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#protection
lusty grotto
harsh trellis
thank you
Blizz needs to fix our tree then
when we search for Demo shout that should also highlight when we type that in
or maybe my shit is just borked
lusty grotto
it def works
harsh trellis
ok thanks Nim
lusty grotto
"Demoralizing Shout" in the search
ivory barn
when we search for Demo shout that should also highlight when we type that in
typing "demo" into the search bar got me that?
limber drum
Hello
coarse bay
typing "demo" into the search bar got me that?
yes
oh wait
you werent the one saying u didnt see it
lusty grotto
ivory barn
you werent the one saying u didnt see it
vestal drift
ok so best way for gearing up. Run Normal and Heroic Raids to get the BIS gear by Name.. Not Item level. the upgrade and start running mythic raids or start running Heroic dungeons to get gear by name again and then upgrade and move into M+ ?
undone beacon
Best way to gear up a fresh character is start with a round of WQs for 220s, then some delves/prey for champ (and maybe hero if you have delve prog), then straight into 10s to spend your 8 bonus rolls on myth gear
And dont forget to craft a thing or two in the mix
when gearing up, ilvl is the most important. Prioritize pieces with haste ideally, but aim to get as much hero/myth as fast as possible
vestal drift
Best way to gear up a fresh character is start with a round of WQs for 220s, the...
This is what I'm rocking right now. So, with this I should be able to get into +10's?
crisp ocean
This is what I'm rocking right now. So, with this I should be able to get into +...
tank or heal ye
nvm u wont
get ur own key to 10
undone beacon
This is what I'm rocking right now. So, with this I should be able to get into +...
Probably go slam some delves on T11 Bountiful, don't think you'll get invites at 238 at this point in the season but
Like trip said you can push your own key up and prob snag a bit of gear in the process. Just dont spend any voidcores till you're at 10s
vestal drift
nice... thank you both
coarse bay
And do nulleus for the 35 gilded and a t11 bountiful for cracked keystone quest before you do m+
crisp ocean
bruhh dungeons dont drop shi
warm plinth
Hello, this is your reminder to get your asses to the gym. 37.5lb/17kg down.
stiff inlet
congrats!
lusty grotto
Hello, this is your reminder to get your asses to the gym. 37.5lb/17kg down.
good shit my dude
warm plinth
We must all be woyer
undone beacon
Hello, this is your reminder to get your asses to the gym. 37.5lb/17kg down.
Literally you now
Proud of you
frosty mango
the Mage AND the Warlock were 270....
Bro where do you find these people
That is like next level bad
undone beacon
the Mage AND the Warlock were 270....
You took a dk named "uwugrippy" idk what you expected
fringe mural
That is like next level bad
Maybe they use the new -1/4 apex build
Chatgpt helped them talent
ngl i bet a lot of teens ask their ai for class guidance
compact silo
wiping on WS first pull because dps buttpulled first mobs instead of me and somehow it's my fault
"you have 3 charges and 1 jump"
yeah, i use those to group the pull, not to jump from entrance to room
crisp ocean
why didn’t you grab aggro in 1 second ?
crisp ocean
not fast enough clearly
compact silo
it was
stiff inlet
i usually make a joke about small dwarf legs until i get to the first mobs
compact silo
they didnt die from melee
crisp ocean
i’m being sarcastic
crisp ocean
they didnt die from melee
oh
compact silo
how is dps buttpulling MY fault
crisp ocean
if you still wipe, it’s either lack of healing or your dps ain’t interrupting
crisp ocean
how is dps buttpulling MY fault
ignore and go next
compact silo
i mean
crisp ocean
or just lack of dps
compact silo
i was the last to die
stiff inlet
there did not seem to be any blasting
compact silo
dps like that are just coasting
crisp ocean
they should have said, why are you doing more dmg than me
ivory barn
You took a dk named "uwugrippy" idk what you expected
that dk is a guildy lol
stiff inlet
wait thats HPS? lol
compact silo
remember one MC where 2 dps were dying on every pull cuz they dont wait for me to group then spam "TANK AGGRO"
ivory barn
Bro where do you find these people
welcome to my lfg...
compact silo
meanwhile the top dps was waiting for me and not dying and not complaining
stiff inlet
meanwhile the top dps was waiting for me and not dying and not complaining
one was a ret wasnt it... its always rets
crisp ocean
when I play my prot pally I can’t seem to keep aggro idk why
compact silo
TaNk AgGgRrOoO!
compact silo
hit or miss
crisp ocean
worst part is when it’s your key, and then you have to bring it up again
compact silo
wish i had a group but it's hard when you're not druid or brewmaster
crisp ocean
wish i had a group but it's hard when you're not druid or brewmaster
reroll lol
compact silo
no way
fuck the meta
i already had to reroll from tauren to dwarf cuz of the shitty dungeon design, i'm not rerolling class too
blizzard can suck my nut
crisp ocean
i wish they made the racial ability available no matter the race
like all of them are in a selection and you can choose, no matter your appearance
i don’t wanna be a dwarf
compact silo
warriors had that ability in tww- bitter immunity
compact silo
but it dropped pretty much anything else
crisp ocean
Bitter didnt drop bleed
they changed the adept stacks, cuz all of us changed to dwarf lol
compact silo
and dungeons in tww werent as shit
crisp ocean
and dungeons in tww werent as shit
midnight is rly fun tho
undone beacon
they changed the adept stacks, cuz all of us changed to dwarf lol
What did they make it a bleed now?
