protection

[plush tendon]

but its the same stat prio as Unholy so most just play that

[ivory barn]

A 245 uhdk beat a 286 fire mage

And I made the pulls as tank fairly massive

[fringe mural]

Well i'd play frost because

Unholy and slimy things suck ass

and should get burned

[plush tendon]

Ive always preferred Unholy more

except for Wrath FDK

[fringe mural]

wrath fdk was awesome

[plush tendon]

the thing that annoys me about FDK now is that damage outside pillar is just so sad

id rather Frost have a more flat damage profile

its the same with Unholy tbf

I really like disease builds

[fringe mural]

like enhancer if you fuck the rotation

you deal zero dmg

it's so bad

[plush tendon]

its hard to fuck up the unholy rotation

and it is fun

but DK literally hits like a wet noodle outside 45 seconds/1:30

[fringe mural]

Is there a holy dps build for priest yet?

[plush tendon]

I actually really liked ret for that reason to

felt like I always had damage

[fringe mural]

Prot Paladin is massive in every regard

massive dmg taken, massive heals, massive burst

just everything's like BAM

[plush tendon]

eh, I dont totally agree

I think Prot Pal is actually quite good

[ivory barn]

And a massive pug get outta jail free toolkit

[plush tendon]

the buffs they got were pretty massive

[fringe mural]

i do too

[plush tendon]

but you gotta play Sent

[fringe mural]

i do

[plush tendon]

but with Sent and Ardent you basically always have a CD running

[plush tendon]

well I dont XD, but my Paladin is a +12 god

[fringe mural]

ah you mean the talent

I play the iv build

The m+ one, no idea if sentinel is in it

[plush tendon]

the heck is IV build

[cerulean tusk]

I kinda want to know, but also... I had a good day so far, I dont want it ruined by a headache

[lusty grotto]

IV = icy veins

but no idea what that means for prot pally

[ivory barn]

So I deleted like 5 add-ons last night and gained more frames. Blizzard you sneaky company

[fringe mural]

i don't even know if that's a difference, i just looked up the iv talents

and took those recommended for m+

[ivory barn]

Warcraft is purity now

[fringe mural]

also killed nullaeus yesterday with the fresh paladin by speccing heal and just winging it

i had zero clue what to do

Still worked

pala heal is really nice for st healing

[lusty grotto]

not just for ST

[fringe mural]

i didn't try it in another situation yet so i can't tell

But i heard it's good in keys too

[lusty grotto]

well i have

[fringe mural]

druid pala and resto shaman isnt it?

the top key healers

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin is an all 12 healer

who cares about top keys

[fringe mural]

i mean i just play what i like so

[lusty grotto]

ez

[plush tendon]

dont forget MW

[fringe mural]

what's mw?

[plush tendon]

Mistweaver

[fringe mural]

oh that cursed class

I don't talk about them

monks don't exist to me

[ivory barn]

Mw just tell me to pull till I have to wall....

[fringe mural]

ya they want to jump into your big pull and spin

mad people

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-baby-gif-3751544875622573748

The bladestorm wa that spun your screen

[lusty grotto]

immersive bladestorm

either way they heal when they spin

and they heal for a LOT

but they would use immersive SCK in their case

[ivory barn]

Is mythic chimmy a hit or miss with pugs?

[plush tendon]

100% hit or miss (more likely miss)

I had a really clean run for first two in Voidspire, but Imp and Voracious are much easier

or, at least, Chim has 'wipe group mechanics'

[stone tundra]

If you get the intermission interupts done, it is gonna be a kill

Otherwise

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-what-confused-gif-15074314

[stone tundra]

[plush tendon]

thats usually not the problem in groups ive joined

its the p1 mechanics

the swapping/stay on your side

ends up killing people

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong you dont like nimchipadin healing?

[plush tendon]

Ill have yall know, Im a sick Holy Paladin healer (in TBC)

[dusky canopy]

Keeping that healing icon off my record!!

[lusty grotto]

you gotta do what you gotta do to get groups going!

[dusky canopy]

I did holy paladin in wrath classic

Was actually pretty sick

[lusty grotto]

besides ill have you know im a 95 parsing healer (on myth chim)

for damage

[plush tendon]

cant wait to see if they do Wrath Anniversary

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

I have my Paladin all ready; I was a DK last time, but this time I wanna play meta

[dusky canopy]

I started paladin in the first patch because I expected to play all the way through and get shadowmourne but I ggd before ulduar

[fringe mural]

you da best nim

what did you do, hit him with all you got?

[lusty grotto]

you could say that

[ivory barn]

I need to go get prot raid logs better to go pug as a tank

[plush tendon]

I still have my Paladin on TBC.... but phase 2 is meh so I aint playing

and its hard to raid as a Prot Pal tank pugging

but I would be excited if they buffed up the TBC Heroic Dungeons to be relevent

that shits awesome

[undone beacon]

its 2026 and im farming Genesis Motes in Zereth Mortis

kms

[stone tundra]

[undone beacon]

so close to 1k

and i need a bunch of the dumb protoform mounts

[lusty grotto]

just wait for SL Remix

[undone beacon]

SL remix would be goated for collectors but idk if they'll do it

still relatively fresh compared to like, legion

[plush tendon]

Legion came out 2016

SL came out 2020* (thanks Pash)

in a year or so time before the next expansion... is it really that big of a difference?

[undone beacon]

SL was at the end of 2020

Still feels so much more recent though lol

I could see it as a Last Titan Timerunning or smthn

[tribal wharf]

realisitcally only 5 years or so ago

5 years not that much time

[plush tendon]

we are for sure getting another remix

WoD, BFA, SL

[undone beacon]

wod would be neat but idk how they'd do garrisons. also not a lot of shit to collect from wod cuz there wasnt a lot of shit in wod lol

but timerunning through foundry and highmaul and hellfire could be fun

[plush tendon]

same issue with BFA and SL

no tier sets in BFA

[undone beacon]

SL had so much shit to collect

[plush tendon]

and SL only had one season of tier

but we did have the Cov tmogs

[undone beacon]

So many stupid cov mogs locked behind obscene grinds and conditions

[plush tendon]

for mogs, Id prefer SL

[undone beacon]

For sure

[plush tendon]

maybe well get a curveball

and instead of Wrath Anniversary

its Wrath Remix

[undone beacon]

I'm not against SL remix for the record, I'm just not sure they'll bite on it

Dooming in chat

[plush tendon]

it would unironically lend itself well

since last titan takes place in Northrend

[undone beacon]

Truee

[plush tendon]

Broooo

updated Wrath Mogs would go HARD AF

[undone beacon]

Can we get high res naxx mogs? Even with the wrath colors it would go so hard

[plush tendon]

I would cream for a HD version of this set

[undone beacon]

Meanwhile, hunters

Also thank god I decided to dump all my protoform mats on some shitter alt and not delete them all

[plush tendon]

hunter mogs are always pretty dog

[stone tundra]

well that one was not designed with goblin in mind

and ew, goblin hunter

[undone beacon]

Goblin survival hunter is the closest I can get to my tinker fantasy rn

[stone tundra]

well, there is diaper gnome

[undone beacon]

cring

[stone tundra]

i never bothered to unlock them

[undone beacon]

My timerunning warrior was one for the bit

Pashaclanker

[stone tundra]

but alot of sets that are made before the inception of some races look just weird

[undone beacon]

Two more for the collection

[stone tundra]

did not play SL really, how bad is the timesink for those zereth mortis mounts

i still need 10 for the owl

[undone beacon]

If you didnt play SL, its a bitch

[blazing shuttle]

Well, I guess that's... an upgrade?

