protection

[undone beacon]

Early teens is a weird time

[plush tendon]

[frosty mango]

It’s trendy to be gay in the 13 year old world of today, all the girls are doing it

[plush tendon]

I was still playing Tag at 13

[frosty mango]

You think I’m joking, but I’m not lol

I was working full time

I just want my kid to be happy lol

[undone beacon]

At 13 I was coming home from middle school every day to log into Mists of Pandaria and grind my halfhill farm

[plush tendon]

like a gentlemen

[frosty mango]

I was in 9th grade doing construction work from 3pm-9pm and all day on the weekends

[fringe mural]

I don't, i don't drive a car

[frosty mango]

My teachers tried to stage an intervention, it was cute

[undone beacon]

I had no interest in dating but there was social pressure to have a crush at that age so I picked a random girl in my class and never did anything about it so people would leave me alone and I could play my games

Ah those halcyon days

[plush tendon]

I showed my GF my middle school picks

and she was like 'omg, you looked like Justin Beiber'

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

I look more or less the same as I did in middle school just with more hair

[frosty mango]

Yep, “I tried to revoke one but I accidentally revoked them all”

[plush tendon]

had to clean up my hair... but I miss being blonde

[frosty mango]

Thanks

[plush tendon]

[frosty mango]

Love to see it

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

well good news im caffeinated now

[undone beacon]

My org is on a change freeze as we move from one ticketing solution to another and it’s very annoying because I was in the middle of an upgrade project

And the last time I upgraded without a change on the change management calendar I got snipped at

[plush tendon]

that sounds like a Tuesday Pash problem though

today is basically a holiday and Monday is a holiday

[undone beacon]

True

[frosty mango]

I’m building an ai integrated log trailing solution

[lusty grotto]

im just working on documentation, which means im not working cause chatgpt is handling it 🙂

[frosty mango]

Or I was

[frosty mango]

You should consider a local agent to do this if your dev box has the oomph

[lusty grotto]

"hey we need you to work on technical documentation" into the chatgpt pile it goes

[undone beacon]

If I contribute to the documentation can we get a skyhold footnote included

[lusty grotto]

would be nice

[frosty mango]

I have an m4 max and I’m running gpt-oss for documentation and it crushes

I just let it roll over night

[fringe mural]

dev talk, i see

[frosty mango]

We’re all nerds here

[lusty grotto]

i could do it, i just resist giving my company shit for free

[undone beacon]

It’s a nightmare to provision any resources where I work so the idea of running basically anything locally is null which is sad

[frosty mango]

If we had real jobs we’d be busy working

[undone beacon]

[fringe mural]

i told my students today if they want to give a sucessful talk, they need to stop giving a fuck about what their peers think of their talk

and used me as an example, like i knew they talk behind my back how "unfunny" that was or "oh he thinks he's so smart"

[plush tendon]

hey, Ill have you know I dealt with a roof leak this morning

[fringe mural]

i said i know you say that

[plush tendon]

[fringe mural]

i just dont give a fuck

[undone beacon]

That can be applied to most things to be fair

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah

[frosty mango]

Tell your students that the coolest person you know (me) doesn’t care what other people think and I’m highly successful

[fringe mural]

we were evaluating talks they gave

[undone beacon]

If my roof leaked that would be my 13th reason because my solution would be tape and prayers

[frosty mango]

I would just pay someone to deal with it because I am too large to be on a roof

[plush tendon]

or a $30k bill to replace it

[frosty mango]

First world problems

[undone beacon]

[frosty mango]

That’s what we have insurance for

[fringe mural]

i wouldn't call myself highly sucessful, but i am a private school teacher in a rich district so i do have some influence

[undone beacon]

I’m small enough to get up onto the roof but not skilled enough to fix shit

[lusty grotto]

Skill issue

[frosty mango]

It’s 2026 brother, having a roof over your head and living independently is highly successful

[undone beacon]

Quite literally

[fringe mural]

true

[round pendant]

when I was 13 I was just playing counter strike source and watching utada hikaru music videos

[plush tendon]

depends on how the leak came about.... for a lot of these buildings, its just normal wear and tear

[frosty mango]

She does those things too

[round pendant]

cs:s in 2026? based

[frosty mango]

Well it’s not counter strike these days it’s other stuff

[undone beacon]

I think 13 was when I went through my “Minecraft modpacks and Dubstep” phase

[round pendant]

dubstep was during cs:s for me

[frosty mango]

I played the og counter strike

[round pendant]

I remember listening to dubstep while surfing

and bhopping

the good ol days

[frosty mango]

Team fortress classic was also huge in my roster

Back when you used mIRC for guilds

[lusty grotto]

The steamless CS 1.3

[fringe mural]

i'm curious what's gonna happen, my son is 11 and my daughter 8

[lusty grotto]

But same

[fringe mural]

my son is trying dming his own dnd campaign

[undone beacon]

Nothing like building industrial scale machines on a poorly optimized modpack while Monstercat hits blasted my eardrums to bits

[frosty mango]

Aren’t you outside the US?

[fringe mural]

ya

germany

[frosty mango]

DnD is kinda cool these days, my daughter and her friends play and it’s not viewed as wierd

[fringe mural]

stranger things helped with that

a lot

[undone beacon]

When I got to college I was pleasantly surprised at how common D&D was

[round pendant]

I still think dnd is wack

[undone beacon]

Basically everyone I knew was playing in a campaign to some degree

[frosty mango]

Warhammer is and will always be the true nerd game

[undone beacon]

I played in a bunch of campaigns to varying degrees of success

[fringe mural]

well it wasn't in germany for sure, i think it was more common in the us

[round pendant]

My friend still plays to this day and every campaign has some stupid ass drama

[undone beacon]

My best character work will forever be a goblin barbarian with axes for hands

[round pendant]

miss me with that

[fringe mural]

my students asked me if we could make a dnd group

[frosty mango]

I had a barb named “scar” whose trademark was lighting himself on fire for rage

[fringe mural]

at school

[undone beacon]

Too bad that campaign ended when the DM went full Nazi with the story and wanted us to side with the Nazis

[frosty mango]

But i was banned when i ruined a campaign

[undone beacon]

“No guys this genocide is justified because the mysterious sword god said it’s cool”

[fringe mural]

i really enjoyed the vldl videos about dnd

[frosty mango]

Dm had the big bad be the first guy we talked to and i was feeling destructive so i lit myself on fire and attacked him 5 minutes in

Two natty 20s later

[fringe mural]

lol

[undone beacon]

DM skill issue

[frosty mango]

Ya thats what i said

[round pendant]

literally

[frosty mango]

Did not endear me

[undone beacon]

There’s so many ways to write yourself out of that hole even if that’s how it goes down

You’re literally in magical fantasy land lol

[fringe mural]

yeah he could've just put his evil twin brother in

[frosty mango]

I mean at that point just plot plot wave it

[fringe mural]

who came for revenge

and is even meaner

and scarier

[frosty mango]

“He teleports out of the room and a mysterious spell paralyzes you”

All fixed

[undone beacon]

In one of my current campaigns we cheesed a boss fight by just teleporting away because the DM forgot he gave us some dimensional locket bullshit

[round pendant]

d&d is lame

I will die on this hill

[frosty mango]

Ur lame

Gottem

[undone beacon]

And he was like “yeah, okay touché. Anyways we’re doing something else now with the story ”

[fringe mural]

i did want to say that but was too lazy to type it 😄

[undone beacon]

D&D is fun af with the right group of people, just like most activities

[fringe mural]

true

[undone beacon]

Some of the most fun I had in college was D&D with my friends

[fringe mural]

with lame people dnd is lame

[undone beacon]

And some of the most awkward was D&D with strangers

One girl was like “my campaign is inspired by gravity falls” so I’m like okay cool mystery cryptid campgain I fuck with it

It was literally just gravity falls, with the characters from the show

[round pendant]

holy cinema

I've slept 4 hours in the last 2 days

[undone beacon]

[heavy fossil]

any proc war wanna do voidspire myth first 4 EU?

