protection

[fringe mural]

the on hit debuffs

[jagged pier]

And take more damage in general

[fringe mural]

crit gives more parry than versa gives dr right?

[jagged pier]

I mean sure i guess

Can u can get more crit% for few stats

[fringe mural]

and most if not all the danger comes from hits

like actual hits you can parry

even battle axes or not?

[jagged pier]

Well more damage source in all keys is melee

I cant tell the specfics of whats is parriable or not i dont think about it to hard

[fringe mural]

i mean you can look at deaths in keys

Where the light shines bright

that is where the danger is

because people die there all the time

and then you look at those groups and what they do

but yeah nothing wrong with just stacking haste and having a healthy distribution of crit/vers/mastery

[marsh oak]

if I change my loot spec to prot for Chimaerus mythic, will i get a better chance at getting gaze on bonus roll?

[naive ravine]

I mean go into your loot thingy and look

(Yes you have 1 items less)

[pastel summit]

Ye, at last check.

Although guildies have gotten duplicate items trying to swap specs.

[naive ravine]

Yeah the loot pools for diffrentspec are diffrent

So you can get 2 of the samd items when u change it now

[maiden quiver]

Any recommendations for videos/guides for tanking the left side of NPX? Im working my way up into the 16 level and feeling like maybe I could position the circuit seers better

[austere wadi]

Guy on YT called Topicx I believe does a lot of full commentary M+ prot warrior focused vids

[lone wren]

is this good for us? came from the emysary box

[stone tundra]

It has haste

All of it

[ivory tusk]

BiS i believe

[stone tundra]

Ofc

[ivory tusk]

he's good he's pushing 20s..ignore his build in early keys as 1/4 apex

[lone wren]

ok so i stop diging nexus rigns

i also ahve this from bonus roll

so nto goign for set

my war is 0/9 normal

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

[naive ravine]

Im not gonna play sims

Tf you mean

[undone beacon]

Play Paralives then i heard thats good

[naive ravine]

But everyone tells me to sims

[lone wren]

sim probably ignores the absord of ring and amplifies dps of set

[undone beacon]

Theres nothing to sim about the absorb from ring, but it does sim the dps from the ring set

[naive ravine]

But it does not amplify it

[undone beacon]

It doesn’t “amplify” anything though

It just sims it as it is

[naive ravine]

Maybe its time to go back to classic

[plush tendon]

most like the ring from Lura + the new cantrip ring from the flex raid will be BiS

Lura ring has good haste+extra socket (hard to beat a extra socket)

[naive ravine]

For an insane dps increase of?

1%

[undone beacon]

I can see that. That ring will be juice for thane

[plush tendon]

and the .7 ring drop will be 298 or something

[undone beacon]

298 and a cantrip that procs off TB?

Very nice

[plush tendon]

as of today, I would run the two nexus point rings together

if both on Myth track

[naive ravine]

Is the rest of the gear in the .7 raid still 298

?

[plush tendon]

yes

[undone beacon]

Yep

[plush tendon]

all of the gear from the raid is 298

so instantly BiS in all slots it drops

which is quite annoying tbh

[naive ravine]

Yeah I still think we will be able to upgrade the rest of our gear to 298

[undone beacon]

No indication that we'll get that so

Unlikely

[naive ravine]

I cant imagine the backlash from the players when they are required to do the new raid to reach max power

[plush tendon]

unlikely, but not impossible

[naive ravine]

Other then trinkets

[undone beacon]

Oh no I have to do the new content to get new gear

[naive ravine]

It will probably be like
Blizzard: Look its rly easy to get your gear
Palyer: I DONT WANT TO RAID FOR 298 CHEST GRRRR

[plush tendon]

I dont mind doing new content to get gear

but my cool Crown neck becomes not BiS

[undone beacon]

They can wrest my cool crown neck from my cold dead hands

[plush tendon]

I have to get two rando slots

[undone beacon]

Stupid healing neck

[plush tendon]

the trinket I can prob ignore, unless its better then Gaze+Plume

[undone beacon]

298 secondary proc trinket, I have a feeling it’s gonna be pretty good for everyone

[plush tendon]

but that boss is basically gonna be, run this guy once a week and bonus roll him

and its not even gonna be a hard boss

a CE guild is prob gonna kill it within a dozen pulls at most

[undone beacon]

Yeah it doesnt look too crazy from the PTR

[dusky canopy]

likely you will equip all available items purely for the ilvl

[naive ravine]

Thats litterally gaze

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

all the good trinkets are just stat sticks

Gaze, Plume, Heart

[undone beacon]

Gaze is not a secondary proc 4head

[plush tendon]

its a primary stat stick

[dusky canopy]

[undone beacon]

Its a primary proc

[plush tendon]

[naive ravine]

Its still a stat stick

[tribal wharf]

i dont totally hate it

[undone beacon]

I wonder if they're gonna do HoF Sporefall

[tribal wharf]

look at that beast of a car

[dusky canopy]

dont see why not

maybe no due to flex? idk

[undone beacon]

No achieve for it on PTR

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/foster-home-cartoon-network-cheese-toons-see-gif-24853250

[undone beacon]

Theres not even a CE for Sporefall rn though

[dusky canopy]

hmm

maybe its just a loot piñata

[undone beacon]

I could see them not doing it because its a late season raid with flex

[plush tendon]

essentially a loot pinata

[undone beacon]

so its just a go in and beat him up for free upgrades for lura

[plush tendon]

and seeing if flex mythic can work

which I would be SOOOO down for

[naive ravine]

Ive put a raider io profile up to find a guild, the chances of finding a guild as tank seem to be not that good

Life of a tank I guess

Desired in m+, not needed in Raid

[lone wren]

but can pugs kill him if 90

90% of curent pugs have isues in mythic chimerus

[final jackal]

Just got the second ring from seat… do we like the set or should I eventually go for something better?

[undone beacon]

We dont care about the seat ring set

[naive ravine]

Haste all the way

[plush tendon]

if you want to tank for a guild, you need to actively look

its one of the harder roles to get into for most guilds

[final jackal]

Ok so Im better off crafting a ring with haste eventually? I dont mythic raid

[naive ravine]

Yeah, I used to play tank in m+ and raid as dps

[plush tendon]

picking up the double set from Nexus Point is prob best

[naive ravine]

But im tired of diffrent sets all the time

[lone wren]

is not most guild rossters are leaded by a tnak that jsut makes the guild from scratch?