[stone tundra]

so it is about if want or not want to get f'ed

[undone beacon]

You have to unlock ZM, unlock the Pocopoc/Cyphers system, max out one of the Cypher trees, then farm the schematics, farm the genesis motes, farm the special reagents, and farm the mob specific lattices

[stone tundra]

that is already to long to read

but i got zm

[undone beacon]

So yeah you'd need to do the quests to unlock Pocopoc and the Cybers system, then farm out Cyphers of the First Ones to unlock Dealic Understanding and Sopranian Understanding which is like, 500 cyphers

Then each mount is 350-500 Genesis motes, which drops at a rate of 0-2 from mobs in the zone. You also need a lattice of that mob type which is a rare drop from mobs of that species, and a special reagent which can come from rares, bosses, treasures, drops, etc

[stone tundra]

why do i have the feeling that hoping for raid and dungeon mounts to drop is more efficient

[undone beacon]

Oh and also you only get like two of the recipes by default and the others have to be unlocked

[stone tundra]

great

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-dead-building-jump-gif-15057385

[undone beacon]

Theres like 24 mounts and 30ish pets

[stone tundra]

well the 24 mounts i like

and some of them look nice

(they will never see the light of day after mounting them once)

[undone beacon]

I like the ZM aethstetic so i vibe with the mounts, but the grind is a pain in the ass and if I hadnt played SL S3/S4 I wouldnt bother probably

[stone tundra]

did not make it to nathria

[undone beacon]

But I have a handful of them and I hoarded the unique mats on a bank alt

[stone tundra]

was already bored

[shrewd cosmos]

This is what i get

[ivory barn]

I have the 285 version

[eternal oxide]

I hit my 3400, Im thinking of trying some dungeons on the dps side of things. Which do y'all perfer Arms or Fury?

[sharp gale]

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

[coarse bay]

I think theyre both pretty good rn, leaning towards arms being better

And of course, arms is cooler

[shrewd cosmos]

Do you need to rearrange stats or prot stats and arms are good enough?

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to rearrange stats for any of the two

but arms is closer to what we gear for

just sim

[shrewd cosmos]

I just think to get one big axe and start the show but i will sim it

[sharp gale]

i gave you the luck for the voidclaws

[lusty grotto]

all the luck!

[jagged pier]

ty ty was fun run

[sharp gale]

perfect last boss

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

did you know there is an enrage

if we would have missed one more time

[jagged pier]

i dont know how u miss the rune

like in genreal

not u, u

[eternal oxide]

Arms Slayer?

[sharp gale]

yeah ik, ppl just don't understand which ones need to be popped

finished the game thx to those 10 crests i needed today

[severe star]

This sim doesnt make sense to me

[lusty grotto]

doesnt make sense to me either, why would you paint over it

[severe star]

I should of asked the quesiton mb but why is the voidclaw and the belt lower than just the belt if they are both upgrades

[lusty grotto]

its an upgrade to what youre wearing

and also youre simming Vault results, and you have a limited choice

a total of 1

makes perfect sense to me

[severe star]

alright thank you

[lusty grotto]

and i see gloves + belt + rings on the very top so...

[vital vale]

first time i ever double upgraded a 17 and did it on my druid alt

[lofty warren]

Dang 1% right now means you gotta time all 19s

And im here depleting 17s

[shrewd cosmos]

I think warrior is very sturdy this season. A little bit of dmg boost will be great but a part of that we are cooking

[unreal hornet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/25LWin5YeAyWHJhALkJDoP
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xaF89rdpG44az4sJxT3ru4

hero voidsong chain sims SOOO well wtf

I was gonna take vault roll on pit neck this week but now considering just taking the hero neck...

[undone beacon]

It is a fuckton of haste on one item, yeah

[unreal hornet]

actually insane

[undone beacon]

Though in my experience it does oversim a bit

[unreal hornet]

hmmm good to know

[undone beacon]

Not because of haste, but because of the damage proc

[unreal hornet]

interesting

[lusty grotto]

its a cantrip so

[unreal hornet]

i dont have the seat gloves yet either

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt use it over myth twisting void

however

[unreal hornet]

hMM

[lusty grotto]

more stam, while minimal, and more spread of stats

obviously would instantly replace with a myth version

[unreal hornet]

@lusty grotto that makes sense

[undone beacon]

The haste is very good but the cantrip is hard to reliably proc on warrior, even with the voidclaw gloves. Its a proc on a proc which is gross. Even on a shadow priest it procs more in sims than it does in reality which is sadgers

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a good point

[unreal hornet]

okay...maybe i do take the roll then actualy

thanks for the help 🙂

[ivory barn]

I only planned on 3400

[undone beacon]

Looks like the Sporefall loot no longer has random stats

[lofty warren]

Raidbots simc updated with sporefall loot?

[fringe mural]

Does it also proc on the nexus ring set?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[undone beacon]

It should as Twilight damage is Holy and Shadow

[fringe mural]

i only had the champ version of alleria neck

how good is it compared to mythic l'ura neck?

is it better?

i know i could sim but maybe someone already did

[undone beacon]

Its got a shit ton of haste so its preferred

[lofty warren]

What is the effective reduced damage % attributable to the dodge chance?

[fervent spindle]

i play fury but im like 286 ilvl in tank spec would i be able to easily tank a 10 as a first time tank with my gear or should i start lower

[lusty grotto]

you can tank 10s at 230 ilvl

so

hopefully that answers your question

[fervent spindle]

okay thank you lol

i just didnt know if id get demolished from not knowing exactly when to defensive etc

[ionic fern]

You can still get demolished tho.

