nome but what about leech
#protection
lusty grotto
modern brook
@lusty grotto probabl in classic
lusty grotto
you shut your mouth i did keys last night
strong forum
modern brook
~didnt invite me~
lusty grotto
also used my bonus rolls
brittle owl
tfw 12's with pugs are harder than 18's
west kayak
Stupid question but would I swap out 460 boots with TD 3 for 475 boots with VR 3? Just thinking ilvl...
strong forum
No
lunar jackal
no
brittle owl
no
sweet summit
No
lusty grotto
lol @modern brook we invited a rogue that literally died on everything, after saying he had done a 15?
west kayak
I did preface it saying it was a stupid question.
strong forum
:)
sick sentinel
Sorry, didnt know essences dont change. My bad.
lusty grotto
wtb td3
sweet summit
No
lusty grotto
i mean just imagine inviting a rogue and the first thing he says is "im happy cause i did a 15"
massive red flag
modern brook
he didnt say he timed it
lusty grotto
then proceeds to die ON EVERYTHING
west kayak
I have the Haste proc Corruption on a ring as well, rank 3, but fear that with TD 3 is too much Corruption. Puts me at 58 I believe.
modern brook
Outlaw?
lusty grotto
pfft outlaw
strong forum
58 is fine for most content
lusty grotto
we boomers call that combat okay
west kayak
I am going to run 5 Mask solo this week, would you run it there or just TD 3?
west kayak
My problem has never been the Thing but the incoming damage from the Eye.
west kayak
Intervene and Heroic Leap save me from that.
That and VoP. I run CoF in Visions though.
analog zinc
woo i got an upgrade out of heroic Poggers 😮
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest i dont even know what you guys are talking about
leech spotted though
strong forum
Insane upgrade
analog zinc
yeah i trade my avoidance for leeeeeech 😮
6% leech now 😮
if i wear leech corruption i have 22%!
strong forum
Insane 10k hps right there
lusty grotto
reeeee
analog zinc
you're just jealous!
lusty grotto
REEEEEE
wooden radish
@ionic fern what do you think will happen in today's election? Will Bernie Sanders win the California Primary? Can Biden win Texas? Thanks for listening. I look forward to your insights.
wooden radish
nah im good right here
strong forum
lusty grotto
cat being cat
oh man literalgarbage is back!
i got
a merektha's yesterday
guess what i did
like good ole times
lusty grotto
nice try, close but.. its definitely destroyed
sweet summit
Not even worth the expulsom
modern brook
ahh yes the thingie
lusty grotto
yes the scrap thingie
sweet summit
Thingy
sweet summit
sweet summit
Tldr; doesnt change anything outside of islands and the mdi
lusty grotto
wtf people still do islands
sweet summit
maybe m+ boost runs
lusty grotto
shit i had forgotten about those
sweet summit
I think so
sweet summit
Grind that neck 😩
lusty grotto
i guess you get neck levels but why
shit i have barely played and almost got the new minor
sweet summit
Self hatred
lusty grotto
like 1 lvl away i think
yeah def
i suppose its good for money making if that's still a thing
for the xmog shit
plucky jacinth
They only take about 15 minutes for the weekly cap.
tame garden
@warm plinth you can come to our heroic nights
wooden radish
@tame garden can i come
tame garden
Horde like pinky
wooden radish
uhh i won't be buying any runs
tame garden
😂
wooden radish
tame garden
undone sun
imagine being EU
tame garden
Always watching
lusty grotto
time to load up on fuel for my surprise ghash meme video
modern brook
U playing classic is still funnier tbh
wooden radish
Pinky is EU ?
tame garden
Long distance cat
lusty grotto
is it a murican cat
maiden ravine
I slept late. I didn't get a chance to open my caches before work haha
tame garden
All 8 of them
drifting lotus
3 caches - 3 T3 corruptions
modern brook
i had 3 weeks of trinkets
tame garden
Reported
modern brook
cause life is pain
strong forum
Ah ye I also got EV t3 boots
distant crystal
my guildy burned two vessels this morning
oblique garnet
Boss is dead 
distant crystal
started the vision and had no orbs
distant crystal
i just tried it on my most scuffed alt, i had orbs tho 😮
oblique garnet
Nzoth
lusty grotto
who dat
sweet summit
Grats late!
lusty grotto
OH!
mortal brook
Gratz!