[undone beacon]

Not really

[plush tendon]

its really just a numbers game

there are only 2 tanks in any raid team

and guilds, rather then recruit a rando, prob have access to other people who can tank

if one decides to quit

[naive ravine]

Yeah, no ones cares about tanks doing good numbers

(Atleast in the higher wr)

[plush tendon]

I mean, they 100% care

[naive ravine]

Tank live, raid good

[undone beacon]

Thats not what augusto means about a numbers game lmao

[plush tendon]

you need to do good numbers

[undone beacon]

Its a numbers game as in people management

[ivory barn]

I carried a tank os until I told them I'm just gonna perma tank

[plush tendon]

you need to live, you need to position boss, do your mechanics and learn the fight quickly

[naive ravine]

I have seen up to wr 500ish that tanks are performing ver poor but its okay for the raid lead

[stone tundra]

1 tank per 10 player vs 1 per 5 in dungeon

Depends on what "poor" actually entails

[jagged pier]

Becauae all they nees to do is live

Which is terrible to do or strive for

[plush tendon]

just dont impede prog

[jagged pier]

I impeded prog by over aggroing other tanks

While still not dying

[naive ravine]

I hate that mindset and how common its is

😠

[plush tendon]

I mean, thats the role? and, in the long run is whats gonna help kill the boss

[naive ravine]

The role is to not die and do as much dmg as possible tho

[plush tendon]

having wipes due to tank issues is just flat out unacceptable

[naive ravine]

And enable your dps to do as much as they can

[plush tendon]

you right, thats all it is

position boss, do the tank mechanic of the fight, dont die, do damage

that is it

[undone beacon]

having wipes due to tank issues is just flat out unacceptable

[naive ravine]

Having a 0,5% wipe cuz the tanks doesnt give a fuck about his dmg is also a no go, but who would immediatly think its the tanks fault for the wipe if he didnt die

[plush tendon]

depends on how the .5 wipe came to be; for Liquid they had to milk every drop of DPS to kill Lura

for people progging Lura right now, damage is such a non issue

you dont even do the second move in P3

so if you wipe at .5%, a mechanical issue is the cause

not a tank min/max damage

[ocean smelt]

Well that's in good part because your parse is actually not an indication of how well you perform in raid as a tank

[stone tundra]

Most of the time you kill bosses by surviving longer than then

[naive ravine]

Idk I always play with the mindset to do as much as I can to kill the boss

[stone tundra]

Yes, right mindset

But a good dps parse is not always the best measute

[fringe mural]

also if you minmax as a tank

[stone tundra]

Same as dps parses to an extend

[fringe mural]

you squeeze out like what, 10-20k?

[ocean smelt]

Right, if you can do big damages, bring it, it's just far from being what actually makes the difference

Positionning is gonna provide much more damages than whatever your can squeeze out of your own single target

[naive ravine]

I mean even as a tank parse is atleast somewhat an indication of how good you are, since dps is tied to defensiveness

[fringe mural]

if a dps minmaxes the difference will be 50k+

depending on spec

[stone tundra]

And if you found all the pad

[naive ravine]

That could be a dead boss

[fringe mural]

it could be, but a tank has to put in way more effort to squeeze in 10 k than a dps has to squeeze in for 30

and the 30 matter triple

[plush tendon]

sure, a good tank parse means they prob know how to play their class

[naive ravine]

That is indeed true, but not a reason not to try

[plush tendon]

or it means they are padding somewhere

it can mean a lot of things

but, by in large, for most guilds, tank damage absolutley does not matter

[naive ravine]

Yeah like i said, to an extend it show how good you are

[plush tendon]

getting clean pulls and getting further into prog fights is all that matters

[naive ravine]

Parses are not everything

[fringe mural]

the only point where it matters is to kick dps that are lower than the tank

[plush tendon]

and thats all guilds care about when looking for tanks; people who are consistent

[coarse bay]

Imo tank parse means nothing, but a good tank will generally have decent parses

[plush tendon]

im just talking from a CE perspective

[naive ravine]

All this talk making me want to dps again

[plush tendon]

where the expectation of DPS is that they are doing as much damage as they can

[fringe mural]

don't CE guilds kick dps that are lower than their tank?

[coarse bay]

I mean

[stone tundra]

CE guilds dont have that

[plush tendon]

CE guilds dont have dps that are below tanks

[coarse bay]

They wouldnt have a dps that is that bad

[stone tundra]

I hope

[plush tendon]

its a non issue

[coarse bay]

In the first place

[fringe mural]

you'd be surprised

[stone tundra]

[fringe mural]

friends of raidlead

[plush tendon]

Id be shocked; and, if they do, its prob a bench guy

[naive ravine]

Also arent like all the tanks for the high high guilds dps that now play tank?

[fringe mural]

girlfriends of raidlead

rl friends

[plush tendon]

its a very common thing for DPS to transition to tank

[coarse bay]

That would be like a rwl kinda thing if at all

[plush tendon]

I did

[fringe mural]

of course not for top guilds

but for semi-progress raid guilds that's a thing

you don't have to be full on pro to kill myth chim for example

or have all dps deal exceptional dmg

[plush tendon]

yea, but Mythic Chim was dead week 1 for most good guilds

[coarse bay]

I dont really count chim as a ce guild

[plush tendon]

its not really a fight I consider worth much

[stone tundra]

I dont think the low dps will be capeable of interupting properly

[naive ravine]

So is there even any realistic chance that you can climb in wr as a tank player

Without just doing tank off spec

[plush tendon]

its harder for sure

[coarse bay]

For sure

[plush tendon]

much easier for DPS to climb world ranks

[coarse bay]

Its much easier for you to establish yourself as reliable as a dps first though

[plush tendon]

more spots in a raid team, higher guilds are always filling out a roster of more DPS to compete

[fringe mural]

i'd say you have to have higher keys than is usual for your meta

and then show people look at me i'm awesome

[coarse bay]

Networking through high keys can help, but isnt needed

[naive ravine]

Also probably a big downside that I took like 2 or 3 tiers off

[fringe mural]

not about networking, but if you don't have ce logs to show them, you can show them you can push through it

by showing them you went through the trenches

[plush tendon]

naw, networking is de way

[coarse bay]

I dont think many ce guilds will take a 0 exp tank tbh

Theyd rather a dps roll tank

U get introduced through m+ network not by io

[fringe mural]

once the season is running for sure

[coarse bay]

U have a raider say “hey this guy’s good and he’s cool”

[fringe mural]

the other two tanks have to either quit

or one be downright bad

[naive ravine]

I had a guy say the opposite cuz the season b4 we did a weekly key and he didnt like the way I played in that key

[undone beacon]

shoulda played the key better ig

[coarse bay]

[naive ravine]

That was also the pala that held his 30 second wings on broodtwister ovinax for 25 seconds

To pad on adds

[plush tendon]

or not want to tank anymore XD

[coarse bay]

If all u care about is wr then just keep yourself listed and you’ll get people reaching out

[fringe mural]

or that

what also works is

you apply as dps

[plush tendon]

can also browse the recruitment discord

[fringe mural]

and then you are the dps that steps in when their tank is on vacation

[plush tendon]

bet there are some guilds looking for a tank right now

[coarse bay]