[undone beacon]

Understand the basics of the spec and you'll be fine

[harsh trellis]

you should be able to easily tank a 10 1-10 are basically free keys

[lofty warren]

Imo 1% should be applied per spec so its easier for pwars

[ivory barn]

Tanking a 10 right now is easy as long as you go in with the mindset of "what can I pull and get away with" and "where are the dangerous mobs"

[lusty grotto]

more like: activate soridormi and keep SB up

and dont take back hits

thats it

[primal tide]

I was looking through the FAQ's but as a new tank is there a good place to look where to spend my voidcores?

[lusty grotto]

if you dont have a myth weapon and/or myth shield

do AA or skyreach

pick one, and keep sending them in

after you get weapon and shield, you can move on to whatever Droptimizer suggests

[primal tide]

ok ty!

[opaque oriole]

Why are none of the best tanks streaming their keys? 20s and 21s?

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j7bNHKbg7j822DhD3EZoKg

what trinket, and magisters boots is a choice....

Am I simming this wrong?

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/what-uhm-haha-and-so-on-P1wkYq6EZPWfNMLmEJ

[ivory barn]

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[lament osprey]

My only wish is for bear to be nerfed and prot warrior buffed correctly

[lusty grotto]

because they are busy in the MDI, you wanna watch them, then you need to watch the MDI: https://raider.io/tournaments/mdi started May 9th and is on every weekend from friday through sunday

[ivory barn]

So warrior will be nerfed again

[tribal wharf]

scott miller im 100% positive was part of original doom, possibly even wolfenstien3d and catacombs3d

[fringe mural]

random doom facts

[tribal wharf]

blizzarrd did interview with him recently, as they should

the dude is a fucking legend, actually

not like, sort of

the dude made fucking wolfenstien and doom

and uh, oh ya, duke nukem

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[tribal wharf]

little known characters nobody gives a singular fuck about

that duke guy

not at all gamebreaking

[fringe mural]

Also has the most generic name

scott miller

Might as well be john doe

[tribal wharf]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/riseofthetriad/images/4/4b/Scottsmysticalheadgame_95.png/revision/latest?cb=20140119092004

its his own game, right.

but he has his own power up icon of his face in a video game

that, and they had the balls of steel to name one of the playable main characters in this game I P freely

Scott Miller, founder of Apogee, has over 1,000 hours in World of Warcraft and always plays a warrior in any RPG: 'I like to get right in their face and pound away'

this man is unfathomably based

[coarse bay]

Outside of mdi practice naowh and kira stream. Yoda streams daily, and there’s plenty more

Oh wrong replay

Reply

[coarse bay]

#protection message

There are more than a few teams streaming up to and including 22s as well

Like theyre there

[lusty grotto]

naowh is not participating on this MDI

kira is

furthermore, if that person is looking at the leaderboard

there's gonna be a lot of chinese teams

which may or may not stream, but their streaming services might differ depending on if they play straight from china due to logistics

[fringe mural]

and if they're allowed

China has new laws in place for maximum play time iirc

For minors at least

[desert fern]

guys i need some help

[coarse bay]

Yes.

[desert fern]

i got a myth belt i can catalyst
i got a myth shield versa mastery
and i can craft shield too,
but the issue is im spaming seat for gloves rerolls and it has a belt so i might get it too
and they all sim almost the same
what is the best decision do u think

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muah-cat-kiss-lovely-ytu2GUYbvhz7zShGwS

[coarse bay]

Take the shield

If youre talking vault

[desert fern]

yeah vault

[coarse bay]

Does seat have a shield?

[desert fern]

would shield be the most optim,al then >

ye same one haha

[undone beacon]

Max ilvl shield > everything else

[coarse bay]

U could hold off until youve spend the tokens this week

[desert fern]

oh wait it doesnt have shield

[coarse bay]

But id take shield in the end

[undone beacon]

Just take the shield and dont overthink it. Seat has no shield iirc

[desert fern]

but i have the weapon from it on myth haste crit

[coarse bay]

^

[desert fern]

okye so shield

[undone beacon]

Take shield, keep spending rolls in seat, easy game

[desert fern]

and catalyst the belt if i get it while rerolling for gloves

gotcha

another question

what should i craft

havent crafted anthg

[undone beacon]

Typically cloak/wrists with arcanoweave

[desert fern]

deal

[coarse bay]

[desert fern]

thank u alot guys ❤️

[undone beacon]

[desert fern]

u boys da best

[cerulean tusk]

if you are a wildcard, do neck with the gem lazor beam, just because it looks nifty

[plush tendon]

actually me curious

how much of a dps loss are engi bracers

[cerulean tusk]

A marginal -100 something, last time I sim'd vs my 289

[undone beacon]

17.6%

probably

Thats called feelycrafting

[coarse bay]

I concur

But i feel like it leans closer to 18 than that

Something like 17.7%

[cerulean tusk]

I feel like my data point is ignored

[coarse bay]

289 shoes

Vs my foot

[undone beacon]

We dont do real numbers here

we do feels

[cerulean tusk]

am sorreh

only feelcraft dreamgroovy nonesense allowed

[ivory barn]

I wonder how far behind only M+'ing for a season would be

[cerulean tusk]

define behind?

[plush tendon]

not at all

[ivory barn]

Damage/survival wise, like only lfr raid

[plush tendon]

you prob miss out on a cantrip item or a BiS trinket

also depends on tier and level of content

[ivory barn]

Like this season gaze/crit boi in raid is great

[cerulean tusk]

ilvl would be the same, at this point, so if you ignore early season - you aint behind at all, some lost power from trinkies

[coarse bay]

For most players not at all, for the absolute best players maybe a key level depending on season?

[plush tendon]

like pushing for .1 title? You might want to Mythic Raid for gear or just buy a boost for a specific boss

[cerulean tusk]

maybe 2-3%

[ivory barn]

Like 3400 tops I think

[plush tendon]

then not at all

[ivory barn]

Pushing for a title would require a team that isn't roasting me

[cerulean tusk]

gg

[plush tendon]

it also requires a stupid amount of time

[coarse bay]

Depends what title you push for

You could push for the explorer title

[plush tendon]

and, unless you are setting the resil, you basically have to play till end of season

[desert fern]

one last question i saw some crafting haste crit and some haste master and some haste vers, whatya think would be ideal or do i have to sim that too ;p

[plush tendon]

people were running keys they already timed last season for better times

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

for a little IO

[cerulean tusk]

sim question, or just do whatever you feel like

[coarse bay]

Sim, often haste crit

[cerulean tusk]

I am in camp haste/mast

noone can bend my mind

[cerulean tusk]

ToN go ratata-tata-ta

[plush tendon]

actually a pretty big downgrade

to run engi bracers

[desert fern]

ive been on the team that mastery is better than crit but thats just me, in my head made more sense

