that would be a circus of toxicity
#protection
lusty grotto
undone sun
i've seen worse
left hatch
@winged grail fury pots for st, empowered proximity for 3+
warm plinth
It'd be 4+. At 3 targets, it's less str than the normal strength potion.
1080 vs 1215
left hatch
ah ok, for some reason was thinking 3
copper radish
Do you think Shield Block uptime will be able to get close to 100% (in combo with last stand) with the corruption system?
analog zinc
no because why would you stack haste corruptions when you can stack IS
or leech 😮
lowkey tho i'd fucking love to get a leech set
get like 50% leech
never die
can solo everything
undone sun
leech 😡
analog zinc
leech is bad normally but if you get a critical mass of it it'll prob be pretty good
lucid major is already solid & that's just 20%
undone sun
highly doubtful
warm plinth
Yeah but to get that leech you're giving up a ton of damage
undone sun
always have to think about the tradeoffs
analog zinc
let me check corruption values
warm plinth
It's the same sacrifice people were talking about during the "leech meme" phase, just at a higher scale.
analog zinc
i'm pretty sure t3 leech costs 20 or 25 corruption
warm plinth
Like the damage you can get from corruption is actually stupid; sacrificing that for leech is extraordinarily meme-y
analog zinc
if its 25 than 8% leech is equivalent to 5k dps from infinite stars
near ivy
broke: Lucid major is good because it lets you spam IP
woke: Lucid major is good because it lets you chain Avatars back to back
AWAKENED: LUCID MAJOR IS GOOD BECAUSE YOU CLAP CHEEKS AND LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH
warm plinth
How is leech equivalent to damage 🤔
analog zinc
in terms of corruption value
analog zinc
i mean its the veng dh argument all over again
you sacrifice your own dps to pull bigger & improve group dps
undone sun
leech is entirely fueled by how much damage you do
so if you sacrifice more of that damage
you lose out on higher results from leech
simple solution is just stop being brain dead and forget leech
analog zinc
each stack of 8% leech is about a 4.6k dps loss
i'm absolutely gonna meme the shit outta leech
undone sun
do it on your own time
analog zinc
get 40% & run dungeons & do 4dps
undone sun
dont bother others with it then
deft vessel
fellow prot warriors, what combination of two would you advise me to wear?
deft vessel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
I'd go with thornwoven and overseer's probably
deft vessel
one was a weekly box
I'm using the tornwoven/overseer myself
I feel like i value vers/mastery/haste more than I do crit, even though I mostly do M+, in which crit is supposedly better
warm plinth
Well tbh the reason I'd use overseer rather than seal is because Seal has mastery as its main stat which is kinda meh
Whereas the other is light on mastery
deft vessel
I thought mastery is relatively valuable on prot, but yeah, I think I agree with you regardless
left hatch
it gets devauled pretty hard with 3xBoM
since you get a ginormous amount of it with ~60% uptime
warm plinth
Yep
inland mesa
2 Uf or 1 uf 1 op?
warm plinth
Mastery isn't that great of a stat; we want Bastion because it's a fuckton of mastery when we already have a damage buff. The amount and the guarantee that it's during a damage buff is why it's good. That, and we get crit block from it so it turns Avatar into a pseudo-defensive CD as well as a damage CD
I'd go with 1 and 1
left hatch
i wouldn't say its not great of astat
critical block is pretty op
since irrc it doesn't suffer from DR
but we also get more from haste
warm plinth
Relative to our other stats, it's meh
left hatch
more out of haste*
warm plinth
It's not garbage (none of the stats are). It's just not something we prioritize
warm plinth
I know next to nothing about other tanks tbh. I have a prot pally but they're fairly similar to us: ilevel>haste
I have max levels of the rest of the classes but haven't touched them
deft vessel
UF?
distant crystal
unstable flames
deft vessel
ah
inland mesa
Ya do I want to stack 3 of those or 2 and 1 overwhelming power lol
deft vessel
I'd go with 1 overwhelming power (haste proc right?)
though I'm not too convinced of its functionality for a tank
probably diminishes quite a bit of its value since you lose stacks when getting hit
left hatch
op rn is our best trait
empty nacelle
wdym op is amazing
left hatch
theres an internal cd for how often you lose stacks
deft vessel
ah, good to know
left hatch
that being said it is being minorly nerfed
warm plinth
You can only lose 2 stacks per second, 1 from the decay, 1 from being hit
left hatch
UF might pull ahead next week
distant crystal
OP will probably still be best next week
deft vessel
I have defensive ones, not really confident on azerite choice as of yet
distant crystal
right now OP is pretty much the best for every spec
unless you really hate haste
warm plinth
Yeah, you'll get like 15% less uptime on it but it's still going to be great
distant crystal
if you're a haste stacker, OP is gonna still be top notch
left hatch
the defensive ones are lackluster
oblique garnet
UF for m+ is better than OP for pwars
left hatch
Ablative/Crystalline are meh
deft vessel
I don't even know what the normal stats are, I have 11.26% crit, 18.88% haste (with 93 haste food), 27.71% mastery and 18.62% / 9.31% vers
warm plinth
When was Late orange? Isn't SF yellow? 🤔
deft vessel
well my crystalline carapace piece has no good alternatives, though I can swap ablative shielding for the crit proc
warm plinth
Holy actual fuck that's a lot of vers
distant crystal
that's a little more thann my rogue
warm plinth
You have more vers than my Dh and that's my main secondary 😂
left hatch
'no good a lternatives' is subjective. the flat stats are better, OP and UF are better
left hatch
basically a nything but azerite globules is better
deft vessel
earthlink/gutripper strike me as meh as well, so it's all equally meh, no? xD
left hatch
fair
distant crystal
gutripper slaps
left hatch
gutripper not awful
distant crystal
earthlink is eh
oblique garnet
Also @lusty grotto you tagged?
