protection

[harsh cypress]

[lofty warren]

Pretty sure should uncheck indom

[fringe mural]

The most effective way would be to craft a heroic shield, upgrade it with voidcore

And save the myth crests for the myth drop that way

[plush tendon]

theres no point in worrying about saving myth crests

especially for a fresh toon

0 chance yall go from 0-900 mythic crests

well, now 0-1000 on Tues

[fringe mural]

do you know if he farms 900 in a day?

Lol

[kindred turret]

For Focused Vigor? And why exactly?

[plush tendon]

if someone farms 900 myth crests in a day....id be concerned

[fringe mural]

no pain no gain

[lusty grotto]

it depends on which dungeons deal more magic damage and which dungeons deal more physical damage

[fringe mural]

probably not even possible

[kindred turret]

@lusty grotto Thanks bud!

[plush tendon]

whats the maximum number of crests you can get per hour

[lusty grotto]

I dont persoanlly like Last Stand

[severe star]

assuming they could get carried in a 10

[lusty grotto]

i never talent it

[severe star]

which is 12 crests

[fringe mural]

16 per 12 key per 20 min, so idk like 50/hour

[lusty grotto]

but i provided the option just in case

[severe star]

I guess maybe a 12

[kindred turret]

Thats kinda obvious - so you say "go to warcraftlogs and look at incoming damage per dungeon and adjust accordingly"?

[plush tendon]

also gotta include a full 9/9 mythic clear

carry

if we are going for absolute max myth crests

[fringe mural]

boost for 5m gotcha

[lusty grotto]

yeah sure, look at overall damage taken

[fringe mural]

20 hours of 12 keys then without myth raiding

[plush tendon]

yea, I legit think its impossible to get 900 myth crests in a 24 hour window

[fringe mural]

A little bit of eating and no sleep

[lone wren]

Plan is to farm it in a months?

[fringe mural]

fits

[plush tendon]

you could prob do 3 keys a hour at best?

[fringe mural]

yes

[lusty grotto]

you would end up hating the game

[fringe mural]

in a day

[lusty grotto]

speed running to burn out

[jagged pier]

I dunno i did keys all day on satursay on shammy

Thats was fun

Wont be doing it again in a while tho

[lone wren]

Skyreach 12 u cna do that dungeon in 10 mins so 5 times adding prep time so around 80 crests per hour

[plush tendon]

can you?

[fringe mural]

not with fresh gear you don't

[plush tendon]

gotta add in the fact this would be a fresh toon

[jagged pier]

Thats really group dependrnt

[plush tendon]

so lets assume a 4 man carry

[jagged pier]

Your looking at 19 mins for nost pugs

[lone wren]

Was farming that dungeon ont he dhammy for trinket mins too did 20 in like 4 hours

But I guess it was wensday

And voidcores were there and my resto shaman was max gear so insta invites

Yeah waiting for invites etc I think u are looking at 2 dungeons hour

[fringe mural]

yo i'm a fresh prot tank and i'm gonna get you through that dungeon in 10 mins lets go guys

People be like yeaaaaah sure

drops dead at first lust pull

'Welcome to jackass'

[dusky canopy]

You just need like 3 gamers in the key and you can speed run it the only one you can’t really boost is the tank

[plush tendon]

im just trying to figure out the Max number of myth crests a new toon can earn in a 24 hour window

[crisp ocean]

i got a boost they do keys in like 20 minutes

but some do more

and some less, also depends on dungeon

[crisp ocean]

not ideal

if you are a solo player

different if u in a group

cuz you probably gonna spam same key, and then you need to get invited there

[desert fern]

hey guys, is there a guide for prot warrior u guys recommend on youtube

[crisp ocean]

topicx

[lone wren]

Hey that is the job of brews in 15+ skyreach

[crisp ocean]

Seat first pull is hard asf, cuz of the champions

[fringe mural]

Idk man, if you follow the steps it's not really hard

do it the nim way by going around and gather, or do it the other way, charge into first group and pull the rest via ht

they are too close to charge if you charge the middle of the front pack and dont move

[desert fern]

last guide was TWW sadly

[lofty warren]

https://murlok.io/warrior/protection/m+

Murlok.io showing the majority of ppl using indom

[fringe mural]

i tried it like 10 times in m0 and it worked every time

and then used it in real keys

[wraith bobcat]

He still does vids to get the idea behind how to prot war

[crisp ocean]

i’ll try it out when I do it again

[wraith bobcat]

And the individual commentary on dungeons helps too

[fringe mural]

I was afraid af when i first did it

but surprisingly they just ran towards me

[crisp ocean]

i need to play my healer more so I can learn how other tanks pull stuff

i think my pulls have been too big lol

[lusty grotto]

the problem with indom is that in the cases where you do need it, youre kiting and not generating rage so its effectively doing nothing

[plush tendon]

wonder why their AI artwork looks like a FF14 character

[lusty grotto]

you have to pray for a whirling blade proc and bloodsurge

[crisp ocean]

do we get the talents from icy veins ?

[fringe mural]

i think it's important you don't move too far to the left or right or the other champ will charge you when pulling from the middle

yes, mwahi is the guide man

[crisp ocean]

adept is rly good for us tho, on my other tanks I skip that part

i mean

the dude that you spell reflect with the 2 champions

[fringe mural]

oh yeah

[crisp ocean]

ye

[fringe mural]

easy as cake as prot

[crisp ocean]

knock back and then charged with 2 champions lol

[fringe mural]

Sr turns the entire pull into tank'n'spank

[crisp ocean]

yup

[fringe mural]

i forgot it once but charged just in time lol

We even have a failsafe should we use sr wrong

idk if drac jump works, i think it does

If you press spacebar on a dracthyr while getting knocked back it cancels the knockback

[crisp ocean]

that’s rly good

[fringe mural]

might be helpful on prot pala

[crisp ocean]

but best race for any tank rn is dwarf

[crisp ocean]

just skip the pack

[fringe mural]

yeah sure you can

but there are always knockbacks

and for classes that can't charge like pala

it helps

also wing buffet can be really nice

Or shit, depending on how you use it

😄

[crisp ocean]

yeah true

yeah it would be good in MC

on the boss

[fringe mural]

knockback cancel on last boss

[crisp ocean]

most of the new dungeons have a knockback lol

[fringe mural]

yeah more than bleeds

Way more

as warrior you usually just charge back

But sometimes you don't want to get back to the boss, you just don't want to fly to your death

[crisp ocean]

true

[fringe mural]

for dps it's probably more useful

[crisp ocean]

yup

[chrome linden]

I’m ilvl 278 but only have 650k hp. Does that seem right?