tame garden
Grats late
modern brook
Great maybe he can fucking heal more than 20k/s now
lusty grotto
lmao
modern brook
😠
exotic spoke
@oblique garnet congrats QTPie
exotic spoke
Grind out some more M+ and watch the NA content
tame garden
Now you afk til shadowlands
lusty grotto
you need to make an alliance char on Kirtonos NA and join my guild
and then you can start to play
oblique garnet
lul
exotic spoke
Eww classic
exotic spoke
Why aren’t I?
lusty grotto
😢
exotic spoke
I want a good game - not a game that was solved 15 years ago
lusty grotto
where is your sense of companionchip with Chef Nimchip
tame garden
Raiding on classic looks insanely boring
exotic spoke
Like, I don’t have enough time to do everything I want in retail. No fucking way I’d have enough time to do shit in classic
modern brook
Classic wow is literally OSRS if it was bad
exotic spoke
Way bigger of a grind
lusty grotto
me friendchips
modern brook
Like OSRS is updating itself w/ community input
exotic spoke
I ❤️ you Nim. But I’m not going to play a game I don’t enjoy to play with a friend
modern brook
classic wow is releasing content that already exists
lusty grotto
doing loot council with friends is fun
i guarantee it
you have fun crying while drama ensues
exotic spoke
That’s sounds like a fucking trap
lusty grotto
because apparently
exotic spoke
And if I want content like that I have Gallywix and the other gold boosting services - such as how AGB burned to the ground this past weekend - to watch
modern brook
yeah
tame garden
Yes lol
exotic spoke
Yes Ticon
edgy bone
ok
tame garden
If you need healing then press it
modern brook
On CD tbh because im a fucking winner
lusty grotto
personal loot is clearly superior in every way and form, like i said so many times along these past few years
edgy bone
will do
exotic spoke
Personal loot with these restrictions is ducking cancer.
Personal loot without these restrictions is still bad
lusty grotto
shut up
maiden ravine
I like personal loot
lusty grotto
personal loot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
modern brook
I'm very sad my god tier joke is being drowned by this garbage conversation
exotic spoke
It incentivizes raid stacking to min max and distribute gear. If you’re not a loot spec / armor type that’s common you get the shaft
IE shields
maiden ravine
No one wants to go back to 5 man's dropping armor types not in the group
lusty grotto
ok riki
exotic spoke
Literal aids
exotic spoke
No cause fuck classic
sweet summit
@modern brook 8/10 joke
exotic spoke
Just because I despise personal loot doesn’t mean I want to play classic
modern brook
ty ros
lusty grotto
egpg/suicidekings/whateverthefuckelse
exotic spoke
I chuckled bull
modern brook
TY riki
lusty grotto
personal 👏 loot 👏 is 👏 the 👏 best 👏 thing 👏 wow 👏 has 👏 done
terse oasis
need?!
lusty grotto
people spam LFM messages
terse oasis
😛
lusty grotto
then reserve items
sweet summit
M+ is the best thing in the world if they delete tyrannical
terse oasis
tyran isn't so bad
sweet summit
Ohoho
lusty grotto
i mean
terse oasis
it just means you need to focus more on single target damage
lusty grotto
legion tyrannical was worse
terse oasis
where fort weeks it's lol pog aoe mongo
sweet summit
Its fun to do a boss and your healer runs out of mana before you can kill it yea
exotic spoke
Tyrannical is the inhibitor to pushing keys
modern brook
Fort/Tyr is really just "whcih part of the dungeon do you absofuckinglultey have to pay attention to
exotic spoke
Fort weeks are usually better for pushing
terse oasis
fort teem tho, gonna be a yikes from me dog
sweet summit
Fort teem is ait
terse oasis
most of the groups i'm in have enough trouble kicking one caster >.>
sweet summit
Better than necro imo
terse oasis
necro is annoying, but not to bad, just kite a bit
modern brook
Necro just means it takes 10 minutes longer to pug a tank
exotic spoke
I believe you mean “just dwarf”
terse oasis
clap up some threat, leap out, clap up some threat, stun, trees/bindingshot/circleofpeace
modern brook
is this first teeming week?
terse oasis
i think so
sweet summit
Ye
modern brook
BLEGH gunna have to relearn routes now :/
exotic spoke
Yeah - time to see junkyard / workshop with teeming for the first time
modern brook
100% workshop will be aids with it
sweet summit
Anda said workshop wasnt too bad so thats good
lusty grotto
yoyo let me keep going with how dungeon runs go in classic: "LFM strat - cloak reserved", no melee dps/hunters sign up because what the fuck else do they need from it, you get some mages, 2 hours later you get a tank, you run it. Cloak doesn't drop. Yay no personal loot! Similarly, you try to join a group and can't cause the one item you need is "reserved", yay no personal loot!!