deft vessel
earthlink better than elemental whirl or no?
most things I read said earthlink is better
deft vessel
maybe easier to show what I have like this
left hatch
Whirl instead EL on helm
left hatch
Revenge instead of BS, UF instead of Ablative on shoulders
Blightborne on chest
and yah gutripper o nchest
fuck vampiric speed on chest too
deft vessel
i like the shout damage reduction thing xD ¯_(ツ)_/¯
left hatch
unless you're using shout on CD for the absorb, that inner ring is worthless
ruby nexus
which embrace of loa should i use on zandalari for m+
left hatch
and that takes away shout as an extra pacni cc/interrupt
distant crystal
idk i kinda like the shout trait
deft vessel
so this is the recommendation
distant crystal
if i'm running it i just use shout before shockwave for pseudointerrupt
but vampiric is better
deft vessel
yeah, I like it as well, though I'm not sure I'm a very good judge of how good it is, I'm new to prot
left hatch
yeh thats the way to do it
distant crystal
ditch bulwark on shoulders
bulwark kinda sucks
it seems like it should be good on paper but it always does abysmal healing when i've run it
left hatch
i heard scuttlebutt about it not proccing properly
deft vessel
should I seriously swap away my one instance of bloodsport?
distant crystal
yes
left hatch
bloodsport is terrible
distant crystal
bloodsport sux
deft vessel
oh xD i thought it's better, nvm, ignore me
I like the revenge trait better anyway
and then blightborne instead of revenge
deft vessel
yeah, that seems like a ton of stats
left hatch
only reason its not as soght after as meticulous scheming is no piece in game has BoM with it
deft vessel
alright, respecced
if I need more defense, in some scenario, would the defensive ones be better at all?
left hatch
no
warm plinth
No
deft vessel
I haven't played any non-dps since emerald nightmare (where I play a disc priest), so I'm used to utilizing simulations to judge things, don't trust them as much on prot for obvious reasons, so yeah xD
distant crystal
the best defense is a good offense >:D
left hatch
sims on prot are exclusively for damage
and damage is always a consideration no matter the content
can help you make tight dps checks in raid, and for obvious reasons in M+
distant crystal
the place to get defensive value is trinkets
deft vessel
no I get that, but I feel like I can't adequately judge my defensive needs (which are still important)
left hatch
and play better*
distant crystal
edict and urchin are very good defensively
deft vessel
I still have a 400 trinket
distant crystal
the "defensive" traits not so much
deft vessel
distant crystal
although BFI/IF are decent
deft vessel
grumble grumble
distant crystal
especially if you have a lower ilvl shield
deft vessel
I haven't really found anything better
even bonus rolled on that nazjatar boss for the trinket, nope, didn't drop
left hatch
well no point now, but when s4 starts spam run AD and WM
have some dps buds help you roll for them
and thatll have you set for most of the season
deft vessel
I suppose
oblique garnet
🙂
warm plinth
Look at that garbage
tidal sleet
God I wish I had that block
oblique garnet
I also have a 455 rezans 🙂
sick sentinel
You make me sick
oblique garnet
And i dont even play warrior anymore 🙂
oblique garnet
I have sockets on every piece except weapons 
warm plinth
Must be a rough life
oblique garnet
You get the loot you deserve 😉
lusty grotto
why are you blue late
wind garden
No one touching his balls
scarlet basalt
He’s Valkyr?
chilly brook
So
tame garden
Dad
scarlet basalt
Idk lol
chilly brook
I clear off my table and wipe everything down
Bring down my keyboard and mouse and my monitor
And start putting components out
scarlet basalt
chilly brook
And then realize the only thing I forgot to grab was a regular display port cable
Because I don't own one fuuuuuuu
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto Have you not heard the song ”Im blue” 8)
lusty grotto
smh
winged grail
@left hatch Thanks!
left hatch
np
craggy harness
Is rank 1 conflict and strife still recommended for more dps in raid?
near ivy
for dps, sim
zealous ore
😦
analog zinc
@zealous ore Vision major is your go-to, Conflict major (rank 3 only) is good for kiting, I might take it on necrotic week for example
Minors, you want Strife, Lucid, Aegis, Null
craggy harness
ty... still not used to the idea of sims available after the year off
analog zinc
eh i wouldn't fuck with double on use
near ivy
thats only 1 on use
analog zinc
?
deft vessel
only one on use ?
analog zinc
cyclo
near ivy
deft vessel
not running cyclo (who does nowadays?)
near ivy
cyclo got buffed ye
analog zinc
oh you're using a diff red card
near ivy
5head
deft vessel
do people actually run cyclo? O_O
analog zinc
yeah its bis for dps
analog zinc
not good in m+ tho cuz you cant block during it
deft vessel
I think it's just not good since its last nerf
analog zinc
but it does mondo damage in raid
deft vessel
either way, replace eye?
analog zinc
i guess
with vial you have to use it with both avatar & demo up
otherwise you're losing a ton of value
deft vessel
makes sense
vagrant bluff
Howdy team new to prot, likely a noob question been rdps forever... having dramas with the zul type add before last boss on KR the thing just trucks me, any feedback on how to manage this add? It’s pumps me every time
left hatch
hero, externals, spam IP/SR, worst case scenario taunt and book it
and pray your dps and healer are good
analog zinc
that's to be expected, shadow of zul fucks every tank & it fucks prot arguably the hardest, the only real advice is to go into it with all your CDs, rotate them as long as you can, take all the externals you can get
on higher keys, you should lust it
make sure not to overlap IPs
vagrant bluff
Appreciate it guys cheers
lunar jackal
is it me or 8.3 essences are like "meh" at least for prot?