[fringe mural]

stamina is not a stat we aim for

i don't even know my hp

[chrome linden]

Yes but I want to be a beef boy

[fringe mural]

then get secondary stats and str

and armor

[chrome linden]

You don’t seem to like the beef

[plush tendon]

if you want to healthmax

[chrome linden]

Beefy boys get more ladies

[plush tendon]

play Guardian

and go full mastery

[harsh cypress]

Play bear for big hp

[waxen fiber]

full mastery bear if you want beef

[harsh cypress]

[lone wren]

Tauren more easy to find where the tank is ont he screen dwarf is tiny

[fringe mural]

i get enough from my lady, more than i'd like sometimes

[fringe mural]

i like the beef alright, i just like to eat it more than being it

beef is very tasty

[waxen fiber]

i miss deep wounds

[lusty grotto]

stam is dictated by ilvl, so 🤷‍♂️, 284 is about 754k hp

if it helps in any way, not like it matters

some talents do provide stam increases but thats about it outside of ilvl/gearing

certainly not something we focus on

[crisp ocean]

dwarf racial is the best

[chrome linden]

Thank you all for helping me try to be beefy

[lusty grotto]

stam wont make you beefy

damage reduction will

[chrome linden]

Yeah but if people look at my hp in silver moon

[lusty grotto]

nobody does

[chrome linden]

The lady blood elves will whisper to themselves

Ooh, I bet he’s packing you know what they say about big hp pools

[lusty grotto]

or "hes compensating for something"

more than likely

[lone wren]

For pushing high keys yes.
For under 15 dps and helper seeing were the tank even is I think k is more important

[lusty grotto]

but they wont, cause nobody cares

[harsh cypress]

I care

I believe in you bud

[chrome linden]

Thank you

[ivory barn]

You'd hate me, noggenfogger potion make me tiny

[lone wren]

You get no heals sir if I can not see where u are

[lofty warren]

Bricked a +17 AA after bird boss 2 I used throw knife at pack of 2 baby dragons to get them into full and that rng created ravager that the big dragon walked into and got aggrod

[ivory barn]

You still see the blue square tho

[ivory barn]

#tauntisadpsbutton

[fluid widget]

What is throw knife

[lofty warren]

The thing that doesnt go on cd and doesnt do any damage but is a ranged

[fluid widget]

Heroic throw?

[lofty warren]

Yes that

[fringe mural]

It goes on cd

and does do dmg

[fringe mural]

That's taunt

taunt is off cd

and ht procs ravager quite often tbh

[lusty grotto]

taunt doesnt proc ravager

[fluid widget]

I thought most AA routes skip the first Ravager pack to avoid the risk of the double pull

[fringe mural]

oh no

Sry i was talking about ht

[lofty warren]

Indom baseline gives you 10% more hp so even if its only useful when ur down bad and kiting the extra hp pool still gives some value? Again its all about trade offs and whether its worth. Usually in keys if the healer isnt a complete dingus survive isn't the problem, its lack of dps im doing

[lusty grotto]

i dont agree

[sweet egret]

is the sim wrong to suggest dropping TaN?

[lusty grotto]

but 🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

is it an AOE sim?

wait didnt you ask this like 15 days ago

[fringe mural]

A glitch in the matrix

They changed something

[lofty warren]

Dont agree that 10% hp baseline can be useful?

[lusty grotto]

i personally dont

but if you feel it does, then go for it

[ivory barn]

Only way to make that reviable is to buff the % hp given per rage spent

Make it back to the legendary 4%

[sweet egret]

I said my sims suggested to drop TaN and you said show sim, I showed and u said it needs to be investigated. if I'm not misremembering

[ivory barn]

Sorry that leggo was 1%/10 rage

[sweet egret]

so, this was mostly me wanting to know if you did the investigating 🥰

(so yes, we were talking about it 2-3 weeks ago)

[lusty grotto]

i forgot all about it

[lofty warren]

If blizz master said "hey pwar do you want an extra 10% hp for free?" I would think the answer would be yea

[lusty grotto]

its not for free

it costs 1 talent point

[lofty warren]

Yes, so its about what the tradeoff is between indom and whatever the other talent point

[lusty grotto]

10% hp wont do jack shit, DR is way more important in high keys

[ivory barn]

Just don't drop the apex

[lusty grotto]

indom can help if you're not kiting to offset periodic damage by healing it, but again in cases like NPX where you have heal absorbs you're kiting, so if you have no rage because youre kiting and if youre unlucky with bloodsurge/whirling-blade, then its effectively doing nothing

[sweet egret]

what is your suggested setup for simming m+/aoe?

3 min patchwerk 5 targets? more targets?

[lusty grotto]

1.5 min 5 target patchwerk

but TaN gets more value the higher the sim duration

[sweet egret]

I have been simming longer fights

[ivory barn]

I wanna try the deep wound 3 target execute cleave

[sweet egret]

I am currently doing a sim for several of the setups too

[lusty grotto]

sorry, the higher the target count

TaN is not target capped

thats the important thing about it

everything else we do, that will be affected by stat changes is soft capped

this is a 10t sim

[sweet egret]

ok so that might be it

I feel like few pulls are 5 targets or lower

[crisp ocean]

is a hero gaze better than myth trinkets ?

[lofty warren]

Heroix gaze is better than lots of myth ones. It depends which

[lusty grotto]

thats a sim question

[sweet egret]

this was me 10t/90 sec

[lone wren]

We use riadbots for tank? Nothing like qe live to check how well we will survive damage?

[lusty grotto]

you have a lot of talent changes, i just did one

minimize variables

[lusty grotto]

all tanks do

a gain in dps on stats means you gain the defensive portion

there are no defensive sims

the only thing you do not sim are purely defensive trinkets

[jagged pier]

Ill be hoenstly having bb is just not worth if thats the dps increase

From dropping somthing else for it

[lusty grotto]

ive been swapping bb for bs

like you did early on

[fringe mural]

I dropped bb for bsv

and kept TaN and EA

[sweet egret]

so you think bs and tan is the play? with fv and ea? and dropping what when I want bsv?

[jagged pier]

I just dont think over a key its worth it

Bs could be 1 or 2 extra avatars

[lone wren]

Any defensive trienkt we want from m+?

