hit by it but your damage portion is reflected to Vexiona
wintry ermine
ok!
tropic oriole
455 Rezan with socket, 460 jes, 465 razdunks .... Which 2 do I wear?
wintry ermine
rezan and jes
tropic oriole
Ok
wintry ermine
anyone here been solo tanking vexiona mythic? any tips/haste requirements maybe?
sweet summit
Never any haste requirements
errant shuttle
Is it just me
ionic fern
I solo tanked Vex.
errant shuttle
Or does drestagath truck
ionic fern
Since we were progressing i used Nzoth trinket with Urchin tho i think you'll be fine with just Nzoth one.
Keep SB up and Reflect the Resolve to reduce damage.
errant shuttle
We got the kill but I feel like ignore pain/spell reflect isnt enough for the seed
ionic fern
Big part of your damage taken will be from the DoT so don't forget to use IP as well.
errant shuttle
I'm a dps war but had to go prot for vex and drest
Hm I guess I mitigate right
Just needed more externals during overlaps then
tame garden
Is drest a 3tank boss?
ionic fern
There are some bad overlaps idd @errant shuttle
tame garden
Ah
errant shuttle
So I ended up picking up prog last night
ionic fern
But in general nothing too bad unless you have multiple smashes going off
errant shuttle
Took me a few pulls to understand what was killing me
Yeah one of our wipes at like 2% I had seed while 3 crashes were going off
Monk has it easy man
Such a diff experience from me just rounding up adds and playing m+ for vex
strong forum
Also apparently if you're doing last boss with a pillar in m+, the entire fight counts as inside nyalotha aswell
mental scarab
😏oh
steady linden
How good is brace for impact for high M+?
sweet summit
the extra block value is very nice
steady linden
But do you even facetank stuff without active mitigation in high keys? I dont See any top M+ warrior using it
steady linden
True but question remains
steady linden
Ye i mean why barely anyone uses it
terse oasis
pfft, damage taken is a healer mechanic, you can tank naked if your healer is good (this is all a lie)
tame garden
Cuz theres better traits for aoe
steady linden
Way to go is 3x Bastion 1x Clap 2x HoD?
tame garden
And you use what you have available
3 bastion 1 clap 2 meticulous scheming
Hod also good
steady linden
Aight thx
strong forum
Because you get more dps out of scheming and hod
Bfi is pure ST but I would like to think in the highest of keys the block value gets increased value
Just cuz of maffs
sweet summit
pog grats
manic vapor
freshly gearing a prot warrior alt playing m+ only. would you buy heroic ilvl pieces to get the BiS traits quicker or just buy Mythic pieces and play with what you get?
strong forum
If you're fresh, and aren't going to clear heroic raid, I'd buy HC pieces
Cuz I'd rather have 3 good 460s,than 1 bad 475
However there's a ton of good heroic raid pieces for almost 0 effort
latent sequoia
16%/haste avoidance corruption, is it worth to keep it?
strong forum
No
It's one of the 2 worst corruptions in the game
Unless you for some reason want to do an avoidance build
latent sequoia
actually no, i just hoped it's something ^^
wary lantern
clockwork heart > 2nd deafening?
sick sentinel
Yes
warm plinth
Yes
wary lantern
😄
warm plinth
Oof
wary lantern
and between HoD and Iron fortress? would you go for stats?
warm plinth
What ilevel shield are you using?
wary lantern
460
wary lantern
tanked maxy +17 timed
but that was due to healer having 440ilvl
as he just leveled up
warm plinth
I'd use IF then if you plan on trying for higher
wary lantern
kk, thanks
warm plinth
At least until you get that juicy cache shield
sick sentinel
Just buy one 4head
wary lantern
my weekly chests are trinkets all the time
nimble brook
can you get 475 azerites from 5 mask clears?