sick sentinel
Couple bring decent value. But the real value has to do with corruption so they’ll be used
strong forum
How are essences meh for prot? Prot is one of the tanks that makes the best use of essences
By like miles
left hatch
i think he meant the new 8.3 ones
left hatch
which tbf the 2 tank specifics ones are pretty shit
sick sentinel
cba reading up is there a question
left hatch
someone was asking if essences were gonna be used or not
sick sentinel
the new ones?
left hatch
and its gonna be the shared one... which i think is from raid
woven venture
For shadow of zul, spend all rage on IP not SB. Use shield wall, last stand for heal, etc
winged grail
Rotate your CDs, don't use all at the same time - get in prepared to rotate, think which you'll use first etc
analog zinc
the cheat death essence sounds really good for a couple tanks, mainly DHs
you can chain a raw 45 seconds of meta with that, not running Gluttony either
civic isle
Main essense for m+ prot warrior would be, major VOP, minor null Dino / aegies of deep?
sick sentinel
vop major and then cns/lucid/sphere/aegis/null
sick sentinel
@strong forum you got so hostile because you can't fucking read, that's cute
undone sun
👀
astral crystal
vapid ibex
How do you properly reflect the wicked frenzy/wicked assault debuff in under rot? From the death speaker? I've seen naowh do it but when I tried it still gets put on me? What's the right timing
oblique garnet
When the cast goes off you reflect till you hear the sound
After that you sprint
and the mob dies
mortal brook
its attached to the mob's every auto. so it would need to get purged or you'd need to kite after the 1st reflected hit
sick sentinel
I just wait for the first hit, listen to the reflect sound, then shockwave and book it
vapid ibex
Ah ok what's the sound like? Didn't even notice there's a sound lol
vapid ibex
True. Thnx
wise rivet
hey guys, i have a question about sockets.. some people tell me to always run 2x str sockets (120 + 80) but whenever i see people on stream or whatever they aint running any... how much does these 200str actually change in terms of dmg/armor compared to full haste/crit sockets?
sick sentinel
I just use only the 120 str and not the 80 str socket because I have fury gear mixed in as well
but on paper 120+80 is better
wise rivet
thanks @sick sentinel, i'll give it all a go and see what i feel more comfy with
austere veldt
Hey guys, what are the best azerite traits for prot? maybe 3 Bastion of might, or..?
ionic fern
For what content? M+ 3BoM/1DC/x . X could be MS or IF for example.
austere veldt
Yeah, M+ 😄
autumn pendant
Y
civic isle
So I did somepoking around on the WOW head protection warrior guide and I couldn’t find what I’m looking for. If shield block is a 6 second with a cooldown of 12 sec (haste reduced) u will have a gap in damage mitigation. 2 charges = 12 sec up time with 12 seconds last for cooldown (assuming u blew both right away)
So how u get 100% uptime mitigation for a warrior ?
grim skiff
Last stand grants another shield block for maintaining when needed
Often used for shield block instead of health boost tbh
civic isle
Ya on a 1.5 min cooldown reductions from rage spending
grim skiff
Yeah there isn’t 100% shield block mitigation up time
civic isle
So what’s the answer? Stand there and take the damage with ignore pain or kite ?
M+ I’m talking about
I’m just trying to learn this more. I come from Druid tanking where I have 100% uptime on my main defensive but I’m trying to switch come 8.3
austere veldt
Well, if you use Anger Management talent with Bolster(?) talent, you can use Last Stand more often
sick sentinel
Kite if you have coward written on your forehead
grim skiff
Tbh it’s a mix depending on situation, affixes num of mobs etc.
Sometimes you just won’t have shield block up and rely on IP :p
broken isle
Externals help
warm plinth
@civic isle Last Stand should have approximately a 1 min 15 second CD if you’re performing your rotation properly. There are times in M+ where you can afford to not use Shield Block. On bosses you can sometimes wait a second or two, on trash you can stun and not have to cast it. You can also hold off on casting it if the things you’re fighting are near death, if you think you won’t get trucked. You can also cover gaps with externals or shield wall (which should be up approximately every 2 minutes with proper play). The expected rotation for prolonged damage intake is Shield Block x3, Last Stand, Shield Block x2 and then after that you’d need Wall or an external (or worst case, kite a few seconds)
soft kindle
Tl;dr use your brain and think about each situation
civic isle
@soft kindle using ur brain is not the answer. That’s like saying to a kid who’s trying to learn basic math “use ur brain”
soft kindle
Ignoring the fact that your question is answered in the guides, it's pretty intuitive. Treat every situation differently and think about the damage intake, how long it's going to last, the type of damage, etc
You played a druid you said, so you should already know all that
civic isle
I know to treat every situation differently. And I read the entire M+ guide on prot Warriors. But I didn’t see where it say “how to close ur gaps in mitigation”. Like there might be an answer I didn’t even think of on a warrior. Like what he said above. Stun them is a gap closer. Or I could fear. Or kite. If all else fails
@warm plinth thank u. That actually answers my question
soft kindle
So the exact same as druid
civic isle
@soft kindle no. On my druid I have 100% uptime in my active mitigation. I use my stuns as an offensive interupt or to help the healer catch up on the group
I do not use my stuns for gap closers
soft kindle
Same thing different name
soft kindle
You kite when what, the damage is too high, you run out of mitigation tools or ways to sustain
So say, when you're out defensives and fr charges
Same as warrior. Just change the names of the abilities
civic isle
Yes, but the point of talking in here is because I’m a noob on the warrior and I’m trying to learn
So if I can’t figure it out, I’m gonna ask. And “use ur brain “ is not the answe
soft kindle
Ok
civic isle
Thank u tho. I honestly want to surpass my druid I’m into the 19 bracket on the Druid and I just can’t seem to plus 20s. So I’m thinking maybe the warrior can help give that at vantage
soft kindle
Druid is totally capable of doing higher than 19 keys
strong forum
M+ is all about playing the dungeon not the class
Only in push keys classes start to matter
grim skiff
What’s point of doing >10 if not trying to push the key
strong forum
Residuum and anything below 17 being too easy to be fun
Unless you're memeing
That's my reasoning
soft kindle
Farming gear too
grim skiff
But wouldn’t you always be trying to meet timer, I dunno 🤷♂️
Meeting the timer and doing the next one is appealing to me
strong forum
No cuz at some point you ( I) focus too hard on timing the key instead of having fun
Creating stupid amount of pressure
For no gain
Whatsoever
soft kindle
Dunno about no gain
strong forum
There's no real thing connected with pushing giga keys besides a 3rd party website e-peen
soft kindle
You do objectively get more gear from higher keys
And value can be subjective or individual, to some it's worth it 🤷♂️
strong forum
Isnt it capped at 20 anyway
near ivy
no
strong forum
That I know but I always thought it was capped at 15 with some bullshit leeway to 20
soft kindle
Negatory
And as you stated, there's chalk
Although even imo going above 20 isn't really something to worry about for most
15 for most
near ivy
Id
lucid dew
is crucible of flame still going to be the best single target dps major essence nexxt patch?