[jagged pier]

Over a key

[lusty grotto]

youre misreading my sims

[fringe mural]

solar core igniter

[lusty grotto]

let me rename them

[jagged pier]

Like sims are all good but its a single instance compared to a while dungeon

[lone wren]

Skyreach

[fringe mural]

Yes

[lone wren]

Thanks

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree

[sweet egret]

no, I'm asking you and jakey

[fringe mural]

but has to be prot loot spec

[jagged pier]

U drop ea or fv for bsv when u need it but id consider that the play yer

Tbh

[lusty grotto]

i personally dont think the 3 swaps are that important, they are within the 1% dps change - talking specifically about EA, FV and TaN

[jagged pier]

U can drop bs for bsv if u wany

[sweet egret]

I mostly just play bsv in dungeons where I'd want a 3rd shield wall

[lusty grotto]

TaN's value though can be more than just an uncapped boost, since there's threat mods involved

[fringe mural]

I use it as a tool to tell me i failed

[sweet egret]

I have moved on from that

if I fail, it's death

[fringe mural]

when i see the debuff it tells me i failed the pull before without looking at logs and bricking the key

[sweet egret]

I feel like it mostly procs in situations where I wouldn't have died anyway

so it doesn't tell me anything

but I started using it as I described, when I want another defensive

[lusty grotto]

good

[fringe mural]

yeah on purpose it's great

[lusty grotto]

thats how it should be used

thats how i personally use it

[fringe mural]

i try to use it that way too

[sweet egret]

mostly I don't have it talented anymore

[lusty grotto]

anyway here you go, its renamed

you are correct that TaN in sims is less dps than the other two

unless there's some fucking TaN shit on the sims, which was what i wanted to figure out

but

[fringe mural]

But TaN scales better right?

[lusty grotto]

the disparity between the swaps is so minor

[fringe mural]

with targets

[sweet egret]

I get it, we go with feelycraft for this one 😄

[lusty grotto]

yeah, i just personally think TaN is worth it based on just that

threat mod, uncapped damage being the big two

[fringe mural]

high!

not just regular threat

it's high threat

[lusty grotto]

but honestly FV being a less dps loss than EA might change some of my BSV builds

it wont make a massive difference

[sweet egret]

I dont notice any difference in threat with or without it, for me TB has always been enough

[fringe mural]

what was fv again?

[lusty grotto]

right

by the time mobs are hitting you, you should have more than enough threat

youre not wrong

[sweet egret]

thanks for the clarifications

[lusty grotto]

i will say this

[plush tendon]

Tough as Nails does some serious damage in my keys

like 6%-7%

its pretty neat

[dusky canopy]

Warrior owns

[lusty grotto]

if you have to kite... having an extra threat mod just before you step away might be worth it

[plush tendon]

MasteryMax Prot War

[fringe mural]

Wisdom of the day

[plush tendon]

for max Tough As Nails value

[jagged pier]

Im probably the biggest TaN harter here, and thats because its too good for what it is and brings to much value

[plush tendon]

yea, it used to be turbo ass

the BDK version of TaN has a ICD on it

[jagged pier]

We saw that, u get an extra 2kdps from it with max mastery

[plush tendon]

which makes it meh

[fringe mural]

I'm team TaN too

[jagged pier]

So its 100% not worth it

[lusty grotto]

oh actually thats a good point Augusto

@sweet egret remember mastery will help TaN get higher values due to increased crit block

lower mastery means TaN won't average as high damage

[fringe mural]

because it changes the sim value of mastery?

[lusty grotto]

i mean sure it does but thats not what im talking about

[fringe mural]

if we would set TaN as mandatory talent that is

[lusty grotto]

if youre high mastery, TaN will do more damage

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto hey bro do you remember how to check spellque without changing it

[fringe mural]

fury discussion?

[jagged pier]

Weve seen it in practice, theres someone out there that is full mastery like no haste no crit and they do no damage all to get 2k extra dps from tan over a key

It aint worth it that much

[fringe mural]

i want to look it up too i just need to work still -.-

[fringe mural]

yeah that's not a lot

[plush tendon]

well you also need haste to make the mastery max work

cause youll need high SB uptime

[jagged pier]

No u play hr

[plush tendon]

no ITF LAME

[fringe mural]

lol

[jagged pier]

As i said they do no damage to gain no damage

[lusty grotto]

/run print(GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow"))

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-5158399706079840870

[undone beacon]

Brew i cant believe ur making lari play pwarr

thats based and warriorpilled, epicsauce even

[undone beacon]

h4xx0r

[sweet egret]

so it's puzzle box talent

[lusty grotto]

it absolutely gains more from its usage sure

but so does everything else since mastery = AP

[ornate bear]

Does warrior have any cool or unique abilities? Like paladins avenger shield bouncing and silencing

[plush tendon]

Nothing as flashy as Divine Toll/Shield

[ornate bear]

Warriors mobility is so much fun but everything else just kinda seems meh to me, which bums me out lol

[undone beacon]

Shield Charge is pretty cool. Thunder Blast go brrrr

every shield slam is god's most satisfying sfx

big meaty thud

[plush tendon]

War is a bit more subdued than some other classes, but it has great util options, Avatar makes you bigger

and just charging into enemies is cool AF

best way to start a fight

[undone beacon]

Leap is also very cool

Just fuckin yeet across the room

[plush tendon]

but its hard to beat Captain America shield

[undone beacon]

bonus points if you heroic throw mid leap for the aura points

So close

[ornate bear]

What makes you stick with warrior? Doesn’t seem super interactive. I feel like I’m just staring at my ignore pain and shield thing to make sure they’re up all the time.

I’m super new and probably playing it wrong

[undone beacon]

Shouldnt be staring at or even really tracking ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

thats an extremely subjective question

[undone beacon]

Pwarr is high apm which makes it very satisfying if you like slamming buttons

Highest APM in the game rn iirc

And a lot of us like the vibe of hitting people with a shield and taking little damage in the process

[ornate bear]

Really? I like a good flow. I main monk since mop but taken years off. It’s a smooth four button rotation

[undone beacon]

I mean pwarr has a good flow as well

Its just at an accelerated pace

Since we have spenders off the gcd

But like Nim said, enjoyment is subjective

[dusky canopy]

Lolol it just so happens that we’re on Lura during memorial weekend which is a big family event every year for my family

[ornate bear]

Memorial a big weekend for most families. Rough day to raid lol

[undone beacon]

im farming horrific visions for the stupid trash/mail mounts

i need every mount i can get at this point

[tribal wharf]

brother

you HAVE every mount

i have 350

[undone beacon]

Not the mail muncher or nesting swarmite

[tribal wharf]

and i feel like i have like a fucking million

[ornate bear]

What is the rotation for warr then? I get different feedback and guides complicate it for a lil ol noob like me. For instance brew you just keg>bok>bof>tp. Ez pz

