also lets not forget apb, S-tier player as well
#protection
lusty grotto
coarse bay
untold lark
hello
if i wanted to funnel into boss and ran around to jump down at 6, would they walk down with me or would they take the stairs
and aggro the stair pack
coarse bay
I think if u do it around the pack at the bottom left theyd snap down
Seems to me if u did it where youre thinking they might path, youd have to test it
Id just suggest doing the pack at the stairs personally
Then less time and hassle to get the funnel
untold lark
snap down is teleport instantly to me right
coarse bay
Ya
untold lark
i could in theory kill 6, tell my guys to jump down, mount up, bodypull 8 and speed away to 6 and jump down?
coarse bay
I think it needs to be further down is what im saying
Around where the cracked spot is
untold lark
ok
coarse bay
But u can and should test it before trying it
In a normal or heroic maybe
Or resi i suppose if youre doing this with a team
coarse bay
That does seem pretty neat
Seems like a really nice guy
In s1 tww i tanked for a guy with like 6 viewers
And we bricked
And i got called a troll
Because my warrior was named ibrickurkeys that season
lusty grotto
I think if u do it around the pack at the bottom left theyd snap down
last time i checked the snap was fixed
and the boss resets
@untold lark
so care
if youre copying this route from someone its probably from a key done before Blizzard nerfed the snap
but i could be wrong, i know pull 6 for sure cannot be snapped now
heavy sparrow
Because my warrior was named ibrickurkeys that season
Epic
cerulean tusk
Gg being the hero the low key doers need 
ionic fern
Now there's going to be another post on the forums about how tank damage is OP.
mild river
Now there's going to be another post on the forums about how tank damage is OP.
So true
echo egret
Nexus-point 1st pull : what's the pros and cons of going left vs going center ?
fringe venture
Nexus-point 1st pull : what's the pros and cons of going left vs going center ?
I do left bc of the stacks, IMO doing It makes easier for the healer, prolly the worst pull on the DG. Then I do mid when we are going for last Boss, double pull without BL ofc
echo egret
Going center = fighting 3 with hero and later (on the left) only two wihtout hero
Going left = fighting four defenders and their stacking debuff (with hero) and only 1 later without
Left is better ?
torpid forge
Hello is the 1188 haste rating req to play ITF with our without flask?
lone turret
Noob question, in an oh shit scenario where you have no rage, no IP, low shield block time left + ss and TC on cd, what's the priority here when you're 1 or 2 globals from dying?
ionic fern
Hello is the 1188 haste rating req to play ITF with our without flask?
Don't stress so much about it. You can play ITF without that much haste.
As long as you feel comfortable.
ionic fern
Noob question, in an oh shit scenario where you have no rage, no IP, low shield ...
Shield wall.
Or leap/stun.
naive ravine
That was neat
My first mythic voidspire was with yaargi
hearty terrace
in high keys how much of your damge is Revenge? compard to spening on IP
lunar flare
Noob question, in an oh shit scenario where you have no rage, no IP, low shield ...
Stun and kite/leap, shield wall as said or call for a healer external
Also health pots, the underrated saviour
Go buy like 100 now and keybind them
blazing river
Piercing howl spacing saves lives
sharp gale
I think the automatic reaction for me is shockwave
maiden quiver
in high keys how much of your damge is Revenge? compard to spening on IP
Despite the fact that theyre both rage spenders you shouldn't be comparing your use of revenge to your use of ignore pain. If you're playing correctly they don't actually compete for the same resource. The thing you should be concerned about in terms of Revenge is that you're never pressing it when you have Shield Slam or Thunderclap (or other more useful gcd like Demo) available.
When it comes to revenge and ignore pain there is one very simple rule for each of them. For Revenge it's listed above. For IP, you press it at 70 rage or more, and otherwise you don't think about it. It exists entirely as a gcd free way to dump rage into more VO procs and to smooth damage intake slightly.
broken marsh
Does anyone know why the bleed wasn't getting LOS'ed here? The mage stood on other side of the arch and got hit still.
covert nacelle
Does anyone know why the bleed wasn't getting LOS'ed here? The mage stood on oth...
to my knowledge blizz fixed that
broken marsh
also how tf do you live pull 1 as a prot war in 19/20
frosty mango
also how tf do you live pull 1 as a prot war in 19/20
Spell reflect to reduce magic, kite off shadow absorb
But also just split it
If you’re bricking the key because of the extra 30s there it doesn’t matter anyway, it’s a heinous pull for warriors and splitting it reduces the risk significantly
arctic finch
also how tf do you live pull 1 as a prot war in 19/20
thats the neat part , you dont
coarse bay
Does anyone know why the bleed wasn't getting LOS'ed here? The mage stood on oth...
Ya like artical said that’s fixed, unless it was just fixed the thing you can los now is the circle drop things that knock you
broken marsh
oh, so it is still bis to position the boss there?
coarse bay
If people use it, sure, but it’s also still frequently done without the tech
fathom meteor
im so keen for 3 more months of this
fringe mural
im so keen for 3 more months of this
Of what?
fathom meteor
Of what?
this season is worse than all of shadowlands but yall arent ready for that convo
fringe mural
this season is worse than all of shadowlands but yall arent ready for that convo
okay
jagged pier
first over all green should always be run
second the red ones u can swap
but the increase is like tiny tiny
crisp ocean
first over all green should always be run
can I remove the one next to it?
jagged pier
u can remove what u want
but healing talent does fuck all
and rally aint all that great for m+
tribal wharf
its good on paper but non practical in reality
like the AC the car sales man says will improve your gas milage
broken marsh
this season is worse than all of shadowlands but yall arent ready for that convo
which season in shadowlands
tribal wharf
nothing tops s1 shadowlands for bad
tribal wharf
i hated that red boy affix
just, oh, you have another fat elite to fight, it might kill you, and if you do kill it, aynone alive will get a buff
better plan ll your CDS around this
and be prepared for it to spawn 85% way into to trash of 4 or 5 monsters
truly an awful affix, but they did something interesting at least
but there has been so many negative affixes, i think blizzard hates us the players
crisp ocean
but healing talent does fuck all
wahs tthat
maiden quiver
Does anyone know what unitframe addon this person is using? Im using ElvUI but I dont like that you cant adjust font size for unit frames individually
coarse bay
Does anyone know what unitframe addon this person is using? Im using ElvUI but I...
