wait
#protection
lusty grotto
yes way
coarse bay
im sorry for your loss
i feel like these "ce only" groups are giga bait
my last group's first red flag was when they were asking for rift savers
everyone was silent
and it took like 5 mins just to assign roles
lusty grotto
youll see some real specimens
and group-makeup-andies
and tank-youre-not-moving-correctly-andies, and these are real dumb cause usually they complain for the most banal shit
coarse bay
i was in one
lusty grotto
i didnt tank it but i felt bad for the tanks
coarse bay
where twice in a row i was meleed by the big add in the dream realm
and i said something
and they said to wait for tank to get aggro
as if i wasnt
coarse bay
im hoping nobody inspects me closely
my leather boots look better than my 220 blue boots
coarse bay
theres just no hope in any of these groups yet
im in a guild group rn
surely they take no more than a few pulls
daring marlin
errm
coarse bay
right?
coarse bay
daring marlin
you got this bro
lusty grotto
LOL good times
"okay gang, we are gonna kick and grip real good, tanks wont fight over agro with blue rings equipped while simultaneously complaining about hunters pulling agro and not casting MD in add phases! we got this!"
coarse bay
lmao
frosty mango
and tank-youre-not-moving-correctly-andies, and these are real dumb cause usuall...
I got blasted the other day because I “ropped too early”
frosty mango
And then called a shitter and kicked
lusty grotto
lmao
undone beacon
why did you rop early though
lusty grotto
seems par the course
undone beacon
shitter
frosty mango
why did you rop early though
I ripped before they made it to the save spot lol
blazing river
Holy durability changes we are so back
lusty grotto
wdym where did we go
undone beacon
to the bread line
frosty mango
Is retail gold still a thing
undone beacon
brokies
lusty grotto
only poors went away
blazing river
Hahaha
lusty grotto
people that cant do 3 WQs
frosty mango
I didnt think it was possible to run out of gold
blazing river
Brokies are back in town
frosty mango
Now classic, I’m about to quit because my coffers are dry
Gold farmers eating good in classic
blazing river
Irani gdkp hosts are living royalty in classic
coarse bay
we're so back
undone beacon
im having fun
I'd be having more fun if I did damage :(
lusty grotto
I didnt think it was possible to run out of gold
same
frosty mango
I'd be having more fun if I did damage :(
Have you tried pressing your buttons
undone beacon
I have
lusty grotto
I'd be having more fun if I did damage :(
i was being serious earlier, dont SPs have execute damage
undone beacon
But shadow on this fight is already subpar and im a bad spriest on top of that
undone beacon
i was being serious earlier, dont SPs have execute damage
I have shadow word death but that button is barely worth hitting in general
lusty grotto
hmm
undone beacon
They've given it like a 120% buff over the season and its still turbo mid
good point
frosty mango
They've given it like a 120% buff over the season and its still turbo mid
Shadow is always cheeks
Same reason Aff is always cheeks
Dots are impossible to balance
Raid dps gets buffed, m+ dps out of control > nerf
It has happened every season for like five expansions
With the exception of s2m which was actually killed it was so good
lusty grotto
i got baited by pash
frosty mango
i got baited by pash
And you didn’t even have to pay
undone beacon
Shadow is always cheeks
Its so sad though because i genuinely am enjoying shadow. Its just... shadow
lusty grotto
but i got it on 4k
frosty mango
Its so sad though because i genuinely am enjoying shadow. Its just... shadow
I love my monk but sometimes I do go tank raid
I’m reminded how painfully boring it is
Bear pash was never said
Time to go home
My other discord died so I’m back to shiny name
undone beacon
I got to tank half a night of myth crown prog, i was vibin
Bear pash was miserable but that was because Nexus King was miserable and raid leading was miserable
lusty grotto
there are some fun tank fights this season
but yeah this is why i dont really like to raid tank anymore
or rather, prefer dpsing
undone beacon
Honestly I'd be having more fun if i felt like i wasnt dragging in raid with my damage lol
undone beacon
💪 
coarse bay
no u
lusty grotto
I woulda done 140k
i believe you
lusty grotto
yeye
lusty grotto
daring marlin
back in the cage nerds @lusty grotto @undone beacon
gaunt frigate
Pugging 17s is a challenge.