sick sentinel
No I believe 470 is the cap
sick sentinel
And I’m not sure about azerite
nimble brook
gotcha
wary lantern
got Jes, Platinum plating, Briny, and Red button
need merektha to finish collection
from weekly
nimble brook
yeah I see some 460 azerites dropping in 3 mask atm
sick sentinel
Ew stinky trinkets
wary lantern
those were my weekly chests 4 weeks in a row
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure the max azerite you can get from visions is 460
That's the highest I've seen so far (but mine was also from a 3 mask clear so)
sick sentinel
Yeah I haven’t seen azerite drop from 5 mask but I am not sweaty and have a relatively small sample size
warm plinth
Yep just 470 shit from my 5 masks, and not even any relevant corruption
nimble brook
gotcha thanks for the info
wary lantern
is it problematic doing 5 mask as prot?
amber siren
nope, just pull big and clap everything down
wary lantern
i only did arms
wary lantern
kk, ty
west kayak
warm plinth
Proud of you boo
tame garden
Blood siphon
stone lodge
and one more question: should i get a second gemhide or should i take 1 vampiric speed instead
mystic ember
Vamp is pretty good for keys. Especially this week with bursting.
sick sentinel
I need to farm Atal’Dazar for upgrades and bursting is making pug runs great 
young oasis
Jes Howler 475 vs Gore Crusted 465?
Main option is 460 vita
Just doesnt know which one of those 2
steady linden
What is the best combination for high M+ keys? 18-20 range. Thanks for any advice :)
oblique garnet
Nzoth helm you take bfi + bom + bloodsiphon then infinite darkness you take dc + bom + hmc and then chest with bfi + bom +op
mental scarab
But shouldnt he take the other block trait if he dont have 475 shield?
steady linden
I have a 460 shield
Does the block trait give extra value when you dont have a 475 shield?
grand drum
Its just high chance no?
warm plinth
Yeah it's not guaranteed. I just got 470 crit/vers pants last night, no corruption
steady linden
@mental scarab Is BfI better with a 460 shield than with a 475 shield? Do you cap out with it on something as long as you dont have a 475 shield or whats the matter?
edgy bone
isnt getting a 475 shield just luck
Yall just open your chest every week and pray it's a shield?
sick sentinel
Weekly reminder just to buy one
steady linden
@oblique garnet Thanks for your advice, I thought Elemental Whirl would be better than Blood Siphon. Is it better for the Mastery or for the Leech? Im playing Lucid anyway, so I thought the little leech would be trivial.
ionic fern
@steady linden block is your main mitigation tool - if you have a lower shield then you can "Make up for it" via having more block through traits.
It is by no means neccessary tho.
steady linden
alright thx
edgy bone
@sick sentinel buy what
sick sentinel
Shield
edgy bone
how??
sick sentinel
raid boe
edgy bone
are they expensive
steady linden
@ionic fern But wouldnt it even be good on a 475 shield then? More block means less damage, regardless what ilvl your shield has, right?
sick sentinel
Also
ionic fern
Yes, it's good on everything but in general you do not want to go over-board with defensive stats. Shield Block is strong as it is without any extra stats being required for it.
sick sentinel
You are playing lucid? You better be pulling the whole dungeon
edgy bone
most of yall are running VoP major and Lucid minor right
sick sentinel
Yes VoP major with a combination of whatever minors feel best to you
Exception being CnS minor, which most players use
edgy bone
so i can use anima to get more HP so my Tdev hits harder 😄
sick sentinel
But Lucid/sphere/formless/aegis are all decent minors
tame garden
No
sick sentinel
No
mental scarab
@steady linden what our lord and savior @ionic fern says 🤓 about block traits
sick sentinel
Pls don’t use anima
edgy bone
but it makes me feel big cuz lots of HP
sick sentinel
I take back what I said about feeling good
tame garden
Imagine listening to mwahi 🙄
steady linden
Is blood Siphon that good because of the leech or the mastery?
ionic fern
Yep, i literally know nothing .
edgy bone
What minors are yall using
mental scarab
You guys lose HP 👀
edgy bone
Lucid, CnS, and ?
tame garden
Do u even ravager bro
sick sentinel
My minors are CnS/Lucid/Formless void
tame garden
@edgy bone depends if you need corruption resist
ionic fern
I was thinking of mathing it out for you Speg as a meme "Parryger build" but i won't anymore.