strong forum
Yes
civic isle
@strong forum we push keys because of the challenge and the reward of getting better as a team. Pushing 20 keys is just as hard as mythic raiding in some regard but easier to manager 5 ppl than 20
lucid dew
raidining gives better rewards though sadly
civic isle
It’s only going to be slightly better in terms of I lvl. Trinket and what not will be better ya.
But if u get a 15 piece that has good kids curse stats. It wil be easier to farm ur kids curse gear on 15s than raiding
daring bay
i say, personal difficulty wise. A 20 is harden then mythic
strong forum
Way harder
daring bay
Mythic raiding*
daring bay
:P
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near ivy
is this #promotion
viral lion
Hello everyone
Question, I get to 23 stacks on boralus dummy. I am 405 protection, is it any good?
warm plinth
That is a very pointless metric.
ionic fern
^.
Tanking dummy does not simulate a real world scenario mostly. at all.
I haven't really tested how many stacks i can take on it even. o.o
It's just "Can you press SB at the right time?"
Are you new to tanking @viral lion ? Maybe we can help you out some other way ? 🙂
viral lion
I always played dps and was quite afraid to tank. Protwar is too much apm, but yesterday I tried to tank and did a mythic +6 in time, so that is something. Now I am interested in tanking
ionic fern
Welcome to tanking then. : )
viral lion
I am looking how to boil down the many spells. It seems too busy
analog swift
It is
warm plinth
No
warm plinth
You shouldn't be spamming Revenge whenever it's available or you're going to not have rage for Shield Block or Ignore Pain when you need it.
There will be times when you're able to go a while without pressing it, but unless you're spamming Revenge constantly, you should have times where you're out of things to cast.
Remember that Ignore Pain and Shield Block are off the global cooldown, which means other abilities can be pressed at the same time.
viral lion
hm
that is new
is it okay to take the Devastator talent, so I dont have to worry about Devastate legally?
warm plinth
In raid situations where it's pure single target, sure. In M+, definitely not.
analog zinc
devastator is better for single target dps, its a slight defensive loss & MUCH worse in aoe
also training dummy stacks mean nothing. I took it to 120 stacks on my demon hunter, does that mean DHs are 6x better than pwars?
viral lion
how do you calculate much worce in aoe?
analog zinc
sims mostly
viral lion
damage wise?
warm plinth
Even ignoring sims, Devastator doesn't do anything in AoE.
analog zinc
demo shout is an aoe dps increase, vs devastator which is purely single target
viral lion
oh
analog zinc
i also feel like devastator trains you to play the spec worse, when you run booming voice like you do in most forms of content, you want to use Demo on cooldown, but you end up holding it & wasting uses when you play deva
analog zinc
extremely
viral lion
damn
warm plinth
Yeah, we can do some honestly broken shit with SR lol
viral lion
so many buttons
warm plinth
What DPS did you play?
viral lion
arms and shadow
warm plinth
I mean...we're the highest APM spec. There are a lot of specs that press less buttons than we do (or at least, don't press them as often)
analog zinc
idk why but my bars are so damn bloated as arms
ionic fern
This is the overall damage taken by Adderis (first Temple boss). As you can see..Spell Reflect is his 2nd most damage taken from. 🙂
analog zinc
mainly cuz 1 & 2 are taken up by charge & leap, as well as V being victory rush
that's 3/8 of my main buttons taken up
viral lion
@analog zinc try shift+space for a leap, this one is convenient
warm plinth
You can also prevent a ton of damage with SR in some situations, e.g. if you aoe stun attendants in Shrine, you can reflect multiple casts (assuming they hit at the same time) of Water Blast, which is huge on high keys
warm plinth
Basically any time you're taking magic damage, it's worth pressing, even if it's not reflectable.
analog zinc
warm plinth
[insert crack about having Vision bound]
viral lion
@ionic fern goddamn
ionic fern
It's just active essences tbh. 😂
analog zinc
^
warm plinth
I know, but had to say something 😂
analog zinc
😂
warm plinth
idk I mean, my bars look like that (except way more segregated) on every toon though.