exotic spoke
And you have bots in junkyard so it’ll be aight
terse oasis
the extra bombs/bursting guys/bleeds in workshop will be sucky
exotic spoke
So, just give guild groups the option - boom problem solved
terse oasis
JY, depending upon route, is a super easy key
modern brook
@lusty grotto just dont play classic 4Head
exotic spoke
But in seriousness. Sounds like classic has more issues than benefits 
terse oasis
if you can go slime first, you can get everyone shocks/grease in like 4 minutes
or less, if you're not bad like me 😛
lusty grotto
you don't know how many groups would actually go, if that was implemented
modern brook
to sit in a PUG dungeon for 2 hours
exotic spoke
I know you’re trolling
lusty grotto
im not trolling
exotic spoke
But personal loot only is aids
exotic spoke
Give guild groups an option to decide
lusty grotto
and my opinion STILL stands
exotic spoke
I remember legion when it was around Nim
lusty grotto
that personal loot is better
exotic spoke
I disagree strongly when it comes to raid.
However, I’ll admit that it is different when you get 5 or so pieces for 20 players versus 3 for 40
lusty grotto
i dont understand why you want to manage loot riki
exotic spoke
M+ I’ve never had an issue with personal loot
lusty grotto
what's the benefit
exotic spoke
It’s not a matter of managing loot. It’s a matter of certain items drop a lot less than others
lusty grotto
trying to give people that are getting rng'd something?
exotic spoke
So if you’re one of the armor types / need an item that’s a minority you can’t get things you need
See my previous example regarding shields
lusty grotto
i mean that's what bonus rolls are for
exotic spoke
It’s still a lot lower of a drop chance
lusty grotto
you really can't cater to a minority
exotic spoke
And just because you prefer it doesn’t mean everyone should be stuck with it. Let us decide how we want to do loot
lusty grotto
idk
lusty grotto
because its prone to abuse
exotic spoke
You join a guild you accept their loot rules. Don’t like it don’t join
lusty grotto
first of all
if its only enabled for a run that's guild only
i guess its fine
second of all
i wouldn't join a guild that does that
exotic spoke
That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time
lusty grotto
and im sure a lot of people wouldn't either, but i guess that's not the point
exotic spoke
Jesus Christ Nim
lusty grotto
they did that guild recruitment shit
exotic spoke
You’re obviously trolling
lusty grotto
i'm not?
exotic spoke
This was how it was fucking done in Legion
lusty grotto
you're getting mad by yourself lol
exotic spoke
“Guild run can be decided”
Master loot or personal loot. Return it to that because personal loot with the current restrictions on trading is fucking aids
lusty grotto
i dont remember master loot being limited to a full guild run
so in a pug you could toggle it and fuck everyone else
exotic spoke
And you’re projecting your opinion on the mass population Nim. You don’t know what people want and dont want.
It was a guild group only which had like an 80% requirement or something like that
lusty grotto
hmm
i recall a requirement
so you might be right
either way we didnt use it, so yeah
sick sentinel
This a good push week for keys?
autumn pendant
Quite decent
sweet summit
Decent, some pulls are harsh in some dungeons
sick sentinel
I’m guessing Kings rest and shrine are no goes
sick sentinel
Can you skip all the teeming packs In shrine?
sweet summit
I dont remember exactly what teems in shrine, but the obelisks are nicely placed
warm plinth
@tame garden I appreciate that, but mostly why I don't raid is because I work kind of an odd shift so I doubt it would line up haha.
sweet summit
Exactly
modern brook
Ppl that still complain about shrine struggle with 10s
No ones arguing me but I want to push this point really hard
sweet summit
I can try to disagree with you if you wanna argue
modern brook
I would argue shrine is one of the easiest dungeons this season
warm plinth
Hardest key
modern brook
If not straight up the easiest
warm plinth
But yeah Shrine is pretty free this season
warm plinth
I'm actually looking forward to this week; I think with new quaking it's gonna be great
modern brook
What's new quaking
warm plinth
You don't take damage unless you're stacked
dark lark
god damnit. Do i use this over my 470 h cara weapon and feel bad about it?
warm plinth
But if you're stacked, it's double what it used to be.