[ivory barn]

I mean my stats say go mastery rn lol

[plush tendon]

OMG GUYS

i had a brainblast idea

they should let you slot in a Dwarf/Nelf racial into engi bracers

you have to give up a embellishment if you aint a dwarf or nelf, but then everyone can have access to the OP on-use

[lofty warren]

I was reliably informed that for pwar if youre comparing haste vs a non haste item of similar ilvl the sim result for the non-haste item might show bigger number but you should still use the haste item basically no matter what

[plush tendon]

at least for now

[coarse bay]

[plush tendon]

we arent reaching haste levels yet where we can be super comfy about forgoing the defensive benefits of haste

maybe next season

[lofty warren]

But question is - if I have a 289 no haste item and a 224 ilvl haste item.. is it still correct to use the haste one? Not gonna lie but im gonna throw that haste rule right in the 🗑️ in that scenario

[lusty grotto]

pepega

what does

ilvl/Strength > haste > and so forth mean?

to you

im just curious

[coarse bay]

16%

[undone beacon]

I'm with pepega here I'd throw that 224 haste item in the 🗑️ too!

[lusty grotto]

better yet

throw the 289 in the catalyst

and get... wait for it

HASTE

and CRIT (versa if cloak)

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

what da fweak

[cerulean tusk]

HC track weap and champ shield aint holding me back

1/4 gang rise up!

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-angle-slam-john-cena-table-wwe-gif-16766524

[lofty warren]

Where is he doing 144k overall

[cerulean tusk]

Magi's

[lofty warren]

What key level

[cerulean tusk]

10, just crest farmin and protting for lols

[undone beacon]

i need a hero ring to drop on my warr so i can get hero of the dawn and trade up the billion hero crests i have into myth

[lofty warren]

This is world best damage on mt. But wcl counts dps diff from details so I giess not super apples to apples

[cerulean tusk]

I am worried you even try to compare

The joke it is a shitter key, shitter build, shitter gear

[lusty grotto]

did you forget who youre talking to, cat?

https://klipy.com/gifs/pat-cat-gyB--k01KS3GS5SSW1ZS58JGH4XRKE2Y

there there

[lofty warren]

Wonder what the details to wcl conversion ratio is. I get on easy keys you can pull the universe and have bigger number but still

[fringe mural]

omg pepega

you don't believe what i just got

turbo BIS

😄

[ivory barn]

It's not 1/4 apex or ip item

[fringe mural]

okay sry

just semi-turbo bis then

[ivory barn]

They shoulda made the tier set revolve around apex

" but I need to track ignore pain"

[tribal wharf]

yknow

someone mentioned wheni showed the 90s retro inspired pc cases, i should get an IDE, and i think i agree with that notion

ill explain why soon

[swift orbit]

IF I just wanna smash some 12s for fast crests on my prot warr, do I go Colo or MT for just raw damage overall?

[lusty grotto]

thane, icy veins M+ build

if you prefer colossus play style, go for it, otherwise stick to thane

[fringe mural]

is there even a bad catalyst item besides the gloves?

[swift orbit]

tyty

[fringe mural]

they all have haste right

[lusty grotto]

no

yes

[fringe mural]

what is the fastest way to get hero crests?

ritual sites lvl 5?

[lofty warren]

i think apl in 12.0.5 fixed it wasn't show as being better than mid trinkets like 289 mark of light anymore

[lusty grotto]

there were no changes to the APL for 12.0.5

at least not from me

[fringe mural]

damn, i think i'm going to send to an alt then

[lofty warren]

I used that trink until I replaced with myth gays though

[cerulean tusk]

Aight

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/2-rat-two-0YmBoPL8p6xH43eNRT

[lofty warren]

When droptimizer sporefire enabled?

[fringe mural]

powerful!

[tribal wharf]

it sounds like this, like a damned air raid siren

[fringe mural]

the most powerfullest trinket of all times

[tribal wharf]

so, if it looks old, and sounds old and if you dont have 9 intellect (fall out game im thinking so 9 of 10 normal max) to pass the computer literacy fake pc

you'd never ever try to steal it, i just stikc a broken one in there for the noise scare them away from it

1000 iq really

[cerulean tusk]

aight

I judge, I do

[tribal wharf]

i think im on to something with that idea

[lusty grotto]

is the whole "someone stealing a desktop" the new lumber

i dont think ive ever worried about someone stealing a desktop, a laptop sure

if someone breaks into my house and steals desktops, im gonna be honest, i think i would mostly be more surprised than upset

[tribal wharf]

hear me out, but if i was a thief, and i even remotely knew what an ipad was

and i saw that

BINGO

motherfuckin bingo, i just hit the jackpot

[hardy snow]

im lucky af, we did first kill on cosmos, i've got neck from bonus roll and weapon dropped so its mine

[cerulean tusk]

...

Why

shield 289

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mood-82DaAxknIvBovGGPj5

[hardy snow]

its not a shield

[cerulean tusk]

Is that a neck?

[torn gulch]

that's the crown neck

[cerulean tusk]

Why is it so shieldy

[torn gulch]

[cerulean tusk]

Link your shield tho

https://giphy.com/gifs/confused-futurama-suspicious-ANbD1CCdA3iI8

Jawor currently doing a panic 5 runs of m+ to upgrade his 289 shield

[hardy snow]

XD

[cerulean tusk]

I presume that is a shield

good job

[torn gulch]

it is

[hardy snow]

yea, 1st boss

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pet-otter-petting-C93VmkaYCdRUGie1uG

[lusty grotto]

gzz

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-csi-miami-glasses-sunglasses-horatio-caine-gif-14033607

[fringe mural]

deadly pyrium spike

[lunar flare]

Can you not just link the actual item rather than blizzards 2005 jpg artwork and expect us to guess what it is?

[torn gulch]

[coarse bay]

[torn gulch]

he explains under what item it is

mythic 1st boss shield

[broken marsh]

if i were to fuck around with prot war in pvp where should i go, like 2s? blitz?

[harsh trellis]

You would literally be fucking over your team in blitz

Prot war can't really do anything of use

[coarse bay]

Tanks generally arent for pvp, youll get best info from the pvp channel though

If u had to do one, id assume blitz

[pastel sleet]

progging myth crown.
P3 im getting smacked even with cds by melee on transition.
whats the solve there?

[lament osprey]

Going to need logs

[pastel sleet]

its a melee

[coarse bay]

[lament osprey]

Maybe Nim can translate and help

[pastel sleet]

cotank was taunting late. we figured it out

[lofty warren]

[ivory barn]

they are sellable

[pastel mural]

Hello there! My haste is currently at 1173. I just got this from a Seat reroll. Previously I would have just followed the guide and got Enchant Ring - Silvermoon's Alacrity and Flawless Deadly Peridot. Would that still be the case now? Or should I focus on something that gives more crit?