Ya there’s always opportunities

[plush tendon]

but you 100% have to actively search as a tank

good DPS get poached

but tanks gotta try a bit more to get a shot

[naive ravine]

I rewatched an older video of maximum saying that its not rly good to only play tank in raids

That in his opinion you dont get better as a player by doing that

[raven snow]

Guys what is your fav part abt tanking? I’m a lifetime dps switching to tank trying to find fun in it.. but I can’t get any dopamine boost from tanking

[naive ravine]

I love getting hit

[fringe mural]

pull more

[coarse bay]

It wont usually have the dopamine of a dps tbh lol

Its either for you or it isnt tbh

[crisp ocean]

watch mdi and try to do their pulls in pugs and then blame it on the healer

[fringe mural]

why would a dps give you dopamine, there's no real danger in being one, you just don't stand in shit

[naive ravine]

Having the feeling of power and control

[coarse bay]

Dopamine isnt from danger

Its from popping off

Big dam

Fun cds

[fringe mural]

i thought that is from thrill

[crisp ocean]

do more dmg than a dps and call him a noob

[coarse bay]

Beating other people

[glacial stratus]

when playing itf im at around 46% haste, is this/is there a thing as too much haste when playing itf?

[fringe mural]

okay that's actually pretty sad

[naive ravine]

You need to look at flat stat

Not %

[glacial stratus]

1303 with flask

[harsh trellis]

Dopamine comes from timing keys as close to 100% and not going over too much

[plush tendon]

ITF gets better with more haste

[naive ravine]

And defensive wise there cant be enough haste

[plush tendon]

since its a flat % of haste

[harsh trellis]

When dps butt pulls and goes lol. I rage

[plush tendon]

and bypasses diminishing returns

[fringe mural]

that's too little to reliably switch to itf unless you really know what you're doing

[plush tendon]

you want at least 1188 haste unbuffed

[fringe mural]

you're under 1188 unbuffed

[plush tendon]

but you still keep on stacking haste past that point

[jagged pier]

U will still have gaps even with that haste

U need to play correctly to have effective uptime etc

[fringe mural]

meh

playing correctly is lame

we want to use that cursed larias macro

[jagged pier]

[glacial stratus]

👀 what macro?

[vocal junco]

Looks like ITF is preference. sense, bobas are using itf but topicx and pika are hr.

[naive ravine]

Its not about prefrence

One does more dmg

While the other doesnt

The one with less dmg provides you wigh 100% sb uptime

[crisp ocean]

1133 haste do I go into the fray?

[naive ravine]

Are you good?

[crisp ocean]

maybe

[naive ravine]

Then maybe change

[plush tendon]

ITF for raid/comfortable keys

Id keep using HR for harder prog keys though

even if you reach the 1188 point

[naive ravine]

Just tell your healer to man up

[crisp ocean]

okay ty

[plush tendon]

ITF is decent damage boost but HR allows you to shut your brain off regarding SB maint

and, for a hard key, that is prob better then managing SB when you have a bunch of other stuff going on in your brain

[ivory barn]

I think I switched to it once this xpac so far

[blazing shuttle]

I'm at that point. Still use HR. It just feels right.

[harsh trellis]

Last boss in Mt needs to be fixed for charge classes.

[lone wren]

Only tier set price missing is chest and boes are like 140k I think k I ll get ther instead of wasting rolls for it no? Already wasting insane amount of rolls for hands in shaman

[harsh trellis]

If its myth track, sure Then you can catalyst it.

[undone beacon]

I mean, what else are you rolling on

[lone wren]

Rings.
2 hander to try dps
Neck
Feet

[harsh trellis]

2 hander you can craft and then put that void thingy on it short term

[undone beacon]

If you want to spend the gold on a boe then thats your perrogative but it seems silly regardless

[harsh trellis]

Do you raid at all?

[lone wren]

But crazy is 80 crests
Upgrade to max is 50 crests ( alt)

[lone wren]

Nop

[undone beacon]

Crests are uncapped so you can just keep farming them

[harsh trellis]

Crests are uncapped

[lone wren]

Play time is not

[harsh trellis]

👍

[vale escarp]

You could roll to get a socket on the Item or an extra stat

[plush tendon]

if you are going for Gaze, the tier piece that could drop is chest

[final jackal]

Yeah at this point fully gearing an alt requires an insane amount of M+ runs

[undone beacon]

I havent seen a bonus rolled item come with a tert yet, but even then its a pretty slim chance and not worth doing unless you're otherwise gear capped

[final jackal]

Im out of bonus rolls 🙁

[heavy sparrow]

kinda doing that rn - started M+s and it takes a bit to climb your own key to a 10, and once you got that down it's basically 1 run = 1 mythic track piece

[final jackal]

If you have myth of the dawn yeah

[heavy sparrow]

you're kind of huffing & puffin it tho

[lone wren]

Other season I did don’t enjoy raid ranking not doing even normal raid levels en more mythic

[lone wren]

This and that with a 50 percent discount in crests

[vale escarp]

6 of my Bonus Roll items got avoidance or a socket, seems like i got lucky

[undone beacon]

Damn, quite

[plush tendon]

thats fair; if you dont like raid, you dont have to do it

Ive come full circle

[heavy sparrow]

I bet you have a shnazzy 200 avoidance

[lone wren]

In the was I have speed bonus rolls trinket.
On the shaman I have avoidance dagger from bonus roll

[plush tendon]

went from M+ is the best content and raid is loot funnel for M+

to raid being more fun

[undone beacon]

Maybe im just unlucky then, unfortunate

[lone wren]

Problem is m+ gearing is so easy and quick that raid is kind of not worth and many many bad pigs even for hc groups

[plush tendon]

I disagree; early on, raid is 100% superior to M+

[heavy sparrow]

a lot of first 2 bosses 1 and done it groups for heroic raid (myself included)

[lone wren]

Liek season 1 tww and set was easier to do a pug for first 4 mythic than time some of the 10s

[plush tendon]

usually better trinkets, more Myth drops, higher I level gear (and therefore crest saves), faster tier set

its only after this bonus roll system + uncapped crests does M+ gearing get good

[vale escarp]

Yes, it's just 206 from my lucky bonus rolls + 2 sockets

[lone wren]

If you do not have a fixed raid and depends on pugs killing a few myth Boses is harder that fill your vault

If you have a guild raid proving myth then it is a good reliable loot thing

[vale escarp]

Fill the vault for what? Only thing I need is 2 more sockets

[echo egret]

so, once again i died to "only" two spellbound battleaxes. Here's the report of that pull specifically, what could I have done differently ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NK1nJpQf42dRaCPj?fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=1
I died too fast to even press my 2nd shield wall

(it's a +17 btw)

[heavy sparrow]

damn dude - out of curiosity, how much damage reduction is that

[vale escarp]

Cant rly check now, I'm at work atm

[plush tendon]

Maybe Im reading this wrong, but for a solid 4 seconds the only defensive you had up was Shield Block

which is fine, but the Spellbound Weapon is magic

did you not have any extra rage for a IP?

regardless, the damage intake is too high to be taking raw magic hits like that; either you have a CD there, a external or you kite (or healer just pumps heals into you)

cuase you are just chilling at low health taking 100k shots

[lone wren]

Did you even got healed?