So with 1 person stacked, it's the same as last season
sweet summit
Ilvl
warm plinth
But with 2 people, it's gonna do 80% of your HP to all of you
left hatch
why would you feel bad about it? the proc makes it one of our best ST weapons
and i think its a smidge better than Servent Cleaver
mortal brook
Its a solid dmg proc dshoo. Will win outside of like oodles of targets
Esp with the ilvl boost
Mine is pretty consistently 3 or 4% of my overall
daring marlin
What are affixes this week? Fort/teem/quake?
sweet summit
Ye
sweet summit
Pumper week
dark lark
@mortal brook 😦
dark lark
faint cove
What kind of overall damage y’all getting at end of runs (without corruption damage)? I haven’t been lucky enough to get TD or EV but on 15s and up I am stuck at about 35k overall
mortal brook
ah maybe 2~3 then
dark lark
@faint cove 35k seems good without damage corruptions. I just did 48k in a ML and 18.9% of my damage was twilight dev. workshop after that was 33.3k overall with 20.3% being twilight dev
come to think of it, i should probably spec more ST for workshop next time
sick sentinel
in higher keys it's awful not to use booming voice nor defensive essences
in workshop
faint cove
It’s driving me crazy because dps at 15s and up are doing like 70k overall and I am sitting over here at 30k looking like a clown
tame garden
@warm plinth sundays at 730 est if you're ever around for it
strong forum
I'm doing 50-60k on 15s
But im not 475 azerite yet and only 2/3 bom, once I have good azerite and TD t3 that should be 60k minimum each dungeon
Goal is 70k tho
Which should be easy next week, but I'll prolly play arms all week so no tank pad to be had
sick sentinel
Td is so unpredictable
faint cove
Your doing 50k without td now ? @strong forum
edgy bone
Any good for us?
sick sentinel
does 15% of my damage one dungeon
edgy bone
Any good for us?
faint cove
What’s best for us you thinking ?
strong forum
You can hit 50k without TD yes
prisma oracle
Would you run Meticulous Scheming or Reckless flurry trait? If I go for Reckless Flurry, its my third stack of the trait.
strong forum
I mean shit, we've done that last season already
MS is very good johops
RF is only good for ST
prisma oracle
Awesome, thanks 🙂
sick sentinel
50k was average last season
strong forum
Ye
naive panther
Lol 50k average last season? For prot?
sick sentinel
yes
naive panther
Dunno if people understand what average means
sick sentinel
average for high keys
strong forum
Well top of the top pumpers could even hit 60k, but typical world first pushers ended up at 35-40k
sick sentinel
average for horrible people of course it's going to be very low
prisma oracle
I find it ridiculous how high dps we sim
prisma oracle
Well yes, but that was not what I was comparing against
craggy harness
how much do you sim without corruption
prisma oracle
Of course no one would compare to a "good" dps sim.
Let me check
6k less, so 40k
strong forum
Even without corruption its better
mortal brook
certainly. dps wise though maybe not, I'm not sure about warr prot weights but mastery might be low enough the other pulls ahead
minus the corruption
glass walrus
Hi folks, curious if anyone uses Wowanalyzer?
I'm wondering if the downtime section includes time between pulls, or if it's just time that i'm not casting during battle.
mortal brook
side by side
strong forum
Sim will tell you 470 over 475
sick sentinel
mastery is buns
mortal brook
no, downtime will not be time between pulls except in an m+ log
mortal brook
natural downtime from fight mechanics like wrathion would be something accounted for though
strong forum
Does WowA work for m+?
mortal brook
yes, but you gotta account for between pull downtime on it
glass walrus
I was curious if I could infer routing metrics from the downtime, like if we have 40% downtime are we running around/backtracking too much.