[warm plinth]

The 1188 haste number is not a cap. You should keep going past it. It's just the minimum recommended amount for swapping off HR to ItF

[pastel mural]

Thanks.

[ivory barn]

287! yay crafting

[undone beacon]

Noice

I'm done gearing until sporefall lol

[ivory barn]

only thing not Myth track is trinkets

🙂

[onyx hearth]

Did 82 APM in raid, I like the fast paced, but this is too much

CPM actually

[glacial ridge]

i need the apm, everything else just feels slow to me haha

[oak ivy]

this

[onyx hearth]

I like it, but boy, it's exhausting sometimes

[undone beacon]

Look at these cool guys

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

whos that hot dwarfette with the mage tower arms weapon? and is that dwarfette a grey parsing colossus player?

[undone beacon]

lmfao

Thats a huge 6/9 dwarfette colossus player right there

[lusty grotto]

i swear on my stupid soulsborne brain i will figure it out

or so help me god ill do thane

besides the padding/sandbagging i mean

[ivory barn]

Game be crispy now

[fringe mural]

Gotta love bonus rolls

It took me 7 to get the void cleaver from terrace

i now have all offensive terrace loot

at least i have none twice

[drowsy comet]

a hell of an UI, holy

[broken marsh]

What addon has dmg numbers like that

[fringe mural]

comic sans addon

lol

this looks like street fighter

[ionic fern]

Those numbers take me way back to the pvp videos where they emphazised the big Crits with zooming in and music.

[fringe mural]

Yeah haha

athenewins

the merciless gladiator

[glacial ridge]

Im assuming its easier to side gear Arms instead of Fury after being a Prot main?

[jagged pier]

Yes but doesnt really matter

[lone wren]

How often I use ignore pain ?

[jagged pier]

Not somthing u think about, but a fair bit as its used to stop from overcapping rage

[maiden nimbus]

i feel like these past few m+ seasons the guides always say haste/crit....All the top warriors are running haste/crit....Yet my sims always come back telling me to gem w/ haste/mastery...This is like the 3rd season in a row raidbots is saying more mastery....I've been following the sims, but it makes me second guess my stats....Currently sitting at 285 ilvl, pushing 17s, so I'm not exactly lacking in gear.

Just curious if there is any reason not to follow the sims and build towards haste/crit anyways...Or even haste/verse for survivability in m+

[fringe mural]

maybe they don't sim

and just take haste crit

Like the guide says

it's usually not the physical hits that kill you, it's unblockable dots and other dmg sources

[fringe venture]

For me mastery plume from beloren sims better than heart of ancient, even tho I have a good amount of crit and mastery.

[fringe mural]

so versa might be a better choice than crit or mastery for defense

[raven light]

raidbots is for damage, for defense haste/versa is usually the right choice

[fringe mural]

and mastery won't help against the evil on hit stacks this season

[eager phoenix]

generally, if you have a lot of haste and crit then vers/mastery tends to sim as a bigger gain than adding even more haste/crit

[jagged pier]

I mean link sim

But sims are char specific if its recommending mastery that just means u can get the most damage out of it at where your char is stat wise

Because u probably dont have much of it

[fringe mural]

but survivability doesn't scale the same as the sim does

[naive ravine]

It does, except haste

[fringe mural]

of course all 4 secondaries have defensive value, but their defensive value isn't the same as their offensive one

when compared to each other

[naive ravine]

It does even out

[fringe mural]

does it?

[naive ravine]

The increase in offensive value also means that the mobs die faster

[jagged pier]

Because u can surivie with top simming stuff, as survivability comes from play and group play not stats

[naive ravine]

So overall it should evenout

[jagged pier]

U cant hit any amount of any stats that will stop u dying to a mis play

U cant hit really high ver anymore etc etc

[fringe mural]

That is what we call a milchmädchenrechnung and you know this

[naive ravine]

No I do not know what that means

[fringe mural]

Of course mobs dying faster helps you survive better

[naive ravine]

Im not ignoring any factors

You are ignorin the fact that more offensive value means mobs dying fater

meaning less time you need to tank

[fringe mural]

but this is a qualitative comparison not a quantitative one

i am not denying the fact that every secondary stat helps by helping mobs die faster

but in a sim they are weighted against each other

and that is not happening in defensive value for the reason jakey stated

Too many factors

what is the main source of dmg

etc

but it's a moot point, those that care will care and those that won't won't

[polar wedge]

hi, I don't understand how tanks are supposed to switch aggro on mythic Vaelgor & Ezzorak, we switched at each orb but idk if it's what we're supposed to do

[ivory barn]

Font magic, Pepsi font

[ivory barn]

Deleted a lot of crap to get there.

[ivory barn]

Reminded me of Swifty vs Bajheera in mop 💪 only reason I used it

[ocean smelt]

In my guild we don't switch immediatly on orbs but after the anchor, once we escape it we switch

[polar wedge]

ok (but it's not linked, the anchor is after the big blow pushing you away)

[ocean smelt]

Indeed, we do it that way because if you already position yourself for your orb but then you have to escape the anchor it's annoying as fuck

[ivory barn]

If curious, the addon is font magic

[faint stone]

Hi,is there addon that tracks ignore pain stacks?

[stone tundra]

Dont need to track that, but arcui can do that for example

[tribal wharf]

its always a fleeting number to track

constantly changes, up and down

best thing you can do is , it can be hit for "2 stacks"

so if it did 150k, you'd have max of 300k

[buoyant wyvern]

Guys, Im getting into tanking after some break from warrior. Why is everyone on lorrgs and youtube in raid using demo shout on cd and almost not using wall? And tankbusters without deffs do almost no dmg to them anyway. It sounds pretty boring.

[maiden quiver]

You use demo shout on cooldown because every build takes the talent that makes it generate 20 rage. And you send it on cooldown because it is base 45s but gets reduced by 1.5s for each enemy hit by thunder clap (max 4.5s per TC cast)

Prot warrior is great in raid due in part to how well they can take the various tank busters.