[lusty grotto]

as thane: TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Execute

its not a rotation, its a priority

[undone beacon]

Scratch that I have the swarmite now

[dusky canopy]

Yeah we hit the sticks camping, riding quads, mudding, fishing, and all that I look forward to it every year it’s a blast

[undone beacon]

TB > SS> TC > Revenge/Execute, maintain SB, hit IP when your rage is at or above 70

[lusty grotto]

do not press these in this order

again

its not a rotation

its a priority

TB up? press it

[undone beacon]

^

[lusty grotto]

TB down? go next

[undone beacon]

Its TB > SS > TC > Revenge, not TB -> SS -> TC -> Revenge

[dusky canopy]

I should post a screenshot on my mailmuncher

Except I’m at work

[lusty grotto]

keg>bok>bof>tp THIS is a rotation

[dusky canopy]

keg>bok>bof>tp THIS is a rotation

[tribal wharf]

i had mail muncher in bfa lol

[ornate bear]

So should I run thane? Archon has highest keys being pushed as colossus

[undone beacon]

keg>bok>bof>tp THIS is a rotation

[lusty grotto]

you should be yes

thane is higher dps

and has easier rage management and pulling/gathering

colossus can be more complex

[ornate bear]

When do I press ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

read: #protection message

[dusky canopy]

Your moms complex didn’t stop me

[lusty grotto]

[ornate bear]

Ty I’ll check it out

[undone beacon]

Murlok and Archon are aggregation sites and not good for making decisions about learning a class. Also Archon shows almost every top key is Thane

96% in fact of the top 100

[autumn roost]

yeah im macroing IP into shield slam 👍

[ornate bear]

You guys do be passionate about prot warr. I’ll grind gear out on the fella.

[undone beacon]

I dont know where the notion of Colossus being the high key push spec keeps coming from when there arent any sources backing it up

[undone beacon]

proud of you

[undone beacon]

Thats why we're here lol

[ornate bear]

I’m not a fotm guy. Love my monk but want to play something else toward the end of week

[ornate bear]

Sounds fun man, where do you camp at? A park or mountains?

[tribal wharf]

were a bunch of angry old men

mostly speaking

[undone beacon]

rude im young and spry and full of vigor

[autumn roost]

ty, check my log when I kill lura with macro'd IP

[dusky canopy]

The UP

[tribal wharf]

building computers is bullshit

[dusky canopy]

This guys going to mald when he gets 1 tapped because he has no rage and can’t mitigate

You watch

I’ll clip it

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

😂

[undone beacon]

rank 1 parse inc

[lusty grotto]

im dead

[autumn roost]

i wont be

tune in tmrw

[undone beacon]

put avatar in there too

[lusty grotto]

stroke got me

[dusky canopy]

The BDK must be doing work

[ornate bear]

What’s UP?

[undone beacon]

Uberpenis

gottem

[fluid widget]

Not much hbu

[dusky canopy]

Upper Michigan (UP)

[autumn roost]

im tanking lura tmrw btw

[ornate bear]

Reported

[lusty grotto]

youll do fine

[autumn roost]

prot warrior

is kinda fun to play

[undone beacon]

the power of nebulous voidcores is unmatched

[fluid widget]

Yes yes it is

[fluid widget]

Thank god

[undone beacon]

Lari has been turned to the dark side

[ornate bear]

Best race for warrior? Too look cool, not dwarf to remove bleed

[undone beacon]

pwarr enjoyer 🤣

point and laugh

[undone beacon]

drac fr fr

[dusky canopy]

Huh its almost like I’ve been preaching warrior in discord for the past 8 months

[dusky canopy]

Warrior fucking owns bro

Like why would anyone play any other class

So weird to me

[autumn roost]

its actually surprisingly fun

[fluid widget]

NE and dwarf are stupid

[ornate bear]

Is this pvp set?

[autumn roost]

last time I played warrior was Naxx40

so

[fluid widget]

They should make a good horde race

[undone beacon]

Elite PVP set from MFO, yeah

[dusky canopy]

Dudes about to be absolutely immortal on mythic end boss pre hof nerf

He’s going to be hooked

[ornate bear]

Dang you gotta play dps for that right?

[lusty grotto]

i hope your warrior wasnt named Valcos

[autumn roost]

Crushgroove

[severe star]

put shield wall in there for extra comfort

[lusty grotto]

good

[undone beacon]

No, but you also cant get it anymore

[tribal wharf]

(no not the prices thats a different story)

[lusty grotto]

cause that motherfucker screwed us on saph

[undone beacon]

yeah fuck Valcos

[lusty grotto]

20 years ago

[ornate bear]

You played tank?

[tribal wharf]

pc is such a pain in the ass to build

[undone beacon]

I did solo RBGs as prot to get my 1800, yeah

BG blitz or whatever

[dusky canopy]

Fuck valcos! Screwed my boy Nim

[undone beacon]

@valcos Get your bitch ass in here

[dusky canopy]

[autumn roost]

I mean

Im enjoying warrior so much

Im gonna go do 15s for the mount

so

[fluid widget]

What’s at 15s?

[lusty grotto]

i believe in you

[autumn roost]

3400 io or w/e

[undone beacon]

Sorry brew you're benched for Lari the pwarr main now

[autumn roost]

ye

brew perma benched

on the 1 week per tier he shows up

[undone beacon]

I wonder how genesis mote farming is these days

Thats like 10 mounts right there i never bothered to scoop up

[dusky canopy]

I miss 2 days over the past 8 months and that’s the thought process

[dusky canopy]

You can do 16s in your sleep as Prot war you’ll be solid

[crisp ocean]

i’m just bad then

https://tenor.com/view/franklin-saint-snowfall-kolt-angry-mad-gif-16990162099621677302

i think I need to time my defensives better

[undone beacon]

Maybe you're better off in Abyss Anglers

Fun lil minigame

[dusky canopy]

Yep Prot war is all about mitigating damage, not recovering after the fact

[undone beacon]

3 hours start to finish and im done with it other than the "get 1 MILLION points lol"

[autumn roost]

have you tried macroing them into your shield slam

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ban-button-1--k01KRY35BJV4P3G6N3MZT0CBR6R

[crisp ocean]

i meant shield wall and demo shout

[desert fern]

are we going haste vers or haste mastery as ive seen for gems ?