tame garden
😦
mental scarab
16 % leach with 2 corruptions BoIS im DK 2.0
tame garden
Thanks now I'm crying at work
sick sentinel
If I wasn’t running TD4 I would run Lucid, CnS, Sphere most likely
tame garden
Ye I run VoP + lucid/sphere/strength
sick sentinel
You joke about ravager but I used it in meme party sync bgs and absolutely melted some turds
edgy bone
Sphere seems good
sick sentinel
My god speg you animal run cns
steady linden
Would you rather take 2x Brace for Impact or 2x Deafening Crash for dps on 18++ keys?
tame garden
Only have rank 2
terse oasis
DC is probably better than brace
ionic fern
@steady linden ideally neither. What other options?
steady linden
@ionic fern that are my options
mental scarab
@terse oasis spam IP🙃
oblique garnet
Double bfi is good for dps on keys wdym
mental scarab
To get avatar back
oblique garnet
In keys your dps is dictated literally by your corruption procs
so you go full defensive anyways
it legit makes no difference
ionic fern
Not everyone has decent corruptions and can't rely on corruption DPS to carry them
oblique garnet
well yeah i dont even have good corruptions
mental scarab
Yea but doing keys in -18 range then go to 19+ feels sad watching the dps meter when you do need to go def
oblique garnet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/614745035329634304/686372059563163728/unknown.png this is from triple boost 15
with 2x td
ionic fern
Jep TD carries hard.
stark scroll
Just be like the guy in my guild who got gushing wound on multiple characters this week 🙃
oblique garnet
Its not even td
grand drum
Tfw your td procs after the pack dies
oblique garnet
^
Everytime
You can do big dps with just playing properly that hasnt changed
TD just makes you do more
sick sentinel
bigger
oblique garnet
if you play full defensive you can pull bigger-> you naturally do more dps
Even without procs
sick sentinel
Late what trinkets do you run
oblique garnet
wrathion + raden
ionic fern
I honestly don't know what do you mean by Full defensive but in general you are limited by your group/interrupts/capabilities rather than you being "full defensive".
oblique garnet
I mean yeah ofc it depends on your group but on a free key like fh
steady linden
@ionic fern you asked for my other options, I posted a screen above. Whats your opinion?
oblique garnet
You can go monkey big anyways
mental scarab
I tend to do maybe 6-10k less in higher keys when i do need to not face tank trash 100% of the time
mental scarab
😂
oblique garnet
It doesnt do much in aoe damage wise but on st its still good
mental scarab
Yeas and no
ionic fern
If you got nothing else better on that row then sure, it's not a bad trait.
Ideally i'd wanna go 3xBoM2xHoD1xDC.
oblique garnet
^
steady linden
alright thx
mental scarab
Is HoD that good for us?🐷
oblique garnet
Imagine getting any pieces with those tho 
ionic fern
Same Late .:(
mental scarab
😐😐😐😐😐😐😐💩
oblique garnet
Had to feed fallu all the gear :))
mental scarab
Need to raid M again fml
ionic fern
😂
tame garden
Bogiheals 📈
ionic fern
Just be smart @oblique garnet .
Don't loot the boss..it'll come to your mailbox.
Outsmart the system.
steady linden
Is Blood Siphon better than Elemental Whirl for the low % leech or for the ~100 Mastery? I play Lucid major anyway so thought the leech is not that impactful
oblique garnet
What corruption pieces do you have?
steady linden
rank 2 EV and rank 2 TD if the question was meant for me
plenty other combinations are possible, too
gilded lance
hey guys, should i take 2 bastion of might and no deafening crash or 1 bastion and 1 deafening crash?
i have them in the same circle
stark ruin
1 DC worths a lot defensively imho
ionic fern
1 DC 1 BoM.
stark ruin
And offensively too
tropic star
1DC awlays i beleive
tame garden
That's why you dont gamble
strong forum
@mental scarab imagine this, 1 hod is equal to 6-7 sockets
mental scarab
😐😑......im so retarded
tame garden
📉
stoic pilot
Vita charged good for m+?
Uptime seems ehh but I also had nobody else using it so I didn’t proc the secondary buff much
strong forum
vita is very good
stoic pilot
Also uh
For high KR keys with Fortified is the strat still to kite Zul when you run out of defensives?