[buoyant wyvern]

I understand why it is good to use demo on cd. I just did not expect that tankbusters are so light, that we can afford to not hold demo for them

[jagged pier]

Base ui

[coarse bay]

For raid or m+? For raid you should have wall for most important busters

[lone wren]

aaprt from ignore pain waht else can i do for healing? 9k for a 11 looks low

[coarse bay]

Not something to worry about

Doing your rotation correctly will handle everything

[naive ravine]

And in m+ it depends on the key lvl

Not using wall on 18+ is probably not that fun

[naive ravine]

The true part of prot warrior cant be seen by details

[buoyant wyvern]

For raid. There are many ocasions where some tankbuster does not have wall many times but the once has. Is it because of some overlaps of other mechanics? Because otherwise I dont see a reason why I should use wall on (just a fake example) 3rd tankbuster from dragons but dont use it on 8 others.

[naive ravine]

If u were to go into a log and look at the reduced dmg then you would see lots of stuff

[naive ravine]

The mentality of most tank players and most other ppl in raid is tank = alive all good

Not everyone presses everything and does everything to improve performance of the raid

[coarse bay]

I mean if it was needed, we would use it. Surviving in raid isnt usually a problem for tanks, and especially with the current available gear

The important busters will be covered

If you want more of a challenge, raid earlier in the season with less gear

[buoyant wyvern]

Ok, thanks for replies. I am kinda disappointed, because I like planning deffs and it seems that in raid the tanks dmg is more important as we can survive anyway :/

[coarse bay]

Currently, ya

Like i said it matters more earlier

[naive ravine]

The higher u go in World ranking

The harder and more needed it becomes to do such stuff

[coarse bay]

We have nerfs, raid buff, and ilvl boost

[naive ravine]

Tanking in an 1000 world rank guild is boring ass hell depending on boss

Tanking in world rank 200 guilds is a whole diffrent world

Basically in progress not getting gear as tank

(Prefer ppl that get more value out of the item drops)

[ivory barn]

Base blizz cdm tracks it

[frosty mango]

Agree, but for different reasons

Tanking in your rank and file guild is boring bc you have few mechanics

If you’re tanking on the high end you are typically the raid caller and you gotta watch 1000 other things, different skillset altogether

But expected typically

[naive ravine]

I do not think that most of the times the raid lead is a tank

[frosty mango]

No but most of the time on the high end the tank is calling

[naive ravine]

Diffrent ppl prefer diffrent sutff and also workload on bosses can vary from beeing basically afk and taunt to heavy movement with thight timings

[frosty mango]

I will say paladins this tier is comically heinous

It’s such a simple tank mechanic and I love watching randoms in heroic screw it up repeatedly because they’re over analyzing it

[naive ravine]

Reminds me of Rashok

[frosty mango]

But I think they should bring back mechanically challenging tank mechs

Saladharr in mfo was solid imo

[naive ravine]

Back then our tanks both rerolled paladins cuz they were to shit to live the tank buster combos

[ivory barn]

We have had a tank or a ranged dps

[frosty mango]

I tank in classic and honestly tanking in retail doesn’t feel any different, easier really. Imo that is a problem

[naive ravine]

Yeah both of those seem like a good option

Bm hunters are a fav

[naive ravine]

The reason why that is not true, is that alone the rotational aspect of retail makes tanking way harder

[frosty mango]

Disagree, retail rotation is more complex but largely muscle memory, once you know it you know it

I do see how that’s true though, if you’re new to a class

[naive ravine]

So you say, disagree but the rotation is harder?

Ofc learning is a part of becoming better

[frosty mango]

I disagree that it makes tanking in retail way harder, but I can see your point

[naive ravine]

But having to learn smth > having to learn nothing

But tbh I dont know if its only true classic.

[plush tendon]

I would not say tanking in classic is harder, you just have so much less agency then in retail

[ivory barn]

I was doing it till I had UI issues. Now I'm back and crackin

[naive ravine]

Might be the case that the rotation started getting more complex after classic

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it’s harder, my point was that the experience largely hasn’t changed

[plush tendon]

you are basically just a threat bot and hoping that your character sheet is good enough for a healer to keep you up

[frosty mango]

We need a shake up, give me true support characters, zdps buffers and debuffers

Give me something

Anything really, even if it fails miserably we need some innovation

[primal rain]

-> wow 2

[ivory barn]

Lol, Aug was supposed to do next to no damage originally

[plush tendon]

yea, I think the 'support' experiment failed

[frosty mango]

Ya and then the first season they buffed everyone uber and made them do dumb personal dps

[frosty mango]

IMO it didn’t fail, clearly shows there’s people willing to play it, they didn’t go far enough

[naive ravine]

Either they add a new class

[plush tendon]

theres people willing to play anything

[frosty mango]

Drop the dps completely, give me full debuffers and buffers

[naive ravine]

So 1 tank 2 dps 1 sup 1 heal

[plush tendon]

IDK if thats a argument

[stone tundra]

You cant make them zero dps, otherwise a dps death would make him doing actively negative damage

[naive ravine]

Or they dont even bother looking into it

[naive ravine]

Its not rly a good argument to say that the party should be less screwed for doing a missplay

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-gif-20402854

[stone tundra]

But swapping the power to the buffs would make that loss drastically worse

Conpared to a regular dps dying in a key without aug

[naive ravine]

Still, a mistake should be punished

Not rly a real reason to not implement them

Could also argue, buff off healing so when the healer dies you can recover

[coarse bay]

Remember when healing and damage intake were going to be less spiky

[lusty grotto]

well it is

[coarse bay]

Idk it feels pretty similar

[lusty grotto]

i disagree

this season feels like they at the very least achieved that

[naive ravine]

If u were to compare def cds of tanks (if that even makes sense) would SW be considered one of the better cds?

[coarse bay]

Divine shield is pretty good

Considering cdr on it id say sw is pretty cool tho ya

[naive ravine]

For example SW vs bark

[lusty grotto]

tank walls in general are very comparable, i wouldnt say ours is better than the others or worse

bark isnt their wall

its surv instincts

[naive ravine]

Oh

So bark would be our demo?

[lusty grotto]

i guess

[ivory barn]

Only outlier is bleeds on a warrior

[naive ravine]

Makes sense

[lusty grotto]

no

thats not an outlier

at all

[naive ravine]

Its normal, no?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[tribal wharf]

damage over time, shield wall

[naive ravine]

I would enjoy Indom getting buffed

[tribal wharf]

50% dr is fucking huge

[lusty grotto]

i remember when we had 0 self sustain

and we were fine

[naive ravine]

Isnt sw 40%

[lusty grotto]

even being completely meta on an expansion

[tribal wharf]

its still a massive rediculous amount of DR

[naive ravine]

I mean we are fine rn, I just dislike pugs as prot war

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why self sustain needs to be buffed

and i dont agree with it

its weird even having it at this point

[naive ravine]

Replacing it with a diffrent talent also sounds good

Is there a talent that you loved in the past nim that now isnt here atm?