My assumption would be either elvui or i think its called suf or ssf or something
heavy sparrow
Does anyone know what unitframe addon this person is using? Im using ElvUI but I...
Oh yeah @ivory barn helped me find this unit frame
ivory barn
knotty mantle
Is stance mastery really that useful for keys? I'm seeing it make up 2 - 3% of my overall healing in keys. I understand it's primarily there to protect us from big hits that chunk us, but is there a way to quantify via logs if these procs are meaningful in preventing deaths?
ivory barn
Does anyone know what unitframe addon this person is using? Im using ElvUI but I...
This could be UUF, the forked version of suf (unlikely), or elvui
Lean towards UUF or elvui tho
tribal wharf
stance mastery is yes talent
gpt says its just under 30% dr
thats, not counting armor, versa, and blocked melee
ivory barn
Does anyone know what unitframe addon this person is using? Im using ElvUI but I...
unhalted's Portraits are this, its prolly Elvui
frosty mango
Stance mastery is high value
Because it works in scenarios when it actually matters, read: when you would likely die
The hps measure is irrelevant because most of your hps in a key is irrelevant
As far as quantifying via logs - yes and no. Death is usually a combination of hits and inopportune scenarios, so you can quantify how often it’s triggering but since its value isn’t really quantitative it’s difficult to measure
How do you measure something that never happens?
For example you take a back hit and then a frostbane slash in pit that triggers stance mastery, you take additional melees from the pack, the healer pops something on you to stabilize
So it’s hard to quantify that scenario
But easy to qualify it
knotty mantle
I see what you are saying. Would there perhaps be a way to see key success rates with and without that talent picked across prot warriors?
frosty mango
I’m sure there is but the numbers would be so far polluted by many, many, other factors that I’m not sure you could draw any meaningful conclusions
knotty mantle
That makes sense to me. I appreciate the write up on the topic!
ivory barn
casual 60+ Ilvl upgrade LOL
heavy sparrow
good stats eh
ivory barn
idk destro is odd
primal crypt
@Cosmo#1069 if you have any pull, please let them know to give us ams equivalent
sick sentinel
every tank has their good points in every boss
junior ivy
i raid heroic and do keys up to 17, but im interested in pushing keys up to 20. think thatd be possible?
primal crypt
@Cosmo#1069 you'll probably get beta before any of us
fleet galleon
Oh, sorry. I crit rating is 1 parry rating. % may line up somewhere but it's not the way it's designed
sick sentinel
but in m+ we are not good
timid jay
Wouldnt count of me getting it really early
junior ivy
id just love to do a +20
sick sentinel
you can go up to 23 or 24s easily with good group
timid jay
Bigger chance of Macro, Sal, akmandor and sense getting it early
stark sage
i think warriors do fine for m+, warbringer and spell reflect are both very powerful tools
west kayak
We are fine in M+.
junior ivy
so i could do a +20?
fleet galleon
I don't think 1% crit is 1% parry ever @radiant osprey
timid jay
Besides, info will start to leak once the NDA is lifted anyway
sick sentinel
t if you want to go higher keys it will be harder
junior ivy
would i need t20 4pc for a +20?
radiant osprey
Yeah, eventually 1 crit doesn’t do much if anything for parry. Wondering when.
ember arrow
Think he means im bad in m+ kappa
sick sentinel
its easy to do 20
fleet galleon
I wouldn't stack crit with the goal of improving parry. There's no winning there
primal crypt
@catfriend#0443 20 is where everyone needs to be smart and synergize
radiant osprey
It’s the same for Druids. Crit = dodge but only up to ~15%. More than that and crit is wasted defensively
primal crypt
If you're gonna put it, sure you might complete it, but not on time
Bring repair boots and tons of food
Bots*
junior ivy
oo my dog is done gettin his hair cut cant wait to go see how cute he looks
radiant osprey
Kinda like the crit stat on riftworld. It’s useless defensively. If you use that trinket to be defensive it’s for the bonus effects.
lament tulip
Quick question. If I'm in a situation where I want to pop sheild wall for something BUT I have Scales of Earth (or pantheon proc) am I generally okay with holding sheild wall for a later moment?
Also what should my rotation look like with vengance during battle cry? have 0 rage going into it and my next reduced cast being an ignore pain and sheild slam spam?
lament tulip
okay so for big hits I shouldn't be trying to take advantages of buffs in order to save SW; got it
ember arrow
U dont use engeance wit t21
timber abyss
Guys, does Mannoroth's not gain the extra HP from Vegenance? Someone told me that yesterday but I'm testing it now & I'm healing for 6% off Ignore Pain after a Revenge (& I'm making sure it's not the revenge & IP)
ember arrow
No time to weave during BC. Booming voice is way to go
lament tulip
oh I knew vengance felt really off with t21. I'll brush up on pins then.
fleet galleon
Bracers use base rage cost for healing
timber abyss
Thank you Hauger, someone misinformed me yesterday then
ember arrow
They do but t21 reduces need for vengeance rage efficiency
fleet galleon
Anytime
ember arrow
AM uses actual rage spent. Wrists use base
timber abyss
That's actually really good to know about AM, been trying to use Kaku's more
fleet galleon
I didn't know that about AM
timid jay
@timber abyss well if you heal for 6% after spending 39 rage on ip
Unless you're talking about the combined heal for the revenge+IP then it does still heal extra
timber abyss
I was asking if I heal for 6% off the 39 Rage Spend on IP which it looks like we do thank you 😃
timid jay
👌
lament tulip
I'm a little confused. what tier do we run?
fleet galleon
Depends on your goals/content you run
You definitely want T21 2 pc at least though
lament tulip
I'm basically doing heroic clear and +15
but I want to be somewhat optimised, I don't want to be bad
fleet galleon
Do you find that very challenging to survive in? If so, do as the screenshot suggests
timber abyss
You basically use that method for Heroic (& even mythic if you get strong enough titanforged T20 4pc). You can transition to T21 4pc around Mythic if you have no luck on your T20
fleet galleon
That said, T21 4pc is very good for M+
lament tulip
Nice, good info. Thanks for your time. My experience here has been one of the best when it comes to asking questions in other discords. Thanks boys
timber abyss
No worries mate 😃 glad to help
timid jay
Remember to tell AMR that we're toxic here 
fleet galleon
AMR?