Was considering using Maut trinket for the run or w/e for him specifically last week
strong forum
you save lust for Zul
stoic pilot
Yeah we did
stoic pilot
I started kiting but like
strong forum
if need be
strong forum
wtf
stoic pilot
Lmao
strong forum
thats some mighty bad dps you have
stoic pilot
It was a 22
toxic gyro
I hate that mob... last week my healer did 104k hps and I did 71k and still almost died at the end...
strong forum
high fort you have to play full turtle for him alone i feel like
toxic gyro
Hey they nerfed it by couple % lol
strong forum
rip
stoic pilot
And a dps dropped and we couldn’t manage to kill before 2nd boss room
But I had no actual tank trinkets until today so I was considering using Maut trinket
Or even just running AuG
stoic pilot
Hmm
Still don’t have nzoth trinket maybe I’ll try to snag that sometime
I wanted to try it in general since I’ve heard it’s pretty great in most keys
But I’ve only really had access to wrathion / torment in a jar so far
And just picked up a vita off our 2nd raden kill
toxic gyro
I really like nzoth trinket
terse oasis
zul hurts everyone, my guardian druid gets chewed up by him too
toxic gyro
Vdh and blood dks laugh
terse oasis
i guess
vdh gluttony build is just broken
press 2 buttons, heal for 80k, never die
tame garden
Dks laugh from the floor
toxic gyro
Last week on 21 i and healer did combined 175hps + all the DRs
terse oasis
my vdh is at like 440ish ilvl, and since you spend like... 95% of the key in meta it just feels like nothing is dangerous
your damage with out TD tho is 🤢
full monolith
Did they change something about the Toxic Monstrosities in Yard? Wasn't able to spell reflect the consume today, did it the same way like last week
nimble brook
I reflected consumes fine when I ran a jy last night
terse oasis
maybe something else ate your SR?
nimble brook
Possible a slime bolt
full monolith
nah my SR wasnt consumed, it just kept running
nimble brook
Maybe it was a bit late
full monolith
i activate SR when the Consume is first casted, like on 75% before the channel
stoic pilot
Did you actually run out and in of the consume? You might’ve spell reflected too late
full monolith
do i have to use it earlier?
stoic pilot
If you do it too late and get debuff you need to run out and in
I use it once it’s at like 80% so I don’t think you did
full monolith
strange
i just stay in and wait for the SR to get consumed and run out after that - do i even have to run out after that?
stoic pilot
No
Once you reflect the initial debuff you can just stay in the puddle
Only leaving / re entering puddle would proc debuff again
full monolith
thats good news, thanks
maybe i just left too early as I thought I might get the debuff applied anyway
solid scroll
...u.i.u.u.tkbykxbukj.xpkubggdntbxjgdbiuut.x
tame garden
terse oasis
yes yes, more wisdom like that @solid scroll
broken stratus
For TOS 1st boss, anyone know if tank can be targeted by jolt? As i die from spell reflecting cyclone strike, i was not the target for cyclone strike, but i died from it with spell reflect. the only thing i can think of is that i was hit by jolt right before the cyclone strike went off.
warm plinth
Yes, you can be targeted by Jolt
sick sentinel
I said hands up also cyclone strike can still hit you if you are too close to the boss
warm plinth
If you plan on reflecting CS, you probably want to call an interrupt on the other boss right before so you can avoid that
How far you are shouldn't matter as long as you're in melee range (because farther away and you allow the cyclones to separate and possibly hit you at different times)
Just make sure you're not moving during the cast
broken stratus
thanks, its just 1st time i got killed by cyclone strike with spell reflect up, not sure what went wrong
tame garden
Why does it suck
young oasis
couse I like to make that logs, you know
silk loom
I was told a 475 Modular Platinum Plating with a socket better than a 460 Sigil of Warding. That doesn't sound right to me?