[plush tendon]

hes getting some small passive healing

[lone wren]

Maybe the monk did not have many targets to pump

Yeah healer problem there

[plush tendon]

could be

brooo

the monk pressed life cacoon once in the whole dungeon XD

[lone wren]

Alien color healer class is flavor of the month

Do not play with flavor of the month people

[plush tendon]

Monk just needed to press cacoon on you

especially if you had nothing available

oh wait, this log is only of that one pull

[undone beacon]

wait who logs one pull

[plush tendon]

so I guess monk did press life cacoon at 15 seconds on the fury

but yea, you were just natty tanking battleaxes with no meaningful mitagation up

[echo egret]

I hear you. I could have done a bit more. Busy pulling the far away ravagers.
But I also hear there's a healer problem.
I also think the DPs didn't kill one battle axe I marked with a skull on purpose

[final jackal]

I need to look up a logging guide, I tried the live logging last night on the warcraft logs/archon app and nothing was logged

[plush tendon]

also, what happened here

[frosty mango]

As a monk main cocoon is up literally every pull if you are not sending it at the start of every pull on the tank you are absolutely trolling

[plush tendon]

looks like a backshot

[echo egret]

could be

[plush tendon]

yea, you only blocked 86% of melees taken

in that minute window

[plush tendon]

for sure; battleaxes are super scary for Prot War

was this a pug?

[echo egret]

I can only pug, due to twin 7yo real-life comittments 🙂

[echo egret]

And i see people pull 4 in the same pack...

[echo egret]

I checked the "whole run" : only 3 casts from start to there (the 1st trash pull after Bird boss)

[ivory barn]

You got... Clapped

[ivory barn]

My mw monk friend will throw it totally randomly on me lol

[lunar haven]

Id love it if one of you fine folks could look at my death in this NPX and suggest a fix. Thanks in advance!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w3f7ycrv1tRDALdQ

[frosty mango]

I send it every pull on the tank at the start

[plush tendon]

maybe Im reading the log wrong, but on your death it shows you didnt get a single point of healing for 20 seconds

[frosty mango]

It’s insanely strong as a cooldown ESPECIALLY paired with how rem functions

[lunar haven]

It's all going into a heal absorb, I believe. Healer seemed fine

[lofty warren]

Died to heal absorb

[ivory barn]

Like I'll pop wall and it's sent anyway

[plush tendon]

Im pretty sure thats supposed to be healed off though right?

cause to me it looks like his death was just him dying over 20 seconds with 0 direct heals

[lone wren]

Can I macro ignore pain with other habilities?

[mighty valley]

No, don't do that

[naive ravine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w3f7ycrv1tRDALdQ?fight=1&type=healing&target=8&source=9&start=370673&end=401014

I think the healer does not know that the debuff from the Heal absorb stacks and never 100% healed it off

The moment he died he had 40% ish armor reduction on him

[undone beacon]

You can also help drop the stacks and let the absorb fall off by kiting. The debuff is applied on melees

[naive ravine]

You can help by not getting a new one

But I dont think that warrior has enoguh healing to get rid off it by itself rly

[undone beacon]

Which is why you slow and backpedal

Give the healer time to get the debuff off

Which is what I said silly

[plush tendon]

I mean, It seemed like he had 20 seconds to get it off

[naive ravine]

I mean he had the debuff for 30 seconds

How much time does the healer need?

[undone beacon]

If the debuff is being constantly reapplied because you've got a bunch of shadowguards, it can be a lot

Looks like it was three defenders and an arcanist when they went down

[naive ravine]

I have 4

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w3f7ycrv1tRDALdQ?fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=8&ability=1&target=17&start=369025&end=402970&options=4134

[undone beacon]

The 4th was dead like 30 seconds before tank died but regardless, 3-4 defenders is a lot of heal absorb

3 healthy defenders and an arcanist at time of death

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w3f7ycrv1tRDALdQ?fight=1&type=auras&view=events&start=85347&end=1831060&source=8&ability=871

Also this makes me think shield wall was avaliable when he died at 5:14

[plush tendon]

why didnt you give him PI

[lone wren]

I had a healer not know that in a 10 and got to 11 stacks but in a 17?

[undone beacon]

[lone wren]

What helar was it?

[naive ravine]

Idk judging from the replay it seemed like he wasnt facetanking them either

[lofty warren]

Same with rally it was available

[naive ravine]

I just kinda think the Heal pala does not know how serious those mobs are

[naive ravine]

Shut up

[undone beacon]

The replay shows him exactly facetanking them tho

[autumn roost]

Wait until you see the new version of it

[undone beacon]

Like he's just standing there

[naive ravine]

He is not full on kiting but facetanking

[undone beacon]

menacingly

[naive ravine]

Idk

[undone beacon]

He's not moving at all

[autumn roost]

It's what all the top warriors named Larias are using

[naive ravine]

Wdym

[undone beacon]

He looks like he's in melee range of the defenders the whole time

[naive ravine]

He start even hard kiting at 50% health

[undone beacon]

i.e. facetanking them

I'm watching it, it looks like he's stepping back and then going right back into melee

[lofty warren]

No rally. Not that it is super strong but still its a defensive that was available at time of death. Haven't looked for potion

[undone beacon]

The replay feature in logs though is a little hard to parse at times but, looks to me like more could've been done by both tank and healer. Alas

[naive ravine]

Yeah for sure

I mean looking at the cast of the pala he found the time to cast shield of the rightous

while his tank was half hp

[undone beacon]

Not saying its all tanks fault or healer was perfect but its also bad practice to just go "healer issue" and not see if theres ways to improve personal play as well

[lofty warren]

Can check if any of the mellee swings he was taking before death were not reduced with shield block (because backshot)?