@strong forum not sure? but it loaded my log and gave me a breakdown.
mortal brook
so like, if you have 20% downtime and it says you wasted 20% of Shield Slams, you were prob very SS efficient
glass walrus
ahhh
limpid pawn
So....
glass walrus
so it looks at the entire dungeon as a single encounter?
mortal brook
aye basically
limpid pawn
The 475 is better but the 470 sims better?
mortal brook
you can take snippets of it iirc
limpid pawn
What’s that mean 😯
drifting lotus
when you're simming at 50k - what are your settings at?
strong forum
If you're strictly going for dps, the 470 is better, but for general tankiness 475 is better ( assuming you cleanse the corruption) @limpid pawn
If you don't cleanse the corruption 475 will be ahead no matter what
mortal brook
so taking away the corruption, based on the general dps weakness of mastery, the crit/haste gloves would pull ahead. but with the corruption, the mastery gloves will pull ahead regardless, and is in general probably the better piece
difference would be marginal and the gains from ilvl like armor/stam would make it the better piece regardless
glass walrus
cool, ty! that makes more sense -- i had some craaazy downtime on SW, and SB had a lot of downtime but had 90% effective use. But that helps me understand how to adjust analysis of the findings. ty @mortal brook and @strong forum
mortal brook
some of the metrics will work fine though. like the 'hits taken without sb up' doesnt care about downtime.
others you gotta factor in the downtime of the m+ run
flint cliff
darkness or brace for impact
undone sun
Id bet it's an issue with raidbots, the HTML looks fine from a glance @drifting lotus
@ionic fern
flint cliff
anyone?
drifting lotus
my warrior sims just lower than my 470 outlaw rogue does :smh:
left is rogue - right is prot warrior (5 bosses / 2 min)
ionic fern
YOu rang Sir
mortal brook
Hod will beat out bfi in most cases. you're welcome to sim for it @flint cliff
strong forum
Why would you sim 2min
left hatch
M+ aoe
brisk ferry
I also have IP simming as my top dps ability
sick sentinel
doesn't matter, you're simming more of the relation to aoe than anything
strong forum
I mean you can answer the impassive vs Bury yourself exali
Just think about it
How often do you take dmg
flint cliff
i highlighted that
flint cliff
nono just on nyo trash so i cant actually slot it
drifting lotus
someone had told me to sim 5/2, 3/2, 1/3 (I thought)
wooden radish
@ionic fern why does my sim look like this
mortal brook
wut
strong forum
First msvpg or some shit, then nick, now kyothi
sick sentinel
nick?
warm plinth
Nike
strong forum
Nike
sick sentinel
oh my locks name
warm plinth
tfw I sim lower than a prot war
By like
A lot
I think when I ran sim this morning, my AoE sim was like 152k
drifting lotus
you're rocking 68 corruption? :#
sick sentinel
Nike is my locks name so I used it when I was in a guild. Mvpg was from like 10 years ago and kyo was my alias for fps games
I don't rock 68 corruption
That's with racing pulse
TD boots are 48 corruption
and it sims like 3 dps lower
strong forum
I sim like 210k as arms
warm plinth
Oh I did only sim 5 targets though instead of 6; that would definitely impact it a bit
drifting lotus
padding his sim with 6 targets.. smh
strong forum
210k 5 target as arms, prot idk and too lazy to get up from bed
warm plinth
I sim w/o bloodlust or pot too because I'm too lazy to farm sea stalks or w/e it is I need for agi pots
So I just use unbridled all the time lol
drifting lotus
lol
strong forum
What a name
warm plinth
Thank you
warm plinth
I actually server transferred a while back and had the opportunity to rename it, but I couldn't think of anything
I like my alliance DH's name but it was taken on Tich
strong forum
My DH is called Blobstep
warm plinth
My alliance one is Effigy
royal rune
If I'm trying to gear for tanking mythics should I be putting prot as my spec for the weekly chest?
strong forum
My pally is called shitank backwards
royal rune
Or fury for TD
warm plinth
Oof, TD 4
warm plinth
That's pretty good though; still like 35k higher than mine 😭
strong forum
Cries in TD t2
sick sentinel
I mean I do have 3 bastion, 2 dcs and a hod
warm plinth
My corruption options are so bad that it's having me use a Honed Mind III corruption as a havoc DH
Gotta get dat mastery
I have a TD1 and that's pretty much it. The rest is either Expedient or the mastery proc iirc
drifting lotus
is that with BL Kyothi?
daring marlin
gimme more expedient
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I do get 21% more haste from gear though haha
Which means I have almost 100% haste with only 2 Furious Gaze
sick sentinel
ye that's with bl
I would never go over 40 corruptoin tho
and that 40 ilvl drop
actually 55
sick sentinel
It barely sims higher
warm plinth
Kinda felt good though because it means I can use my 475 pants now instead of 445s
strong forum
Fuck my dh
undone sun
catch up old man
sweet summit
Classic gamers sit down
warm plinth
Maybe stop playing classic
strong forum
Clas-:kekw:
lusty grotto
settle down people
strong forum
never
lusty grotto
😢
undone sun
strong forum
The future is now old man 🗡️ 👨🦳
daring marlin
No 🗡️ needed
lusty grotto
strong forum
🤺
lusty grotto
hey look what i found
daring marlin
warm plinth
🍞
strong forum
⚰️
lusty grotto
a good ole bonereaver's edge
daring marlin
^
lusty grotto
does...