[fringe mural]

well that speaks volumes about her mental capacity

props to you for going through with it

i can really discuss a while with people with opinions that differ from my own, even if vastly, but dumb people are on another level

it's very hard to keep my cool sometimes when i notice a student is just beyond saving

and would be happier by picking up a trade

instead of forcing himself through the exams

[round pendant]

Everyone's beyond saving

The world is cooked, we blew it

and I mean literally, it's gonna be 36C here

[fringe mural]

nah, we just build a wall

[round pendant]

What

[fringe mural]

between northern and southern hemisphere

let the south burn while we freeze to death

"oh it's getting cold climate change is not real"

wait for the discussion in 10 years when the gulf stream is dead in the literal water

it will get cold af

[round pendant]

I used to get mad about these things

[fringe mural]

i just hope i'm not poor enough to be locked out of the habitable zone

we'll see

[round pendant]

he thinks money will save him

[fringe mural]

either that or meghan trainor

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-groove-no-meghan-trainor-gif-11874643

G-E-N-E-T-I-C-S

[round pendant]

I despise this woman

[fringe mural]

i don't particulary like her too

but they might sort people by genetic footprint if not by money which i arguably don't own much of

[round pendant]

None of it matters when you have a few billion people being displaced

[fringe mural]

but back from the fatalistic excourse

[round pendant]

anyway this might be a disallowed topic

[fringe mural]

i'm gonna log in now

distract myself from the world in wow like a good boy

[cerulean tusk]

Dont worry, spots will be based on who wins in 1v1 duels outside of Storm Wind

[fringe mural]

this

[round pendant]

poor apb isn't getting in

:(

[fringe mural]

in elwynn forest

or crossroads

[ivory barn]

just log in you'll get 3400, "tries to apply in lfg."
Decline
Decline
Decline

Time to fire up they run your own key method

[fringe mural]

you're not playing guardian yet?

[ivory barn]

No I only play things with a shield that tanks

[fringe mural]

play resto and run into the pack

tank with your shield

or melee holy like nim

and get nice parses

[ivory barn]

Only time I played a non shield tank was dk

And let's just say... Stuff got gripped

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/lich-king-lich-king-patrick-patrcik-star-lich-king-patrick-star-gif-23536793

[shrewd cosmos]

Awoo made a video where he thinks Warrior is simple as Druid xD

[round pendant]

pwar is pretty simple

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree

[round pendant]

I'd say they're in the same tier

[lusty grotto]

bear is simpler, but not by a whole lot

[shrewd cosmos]

Bear doesn't care about positioning no hits in the back like come on

[cerulean tusk]

I press shieldblock, I spam revenge

... warrior is hard

[coarse bay]

All tanks do, it’s just a matter of how much

[round pendant]

It's still bad to take backshots as bear

[cerulean tusk]

No, not this discussion again, no, we been spared it for months now! No, no! Nooooo!

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-the-voices-get-really-loud-got-EqQjJGze14ED0WluL7

[shrewd cosmos]

They literally do W in 22 + with 0 fuck given

[round pendant]

also not getting hit in the ass is one of the easiest things to learn

[coarse bay]

Go do a 22 then as bear

[ivory barn]

But it's a bear, the fur should protect it's ass

[coarse bay]

Tanks arent rotationally hard, but doing a 22 is hard

[fringe mural]

i don't get where that comes from

[lusty grotto]

i honestly dont know who awoo is

but hes not wrong

period

[coarse bay]

Awoo is an oce streamer

[lusty grotto]

but simple does not mean its not hard to master

[fringe mural]

do people feel bad when they play a class that is easy to play?

[coarse bay]

Why would they

[undone beacon]

Awoo is a big bear guy

[fringe mural]

because they bring that up all the time

[ivory barn]

Oh no my skill gap

[round pendant]

is bear meta this season boys

[lusty grotto]

with brew, sure

[round pendant]

is it just the usual case of "meta tank is easy braindead and I'm a god for playing the lowtier"

[lusty grotto]

kinda tied atm

[shrewd cosmos]

I think he is wrong
Period

[coarse bay]

There has literally always been a skill gap even on the easiest specs

[undone beacon]

It had a surprise upset buff and is now giga

[lusty grotto]

i dont think cause i dont know him

period

so it matters not

and even if i did know him i wouldnt care

[round pendant]

ofc I quit wow right before bear season

[undone beacon]

Bear isn’t hard but neither is pwarr 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

I started playing right after bear season and quit right before bear season

[coarse bay]

I was playing with awoo one time and he left to go play with another streamer

[round pendant]

I never got to play meta bear

[undone beacon]

To be fair it was brew season until thrash got a 200% buff

[plush tendon]

time to resub

[round pendant]

nah I'm good

[plush tendon]

[fringe mural]

hard is very subjective

[round pendant]

oh god

No NO

NOOOO

[undone beacon]

uwu

[round pendant]

We're not having that conversation again

[ivory barn]

"oh no my tank is bad, better go banned on blizzard forums"

[fringe mural]

pardon?

[coarse bay]

Most of the difficulty of tanking doesnt lie in the spec itself

[round pendant]

the subjective vs objective difficulty debate

[coarse bay]

Warrior has a little bit more to pay attention to, but not much

[fringe mural]

it's not a debate

like i am certified smart af, but i struggle with some tanking stuff so

[round pendant]

certified?!

[fringe mural]

yeah i have a piece of paper proving it

[coarse bay]

There’s a literal certificate

Hanging on his wall

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, straight from the School of Nimchip's Ratty Radgers. I seen it

[round pendant]

holy he's got smartypants id

[fringe mural]

it says "smart af"

written by me

[coarse bay]

I believe it

[round pendant]

Well

[fringe mural]

thanks

see

[coarse bay]

The written by you part

[round pendant]

I'm a certified idiot and I find tanking easy

checkmate

[plush tendon]

guys, should I reroll to Bear? Prot War seems really weak. But I dont have much vers so maybe thats it?