[lusty grotto]

haste + whatever sims best

which is often crit

[desert fern]

alright

[plush tendon]

could also depend on if you play the War DPS specs

but yea, its a haste+sim angle

[lusty grotto]

Just make sure you do not sacrifice ilvl or strength for secondary stats

Ilvl/str are king

[fringe mural]

This

i was a little self conscious about my race choice at first

but pash made me feel dragon stronk

[cerulean tusk]

Another scalie was born

[fringe mural]

love fucking with my dps with wing buffet during their cooldowns

perfect to tease the bros

[plush tendon]

Tauren, Human or Orc

Dwarf is also siq AF, but since you are a non-believer, these options work

[undone beacon]

Slamming a wing buffet to knock the first pull out of the bubble in wrs is awesome

[plush tendon]

Dracthyr should only allowed to be Evokers

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F8P6VRXAn2xCmGjB?fight=1&type=summary&source=4
Interesting sense using indom

And no TaN

[ornate bear]

Mine is currently a drac

I’m an alliance player 🙂

[lofty warren]

Checked like 10 logs from top pwars and all are indom users

[lusty grotto]

go for it then

[ivory barn]

🧐

Are they also a 1/4 enjoyer?

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

but who knows, the chinese like to try different things

and thats totally fine, if not encouraged

[ivory barn]

Yah, I wasn't gonna get mad, was just curious

[jagged pier]

Nah after sense got rank 1 for a few days they all stsrted 4/4

Theres probably still some 1/4 geese around tho

[plush tendon]

it did get buffed last week

[jagged pier]

Yer but they were starting to switch befoee that

Not just cn enjoyers

[plush tendon]

just reinforces that they should be swapping more now

[jagged pier]

Yes

[ivory barn]

Makes sense, I'm gonna start pugging because I want highest io in my guild

[lofty warren]

No they all use 4/4 but some were using last stand and some where skipping focused vigor

[mighty valley]

they all use findom too

[ivory barn]

This is what I did

[crisp ocean]

how long does it take my raider.io to put my main in my score?

[lusty grotto]

updates are at midnight if you dont have the app

[plush tendon]

that looks decent, but I wonder if Focused Vigor might be better then TaN

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZjgftRDKP6vd4zan?fight=1&type=summary&source=2 here's an example where guy skipped focused vigor

[crisp ocean]

okay ty

[ivory barn]

I figured TaN was a non negotiable take

[mighty valley]

idk, pure math question, it's just damage

focused vigor has a teeny defensive component but you'd just take whichever results in more damage

[ivory barn]

At what point do you make the pull "I'll make it the healer problem for the DPS" and just focus to live as a tank

[fringe mural]

is 3% str such a teeny defensive component?

[plush tendon]

depends on the type of damage

[mighty valley]

it's all relative but considering this is an audience that has thought of 5% flat DR as teeny, sure lol

[plush tendon]

like, the extra strength and crit might be better for ST

[fringe mural]

true

isn't this also 1% more parry?

[ivory barn]

Groups I've been running with say "pull till you have to wall, then pull 1 more pack", and I'm over here like

[fringe mural]

so like 1% additive dr

Which is huge

because if you parry you take zero dmg

[ivory barn]

Just go full crit 💪

[fringe mural]

yeah and die from dots

[mighty valley]

i might be wrong but i don't think raw crit chance gives you more parry? i thought that came from crit rating. but happy to be wrong

[fringe mural]

though the dots won't hurt you if you parried everything

like fire talons or heal debuff in npx

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on the effect, but in 90% of cases parrying denies the DoT

[mighty valley]

i presume you came to that 90% figure through rigorous science

[cerulean tusk]

10% comes from those "why I still die" moments of DRW

[fringe mural]

is it true warrior tanks get stronger in later seasons because of stat scaling?

[mighty valley]

no

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, we kinda come out maxed from the get go

we are the early season tank

[ivory barn]

Damn it I logged out as fury again

[cerulean tusk]

week 1-3

[mighty valley]

"spec X is a late expac scaler" is kind of an outdated meme in all cases

[fringe mural]

okay

[plush tendon]

the idea that some tanks scale better later in expansion is kind of a outdated way of thinking

[fringe mural]

well latest i actively played was legion

[mighty valley]

i'm not really sure it was ever true, our theorycrafting ability was just worse back in the day

[plush tendon]

but it is true that 'out of the box' early expansion post stat squish Prot War is quite durable compared to the other tanks

[fringe mural]

i really enjoyed becoming unhittable in bc

[plush tendon]

like Prot Pal which can struggle early without haste to keep SoTR up

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-gif-12136515515962044163

[mighty valley]

now we know that dps warriors in vanilla both started off the best and became even more the best with better gear

[plush tendon]

IDK, seems like the TBC lads figured out that bear 'scales'

but I have no clue

[fringe mural]

We were able to get to 100% mitigation at some point in bc

[fringe mural]

lol yeah

[plush tendon]

though it might be true of Prot Pal this expansion? I know with enough mastery then can get to 100% spell block

[ivory barn]

The 100% mastery build was funny

[plush tendon]

i think its something like 2k mastery? which in a later season might be doable and still maintain good haste

[fringe mural]

i think in cata you were able to get to either block, dodge or parry without sb up

and sb was just increasing your crit block chance

but you would always block with or without sb

[sharp gale]

Specs scale with tuning lottery

[lofty warren]

Why did blizz put in most recent tuning that they want bear to do more dpa than all other tanks?

[serene wave]

Because dudu is blizz pet class

[undone beacon]

i think they did it to spite you pepega

[mighty valley]

baby brain take

[undone beacon]

the pet class take is baby brain, not the spite take

spite is always giga

[mighty valley]

oh yeah correct, that's what i was aiming at

no pash take has ever been baby brain

except when you were a baby. you probably had some baby brain takes then

[ivory barn]

Pwar,Rsham,wwmonk, bm hunter, rogue/pally. Thoughts on this for a push comp?

[undone beacon]

[mighty valley]

if the players are good... it's probably gonna be able to push pretty high

if the players are bad though, idk. probably gonna run into some issues

[ivory barn]

This is the highest IO I've been, and it's made me wanna start pushing lol

[undone beacon]

I've heard mixed things about the veracity of WW monk, and also BM is BM

[ivory barn]

Well, physical comp for shout/monk buff/shammy thing

[undone beacon]

Like BM isnt awful in keys but it also doesnt really bring anything to a push comp

[ivory barn]

Aug/uhdk/demo lock?

[mighty valley]

Are you making a comp with friends or trying to build from pug randos

[ivory barn]

Honestly idk, guild has there own comp and when I asked they were kinda like "go find yer own" vibe

[crisp ocean]

big BL?

[coarse bay]

Bloodlust?