I only joined wow prot war cult at shadowlands

[lusty grotto]

a lot of it has been implemented partially, gag order into javelineer, DF spell reflection change for reflective plating, warbringer which had DRless stuns is pretty much partially implemented now

other than those big 3, i can't think of anything else that i miss

[naive ravine]

What about necrolords warbanner?

I rly liked that one

(In the later seasons of SL)

[lusty grotto]

that one falls into me liking it but not making a lot of sense into the current design perspective, same with vengeance and glad stance

[naive ravine]

Whats the current design perspective for prot?

A bit slower gameplay?

[lusty grotto]

easier playstyle

[naive ravine]

Ahhh yeah

Necrolords would be hell for newer players

[plush tendon]

me beloved

[fringe mural]

Didn't they say in an interview they need to adapt to the aging playerbase?

i think i read it this year somewhere

[plush tendon]

something like that; but they did a full prune of a lot of classes going into Midnight

lots of passives/actives were blended together

[lusty grotto]

sure, but the whole point was "easier playstyle because addon armaggedon"

more than "aging playerbase"

[fringe mural]

i mean it battles both issues

[plush tendon]

even for younger new players, the amount of buttons you get

as you level

can be overwhelming

[fringe mural]

true

it's more than 67

[plush tendon]

Does anyone know if a new player is walked through making new keybinds/get more past the OG 1-9?

[fringe mural]

or 6ix9ine

or 187 daaaawg

[plush tendon]

cause that was a big hurdle for me when I started playing in Wrath/Cata

[fringe mural]

well i grew into it

from bc onwards

[plush tendon]

I would start leveling, get 9 abilties, then get overloaded and start adding new bars and clicking spells

[fringe mural]

but i started wow with 20 i think

[plush tendon]

heck, wouldnt even use like 7-0

[fringe mural]

who does that?

[plush tendon]

a new player

[fringe mural]

i use 1-4

q e

[plush tendon]

when you first bought the game, you were presented with keybinds of 1-0

[fringe mural]

shift versions

And an mmo mouse

[fringe mural]

Yeah true that's shit

[plush tendon]

thinking too much like a veteran

[fringe mural]

i had a deathadder when i started playing

[plush tendon]

now in days I got keybinds all over the place and using letters, shift and alt codes

most people dont start playing a MMO with a MMO mouse

[fringe mural]

and used qwer because of my past dota experiences

[plush tendon]

they prob get their basic office mouse

or a non MMO gaming mouse

or heck, a trackpad

[coarse bay]

Ya i feel like mmo mice arent that widely used

[plush tendon]

I dont use one

[coarse bay]

Or as much as ud expect

[plush tendon]

its too bulky

[undone beacon]

I used to have an mmo mouse but realized i hated using it and the buttons on the side were overkill so now i use a more generic gaming mouse with the two side buttons and that works great

[plush tendon]

I use some relatively cheap Logitech mouse with pretty lights

[fringe mural]

yeah most specs are fine with the mousewheel and two side buttons

[undone beacon]

Well i say more generic gaming mouse but its an ergonomic ball mouse

[coarse bay]

I started with mmo mice so cant fathom being full keyboard, but i kinda wish i did

[plush tendon]

I dont keybind my mousewheel

or the side buttons

[undone beacon]

This thing is goated

[plush tendon]

maybe I should

[tribal wharf]

i've got balls of steel

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-man-of-culture-i-see-you-are-a-man-of-culture-i-see-youre-a-man-of-culture-you-are-a-man-of-culture-a-man-of-culture-gif-19626078

actually, I may do that tonight

I have "H" as my ping keybind

but side button on mouse would be better

[tribal wharf]

https://www.trackballmouse.org/images/logitech/logitech-trackman-marble.jpg

do it with one of those

[coarse bay]

I scrollwheel click for ping

Goated button for it

[plush tendon]

im used to league pings

which is G

unfort I have g bound to stuff

so I went one over

[ivory barn]

I used to use esdf as movement keys

[plush tendon]

I know people who do

it makes sense.... but its sooo fucking weird

[ivory barn]

With an MMO scimitar mouse is fucking insane

[undone beacon]

I can see the appeal for more centralized access to buttons but i could never adjust i think

[plush tendon]

even at work, my hand rests on WASD

[coarse bay]

Ya wasd is so comfortable

[plush tendon]

its been ingrained in me to the point swapping is basically impossible

[ivory barn]

It was a little hard to hit 1-5 that season so I quit

[coarse bay]

And control+shift modifiers

Seems less comfortable to hit

[ivory barn]

It wasn't horrible, it was mostly the 1-5

[undone beacon]

I've never been able to use modifiers lol

it just does not click

[unborn plover]

corsair scimitar mouse is the way to go
i play with qwe or aze for azerty keyboard
for main spells i use my thumb on wxcv and my other thumb on the scimitar mouse bouton

that + pinky on shift modifier its 32 keybind already that you can press whenever you want will straffing wherever you want

[ivory barn]

I have shift, control, or alt bound to quite a bit

Trying to find a half decent photo of my keybinds lol

[unborn plover]

modifier tend to had pressing mistakes and latency to me
link clicking shift + something is always longer thant just pressing something

and sometime you want to press 1 and end up pressing shift + 1 because you left your finger to fat on the shift key

that's why if you can have modifier only for target/focus/mouseover kind of shit it might be better

[ivory barn]

You'd prolly flip out at my keybinds

Ahh here were are ...
"This UI is not current but the keybinds mostly are

This is current haha 🤣

[coarse bay]

I will not judge the tracking of ip, revenge, and execute

Because i dont judge

[ivory barn]

[coarse bay]

Pretty solid though

A bit too much nameplate text etc

Makes it hard to see clearly

[ivory barn]

I've juggled making plates for a while

My last 3 ideas

[coarse bay]

I personally prefer name inside the plate so they dont do that

I like the first and third personally

The wide ones go wild

But its all a preference thing

[ivory barn]

Yeah more leaning back on the first one recently as well

Just had a nameplate lua error mid key last night and that happened to it

[coarse bay]

What addon for plates

[ivory barn]

Platynator

[coarse bay]

Such a good one

Easy to use

[ivory barn]

It's so nice

[coarse bay]

I recently swapped off ellesmere so im using platynator again

Just using jundies with some preference changes to it

[plush tendon]

I dont know anyone who tinkers with their UI more then you GG

I legit do not have the patience for it

[ivory barn]

I wanted to try his UI at one point, broke my game and said nope

[coarse bay]

I really like it and its been getting tons of work, i just play less and dont want to spend time fine tuning my ui anymore so im putting it in somebody else’s hands

[undone beacon]

I spent a whole morning rebuilding my priest UI to integrate CDM stuff and centralize my buttons and while its been nice, i havent been able to be bothered to do the same on other chars lol

[ivory barn]

I spent almost all of an expansion only building weakauras and plates for people in my raid team instead of raiding 💪

[coarse bay]

Like my ellesmereui was pretty much built and done but i wanted something fresh to come back to

[undone beacon]

I ran with minimal WAs before and a relatively uncouth UI so

[coarse bay]

I dont have ss of my old uis but i used to just slap wa’s together myself

Without grouping etc

[plush tendon]

there are things I would like to figure out though

[coarse bay]

All diff sizes, not lined etc

[plush tendon]

I dont like that my buff bar, the icons are all on the same line

[harsh trellis]

LOL how did it break your game

[ivory barn]

When I started deleting a lot of add-ons it made me realize blizzard is trying to make the game run without them

[undone beacon]

What i really need to do is get better unit frames because on Crown with a billion things to target it gets wild

[harsh trellis]

I really like ellesmeres because it has 0 errors.