yell at them more
lusty grotto
sniped by quill and no rescue friend yet again
undone beacon
Spell reflect 4head
lusty grotto
true
plush swallow
I'll use the r word tech next time
gaunt frigate
See the fact that youre even in here most likely means youre the best player in your 17
so you have free reign to call them bad words
17s are free if people have half a brain
But unfortunately thats only 3 brains between your group of 5
plush swallow
It's weird that people still aren't really doing stuff right in 17s
It's not that hard
But hey whatever. It feels like rolling the dice. I play the same dungeon over and over and eventually the stars will align bro
gaunt frigate
if you go into every single dungeon with the expectation that your group are actually diagnosed mentally deficient
you can time every 17
by pulling to that end
But if you go into a 17 trying to pull like its a 22
and youve got the aforementioned folks
well youre gonna not enjoy yourself
Like start with "these people are horrible" and work backwards from there
plush swallow
I feel groups out pretty well. Tho the constant fail on the opening lust pulls were a bit disheartening
Lol
gaunt frigate
But see heres the thing -- its a 17
you dont need to lust the first pull every pug
pull 2 in AA instead of 3
make them prove theyre okay
plush swallow
Stagger pull. Gotcha
gaunt frigate
devise your own "these folks might be mongoloids" route
gaunt frigate
Welcome
The less you leave to chance the more you succeed
Also, take a chance on the Azralonians and QuelThalassians
they are surprisingly okay
coarse bay
What youre experiencing is pretty normal, thats one of the main reasons why if you want to push, you should push early and stay ahead
undone beacon
This season is pretty weird with the gear and io inflation too so
Gonna be a mixed bag
plush swallow
That's one issue I have. People accept any damn one I swear.
plush swallow
It's my first m plus season. Growing pains
undone beacon
I got tired of pushing for 18 resi and decided to play other games with my free time instead 
Playing machinarium rn
gaunt frigate
quitter
undone beacon
Fun lil point and click puzzle game
plush swallow
I got tired of pushing for 18 resi and decided to play other games with my free ...
I'm reaching this point myself.
coarse bay
Ya i came back after d4 break and pushed a little
gaunt frigate
honestly if youre playing tank and playing your own keys
the world can be your oyster
undone beacon
I'm a shadow priest this season
undone beacon
undone beacon
Got to 3600 on shadow and went, meh i could be having fun playing other games
gaunt frigate
as the tank you dictate the dps of the group
based on your pull sizings and pacing
now
undone beacon
but like
hear me out
Enter the Gungeon is fun af
gaunt frigate
if people suck thats out of your control
coarse bay
Ill be honest, i dont make many adjustments based on my group
If they cant handle the route
Then we dont win
Obviously within reason
gaunt frigate
thats fine
you can play that way
whats your io though cam
like think of it like youre a pilot right
coarse bay
Almost 3k for the pretty mount
plush swallow
Seems like the best tanks are super adaptable. Like you have to really get a feel for the group fast and set that pace.
gaunt frigate
and you got some bad turbulence
coarse bay
Is this some sort of ted talk
lusty grotto
im laughing at this guy explaining to you Cam
gaunt frigate
and buddy
coarse bay
plush swallow
XD
daring marlin
I'm setting PRs elsewhere
coarse bay
I dont get the cloud analogy tho
daring marlin
meh io
coarse bay
What does it mean
gaunt frigate
get up into the clear skies of people with high IOs who arent going to brick your key over stupidest shit
gaunt frigate
gotta suffer the turbluence
WELL YEAH BUT YOU GOT DELAYED ON THE TARMAC
let me have my analogy ok ty
coarse bay
Its pretty hard to catch up to the title curve once youre behind
Unless you have connections
gaunt frigate
if you can find 5 people who pugged their way to 3500 you can take those 5 and get to title
coarse bay
daring marlin
3500 is pretty easy tho
daring marlin
but that's just a timesink anyway
coarse bay
1% isnt a title
plush swallow
That is going to keep going up too
coarse bay
Is it 3750? That sounds low
lusty grotto
it'll get higher
plush swallow
One percent does get a title now I'm pretty sure. I read on raider io
gaunt frigate
3750 is top 1% as of like yesterday
coarse bay
Itll probably be resi 20ish
gaunt frigate
yeah
plush swallow
There's umbral hero and champion no?
gaunt frigate
i believe thats accurate crow
coarse bay
🤷♂️
gaunt frigate
saw something about 2 titles
and yes right now is where the curve starts to break apart
because we are at max gear for the season more or less
coarse bay
Ya
daring marlin
top 1% or 19" biceps
gaunt frigate
yeah if you can time an 18 right now
daring marlin
🤔
autumn heron
We still have a long way to go for season 1
coarse bay
Saying if u can do an 18 u can do a 19 is like
autumn heron
Plus all the sellruns that start ebd of season for .1 and 1 % bracket
coarse bay
Saying if u can do a 10 you can do a 20
autumn heron
You wont get 1% with all 20s
coarse bay
Just do it
plush swallow
I just need a team and I can cook bro
coarse bay
Itll probably be 20 with some easy 21
gaunt frigate
I just need a team and I can cook bro
bad mindset
plush swallow
No one ever wants to chat
gaunt frigate
start cooking then find a team
plush swallow
I had the same issue with pvp. Wow players are hella anti social
coarse bay
Do you have a guild
plush swallow
Shit, I need to tap into my guild tbh
coarse bay
Yup
plush swallow
There's probably some goons in there
daring marlin
<:peepohide:841312329424437298> <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
lmfao
coarse bay
Pash is the coolest and bestest
daring marlin
Pash is fun
undone beacon
mystic cave
It's spell reflect after judgements taunt on mythic paladins ya
plush tendon
finally got AoTC
coarse bay
Nope
Gotta link them your bank account and resume
Then theyll check your logs for healing parses
Did u get birb
plush tendon
naw
lusty grotto
do you think groups will invite me now
no
undone beacon
finally got AoTC
Grats!