[fringe mural]

yeah exactly my point

[plush tendon]

[shrewd cosmos]

I love Discord It gives me so much entertainment when I am at work

[coarse bay]

Up that vers

[fringe mural]

some people play a class well and they feel superior

[undone beacon]

That’s why we’re here

[jagged pier]

yer its the vers

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, it is 100% cause you dont track your current IP strength

[jagged pier]

yer and what was said about it earlier he doesnt know how to play the class

[undone beacon]

You need at least 30% vers natty or you will get onetapped by everything

[fringe mural]

okay

[undone beacon]

Easy

[fringe mural]

i'll write that down

[round pendant]

You don't agree with that take?

[ivory barn]

[fringe mural]

and put it up on the wall next to my smart certificate

[ivory barn]

Naw they weren't talented 1/4 apex

[coarse bay]

I agree with the take, but i also agree that awoo doesnt know how to warrior well

[shrewd cosmos]

Thank you this is what I mean

[coarse bay]

I dont personally think awoo is an authority figure for tanking

[jagged pier]

druid is easier, but from what ppl said about his guide of prot warrior earlier he doesnt actually know how the play the spec at all

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/narcissisticabuserehab-sparta-the-300-leonides-nLPHXhciLXhnckv7Fg

1/4 gang!

[round pendant]

can't be worse than a yoda guide

[fringe mural]

i don't think someone who calls himself awoo is an authority on anything except bad name taste

[jagged pier]

i dont know what yodas guide says

[undone beacon]

We should all go watch the awoo video

[coarse bay]

Ive seen awoo’s tank guides and i dont think theyre very good, but theyre good for newer players

[undone beacon]

And write a report

[jagged pier]

how about we dont give strimmers money

[round pendant]

most guides are atrocious

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

I find it insane that any streamer makes money outside of ad revenue

[shrewd cosmos]

Yoda is on another level. This guy hates Warrior

[round pendant]

imagine looking at your paycheck and being like

[fringe mural]

and then hand him the bunch of reports?

[undone beacon]

This was kind of his whole ethos, I remember when he started making content in the bear channel. Now he’s a divisive figure there it seems

[round pendant]

hmm I'm gonna give a portion of this to mr streamer

[cerulean tusk]

Guides should strive for the "Skyhold mark of approval", that they can put on as a sticker on their thumbnail

[ivory barn]

"go buy my UI" I mean I used to but why now

[jagged pier]

yer so y make a guide or listen to him, he open about not liking the class so why would he put in the time to understand it if he doesnt lik eit

[fringe mural]

the nim rat poop balls

as the mark of approval

three black balls

[lusty grotto]

after yoda's written doc in DF, there's nothing to be said

[undone beacon]

It’s like when you hate watch a show. I know more about RWBY than I should for that reason

[round pendant]

yoda doc was peak

[jagged pier]

i dont do that, so i dont know

[round pendant]

I hate watched The Boys and it paid off

what a gloriously dogshit ending

[lusty grotto]

yoda is a great player but i wouldn't watch him for prot warrior content, everything else is great

[shrewd cosmos]

There is something about Warrior all tank streamers don't like it. Kira is more fair but the rest .....

[cerulean tusk]

Only I know of Yoda, is that he said pwarior was weak DPS wise, when we were broken AF

After that I never taken that name seriously

[shrewd cosmos]

TWW 3 right ?

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, dont actually remember what season it was

[plush tendon]

Curious what each tank streamer's "main/favorite tank" is

[cerulean tusk]

My brain says DF

[plush tendon]

I know Yoda is a big Prot Pal enjoyer

not sure about the others

[jagged pier]

its all different

like noawh is bdk i think

yoda paladin

awoo druid

[shrewd cosmos]

Sha monk

[plush tendon]

hes Swedish; for some reason, Swedes love BDK

[cerulean tusk]

Noawh clearly isnt a very infuential individual then

Poor BDK

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

problem is, he also likes bear

so hes happy

[plush tendon]

rework coming soon for blood

just you guys wait

[jagged pier]

like most of them the only one he doesnt lie is prot warrior

[round pendant]

it's true the only swede tank I've ever met is also a bdk enjoyer

[cerulean tusk]

At this point, I pray that it does, the fun BDK is gone

[jagged pier]

its as if most of them dont like mitigation

but prefer reative stuff

so they can screw things up and fix it

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, the fun part of BDK was riding that fine line of immortal and dead

Doing crazy pulls

living on pure adrinaline

[jagged pier]

the fun part of bdk is not playing it

[cerulean tusk]

Now it is slowed down, clunky and you just aint in control, as your life is in the hands of procs

BDK is not a spec I would recommend to anyone anymore

[plush tendon]

in its current form? 100% no

[cerulean tusk]

Well, kinda hard to recommend someone based on something that aint, now isnt it?

[plush tendon]

I think the most fun beginner tank is Prot Pal

[cerulean tusk]

Beginner tank, prob warrior. As it is just what you expect

no tricks, nothing fancy

Sword and board, simple

[fringe mural]

i'd agree

for the fun part

it's very satisfying to play

even when you die you're like, whew, what a ride

doesn't the difficulty in higher keys come from kick, stun, knowing when to hit cds etc

no matter which tank

[ivory barn]

You can die mid cooldown and just laugh

[fringe mural]

yeah

exactly

[cerulean tusk]

ppally fans are weird

[plush tendon]

yea, generally for like beginner keys, you dont need to worry too much on 'whats the tankiest'. But its certainly the most satisfying tank to play

when you pop Wings->Divine Toll

its just

[ivory barn]

Last boss of Nexus point

[fringe mural]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/toll-the-dead-bells-gif-20615513

[round pendant]

can confirm, was a ppal fan, was weird

still am weird, but still

[mighty sapphire]

Is it better to thunder clap 2-3 times in a row or revenge after the first TC if you never get SS to come back up

[plush tendon]

you should press generators first

the priority is Thunder Blast->SS->Thunderclap

[mighty sapphire]

Ok ok ty. Wasn’t sure if TC was worth it without the buff from ss

[ivory barn]

Tblast in general or 2 charges?

[plush tendon]

TBlast over SS

[lusty grotto]

thats a weird question gg

considering youve been here

since forever

you should know better

[plush tendon]

think of Prot War like a furnance and rage is the fuel. You wanna burn as much fuel as possible and to do that you need to generate as much fuel as you can

[ivory barn]

Brain had no coffee

[lusty grotto]

thane buffs TC on a lot of nodes, so yes its worth it

[plush tendon]

the more fuel you generate then more you can burn which, with our CDR talents, will lead to more CDs being used which means more generated fuel which means more to burn

[lusty grotto]

you dont revenge unless all of your generators are down and only to get them reset

[plush tendon]

also helps that our generators are our heavy hitters

[mighty sapphire]

Got it. I also find myself with a high IP, SB up, and I’m getting close to maxxing my rage. It seems useless to IP more, but revenge won’t use enough rage before ss and tc ready again

[lusty grotto]

you SHOULD IP more

[plush tendon]

IP over the cap; you need to treat IP as a rage dump

since its off the GCD

[mighty sapphire]

Yeah I do, just seems like a waste when it’s maxed

[plush tendon]

its your best tool to burn rage fast

[lusty grotto]

not a waste

[mighty sapphire]

Wish we had another rage dump

[lusty grotto]

rage use is always a win

[plush tendon]

that is our rage dump and its very good at its job

[lusty grotto]

far from being a waste

[plush tendon]

since its off the GCD

[lusty grotto]

read this if youre confused about IP usage: #protection message

[lofty warren]

Ip has some icd i think? Like if youre at max rage, bind ip to mouse wheel, and then spin it won't all get used up all at once?

