protection

[fringe mural]

how much crit do you have nim?

[ivory barn]

Do a bear-el-roll?

[fringe mural]

because you said earlier you were losing the adept debuff from parrying once

Was that a solar flare prism proc thing you think or just regular parry value

[lofty warren]

Pwar has more armor than bears baseline?

[frosty mango]

What do you mean by baseline

As in without bear form?

[lofty warren]

In bear form no ironfur

[frosty mango]

No pretty sure a bear done

Does

Well geared warrior would be around 5700 and a well geared Druid would be around 6500?

[lusty grotto]

16%

but i have heart of ancient hunger

[frosty mango]

you just need to get rid of all of your vers

then you can have lots of crit

[lusty grotto]

of course

if only the best m+ neck didnt have vers

[craggy harness]

i'm sure this weakaura to turn off left click interact in combat will never back fire.

[lusty grotto]

or the highest hasted ring

[lofty warren]

Ohh so bear has more baseljne and ironfur, survival instinct, bsrkskin..compared to pwar lower armor, shield block, ip, shield wall..? But mastery and ability to parry/block or whatever so not apples to apples comparison

[frosty mango]

robot man told me to get less haste

[lusty grotto]

welcome to world of warcraft a decade ago

you just discovered TBC bear

scratch that

not a decade ago

TWO decades ago

[frosty mango]

the tww incarnation of guardian (elunes chosen) was widely considered to be like the easiest M+ tank to play ever

which is ironic because dotc had a high skill cap in raid

[lusty grotto]

robot man doesnt need haste for ITF cause its perfect

[frosty mango]

yeah thats why I ignored him

[lusty grotto]

and the sim window does not warrant it

yeah well

the upgrades im missing will put my crit higher so im not worried

[sweet pasture]

is anyone running Zanda troll prot? Trying to figure out if I should be running Paku (I am assuming yes) over Krag

[elfin elk]

If all I care about is raid do I keep slamming haste despite what Mr robot says

[lusty grotto]

doesnt really matter

[frosty mango]

it literally doesnt matter but you can sim it

[elfin elk]

Or does it make more sense to listen to him since I don't need full SB uptime anyways

[lusty grotto]

if all you care is playing in general, yes

[fringe mural]

it makes you big and critful right?

[lusty grotto]

content type does not matter

[fringe mural]

for a time

[sweet pasture]

oh didnt think about that, yeah will most likely run that

[fringe mural]

and then crit diminishes

[fringe mural]

790 is pretty huge

[frosty mango]

I run heart + gaze too

[fringe mural]

that's 25% parry

[lusty grotto]

fucking gaze

[frosty mango]

feelsgood when heart is up on first pull with lust and im ripping 400k dps

[lusty grotto]

sapping 6 voidcores

SMH my head

[frosty mango]

"lol silly dps"

[elfin elk]

F

[craggy harness]

just "six"?

[lusty grotto]

yeah just six

[elfin elk]

That's real unlucky given how small that loot table is

I think six is the max right

[lusty grotto]

what are you bonus rolling as dps?

[elfin elk]

That it can eat

[lusty grotto]

as prot yes

[fringe mural]

it's the unluckiest it can be in prot loot spec

i give you one better

[lusty grotto]

i got boots first

[fringe mural]

i got the 2h from terrace

[lusty grotto]

chest this week

[craggy harness]

I was accidentally fury loot on one kill

[fringe mural]

in roll 7/7

[craggy harness]

whoops.

[lusty grotto]

so next up i can up my hero gaze

[elfin elk]

I'm rolling seat for gloves

[fringe mural]

i now have all the fury loot of terrace

all of it

[elfin elk]

Peak despair

[fringe mural]

😄

[lusty grotto]

i got gloves last week

and 1h this week

vault went into roll so

[fringe mural]

which one, raid one or seat one?

[frosty mango]

I'm 5 rolls deep into seat and still no gloves

[fringe mural]

the 1h

[frosty mango]

its a bad time

[craggy harness]

i got bis gloves on first roll of seat

so there's that

[frosty mango]

they arent even worth

[craggy harness]

dances away

[lusty grotto]

took me like 6 rolls

[frosty mango]

they do like zero damage

[craggy harness]

i needed myth gloves anyway

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter, i had hero track gloves

[harsh trellis]

good deal just got mine also

[frosty mango]

what are you using to proc the gloves nim

er

neck

[lusty grotto]

this one put me over the ITF line

[frosty mango]

the gloves?

[lusty grotto]

i dont have alleria neck

just the seat one

[frosty mango]

oh

[lusty grotto]

well i have the pit neck too

[frosty mango]

I picked up alleria neck, really good for itf

I have both pit and seat necks too but alleria neck is so much haste

[fringe mural]

i took the pvp quest neck

[lusty grotto]

i bet it is, ill get a myth one soon anyway

[fringe mural]

because i play fury too and dont have myth yet

[lusty grotto]

or at least the chance for it at the very least

[elfin elk]

Yeah if you have neck then hero seat gloves beat myth tier gloves

It's sad

[frosty mango]

ya kinda like you got the chance for gaze

[elfin elk]

Proc of a proc

[frosty mango]

[lusty grotto]

our guild will kill cosmos on sunday

shut up

idk when ill be put in, but ill get it (on the vault... eventually)

[fringe mural]

i will be able to loot next week again so i'm running with alts now

no bonus rolls left and i'm not mythic raiding

so i gotta wait

[harsh trellis]

In droptimizer how do we get it to show our roll option for mythic items.