Little late in the season for aotc, gonna reflect badly on your report card sorry
undone beacon
turbo casual
plush tendon
lusty grotto
nimchipadin got aotc before you augusto, what are you doing man
undone beacon
15 children and each child has 15 more children
plush tendon
nimchipadin got aotc before you augusto, what are you doing man
it was for the auramax
undone beacon
fractal
plush tendon
lusty grotto
smh only 15 children?
coarse bay
How many jobs though
plush tendon
3 jobs
coarse bay
Rookie
lusty grotto
truee
undone beacon
I ghost write linkedin posts on the side
coarse bay
I have a cool story about my chim journey
Happened at like 3 am
I joined a pug with some liquid people
We wiped and disbanded after 1 pull
coarse bay
No way its 500+ tho right
plush tendon
no
coarse bay
Doesnt seem to be uncommon to hit that high
plush tendon
approaching 400 though
coarse bay
Pretty normal i think
coarse bay
Glad u guys got it down though
plush tendon
for sure
coarse bay
Some people dont seem to like the prog on that boss
plush tendon
honestly, practicing on Pre nerf p1 prob helped for later prog
but god damn was that phase hard
now that phase is a lot more managable
plush tendon
Some people dont seem to like the prog on that boss
its P1 man
the rest of the fight is somewhat chill compared
but those P1 wipes just add up fast
and get sprinkled in even when you prog past it
a good night was like only 40% P1 wipes
coarse bay
I miss raiding already tbh
coarse bay
Tbf
Shadow seems kinda miserable in raid in general
In terms of mobility and whatnot
tribal wharf
i realized im so disconnected from running 20 keys that if i tune into some dudes stream and itslike 23 pit of saro , ill usually ibstantly leave stream, anything beyond 15, but if its 16 only maybe id watch, i find it much more enjoyable to watch a team run a 10-15
undone beacon
Its a lot of fun in keys when you get to dot everything up and watch ghosts go everywhere but
Their ST is kinda dog so it feels bad
tribal wharf
somwone doing 23s way beyond what im at
coarse bay
23s are beyond almost everybody
Title will be lower than 23 most likely
Only top teams and players are doing 23s, and the coming power might not be a key level worth
tribal wharf
infamously only ran 1 20 ever, wcm not only completed runs but attempts too, i dont think i ever wanted to try one again
spiral mason
@bitter wren how do i tank?
high aspen
insane prot warrior buff
rich dawn
Title will be lower than 23 most likely
it will be all 22
and some 23
gonna be a battle
all i can say
coarse bay
cerulean tusk
Prot getting another giga buff, love to see it 
undone beacon
autumn roost
-# it was a wipe ignore that
cerulean tusk
Where is Berserker Rage and pummel in that macro
undone beacon
autumn roost
what's berserker rage
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Free apm for the apm macro tho
undone beacon
The idea of putting random bullshit for the APM macro is so funny though
fringe mural
insane prot warrior buff
Oh come on
just when i got an indestructible shield this season
jagged pier
Free apm for the apm macro tho
i mean theres only one thing to pat apm and thats the bat toy
dusty wedge
perhaps it is general knowledge, but asking for some tips here. we started progressing myth saladbar with the aotc guild I'm in, though I'm having trouble handling the stacking debuff+tankbuster resulting in getting floor PoV 50% of the time. We only tauntswap with the tankbuster which I think might be the issue as destabilizing strikes get up to 20 stacks
jagged pier
u should be swaping whenever the stacks drop off
dusty wedge
what I thought 🙂 we we're close though already. 1.6% best pull. Bet it will be a whole lot easier once we start swapping properly
naive ravine
Omg are we saved in patch .7
We are saved
Im crying
No longer infinite repair bills
fringe mural
it‘s so dumb, why did i even invest talent points into shield crafting on my paladin…
i want those points back
naive ravine
Big L
heavy sparrow
anyone know if during the duo boss in WS where the heaving latch being casted onto a player and they hide behind the kalis boss if any known interupts/resets on the heaving throw?
crisp ocean
if I don’t have raid bots premium how do I know where to use my bonus rolls?
jagged pier
u just sim each dungeon individually
crisp ocean
u just sim each dungeon individually
and then if I need the most items from one dungeon I bonus roll there?
jagged pier
pretty much
crisp ocean
okay tysm
somber stump
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/31V6qmFntAT5gRoK7G5yWS is Loa worshippers band really the correct call here or should i craft something else? no idea how good it is on a warrior
jagged pier
no u should craft another acronweave piece
somber stump
yeah that's what i thought already, thanks Jakey!
cerulean tusk
1/4
heavy sparrow
Depends on key lvl but see what you like and don't like, fun part about creativity I guess
carmine frigate
We’re cooking. Just two bosses to go 
lofty warren
no ravager is the thing that is unique about it..
naive ravine
Nim talked about those talents yesterday
Pepega
@lofty warren #protection message
coarse bay
anyone know if during the duo boss in WS where the heaving latch being casted on...