does she have
snot
whats going on there
coronavirus?
okay that's my cue, it was lovely to be here again 👋
warm plinth
Nim where are you going
mortal brook
its probably just a cleft lip and you're being insensitive nim
warm plinth
lul
undone sun
👓
sick sentinel
His name was nigehunter 😆
daring marlin
@lusty grotto Show some respect for Corona-chan
daring marlin
wat
strong forum
Probably just a forced rename
lusty grotto
o
modern brook
How did u do a worse ss than the other guy
flint cliff
FUCK YES
modern brook
Gunna rage cap on god tbh
sweet summit
@royal rune considering you got it on a ring with both a socket and a ton of haste, pretty good. Damage procs like td is still better tho :/
lusty grotto
👉 use windows key + shift + s then paste in here 👈
yall need to learn
i will not stop!
terse oasis
like this?
lusty grotto
and if you're somehow using windows 7, well rest in pepperonis
royal rune
@sweet summit cool thanks for thoughts
lusty grotto
royal rune
You can still get TD speccing prot cant you
royal rune
What's the difference between td and ev with the td nerf
royal rune
So td still bis?
terse oasis
eh.. td nerf is not as bad as people think
strong forum
TD still doing 14k+ EV still doing 6k tops
terse oasis
you don't pull 11+ mobs that often
strong forum
TD nerf doesnt apply to normal keys
only to giga pulls, and even then it does a fuckton
terse oasis
yeah
royal rune
Ahh
terse oasis
i mean, TD for me hits about 250-300k, so hitting for 1.25mil + another 600K on a 10 pack is still a large whack of damage
strong forum
assuming you never crit
terse oasis
agreed, it's still far and away the best tank corruption for dps
even single target
imo
left hatch
ST point per corruption Gushing wounds is better
strong forum
gl getting 8 GW
left hatch
well thats the thing you don't 'outdo' it
terse oasis
gushing is the rarest possible corruption iirc
royal rune
IS would still be better that td on single target bosses tho?
left hatch
its really strong because it fills in gaps
strong forum
on raw ST, it can be better
terse oasis
yeah
strong forum
but IS is a bitch
terse oasis
the problem with IS, is that if there's more than 1 target
strong forum
never procs as often as you want it to
terse oasis
your stacking slows way down
nimble brook
I might cleanse my 475 crit haste infinite star 2 bracer because it's an upgrade over my 465 crit vers. already have TD3
not sure if I'll regret it later though
strong forum
IS will never see proper use rest of this xpac
neither m+ nor on relevant bosses
so its an easy cleanse, its more a pvp corruption tbh
nimble brook
my main content is m+ so looks like I'll cleanse
sullen valve
Guys Mwahi is mean
terse oasis
yeah
IS just stacks to slow, and since you can't 'focus it'
any ads make it wasted
tiny iris
searing flames vs racing pulse for m+? cant use both cause ive got a t2 twilight dev on
strong forum
racing pulse
terse oasis
^
tiny iris
k cool ty
terse oasis
get more claps in
(also i think it can help with SB uptime.. but who cares, more damage clap clap)
tiny iris
all we care about is claps
royal rune
Another q. The best use of titan residuum would be to try and get the bis pieces with DC and BoM and HOD yeah? I'm going for mythic +
hallow phoenix
Searing flames sims higher for me than racing pulse
nimble brook
can't get HoD with residuum
brisk ferry
You can't get HoD with residuum
wooden radish
royal rune
Ahh darn
nimble brook
clockwork heart is not a bad alternative though I feel
strong forum
hod is only on raid pieces, vendor bis pieces are
Abyssal Malevolence Helmet
Kraken / Mecha Shoulders
Ashvane / Mecha Chest
unless there arent mecha shoulders need to double check
nimble brook
there are
royal rune
Mecha shoulders is the tank buster cauldrons?