[fringe mural]

that suprises me, i thought you were like an extreme progress man

[fringe mural]

killing everything on sight

[harsh trellis]

awesome thanks

[tribal wharf]

is it 10s for void core

or just any key or i dont fully understand it,

like, i've done 8 10s this week for vault

[coarse bay]

10s+

[tribal wharf]

and i only need 1 to get another void core thingy

[coarse bay]

goes off vault reward

oh for the void drop

anything

[tribal wharf]

those

[coarse bay]

ya it should be from any level i think

maybe below 10 its not 100% but im not sure

[ivory barn]

9 and below is not a 100% drop chance

Same as normal and lfr

[fringe mural]

just run one nightmare prey

that's the fastest way

first two nm preys of the week have one in the champion chest

[jagged gust]

that means unlocking nightmare prey

[fringe mural]

yes it does

which doesnt take time really

[jagged gust]

oh id argue it takes an inordinate amount of time

[fringe mural]

if you don't want that, run a t11 in 10 mins

bountiful coffer has one too

[ivory barn]

Valeera DPS and just tank it

15m tops and

[lyric moth]

How exactly are we timing the chaining on the trash in the room before 2nd boss in Skyreach? I've tried things like "count to 5" or "wait until the first one starts channeling his beam", but I find that the channels start overlapping sometimes (even if not on the first casts, it feels like they partially resync by the 2nd somehow). Is there some rule I should be following like "pull 2nd pack when 1st one is 25% into the beam" or something?

Every time they end up overlapping and someone dies I feel like a huge troll to the key 🙁

[sweet pasture]

what level are you running into issues?

[plush tendon]

13 voidcores an d 58 myth crests off full bis

am I ready to do a key above a 12 now dad

[lyric moth]

17 in the most recent key, but does that affect the chaining time?

It's not world first level or something, but the beams really hurt my partymates

[sweet pasture]

I mean I would say up to 14 can usually pull all or at least 2 and 2 without any real issues 15 to like 18 I usually start at around 20% or less before grabbing a second pack but it really depends on who im running with and the comp honestly.

Have some cracked healers in my guild so we can usually pull off some larger pulls in that room vs if I am pugging it I am usually waiting a little longer to grab the next pack because you dont really know how people will react/play especially with how easy it is to get gear now you cant really use that or score as a good comparison anymore

[tribal wharf]

shit healer lol

just the worst

[sweet pasture]

lol not solely blaming the healers at all in pug groups with those groups, but most DPS are brain dead to begin with so it kinda falls on them sometimes in those weird fights with unavoidable dmg

[tribal wharf]

how does it differ if at all if i hit it on a hero piec

instead of myth

i dont get that part of it

[ocean smelt]

If you hit what?

[coarse bay]

it'll be 285 instead of 298

[lusty grotto]

class tuning post

[coarse bay]

if u mean the void thingy

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/many-hero-talent-buffs-coming-upcoming-class-tuning-with-weekly-reset-381709 coming in hot

[mild adder]

Very new tank here, is Execute worth using in m+? I dont currently, instead using revenge when im not Ignore Paining, but im wondering if i should be or not

[lusty grotto]

i swear to christ if someone posts

another TB buff

these are good buffs

[mighty valley]

good thing you never did those aoe sims

they would've been outdated

[lusty grotto]

makes no diff

i sure did them though 🙂

[torn gulch]

that looks like about 5-6% damage increase in keys

[lusty grotto]

these are good to target but im not exactly sure why buff TB again

30%? no its more

the last buff was 20% and it yielded around 8% increase

overall

@toxic pewter

[torn gulch]

not bad then

[lusty grotto]

get em while its hot

[wooden spruce]

colossus competitive now? please let me bonk enemies again as prot

[lusty grotto]

ill do sims again in a bit

depending if my brother's guild needs my pally or not

[lusty grotto]

we will see, but targetting SS is pretty massive so it could even it out

[tribal wharf]

ya, i have to recraft my weapon to do the void core

[lusty grotto]

the problem is thane got double buffed

so colossus might still trail behind

[naive ravine]

But collossus overall dmg pattern will be nice

[wooden spruce]

i hope we can change thane

today im doing 14s and 15s with le warr to see how it goes

im gonna celebrate i passed the semester being top 5 of my class while tanking and having some wine

[naive ravine]

prio dmg is alway good

[lusty grotto]

id rather both be interchangeable

otherwise known as "balanced"

[naive ravine]

One will almost alway be better sadly

🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

they were close to each other at the start of the season

so that was good

and then they were close to each other after the colossus buff

even putting colossus over thane in ST

but then thane buffs happened last week? or 2 weeks ago

[naive ravine]

I was wondering a few days ago why Thane gets that crazy interaction with Thunder Clap and colossus has nothing

Meh maybe revenge

[lusty grotto]

wdym

yeah ...

[next knoll]

anyone know why my macro isn't using my light company guidon (top trinket) or potion?

[coarse bay]

put them first

[lusty grotto]

does guidon incur on the gcd?

ive never had one so just asking

[coarse bay]

or does it not matter

[next knoll]

nope

ok ill try changing order

[harsh garden]

check for spaces before the / ?

[ivory barn]

we get to clap harder? 🙂

[harsh garden]

doesn't look like it but I've done that before

[lusty grotto]

if guidon is ogcd like most trinkets it shouldn't matter

[next knoll]

well it's using my guidon now but still not my potion 🙁

[lusty grotto]

sure

[lusty grotto]

spam it

[next knoll]

do i need to put potion after?

that didnt work, wth. yeah i am spamming but not using pot

[harsh garden]

might be better to use item id instead of name especially if you're using multiple diff ranks/cauldron

[lusty grotto]

im working on sims for the class tuning this tuesday

FYI

ill have numbers soon (later tonight)

[next knoll]

so do i just put /use ItemID ?

[harsh garden]

/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309

[lusty grotto]

if i dont get kidnapped to drink

[next knoll]

so for pot 241309

ok got it, lemme try that

[next knoll]

that worked, sweet! thank you

[harsh garden]

that is cauldron pot r2, r1, normal pot r2, r1

[tribal wharf]

I dont know which one someone has to have points in for claw weapon

[next knoll]

it worked, ty sir!

[tribal wharf]

i went with fist weapon for some reason

apparently blades, i dunno

[harsh garden]

you mean fist weapon?

[tribal wharf]

ya, says its blades

[harsh garden]

whops wrong one

this one

[cerulean tusk]

So when are numbers out?

[lusty grotto]

soon (tm)

im working on it rn

[cerulean tusk]

Well, for the ppl who need their quick and dirty number fix, it is about 6-7% overall DPS in keys big clappa clap

(devs, ToN buffs when??)