If you mean restart the cast time of the hook thingy, no but if he doesnt latch her he recasts. So i guess tank could step in front and get grabbed to save a slow dps. But the healer needs to heal the whole time
coarse bay
The cast itself does little dmg
Its the pulsing aoe the lady does that needs healing
round pendant
I feel like pepega is a bot
nah he just doesn't really listen to anything anyone says
frosty mango
I feel like pepega is a bot
Nah pepega is just a master subtle troll
Every once in a while he slips
coarse bay
The man behind the mask is secretly smart
And yoda
That’s why he always advertises tier lists
plush tendon
the lack of extra rage gen hurts the value of indom
so questionable why you'd run a healing talent based on spent rage, but skip out on basically every rage gen talent
also unsure of whether 5% stam and 2% haste is better then rav
lone wren
Prot warior more popular than prot paladin in m+ 20+
plush tendon
Prot warior more popular than prot paladin in m+ 20+
jagged pier
coarse bay
cerulean tusk
Why bunny no dance?
cerulean tusk
Am I a bad person for disliking AI slop?
ivory barn
I am not amused with it either tbh
cerulean tusk
In another decade, it will prove to be worthwhile. Trust the process
Then I can go to an elderly home and do my Sunshine days with a VRset plugged to my brainstem 
coarse bay
round pendant
Am I a bad person for disliking AI slop? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
why would being correct make you a bad person?
coarse bay
cerulean tusk
All you need to know, is it worked
round pendant
generative ai still gonna be dogshit in 10 years
and anyone who likes it currently has something fundamentally wrong with them and it's not fixable
I'm grumpy today
cerulean tusk
Nah, in 10 we gonna have fullAI driven nerve connected VR and Utopia, where the machines do all the work
round pendant
ivory barn
coarse bay
We will live life through the window of tiktok
ivory barn
VR looked fun. Until it isn't
round pendant
Nah, in 10 we gonna have fullAI driven nerve connected VR and Utopia, where the ...
I think you meant to say dystopia
cause that sounds hellish
heavy sparrow
If you mean restart the cast time of the hook thingy, no but if he doesnt latch ...
Yeah it was strange - I might see if it can be replicated. He stopped around 30 or 40% cast. I'll see if could be replicated
frosty mango
rn
Nah you gotta ban that shit
My kid has never had tik tok or insta or any of that
fringe mural
My kid has never had tik tok or insta or any of that
mine do not, too, and i don't plan on giving it to them any time soon
still it's the sad reality for a lot
plush tendon
the first electronic device a kid should be getting is a Game Boy Advanced SP
full stop
fringe mural
the first electronic device a kid should be getting is a Game Boy Advanced SP
SP?
i only now og game boy, pocket and color
fringe mural
oh that one
plush tendon
the other ones use batteries
fringe mural
i think i have a ds lite
plush tendon
very wasteful
I think a DS is fine to
I guess the thing parents do now is just give their kid a Ipad
which is craaazy to me
fringe mural
fringe mural
I guess the thing parents do now is just give their kid a Ipad
well it totally depends what they can do with it
plush tendon
in 4th grade my mom asked me gameboy or gamecube and I chose the cube
fringe mural
mine can use the library app only on old ipad airs
the public library app
they read and listen to audiobooks
zero reading issues at school
plush tendon
Audiobooks+gameboy=perfection
we used to get the disks from the public library
so on long car trips or just at home you slam those into the disk player and I could still play some pokemon
fringe mural
online versions of stuff is where the poison is, most single player games are harmless
like i played diablo 2 single player with 12 and still frown upon seeing gore, it didn't effect my sensitivity to violence really
final jackal
Might reroll my hunter to a Goblin @plush tendon
plush tendon
Might reroll my hunter to a Goblin <@181600386941976577>
gross but ok
final jackal
Kinda leaning towards dwarf lately
plush tendon
my hunter is a dwarf
harsh trellis
Just go dwarf
plush tendon
cause that intro is gold
lusty grotto
final jackal
But dwarf is meta
harsh trellis
If you dont care about out the race pick whatever you want
plush tendon
Worgen would be funny
heavy sparrow
in 4th grade my mom asked me gameboy or gamecube and I chose the cube
Well done
fringe mural
that was my first handheld
that's the other one i still have
plush tendon
can awooo auramax while leaning
harsh trellis
Worgs snort too fuckin much
final jackal
Nah i dont like races for which you cant xmog boots
plush tendon
theres just too much
final jackal
Especially for a warrior, plate boots best boots
plush tendon
Especially for a warrior, plate boots best boots
well that leaves you with Dwarf, Human, Orc
final jackal
Is dark iron dwarf racial any good?
fringe mural
what was really crazy was playing diablo 3 on a switch on the train lol
harsh trellis
I go cross eyed trying to play games on those small devices
plush tendon
Is dark iron dwarf racial any good?
same as normal dwarf
maybe slightly worse, but its still really good
Not a huge fan of Dark Iron myself; the Nordic theme of Warriors fits perfect with normal Dwarves
heavy sparrow
Is dark iron dwarf racial any good?