hallow phoenix
Yes
nimble brook
elemental whirl I think
hallow phoenix
You're right
strong forum
Bom + clockwork
nimble brook
damn nice
sullen valve
@wooden radish look what mwahi told me
nimble brook
I got the harpooner's chest during my gamble
strong forum
🙂
nimble brook
it's so bad that droptimizer recommends I gamble chest again even though I have a 465 helm and shoulder
hallow phoenix
What's on it
nimble brook
longstrider or self reliance
wooden radish
yo @ionic fern you better apologize to my bestie @sullen valve or he won't help you with any WoWAn stuff, ok
ionic fern
What
hallow phoenix
Stride
nimble brook
yeah I'm using IF, brace, lifespeed, and stride
this is what my last droptimizer showed
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/etzCs5DvB72afb3xappbv9
feels bad lol
nimble brook
okay I'll run it again with patchwerk
undone sun
3-5 target patchwerk
gloomy bridge
How does Ineffable Truth stack up for prot as a corruption?
nimble brook
running again with 5 target 1 1/2 min
terse oasis
dungeon slice is always wrong, it's a bad sim
i don't see ineff being super useful, it's not instant cleanse, but it doesn't seem worth losing another corruption for
strong forum
its pretty good for arms
so id imagine it being pretty solid for prot too
not to mention its very little corruption
and we have some budget of resist to work with already
terse oasis
anger management deals with a lot of our CD's
terse oasis
just saying, like using it instead of like % verse, or crit or td.. i don't see it being worth
strong forum
im not saying instead
im saying its not bad
and its very little corruption
30% is only 12 corruption
terse oasis
oh yeah
like i said, if you can fit it in instead of something else, go for it
but it's mid-tier
in raid it might actually be better, depending upon your tank time and rage generation
terse oasis
verse and haste % i see being upper tear
since we are already stacking haste pretty hard
royal rune
Bloody azerite vendor. I think I've spent near 12-13k and no bis pieces
nimble brook
nice thing is that eventually once you have enough gambled azerites, you can scarp them for 1k residuum back
scrap*
strong forum
laughs in mecha chest
royal rune
I've gotten every chest and shoulders except for the ones I need
drifting lotus
at what point do you NOT gamble 475 and go for BIS directly?
strong forum
i guess when you have trouble clearing NM raid and +10s
near ivy
i think he means at what point do you save for specific
drifting lotus
that is what i mean
strong forum
idk i never went for specific
drifting lotus
i mean - chances of you getting the piece you want seem pretty rare
strong forum
2/7
drifting lotus
and if you have decent 465s
royal rune
I might just start saving for 20k specific
broken stratus
@gloomy bridge i dont use ineffable truth. I tried it. it doesnt always line up well with our ability. it happens many time when it proc, i use shield slam, but my next ability reset shield slam so its wasted
strong forum
im double speccing this patch so my chances are very high to get something useful out of gambling
broken stratus
or when it proc, you want to use shield but you still have 3s uptime on shield block, no point to use it
royal rune
Is blood rite any good ?
strong forum
ye
broken stratus
the only time it lines up, its when my tc is on cd and it procs, i get double tc in a row
strong forum
pretty sure you get 30%/50% for 10seconds duration
not 3sec off of your last spell
you seem to be confusing smth
not omen of clarity
broken stratus
oh my bad, i am thinking about glimpse of clarrity
strong forum
ye
broken stratus
my bad
edgy bone
Do you guys ever have shield block and ignore pain active together?
edgy bone
What
strong forum
Shield Block is your main midigation
Ignore Pain is a dmg smoother ONTOP of block
and a rage dump
sharp night
if you have to pick, you take SB as long as it's blockable
but you should be having both
most of the time
edgy bone
So both active at the same time, ALWAYS or 90%of the time?
flint cliff
which 1
strong forum
HMC
warm plinth
Don't think of it like that
flint cliff
thanks
strong forum
no that was just me saying a random number
warm plinth
Prioritize Shield Block 100%, and if you have rage to use, you use it on Ignore Pain
strong forum
^
flint cliff
okay so heed my call?
warm plinth
Honestly most people fuck themselves up by overthinking it
edgy bone
But it feels like I ALWAYS have tons of rage
sharp night
people really take hmc over gutripper?
strong forum
yes Ticon
sharp night
gutripper is insane
warm plinth
Then use more Ignore Pain
strong forum
HMC for aoe, gutripper for ST
warm plinth
You are going to overcap Ignore Pain but it's 100000% better to overcap Ignore Pain than to overcap rage
dawn jasper
If you're getting attacked by unblockable attacks then prioritise ignore pain. Blockable attacks go with both.