rigid sinew
475 vial 475 block
silk loom
460 void twisted titanshard with a socket and 460 Humming Black Dragonscale
warm plinth
Well you just have absolute shit options don't you
silk loom
Not great no, but those are the cards you get sometimes
warm plinth
Dragonscale and honestly probably void with those options
And yeah, that person was wrong; you would not use modular plating over anything. Like the only reason I'd use it over the others in that particular set of options is because it has more strength than the rest
But even then it would feel so bad to use that actual garbage effect
sick sentinel
Yeah that goes in the scrapper
glass hearth
How good is the junkgyard shield vs just a stat shield
bold crag
Isn’t junk shield literally junk?
broken stratus
vita better or dragonscale?
strong forum
hmm
silk loom
The raid trinkets have been a little uninspiring
warm plinth
It's not bad. Just not as consistent I would imagine.
strong forum
2min CD on maut makes it bad
the 1min CD on Psychic shell makes it good
not bad bad
warm plinth
Wait
strong forum
but niche for say ilgynoth
strong forum
Wrathion is irrelevant
warm plinth
Where did the convo about raid defensive trinkets start, because I missed that lul
strong forum
unless you do pepega shit
warm plinth
I thought he was asking about vita vs dragonscale
strong forum
it was literally just sykes
tame garden
Wrathion tickles lol
silk loom
ya
strong forum
outing 1 statement
tame garden
Press spell reflect
strong forum
thats it 😄
warm plinth
Oh
warm plinth
I was like wait, am I in the matrix
tame garden
silk loom
I really want the 475 Modular Platinum plaiting to be good as by trinkets are rancid
tame garden
Horrifying
strong forum
tame garden
wary lantern
dont talk about plating, i still cant believe i got it
strong forum
tame garden
👃
wary lantern
btw worth playing Crucible major for single? or rather undying for def? or maybe warden major for skittish?
strong forum
yes Crucible Major is bis for single target
however
for dungeons you wanna default to VoP
and skittish DOES NOT EXIST unless youre bad
warm plinth
It's a non-affix for most tanks
strong forum
did shrine 17 and shrine 20
mage ripped aggro once for 1 second during combust on an add i wasnt targeting
thats it
like, its impossible to lose aggro
wary lantern
i was using undying cos i am playing with undergeared healer
strong forum
unless you do smth seriously wrong
wary lantern
and i like having extra def
strong forum
i mean if you like it and feel you need it sure
wooden radish
@ionic fern
strong forum
but its not recommended as its not deemed necessary unless youre pushing top world keys
wary lantern
hm
wary lantern
how often does VoP proc?
wary lantern
kk, ty
ionic fern
@wooden radish 5 i think. How about you?
warm plinth
Hi @wooden radish 😊
inland thunder
IF vs HoD?
grand drum
Can you fear thing from beyond?
inland thunder
ty ty
sick sentinel
I have feared TFB before but never paid attention... does he take damage to cancel it?
mortal brook
Yes you can damage it and break ccs
carmine nymph
Any tips on prot tanking in ny'alotha?
left hatch
thats a very broad topic
do you have like.. more specific things you're struggling with? a certain fight? etc
terse oasis
'dont die before the boss does'
carmine nymph
Lmao
I was just wondering with general thing for each boss. Mostly all bosses after the first 3. Feels like I’m takeoff to much dmg from the magical aspect and don’t know where to apply my big CD’s
stone lodge
rank 3 warden or rank 1 formless void for keys (in the case i need the corruption res :P)
pallid berry
is CR better then clockwork heart in raid, wondering if the secondary stats is better then more revenge, altho i can also do the fury Reckless flurry
fast beacon
how do the dmg proc weps compare to stat on st and mt?
carmine nymph
Where do I find tank notes?
brisk kettle
Is the taking dmg to increase verse by 801 better or worse than abilities have a chance to increase haste by 1275 for m+
warm plinth
@carmine nymph http://tanknotes.tk
left hatch
@pallid berry CR isn't worth it. it doesn't give you more revenges
the damage component is trivial
and in order to stack and maintain the DR part of it you'll need to cast non-free revenges
which in some cases can cost you survivability
and in general incentivizes a bad playstyle
if yo'ure in trivial content and spamming revenge other things are better for damage
if you're in hard content you don't want to hard cast revenge that often
warm plinth
I'll hard cast your revenge
left hatch
ooh baby
fast beacon
stat wep or fusion hacker/ servant splitter
sick sentinel
Sim it
fast beacon
is the mt apl good enough for prot?