It's not a prot war specific thing
Like I have uh...36-40 bindings I think? And that's on a havoc DH
warm plinth
Ah yeah didn't think about Opie tbh lol. That adds a couple XD
left hatch
the higher up in content ou go (specifically dungeons) the less 'useless' things become
viral lion
6 buttons are easy to press
left hatch
to the point where basically every spell has some niche use
viral lion
others are not
warm plinth
I was legit about to ask how the fuck you press Y and H, then noticed you had your movement keys moved over lol
mental scarab
Who use 1-6 on keyboard when you have mouse 👀
left hatch
and you have more than enough keybinds, just shift/ctr bind to your red keys
warm plinth
I have a 12 button mouse and I still use 1-6
left hatch
^
mental scarab
Weirdos
warm plinth
Well technically it's like a 15 button mouse or some shit
I can't do my main rotation on a mouse; feels too fuckin weird
viral lion
so the idea is, protwar has too many "critical" buttons to fit into a layout where only 6 are easy to reach
viral lion
I am afraid of that
warm plinth
I don't use modifiers much and I still don't think there are too many lol
left hatch
i was hesitant to modifyers till start of legion
swapped, and never looked back
takes maybe a few hours of gameplay to muslce memory it
viral lion
modifiers are easy to mess up dont it?
warm plinth
How so?
viral lion
well you have like Y, shift+Y, crtl+Y, alt+Y
and then you have to quickly press something you need
warm plinth
I mean, tbh using modifiers for you is probably going to be obnoxious because you have everything moved over for some weird ass reason
viral lion
lolz
left hatch
well he could just like Z instead of shift
and alt in place of alt
but even with things being Back to Back never had an issue moving my pinky
warm plinth
How could he use a letter in place of a modifier?
left hatch
you can trick your keyboard into characters being modifiers
warm plinth
Unless he straight up rebinds the key in his software, but then he can't use Z to type with
left hatch
psh who uses z anymore
viral lion
you can even trick your keyboard into pressing mouse
left hatch
thats so 2010's
warm plinth
I still have it bound to sheathe/unsheathe tbh lol
warm plinth
Yep
viral lion
oh my
left hatch
but the other thing that helps me with modifiers is binding similar things to the same key
warm plinth
are my bindings (most of my toons aren't clumped up like this but haven't found a WA suite I like on my war yet)
warm plinth
Yeah, x is the default to sit
left hatch
like offensive cds (Shout, Ava, Trinket) are all on R
defensives on E
active mit and taunt always go on mouse buttons
interrupts/stuns on F
but yah bindings are SUPER personal and theres no right answer
but theres def easy access to more than 6 keys
warm plinth
Yep. If it works for you, it works for you
left hatch
just gotta practice and your hands will adapt
warm plinth
I'm assuming you don't have a mouse with extra buttons Fable?
I may have a suggestion, if that's the case.
chilly brook
If you don't have a mouse with multiple buttons then honestly modifiers are your best friend
viral lion
with WASD your easy to reach (with your index) buttons are 3,E,R,F. Dont see important spells there
ripe maple
How is it possible to use bind at f9?
chilly brook
I have qerfxcv123456 bound with some shift modifiers and the rest are my mouse
left hatch
maybe its cause i played piano but with WASD 1-6, over to H and T are all super easy to hit
with movement on WASD
viral lion
@warm plinth rotation with index is so chill
ripe maple
Shout at “8” also?
left hatch
i lot of the time i only use middle and ring finger for movement
chilly brook
You probably shouldn't just use your index finger
warm plinth
The 12 buttons on the right are all mouse buttons
chilly brook
- I'm sure it's worse for your wrist health
- its definitely slower than using multiple fingers
warm plinth
The buttons on the left are F1-F4 and then the extra 5 buttons on the left of my keyboard (except the bottom row)
left hatch
and like tbh IDK of any tank (or class for that matter) that can get by with just 6 keys
viral lion
@chilly brook what speed are talking about with 1,5 sec GCD
left hatch
esp with how important "non critical" utlility can become in high keys
warm plinth
1.5 sec BASE GCD
chilly brook
Not everything is on the gcd
warm plinth
With ITF you should be pretty close to 1 sec GCD
chilly brook
Several prot specific important abilities are off the gcd
left hatch
namely defensives , active mit and taunt
chilly brook
Shield block, IP, last stand, shield wall, taunt, interrupt
left hatch
which are all things you NEED to be able to hit instantly
viral lion
@warm plinth this 1sec GCD stuff is scary
chilly brook
Spell refiect
ripe maple
Even if at gcd, at some point you don’t click spells which are bound somewhere far away coz u will be just lazy
warm plinth
I mean, shadow priest and arms both have shorter than 1.5 sec too with haste
left hatch
yah.. and both are classes you get a lot of haste for
warm plinth
Shadow priest is understandably a bit slower since you actually hard cast spells with them
viral lion
@warm plinth yeah but more methodical and none are of GCD
chilly brook
Intercept is also off the gcd
chilly brook
Oof
viral lion
low haste
chilly brook
No
viral lion
without into the fray
chilly brook
No
viral lion
damn 😄
left hatch
if you're worried about speed of GCD
chilly brook
Idk why you're worried about it
left hatch
then monk might be up your ally
they have a locked GCD
and their rotation is kinda fluid
so you don't think about it much
warm plinth
Yeah, monks are pretty consistent and locked. They have a couple things off GCD but you're not spamming them.
chilly brook
Just bind an ability and test it out for a bit
left hatch
^ only way to fix that is to rebind your stuff and jump in
chilly brook
If you don't like it there try another placement
left hatch
you'll get used to it and adapt
warm plinth
Bear probably isn't too bad either, and other than their active mitigation I don't think they have anything off GCD
left hatch
way faster too
idk who the person talking about prefering to click cause bound abilities are 'too far and they get lazy'
but bindings make something muscle memory to hit
clicking means having to find it on spellbar, drag mouse too etc
the reaction time difference is massive
viral lion
@left hatch you mean back to WASD and use shift, ctrl?