Gives movement speed indoors and has dwarf racial but not 10% reduced amage but gives strength
plush tendon
and Dark Irons are too fire and dark for that
harsh trellis
Was thinking of getting a switch 2 before the price hike but it'd mainly just be docked
plush tendon
but lowkey, Dwarf DK might be BiS
there is something about DK armor+white dwarf beard+blue glowing eyes that just hits sooo hard
plush tendon
Was thinking of getting a switch 2 before the price hike but it'd mainly just be...
I cant justify spending money on a seperate game system
when I have a computer
tribal wharf
my "ipad" tablet is broken, not really broken but its dying and all screwy
point im making is i have to use that stupid pencil thing to do things on it
screen all messed up lol
final jackal
but lowkey, Dwarf DK might be BiS
you haven't seen my gnome DK
harsh trellis
screen all messed up lol
Like cracked messed up?
tribal wharf
glitchy
harsh trellis
If its old slap zorinOS on it
plush tendon
you haven't seen my gnome DK
I have a hard time taking gnomes seriously; like it can be funny to play a gnome cause you are so small
tribal wharf
its, it might as well die at this point lol
plush tendon
but I dont think I could main a toon that is a gnome
harsh trellis
Gnomes are gross
plush tendon
Gnomes are gross
yea, but they are funny
final jackal
I have a hard time taking gnomes seriously; like it can be funny to play a gnome...
ive never mained it but it is funny because of how small they are
plush tendon
Im way too basic, so my main is basically always a human, dwarf, or elf
final jackal
i have a problem, some of my toons ive race changed like 3-4 times
harsh trellis
Humans or elves i wish humans could be shaman
tribal wharf
i will play any of the not cringe races
and a few of those too
im never ever doing gnome unless its a caster only thing
final jackal
since BfA my monk has been a night elf, a human, a zandalari, a void elf, a zandalari again, and now a panda
tribal wharf
night elf, never doing that, draenei probably not much of it
plush tendon
cause their model fits perfectly for a monk; very muscular but also lean
final jackal
i can see a vulpera rogue
plush tendon
https://tenor.com/view/wizard-crawly-crawly-wizard-mall-wizard-mall-gif-14992836...
Runescape gnomes are legit
dusky canopy
https://tenor.com/view/gnomes-running-woods-gif-17550916128429560217
Imagine packs of gnomes actually roamed the woods like that
Nightmares for sure
plush tendon
ok, now im starting to see the appeal of gnomes
urban bane
he doesn't know about the redcaps
tribal wharf
valid edge
somebody got an idea where i can make my mini map widget smaller? Like bigwigs/ Details etc.. ?
tribal wharf
this is my race list (only play male character)
final jackal
Interesting
harsh trellis
No female night elf mailbox dancing for yogi.
final jackal
I agree not a fan of male nelf
plush tendon
Male Nelfs are too floppy
harsh trellis
Nobody giving gold to male night elf dancers
You get more gold from mailbox dancing on female toons
plush tendon
Male Nelfs also hold 2h really weird
tribal wharf
male night elf has a lot weird about them
lets be real, but its not that big of a deal
bunch of hippy tree guys
final jackal
@lusty grotto thoughts? This is an important discussion we’re having
final jackal
Surprised to see mechagnome so high on your list
tribal wharf
im more concerned if they are going to do things they could be expected to, like a shaman hitting lust
plush tendon
yea, mechagnome in B is a stretch
tribal wharf
I would want other mechanized races too
goblin probably
make sense when they make bombs and bikes
lumber cutting mechs
tribal wharf
tuskarr
coarse bay
Yeah it was strange - I might see if it can be replicated. He stopped around 30 ...
It it recast? Someone mustve melded
plush tendon
and the perfect warrior race
lofty warren
When is it good to drop ravager? I've seen builds with indom, last stand, focused vigor, and Instigate all being used/not used
Focused vigor less than 50% useage for pwar on WS.. but when I read it.. 3% str sounds good
There isnt a strength soft cap like secondaries afaik?
plush tendon
When is it good to drop ravager? I've seen builds with indom, last stand, focuse...