timid jay
ask mr robot
fleet galleon
Didn't know anyone still used that
timid jay
Basically sums it up
lament tulip
dude other discords are SO toxic man, I was asking some stuff on a guildies behalf in the resto druid one
0/10
fleet galleon
I know the DH discord has an admin labeled Non-Toxic Admin lol
timid jay
Well, its mainly this article thats triggering people
http://blog.askmrrobot.com/warcraft-discord-channels-review/
Where they put forward skyhold as one of the toxic discords
timid jay
Should have read the first one, the one they deleted
timber abyss
A pistol emoji? Looking like an outlaw there! Get back to the Rogue Discord. jk
timid jay
They made a "infographic" and listed off-topic with hate speech
So hate speech would be 60%
compact geyser
Haste speech 😜 😜
fleet galleon
It's all about haste in here anyway so
timid jay
😉
magic rain
Stepped in for one of our guilds tanks last night on H argus, managed to take 12 stacks of deadly scythe before dieing LOL, the DK tank envied Prots mitigation ^^
timber abyss
Hell if you crit blocked enough you might have just never died haha
ember arrow
I got to 17 yesterday
magic rain
setting the bar for me Levko, I like it 😛
upper spoke
i need to focus on an alt, u guys have a 2nd favorite tank?
upper spoke
fun M+?
upper spoke
hm i guess only trying it would end my skepticism
ember arrow
Not as engaging or as fast rotation as warr but none have really
timid jay
I kinda like DH tanking in m+
sick sentinel
dh tanking is so fun and good in m+
upper spoke
awesome im sold lol
timid jay
upper spoke
agreed
dense flame
veng dh is pretty bad ass
magic rain
gnome DH? lmao, look like a bat flying around
timid jay
Only thing I dont like about veng DH is how bad the meta looks for them
tranquil comet
i have an idea.. what about t21 4p and lego legs for 3x shield block and heavey rep for 100% on shield block is that vaible in m+ u think?
tranquil comet
okey
ember arrow
also u dont need legs for 100% SB uptime on HR
timid jay
The extra CD's from AM is generally more useful, besides you kinda need the damage for pushing keyes as well
magic rain
what ilvl do you think your gear needs to be to drop t21 4pc? 10?20+? No way for me to sim it so just wondering what you guys are thinking
upper spoke
Neltharion's Fury, our artifact ability, seems to cover most gaps in my SB during M+ tanking
tranquil comet
okey thx for answers guys :)
upper spoke
but my UI isn't the prettiest, so maybe sometimes I don't notice that I'm getting smacked around
^ with AM
tranquil comet
xD
ember arrow
well that sounds like ertai problem not class problem or talent problem
upper spoke
yeah if you're geared enough to acquire t21 4p, then i'd follow the typical guide posted in pins that recommends AM.
err the typical build posted in the guide in the pins
magic rain
Yep, which I know from the guide says we can drop 4pc to 2pc, but I'm not sure what ilvl difference the gear pieces need to let me drop it.
prisma crane
if you have heroic T20
base heroic*
it'll be worth using pretty easily until at least you're replacing it with mythic ilvl upgrades
and in some scenarios still worth it beyond that
strictly survival speaking, and also with emphasis on CDR and bracer heals
magic rain
yeah but unfortunately my warrior isn't my main (but it might be with the current tanking situation) so I'm sitting with 4pc t21 of H ilvl, so wasn't sure what I should be looking for to drop to 2pc T21
magic rain
no sadly
magic rain
even still, I have wrists/gloves, dont have TWF so even if I had 4pc t20 I couldn't use the survival combo :/
placid mango
holy shit, bfa ignore pain changes
prisma crane
but yea, TWF makes SW laughably short
junior ivy
k i feel out of the loop, whatrs thgis BFA IP stuff?
magic rain
link @placid mango
placid mango
60% dmg reduc for 4 sec and it goes to rage instead of hp
prisma crane
[read as] very early to draw substantial conclusions
prisma crane
tbh
placid mango
than current IP
ember arrow
its horrible
prisma crane
sounds like we're about to play very slowly
ember arrow
the way it is worded right now
junior ivy
😦
timid jay
I dislike it as well, makes planning rage a lot harder
placid mango
sounds like you're going to play much more offensively
timid jay
But its basically the same in real use
prisma crane
balance and shit will work itself out, so im not too worries
placid mango
than defensively
prisma crane
as far as meaningful abilities, i suppose
prisma crane
though you could argue that if you're spamming them they likely arent meaningful
idk
prisma crane
i'm just going to wait longer
ember arrow
lets unbind it
prisma crane
i mean IP and SB and other CDs
ember arrow
well 1 IP isnt as strong as other classes 1 use of metigation
prisma crane
our RPM will go down too, so if AM ever sticks around, it'll get hit pretty hard
ember arrow
thats the problem
prisma crane
though they could just drop the 10 rage req. to something lower, idk
ember arrow
if 1 IP was 4 mil but rage regen slower
wud look more like other classes metigation
but 1.5- 1.8 mil melts away instantly
so i hope it wont work that way in bfa
i hope that 1 use of IP will be meaningfull
timber abyss
I know it's not official yet but aren't they looking at changing IP to reduce damage we take but it uses our rage every time we get hit?
prisma crane
yea
also, under def stance, it's hard to tell, it added a 1.5 sec CD
but idk if that's a relic of the old stances or what
because if that's the ICD on the rage per melee swing, that kinda sucks
hard to tell
3 rage per melee reminds me of the rage per block thing, large aoe we swim in rage
timid jay
Guessing there will be a ICD, considering how blizz has handled stuff like that in legion
prisma crane
might as well just give us passive rage per second then at that point. ICDs make it very static anyways
boring
timid jay
With the CD on IP, do we actually have a rage dump now?