sharp night
i feel like in practice HMC is still worse than gutripper because the aoe radius is 3yds which means the mobs need to be effectively stacked perfectly on top of each other
sharp night
3yds is less than melee radius
but gutripper can proc on all targets with the 5x bonus at low hp
kinda like the breath essence for dps
would need logs to confirm though, the above was just my thoughts because 3yds is so small (based on mob hitbox)
strong forum
HMC always double procs even on ST
strong forum
according to bloodmallet Gutripper is only 10% better on ST
sharp night
do sims get to execute range
ionic fern
Due to a lot of people asking about why top raider.io Protection Warriors are using Lucid and AuG major essences
and if everyone should also use them in their lower keys I decided to do a small write-up on the topic.
In order to get the high key PoV i asked @sick sentinel (yes, THAT Rads) to help me out and explain why these
essences are used in high (20+) keys and then added some notes about why they are not the most suitable ones for lower keys.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rPtV1-_XvylrUJrEaAyDrQ4JJ6JeDpzwrzdFnqxHA9Q/edit?usp=sharing
undone sun
👌
strong forum
finally
sharp night
i guess it's a tossup then if it's that close
strong forum
it really is
mortal brook
what a baller
royal rune
Azerite globules or heed my call for mythic ?
royal rune
K
potent anvil
strong forum
BFI if your shield isnt 465+
royal rune
So stack bfi?
strong forum
if your shield is low itemlevel, yes
royal rune
My shield is 450
royal rune
Awesome thanks
drifting lotus
Carapace of siphon?
strong forum
siphon
drifting lotus
also, i gambled - no BIS piece 😦
strong forum
carapace is very bad
drifting lotus
lol, i love when people say to look to icy viens and then your told otherwise 😛
royal rune
Heres another q. Just about done here: elemental whirl , gutripper or lifrspeed
edgy bone
@drifting lotus are you 2000 rating yet
drifting lotus
no
strong forum
cuz its written from a purely defensive viewpoint
edgy bone
Lmao
strong forum
and in that regard, CC is technically better
however if you look at general use, anything will do you better cuz 400 armor for a prot warrior is nothing
royal rune
Yeah I'm done with gambling. Slow and steady wins the race
@strong forum would you go elemental whirl or life speed? For 3rd ring.
Or gutripper
strong forum
lifespeed cuz haste
edgy bone
I thought ML was shield
royal rune
Buy?
strong forum
ML is shield yes, but atal isnt bad either
royal rune
How
strong forum
ye auction house
royal rune
Oh
strong forum
800k i was willing to spend
royal rune
Can you get bis azerite on ah?
strong forum
so i dont run into danger of looting or 🍽️
no you cant buy azerite from AH
that would be pay to win
royal rune
Oh shield
nimble brook
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eJHmLeUBcQcFaJfWZT3ooX now with patchwerk 5 target 1 min 30 sec instead of dungeon slice
still the 475 chest I gambled is so bad that they suggest another chest gamble instead of replacing 465 shoulder lol
nimble brook
yeah feels bad
edgy bone
@nimble brook you sim 133k single target?
nimble brook
no it's 5 targets 1 min 30 sec sim
nimble brook
will try patchwerk single target
flint cliff
any second opinions?
strong forum
shout is pretty neat
flint cliff
now that i have twilight devestation does vers take prio
mortal brook
haste crit and vers all scale with TD np
mortal brook
aye totes
flint cliff
how about str, since it doesnt scale
should probably replace the 120 str gem with haste
sly shadow
No questions, but I recently swapped to prot Warrior for keys and holy shit is it fun. Feels like a boss with CD’s coming up so fast. Still trying to get bastions (currently have none) but still working great.
royal rune
Oh is horrific visions clear 5 masks easier with prot or fury. Similar ilevel
dense plaza
gemhide or vamp seed
shy yoke
Besides TD any other good corruption piece? EV still worth to carry?
mortal brook
@royal rune whichever you're playing better. both specs can do it fine
gushing wounds still fantastic
dense plaza
is vision major still a thing? I'm confused
dense plaza
whats the go to stats? I'm looking at IO leaderboard and it's all over the place
modern brook
Visions major is the default, you're seeing more and more top ports in kets running lucid, generally with a fire mage because of the absurd survivability it provides. They're doing omega pulls around large cds like combust and meya and need the absurd survivability
dense plaza
should I just sim for dmg and thats it?