[lusty grotto]

yes it has an icd, no you should not do that regardless

[plush tendon]

@ionic fern Just visited IV site; it looks A LOT better then before

[mighty sapphire]

Ty

[fringe mural]

i mean the only situation where you can not really run out of rage is when ravager spins in a group of mobs

then you can just spam ip lol

[ivory barn]

I think IV had a CSS upgrade

[lusty grotto]

they were testing it since last summer

well over a year ago

it was just in specific sections only

now its applied everywhere

[plush tendon]

yea, its looking very good

before it looked like a bootleg version of wowhead

[ivory barn]

I didn't log into it since like DF till this season

[lofty warren]

IV just got a look and feel update and not necessarily content upgrade right? Bear guide still the pumps guy as the writer so I immediately didn't trust it. Went to the bear m+ page and it said the best build uses 3/4 apex talents 🗑️

[plush tendon]

this is the build they recommend for M+

[lofty warren]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/guardian-druid-pve-tank-mythic-plus-tips see the guide here with 3/4

[plush tendon]

seems to have conflicting builds

if you go to the talent tab

its the 0/4 build

[ivory barn]

Guide writer be like, "here lemme fucking confuse you"

[plush tendon]

guys, is Prot War Overpowered? I just checked noxxic and we are doing so much more damage then other tanks with our one-button assist

[jagged pier]

[fringe mural]

nerf inc

[undone beacon]

[buoyant wyvern]

Im curious why guides recommend full apex talents without Indommitable and Battle-scarred veteran, but almost everyone in logs and youtube does the exact opposite. Is it because it recommends the biggest possible dmg build?

[shrewd cosmos]

Hahah this guy

[lusty grotto]

no

read pins

and stop looking at archon

[buoyant wyvern]

thanks

[sharp cape]

Hey I'm new to Prot Warr and I have a Question.. is Mountain Thane really that much better than Colossus for prot?

[lusty grotto]

yes

at least at the current moment it is

[plush tendon]

both offer distinct playstyles. Personally im more of a fan of Col

but current tuning MT is the better choice

but Col is stil viable if you want to try a different flavor

[sharp cape]

Can you explain the difference in play style.
I am usually an "against the grain" kind of guy. Same with my holy pally. I am more comfortable in Lightsmith than Herald!

[ivory barn]

Noxxic?

https://tenor.com/view/peter-family-guy-throwing-his-car-off-a-cliff-nosolohit-stan-twitter-gif-12069191405568522303

[mighty valley]

while you're looking at the pins, don't forget to ping nimchip for aoe sims

[plush tendon]

MT plays more like BFA Prot War. Theres extra emphasis on Thunderclap and a new proc called Thunderblast. It general has a higher APM and you press Clap a lot more often then Col

[lusty grotto]

colossus is more about revenge, thane is more about thunderclap

[plush tendon]

Col plays more like SL Prot War. With Col you get a new ability called Demolish and theres a heavier influence of weaving in Revenge for big damage and to buff up your next demolish

[lusty grotto]

thats the simplest way to explain it

[plush tendon]

plays a bit slower/less rage

[ionic fern]

Ya,I like it also

[sharp cape]

Well I've gone from 0-1500 Ió in like 4 hrs

[ionic fern]

Pumps is literally one of the top bears tho.

[fringe venture]

Prolly its me being weird but I cant find in pins a correct explanation.
Actually Im not using indomitable but yes using veteran talent. And since the Buff im running also de Magic def talent. Am I using wrong talents? For the rest im using what y guys recommended me time ago, standard build

[plush tendon]

top bear, but prob needs to check his work on the IV site. Some conflicting information

The Mythic plus build in talents doesnt match the one recommended in the Mythic plus tab

[mighty valley]

there are a few reasonable ways to flex if you want defensive talents like indom/bsv, or last stand for heal absorbs or whatever. but going 1/4 ain't it

[fringe venture]

I never ran 1/4, always 4/4

[plush tendon]

especially now that 4 set got buffed from 5% DR to 8% DR

[lunar flare]

I mean what is “wrong”? If it works for you and you’re not dying who cares?

[mighty valley]

sorry, I prob assumed you were asking about 1/4 since that's the meme question lol

[fringe venture]

Well thats true, I dont find indomitable saving me that much, I rather to run the flames m. Def

[lunar flare]

I think people spend too much time overthinking such little things when in reality you should just run a reasonable build you’re comfortable with and get reps in. Go have fun brother

[fringe venture]

Dont worry, either I explained myself correctly probably

[lusty grotto]

what explanation do you need or want

[lunar flare]

Make sure to specifically run 1/4 and tag @lusty grotto though

[plush tendon]

Oh, now theres a Octobro in the chat

[ionic fern]

They pick more defensive talents due to the level of content they are doing.
Guides are generally geared towards the newer people and the talents suggested there are a decent all-around combination of defensive and offensive value.
Some people also just run what they themselves find "comfortable".

[plush tendon]

👋🏻

[fringe venture]

If indomitable is that good to sacrifice for example the haste and stamima talent. Just wondering.

[ivory barn]

From a defensive standpoint, Fttf and defensive mode next to it, or indom is a wonder id better to drop maybe last stand for the duo top

[plush tendon]

My brewmaster is named Octobrew

[lusty grotto]

the pins are about 1/4 not those talents

[ivory barn]

Bamboozl

[lunar flare]

Excellent choice! I was gonna do that too haha

[mighty valley]

this is 1000% true, unless you're trying to be bad it's kinda hard to make a prot warrior build that won't get you through keys when you're getting started

[fringe venture]

Ok so mb, sorry

[lunar flare]

Yeah exactly, I feel as long as you don’t int yourself with a 1/4 meme build and you’re not doing title keys you can just have fun trying everything out and seeing what you vibe with

People want to blame their builds because it’s easier and mentally safer than admitting they’re not as good as they think they are

[ionic fern]

That was me when everyone was stacking TD corruptions and i was rocking full leech pretending to be a BDK.

[lusty grotto]

i personally dont feel like indom provides that much value

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

but that is an opinion

ive been running NPX with different self sustain combos

indom does not seem that impactful

what is suprising though

is theres one particular combo that does

BSV + Second Wind

[plush tendon]

Second Wind?

[lusty grotto]

BSV procs and so does 2nd wind's 2nd part

heals you up to full

due to BSV heal buff

also helps to run field dressing

[ionic fern]

Level 20 AA

4.4k hps with 42 percent overheal.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i guess i also should have added that i was testing against the heal absorb pull

there's one thing i want to test and thats the seat trinket, but sadly i do not have one

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter. 42 percent overheal is rough.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i havent even touched LS

also

and my testing is only on 16/17s

for anything else other than the heal absorb pull...