chilly brook
@warm plinth I find bear to be pretty fast paced tbh
left hatch
not necesarily, if yo'ure sold on your weird movement keys then you can find ways to work
warm plinth
Yeah but you're not hitting a huge amount of different abilities; that's all I meant
warm plinth
constantly anyway
ripe maple
I mean u can bind everything around wasd using modifiers instead of binding somewhere at button 8
chilly brook
Vision procs and you're just thrashing lmao
viral lion
I got 19 spells binded
warm plinth
Yeah, and you cast Swipe a lot in AoE
warm plinth
Yeah I didn't bind anything to 8 😂
viral lion
but 80 apm off GCD is some sick play
warm plinth
6 is the farthest button I press that's actually a number key
chilly brook
Vision proc with thrash and earthwarden is pretty nutty
warm plinth
Everything past that is a mouse button
chilly brook
Same I actually hit 6 with my pinky
warm plinth
Wait what
primal crypt
ripe maple
Then he has half buttons bound to mouse which is also kinda strange
left hatch
not really
chilly brook
Cuz I use a keypad that only has 5 keys in a row
warm plinth
The fuck you mean you hit 6 with your pinky
left hatch
esp if you come from a caster or healer
left hatch
most of them have their entire rotation bound to mouse lol
oblique garnet
@warm plinth I mean you arent really hitting many different abilities on warrior either
oblique garnet
🤷♀️
left hatch
i think TLDR is APM isn't something that should be scary
ripe maple
Idk i think it’s bad for maneuvering
warm plinth
What is?
chilly brook
Bear and warrior are pretty similar in their rotation
ripe maple
If u hit a dummy it’s ok
warm plinth
What's bad for maneuvering?
ripe maple
Binding half to mouse
left hatch
what does that have to do
warm plinth
Er, why?
chilly brook
Mangle is kinda like shield slam, thrash is TC, swipe is deva
warm plinth
I don't move with my mouse except to turn. 99% of the time you're either going forward or strafing.
ripe maple
I use mouse for turning
left hatch
i use my right click and drag to move camera
but its never once gotten in way
of thumb mouse keys
warm plinth
I could see it being weird for you if you're a claw grip player. But I'm not.
ripe maple
So how u keep right click of mouse and hit buttons with the same finger
warm plinth
You use your thumb to click the buttons, not your finger
left hatch
mouse buttons are on your thumb side
left hatch
how do you hit mouse buttons with your middle finger
ripe maple
U have 8 buttons under thumb?
left hatch
thats like next level grip
chilly brook
Hahahaa
warm plinth
I have 12 under my thumb
left hatch
yes lol
chilly brook
I have 12 buttons on my thumb
analog zinc
i use my mouse left handed, so my 2 mouse buttons are all on my pinky finger
left hatch
majority of gaming mice have 12+ buttons under thumb
ripe maple
Is that a mouse or keyboard with a laser above?
warm plinth
City why are you one of the weird lefties. Be normal like me and stop using your mouse with the wrong hand, ya weirdo
chilly brook
It's a mouse
viral lion
so guys if I hear you correctly
ripe maple
Idk i have my rog one with 2 buttons for me is ok
left hatch
You can pick up a logitech with some thumb buttons that isn't amazing but has longevity
analog zinc
i'm actually right handed
left hatch
for cheap
analog zinc
i use a left handed mouse because it frees up more of the keyboard
warm plinth
Then you're even more of a weirdo
warm plinth
I'm judging you so hard right now
left hatch
Every tank has many buttons
ripe maple
1 for voice, another one for stopcast ba
analog zinc
left hand mouses are optimal
ripe maple
Bs
analog zinc
not even joking
left hatch
if you want to do high content
your break point was 6 buttons, no tank in the game only uses 6 buttons
stoic pilot
Left handed gamers 
left hatch
and the slowest you'll get is probably bear or monk
warm plinth
@ripe maple This is what my mouse looks like
viral lion
@left hatch buttons other than quick 6 are fine for cooldowns and stuff
warm plinth
Meekuh I am a left-handed gamer but I use everything with the correct hand lol
ripe maple
Wtf it is a telephone on the left hahaha
warm plinth
I'm not one of those weirdo arrow key bois
left hatch
i mean warrior only has 4 'rotation' cds
stoic pilot
The correct hand is your left hand 🙂
left hatch
er abilities
warm plinth
It's not as hard as you'd tihnk Rainy. It's basically two sets of 6 buttons that curve in to a center point; very easy to identify them.
left hatch
it looks like a mouse lol
stoic pilot
You get super used to it after like a week
warm plinth
I thought it was going to be silly but I have no trouble hitting any of them after getting used to it.
stoic pilot
From what I’ve heard
warm plinth
Yeah I had the original razer naga hex before and was like man idk how these people have 12 buttons and actually use them
ripe maple
Anyway I’m already used to click everything also with shift and alt modifiers
stoic pilot
I’ve never swapped because I cba rebinding to mouse stuff
warm plinth
Like, clicking is really the only inexcusable setup. It is factually, objectively, 100% making you a worse player.
left hatch
thats a great way to teach ppl to be bad
your reaction time clicking is quantifiably slower
warm plinth
Even people who are great while clicking would be better if they didn't.