[lusty grotto]

they dont need to

next season we'll have more mastery

[cerulean tusk]

You know they do, and I want it

[lusty grotto]

and then s3 we'll have even more

[cerulean tusk]

Give me the spike of death

8% of my overall isnt enough, give me 80%

[chrome falcon]

where are these buffs even coming from lmao

what are we doing bro

[cerulean tusk]

Making big clappa feel more like a big clap, than just another small clap

Bigger number, following the rule of thirds, ya know it good for the feel

[chrome falcon]

numbers kind of have nothing to do with feel

[cerulean tusk]

They certinally do

[chrome falcon]

none of the problems with how this spec feels are to do with thunder blast not doing enough damage

[bleak breach]

What is ToN?

[cerulean tusk]

If you see 100 on your screen, your brain, a pattern rec machine, will go "100 normal"
you might see 101, 102. Brain go: "meh, 100 is 100"
But 130?

brain notice 130

[chrome falcon]

...... until the brain has seen 130 10 times and then 130 is normal

this is very basic lol

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, but we talking improving feel

[bleak breach]

It’s all about the vibes

Big numbers go brrr

[cerulean tusk]

This be how it works, and following the 1/3 for once, ppl will notice

I am happy

[harsh garden]

Tough as Nails

[cerulean tusk]

Dubbed to ToN by the mod of all mods, the leader of all leader, the orange of all oranges

Jakey

[bleak breach]

Oh ok

Might be the world’s most stupid question but why does mastery affect it?

[chrome falcon]

idk man if you think the spec "feels" better because our best spell does 30% more damage for no discernible reason then that's up to you i guess lol

there are more important things to a spec than balance

[tribal wharf]

if someone is on area 52 connected and can craft that weapon let me know

[cerulean tusk]

When you critblock, the reflect dam does twice as much

[bleak breach]

Ahh yep

[cerulean tusk]

It do big dam vs berserkers

go have fun

[tribal wharf]

no response in city chat yet

[lusty grotto]

apparently they determined it was an issue, but it is what it is

thats twice its been buffed

[chrome falcon]

just extremely random

[lusty grotto]

nostalgia aside, i dont think there's anything particularly wrong with how thane feels

and i say nostalgia, cause rage gen

[cerulean tusk]

You want to make the proc more exciting, you want it to pop on the screen, 30% does help doing that

[lusty grotto]

what is weird is how they are wording the explanation, it seems to say they are comparing between hero talent trees... but it would make more sense if it was against other classes

[cerulean tusk]

Hey, Nim, one good thing tho

The Col change

makes 4/4 better

Still 1/4 gang for LIFE tho

[lusty grotto]

so does punish

since there were some chinese players not playing it

[cerulean tusk]

You 4/4 ppl wouldnt understand it

the power, the purity, the feel

that is 1/4

[tribal wharf]

they want me to pay 25k for concentrate now lol

[dusty orchid]

sway me, explain 1/4 to make me swap

[lusty grotto]

hes memeing

[cerulean tusk]

Try it, feel the difference in how tanky you are, how your focus shifts to an overview of the situation as a whole, as your mind understands that minmaxing DPS doesnt matter

Pathing does

[plush tendon]

some nice buffs lads

didnt anticipate that

[cerulean tusk]

Indeed, love to see em

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

Wait, I forgot to check BDK

BDK got good news

surely?

[plush tendon]

why you gotta do me like this

[bleak breach]

Na nothing for BDK

[lusty grotto]

and now im healing raid

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/why-one-lil-Lr6hRUytUcabMUlHS6

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-jensen-ackles-noose-dean-winchester-gif-jensen-ackles-gif-gif-9915195725620178108

[plush tendon]

@lusty grotto when the numbers out

[lusty grotto]

gonna have to wait yall

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-gifs-GhGPnlp2Gl3TG

[undone beacon]

i cant wait to see another pin from mwahi that says "ping nim for numbers"

[bleak breach]

Should hopefully get down mythic crown this week

[cerulean tusk]

@lusty grotto, how is the work going?

[stable kernel]

can you link me i'm stupid

[cerulean tusk]

[chrome falcon]

if there's one thing that makes my class feel better it's even more of its damage and strength being tied to a proc 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

You want despair

Go BDK

RNG defencive, your lifeline, RNG

no shieldblock that you maintain

no sir

All R N G

does good dam in low content tho

[stable kernel]

tyty and nice nice lil buff

[abstract arch]

Good afternoon col chads

[cerulean tusk]

Also, if you want static, less RNG based? Go Col

Rev spam away, all day, every day

[chrome falcon]

yes i love picking things that are less good instead of things that are more good

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, I pump as col

[raven light]

guardian druid untouched

[chrome falcon]

0 colossus kills on lura mytthic which is what im on rn so

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, if they buffed anything about gdruid, Dreamgroove would burn their discord down

Be the 1st

R1 Col, up for grabs for you

[timid wigeon]

prot is back to meta !!!

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

[abstract arch]

Lol no

[timid wigeon]

no-believers

[abstract arch]

Dont wanna be meta anyway tbh

[raven light]

we may move from 0.1 to 0.2 class rep

but probably not

[cerulean tusk]

6% buff, turns the spec meta I mean, I seen meta shift drastically by stupidier shit

Maybe someone accidently specs Col and 1/4, have their mind opened

that could be you, yes you

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sobbing-magic-number-wWqFBYUFNYGGs

[abstract arch]

These changes are funny though

Seasons basically over

[raven light]

2-3 months left

[undone beacon]

Isnt MDI finals like mid september

we have some time

[lusty grotto]

august is s2

thats the word now

late august

but yeah we're mid season

[bleak breach]

Its all good

Only buffs not nerfs, so we chillin

[urban vortex]

Wish our survivability was buffed a lil tbh

[lusty grotto]

surv is not the problem

[coarse bay]

chat

are the numbers in

where are the numbers

[plush tendon]

IDK, Nim has been slacking

kind of sus tbh

[lusty grotto]

i was supposed to sit out of this but memorial weekend so im in for no shows

[coarse bay]

gl out there

[plush tendon]

did you tell your raid that there are dozens of Prot Wars waiting for the numbers?

[lusty grotto]

i dont need anything from these guys on chipadin

[broken marsh]

is there a macro to bind ignore pain then shield slam so i dont miss any procs?