[undone beacon]

I miss the week in 11.2 ptr where colossus tier set gave us giga bleed and FBV was like 250% healing from bleeds and we were just bdks

[plush tendon]

@ionic fern quick edit for the IV guide

[ionic fern]

Same. All my time currently is taken up by my newborn so I barely have any time to play seriously.

[plush tendon]

you put void stalkers twice on the list

[undone beacon]

[ionic fern]

One is m+,other is st

[plush tendon]

😮

Im mega dumb

[ionic fern]

Top is the rows

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

Goober moment

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/fart-gif-27284441

[lusty grotto]

babby mwahi jr comes 1st

[ionic fern]

Not enough excels.

[undone beacon]

What tank is the little one gonna roll Mwahi

[ionic fern]

Hahahahah.

[plush tendon]

cut me a break, its the Friday till Memorial Day weekend

[ionic fern]

Imagine thinking it's up to her to decide. Go brown or go home.

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[plush tendon]

Gnome Prot War with pig tails

[undone beacon]

Also it’s the Friday before a holiday weekend why am I being asked to turn off our EDR for a full week

Gonna go apoplectic leave me alone

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's... kind of weird

[plush tendon]

I just ate a whole box of Swedish Ginger Snaps

[undone beacon]

“We’re having latency on these servers and we think it might be the EDR but we have no proof just a hunch because we hate you and hope you die so please leave our servers vulnerable for a whole week so we can see if that fixes the issue (it won’t) “

[lusty grotto]

yeah...

on that note

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-a-cookie-ricky-berwick-put-cat-pet-gif-20618162

[lusty grotto]

make sure you CYA and message/email something along the lines of "yeah i wouldnt recommend it"

if youre in a lead position

[undone beacon]

Oh I straight up responded to the thread and said no

[lusty grotto]

good

always good to CYA

especially as prot warrior

[plush tendon]

should be CY@

[lusty grotto]

poor nimchipadin

3/3 bonus rolls

3/3 unneeded garbage

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-gif-13767303

Gotta love someone saying "this should help, but let's make it so the world can see everything"

[lofty warren]

How is gays not s tier for m+ i swear it out sims like everything

[ivory barn]

Lemme guess go heart?

[plush tendon]

naw, I run Mythic Gaze+Plume

[ivory barn]

I have gaze, crit trinket but they only 285

[plush tendon]

it is very possible to get into a Mythic pug for first two in Voidspire

and Chim is doable... just might take a bit longer

[ivory barn]

Maybe I'll try this weekend

[true idol]

if you have gold just buy a m chim kill for the rio credit and then you can get in the decent pugs every tues with good rio. or bang your head into a pug prog group if you hate yourself(thats what i did)

[undone beacon]

Buying a mythic chim kill

[true idol]

i just cant imagine what those progression groups are like at this point in the season

[lofty warren]

I pugged myth chim like 3 weeks ago with all Chinese ppl I couldn't understand the female RL in disc but it only took 4-5 tries

Knee how

[true idol]

ok that sounds fun

[ivory barn]

I have 10k

[true idol]

how do you repair my child

[ivory barn]

Very carefully

[true idol]

find some shield with a lucky indestructible tag and let everything else rot

[ivory barn]

I think I break even between selling items, and running keys

[ivory barn]

I fooking wish

I ran a old raid for gold yesterday lol

[lusty grotto]

uhh why

theres like 3k in world quests in eversong alone

[ivory barn]

If you have alts

[lusty grotto]

2k in voidstorm, 2k in harandar, 800 in zulaman

wdym

thats 6.8k in world quests alone

on a single character

[ivory barn]

[lusty grotto]

alts just make it more

[fringe mural]

plus profession gold

get rich or die tryin

[plush tendon]

or work at McDs for a hour or two

[ivory barn]

I yeeted 300k into blacksmithing , fucking full pop realms

[plush tendon]

and buy a token

[fringe mural]

Hell ya

i can't eat mcd nuggets any more

[lusty grotto]

what does putting 300k into BS have to do with a full pop realm

i didnt put 1 cent

or silver

theres absolutely no reason to

[fringe mural]

idk, he probably didnt farm his mats?

[lusty grotto]

mats are cross realm AH

[fringe mural]

Ah is region wide isnt it?

[lusty grotto]

for certain items

boe's = no

[fringe mural]

okay

[lusty grotto]

regular mats = yes

[sharp gale]

1 pull cost me 340 gold in repair

[undone beacon]

They should add an item off the great vault pity vendor that lets you trade tokens for terts

Throw indestructible on all my gear over the course of like three months for the bit

[lusty grotto]

guild repairs

there's more than enough ways to make gold easily without being a goblin

and they def dont take a lot of time

[true idol]

1 hour of doordash for 1 token

[lusty grotto]

yup

[ivory barn]

I didn't farm a lot of mats no, but I wanted to make gold with a profession this xpac and it's bit me in the ass

[lusty grotto]

the only gold i spent on BS was trainer costs and to buy the 2h axe recipe, which cost me a whole 3k by realm hopping and warband banking it

[ivory barn]

Being on illidan for enchants and mats also doesn't help, prices can be 10-15k more

[undone beacon]

This guy draining my guild bank fr

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[ivory barn]

My guild turns that on only during raid night

[undone beacon]

We actually ran dry for the first time ever this xpac, had to dump gold in to keep repairs covered (and lower the max threshold lmao)

Also fun fact you get a discount on repairs if you have exalted rep with whatever faction the vendor you use is

Meaning Cousin Slowhands is ripping you off

[lusty grotto]

yeah that has existed since vanilla

[lofty warren]

Imo item durability is lame and legacy inconvenience that should be removed just like hunters needing to buy and carry around arrows

[undone beacon]

Yep, but shockingly few people realize it

[ivory barn]

That yak stealing 🗑️

[lusty grotto]

i would agree, except they need a gold dump or else inflation will affect the economy

and it benefits blizzard

because more tokens are sold

[ivory barn]

it's 🏠 now

[lofty warren]

Perverse inventive, tokens for gold should also be removed

[ivory barn]

"go to trade chat and tell people you can make am item" yeah and get yelled at

[serene agate]

How am I supposed to deal with adepts in Skyreach on +15 or higher? They are fast AF and maul me

[undone beacon]

I should be able to hire a personal blacksmith at my house that can repair my gear for free over time

[undone beacon]

Stun em, slow em and backpedal

[harsh cypress]

Spell reflect will reduce the damage from dot as well

[ivory barn]

I rebound S to backwards last night

[undone beacon]

The dot falls off fast and is applied on melees. Just get out of melee range and let it drop

It isn’t fun but it’s what you gotta do

[lusty grotto]

yeah and crit/parry helps

ive reset stacks just by parrying

[lofty warren]

The annoying thing is less having yo kite the bird that bleed you but more about the blinding light being cast and if youre in a pug not being confident that someone else will get it so yoi have to do it yourself while kiting and avoiding bad circles

[lusty grotto]

just focus target javelineer it

or mouse over javelineer it

[fringe mural]

Ht silence is one of the best things they gave us

[lofty warren]

Being vdh was better cc wise in dragonlands and even in tww bc you had interrupt, imprison, aoe silence, aoe pull, aoe stun nova, aoe stun (delayed in a circle)

[fringe mural]

How was being a demon hunter better than being a warrior

Smh

[lofty warren]

Demon vomit and have 2 jumps war only 1

[fringe mural]

we're not all little boys that wanna play illidan

dh is the darkshadow of classes

[ivory barn]

I've almost leveled a warrior on another real. Just to get off of the fucking gold prices

[austere sleet]

does javelineer actually interupt? or does warr have to hit before it starts casting to silence?