pallid berry
Figured
tame garden
near ivy
fast beacon
..
strong forum
For ST fusion / servant
For aoe stat
Assuming equal ilvl
But the default is always 
left hatch
not sure what you're talking about for "MT APL"
the raidbots one for prot is updated though
strong forum
Mega tank
fast beacon
dungeon slice would you consider it an accurate representation for simulating prot gear in a m+ scenario
left hatch
no
strong forum
No
strong forum
^
ornate ferry
Had a 470 fusion hacker. Even on single target the dmg felt so small
left hatch
'felt'
ornate ferry
^^
fast beacon
i feel like this couldve be solved easier
left hatch
well like Nom said, generally the proc weapons are better in st to the point I dropped ilvl for it in EP when i had a servent splitter
but sims are unique for everyone
ornate ferry
I generally tank M+ so that’s really my reasoning. And why it “felt” worse then a stat weap to me
left hatch
eh idunno, the bleed from splitter was worth using for me back in the day
even in aoe
mileage will vary depending on a lot of stuff, including what secondaries your wep would give
wind fern
Question; what essences, talents & trinkets would you guys recommend in ny'lotha? We have a prot warrior that keeps dying a lot and the healers are struggling with him
left hatch
thats most likely to do bad play
ornate ferry
^^
left hatch
but VoP major with formless void, Conflict and Strife, and Null Dynamo
is the 'defensive' build
swap out CnS for Lucid if you don't have it
is it certain mechanics hes dying to? (like 2nd wrathion breath) or is he generally just paper
wind fern
I'd say both. Tonight he died to the beam on vex, but he also will die to like specific mechanics
He's currently running Crucible of Flame Maj, conflict & strife, vision of perfection & strength of the warden minors
left hatch
CoF is the dps pick for major but it shouldn't hurt his survivability that badly
stone lodge
Guys would you use strength of the warder rank 3 or formless void rank 1 if you had to use one of the two essences ?
left hatch
depends on the content
stone lodge
m+ ? 😛
strong forum
For m+ I like warden
left hatch
if you had logs we could tell more about what hes fucking up
for M+ i tend to use formless cause with my usual group it has 50+% uptime
strong forum
I just like the stam off of it
left hatch
if your group runs a lot of long CD essences or passives like VoP then warden would be the better pick
strong forum
Tbh
wind fern
Both, swaps. But he takes a lot of damage from both. With 2 holy pala and 1 disc, they were struggling to keep him up
stone lodge
kk ty a lot
left hatch
if hes strugglign on adds or holding boss its likely hes dumping rage into IP instead of keeping SB up
wind fern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/akNGTYdb3yQrApgt <- logs from tonight
left hatch
any other fights besides vex that he was really bad on?
oh geeze.... this man isn't hitting any of his buttons
12 casts of shield block for the entire fight
2 casts of last stand
only spell reflected at the very end
wind fern
Tonight it was vex - which is usually an issue for him. And carapace as well he had issues but the other tank isnt sure if it was the floor bs that got him. But he's had issues on a lot of bosses tonight tbh (more than usual)
strong forum
Carapace is beyond easy as prot what
Like NOTHING hurts
Carapace is easier than Maut
He can reflect every other cast of mandible slam, and outside of that he doesn't do anything else
left hatch
on wrathion he cast sheild block 3 times :l
strong forum
He just has to press his buttons, keep SB / last stand up, use IP as rage dump
wind fern
Maut he's always been fine on. Carapace has always had issues. Even when we were progressing, combat resses were usually used on him
left hatch
yah hes not using his active mitigation
strong forum
Throw the link into wowanalyzer
left hatch
anytime you have threat on a target that AA's (which is all but like... 4 in current content) you should have SB up
strong forum
It'll give you a visual representation of what he should've done and can improve upon