[coarse bay]

ya

check the macros in faq

[broken marsh]

Should I do it on shield block as well

[coarse bay]

u do it for your IP bind

[broken marsh]

like 2 seperate macros i mean

like shield block - cast ss then ip cast ss

[coarse bay]

i guess you could

[lusty grotto]

no

[coarse bay]

or not

[lusty grotto]

you dont get why we macro those 2 together

[broken marsh]

so i dont miss ss procs?

[lusty grotto]

idk man you were into some weird macro talk last night

[broken marsh]

I often press revenge even when ss and tc are up, so this is a hope to minimize it

Binded to ip and sb sounds like a good way to fix it imo

i just wasnt sure if it worked

Also would this work if ss was down? Like a priority list macro.

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Thunderblast
/cast Thunderclap

[lusty grotto]

that macro wont work

[coarse bay]

you cant make macros play for you

[broken marsh]

lol this is so much better ty

[vestal moat]

so thunder blast will do 60% more damage than expansion launch with two separate +30 buffs in teh last month? wow guess we were undertuned to start.

[undone beacon]

oh lord

[proud marlin]

what secondary stats for crafted shield

[lusty grotto]

haste crit

[undone beacon]

, or default to haste/crit

[broken marsh]

can sim as well

[proud marlin]

we usiung an embelishment??

[lusty grotto]

have you read the icy veins guide

or looked at the pins?

[proud marlin]

nah

thasnks i will tho

[frosty mango]

That’s not how percentages work but it will do more I think yes

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats really off the mark

[plush tendon]

wish we had someone who did the numbers

[frosty mango]

I have inside info and I can confirm the numbers are being worked

As we speak

Trust me I know people

[lusty grotto]

im slowly working on looking for the coeffs

on trash

[coarse bay]

what if

you get hit by a mechanic early into a pull

and the brez needs to be saved

[lofty warren]

Sims and overal st and aoe numbets updated and available?

[ivory barn]

Whats a repair 🙂

[lofty warren]

Tb damage by 30% feels like not enough? Feelcraft thats only like a 2-3% aoe damage increase but they were like 75% below

[vocal junco]

Get those nodes maxed out for free repairs

[crisp ocean]

is it better to use bonus rolls in the same dungeon?

[lusty grotto]

yes

ok so heres the problem with doing sims with tuning done on TB, the way the increases are applied aren't directly to AP coefficients so this will take me a bit since i have to confirm

but ill do it as soon as this raid is done

[lofty warren]

Where the fork is thunder blast on wcl

[tribal wharf]

shame i didnt think out weapon smith

and put 30 points into longsword or mace, or something sensible first

[lofty warren]

Nvm i found it. Ok thos guy did 23,610 tb damage so 30% buff to that brings the number up to 30,600.

That brings his overall from 118,800k dps to 125,883k dps. Which is about 5.96% dps increase in dungeons based on that log

[tribal wharf]

i'll have a 285 or 295 weapon soon though

didnt seem like it was possible to use the void cores for armor slots

thought oh just need 1 more of those for a void core and i'll upgrad something simple ez

[lofty warren]

Bringing pwar dps up to 126k not enough bears and monks out here doing 140k easily

[tribal wharf]

25 minute run..... nope.....

end up taking most of the day

[lusty grotto]

Numbers per tuesday 26th class tuning:

• Colossus buff is about a 3-4% increase in pure ST, basically none on AOE
• Thane buff is around 5-6% increase in overall AOE
• Thane buff is around 3% in ST

[coarse bay]

[lofty warren]

What is your MT 1.5 min 5 target % diff looking like? My math from sense log is about 5.96% AOE dps increase which is nice but not big enough to compete with the big dogs

but that is just one log.. but I can't image it varies ALL that much from key to key

[bleak breach]

It’s a decent buff

We didn’t really need one, so it’s nice

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

there

numbers are done

[coarse bay]

Pretty good numbers

[jagged gust]

Developers’ notes: These change aim to improve Colossus’ performance in single target and Mountain Thane’s performance in AOE relative to other Hero Talent options.

proceeds to buffs MT and colo ST by the same amount

[maiden ravine]

I only care if I can clear content which doesn't seem to be an issue

[jagged gust]

I only care if it affects Yoda

I hope he's doing well in these trying times

[coarse bay]

Yoda my king

Tier list update when

[lofty warren]

5-6% overall not enought need like 20%

yo why druids get 300% on their main ability and we get literally 1/10 of their buffs

[coarse bay]

[ocean smelt]

Tbh I'd rather have that than a huge buff then a nerf the next week, the feeling of doing worst than you did last reset is really annoying

[coarse bay]

Warrior is fine, and these buffs are good

Dont listen to pepega

[ocean smelt]

Oh I know I just got past my all time IO record I'm doing fine

(Partially because the season is overall easier but still)

[coarse bay]

Grats1

Thats huge

[ocean smelt]

Thx 😁

[coarse bay]

[harsh trellis]

Nice, more buffs

[ivory barn]

this thing?

[lusty grotto]

hero talents compared after the buffs

ST is about even, variance counts for a 2% difference between sims

which goes to show, colossus prot is catching strays from arms colossus

on the aoe front at least

[frosty mango]

please fix your sim

i think you meant to say -20%, clearly we need more buffs

[lusty grotto]

more TB buffs, yes

LOL

[opal ledge]

those buffs are not enough, we needed 15% buff, for thane that's like 5%

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/thunder-elmo-elmo-meme-thunderstorm-rain-gif-4098722568709273763

[lusty grotto]

seriously though, these buffs we're only getting due to them looking at fury/arms more than looking at prot

which is why they miss the mark for our colossus

on the aoe side of things

because arms colossus aoe is so strong

it did make an impact on the ST side of things at least

[ivory barn]

any recommendations on what to remove? big icon or that text

bruh cmon blizzard lemme hit these

[vestal moat]

so is collosus prot dead? i dont understand when we ever play it.

[lusty grotto]

its about even with thane in ST

[harsh cypress]

In this house colossus prot is a hero. End of story

[lusty grotto]

so you can totally play it in raid

might actually be the call for it

[vestal moat]

not as tanky though

[lusty grotto]

in raid?