[lofty warren]

It has travel time

[undone beacon]

It silences the mob, it doesn’t interrupt it. If the mob is casting and it gets silenced, that essentially is a kick but is technically a different mechanic

CC immune mobs for example, you can’t interrupt with Jav

[austere sleet]

does it have a cooldown before it can silence again?

[undone beacon]

45 seconds, the CD of Wrecking Throw

[lofty warren]

Imagine if throw spear didnt have a cd

[ivory barn]

Wtb champion spear silence ring

[plush tendon]

I miss DF VDH

my favorite tank of all time

[austere sleet]

oh wait, i think i see my mistake

was thinking heroic throw was the silence hahaha

[lofty warren]

Doing blackrock in d2 (or maybe s3) was the best could pull the universe and lock down the mobs yourself

[undone beacon]

Ah, yeah. Different throw

We have three different throw options, Heroic, Shattering, and Wrecking

Anyone miss Titanic throw? I remember macroing that into my charge

[austere sleet]

yeah its the big throw

was running around in open world, trying to interupt with heroic like "wtf, these liars, they're still casting"

[jagged gust]

Titanic throw was genuinely good for gathering

Just sucked when you accidentally triple pulled twice a dungeon

[plush tendon]

Blackrook? S3

[undone beacon]

Me lobbing a handful of axes at a random pack in narnia

Very fun

[plush tendon]

One of my favorite keys Ive done of all time

[fringe mural]

It was for a while, you would talent ht to have a longer cd and silence

i think that was added in legion

but they didn't keep it

[stone tundra]

It was a wrath talent

"gag order"

[fringe mural]

oh it's that long

[stone tundra]

yup

100% with both points in

[lofty warren]

Sick +30 I think I stopped that season after doing 26s or something it was pretty early on. Hated everbloom especially the 2nd and 3rd bosses

[plush tendon]

Everbloom was a tough one

brutal key in terms of trash and three of the bosses

and timer was not easy

Though that 30 Blackrook was awesome. With a Holy priest, arms warrior and ret

only 2 of the 'meta' comp

[ivory barn]

"I can't fight it"

[plush tendon]

nightmares

[jagged gust]

Best season in the past 3 expacs?

I think so

[plush tendon]

I really enjoyed DF Season 3, but tank balance wise if you werent playing VDH, you were kind of trolling

in terms of balance, prob War Within S1 and S3 take the cake though and DF Season 1

but for high key pushing, i have mixed feelings on resil keys

[jagged gust]

Iunno, I'm on board for resil for the most part

[plush tendon]

I think it artificially pushes keys too high and promotes people to 'spread' resil around

[jagged gust]

But I don't pug so that part doesn't really affect me

[ivory barn]

I have 12 resil, does that just mean nothing below a 12 depletes?

[plush tendon]

yea

basically your key cant deplete below a 12

[stone tundra]

including 12

[plush tendon]

unless you force it to by talking to the Panda lady

[undone beacon]

It’s not a perfect system but it’s not the worst thing

It sucked to be pushing keys just to watch your key get knocked 3 levels for having a bad night

[jagged gust]

It's better for the majority moreso than it is worse for the top .1%

[stone tundra]

it is kinda nothing for me rn

[undone beacon]

Plus it gives nice goalposts for non title pushers

“I wanna hit resi 16 this season “

[jagged gust]

Yeah the artificial goalposts are neat

A sweet little recruit got so happy pushing to 17 resil this season and I felt good for them

I like that shit

[plush tendon]

very true

and I'm glad they are experimenting with achievements for different % brackets now

[lofty warren]

If I have 15 resil and im doing a 16 key that fails it shouldn't drop to 15 imo

[undone beacon]

[coarse bay]

resi working like that would probably be worse tbh

[plush tendon]

I personally think the next step is to just make dungeons level work like delves

I dont think anyone likes depleting and, quite frankly, I no longer see a purpose in have keys 'deplete' and forcing you to repush

[undone beacon]

I think the next step is to remove dungeons and do delve+

[plush tendon]

just let people choose a level to work on whenever

[coarse bay]

ya delve system would be cool

[plush tendon]

assuming that everyone in the party has done the previous level

[lofty warren]

Why wojld that make resil worse? Now if you want to push you have to first time the thing you already did if you failed to time the one about your resil floor

[lusty grotto]

the next step is to rework resilient keys, the current system is dogshit

[coarse bay]

one of the bigger complaints ive heard about higher resi is the whole hitting your head against the resi wall for hours, the amount of time people spent in PSF and FG last 2 seasons is dreadful

[lusty grotto]

i would much rather have something along the lines of "this key that you havent timed has 3 chances, but if you fail 3 times you go down"

[coarse bay]

your suggestion is good for mid keys, but it promotes degen play in higher keys

[jagged gust]

I think the worst part about delves is they stop scaling once you're above champ ilvl, like sure it's cool being able to one tap everything but without scaling it just feels like a world quest

Make it go to 20 and give me a silly hat for achieving it

[wooden lily]

Just remove bricking

Sure folks wont like it but it will fix and allow some things to happen

[lofty warren]

If try hards want to do degen things then they will do degen things no matter what

[coarse bay]

bring back old bricking where it literally killed the key

[plush tendon]

Im ok with people doing that tbh. But I feel for the guy with the resil key XD

[lusty grotto]

not having derank has a lot of problems

[harsh trellis]

Keys should be like Delves

[lusty grotto]

and the main one i can think of is, bad choices being acceptable

[plush tendon]

just let the guys working on a resil 20 something bang their heads against it for a afternoon

[coarse bay]

ya it isnt fun for anybody involved

[plush tendon]

we do that in raid though

wipe 350 times to Mythic Lura

[coarse bay]

true

[plush tendon]

I dont think keys should be any different

[coarse bay]

idk im ok with them trying things out

[plush tendon]

same

[coarse bay]

surely something will hit

i dont want them to stagnate

[plush tendon]

allows for innovation

and would also take away some of the anxiety for players; the 'one shot, one opprtunity' enviorment of current keys can be quite daunting

[coarse bay]

i like the idea of allowing a higher key than the resi but with limited attempts

idk theres lots of things they can try

and hopefully do

[plush tendon]

I think once they do 'limited attempts' they might as well just make it 'do it as many times as you want'

[coarse bay]

maybe instead of a key derank it just rerolls after those attempts

[plush tendon]

and just treat M+ key pushing like Mythic raid prog

[lusty grotto]

resilient literally made peope just stop doing homework keys

[coarse bay]

what if they made it to where it depletes if u leave/abandon, but completing keeps same key lvl

[coarse bay]

ya

[lusty grotto]

so most of the players thinks they are entitled to time it

[coarse bay]

kinda hurts the system in ways too

[plush tendon]

they only stop doing HW if the person in your group already has the resil though

[lusty grotto]

the only people that realistically do homework keys are the top of the ladder because they basically do not give a shit about resil

[plush tendon]

so you basically need a 'in' to do some of the harder keys of someone with the key you need and at the resil level you need

[lusty grotto]

youre not refuting what i said

resil keys killed homework keys

period

[coarse bay]

for most people ya

[plush tendon]

thats fine

[coarse bay]

pretty much only teams have hw keys

[plush tendon]

but I think its time to allow people to actually practice in the key level they are progging

without having to bring someone who has already done it

[lusty grotto]

that was probably the intention, but its doing everything but that

[plush tendon]

I think once they do that and allow teams to work on keys they want and at the current key level they should be progging, I think it'll help a lot of the in-between key push groups keep going

[lofty warren]

Why does bear suffer the least of the tanks from back shots?