ripe maple
I have 38 binds, only 4 on mouse
warm plinth
Oh I thought you meant like...you're clicking the spell button
left hatch
^
warm plinth
Pressing a mouse button to cast something isn't clicking
stoic pilot
I think the only thing I don’t have bound is invis pots
ripe maple
wtf no ofc
warm plinth
Okay you had me worried
left hatch
thats what 'clicking' usually means
analog zinc
you can do optimal dps while clicking & move perfectly well, but you can't do both
left hatch
is clicking it right on spellbar with left click
warm plinth
Yeah I don't have invis pot bound either, but pretty much everything else is XD
ripe maple
But i never said this word
warm plinth
left hatch
"im already used to click everything"
ripe maple
Oh true
left hatch
we don't have a heathen in our midst
stoic pilot
I want to bind it but my god
viral lion
I see 11 quick use abilities for prot guys
left hatch
can put the pitchforks away
stoic pilot
I’ve already got 4 pots bound
ripe maple
I mean on keyboard using fingers
Nah i also don’t have invis pot bound, but mount i do
left hatch
Eww Anima Major
warm plinth
I don't consider something with a decently long CD as "quick use"
left hatch
Heroic Throw i wouldn't call quick use either
viral lion
so shout is off
left hatch
you use it to pull sometimes
warm plinth
Like you only use Avatar every 45 seconds, you only use Last Stand every ~75 seconds
You only use Rallying Cry every 3 mins or whatever, if that
stoic pilot
And tbf
warm plinth
You don't use Anima at all
stoic pilot
If you run stuff like vop
warm plinth
Because you shouldn't be using Anima
left hatch
Intercept probably has more use than Throw tbh
stoic pilot
That’s another free bind
ripe maple
Anyway binding all this shit improves your gameplay
stoic pilot
Unless you use crucible often
analog zinc
intercept is part of your normal rotation
warm plinth
Yeah I 100% cast intercept more than heroic throw
left hatch
^ get a massover macro for intercept so you can use it on teamates during bosses
for extra rage
op
stoic pilot
I don’t ;_;
analog zinc
you want to keep intercept on cooldown for the 15 extra rage
ripe maple
If u bind heroic throw u can easily pull additional mobs without wasting time, and not like standing as a dummy- firstly to target enemy, then move mouse to throw, then click
stoic pilot
Yeah the only situations I really use it are for if I’m pulling far away
Like last boss freehold
warm plinth
Plus you can actually hold off enchanteds really well if you use Crackling Thunder (during Avatar)
warm plinth
Yeah we weren't saying you shouldn't have it bound or anything
ripe maple
As i said
warm plinth
Just that it's not really something you have to think about a lot
left hatch
just defining what "quick use" would be
warm plinth
Right
ripe maple
I have 38 binds almost without mouse, and still can bind pota
Pots
So u just make combinations
warm plinth
Yeah no one was saying you needed a mouse. But he's worried about having more than 6 buttons
stoic pilot
I don’t really have any comfortable binds for it though and I don’t really want to use control modifiers I don’t think
left hatch
well not everyone has weird SPIDER hands like you Rain 😡
jk jk
yah theres plenty of solutions to bind a fuckload of shit
stoic pilot
Since I have a bunch of random shit bound
ripe maple
And one more bind - focus target, forgot it
stoic pilot
Like those explosive engineer bombs
left hatch
and its just a blanace of finding whats comfortable for you, and training your hands to get used to it
ripe maple
Xd
Well when u bind then first week u play like an idiot
Then you play like a spider
left hatch
yah it feels really slick having everything bound
clicking actually feels fucking awful
warm plinth
What I used to do when I only had a cheapy walmart mouse
Is I bound the two extra buttons (think they were like back/forward by default) to ctrl and alt
So I used modifiers but without the awkward modifier pressing
stoic pilot
That’s actually pretty smart I didn’t think of that
Maybe I’ll do that for my potions
warm plinth
Since shift is the only modifier I like to press on the keyboard lol
stoic pilot
Cuz I’ve got 2 left buttons on mouse that I literally use for nothing
warm plinth
My favorite button on my mouse is actually the one that sits kinda under my ring finger
It's like a third big mouse button. I use it for my extra action button (so like for firing heavy ordnance on 2nd boss of Siege and shit)
left hatch
i think people are forgetting the sole most important keybind in the game
Push to Talk
cause if you arn't in a guild that requires PTT
ripe maple
Alt+1/2/3 are easy to press
left hatch
god help your soul
stoic pilot
My PTT isn’t the tilde key
ripe maple
Except shift
stoic pilot
Is*
left hatch
thats ok, i click my pots
warm plinth
I click drums too actually but my groupies use them more than I do
stoic pilot
Alt 6 is my drums keybind
warm plinth
Also I use tilde for auto run
grim skiff
I use them 4 times a night if I’m unlucky haha
grim skiff
I don’t think my fingers could press alt 6
stoic pilot
I’m left handed
grim skiff
Def not fasting that clicking
ripe maple
True
stoic pilot
So right hand is on keyboard
oblique garnet
@warm plinth you use anima in islands 😦
grim skiff
Small hands :.(
oblique garnet
Yeah thats the only proper place for warriors to use it
warm plinth
That's why Vision is bound in my screenshot as well
Because of anima
Meekuh you're a freak
Ily but you are
stoic pilot
Lmao
warm plinth
Making us left handers look weird
stoic pilot
Dude I had no money has a teen
And there were no cheap left handed gaming nice
Mice
ripe maple
So you swap mouse to left hand?
warm plinth
Some lefties do, yeah
ripe maple
Man but when u drive a car
stoic pilot
Yeah my left hand on mouse, right hand on keyboard
ripe maple
U cant swap anything
warm plinth
It's really not the same thing
Certain things you're just used to doing right-handed
ripe maple
Oh okay
stoic pilot
My right hand is dominant for a lot of irl activities
Like throwing a baseball or football
warm plinth
Like to this day I use scissors right-handed because left-handed scissors were never available when I was a kid
left hatch
yah.... thats like saying Righties can't drive properly in the UK
you jsut get used to it
stoic pilot
But for most like precision stuff like writing and stuff my left hand is omega preference
left hatch
its not like changing the radio/using turn signals requires super coordination
warm plinth
Yeah like I would imagine a lot of lefties can throw a baseball decently well with their right hand (at least, if they played as a kid) because left-handed gloves are fuckin expensive
stoic pilot
Yeah that’s true
warm plinth
But, in the computer world, it's been a little different because even when computers were first really mainstream, "neutral" handed mice were available
warm plinth
Like even in Windows 3.1 I'm pretty sure you could swap the mouse buttons around
stoic pilot
That’s what I use is just a neutral mouse and 99% of my stuff is bound to kb
warm plinth
I am quite glad that I just always used my right hand though because playing a MMO left-handed sounds tedious lol
They do have pretty widely available lefty gaming mice now though
stoic pilot
I remember when gaming mice became popular I wanted to try them but there were like.. none available
For left handed
warm plinth
Pretty sure Razer and SteelSeries both make them
stoic pilot
I remember razer didn’t back then
Or maybe they did but only like 4 buttons?