[naive ravine]

I mean you basically can always just run

But then your dps will suffer

Pepega makes me so angry

[undone beacon]

Don't know about UDK too much but aug and shadow shouldnt care

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-capybara-ai-hamster-ai-capybara-ai-animal-gif-16653921845052284058

[undone beacon]

Shadow def doesnt care

[naive ravine]

I guess thats true

Oh nvm

Unholy has death and decay that they need in aoe

Atleast thast what i heard

[autumn roost]

Pash I did update it

[undone beacon]

Oh boy

[coarse bay]

Does uhdk care about a pack moving? Not that much

[undone beacon]

holy peak

[autumn roost]

I don't forget to pot anymore

[undone beacon]

Thats what people in the business call efficiency

[ivory barn]

And

[autumn roost]

Activating avatar right before a 12 second stun is annoying though

[undone beacon]

Yeah but you get to be physically larger in the stun

Something nice to look at

[autumn roost]

My female panda looks very good

[lone wren]

If you are a Tauren

[undone beacon]

June trading post is tauren themed

Thats neat

[lofty warren]

What stuns you for 12 seconds

[autumn roost]

Lura p2 transition

[frosty mango]

seems like you played right here, your healer definitely didn't do you any favors

you ate a lot of debuff stacks and you had a lot of kite room, so standing there and taking it to the face was probably not the best choice, at 10 stacks if the mobs are still alive its probably a safe bet to run

that being said if you look at your hp graph aligned with his output graph, its apparent he was not paying attention

his graph is low and then spikes so its likely he was not aware of the debuff and didnt prep for it, got behind, and you fell over

[lofty warren]

He also had shield wall and rally available at time of death as far as i see

Shield wall = less damage incoming... if he was planning to face tank all the debuffs

[frosty mango]

he cast it at 3:23 the first time and died at 5:14 so good chance it was not back up

probably close

he spent ~910 rage in that window which would be 45s cdr, if he used it at 3:23 then conservatively it would have been back up after 2m 15s which is 5:37, about 20 seconds after he died

20s is a large widow for margin of error so I doubt it was up

[lofty warren]

He has 2x charges though

[frosty mango]

yes and he used them both, he used the first one at 3:23

[lofty warren]

This isnt why you died but maybe replacing puzzle box with myth gays or myth heart of ancient hunger would benefit. I know you get damage amp on right wing boss but usually have to go through 2x yellow beam cycles before kill anyway

[tribal wharf]

1 more to fill vault

2 more to 298

MADGE

INEFFICIENT

[plush tendon]

you know, we were so far off the 1% title cutoff

its already 3700+

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt

[plush tendon]

prob gets to 3800+ at least

[lusty grotto]

it'll keep rising especially after next patch

[plush tendon]

especially with another borrowed power system

[lofty warren]

Even if ended now have to time all 19s or something? Seems like a big hill to climb for not big enough carrot

[harsh trellis]

We get more power at 12.0.7 right?

[lofty warren]

There's a borrowed power in 12.7 no idea how big plus raid loot is bigger ilvl

[harsh trellis]

What borrowed power?

[lusty grotto]

the omnium folio

• the new items from the new raid

[harsh trellis]

Wish we could slap embellishments on max level items

Or have crafted gear be at least max level

This new thing looks cool, just like our capes by the look of it

[lofty warren]

Will aluminum folio work in 12.1 or only 12.0.7?

[lusty grotto]

12.1 is season 2, so no

In other news my bulking is going well

[plush tendon]

woo!

https://tenor.com/view/fat-kid-confused-what-is-what-what-to-eat-first-gif-16755822143795565270

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/obese-boy-obesity-overhang-fat-belly-fat-guy-gif-6735425774747732271

[drifting rampart]

they said in their post it will be around for the whole expac

[toxic pewter]

wat it even do

[drifting rampart]

random fuckass damage and healing procs

[toxic pewter]

big dam?

[drifting rampart]

idk if its been tested, probably a couple %

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty grotto]

Available could mean fuck all, cyrces ring was also available and the rest of the .7 shit as well

[coarse bay]

It being a mount is already more than 0.1% title gets

[lusty grotto]

Doesn't mean it'll have an impact

[drifting rampart]

yeah but that was a piece of gear you replace

I honestly dont need my logs and details clogged up with 8 extra damage entires with ugly animations on my character

id be okay with it not existing at all

[lusty grotto]

Making it expansion wide makes 0 sense, might as well not put it in

[lofty warren]

The folio won't be replaced by gear right? Like its added power that you have all xpac?

[lusty grotto]

It's not tied to gear, no

[coarse bay]

Wait its entire expansion?

[drifting rampart]

we'll get a better idea when patch hits i suppose.

Maybe it was stupid wording

[coarse bay]

If it’s entire expansion just give everyone an aura buff

[drifting rampart]

right

[lusty grotto]

Sounds more like temu borrowed power, which is concerning

[drifting rampart]

Unless they want to add random extra nodes every season

so instead of a new borrowed power item every season, its new folio powers

[lusty grotto]

That's exactly what it sounds like what they'll do

[lunar haven]

Thanks! Good tips @plush tendon @lofty warren @naive ravine @undone beacon @frosty mango

[lofty warren]

I would like it if it did role specific stuff like for tanks it gives them a free cheat death or like 10% dr, for dps 5% more dps, for healers some % that healers want

[drifting rampart]

hmm they could even make it into a cape

[lusty grotto]

Or a belt

Or a ring

[drifting rampart]

and then what if there were boots that enhanced the cape!

[plush tendon]

I hope we get a legendary shield this expansion

[coarse bay]

Would actually be a good idea

[lusty grotto]

Would it

[coarse bay]

I mean

Not really

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[lofty warren]

Legendary shield but it can be obtained by something that is not raid

[coarse bay]

Just a ppal/pwar season

With shaman healers

Maybe they can do legendaries that are just mogs

And itll be the same as any mog

[lusty grotto]

Given the acquisition of the.... checks notes legendary items excluding late legion... I wouldn't really want yet another try at legendary items

[coarse bay]

True

They were massive problems, but still very fun and cool individually

[lusty grotto]

And I do mean all of them, early legion, SL, evoker leggo, fyralath

[plush tendon]

Our last lego was what? Fyrakk?

[drifting rampart]

I think they are cool if they are relatively obtainable, and have some weight behind them, but not if your toon just sucks if you get rng fucked

[lofty warren]

I didnt mind SL legendary acquisition but I also didnt mind spending like 20 min doing tor-hast

[drifting rampart]

Like get it, get a cool questline and some lore, bam you got it.

killing fyrakk 10 times and still not getting it, ass.

[fringe mural]

well i liked the legendaries that were team efforts

[coarse bay]

Id rather legion legendaries in design with plentiful acquisition

[fringe mural]

like shadowmourne, tyracgosa, and the other old stuff

[coarse bay]

People had like the 4 max legendaries when they were capped before i had 1-2

[drifting rampart]

This is cool and all in the early days of an mmo. But the game is in a far more competitive state than it used to be. Also a significant portion of the player base do not have static groups they play with

[undone beacon]

Legiondaries

[lusty grotto]

All leggo implementations have been horrid:

• you make it obtainable and they lose the gasp-factor also including balancing classes with the leggo equipped rather than without hint hint fyralath
• make it too hard to acquire or rng based and you're fucked
• make it activity/crafting based and we will hate you for it

None of them will ever work. Keep WoW leggo free.