[coarse bay]

I 10/10 recommend ellesmeres too

[harsh trellis]

I use that and platynator and a couple others and have had zero issues.

[ivory barn]

I installed it, and it tried to install all of his profiles overwriting my current ones

[harsh trellis]

All of his profiles? I didnt install any profiles, maybe thats why I didnt have any issues

I just unchecked the things I didnt want to use from his... Like the name plates or chat

[coarse bay]

I actually think his nameplates are great

[harsh trellis]

I use platynator and chatynator just because I like having a history of the chat... but have had zero issues

[coarse bay]

They handle stacking super well

[harsh trellis]

raider Io is the biggest piece of shit

[ivory barn]

That might have been my issue

[harsh trellis]

raider.io and mrt will cause all sorts of issues... I only enable them when I am raiding or running keys

[plush tendon]

what does ellesmere ui look like when you set it up?

[harsh trellis]

cause those will cause issues

[harsh trellis]

Very basic ...

I would guess it looks like elvui

I was not a fan of trying to setup elvui so I never did it

but it looks clean like elvui

[ivory barn]

Elvui? 🗑️

[coarse bay]

Like final product or base?

[unborn plover]

you need to track IP cooldown, to reset it during two pack of mobs to avoid it expiring

Revenge why the hell would you track it i agree
Execute, you should track it as well when you have a talent i don't recall, it gets priority over revange if you are above 40 rage

[coarse bay]

Final product people have made it look like most other ui’s, theres like aui clones done etc

[harsh trellis]

I dont track revenge or execute

[coarse bay]

You dont need to track ip

[severe star]

You dont need to track anything

[harsh trellis]

ip is just a press at 70 rage regardless

[coarse bay]

And you dont need to track execute if u track the proc in buffs, but execute is fine as well if preferred

But he isnt playing it

[ivory barn]

There is no true need to track it. My brain when it isn't tracked doesn't believe it exists

[plush tendon]

im curious what someones final product looks like

IDK, I think the one thing I need to improve on my UI is tracking my maint def buffs more efficiently

trying to figure out the best way to do that

whether its a big bar above my rage

[unborn plover]

i agree to disagree, my IP bar is a valuable peace of information to me
it give you a good feeling on how hard mobs are hitting
it allow you to some cast a ignore pain to not loose 100 stack of it between two packs
it's colorfull

[plush tendon]

or a second line item for buffs or just better spacing for buffs

I'd also love to have a blinking icon when a buff isnt up... but I dont think thats possible anymore

[coarse bay]

I personally will just always have mine in the same spot in my buff bar, maintenance ones are always the furthest left, major cds will always be furthest right

And everything else in the middle

[coarse bay]

Ip bar generally shouldnt impact any decisions you make in terms of gameplay

[unborn plover]

At the end of the day, best UI is to play screen unplugged. and rely on good vibes and feeling
This is how monk and ninja achieve mastery

[ivory barn]

I got asked at one point why I had 2 of some things on my screen all the time

[unborn plover]

not even "my IP bar is full full, so i will probably eat that tankbuster without cracking a defensive" ?

[coarse bay]

Not even

Ip isnt a defensive tool

Its a byproduct of not overcapping rage

[unborn plover]

doesn't it mitigate damage ?

[ivory barn]

IP is like a pair of crutches

[coarse bay]

Who has the link to the post

[ivory barn]

#protection message

You mean this?

[coarse bay]

Yup

Just found too

@unborn plover read the post in that link above

[ivory barn]

"grabs wall of text"

[coarse bay]

His discord has a section of completed ones u could go see, i dont have a pic of mine

[plush tendon]

maybe this weekend I can tinker with my UI

[coarse bay]

[plush tendon]

since its a 3 day weekend

[coarse bay]

[plush tendon]

[ivory barn]

I think I tinker it daily for about 5-10 minutes before I play

[plush tendon]

I got raid tonight; wouldnt be worth

[ivory barn]

Something I didn't like yesterday? Fix it

[plush tendon]

but I also need a UI that A) Works and B) can be easily applied to other classes/specs

[coarse bay]

I went back to atrocity because it makes trying out new specs easier too

And a clean healer ui

[plush tendon]

I need that standardization

[coarse bay]

Ya ellesmere isnt bad for it but it wont do it automatically

Still need to fill the cdm bars etc

But its like a one time thing per character

[plush tendon]

for sure; I set up the CDM for each toon

but they follow the same logic

[lone wren]

wich one of this 3 i upgrade first?

[coarse bay]

Imo heart of wind

But can sim

[lone wren]

thanks no core no?

[coarse bay]

I personally wouldnt use it

Dont know anything about it

[lusty grotto]

Core is a great defensive trinket

But you can upgrade everything so no reason to ask

[coarse bay]

^

[lone wren]

have few crest but luckly an alt so is 10 crests per upgrade

[lusty grotto]

Doesn't matter, there's no caps

[ionic nimbus]

And the third one is free, so just max two of them and you re fine

[jolly moat]

I guess prot warrior is good for farming +10s?

[coarse bay]

Ya

[plush tendon]

B tier +10 key tank tbh; maybe low A?

[lunar flare]

isnt any tank good for farming 10s?

like whats the metric for "good"

[plush tendon]

Whichever tank that can group mobs fast and easy and can do most of the kicks/other mechanics

For me, Prot Pal is the number 1 tank for weekly 10 keys

and its not even close

[wary gyro]

prot pal in weekly keys is crazy they do so much damage they might as well be a 4th dps

[plush tendon]

AS goes BRRRR

and just makes things sooo easy in those low keys

actually a joy to play when just vibing through some 10s to fill vault

[jolly moat]

I mainly wanna play warrior dps, but also sometimes tank keys