This was like back in wrath
warm plinth
Yeah it might even be that way now, idk. I haven't looked into it; just saw an article about them the other day
stoic pilot
I haven’t really had any issues outside of just being picky tbh like I mentioned earlier with potion binds
Just odd having unbridled, normal strength and then needing proximity too
In addition to light foot and hp pot
warm plinth
I think even if you clicked combat pots, that's not a huge efficiency loss anyway. I just do because why not, since I have the button available
Proximity is my one kinda awkward keybind lol. My unbridled pots are F1, and proximity is shift-F1
stoic pilot
I was thinking of changing my f1-f4 binds
Since everyone uses auto marker now anyways
(Those are my target marker binds)
warm plinth
I just click them or use my Opie ring if I remember it
But I'm not tanking usually so if I'm marking, it's because my tank forgot to
So I don't really need them super accessible
stoic pilot
Yeah that’s fair
warm plinth
I have a bar btw, I'm not right-clicking the target to do it
stoic pilot
Yeah I’ve seen opie
I tried setting it up but I was too Pepega and gave up
I was gonna get rid of my mount binds and just use opie
warm plinth
There's a default raid marker ring but idk the normal binding since I've changed it
Mounts are the only thing I consistently use it for
Just have like my preferred flying mount, my passenger mount, my water mount, and my favorite mount button for keys (which has a bunch of ground mounts)
stoic pilot
Yeah I’ll have to mess around with it again, it seemed neat
warm plinth
It was odd to get used to but now that I'm used to it, I couldn't go back to keybinding my mount lol
warm plinth
Especially since I'm used to quick access to the different types now. Like I never used my fathom dweller in the water before because it was too inconvenient
But now it's easy
chilly brook
I think I have my "tanking" ring bound to shift f
stoic pilot
So you basically set up specific rings and use key press to toggle it and then mouse to aim towards the thing you want right?
warm plinth
Yep
And you can also set it up so that if you want something super quick, you can make it default to that if you just hit the binding and don't move your mouse
so it works basically like a normal keybinding if you don't move your mouse
stoic pilot
Hmm maybe I just replace my mount bind with a ring with what griff has in addition to a couple mounts
chilly brook
It's a really nice addon
It was awesome in legion also being able to use it to swap gear sets
I did that a lot
But hey
warm plinth
Yeah that's when I first saw it but I never really did keys high enough or hard enough to need to change gear, so I never used it til BFA
chilly brook
Blizz didn't like fun
I didn't do high enough keys to need to but I liked being able to 🙁
warm plinth
I'd like to see gear swapping come back in SL
chilly brook
Samw
stoic pilot
I had to many binds for gear swaps lol
chilly brook
Same*
chilly brook
I just added my gear sets to my tank ring
But I really don't think limiting gear sets made the experience any better or made keys any harder
It just limited player choice
stoic pilot
^
warm plinth
Nah it's more of like...why not allow it?
warm plinth
As long as they aren't designing dungeon encounters to require it, then there's no issue.
stoic pilot
Just more inconvenient now
chilly brook
That's what I'm saying though you weren't really at a huge disadvantage to not gear swap
warm plinth
Like I'd be upset with it if I needed like that fuckin titanguard trinket for a boss mechanic as a DPS
chilly brook
But if you wanted to push the most out of your toon you could
warm plinth
I didn't even get the feeling that the general public cared about it, so not sure what actually caused them to want it removed
warm plinth
I mean, that shit never happened to me but I guess it's possible. I did see a guy get removed from a group for being feral a month or so ago, so I'm sure it happened to some people lol.
chilly brook
Regardless I don't think it's a good reason but imo it just was behavior they didn't like and came up with a bs justification for it like removing master loot from guilds
warm plinth
Yeah I guess it's whatever. Doesn't affect me either way.
chilly brook
Truuueeee
warm plinth
I have inkpod and folly on my DH because I got hella lucky in a boost I bought, but that's it lol
chilly brook
You bought a boost grody
warm plinth
Can't be bothered to PUG, plus you get people feeding you shit in a boost. I paid for it with gold I made from boosting anyway so
deft vessel
Seeking some azerite reccommendations again
I have 1 deafening crash on another piece
and I have another brace for impact on another piece as well
warm plinth
I'd go with the bottom one; not 100% sure what that trait is on the 2nd ring for that one though
But Bastion+OP wins easily against BfI/Gutripper
deft vessel
warm plinth
Oh, that instead of CR for sure
deft vessel
seems strong
chilly brook
@warm plinth I thought you meant a character boost lmao
warm plinth
Oh lol, nah
Just bought heroic for my DH so I could get a folly and inkpod since I didn't wanna be bothered
chilly brook
Tbh I could really care less what people do with their gold or their money
stoic pilot
I hope the next gold sink mount has a mailbox
Then I’ll be set with my longboi and a mailbox
warm plinth
Just get the little mailbox NPC thing
stoic pilot
Yeah just it being a long cd sucks if I buy a thing before 1 run then realize I need something else the next
I could bug other people for their Katy stampwhistle but I’d just love to have my own solution constantly lol
sick sentinel
be an engineer and have the toy as well
warm plinth
How long is the CD on it anyway
warm plinth
Yeah the Dalaran one is what I was talking about. I don't have it yet to know the CD though
I'm in the middle of the quest atm
deft vessel
dalaran is 3hr cd