LOL

yes it is

just as tanky

thats not even a point of discussion

[jagged gust]

I miss the days when colo did 30% more damage than MT and we just decided as a community to not play it

[lusty grotto]

by we you mean the dozen of you that couldn't adapt to the playstyle

because most of us were playing it

[jagged gust]

You just hopped on the Nomer bandwagon

[lusty grotto]

if you mean undermine season

[jagged gust]

nah S1

[lusty grotto]

uh...

seems like youre misremembering

[jagged gust]

I remember Nomer putting most Prot Pallys to shame with his DPS lol

[frosty mango]

When colo was ballin in tww nearly all of us were playing it

We bitched nearly every day about its turd status gather

[ionic fern]

Who the hell is in charge of these prot changes.

[undone beacon]

It was me sorry

[autumn roost]

Okay

So

Let's assume that I know nothing about prot warrior and have all of my abilties macrod in to shield slam

[ionic fern]

Undo it.

[autumn roost]

Is there any difference in gameplay between colossus and thane

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[warm plinth]

hi ily ❤️

[autumn roost]

Okay I'm staying thane

Ty

[ionic fern]

You should try Colossus,it's fun-especially in AoE.

[warm plinth]

Why must you concern me like this.

[lusty grotto]

mwahi just reposting this here

[ionic fern]

Hi,hope you're doing good.

[autumn roost]

it's worked on lura so far

[warm plinth]

I'm fabulous

Things have been very good

[autumn roost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XRDQyaM87Lm4YjJW these are the logs of an expert prot warrior; don't look at the buttons he is pushing 👍

[ionic fern]

It's 6am. Number bad. Mwahi sleepy.

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

It's 11pm here, also sleepy

[ionic fern]

Did they add the numbers to spell data already or was it a manual override?

[lusty grotto]

manual

[ionic fern]

Always sleeeeepy.

[lusty grotto]

TB's is funky so it might be less than depending on their implementation

[warm plinth]

You're funky

gottem

[autumn roost]

whistles

[warm plinth]

Why are you like this

[autumn roost]

1 button macro > mythic l'ura

[lusty grotto]

96% block very good (on wipe 33)
rage management horrible, tons of rage starving

yup that macro blows

[autumn roost]

what is rage

shield slam go brrr

[lusty grotto]

whatever this guy didnt have

[round pendant]

wow is so easy you can literally do the hardest content in the game without knowing how your character works

[autumn roost]

and get purple parses on reclear

I got a gaze today

[heavy sparrow]

100% me

[heavy sparrow]

.

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ban-button-1

[autumn roost]

wait i meant to reply to this

[lusty grotto]

to larias credit

his APM is very good

and SB is good

he just needs to not use that macro and he'll be an expert

[autumn roost]

Unironically

I can't play this class if I have to manually IP

I tried the first day in my learning keys

And my arthritis was killing me after one key

[round pendant]

So you barely tried?

oh you have arthritis

well

I'd suggest finding a keybinding that works

[autumn roost]

I'm in my 60's lol, no keybinding will keep up with this apm

Besides, it's working on L'ura which is all I need it to

[undone beacon]

Have you considered not having arthritis

[lusty grotto]

now that you say that

you know what game fucks my hand up

[autumn roost]

poe

[lusty grotto]

monster hunter with kb+m

[autumn roost]

new monster hunter was kinda boring

[round pendant]

always has been

[autumn roost]

i liked world

[lusty grotto]

i like wilds better than world

[round pendant]

genius shit

[lusty grotto]

its weird

i did enjoy worlds though

[round pendant]

speaking of arthritis

have you tried glucosamine or msm supplements

I've had old people tell me that shit's great

[lusty grotto]

have you tried cocaine also

[round pendant]

could just be placebo tho

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

heard great things about that too

[autumn roost]

I have tried cocaine

speaking of cocaine

I had einsteins bagels or whatever its called for the first time this week

einstein bros?

eggs, bacon, ham, chedder cheese, pepper cream cheese shmear on a hash brown bagel

better than cocaine

[round pendant]

also my wrists hurt now we started talking about gaming pains

psychosomatic pain hell yeah

[lusty grotto]

i believe it

[round pendant]

Hardest drugs I've done is opiates

and that shit got boring fast

no idea how anyone gets addicted to that shit

[lusty grotto]

ive mentioned how far ive done myself already but never caught the addiction

shrooms and acid too

thats about it

[round pendant]

I don't think I've ever been addicted to anything

[ivory barn]

the pug killer strikes again!

[lusty grotto]

lucky you

i have a few, but they are legal

caffeine is the #1

[round pendant]

maybe caffeine but I've quit that many times

and there's no real difference except I'm slightly more sleepy without it

so I choose to consume it

I also don't crash out without it

[lusty grotto]

i get the massive migrane thing when i dont have some

[round pendant]

see, the first time I quit caffeine I had that too

I had a headache for a week

but now when I stop, literally nothing happens

[jagged gust]

I can see issues with this group

[lusty grotto]

yeah some day i will actually break it

[round pendant]

eh I think caffeine is purely positive in my life so I use it

[lusty grotto]

but i have a worse one which i wont mention cause ill be chased with pitchforks and its not alcohol

[round pendant]

but it's also kind of self medicating for my adhd lmao

[ivory barn]

[lusty grotto]

yeah same here

[round pendant]

what addictions makes people chase people with pitchforks

it's anime isn't it

WEEBS OUT

[lusty grotto]

fuck no

[jagged gust]

i think being a mad scientist

[lusty grotto]

when i say worse i mean health wise

[jagged gust]

I bet it's wow

[lusty grotto]

pretty easy to figure out

[round pendant]

vaping

[lusty grotto]

worse

[round pendant]

weed?

[jagged gust]

oh I fucking love vaping, I only smoke because it's cheaper

[lusty grotto]

nah

[round pendant]

no one gets pitchforked for weed/cigarettes

it's ok tho I won't pry

[jagged gust]

well if you say weed is addictive you get those weird people who smoke 7g's a day saying it isnt addictive

[lusty grotto]

ive been trying to quit for so long i even have the dumb book

and at this point im at a pack a day

[jagged gust]

pokemon?