I dont think its ever a good idea to drop Ravager
lusty grotto
the only swap points that should be considered are FV, EA and TaN. TaN will be a nono if there's enough mastery to make it outsim the other two, otherwise EA is a nono
meaning FV is always a good swap point
plush tendon
FV is good, but 3% strength is like 60 str?
lusty grotto
and depending on mastery: if good mastery = drop EA, if no good mastery = drop TaN
doesnt matter, we're comparing with each other FV will be less dps gain
so lower impact
if you want a real answer you sim the swaps
and figure out what works best for your character
ravager / whirling blade should never be swapped out
just for the rage gain
and you should always have two rage talents: Instigate, bloodsurge, frothing berserker. Pick two of these, especially with indom, otherwise indom does jack shit
plush tendon
does Frothing do all that much in terms of rage gen?
lusty grotto
its a rage save
plush tendon
at least, compared to Insti or Bloodsurge
lofty warren
EA vs fv for defensive value any diff?
lusty grotto
Instigate and bloodsurge are superior Augusto
but, its a valid pick if you want to swap out of one of them
at a slight loss
lofty warren
On paper isn't 3% str > 2% haste for dps and def value?
lusty grotto
plus its stam vs armor
plush tendon
On paper isn't 3% str > 2% haste for dps and def value?
no
lusty grotto
and the armor gain from FV's str isn't that big
plush tendon
3% of your str is like 60 prim stat
lofty warren
Funny all the guides in stat prio have str > haste > whatever but now that you can pick 3% str and 2% haste, haste win
plush tendon
I could be confusing it though; my assumption is that 2% haste is added onto your current % haste value
lusty grotto
its a choice between 3 talents
plush tendon
so it would take you from 24%-26%
whereas str doesnt have a % value so a % str increase would just increase your current str value by that %
so like 1800 str to 1854
fringe mural
does Frothing do all that much in terms of rage gen?
if you have 12 cpm of revenge it saves you 24 rage per minute
plush tendon
maybe im understanding it wrong though
lusty grotto
sim the picks and see for yourself
lofty warren
Ohhh fv isnt adding a flat 3% str on top it is adding 3% of what you already have now it seems more like a 🗑️
lusty grotto
its def not garbage
but between the 3, its the least impactful
so you want to pick it as a swap point
and it has no gain from mastery (like TaN)
so it has 0 conditionals
plush tendon
Ohhh fv isnt adding a flat 3% str on top it is adding 3% of what you already hav...
thats my assumption
fringe mural
and it has no gain from mastery (like TaN)
because tan scales with crit block?
lofty warren
Ea text: Increases Stamina by 5% and your Haste by 2%.
They both use the same text style. "Increases whatever by x%"
plush tendon
when I get home, Ill try in game to see what happens to my character sheet
pastel summit
Wish they'd delete that and alacrity and just buff spec baseline
Prot warr needs more pointos
Buff execute and its talents
plush tendon
Ea text: Increases Stamina by 5% and your Haste by 2%.
these are the sims; the base is having both
Active 2 is with EA
Active 3 is with FV
lusty grotto
meaning you lose more dps by dropping EA
lofty warren
but between the 3, its the least impactful
If you have 1% strength baseline and then you equip fv talent. Is your new strength 4% or 1.03%?
If flat increase then 1% + 3% = 4%
lusty grotto
than by dropping FV
lusty grotto
If you have 1% strength baseline and then you equip fv talent. Is your new stren...
log in the game and figure it out
im not gonna do math while im working when you can literally see it in game
plush tendon
If you have 1% strength baseline and then you equip fv talent. Is your new stren...
I think the math is this: take your current nominal strength value
and multiply by 1.03
thats your answer
lofty warren
Not in game atm just wanted to know if fv added 3% strength to your current
lofty warren
I think the math is this: take your current nominal strength value
So fv just does current str *1.03
EA does current haste % + 2%
plush tendon
So fv just does current str *1.03
EA does current haste % + 2%
yea, thats my assumption
check in game, but that makes the most sense
lofty warren
yea, thats my assumption
How would you know that by looking at the talent text
pastel summit
1880 str spec into it 1936 str 
plush tendon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1509952575028...
based on how ITF works
lofty warren
1880 str spec into it 1936 str <a:blizard:1405580521278406697>
Thats * 1.03
heavy sparrow
Ea text: Increases Stamina by 5% and your Haste by 2%.
I can't tell if it's base strength or statted strength but it's like 73 parry rating and like similar strength
fringe mural
3%
fringe mural
Got me there ngl
oh you thought i was talking about ea?
nah i tested fv
with and without
plush tendon
can you test EA?
fringe mural
i can
lusty grotto
EA is on the percentage
its not-DRable
its % based so its on the %, not on the raw rating
lofty warren
I bet that is fv added a flat 3% str like ea adds haste it would be not considered the weakest of the bunch
lusty grotto
same as ITF, lust, etc
heavy sparrow
and multiply by 1.03
This
fringe mural
so with ea i have 35%
hollow patio
I bet that is fv added a flat 3% str like ea adds haste it would be not consider...
Well there is no %str value, is there? Am I missing something?
dusty orchid
I bet that is fv added a flat 3% str like ea adds haste it would be not consider...