Ele, rsham, and aug are the best lust options

[mighty valley]

building a push comp is kinda academic unless you have a stable of players who're good at everything, in reality you kinda just have everyone play what they're good at or pick the best looking pug players

[plush tendon]

Phys comp right now works with a DPS War

and a monk tank

[coarse bay]

Ya phys comp has the most flexibility rn

Many ways to cook it

[plush tendon]

DPS War is actually stonks right now

[coarse bay]

Ya

[plush tendon]

not full blown meta, but its like meta adjacent

[ivory barn]

Arms prolly, I get yeeted from keys trying to play fury rn

[coarse bay]

Both should be fine

People are just dumb

[plush tendon]

Arms is the preferred of the two currently

but yea, your average pug aint the brightest

even at higher key levels

[crisp ocean]

aug is best for warr

[lofty warren]

Pwar in bad spot and because dps war is good that pushes pwar even further down

[coarse bay]

With what a pwar?

Youd probably rsham tbh

Idk lots of ways to do it

[lofty warren]

Feel like only true die hards are left doing pwar

[crisp ocean]

nah for the stacks

also rsham is good

dmg buff

[plush tendon]

for serious key pushers, 100%

I mained Prot War for raid which it excels in

[coarse bay]

Serious key pushers are either rerolled to fotm or playing with an established team

[plush tendon]

but there are much better options for keys

or you just role swap if you want to keep playing War

but again, context matters

for like 18s/19s

[coarse bay]

Ya theres not a small amount of teams with healer and tank roles swapping rn

[plush tendon]

comp aint a huge deal

[coarse bay]

Since mw and bear are both easier

[plush tendon]

also helps/doesnt help that rerolling has legit never been easier

like, you can boost a new bear today and get 8 pieces of myth loot

+2 another two tomorrow

[coarse bay]

Ya the gearing of alts is wild

[lament osprey]

When they giving prot warrior self healing?

[jagged gust]

#BringBackLastStand

[coarse bay]

Doesnt need it

[lament osprey]

Cost of repair shield is so expensive only the rich play it

[undone beacon]

Hopefully never

[coarse bay]

Tanks are already similar enough

[plush tendon]

literally got posted in my guild just now

5 hours played, 272 I level

[undone beacon]

yeah its turbo easy

[jagged gust]

not even 280?

Lazy

[coarse bay]

Ya i leveled my druid and did 8x spire 10s on saturday

[lament osprey]

Are prot pally shields being expensive repair as well?

Or just us prot warriors

[coarse bay]

Who knows

[plush tendon]

I think just prot war

[coarse bay]

I repair before every dungeon

So dont notice either way

[plush tendon]

cause we block more often

[ivory barn]

I spent 5k on repairs the other day

[jagged gust]

Just gives Daddy Blizzard another 30 bucks for that sweet sweet gold

[lofty warren]

Went into +17 ws with 95% durability and ended it with less than 20%. As brew i only lose like 30%

[jagged gust]

Pepega knowing how to start a key is the wildest part of that sentence

[tribal wharf]

im still mad they removed /pull 10

why

[lament osprey]

Cause you can just do / pull

[coarse bay]

I thought it was still in the game

Or is it some other command like countdown

[undone beacon]

Its /countdown

but every QoL addon seems to add /pull back in

[coarse bay]

Surely bw changes it for you

[ivory barn]

And /break 5 throws lua errors until you either reload the game entirely or do /break 0

[lusty grotto]

idk /pull 10 still works for me, but i use bigwigs

[tribal wharf]

thats stupid also

[undone beacon]

i think bigwigs readds /pull as well yeah

but tbh i dont use bigwigs or dbm anymore

maybe im cooked but

[lusty grotto]

i dont think ive ever used /coundown

[undone beacon]

BetterTimelines has worked like a charm for me

[hazy crest]

I use the window in the base ui, does that make me bad

[tribal wharf]

you know what the fuck its like, its like they release a new mario game, and then they royally fuck it up by like on this one level, they ......... its like,, you find a fire flower and then you cant pick it up

or you cant jump quite right because they wanted new jumping, you know, for jump man

thats the very core and draw of mario game, is that it just works, and it works extremely well

and my point is, i play some game, and there is a bunch of bullshit in it like that, that i dont want, and then i want to turn the game off

[lusty grotto]

nah

youre good

[hazy crest]

oh phew

[tribal wharf]

imagine every time you go to start your car you have to try turn the key 4 times

eventually its going to drive you crazy

[lofty warren]

I have a qol addon where I can click to start ready check, click another button to put marker/world marker, and another button to start cd its handy

[still sky]

acquity

[novel cargo]

Do i swap any of these 2 trinkets for mythic puzzle box (the trinkets in photo are also mythic track)

[lusty grotto]

depends on sims

[novel cargo]

Its sims better with guidon and puzzlebox

but thats damage right?

[lusty grotto]

then you dont replace

all of those are stat trinkets

any gain in dps from them is defensive value gained

[novel cargo]

So I should swap puzzle for heart because it sims better

[lusty grotto]

entirely up to you, if you can handle box casts

[novel cargo]

Nr1 prot warrior

[coarse bay]

What does nr1 mean

[mortal vale]

Anyone know the chance to proc a free revenge when we dodge or parry?

[coarse bay]

Isnt guidon a cast as well though? I personally wouldnt do 2 casted trinkets

[novel cargo]

yea

akward asf

[coarse bay]

Id do 1 on use or the other personally

[novel cargo]

bet

thx guys

[ornate bear]

if i'm spamming TB > SS> TC , will i be in a position that i have rage to spend on ip?

[mighty valley]

yes

[undone beacon]

absolutely

[coarse bay]

None of those spend rage

[undone beacon]

If you're playing the spec correctly, you'll hit IP a lot naturally

As we have a lot of rage generation

[lofty warren]

We have rage gen. We dont have dps or spell block

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=5301/revenge-trigger

3ppm (hastened) if you dont know how to decypher it

[lofty warren]

Even if I get a free revenge I often dont have a free gcd where it is the best thing to press

[mortal vale]

If I increase my dodge and parry does it increase the proc rate?

[lusty grotto]

sure

but you dont really care about free revenges

much less as thane

you dont press it over SS or TC

[mortal vale]

Then how can it be 3 procs per minute

[lusty grotto]

and as colossus, youre already slamming down revenges so whatever

[lusty grotto]

its 3ppm on a dodge/parry

specifically a parry

we dont dodge, unless youre a night elf, and the chance is way too low

[lofty warren]

3 ppm is just what it can proc. Not how many times it'll proc and you should come it

[mortal vale]

so if my parry is 20% I will proc it 3 times a minute and if my parry is 40% i will still proc it only 3 times per minute?