Revenge isnt that efficient at that
prisma crane
give us the opportunity to pull more inconsequential mobs to feed rage if we want
well, IP would likely last longer
since you'd have more rage to pull from
prisma crane
i assume though that it can deplete before the 4 sec is up (or at least stop working) if we run out of rage during
timid jay
With revenge staying unchanged, that seems like the biggest nerf to AM
Would assume so as well
But its still not a great rage dump
If nothing changes it feels like we'll be rage capped
prisma crane
thing is
rage will be balanced, it wouldnt be hard
cut SS rage in half
or 1/4
remove rage gain on tclap
etc
but like
it just sounds so slow
timid jay
yeah its numbers, but I feel like there should be some sort of rage dump
prisma crane
im not even counting right now, right now is really fast
though i do like it
but even ToS pacing would be nice
timid jay
I'd very much prefer if there was something like revenge keeping its current CD/cost, but you could use it when its on CD for extra rage cost
So you have some way of dumping, since thats really important when playing AM
timber abyss
I would like Heroic Strike back, just something nice off-cd when we have too much rage
timid jay
Yeah, just something to be able to dump rage into
sick sentinel
do I need bounding stride on garothi
prisma crane
no
untold vigil
shouldnt
timber abyss
No you don't but it is good to have if you're not running T20 with WLC
sick sentinel
so whats the best way to avoid the rockets
timber abyss
Have your off-tank taunt them once you get the debuff and then walk to the back left corner
prisma crane
personally (though i take more dmg from it this way) i move left, attack him til 1-2 sec left on the debuff, start running, hit SR before first hit
and spam IP and keep moving
after the 4th one i start moving back in and charge after the 5th hit, 6th still lands behind you
use LS or SW if you get hit by more than one
the only time i really get hit by more than one is if i fuck up and the first one knocks me into the wall
but in my way, i always get hit by the first one
timber abyss
That is definetly the best way if you want to maximize your uptime on the boss ^ but I'd say just be safe at first
prisma crane
yea, true, aggramars stride helps too
timber abyss
And if you're struggling even with Aggramar's stride, there's always Timeless Stratgem haha
timid jay
Dont forget your speed gear
timber abyss
Is that you, Asmongold?
deft dock
sup yall its me its ya boy asmongold
prisma crane
traitor
meh, all good i guess, i already know im one of the few ppl who only play one class and spec almost exclusively
timid jay
Already talking with my guild about me going healer for BfA
timber abyss
I've been a Prot Warr since WotLK but Legion made me try the other tanks too and honestly I enjoyed them more than I thought I would. Still main the Warr but I wouldn't pigeon hold myself anymore
junior ivy
i will always pigeon hole myself to warrior . will never main another classs
prisma crane
i mean, i enjoy playing other classes, but when it comes to my main, it's always been my warrior
even when we arent great : /
i think im just too stubborn and sentimental about it, idk
timid jay
Thinking shaman or paladin
timid jay
Paladin so I can tank m+ as well
timber abyss
Yea, I love Warrior too but I honestly felt bad for my guild in Nighthold. Thankfully we were decent again in ToS & Antorus but we have another Nighthold at the start of BfA, I'm not too sure I'll stay on it
junior bough
How much haste should I have guys? I am at 30 on heroic and getting some big hits coming in
timber abyss
As long as you can get 5 shield slams in under battle cry with T21 2pc you have enough
prisma crane
there is no amount you need
more is better, but not at the cost of ilvl
there's a breakpoint for 2p T21, around 23-25% haste (latency, reaction time, etc)
but i wouldnt fixate on it
just use the best gear you have
and try to find replacements for the low haste ones
of similar or better ilvl*
junior bough
Thanks guys much appreciate it
topaz ember
When is the next break point after 23-25 to get another shield slam in?
topaz ember
Ah well at least during hero I should be at 50% but beyond that seems almost impossible to hit xD
crystal night
Just received The walls fell, anyone know if its any good?
currently rocking belt and pants for max survivability ( no gloves )
timid jay
BiS if you run the tier combo
crystal night
Fawkk i dont have ToS tier at all 😦
crystal night
I love them on Argus for keeping high stacks in P4
dusky sedge
is codex any good for us? cuz 2 mythic ones dropped and the main tanks are asking if i want one?
crystal night
and Upper Kara obviously haha
timber abyss
But always have a Pants set ready to swap into because when the niche comes up it's amazing (like shade of medivh in Upper Kara)
crystal night
^
timber abyss
@dusky sedge What's codex? Apologies
timber abyss
Amazing in M+, don't raid with it
dusky sedge
k, so ill want one 😛
timber abyss
Ye ^^
dusky sedge
cuz our tanks apparently dont even want em
timid jay
Its mainly used for AoE
So you can trigger it more consistantly
dusky sedge
i already have apocalypse drive for skittish week as arms
the pala tank i run with ordered me to run it tbh 😄
green isle
hm
crystal night
Ahh, I gotta get me an Apocolypse Drive and that Riftwood Trinket. Currently I've been rocking Dimma's with battle cry for sick AoE damage and slow on Necrotic last week
silk edge
its necrotic again next week 😦
junior ivy
necrotic and what else
dusky sedge
teeming necrotic tyrannical
crystal night
Fort, I guess i just love the burst damage with battle cry
junior ivy
so will next week be harder?
silk edge
than this week for sure
crystal night
haha yeah
Okay guys so is it time to ditch out ilvl 900 immortality decks for any of the Argus trinkets for survivability? or naw
ditch our *
junior ivy
i ditched DMC long ago
i use dimas and argus trinket, before that i used dimas and arcano
but i dunno what best choice is
hopefully someone else does
sick sentinel
this week I got everything in antorus on the same ilvl but with sockets
crystal night
Can anyone else confirm that we should be ditching out Darkmoon for Argus trinkets?
also does Diimas and Aggramar trinket put each other on CD?
sick sentinel
diimas vs aggramars
brave mauve
BFA beta notes:
Devastator only gens 2 rage per autoattack
But Def Stance gives us 3 per melee attack recieved.
Devastate(or), Thunder Clap and Revenge all now have a chance to reset the CD of Shield Slam.