[lofty warren]

Rng drop legendaries like at the start of legion. I got neck and just unsubbed until the start of bfa

[undone beacon]

Take the crafted shield from paladins and make it legendary methinks

[coarse bay]

Ya wow just cant work with legendaries anymore

With how people play now youd have everyone rolling with 20 mirrors

[lusty grotto]

I'm sure you like it after the fact, but considering the amount of drama involved and the amount of guilds that imploded due to who was getting what... Nah leave leggos where they belong, in Diablo or some shit

[lofty warren]

Tbh I dont care if the item is on a legendary or on a tier set or a talent. Just want the 300% thrash damage treatment for <thespec> i play

[fringe mural]

we didn't really have drama

[toxic pewter]

i need a legendary

[coarse bay]

There is literally always loot related drama

[coarse bay]

You’re legendary

[fringe mural]

we had a mage that was no 1 choice for firelands legendary, we had a druid healer that got ulduar legendary, our long time healer and basically the one who did all the work

[toxic pewter]

[fringe mural]

our shadowmourne guy was the top melee dps by far

[lofty warren]

How much damage % does aluminum folio in 12.0.7 give?

[fringe mural]

i think i didn't even get one single one of them but i was never mad

but i liked the legion legendary system where you would choose 2

depending on preference

[lusty grotto]

youre special

[fringe mural]

i think it was the first time i got a legendary during active content

[lusty grotto]

we had drama for rag, atiesh, glaives

we didnt have drama for valanyr cause we set up 10man groups for it

we had some degree of drama for shadowmourne, and we made 3

nobody gave a real fuck about cataclysm leggos so 🤷‍♂️

[fringe mural]

pandaria was the daggers right?

[lusty grotto]

"oh yeah give the daggers to our only rogue, i guess"

[fringe mural]

and the cloak for everyone

[lusty grotto]

daggers were cata

[dusty orchid]

the only drama we ever experienced was thunderfury way back - don't really remember any other drama

[fringe mural]

Wasn't cata the staff for mages?

[dusty orchid]

only had one rogue to give daggers tho, yeah

[lusty grotto]

we only didnt have drama for tfury cause the bindings were never completed (including mine)

[lusty grotto]

firelands was staff, daggers were deathwing

[lofty warren]

You could ninja loot stuff for shadowmourne so aida

[fringe mural]

ah

and panda was cloak

[lusty grotto]

cloak was an everybody leggo

so 🤷‍♂️

[fringe mural]

like bfa

they did the cloak thing again

but this time farm visions like you mean it for maximum strength

shadowlands was legendary glyphs right?

or skill enhancements from the runesmith

[lusty grotto]

SL was leggo items through torghast/crafting

and then unity later on

also a dogshit system

[fringe mural]

and legion was your favorite?

the pick 2 system

[lusty grotto]

i have no favorites

that was late legion

early legion YOU WERE FUCKED

by RNG

[lofty warren]

Ok. Which one of you is making coluses look better than mt?

[lusty grotto]

early legion and throughout

[fringe mural]

yeah rng early legion was shit

Some people got all, some none

[lusty grotto]

all leggo implementations have been bad, i just said that like 50 lines ago

keep them away from my game

[fringe mural]

and what about artifact weapons?

[coarse bay]

[fringe mural]

did you also loathe those?

just curious

Because i kinda enjoyed them

[coarse bay]

Hero talents are the artifact weapons, AP is crests

[lusty grotto]

what do you think

first of all this is beside the point, cause they are not legendaries

second of all we're entering the realm of "borrowed power"

[naive ravine]

Pls man use your brain

[lusty grotto]

AP grinds

NO FUCKING THANKS

[fringe mural]

oh yeah the grind was stupid

[naive ravine]

Pepega is almost as bad as yogi

[fringe mural]

i forgot about artifact power

[coarse bay]

Yogi and pepega are different

[tribal wharf]

well

i guess i should just vendor it

[fringe mural]

you know i hope to see jin rokh again

[naive ravine]

but not in a good way sadly

[fringe mural]

In 12.1

[lofty warren]

What do you mean? You dont see col on my screenshot?

[tribal wharf]

yogi + pepega = lich king of pwar

[fringe mural]

only because i sold mine before transmogs were introduced

[naive ravine]

The mt on archongg are running 1/4 apex

[tribal wharf]

you dont want to summon that demon

[naive ravine]

losing a majority of their dps

[fringe mural]

still sad

jin rokh looked badass

[lofty warren]

1/4 has been dead for a while i thought

[naive ravine]

It has but there are some chinese "experts"

That still are on that train

[lusty grotto]

"experts"

[naive ravine]

Yeah let me change that

[lofty warren]

Maybe they know something we dont

[lusty grotto]

they dont

[fringe mural]

They see behind the curtain

the talent inside the talent

[lofty warren]

If you remove the 1/4 stuff what number would MT show?

[coarse bay]

Chinese players and teams have always had some different ideas and strategies

[naive ravine]

They imagine the curtain they are looking behind

[coarse bay]

They play specs that just arent that good and force them to work

[fringe mural]

Different being an euphemism

[plush tendon]

you should go to Raiderio and look at their recent keys

[lusty grotto]

first of all idk why we're saying "chinese" when all the chinese prot warriors in high keys are using 4/4

this is an archon.gg aggregate issue

[coarse bay]

Oh i just mean in general

[naive ravine]

I thought they were the one only ones still using them

Then mb

[lusty grotto]

which is why, people are dumb for following archon without context

[coarse bay]

Idc about the colo, 1/4, whatever talk

[naive ravine]

Then legit no one is using them anymore and its archon gg

[fringe mural]

why do we even talk about 1/4 again

We know it's bs

[coarse bay]

We dont

[fringe mural]

we've known for weeks

why is it brought up when not even a newbro asked about it?

is it a pepega thing?

[lusty grotto]

cause pepega cannot stop pasting that log aggregate bullshit he pastes every week

[plush tendon]

seems like the cool new thing is to drop Rav

[fringe mural]

srsly why, ravager is fucking nuts in rage generation

maybe they don't want to accidentally pull with ht ravager procs idk

[coarse bay]

Then theyd use natty ravager

[lusty grotto]

also in revenge/tc damage

but yes primarily in rage intake

[lofty warren]

Didnt know it was legal to drop ravager

[lusty grotto]

its not

straight to jail

[plush tendon]

its legal to do anything

[coarse bay]

A literal crime

[naive ravine]

How much ravager uptime do i lose if play normal rav instead of the proc?