[plush tendon]

and maybe itll make LFG a bit less toxic

[jagged gust]

I think the winners are gonna keep on winning and the losers are gonna keep making Reddit posts

[plush tendon]

since if you invite someone to your 19 Prog Nexus Point key and deplete

yall can still go again

or replace

and not hoping that someone puts a charity resil key in LFG because they depleted their 20 and need to get back up to their prog level

[ivory barn]

The "how the fuck did you die" comes to mind with these resil tactics

[plush tendon]

I mean yea, but now its 'how did you die, we actually have a opprotunity to figure it out"

[lofty warren]

So many 18s are like 2-3 deaths? Vote abandon even if key is like 50% done and would time if not mess up again

[lusty grotto]

resil introduced more than just that:

• no deranking means less roles for lower keys, because there's just people that have no reason to go do them, you can speak about rewards/time investment all you want but at the end of the day it will seem there's a BIGGER tank shortage due to this
• entitlement, toxic behavior
• no deranking makes absolutely no sense for high ranks and more sense for lower ranked keys, high ranked players WANT and actually enjoy hw keys
• gave rise to an influx of vote abandons because... well, "its resil", the biggest problem with this being that a huge portion of the people that vote abandon do not understand time within the key and whether they can still time or not

[ivory barn]

I was in a 14 magisters and we wiped on the first boss and they just abandoned immediately

[lusty grotto]

not to mention the whole problem of talenting/gearing combinations because resil keys "allows it"

[ivory barn]

If you wanna just instant abandon go play a meta spec and GTFO out my lobby

[lusty grotto]

vote abandon is not bad

but people need to know if it aint happening or not

[drifting rampart]

votes dogshit, im with a full group and we want to reset early, and theres a timer, or it bugs out when everyone goes out of key

soooo fuckin obnoxious

[lofty warren]

Most dps dont really keep track imo they just push button and follow tank

[lusty grotto]

that being said vote abandoning also killed homework keys

[plush tendon]

I can only speak from my experience, but when I was pushing keys with my group last season it became apparent very quickly once we got to the 20 range that in order to actually time something like a 20 Priory, we would need to sit someone and bring someone in with resil 20 already

[lusty grotto]

thats a crutch

[jagged gust]

Meanwhile I had 14 deaths in a magister 12 with me as a 250 fury and a 265 rogue and we still timed

[lusty grotto]

that you shouldn't need

[plush tendon]

and the dominant strat became for everyone to go off on their own and first to resil would then share the rewards

[lusty grotto]

see your argument here augusto?

[undone beacon]

It was very funny when you got booted from your own group waiting for people to zone out so you could reset that skyreach

[lusty grotto]

remember when i said

"entitlement to timing"?

[drifting rampart]

that tilted the shit out of me

[undone beacon]

I could tell

[plush tendon]

its the meta; with resil existing this is what people are doing regardless

if there was no resil Id agree with 'entitlement to timing', but it does now

[lusty grotto]

of course

[plush tendon]

and it filters through all the title key pushers through friends, sales, etc.

[lusty grotto]

but being "meta" or not does not mean its not a problem

it 100% absolutely is

[lofty warren]

Resil prevents you from falling below a floor but you can manually make yourself go below so its a choice and choice = good. Thus resil is better than it not existing at all

[lusty grotto]

look at this guy

do you really think a pepega type player would do great in a non-resil environment?

no

he wouldnt

[lofty warren]

If you want to do hw keys you have the ability to drop is low and do it

[lusty grotto]

but its good cause it can guarantee times

[plush tendon]

Resil doesnt guarantee times

[drifting rampart]

Resil keys need 3 charges before they drop

[plush tendon]

but it gives you the opportunity to work on harder keys

[lusty grotto]

yup thats what i mentioned earlier

[lusty grotto]

yes it fucking does

you yourself admitted it

"we had to invite someone"

thats just it

just replace your entire group until you get a carry

so it DOES guarantee times

[ivory barn]

I need a 300 ilvl 5k io for my +2

[plush tendon]

you still have to do the key

[lusty grotto]

you

you

not your team

it guarantees times period

because in case you forgot

a key being timed is not up to the resil key holder

its up to everyone

[drifting rampart]

Theres definitely an issue with resil keys too where people don't take them as seriously and play like clowns, wasting everyones times

[lofty warren]

Imo resil should be per dungeon that you did and prevent you from dropping to a key that equals the highest one you did. So if you did a +17 sky then your skyreach key wouldnt drop below 18 and at the same time if you only did a 16 nexus then you couldn't go below 17 nexus

[lusty grotto]

and on with the next point

look at pepega now

[lofty warren]

If you want to go lower go talk to the panda

[lusty grotto]

"you cant drop below a 17 skyreach"

welp

thats one player removed from the player pool in LFG!

TaNk ScArCitY

[lofty warren]

I means thats what im basically doing each week. Once I timed a 16 sky I didnt apply to any sky unless it was 17 or higher

[lusty grotto]

resil would absolutely make sense if it was an individual achievement, not a team one

as in

solo keys

[drifting rampart]

Its a good bandaid fix to some issues, it just needs some tweaking

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what i mentioned

[drifting rampart]

sorry i didnt read the full convo, i just popped in and joined in lol

I was hoping to find some more shitposting from that dude the other day with the "rank 1 parses"

[lofty warren]

If youre timed 16 sky youre applying to and doing 13-15 sky dungeons? But why

[lusty grotto]

homework keys

like the olden days

[lofty warren]

12 is hw level?

[lusty grotto]

why would 12 be hw level

its not even close to your target

[shrewd cosmos]

Resi Keys give a chance to not meta spec enjoying the game as well. You will never invite underperforming spec

[lofty warren]

By hw I mean "I need to fill vault and 12 gives max reward for least work"

[lusty grotto]

thats bullshit

otherwise the meta comps would be way more flexible, but they did not change to be that way at all

resilient keys have nothing to do with meta comping

[shrewd cosmos]

You are talking for 21 + but the ppl acting like this in 15 +

[lofty warren]

Do you agree with this? You would rather have current resil vs nkne at all?