Shield Block is 35 rage instead of 15.
Ignore Pain ignores significantly less incoming damage.
The fact tanks are gonna start taking actual damage aside, does the fact we'll still have decent rage gen in Indom from Def Stance, and that we don't have to just spam Devastate in it to get SS off CD mean Indom is now a proper competitor for Devastator, despite losing its bonus to IP?
We big HP bois now?
tropic spoke
anyone here that can check a log for me?
sick sentinel
I just had a druid tythoon the walking titnas on coven right into me
brave mauve
lol
prisma crane
post it here and ask away DJ
tropic spoke
SB up time
is my concern
took your advice and had my tank go BV and AM
but still 37% SB uptime has me concerned
prisma crane
uptime doesnt matter for one
tropic spoke
word
prisma crane
it's % of blocked hits
he blocked about 68% of hits
it's not amazing
but not the worst
tropic spoke
yea
brave mauve
45% of uptime on IP is what I'm looking at, tbh.
tropic spoke
see and with t21 2 pc
tropic spoke
I know wowanalyzer isnt perfect but he had a possible 57 ss cast available
and cast 36
prisma crane
he used SS on average once every 6.25 sec
let me check my last kill of her
ill go to first 3:46 since thats how long he lived
tropic spoke
I actually looked at your log and have it up
sick sentinel
omg I get kicked because the paladin tank cant hold aggro
prisma crane
first 3:47 i had 76 SS
tropic spoke
compared to his 36
tropic spoke
yea
prisma crane
i do have 2p T20 so thats a bit extra for me
prisma crane
he just needs to be spamming SS during BC
tropic spoke
sounds good
prisma crane
idk, it's hard to tell without checking all SS timing, but he's def not using it as much as he can/should
tropic spoke
he has high level t20 pieces
prisma crane
timing DS with SS spams is nice if you can
tropic spoke
decent anyway
prisma crane
50% more rage per SS during DS
rancid creek
Hi all, I usually don't tank so I'm abit worried as I'm going to tank CoS 15 in an hour or so (EU affixes)
Which legendaries should I use? Also, tier 20 or 21 or a combination of the two?
sharp dew
brb going to run storm bolt, inspiring, BSC, crackling, indom, into the fray, 
heard it was an op combo for m+ Kappa
prisma crane
idk, it may help improve your score mighty
sharp dew
Savage
sharp dew
Not gonna lie running ravager sometime randomly-I don't think i've ever done it, would be fun for the lols
prisma crane
must wear arms helm when you use it
sharp dew
does it work?!?
prisma crane
pretty sure
stark sage
it works for fury
prisma crane
but tbh, never tried
sharp dew
😮
sharp dew
Looks like I need to upgrade it to 1k with essence for prot now xD
sharp dew
WTF it did 454k single target?! how trash is this talent
523k that time, moving up in life
hollow gorge
using BC?
prisma crane
but the parry!
hollow gorge
Never really used it either, but I guess if I were using it, id always line it up with BC, just like warglaives
sharp dew
Arms helm does work lmao
hollow gorge
Even though I don't see myself swapping away from AM, ever 😄
lament tulip
do we know what spec has highest chance of rolling arcano?
eg priest if you want it you roll holy
stark sage
i think prot
sick sentinel
ip feels so week with a 12 seconc cd
untold vigil
i mean, i think the 945 is better for dps (definitely for aoe), the 950 probably is better for survival
i'd probably stick with the 945, as survival isn't a huge issue in the content i run, but i'm also not cutting edge, so...
lament tulip
How about cof, can you get that in prot spec from relenquished?
sweet egret
no
prisma crane
no
delicate urchin
did chance for statstick changed with loot spec? (from argunit)
crude pond
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=77&type=deaths&death=3&translate=true
Is it my fault or healers'?? It's Imonar mythic
sick sentinel
well everything I see its japanese
crude pond
It's korean. just changed the link
sage obsidian
https://www.twitch.tv/velvelueth started a stream xD
noble solar
Any summarized changed from alpha?
noble solar
@sage obsidian there’s a self promotion channel for that
eager falcon
does anyone know why #showtooltip
/cast [harm] Intercept; [help] Intervene
doesnt work
untold vigil
its been a while since i changed my macros around, but doesn't intervene replace intercept as prot? and work on both mobs?
and friends?
sage obsidian
sorry :/
untold vigil
here's my intervene macro
#showtooltip Intercept
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead][@target]Intercept
and it works just fine
prisma crane
@crude pond it's hard to tell, some of it can just be CD usage
i saw you used LS and SW really close to each other before that
make sure heals are spamming on second and 3rd platform
try not to use both SW or LS at the same set of mines
and use BC as a CD for spamming IP
try to line with DS for more rage for more IP
undone sun
@tacit violet it pretty much trivializes the fight for tanks, cuts back on taunt swaps and since I have two other blood dks in the raid managing adds, taunt swaps other than for the combo isn't necessary considering block is op
Just make sure to not mess up your rotation 😉
Essentially it's an easier strat for what we were doing
crude pond
@prisma crane I just use DS and BC as soon as they can be used. you're saying it's not good?
prisma crane
generally it is
but if there are areas you know you'll take more dmg
try to save them for there
honestly, after 2nd and 3rd platform, the boss gets way easier on tank dmg
crude pond
it's easy even on 3rd. All the problem was on the 2nd platform
honest mantle
What boss are you talking about?
crude pond
mythic imonar
honest mantle
ah
crude pond
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=61&type=deaths&death=7&translate=true
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=72&type=deaths&death=1&translate=true
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=73&type=deaths&death=1&translate=true
here are deaths on 2nd platform from some other tries. Can anyone please check it for me..
I see the problem is that I get hit by sever + melee without SB.