[round pendant]

pokemon cards

[lusty grotto]

well, for a decade maybe

[round pendant]

holy

[round pendant]

that's a classic

[lusty grotto]

nah its just smoking

[round pendant]

My mother was spending like 80% of her money on weed

while claiming she's not addicted to it

[lusty grotto]

i mean weed is fun but its not addictive to me

[round pendant]

you know what is addictive to me

chocolate

[jagged gust]

oh man, chips

gotta keep chips away from me

[lusty grotto]

i dont think ive ever known someone not addicted to chocolate ngl

[jagged gust]

ill eat a costco sized bag in one sitting if no one stops me

[round pendant]

Yeah I have to not buy chocolate

or I'll just eat it all the day I buy it

[lusty grotto]

true

[round pendant]

I'll allow myself some once a month or so

[round pendant]

I actually am a certified crisps hater

I kinda hate crunchy food

[jagged gust]

depends on the crunch for me

[lusty grotto]

chocolate icecream straight from the pint/container thing

[round pendant]

the only chip I like is nimchip

[lusty grotto]

i cant stop

[jagged gust]

those puffy cheetoh things? Feels like a 9 volt battery attached to my brain

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

doritos? Gimme a fucking IV

[round pendant]

and chips as in what you guys call fries

wtf do you guys call our version of chips

are they fries if they're thicc?

[lusty grotto]

fries yea

wedge fries if they are thick usually

[jagged gust]

shoestring fries if they're skinny

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

here

skinny = fries
thicc = chips
wedge shape = wedges

it's so simple!

[lusty grotto]

lol

[jagged gust]

a wedge is a fry if you decided to give up on cutting the potato halfway through

[lusty grotto]

ive never thought about the thickness of the fry itself, it just so happens that most thick ones ive had are just wedge fries

[jagged gust]

my pet peeve is when a restaurant sells poutine or has a special poutine and they use checker fries

[lusty grotto]

hmm

im not a poutine enjoyer

[jagged gust]

This one place I went to had checker fries topped with uncut chicken strips

[lusty grotto]

😮

[jagged gust]

like how the fuck am I gonna fit ANY of that in my mouth?

[lusty grotto]

that sounds fucking amazing

[jagged gust]

okay but

how does it fit?

It's like those burgers that are the height of my head

[ivory barn]

I wish you could still get this 🙁

[lusty grotto]

give

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

they are stored safely in my bank

from vanilla

[ivory barn]

BRUH

[round pendant]

wtf are checker fries

[ivory barn]

i didnt start doing end game content till mop 🙁

[round pendant]

yo anyone got any movie/show recs

I watched project hail mary

I really liked it

[vocal junco]

White Lotus Show

[tawny wigeon]

u can get this by getting 1800 in rbg's 😛

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[toxic pewter]

Devil may cry show pretty good just watched season 2

[tawny wigeon]

Ye if you get on the class you want that old pvp set from

[lusty grotto]

seasoned fries

its a franchise, there used to be one close by where i grew up

i havent been to one in forever

[undone beacon]

Wait did I miss a conversation about fries

Hot take

Best fries are crinkle cut

[undone beacon]

I’m on the couch rn rewatching the Teen Titans in Japan movie for nostalgia

[round pendant]

That's a good take

[round pendant]

I never watched teen titans

[sullen palm]

anyone know to show the stack of teh adds killed under the add on mythic cosmos

i cant get it to show on nameplates

[wooden lily]

Idk about that

[crude notch]

The face of someone coming for your R1 NA position, @shut summit .

hello mwahi! 👋

[ionic fern]

Hello.

[blazing shuttle]

Blizzard?
Why are you buffiing Thunder Blast again?

[drowsy comet]

@round pendant hyped for poe2?

[drowsy comet]

Dont question, take it and have fun

[blazing shuttle]

I wish the MT buff was goiing to COlo

[round pendant]

I'm not playing poe or poe 2 anymore

well I never had any intention of playing poe 2

[drowsy comet]

Get it, its good

[round pendant]

I'm good

I played poe 2 on "release" and it was awful

heard it's better now but eh it's just worse than poe 1 still

[drowsy comet]

Oh nananana, have u seen the new 0.5 reveal stream. Things get alot better

[ionic fern]

As you read..to make Thane's AoE more comparable to other Hero Specs.

[abstract arch]

cols cucked again

[sharp gale]

meaning it is a fury buff and prot eats for free

[drowsy comet]

https://x.com/XBOX/status/2057855279287476620?s=20 i mean-

XBOX (@XBOX)

November 19th

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X · May 22, 2026, 4:05 PM

[rough owl]

as an experienced dps player im now currently learning tanking in M+, are there any good resources for warr specific tips for each dungeon? or pull sequencing?

[winter rain]

I am starting tanking on dungeon and wanna know what’s the best way not to over pull packs for the %? Is there an easy way to pull the right amount of mobs ? Like an addon ?

[winter rain]

lol haven’t seen that firstly 🙂

[true idol]

use this https://www.wowhead.com/news/help-route-through-higher-level-mythic-dungeons-with-lindormis-glow-in-patch-12-381261

[limber arrow]

im pretty sure war is like one of the better dps tank in both ST and cleave

whats going on lol

[sharp rover]

Can they please remove Thane and give the buffs to Colo?

[naive ravine]

It doesnt rly matter what you think, its about the numbers

[maiden quiver]

The thing is the warrior aggregate is still being weighed down by the people playing 1/4, but balance is only looking at the averages when making these decisions

[fringe mural]

so is tb now prio 1 even without 2 stacks?

with another 30% buff

[naive ravine]

That wouldnt make sense still

Why would you press an ability that can store up to 2 charges over an ability that has a set cd with resets

You dont miss a TB cast when using it after a SS

[cerulean tusk]

Gameplay doesnt change, number only went up to make it feel better for brain

(also to stop the army of ppl asking "why TC do less dam than TB" on the forums)

[fringe mural]

we already used tb over ss at 2 stacks in st?