[lusty grotto]

more parries means more chances

its not that complicated

why are you asking about it

again

we dont care about revenge procs

they are nice to have as it saves rage when you need to use revenge, but thats it

[lofty warren]

If you have 1 million% parry then how many times it'll proc per min.. 3 right?

[mortal vale]

I care about every little possible rage

[lusty grotto]

ok well

if you wanna do probability math, be my guest 🙂

[fringe mural]

NO

[lusty grotto]

the tools have been given

[fringe mural]

it's bad enough i have to take oral exams for 5 fucking students in probability math

on thursday

please don't bring that here

😄

please wait a week

[mortal vale]

If its 3PPM or 3RPPM, then it procs an average of 3 per minute regardless of my parry chance.

[mighty valley]

you are correct that increasing your parry a lot will not make that much difference to your revenge proc rate, that's what normalized ppm systems are about

[fringe mural]

cries

but i might bring a wow theorycrafting question into the next exam

if i can somehow do it sneaky enough they won't know it's from WoW

[lusty grotto]

this is the entire spell data

have fun!

[mortal vale]

Thanks, looks like i was right

3 procs per minute modified by haste

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what i linked

to you

good job being right, after reading it

[mortal vale]

That means that regardless of my parry chance, it will proc on average of 3 times a minute (not including talents or haste).

assuming i parried 3-5 times in that minute.

The first link didnt have PPM or anything stated.

[lusty grotto]

ah ha!

are you sure

[lofty warren]

This is what the ai told me. Basically its not gonna proc all that much.. and even further we dont even really care since there are often higher prio things to press anyway

[lusty grotto]

really really sure?

not to mention

i literally told you

[mortal vale]

then you said "More parries = more procs" which is wrong and so is the post by pepega.

[lusty grotto]

its wrong if its a hard cap, and yes it looks like it is

[mortal vale]

Good day warriors, this is why i parse #1 in the world and you all settle for your "raidbot" parses

[lusty grotto]

but pepega is not wrong

[lusty grotto]

have fun getting sandbagged i guess

[lofty warren]

If youre only taking 3 hits per min and blocking all of them that doesnt mean each hit you take will make you proc

[lusty grotto]

👋

[undone beacon]

new copypasta just dropped?

[lusty grotto]

Good day warriors, this is why i parse #1 in the world and you all settle for your "raidbot" parses

[lusty grotto]

youre correct

dw

[mortal vale]

here is the correct formula

[undone beacon]

I didn't realize we were in the presence of 咔滋脆鸡堡 themselves

[mighty valley]

if you're parsing #1 world why are you slumming with us losers

[mortal vale]

I just picked up PRot warrior this week

[lusty grotto]

Good day warriors, this is why i parse #1 in the world and you all settle for your "raidbot" parses

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

👋

[undone beacon]

Just weird to pick up a class and them immediately come into the discord talking about parsing #1 in the world or smthn

Like we can have a discussion about proc rates all day, revenge procs dont really matter

But it is what it is

[lofty warren]

It would be nice if the proc made it free from rage cost and free from gcd

[ornate bear]

i wish i was a generational talent and could pick up a class and parse 1

ig im just a chud

[mighty valley]

huge buff to 17 year olds with perfect reaction times

don't we do enough off-gcd button presses

[lofty warren]

True actually it would have to be something free that also auto casts or the apm req would be too much

[mortal vale]

The first mistake you made was trying to convince me that we don't care about free revenge procs as MT. The free procs are a god send and very important. Secondly, you don't understand how dodge works and it's effect on parry. Lastly, you should realize that there is a set point that more Haste will get you more free revenge procs compared to increasing parry.

[lusty grotto]

its not a mistake

you are the one making a mistake here

if youre electing to use a gcd to spend rage

[mortal vale]

Really so then tell me how does Dodge and parry work?

[lusty grotto]

when and if youre playing thane

are you playing colossus?

[mighty valley]

why are we sephiroth posting about revenge procs

[undone beacon]

Picks up new class
Tells people who have played that class for years that they're wrong
???

[lusty grotto]

yes or no question, are you playing colossus?

[drifting rampart]

Its the class discord special

[jagged pier]

i mean its important and not improtant depends on what else is up

[lusty grotto]

i dont need a big fat wall of text

[mortal vale]

I bet you noobs don't know that about 1-2 years ago Blizzard combined dodge and parry. They are essentially the same stat and add together.

[lusty grotto]

yes or no question, are you playing colossus?

[mortal vale]

the character sheet shows 2 but they proc the same effects and arr additive

[lusty grotto]

are you

[drifting rampart]

He does not

[lusty grotto]

playing

colossus?

[mortal vale]

no colossus

[drifting rampart]

at least in none of his green parses

[lusty grotto]

then none of the shit youre trying to figure out matters

[kindred turret]

Do we stick with a crafted shield with emb, or do we take a myth shield?

[undone beacon]

Myth shield

Put embel on something else

[kindred turret]

"Any" shield?

[undone beacon]

Any shield

[kindred turret]

Ok

[jagged pier]

have fun Nim im going

[kindred turret]

Thx

[undone beacon]

When we needed Jakey the most, he vanished (into )

[mighty valley]

this is definitely gonna change how i prioritize dodge rating across my gear thanks 👍

[mortal vale]

green parse at item level 240 is #1 in the world for item level on that boss

[lusty grotto]

if you think spending rage (or not spending in the case of procs) on a spender that deals less damage than a generator as thane which buffs Thunder clap primarily, and Execute secondly, where you could use a simple IP cast to speed up on Avatar cdr and/or proc it, you seem to have your priority entirely wrong

[mortal vale]

and i didnt even know i was #1 on this character lol

add it too the books.... first week playing prot warrior

[jagged pier]

Who cares abput ilvl parse

[undone beacon]

[jagged pier]

Means literally nothing

[mortal vale]

when im tanking Heroic at item level 240 that is the only measurement

[lusty grotto]

which we all did?