Is there any other problems? Or is it ok if I pay more attention on making sure that SB is on when I get hit by sever?
prisma crane
3rd can just get bursty is all
btw, i just save my SW for if i make a mistake like that
since i play without bracers and with only 2p 2p
LS for if heals fall behind
and oh shit
crude pond
It feels if I don't use SW and LS frequently I might die any time
as I felt on Imonar tries
on other bosses I do just like you
prisma crane
on second platform
there's only like 2 scenarios that are scary
and those are when actively tanking (while the bombs still on you)
and when running out to get the bombs if they arent close
so i try to leap to those and charge back in
quiet delta
which trinkets and legendaries are best for padding the healing meters as prot warr? XD
I wanna make fun of my healers 😃
prisma crane
and just DS BC and SS IP spam my hp back
quiet delta
I want orange numbers on healing logs
prisma crane
bracers, insp pres
prisma crane
prob gloves
also
miss shield blocks on purpose where you know you can survive
using heavy vers and SW and stuff reduces the dmg you take, which reduces IP healing and bracer healing
obviously that's not great play, but if you wanna cheese extra healing, thats how you do it
quiet delta
yeah and which trinks?
prisma crane
absorb ones
or STR for more IP
codex wont do much on ST
you could use leviathan with BC up but its going to overheal a lot
prisma crane
yea
but mastery affects the size of your IPs too
so its a balance
and fight dependant
you wont beat them on any fight with bursty dmg to the raid
quiet delta
on eonar atm
prisma crane
but with heavy raid dmg insp pres can do work
quiet delta
no chance it seems here
junior ivy
Krotos did you even see the pics of my dog
crude pond
My health is 9.5m. if I have to remove 3~4 Shrapnel Blasts on 2nd platform , should I use SW or LS ?
undone sun
Likely both, the duration of the mines are longer than the duration of the CDs
crude pond
you mean I have to rotate CDs while the bleeds are on me?
prisma crane
if i play well i dont use SW or LS for 4 shrapnel and 2 severs
but you have to spam the shit out of your IP
crude pond
I always spams IP
prisma crane
i mostly end up using it when heals let me dip like if they have to move or something
have to use SS as much as possible too
obv
but like, idk, i do use belt so my DS and BC line up a lot more
and when those line up you get so much more rage
crude pond
I use 4+2 with bracers and WF on Imonar
prisma crane
i did as well on my first kill
just know that when you have 0-1 severs it's very manageable, so dont waste CDs then unless you really dip
make sure you SB the severs
that's big
i force a pre-CD if i know im about to miss it
crude pond
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=61&type=deaths&death=7&translate=true
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=72&type=deaths&death=1&translate=true
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TyWpwcaVnjPhYMG1#fight=73&type=deaths&death=1&translate=true
yes all the death logs tell me I got hit by sever without SB
they're huge amount of damage
and can kill me when I'm full hp
crude pond
is the bursting damage of 3~4 sharpnels threatening? or is it the bleeds?
warm plinth
Getting so close to 75th trait on warrior finally 😭
undone sun
The bleed is really the only noteable damage from the mines
timid jay
All about keeping SB up while you have misery on you
You still need to always be within 8yd's of a friendly so you dont get extra misery debuffs on you
I can be done, but theres no real reason to do it
quick garden
hi guys, can someone please look over my logs. I can´t really find room for improvment anymore and my guild still struggles in HC. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ld74DWVzM1Amv8rg/
timid jay
Any fight in specific?
quick garden
Felhounds, i will try to find some logs from Coven
timid jay
First thing that pops up, you really want to use berserker rage more often than that
I know you might be holding it for the fear but you should be able to get more than 4 in during the fight
If you use it that few times, might as well go for t21 4p and ilvl
Few GCD's there and there where you could have plopped in a TC
Nothing major though
quick garden
yeah, i know that. unfortunaly i can´t change that, because the lead wants me to deal with the fear by my on
timid jay
You can just fine
If its more than 20seconds untill the fear it should be no problem using BR
As for your deaths you had on the wipes, all of them we're thanks to no mitigation up for a while
steel mauve
Can get double that amount even holding it for fear
timid jay
First death on the first try, you had a 16 second gap where you didnt use a SB
and you died for a unmitigated burning maw
Same for the second death that try
steel mauve
Which is an extra 120 rage easily
quick garden
i don't know what to say. whenever i am raiding with my guild, i feel like close to dying every second. Even with BiS legos and T20- 4-piece and T21 2-piece. warrior is getting more boring after each week. I don´t even think that raiding with Kakushan / TgV /Archimodes is even possible
timid jay
Well, looking through you logs I can tell you that you dont always have AM up for the big hits
As for you being close to dying, I'm not seeing that either
Your health doesnt generally drop that low, and the deaths you had to dogs we're entierly missplays
Looking through you logs though, I can tell you that you dont utilize the tier combo to its fullest
So I'd recommend that you go t21 4p instead, its more forgiving thanks to the higher ilvl, and since you arent utilizing the tier combo to its full potential you should see a decent boost in general to survivability
quick garden
alright, did you also looked if the tank healing is alright?
untold vigil
do you use dbm or bigwigs?
timid jay
Its not really a issue, the tank healing
You generally dont drop low so there most of the time nothing for the healers to heal
untold vigil
i'm a heroic-level player too, and found that switching from dbm to bigwigs made a big deal... it was easier for me to focus on when the big hits were coming up, as opposed to the mess of stuff dbm puts on the screen.
since you're missing things like maws
steel mauve
I prefer dbm personally but its just what ive always used and ive seen some options missing from bigwigs players
quick garden
well, i am like always looking at the raidframe and dbm cd timer for them
untold vigil
it wasn't so much a dbm vs bigwigs comment as a: make sure you have some way to pay attention to the stuff you absolutely can't afford to miss
timid jay
@quick garden
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ld74DWVzM1Amv8rg/#fight=8&type=casts&source=1&translate=true
Ideally with the tier combo you want DS/BC and BR to always be on CD, you generally dont want to hold either of them
steel mauve
But there is a weakaura string of timers, that tells you when an ability is coming next, its extremely useful for seeing tank hits and how long you have till it hits
timid jay
Your first berserker rage was at around 30 seconds in and your first DS at around 45 sec in
untold vigil
very little a healer can do if you take an unblocked maw with high stacks
timid jay
You want to pop everything on pull, the tier combo lives and dies by how much rage you generate
It all depends on you building as much rage as you can so you can fuel the tier bonuses with more BC's which means more BR's
steel mauve
ya, playing AM you always use DS on cd, and barring dogs using BR on cd
quick garden
even if i am not going to start first or tank stops
steel mauve
rage for revenegs and IP's before having to actually tank, and more rage means more BC's means more dps
timid jay
Generally yes, you can hold it untill its your turn to tank again but often the CD's are so short they will be up again anyway
warm plinth
Finally!