They would both be the same number because there isn't a %mainstat.
lusty grotto
youre not missing anything, pepega is
fringe mural
without i have 32
plush tendon
Ok I think we solved this: For FV it takes your nominal strength value and multiplies it by 1.03 (EX: 1800X1.03=1854)
fringe mural
but i don't know the exact value, it is rounded
plush tendon
for EA it adds 2% haste
lofty warren
Ohh youre right str isnt a %.. actually idk how haste is a percent.. what is it a percent of?
plush tendon
so 24%-26%
lusty grotto
haste rating or raw percent, depending on what it is
fringe mural
ea doesnt influence haste rating
fringe mural
only the flask does
dusty orchid
Rating makes up the percent
%increases do not cause you to get any closer to diminishing returns
lofty warren
Haste % = haste rating / [mystery]?
fringe mural
dr only triggers when the rating goes over the dr thresholds
lusty grotto
not a mystery
fringe mural
not the percentage
dusty orchid
Haste % = haste rating / [mystery]?
Yes but not a mystery
lusty grotto
a mystery for you perhaps
lofty warren
What is the denominator
fringe mural
if you dr threshold is 1300 and you have 1400 haste, you have an effective haste rating of 1300+0.9x100 = 1390
and on top of those 1390 goes the % bonuses
lusty grotto
1% haste is 44 haste rating, the rating is determined by level, the higher the level of your character, the more rating you will need for 1%
this is why
on every s1
we go HR
because our secondaries, and more importantly haste, get reduced by the level increase between expansions
this applies to every single class
fringe mural
what is the first dr breakpoint for haste?
lusty grotto
1320
fringe mural
thanks
lusty grotto
the hard stopping point for haste this exp will be 2640
fringe mural
does dr work on flasks?
lofty warren
Tan vs fv vs ea. I get you can sim it for damage but dont think tan gives any defensive value whole the others do? If they all sim about the same dps then would ea fv be better because they also have def value?
fringe mural
okay so with an actual haste rating of 1298 (my rating rn), my haste flask is already only 90% effective for the most part
plush tendon
Tan vs fv vs ea. I get you can sim it for damage but dont think tan gives any de...
I wouldnt look at TaN is this example
its on a different tier of talents
TaN should be compared to other talent in its tier
lofty warren
I thought nimchomp said its between tan fv ea
plush tendon
you might run into pathing problems
dusty orchid
They're all in final tier
plush tendon
I assume this is because you want to take something like LS or bloodsurge or whatever right?
dusty orchid
I think he wants indom
plush tendon
yea, to take indom you have to forgo either EA or FV
lusty grotto
BSV and indom are FV/EA swaps
plush tendon
TaN wont work
lusty grotto
yes it would
lofty warren
Indom and bsv are locked in.
Choice is what to drop between ea, tan, fv
lofty warren
Ok i removed it
hollow patio
So EA is 88 haste rating (if you are already above cap it's technically a bit more I guess) and 3% is like 56 str? (Idk how much strength we are at right now but someone posted 1880->1936).
If we would have more strength then fv would be better I guess since 1 point str > 1 point haste
undone beacon
Oh yeah its myth crest time
lusty grotto
you have 2 options for LS
lofty warren
If tan, ea, fv all sim about the same then would it be correct to drop tan since it doesnt give defensive value?
lusty grotto
you drop EA, or you drop a rage talent (which means you will have to go frothing in the class tree)
dusty orchid
If tan, ea, fv all sim about the same then would it be correct to drop tan since...
If pure tankiness is the goal (it shouldn't be) you drop TaN and fv
lusty grotto
TaN has no defensive value
plush tendon
Oh yeah its myth crest time
wish I could send myth crests to my alts
lusty grotto
FV's value is a little bit of parry + some indirect contribution to armor via Vanguard
EA's defensive value is haste->SB cd (basically not even considerable given Heavy Rep) and stam
fringe mural
i mean what are we even discussing here, for low keys just go full dps
for high keys it depends on whether you don't time it (more dps) or you die (more tankyness)
lusty grotto
the defensive contributions of these two talents (EA and FV) are kind of silly to talk about
its not that deep
plush tendon
damn, this is the longest skyhold has talked about warrior stuff instead of nonsense in a while
hollow patio
FV's value is a little bit of parry + some indirect contribution to armor via Va...
Does the crit increase from FV increase parry?
fringe mural
damn, this is the longest skyhold has talked about warrior stuff instead of nons...
we can, doesn't mean we always have to 😛
hollow patio
Ignore my question. I can't read
lusty grotto
youre dropping talents for a very debatable defensive gain (indom/LS) and a huge one (BSV)... and youre trying to figure out which one youre dropping has the most defensive contribution, this is ridiculous
lusty grotto
Does the crit increase from FV increase parry?
sure, and so does the Strength gain
lofty warren
This is what i was thinking with frothing equipped
undone beacon
You go for it pepega
lusty grotto
thats fine
undone beacon
Go make us proud
lofty warren
If I wanted last stand what would I drop
fringe mural
your pants
lusty grotto
TaN
fringe mural
If I wanted last stand what would I drop
TaN
plush tendon
If I wanted last stand what would I drop
this is prob the build youd want to run
fringe mural
yeah, maximum indom gain
lofty warren
this is prob the build youd want to run
No tan and no last stand where did that point go
fringe mural
for more rage for indom
plush tendon
I still dont quite understand the point of LS
lusty grotto
i dont play LS
fringe mural
it's useful for npx
plush tendon
seems fairly pointless to me still
fringe mural
that's it
lusty grotto
not really
lusty grotto
i dont kite that pull
kiting = loss of dps
its a lust pull
if your healer isnt good, thats on them
fringe mural
you just don't get hit unless you have them all
lusty grotto
key dead because healer didnt know they had to heal the tank
fringe mural
so no early stacks
plush tendon
healer should be able to keep you up; lust+all cds
fringe mural
true
lofty warren
Weird this wcl heat map thing is showing 87% wars use indom but only 32% bloodsurge and only 47% on frothing
plush tendon
Weird this wcl heat map thing is showing 87% wars use indom but only 32% bloodsu...