[naive ravine]

Yeah at 2 stacks

cuz u could waste a stack

You asked if it was prio at 1 stack

[fringe mural]

i know

i asked a second question

🙂

thanks for answering the first

and the second

speaking of 2 stacks i wanted to check if the cdm can tell me when two stacks of tb are up

it should as it is a buff

[cerulean tusk]

It will show you, but blizz CDM is kinda wonky and wont go beyond telling you if you just got a stack application of or the first time, or if you dropped the last application

So it will only be able to tell you when you got 1 stack and 0, stack number two would go unannounced

Blizz kinda havent gotten this far with things

[stone tundra]

The second stack that comes with avatar just wont show at all

Maybe with a stack bar

[echo egret]

Anyone know this bug when I charge sometimes ?
Screenshot with no addons enabled.

[opaque oriole]

Is colossus much worse than mt rn?

[jagged pier]

was already a couple of % behind

its even further with teh buffs coming

[fringe mural]

Damn

[fringe mural]

I have that too

What addons do you use?

Ah no addons

good to know it's not tied to addons

[cerulean tusk]

How many % for the 1/4 spec tho?

[jagged pier]

no just generally from sims anyway

it was already behind

[cerulean tusk]

Classic mod behaviour, not answering the question directly

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppetwiki-muppets-kermit-the-frog-xdLH51eNWZAHrwy5mf

[jagged pier]

okay sorry, I dont know because my numbers are based of sims of the specs from the last tuning patch. So it was already behind and now even further behind

[cerulean tusk]

Not forgiven, do better, what are we paying you for?

[jagged pier]

your not paying me

[sweet egret]

never had that, I guess my addons fix the game

[cerulean tusk]

You clearly do have addons on, in that screenshot tho

[sweet egret]

how do you know that?

the only thing I can see that I didn't know default blizz can do is showing def/battle stance in the portrait

[cerulean tusk]

You should be able to see what UI article is causing the element with the... urgh, what was the command again?

@jagged pier help, you remember

[sweet egret]

its /fstack

[cerulean tusk]

There we go, sounds right

[sweet egret]

we're getting even more buffs now?

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey misspoke, he meant what was in the notes Pay it no heed

[exotic flower]

saw this in guardian discord a while back

see if it works

[sweet egret]

I thought the 30% thunder blast buff was hotfixed in?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, weekly reset buff

[sweet egret]

but it was this week and not for the 26th?

[cerulean tusk]

27th for me, but ye

[sweet egret]

I really thought it was already live last week 😄

[echo egret]

It’s the stance bar that I moved there.

[sweet egret]

cool

[echo egret]

I’ll have a look, thanks !

[lofty warren]

True

[ocean smelt]

Iirc last week or the previous one they already upped it by 30%, they are just doing it again lol

[fringe mural]

Clearly not or we wouldn't be tolerating your instead of you're

also people who say would of and should of deserve to be wiped with sandpaper

i haven't seen that in the chat here yet so there's still hope

Blizz really needs to up their cdm game

[trail dome]

This'd land better without a typo.

[fringe mural]

Lol you're right

edited at 14:22

sometimes i think discord is doing sneaky autocorrects

u is not even near o or r so i don't have an excuse for that besides being german

[vocal flame]

Good morning all! Pretty much still running thane after the changes?

[jagged pier]

yep dont change anything

[woeful stone]

question about gearing and deciding for some vault/craft stuff:
my only hero slots are 2 ring, neck, legs, helmet, weapon (and 1x trinket, have the heart of the wind myth)
i don't think i'll kill myth raid bosses, hence i didn't keep my rerolls for that

my vault offers me (myth track) 1hand weapon or helmet (or i could take the reroll for another skyreach roll for myth solarflare or helmet, 50/50 only left items)
i have 6 sparks left, one embelish on wrists, but lacking a 2nd one yet
thinking of crafting

i think of:
crafting 1hand (+embelish) => grab reroll for 50/50 trinket/helmet => next vault legs or helmet if i didnt hit it and craft the other part for ilevel
and use my other craft for a ring or neck...
does that sound reasonable or better choices?
feels a bit sad to not take a myth track weapon (malfeasance mallet - haste/mastery)

[vocal flame]

Thank you!

[undone beacon]

You’d be silly to not take a myth track weapon

[tribal wharf]

i made the sensible choice here

with upgrading smithing stuff

[stone tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[tribal wharf]

its cuz 1 screen is 4k, and 1 is 1440

so, THATS how big of a diference there is between those 2 resolutions

[stone tundra]

Thats why i take 2 screenshots

When i want to show 2 things

[tribal wharf]

but ye lol, the purpose was to show both images

cuz i just got the bracers yesterday free repair

so if i can get glove and weapon repair, only thing ever have to pay for in key is a flask, whetstone, maybe a hearty food buff

less wow tokens overall bought

[woeful stone]

so i guess grab weapon with haste/mastery - craft cape for 2nd embelishment and wait for next week to craft legs or helmet depending on what other slot i get in vault/with reroll?

[undone beacon]

Take weapon, make an embel cloak, and wait and see what happens next week sure

A myth weapon + cloak embel > crafted embel weapon

And you keep emphasizing haste/mastery. haste/mast is good

We like mastery

Also unless you plan on catalyzing your gloves, there’s no point crafting legs or a chest

[woeful stone]

ok - great, just had in mind that wowhead listed mastery as least important stat
was open to catalyst any slot - thought of filling the last of the 5 tier slots with a craft to grab the ilevel, just not catalysted yet cause i still had other parts already and didnt think of the stats mattering that much yet
thanks

[undone beacon]

we don’t use wowhead, we use icyveins

[woeful stone]

ok:D

[undone beacon]

The writer for the protection guide on wowhead doesn’t play protection

Also, you should leverage sims to help make gearing decisions

[woeful stone]

i mostly do for dps reasons, but can hardly judge how to decide for good survivability parts aswell with sims

[undone beacon]

The general rule of thumb is that if it increases your damage, it increases your survivability, as all stats have both offensive and defensive components for tanks

Exceptions of course for simming shields, talents, and defensive trinkets

We recommend that you prioritize haste on every piece possible, and then sim amongst haste pieces to see what is best for your character

[sweet egret]

this is from the icyveins guide, I don't see any info about emphasis on mastery

[coarse bay]

Stat weights and priorities doent exist, you should prioritize haste and then sim

[woeful stone]

noted, will do, thanks!
just saw the ivy veins lists the cape to swap in for a myth weapon - so thats the choice anways

[undone beacon]

Literally in your screenshot they point out that mastery is not a bad stat

[sweet egret]

yes, this does not mean to focus on mastery

[undone beacon]

I never said to focus on mastery

[sweet egret]

I am not saying it's a bad stat, but you said focus on haste/mastery

[undone beacon]

I said we like mastery

No I didn’t?