[lusty grotto]

let me tell you all how illegal this build is

[harsh trellis]

I dont think I have ravager on my col build

[lusty grotto]

where is the the rage intake

for your indom

where

[naive ravine]

Byebye 50% revenge dmg

[plush tendon]

another variation

[lusty grotto]

how is indom doing anything without:

• whirling/ravager
• instigate
• bloodsurge

how useless is that pick without any or all of those 3 talents

its literally doing jack shit

[plush tendon]

Sense is running something similar, difference is he went LS>TaN and took the % str over the extra health and haste

[lusty grotto]

we're discussing the one you first posted

not the variations

those at least cover rage intake

in some capacity

[plush tendon]

oh ok

[lusty grotto]

this one is stupidly illegal

[plush tendon]

I was more or less showing, that even with all these other variations people are trying, 1/4 apex is dead

[lusty grotto]

i hope to christ that first build has at least frothing berserker talented

[naive ravine]

Wait why does ravager scale with haste

[harsh trellis]

Oh is that all 1/4 apex?

[naive ravine]

If i hover over the tool tip with more haste it deals the dmg faster?

[plush tendon]

it does not

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[plush tendon]

every top Prot war in their recent high key is playing 4/4

1/4 is dead

[lusty grotto]

straight to the fucking gulag that guy goes

[plush tendon]

well hes Chinese

so the Gulag is just a trip North for him

[harsh trellis]

Right im trying to follow along with what you initially posted are you talking colossus or thane

Or just top io prot builds

[plush tendon]

they are all playing MT

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ca8QhT2z7qpRAFmK?fight=6&type=damage-done

This 21 pit used col and did 126k which is the 2nd highest damage of all the 21 pits

[plush tendon]

and just looking at the literal front page

[harsh trellis]

May 17th

Doesn't count now

[plush tendon]

what a Col build XD

[lusty grotto]

i mean that build is fine

[harsh trellis]

That's what I use for my 18s

[plush tendon]

drop punish?

[lofty warren]

And isnt a chinese guy either doing the pit 21 if that matters

[small steeple]

So swapping from brew to prot for raid buff reasons, what’s the current state of prot in raid? Pretty deep on M crown prog

[lusty grotto]

before tuesday, sure

[coarse bay]

It doesnt

[ivory barn]

I'ma go scream in a corner

[coarse bay]

Good in raid

[plush tendon]

[dusty wedge]

pretty good in raid even

[lusty grotto]

we were used in almost all the fights in the race, so that should say something

[coarse bay]

Very good in raid even

[lofty warren]

Why do they drop ravager?

[plush tendon]

much better time then brew tbh

[ivory barn]

Nim over here linking this

[plush tendon]

Brew is a pretty meh raid tank this tier

[fringe mural]

if dk mass grip wasn't that good groups would just be running double prot

[plush tendon]

Prob not double prot

[fringe mural]

or prot prot

[ivory barn]

Oh wait, you also don't have disrupting shout, WTF is that bull shit

[fringe mural]

prot pala prot warrior

pala for add obliteration

[plush tendon]

for which fights?

[lusty grotto]

ravager drop is very questionable considering the 50% damage increase during it for revenge

[fringe mural]

idk, the ones with the adds

[harsh trellis]

Depends on the key

[lusty grotto]

punish drop isnt questionable pre-tuesday

it most def is now

due to practiced strikes buff

as colossus

[fringe mural]

is there some secret tuning next week again?

[harsh trellis]

Im trying to get back into thane but I feel squishy as thane after playing colossus the past 2 weeks

[lusty grotto]

that has to be the feelest of feels

[harsh trellis]

No its spiky dmg shit

[small steeple]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

no, its not the feelest of feels?

[harsh trellis]

No

[lusty grotto]

ok so its not "i feel"

[harsh trellis]

Its legit just spiky

[lusty grotto]

LOl ok

definitely the most feely feelcraft thing to say

[harsh trellis]

Like last night I was just doing a 14 and the healer disconnected.

[lusty grotto]

by actual definition feelcraft

[harsh trellis]

I didnt need the healer to finish the key

[lofty warren]

Thinking they are dropping ravager to get more tankiness and losing some dps for it

[harsh trellis]

Its tankiness and self healing

I dont think about anything as colossus and its chill af and slow gameplay compared to thane.

Do I prefer it, yes. But im gonna have to change over to thane for the dmg

[small steeple]

whats the raid hero spec? mt?

[fringe mural]

someone talk to that guy

sitting in skyhold voice for 1:30

is that a q&a?

[harsh trellis]

Go talk to them. Maybe they have a million dollars to the first person to say hello

Its an experiment

[coarse bay]

Why do you HAVE to change

[fringe mural]

shit you're right

[harsh trellis]

Need the dmg for higher keys

[lofty warren]

Thane best st and aoe atm even after the most recent tuning

[fringe mural]

just make it clap

[coarse bay]

I mean, are you depleting by damage?

[fringe mural]

it's the season of claps

[coarse bay]

Most depletes this season are failed mechs

[harsh trellis]

Honestly I think most depletion is due to dmg.

[coarse bay]

I have never depleted on a clean run

But that’s just my experience so far

Very subjective

[plush tendon]

certainly depends on key level

[harsh trellis]

I just want a set group to run m+ with at this point

I hate pugging

[coarse bay]

For sure

[plush tendon]

I havnt push one lick this season

but, from my past experience, you can get pretty darn high just doing the normal W route

[coarse bay]

Ya, they were just saying that they need to change to thane when they dont want to for the dmg

[plush tendon]

which are relatively safe and easy to execute

[coarse bay]

And i was just saying the dmg isnt needed

[plush tendon]

oh yea, prob not

[coarse bay]

If u prefer col, play it i say

[plush tendon]

the diff between Thane and Col is prob inconsequential

[coarse bay]

[harsh trellis]

Well my thought is, if you want to time keys you have to pull big

[lusty grotto]

whatever mwahi has on the IV guide

[plush tendon]

depends on the key and the key level

also depends on group comp

[harsh trellis]

Let's say 17+

[plush tendon]

in a 17. you can prob do a weekly route

no joke

people are doing 21/22/23 now

a 5 key level difference is nearly twice as much health right?

[coarse bay]

A lot of the timers are pretty lenient and we have a ton of power rn

[harsh trellis]

I hate taking anything but ret paladins and dks with a shaman or hunter with a mistweaver or resto shaman or holy paladin for heals.

[coarse bay]

Those are all good in their own right

[harsh trellis]

I have some reservations about priests warlocks mages because they just randomly die. That's just pugs.. not saying there aren't some stellar players out there that dont suck

[plush tendon]

I will say, I miss Aldrachi Havoc

[lusty grotto]

aldrachi was buffed this tuesday

[harsh trellis]

What is that one?

[lusty grotto]

the funnel havoc

[harsh trellis]

Is that the plain old dh dps

[plush tendon]

I saw!