[lusty grotto]

i would rather have none at all

[outer heron]

Im halfway to resil 19, ive had zero issues getting into groups at pwar

may sit in LFG for a bit but my opinion is groups will take whoever is decent and quing at the time

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-gif-9178178

[drifting rampart]

I think having current resil is better than none. I am much more likely to put my resil 20 into lfg to push it up while im waiting for my group

Less punishment = more keys in que

[ivory barn]

Tbh knowing a key won't drop from foul play is both great and horribly

[pine yarrow]

I have a question on ITF and HR. I got 1309 haste rating. First time im using it as im new to retail prot warrior. I am getting gaps of like 1-2 seconds in between. Is it because i spam it while i still habe SB running? Do i need to only apply a new SB when the last one runs out? It seems dangerous for me if I am not too used to it. 😄

[lofty warren]

If key is resil you can also try something that is a bit more risky knowing you can just reset jt

[jagged pier]

u will after time and u need to think about when to use it, end of a pack

maybe not

when a boss is casting

no

when a boss faorces u to move out

no

if u dont wnat to think

just play HR

[outer heron]

Just use HR

[crisp ocean]

just use hr

[ivory barn]

And pressing it to not cap charges fuels outburst

[lusty grotto]

i dont think theres a relation between resil and the amount of keys posted, im willing it makes no difference. Resil keys are used to either carry, help others get resil, or in a very very small number: your example

[pine yarrow]

Ye i figured about the situational use but I read the pin and i thought with perfect usage you dont get any gaps. Thanks tho. HR feels more safe ye. 😄

[drifting rampart]

Yeah just speaking from my own personal expierence with it, I could be a minority there

[lusty grotto]

this part is important

[ivory barn]

I got basically told if you don't keep up resil you don't get invited, but you can't get invited if your don't keep it up, it's like boi that is YOUR key

[outer heron]

I see both sides to resil, has pros and cons

[pine yarrow]

Yeah but the later part reads as if it would be 100% possible to do so.

[outer heron]

I like it because I get to have my friends join me in higher keys to help them get IO.

[plush tendon]

I will say, if I had a choice between current resil and the old way of doing keys, the current system is better

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

can you

[ivory barn]

3400 would be wonderful

[plush tendon]

I just think they can go a step further

[lusty grotto]

link to me what specifically makes it sounds that way?

[lofty warren]

A man of good reasoning you are

[plush tendon]

my brain is so large, that its outside my head

[outer heron]

TBH playing HR S1 is always the safer play. Idk even know the DPS gain from playing ITTF in keys is

[plush tendon]

My ITF vs HR sims

6% damage loss to play HR

[lofty warren]

If nimchomp like hw keys to push failed key back up I wonder if he also wishes they brough back thundering, bolstering, sanguine, raging, and the other punishment affixes

[plush tendon]

part of me does miss affixes

but that may be later in the season

keys do get stale

[pine yarrow]

player skill/tracking/management made me think It is just a skill issue to not get the 100% but I understand now. Thanks for helping out!

[plush tendon]

and, oddly enough, the bull shit of some affixes make it fun XD

[lusty grotto]

well, it is a skill issue

keeping SB up with ITF means you gotta min-max when you cast it

not taking damage? boss casting? mobs cc'd? dont refresh

[plush tendon]

or some good laughs; like having a turbo bolstered shitter mob

chasing you around

[lofty warren]

Some of the affix combos were terrible and made dead weeks like Fort, bolstering, raging

[plush tendon]

thats actually not terrible

[lusty grotto]

ive done a few runs with 1200 haste and ITF and the gaps are minimal

[plush tendon]

raging was pretty free

[lusty grotto]

if at all

[lofty warren]

Dont remember the worst combos but i nnow some were annoying af

[coarse bay]

Taking a break for a week wasnt bad

Just do some mid keys

[plush tendon]

sanquine weeks

[pine yarrow]

Yeye i get that but you that means you will not have a 100% uptime you just have it always up when it matters.

[outer heron]

you running haste flask nim?

[plush tendon]

like a sanquine Everbloom

[coarse bay]

It always matters

[plush tendon]

mobs would just bathe in red

[lofty warren]

Sanguine in sanguine depths terrible

[lusty grotto]

on vault keys no

on push keys yes

[craggy harness]

Thought while raiding on dragons last night-- now that we have had a Gateway Control Shard for several expansions-- can we have a Gateway Anticlick Shard? I hate clicking in a stack as I turn my camera like a rabbit with adhd and then gate with a boss to timbuknowhere.

[lusty grotto]

im making the swap because i just got there

[craggy harness]

Hmm, akshually. That's turned off by turning off interact on click right? Probably can make a weakaura to turn it off during combat

[jagged pier]

WA

[craggy harness]

i'm not going to mario the wario in that

[coarse bay]

Tbh i havent ever accidentally clicked a gate

But i am a chronic right click holder

[craggy harness]

Yeah, I would have thought I was too... but evidence clearly says otherwise last night lol

[lofty warren]

You can macro and then bind so you use gate without clicking it

[craggy harness]

No, you misunderstand. I want to not accidentally use it when I accidentally cllick on it.

https://tenor.com/view/marscatsvoyage-links-click-mcv-don-t-gif-4919070863787794036

I click links too

[lusty grotto]

i mean to be fair

in raids backshots from autos usually aren't an issue

[lofty warren]

Ohh I am unaware of how to not click something when you actually click it. Would think you can macro something very specific so you dont have to click whatever it is youre trying to. Like on myth sire denathrius I macrod /targetexact Sire's blade /cast taunt /cast targetlasttarget or something like that

[lusty grotto]

it would really be a problem in keys, but you only use lock portals on skips really

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/to-be-fair-dog-gif-16114932

[lusty grotto]

even in the skyreach giga pull, youre far away from mobs after you weyrn

[lusty grotto]

[craggy harness]

yeah, there was a gate in the melee pile ... probably for fear peopel to use and run past tanks

[lusty grotto]

for what fight

[craggy harness]

Vael and Ezz

Double D

[lusty grotto]

hmm

idk like a melee from one of them shouldn't really kill you

[craggy harness]

It's not a kill thing on me

it's a "whoops" vaelgor is now chasing me in the middle of the room and past ezz 😛

[lusty grotto]

oh lol

[plush tendon]

I never got to do dragons on my warrior

stuck playing BDK

[craggy harness]

they got someone third tank as bdk, i got to [Dragons no longer count for parses] parse

A few unlicensed taunts on the boss with death grip by mistake too

lol

Ah, first one I trying to click on a voidorb during intermission. Not the most eggregious

but 10 minutes later: https://www.twitch.tv/risendevil/clip/HelplessEsteemedLocustShazBotstix-xjHh9Xl4KcSrk-j5

[undone beacon]

During myth vorasius prog our warlock put a murder gate on accident that sent anyone who took it into the pit that was cool

[lofty warren]

Why does bear suffer the least of all the tanks by getting backshot?

[lusty grotto]

because armor does not have a positional requirement

and ironfur is armor

[frosty mango]

Watch a bear roll into a pack with no ironfur

Good times

[undone beacon]

Also bears cannot parry or block so you’re only losing dodge

Which is still a problem, but that plus ironfur make it a bit less punishing