timid jay
👏
warm plinth
6/6 bastion now
untold vigil
👍
warm plinth
Would be 7/7 but uh...
timid jay
LUL
quick garden
alright, relique and Eye of Shatug are good trinkets for tanking vs that high magic dmg
untold vigil
🤔
warm plinth
Didn't think I'd still have the relic when I unlocked T3 lol
timid jay
Shatug is the stamina one ye?
quick garden
y
untold vigil
if you have paragon trinket you should probably be using that
and the stam/verse one is fine
timid jay
Its really good for the EHP it brings
quick garden
alright.
maybe it isn't really a problem with playing my warrior. We always have a bad composition so it is very hard to tank and correct the misstakes from others
prisma crane
argent tournament?
junior ivy
im in magisters terrace though and it says i have artifactr weapon equipped
lol
but all of a sudden i look like this
nm figured it out
steel mauve
maybe your gnome just likes big long poles?
tribal shale
guys, i'm thinking in coming back to my prot warrior
but I stopped played during ToS patch, and I know shit about fights in ToS
how important is the t20 for us?
solid mist
question about IP useage. Been tanking normal ATB pugs for a few weeks, and just starting to try out Heroic ATB pugs (i'm ilvl 943) so stuff is obviously hitting a bit harder.
What I currently do is
- if I'm not actively tanking. try to build up a max IP for when the swap happens just to smooth the swap out and make use of that extra EHP.
- if I know a big hit is coming, make sure SB/Nelth's Fury can/will be up then pool rage. After big hit happens. If I'm missing more than like 10% HP I'll hit IP to "heal"
- other than that I just.. use it as free revenge procs happen and I have extra Rage.
But as I'm doing Heroic more... IP just feels so impotent. Especially in that third case. It's like..... use it -> get hit with normal boss hit -> IP gone. just feels worthless. And if I somehow get in a case where I have no SB charges avail or Nelth's Fury or DS or SW and I'm just tanking passively (although this is pretty rare)... IP is all I got and it just seems to not do that much.
1 and 2 seem like the "right" way to use IP but #3, especially doing Heroic just seems dumb, like very not engaging and kinda useless. Am I doing something wrong here?
undone sun
@tribal shale defensively very strong but not needed
undone sun
t21 4pc isn't terrible
glacial sage
sick sentinel
what realm are you on
tribal shale
so @undone sun can I just forget t20 and still be sucessful?
sick sentinel
yes you can
junior ivy
rexxar
sick sentinel
ok
sick sentinel
no idea
undone sun
dweller
mild echo
they're both still pretty slow, if you want fast underwater movement, fishing artifact is wonderful
tranquil sand
@undone sun regarding that milk scrolling combat text fix, im on a mac, does that complicate things? 😬
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
Hey
Hopeing someone can help me, sorry for being a noob, but can you block(crit aswell) Argus swipes? or is it really only white melee attacks?
The Sweeping Scythe's
timid jay
you can
sick sentinel
Thanks alot!
undone sun
for more blockable abilities naviagte to the pins and locate the spell reflect and blockable spreadsheet
👌
stuck oxide
its an excellent sheet 😄
undone sun
😊
stuck oxide
what do you think of the new alpha ignore pain as of now
undone sun
interesting to say the least
the direction they're going with tanks in general is disconcerting, at least in this early alpha state
timid jay
You dont mean disconcerting? 🤔
undone sun
maybe
timid jay
Swede coming in with the grammar slam
timid jay
I fully agree though
undone sun
obviously it's still way too early to start worrying about it but the ideas they just throw around is 🤔
brave mauve
Looks like they want tanks to actual take damage, instead of just hanging at 99%-100% and then be dead from one shot.
stuck oxide
@timid jay You are really playing the Alpha ?
undone sun
🤣
timid jay
😏 maybeee
stuck oxide
FOOK YOU
hearty flicker
Not to be that parse hunting guy, but whats with the Insignia of the Grand Army making its way to the top
undone sun
people have good t2 traits ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ember arrow
@undone sun what disconcerting about it?
undone sun
Just seems like they're wanting to dumb down everything again, general mechanics, spec toolkits, tanks in general seem to be very basic
But of course it's still very early alpha
undone sun
Definitely brings vanilla/tbc vibes
green isle
alpha
untold vigil
i feel like tanking in tbc was a lot harder than it is now. the game has just changed--it's more of a mitigation/survival role now, whereas threat used to be the main reason.
i also played on an ancient mac at 15-20 fps, so that might have had something to do with the challenge then, too, but i still think tanking (especially aoe tanking) was more challenging then
untold vigil
what do you mean levko?
lament tulip
why is this?
untold vigil
without having active mitigation, it will be boring? or that focusing on active mitigation is unfun?
or is met something else?
green isle
t20
lament tulip
oh i dont have t20, now that makes sense
green isle
if you don't have t20, that shouldn't show
lament tulip
kk ty
untold vigil
i'd like a balance, but i miss the old days where threat was really a thing
green isle
threat seems to be present in the notes in a few places
not entirely suprised they're at least touching it after threat was a non-issue for all of legion
untold vigil
skittish is probably my favorite affix
i don't think it should go to the bad old days of like... broodlord where knockbacks halved threat, but still having it be a bit of a thing would be fun
tribal nebula
Would the guide build be okay for something coming back to warrior after a bit, or is it for t21?
untold vigil
you can get t21 almost immediately with lfr
but the guide covers pretty much everything
it's a good overview
ember arrow
whats fun about losing aggro?
tanking for me is about surviving
not taunt spammin because dps pull aggro
Skada: DPS for Total: 03:07 (37 Min 3 Sec):
- Gammalågy 1.80M
- Astrophysics 1.44M
- Ripinpeace 1.43M
- Levko 1.38M
- Popebenedict 386.5K
pugdps feelsbadman
vestal iron
Does Spell Reflect work on Flashfreeze from Diima, Mother of Gloom during the Coven encounter?