[lusty grotto]

if i had time i would shearchip it

i enjoyed it in TWW a lot

[plush tendon]

I think Fel Scarred is still preferred

[lusty grotto]

yeah well its a shame

[plush tendon]

I really enjoyed playing AR Havoc in S3 TWW

[lusty grotto]

going brrrrfunnel with havoc was fun af

[plush tendon]

it had some good complexity to it

but it wasnt bloated

was a very well designed spec IMO

[lusty grotto]

honestly both trees were good

FS had its place in raid

[plush tendon]

I could never get into fel scarred

[lusty grotto]

depending on the fight

[plush tendon]

heck, even the new Annihlator tree Ive been playing on VDH is a bit meh

[lusty grotto]

the only fights you played AR was on add fights really

annihilator is too easy

way too easy

which is not really a bad thing

[plush tendon]

yea, its not bad

[lusty grotto]

but it would be an ever better thing if VDH had aldrachi instead of FS tbh

[plush tendon]

VDH does have reaver I think

its just not very strong

[coarse bay]

Ive never played havoc and ive been considering trying it

Even if it isnt good

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah you right

if AR was stronger then

[plush tendon]

lowkey also miss having the hunt on my VDH

[lusty grotto]

blizzard just cannot deal with funnel specs in a good way

if they are strong, they are meta

just give every class a funnel spec, problem solved

[plush tendon]

there is always one class doing funnel

I think UDK is like that right now?

so is Arms

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

arcane still does good funnel

[lofty warren]

Thane best st and aoe atm even after the most recent tuning

Arcane floorpov

[coarse bay]

I think a lot of specs have some amount or form of funnel now

[plush tendon]

I was futzing around with arcane in the preseason

actually a pretty neat spec

[coarse bay]

Arcane’s is a shell of what it was

Was a lot better in preseason than now

[plush tendon]

I havnt touched my mage one bit

after getting him to 90

[coarse bay]

Good

It’s in a pretty sad state so far tbh

[plush tendon]

only had time for DK, Pal, War, and DH

which are my main classes

[coarse bay]

Frost is pretty fun to play but mage as a whole has problems

[plush tendon]

yea; weird to see it in its current state

but they are actual monsters in PVP right now

[coarse bay]

Ya i hear that

[plush tendon]

so is Arms War

as god intended

[coarse bay]

🙏

[lofty warren]

Vdh where tou dont go i to demon form when you vomit on them feels so weird

[lusty grotto]

you mean demonic

thats the name of what it is

havoc still has it

[coarse bay]

I got a friend doing 20s vdh and it still seems pretty solid

[lusty grotto]

yeah ive seen a couple of em here and there

Kira was doing it early season as well so

mad props to him, damned be the meta

[lofty warren]

He thought it was going to be meta didnt he

[coarse bay]

It does good damage too

[lofty warren]

I dont see him still running vsh

Give bdk aura that gives everyone 3% haste

[undone beacon]

I gotta decide if I wanna get the 1800 set on priest

But then I’d have to PvP

[ivory barn]

Like me and wanting the banana set

[pastel summit]

Rated pvp and pushing io different wings of the same asylum

least one gives a neato set

[hardy snow]

I have more leech rating than vers

[fringe crater]

in npx left side, the seer, do you need to tank em Away from the bomb or close to the bomb? Im thinkin away so they dont activate the bomb

[lusty grotto]

depending on which one youre talking about, you want to move him and plant, ideally far from the bombs

do not run them around the dungeon

and what i mean by running (or dragging) around the dungeon is just making him activate different random shit throughout, you obviously have to move with them to avoid ground aoe stuns. just make sure that any lightning from them is not consistently touching bombs, they take a while to charge up and activate

[harsh trellis]

I dont pull the first one on the left side. I pull the one on the right side

[fringe crater]

Thank you!

[lilac olive]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/save-gold-on-repairs-with-weapon-durability-changes-in-patch-12-0-7-381744

[final jackal]

huge

[lilac olive]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-pepe-business-pepe-businesspepe-deal-meme-gif-13786259993871531953

[final jackal]

just as that one guy on here got his indestructible shield

[ivory barn]

weapons, and shields.... so you will always be able to attack in combat now

[lilac olive]

nice changes

death durability loss is still the same

but the durability loss from combat activity will be removed or reduced

[final jackal]

says they did a 2min test with a Prot Warr on live & PTR.. live test incurred 40 gold in repairs and only 3 gold in PTR test

very nice

[tribal wharf]

imho just needs to be the amount pwar shield durability takes

is more or less on par with other tanks and melee attackers

outliers brought in, like, and just from bad to better not from good to bad

so example of good to bad would be like priest staff somehow takes more durability, when it didnt to begin with

[coarse bay]

There should be a pwar tax

[undone beacon]

How long before we see a "this was actually a bug sorry guys" and we take durability again

[coarse bay]

They meant to increase it

[heavy sparrow]

Ohh man, was about to time a key, AA 4:30 left on the clock walking into the boss room and then the client crashes mid pull

[tropic star]

maybe im misremembering

but is storm shield really only liek 16k shield now?

[lusty grotto]

it was never massive

but it has received no nerfs

we did have a stat squish going into the exp though

with the stun dr change its worth picking storm bolts instead

since there's barely any intervene use cases

[supple spire]

Intervenes super niche, when learning the dungeons id just intervene my healer until they learned timings but its only necessary so long

[lusty grotto]

unless there's another Fenryr case (or bug with reflect like NW) there's just no reason to pick it

[tribal wharf]

sure, i need weapons

but i mean, i dont really have a repair bill

[cyan lichen]

yo, trying to pug m+ as a DPS is a nightmare rn,

SO....

how "hard" is to get 3400 io rating achiv as prot war?

[tribal wharf]

everything minus weapons now

and even thats just 1 ring to fill

[coarse bay]

that's very subjective tbh

[harsh trellis]

just pug as arms

work your way up

[coarse bay]

as long as you know what you're doing, it'll be easy as you'll be in keys constantly

[harsh trellis]

start at 2s if you need, people will invite off IO

[cyan lichen]

is it that better than fury?

[harsh trellis]

I dont know I only tried arms cause I prefer arms over fury

[cyan lichen]

I think I do...
that being said, is there any prot war that streams?

[coarse bay]

I know of sense, topicx, and plka mainly. I don't actively watch streams so im not sure but i dont think they stream sup[er often

you can probably search them on youtube though

[tribal wharf]

ya, there is 1 guy that plays bear and pwar sometimes

i saw him livestream other day

[cyan lichen]

ty a lot

[vocal junco]

The dream

[daring marlin]

true, keys should give a set

lame-o

[coarse bay]

yo this is my first time pugging chim

why is it actually so bad

[lusty grotto]

why must you

[coarse bay]

nim why didnt u warn me

[lusty grotto]

say "pugging chim"

[coarse bay]

i slept through the time that my group does it

[lusty grotto]

my fucking bonus roll

[coarse bay]

and now i must pug

[lusty grotto]

I killed it

and didnt have my roll