gimping themselves
fringe mural
why is that weird
lusty grotto
the only things you can do to help is
- ask for a RoP
- Shockwave
- SR on cd
lone turret
guys should i replace my crafted shield? i have 25% haste (892 haste)
plush tendon
why play Indom, but not take the coresponding talents to feed it
tacit smelt
do you guys SW the peck or the screech on Crawth in AA?
undone beacon
guys should i replace my crafted shield? i have 25% haste (892 haste)
yes, myth > crafted for shields
lusty grotto
guys should i replace my crafted shield? i have 25% haste (892 haste)
yes myth tracks is better than crafted
undone beacon
put the embel on something else like wrists or cloak
harsh trellis
do you guys SW the peck or the screech on Crawth in AA?
You can if its up send it
lofty warren
pepega, repeat after me:
STATISTICS INCLUDE THE DUMB PEOPLE
I think those stats are specific to only the best ppl?
plush tendon
do you guys SW the peck or the screech on Crawth in AA?
SW peck, SR Screech
Screech is nature damage I believe
lone turret
4 ilvl is better than 40 haste?
fringe mural
what makes you think that people timing high keys are smart?
undone beacon
4 ilvl is better than 40 haste?
Yes
lofty warren
It says top 100 break down
undone beacon
Get haste on other pieces
tacit smelt
SW peck, SR Screech
thats what i've been doing, but i've heard someone only SW the screech which was so confusing to me
harsh trellis
do you guys SW the peck or the screech on Crawth in AA?
What level key because I haven't had any issues with that mechanic all season
undone beacon
Shield ilvl is king
plush tendon
thats what i've been doing, but i've heard someone only SW the screech which was...
seems like a misuse of CDs
undone beacon
thats what i've been doing, but i've heard someone only SW the screech which was...
Lots of people are silly and wrong, see pepega
lusty grotto
4 ilvl is better than 40 haste?
4 ilvl means more block
fringe mural
how many of those top 100 are math majors
plush tendon
I know some people just call for "Wall" to mean a general defensive
tacit smelt
What level key because I haven't had any issues with that mechanic all season
doing a 20, was just wondering because eomeone dis the inverse
harsh trellis
doing a 20, was just wondering because eomeone dis the inverse
On a 20. Definitely
fringe mural
and did calculate rage gain/sec/mob
harsh trellis
Shield wall isn't an oh shit I better use this thing
undone beacon
This is pepega reading through all the data aggregation sites
lusty grotto
doing a 20, was just wondering because eomeone dis the inverse
are bleeds magic? what is SR gonna do against them? kinda common sense here
lofty warren
how many of those top 100 are math majors
Ok maybe they didnt math it but maybe not taking the synergy talent is ok because there are other things with bigger value
lusty grotto
spoiler: SR MDR does jack shit against bleeds
plush tendon
yea, it makes more sense to SW the bleed and then use SR on screech. If you Wall the Screech, you wont have anything for the bleed
harsh trellis
I wish I knew about that skyreach first bird pull sooner.
plush tendon
again, it may be a diction issue cause the call "Use Wall" can just mean use a defensive
harsh trellis
Going to give that a shot tonight
tacit smelt
My defensive rotation on Crawth is BS first bleed, SR every screech, SW 2nd bleed, rinse repeat
lusty grotto
BS?
lusty grotto
oh
undone beacon
Battle Shout
plush tendon
if you have a Aug or are dwarf you can also use those as CDs for the bleed
dusty orchid
Battle shout best defensive
plush tendon
remember that being huge in DF
fringe mural
Ok maybe they didnt math it but maybe not taking the synergy talent is ok becaus...
look you need to calculate the healing done by for example field dressing vs the indom extra heal from frothing
but also for that extra rage you get more ip casts
etc
it's just not really doable
so many factors
plush tendon
Ok maybe they didnt math it but maybe not taking the synergy talent is ok becaus...
the value of LS is questionable
at least to me
maybe someone more intune to high key prot war pushing like Sense would know why
but I just dont get it
lofty warren
30% heal and more stamina means not die. There is your value
fringe mural
it's the 10% more hp that might keep you from dropping dead from battle axe hits in aa for example or the like
plush tendon
why make your major CD stronger? Is there any point?
fringe mural
before your healer can pull you up again
lusty grotto
LS is just taken as a way to minimize mistakes in higher keys