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what youre flexing here

[mortal vale]

because he said i green parsed

[undone beacon]

He's the best 240 warrior in the world

[severe star]

amazing

[undone beacon]

Read em and weep boys

[mortal vale]

well after a few days im 272

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[undone beacon]

idk if you're so stuck on the idea that you're right and we're wrong, go get some real parses and prove it

🤷‍♂️

It would be hard to argue with actual results instead of just dick measuring in discord

[severe star]

you did

[jagged pier]

I lvl parse dpnt count i m like rank 1 ele shaman for like 250

The moment i got more gear my ilvl parses dropped cause ypur playing with ppl better than u

[mortal vale]

why would you compare me to someone thats 45 item leves higher? makes no sense

[jagged pier]

Espeically as parses get reset on patches

[severe star]

you also did better than 32 other people at that item level

[jagged pier]

Comparing yourself to literally no one who have only done it from the patch is some small

Yes u wont parse at 240

But that doesnt matter your shouldnt be going for parses at 240

Thats dumb

[mortal vale]

#1 on 3/4 bosses and #2 on the last boss

[severe star]

again

[jagged pier]

Ppl who care abput this spec arent playing at 240 in this patch

[mortal vale]

That just means i know how to play.

[severe star]

over such a small sample size

[jagged pier]

So u are likely against ppl who arent playing correctly

[mighty valley]

as soon as you optimize your dodge rating your parses are gonna go through the roof, don't even worry about it

[lofty warren]

At such a low ilvl whether your secondary stats are good play an outsized role since ppl with 240 are rolling with whatwver they can get

[severe star]

at lightblinded vangaurd was 18 parces

[jagged pier]

Your 200 dps ahead of second place of 240 ilvl ppl

[lusty grotto]

lets compare cpms (left is #1 ilvl 240 warrior, right is #1 heroic parse (of any ilvl)

hmm

[severe star]

and you are comparing your dps to theirs

[undone beacon]

Good day warriors, this is why i parse #1 in the world and you all settle for your "raidbot" parses. I came here for Prot info...nice to see it’s the same old slop as all of the internet...ie, ignorance thinking it is educated

[lusty grotto]

15 TC cpm vs 22

[mortal vale]

yes because i have less haste

[lusty grotto]

19 ss cpm vs 23

9.5 revenge cpm vs 6.8 revenges (this is the #1)

guess whos casting way too many revenges

"i have less haste"

but still casting 9.5 cpm worth of revenges

because apparently parry and dodge are important for something you should barely cast

[mighty valley]

the #1 player doesn't know how to optimize dodge rating for more revenge procs

[mortal vale]

I think my haste was like 22% compared to the other guy with 35-40%

so of course less

its simple math

[jagged pier]

Haste dont do that much

[mighty valley]

look it doesn't matter, just keep dropping the top parses as your ilvl increases and we will all bow down

[lusty grotto]

lol but you still cast 9.5 cpm worth of revenges lmao

[mortal vale]

yes, because i need to use it as a filler

[lusty grotto]

youre backpedalling now

[mortal vale]

if I had a SB or TC i would use it

[lofty warren]

If you ever press revenge when ss or aoe stomp or shield charge are available ur doing it wrong

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[mortal vale]

Well that was my first day and I didn't even use Shield charge because i didnt have 4 piece

[undone beacon]

[mortal vale]

my options were limited

[lusty grotto]

lmao

this just keeps getting better and better

"i didnt use shield charge because i didnt have 4 piece"

[ivory barn]

At least it's still top 50

[mortal vale]

yeah and i'll admit i didn't study thet talents at that point

[undone beacon]

You're arguing with the #1 pwarr in the 240 bracket Nim, watch yourself

[severe star]

then what were you trying to prove exactly

[lofty warren]

Didnt know it was illegal to press sc all of tww

[mortal vale]

I didn't understand the talents and I don't usually just copy builds. Again, this is my first week on PRot warrior.

[maiden quiver]

He's in the top 1% of all Rattatas

[mighty valley]

wait were you the best prot warrior in the world or had you not read any of your abilities yet, i'm getting mixed messages

[ivory barn]

[severe star]

I have a question about myth of the dawn does it do anything or is it just there for show

[lusty grotto]

he was busy studying up on dodges and parries

[jagged pier]

Just saying my ilvl parses for ele are insane 239 -254 im god

[undone beacon]

Holy fuck

this guy ele's

im posting this in shaman discord asap

[mortal vale]

yes, doing great for your item level

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

get out there sport and bring us some real parses

[jagged pier]

No not really ppl just suck at 239 or dont care, / i had good kill timings most of the time cause carried by raider alts

The moment i got more ilvl they drop because i dont care about shammy its fun to play and ppl with more gear care more

[undone beacon]

is shammy fun to play tho

you're like a discount mage

[jagged pier]

I did a whole day of it on saturday for crest famr i didnt want to kill myself at the end

[undone beacon]

Thats a good sign

[jagged pier]

I still need like 200 crests

[severe star]

2 questions does myth of the dawn only do something for alts and if I use the void upgrade on a hero piece will it make the myth crest upgrade to that item level free

[lofty warren]

Aoe lightning Aoe lightning Aoe lightning throw meatball

[lusty grotto]

it does but only the slots that are maxed have upgrades past myth

alts get discount on them

for example, maxed bracers -> discount on alts

on just bracers

[undone beacon]

I'm not entirely sure thats true Nim, i got the discount up to 4/6 myth on my priest because my warr had 4/6 myth gloves

[jagged pier]

Max alts discount on main

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry i meant up to the ilvl

[undone beacon]

Maybe its just blizz being blizz because my hero of the dawn also doesnt work

[lusty grotto]

my pally has 2 myth trinkets, i get discounts on warrior (who only has one myth trinket)

[severe star]

also if I void core a hero piece to 285 and then if I get a myth piece of it will the myth crests be free up to 285

[lusty grotto]

yes

[tribal wharf]

Will it boot? That is the question.

[severe star]

nice

[undone beacon]

All i know is that next week i should be done with crests on my priest if i did the math correctly

[tribal wharf]

i need a low profile cpu cooler i think for the htpc

[severe star]

thank you Mr.Nimchip

[lusty grotto]

it goes both ways

[undone beacon]

Guys on an unrelated note, whats the best way to cool a small room in a garage thats disconnected from the central AC

[lusty grotto]

both chars have myth achieve now

[undone beacon]

Last year I used a window AC but it was loud and annoying so i dont want to do that again

[lofty warren]

Doesn't you main need to get 285 avg ilvl achieve to give alts discount?

[tribal wharf]

TLDR air flow

[undone beacon]

Its 83 Fahrenheit and muggy as sin i just need this room to not roast me alive

[cosmic fox]

How the F does Champion Spear work? Out of 4 casts, I leaped to the spear only once

[undone beacon]

It works by not taking it

[daring marlin]

It was 88 and sunny

so I went for a nice walk to tan

[undone beacon]

sorry did i say 83 i meant 93 degrees

40% humidity

i hate it here

[cosmic fox]

I was testing it if it could be usefull somehow but it doesn't even work properly