[sweet egret]

what does this say

[undone beacon]

“You keep emphasizing haste/mastery. haste/mast is good”

Because they kept pointing out the weapon had mastery

As if to say it made it less valuable

I didn’t say to focus on haste mastery lmfao

[sweet egret]

I understand, I thought what you wanted to say was to "continue emphasizing haste/mast"

[undone beacon]

No, I was simply pointing out that they kept bringing it up

[sweet egret]

yes, I understand

[coarse bay]

Ilvl > secondaries on non jewelry gear usually too

[undone beacon]

[coarse bay]

Secondaries on wep and shield dont matter

Until u have choices

[sweet egret]

afaik not on other pieces either

[coarse bay]

Should be ilvl > haste > sim ya

Because str

Is nice

[sweet egret]

I still don't have either myth track weapon or shield 🤕

[coarse bay]

You’ll get them soon

[undone beacon]

Ideally you get haste on every piece. Realistically you take ilvl and run with it

[sweet egret]

is there any way to check what you already bonus rolled outside of the bonus roll window?

[coarse bay]

I think with addons

But idk any

[sweet egret]

I've been bonus rolling in seat since we got rolls, except one week for my gaze

[undone beacon]

I know addons exist for it but I’m not sure if they update retroactively

[coarse bay]

Ya im not too sure either

[sweet egret]

I've gotten neck, gloves, chest, both rings and the trinket that I can remember

[coarse bay]

Nice

[sweet egret]

still no weapon in sight

and then I have to start rolling a new dungeon for a shield 🤣

[unkempt pebble]

You can alt + Prtscreen to capture the current monitor as well

[cerulean tusk]

I recommend just clipping out what ya want

[cerulean tusk]

how are you lower ilvl than myself?

[sweet egret]

worse player

[cerulean tusk]

I would respond with a gif

but

giphy

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/green-bunny-rabbit-dance-gif-26427072

[tribal wharf]

the image was posted exactly the way it was meant to be

examine it for like 30 seconds

[round pendant]

warrior reading comprehension not so good

[cerulean tusk]

I rather castrate myself with paperclips, than try to examine that

[tribal wharf]

they are talking about, you go poor from repair for 3.5k gold every night + consumable

[coarse bay]

[tribal wharf]

and, oh look,

i have a way around that

[ivory barn]

[tribal wharf]

that i DONT have to pay 3500

[coarse bay]

I like guild repairs

But consumables add up too

[round pendant]

Good to see it hasn't gotten any better

better buy some tokens lads

[coarse bay]

[tribal wharf]

and im willing to bet, there is something like that for tailoring with cloth armor

and leather mail with lw

[coarse bay]

What repairing?

[tribal wharf]

ya

[coarse bay]

Oh maybe

[ivory barn]

What is token at

[round pendant]

Don't ask me

I haven't played wow since tww

[tribal wharf]

but, also, i didnt include it, i also have very low gold overall

[coarse bay]

Tbh tokens have kinda tanked this expac

Like 100k less than tww

So i havent bought any

[round pendant]

Well if everyone's going broke from egregious repair costs

[coarse bay]

Need to work like a dog and sell boosts

[round pendant]

the WoD gold only lasts so long

[tribal wharf]

and i didnt include the tooltip of repairs for free with hammer, so i guess its not a perfect image

[round pendant]

and there's been no reasonable ways to generate gold in the game for years

[cerulean tusk]

I mean

come on

[ivory barn]

Mine ran out in dragon flight

[round pendant]

tho I heard they re-added gold wqs?

[cerulean tusk]

Crafting can grant 1-2m a hour, early expansion. Boosting 2-3m a hour

There are reasonable ways to earn tons of gold, if ya want to

[round pendant]

That's not generating gold, kitty

that's just moving gold that already exists

Does not affect token prices at all

[tribal wharf]

im not going to drop any names neither, but im noticing alot of youtube live streamers are crash out andies., second one ive seen so far, this guy was going to destroy his desk and the other guy was destroying like plate and wall

[cerulean tusk]

Go farm old dungs, for 10k raw gold a hour

[round pendant]

lmao

[ivory barn]

Until the booster gives you rmt gold and it gets ripped away

[fringe mural]

you will get more gold than you need for repairs by just doing a few world activities a day

[cerulean tusk]

Why would they do that tho

[fringe mural]

the chests yield 2k gold often

[ivory barn]

That used to be like way more

[fringe mural]

the purple chests for literally anything

[tribal wharf]

he was playing doom on a slaughter map pack and the level name was "go fuck your self" at lvl 29 of 30 on UV

[fringe mural]

prey, abundance, salterils, stormshit in voidstorm

[cerulean tusk]

Either way, I just personal boost or guild boost, so I safe

[fringe mural]

weekly quests

[tribal wharf]

and it sure lived up to its name GFYS

with its difficulty

[fringe mural]

world quests with 1k gold reward

[round pendant]

I'm not having this whole ass conversation again

[fringe mural]

there are generators

[tribal wharf]

do the apex thingies

[cerulean tusk]

Weekly chest with 20k gold

[round pendant]

I swear topics go on loop in this discord

[tribal wharf]

those are 2k+ gold per

[cerulean tusk]

you are just terminal on here, so that is why you feel it loops

yep yep

[fringe mural]

guys he isnt talking about how to acquire gold

[tribal wharf]

and theres about a dozen or so active 1k gold quest usually

take about, 30 minutes, to run them all

[fringe mural]

he is talking about people spending more than gaining

[round pendant]

Don't you spend much more time in here than I do

[cerulean tusk]

Nah

[coarse bay]

I barely even see yam anymore

[cerulean tusk]

Yam yamming with yammer, when I am on

[coarse bay]

Afaik this doesnt happen