wind fern
Ooh missread that :')
Yeah will do
left hatch
IP is just a dump for your rage
it looks (ish) likes hes using Avatar on CD which is good
strong forum
A shitton of red flags
Like you can literally see in wowanalyzer, and show him, he's doing alot wrong
Just by not pressing buttons alone
left hatch
Hes not using Demo shout... which should be used on cd
and from analyzer hes flat out just not doing a rotation... he has downtime
when you should Always be casting
strong forum
The site is very up to date, so he can learn from that
wind fern
The other tank is currently having a stroke hearing this
strong forum
I'd imagine
left hatch
its ok... my old cotank was a Ppal that never stood in coscecrate
left hatch
and then when i tried telling him he overcorrected and would just wait to cast it on cd to overlap it
to make sure
strong forum
Yike,
left hatch
(wasn't malicious compliance dude was just.... hyper focused ig)
strong forum
Consecrate is a filler at times
wind fern
Our other tank is a prot pala and the healers are always happy when he's the one getting slapped because hes easy as hell to keep up
left hatch
yah not pressing the key buttons is kinda like
fundamental for any spec
your poor healers are hard carrying him
and most of his defence rn is coming from armor
so hes jsut an afk target dummy
strong forum
I mean he was only 34k ehrps on vex, that's not insane amounts I would assume
But idk what's real values
The pally was 32k ehrps
Lemme check if I have some pepega logs
Sadly not
I have however 22k ehrps on raden, let's see
left hatch
he also had way less time tanking than the ppal though
wind fern
Ehrps?
left hatch
effective healing required per s
left hatch
but that fight is weird in p3
where poor play can make you EASIER to heal
cause the dot
strong forum
I guess
left hatch
so he probably just derped himself into a really small necro dot
strong forum
External healing required per second
Aka healing he needed from healers instead of his own
So your pally and pwar are actually pretty close in that regard bear
left hatch
ra-den seems better
but yah wrathion was a big yikes
3 shild block casts
is
oof
and he ideally should be using SR on every 2nd breath he takes
OH
he also running devastator
this wont make or break but
thats really only for parse whoring st fights
Booming Voice gives more survival without too much output cost
wind fern
Yeah our pala just also said that :p
strong forum
I mean it's not wrong to go deva, but it's a bit more on demand survivability with bv
wind fern
Ahhh ^^ But thanks for the info guys! I'll relay it to him and have a look into the wow analyzer stuff with others asap as well
blazing gale
yo, scale or vita?
sweet summit
finally got my 465 rezan
blazing gale
i ahve 475 socket sigil of warding 😄
left hatch
sigil of warding is kinda awful
blazing gale
Im learning so will probably need some more survi
sick sentinel
Thing is
left hatch
but it doesn't actually give more survival
sick sentinel
Even a haste trink will help you survive better
left hatch
ignoring the fact that its just a bad version of psychic shell
blazing gale
ok, then also i have 475 rezan 😄
sick sentinel
There you go
sweet summit
rezan+vita
blazing gale
how to sim btw ?
left hatch
unless you're using it, on cooldown, on things you know you wouldn't live without it
which won't happen short of 20ish keys
sweet summit
join the rezan vita gang
sick sentinel
The haste
left hatch
you'll get overall better smoothing and dmg reduction from the haste
sick sentinel
drools
sick sentinel
Rezan + vita @sweet summit how does it feel
blazing gale
what are statweights?
left hatch
for M+ you'll wanna sim Patchwerk 5t 1m 30s with no lust (its in extra options)
and patchwerk 1t 3m with lust
sweet summit
very good
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>Crit for M+
Ilvl>Haste>Verse for raid
numerical statweights are unique to your sim and will change like... literally any upgrade you get
even neck ilvl upgrades
blazing gale
ok, how bad is mastery?