ember arrow
no
final mist
It reduces damage but doesn't reflect.
steel mauve
threat was garbage in tbc, had to tell healers not to pre-hot because over healing caused a massive amount of threat
clicking off priest bubbles because you didnt gain rage through absorbs
and threat hasnt been a problem just for legion, they made it non existent at the end of wrath when they buffed out threat out put of our respective tanking "stances" and then in a differnet patch buff our threat output of our abilities
warm plinth
They obviously didn't want threat being a thing in Legion really because they even nerfed skittish when it was already not really a noteable affix.
warm plinth
Yeah, and it goes against their whole gearing to casuals thing anyway because then I have to deal with a casual PUG tank losing threat when he's supposed to be actively tanking.
ember arrow
yes but whats the FUN
in losing aggro
just make trash target random ppl or bosses like it does already
problem is already solved
craggy harness
do you think they could descale threat generation based on difficulty level?
not that resolves the personal issue of fun vs unfun
ember arrow
if thereat will become an issue
i wont take melee dps
into my groups
i dont see how that will make it better
all groups will be 3 hunters
craggy harness
there's definitely going to be a domino effect of changes required to pretend that change could work, for sure.
which means complexity, and points of failures in there design.
craggy harness
no
i don't miean that kind of difficult
i mean, if they try to make aggro loss a threat to tanks again
craggy harness
they'll have to consider stuff, like wahat you're doing
ember arrow
"u need to hold aggro so u cant press more than 2 buttons in rotation"
craggy harness
and then try to correct that, which means more points of failures in a design
if they try to bandaid it, not disagreeing
ember arrow
on my dk i dont take melee dps this week
on war i do because i do more dps
if i loose threat on skittish its "oh taunt isnt up, well i cant do much since i cant divert my attention to one mob to overtake aggro"
craggy harness
jokingly, but picture a tank button: "Sit in Corner/ Target Friendly DPS, reduce their dmg for 50 seconds, not on GCD"
ember arrow
that wud make tanks actual people protectign allies
that wud make good gameplay if done right
focus more on protectng people
i mean PROTECTION warrior
craggy harness
hmm,
ember arrow
cant protect except with safeguard
craggy harness
we have intercept
ember arrow
the pvp talent bodyguard is good example
craggy harness
yeah was thinking replace "take their dmg" with "reduce dps threat generation"
ember arrow
though terrible in practice
craggy harness
would be a 5 yd aoe?
anyway, still goes towards complexity
of design
(unintended consequences)
ember arrow
i once palyed a charcater who was someones bodyguard in d&d
if neemy was closing in i wud hit him and jump infront of the person i protect
take 50% of their dmg
craggy harness
you reliaze what kind on interactions we're talking about
with tanks telling dps again to stop generating threat
ember arrow
threat isnt fun, as i said, dps then wait 10 sec to go in
then they dont have issues
craggy harness
anyway, don't take me too seriously
ember arrow
look up tbc clips
craggy harness
i fully see it as a nice idea, but improbably to make it work in practice
*improbable
ember arrow
wow isnt realistic enough combat system to make threat loss look good, practical
its all numbers
thats why its unfun
craggy harness
I've been thinking about making a online/facebook game
ember arrow
garrison?
craggy harness
an arena type game, where you plug in/generate ai for your arena warrior
just made me laugh to think about putting in threat there
ember arrow
in a good combat system, positioning decides who enemy will atack
if u got a hallway and u let the tanky guystand infront
then enemy has no choice
in wow thats not possible
junior ivy
ember arrow
understand what i mean?
junior ivy
awww i love when this happens
craggy harness
no, absolutely.
ember arrow
thats how it works in my d&d sessions
craggy harness
like i said, don't take me seriously.
ember arrow
force the tank having aggro by letting enemies no choice but attack him
craggy harness
its talk, but not being dismissive of you
ember arrow
think we both agree that its not practical
or if they make mobs have collision detection
then it wud make it more practical
so tank can block their way
but then i imagine cheese
lots of cheese
blizard has to deal with
craggy harness
yeah, i wouldn't imagine that being attempted
more likely, a none shall pass, ability
but still, practicality issues even there
ember arrow
the part on skobald with aegis is good example of ACTUAL tanking
protecting allies while havign aggro on boss
rip typing
@junior ivy gj!
craggy harness
still #feelsgood to be thanked for tanking
craggy harness
oh, i have a reverse story
a higher ilvl warrior was pissed at me
on h vari
since he wasn't holding threat
when i was full dpsed out
ember arrow
i can imagine
junior ivy
whats the item called that inceases ilkvl of pantheo ntrinket?
junior ivy
okay thanks
do you get it first time you kill argus?
or only once you have the trinket?
craggy harness
not first, but everytime after that
(might require the quest to be complete for the free ring lego)
don't need trink
ember arrow
u dont need trinket and u get it every time u kill argus on any difficulty once a week
final mist
It's not a 100% drop rate.
prisma crane
final mist
You will not always get it.
ember arrow
Krotos,w why not into the fray
prisma crane
cant wait for this lfr
craggy harness
It's not? I thought it was 100% starting on second kill
prisma crane
thats not me
final mist
It's not 100%, no. Blizzard confirmed it back when Antorus released.
craggy harness
shrugs Damn. Haven't seen it not drop post my first
No skin of my back tho
oh goodie, i should have my fifth seal in time for my m tos run
fleet galleon
What's a good legendary to run with gloves if I'm going purely for damage on a boss? Single target
fleet galleon
Hahahaha
Debating if it's worth running belt even if there's no adds for the CDR on Demo Shout
It just doesn't feel worth it when I'm only hitting 1 target. But that said, I can't see a better dps legendary option.
craggy harness
belt or archimonde's maybe?
split mulch
anyone else having tank problems interrupting imonar? I keep interrupting him on the jumps while I'm still on the bridge.
warm plinth
You using Ember of Nullification?
split mulch
good call.. thank you
warm plinth
👍
crystal night
On dogs trinket do we rock Fharg or Shatug?
warm plinth
F'harg for physical. Shatug for magic