left hatch
not awful
sick sentinel
I will get a vita from raid tonight mark my words
left hatch
its jsut devalued because of the metric fuckton we get from BoM
and with ava having close to 70% uptime
sweet summit
you better get it and join the rezan vita gang
sweet summit
but you ARE a hero
sick sentinel
Wow
sweet summit
you are my hero ❤️
elder berry
I have rezan 470 and vita 460... would wrath trink be worth going for? Currently guildless so not running M atm
sweet summit
rezan+vita gang
elder berry
solid thanks
left hatch
wrathion is about on par with rezan at equal ilvl
and vita is jsut op
is the rule of thumb
elder berry
ty ty
sweet summit
i bless you with decent rng
strong forum
It's quite fun jumping 500 score in 2 days, not gonna lie
sweet summit
massive leap
mortal brook
b i g
left hatch
yuuuge
strong forum
Totally had nothing to do with me not having had a shrine this season
And then doing 20
And get 250 score from 1 key
sweet summit
lmfao
lucid dew
are you guys using strenth of warden or formless void
sick sentinel
Formless void
strong forum
I like warden
For some stam reason
That's not totally logical
But it looks nice
prisma crane
i like warden as well
not to mention that formless is worthless depending on the group you run with
can be*
prisma crane
with stuff like TD the extra HP isnt a ton but it's not bad
plus it's not bad healing, albeit poorly designed
wooden radish
Formless is great when grouped with any spec thats runs COF
dark lark
i feel like formless void gets more value in raids, str of warden in m+
but very feelycrafty
nimble brook
my healer is rdruid that runs cof. formless is better dps but I feel strength of the warden is better defensively for pushing and I do still get a bit of dps from the 3% extra health with TD3
honestly I'm not sure which one I should run though
steady linden
How do you spellreflect ToS first boss Cyclone Strike?
Does it matter who he casts it on?
nimble brook
make sure you're not the one he targets with the strike
then you just pop sr and stand in front
broken stratus
also make sure the other boss is not casting jolt on you at the same time
nimble brook
yes
steady linden
thanks
tidal acorn
Long Live Protecc Warriors!
inland mesa
Also watch the other boss doesn't jolt you right before
median niche
Can u parry necrotic stack application?
stark scroll
Necrotic is applied with melee hits, so yes
sick sentinel
what essences should i be going after? any and all tips appreciated
left hatch
VoP, CnS, Lucid, Aegis, Null, Formless void, Str of Warden, Sphere of Suppression
leaden grail
is anyone familiar with the tactic that allows your group to stand on high ground during the 2nd boss of shrine?
leaden grail
I just die every time during the overlap of speed rune + tornados spawning on interrupt
i eat 2 tornados and im dead
warm plinth
Yeah you have to be really good at dodging tornadoes to do that strat
hollow gorge
Is Ineffable Truth worth it for M+ ?
leaden grail
so it's really just .. dodge?
warm plinth
Yep
leaden grail
oof.
warm plinth
I can probably get you a vod of us doing it but my tank is a VDH so he can probably take a tornado or two and be fine
leaden grail
I'll probably just drop the speed rune outside then
cant dodge whirlwinds + speed rune
warm plinth
Or there could be something I'm missing. @sharp night Any advice for this guy for the ledge strat in Shrine 2nd boss?
sharp night
if you hide in the very corner it's pretty unlikely the tornadoes come towards you
but you have to move for the green rune
leaden grail
I know that, and I never had problems with that
sharp night
i just sit in the speed rune tbh
free haste
and i play topdown
for camera
so i can see tornadoes easily
leaden grail
however I just did a +20 and the following +19 and both times the whirlwind spawned right in that little corner behind me
and I just got knocked into another whirlwind and died
finite gull
Hey guys. I assume anodized deflectors (bracers from mechagon with use) isn't really that great if you have same ilvl peice of gear with a socket?
sick sentinel
Bracers aren’t great anyway
hallow phoenix
Leave bracers alone they're trying their best
oh i got racing pulse 3 which im excited to try out with expedient 3
dungeon setup is now TD 2, expedient 3, racing pulse 3
I could do searing breath instead of pulse though, not really sure which is worth. Searing Breath* does 4-7k dps for me in dungeons
hushed cobalt
I got wrathion last night, so it's searing breathe + 2 r2 EVs
Shame IP and SB don't count to the counter
upbeat orbit
Vita + Torment is pretty solid
Vita + Void and Vita + Dragonscale are also pretty good
Torment is best for damage and vita/dscale is haste buffs
plush prism
Would you guys say that Twilight Dev is necessary for 5 mask full clears? I have a rank 3 infinite stars but no TD 😦
edgy bone
I just got this BoE
warm plinth
Congrats
sick sentinel
Congrats on the 2m