It was never dwarfable lol
compact silo
it's alright, but you cant say dungeons are designed well if they force you to play only one race
compact silo
they maybe changed the icon cuz it looks different
only icon change same effect
crisp ocean
it's alright, but you cant say dungeons are designed well if they force you to p...
you don’t need to be a dwarf
undone beacon
they maybe changed the icon cuz it looks different
They changed the icon to make it more clear it isnt a bleed 
compact silo
some things you cant really kite
are you gonna spend whole 1st pull of AA running around the room like a chicken and splitting mobs so dps cant aoe properly?
compact silo
or are you going to TANK(as the name suggests) in place
crisp ocean
are you gonna spend whole 1st pull of AA running around the room like a chicken ...
i always do that
compact silo
to be fair, the strat is to prio nuke one lasher down asap so
yeah almost no one does that 🙂
i sometimes tell them beforehand
doesnt matter
crisp ocean
one time I told someone to help me interrupt a caster, he said not my job
crisp ocean
whole dungeon they kick
when you say don’t kick, it makes them interrupt lol
compact silo
funny how they kick when they dont have to and they DONT when they DO have to
crisp ocean
funny how they kick when they dont have to and they DONT when they DO have to
yes everytime
coarse bay
Tbf you can split that pull
compact silo
lol there's an addon "class codex" with suggested stats/ talents etc. and it's crazy that it suggests 1 apex talent
coarse bay
That addon is so bad anyways
I hate that it’s gaining traction
It literally shows the things that arent useful
Stat prio and aggregate talents
ivory barn
mother fucker... THAT close
coarse bay
ivory barn
had to try and get it as fury 
ivory barn
on the trinkets? 🙂
sharp gale
And you have the achievement
ivory barn
dont plan on Mythic tbh
stiff inlet
sick
sharp gale
I still need to find a 1h myth wep smh
sharp gale
Alleria sword dropped but I didn’t ask for it and I was too lazy to crawl to get it
Im still tanking with hero weapon
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
sharp gale
I will open my first vault as prot 
lilac estuary
I will open my first vault as prot <:erga:1225875048590737460>
congrats! and good luck!
calm bridge
is there still a reason not to take all 4 Apex points as prot?
glacial ridge
no
lusty grotto
there was never a reason to
much less after the DR swap
and much much less after tuesday
so its in the very negative reason to do so
calm bridge
cool I have a WAY outdated build then - to wowhead I go
lusty grotto
cool I have a WAY outdated build then - to wowhead I go
to icy veins
we dont support wowhead
calm bridge
to icy veins I go then
lusty grotto
lusty lantern
wait... why not?
undone beacon
We don’t have a proper guide writer for wowhead
Our guy retired and a non-pwarr is filling in
ivory barn
I'm having fun tanking keys lmao, just 4 manned a caverns and got yelled at to take the tank puddle in a MT to the wall
like if you melee range the boss the group dies LOL
naive panther
so stuff in algathars shredding prot war, is that normal? is it stuff we just can't block?
broken marsh
yes, first pull is massive bleed/birds are bleed/ and battleaxes are pure arcane. You can spell reflect for magic dr when tanking battleaxes but you have to kite, same with bleed
naive panther
ok so first pull no big deal. It was the stuff on the two bridges, and vexamus platform. How much on platform should i pull at once cause in like a blast key 12-15 I have just pulled the whole platform, but can't higher, like evoker boop results in it all slapping me at once and im dead almost instantly when they go off at once
if its arcane would i be better off with fight through the flames?
broken marsh
When the battleaxes get interupted, they sync up there attacks, even 1 of them slaps in high keys, if you pull the whole platform that is like 4 big arcane hits hitting you at once. What I do is pull everything shockwave-disrupting shout for aoe interupt then piercing howl for kite.
you could maybe plant + shieldwall but you have to kite if out of defensives. Also I never go fight in the flames except on lura but maybe some1 else can offer guidance on that.
Biggest thing was spell reflect was basically like another shield wall b/c of the massive magic dr. SO you could plant longer
naive panther
yeah key was already bricked before i died, so we went back and tried whole platform again cause I thought i did something wrong, but it still shredded with everything up, I had to stun and step back, cause the evoker boop would all almost 1 shot after was crazy, but then the next bridge was slapping hard too, so I was just curious if its worth pulling all that and kiting, just didn't seem worth the risk, would think the two far packs together then the one with 3 axes by itself after
broken marsh
Im 3.5k so im getting up there in key levels, the routes I have been following are from Tactycs. His routes are usually pretty solid and he just made a vid for routes for like 1% and 0.1% if that is your goals.
He also plays a ton of prot war so he has that mindset in a few of his guides
naive panther
Sounds like good info, maybe I should look into it. I tanked 17 MC in time on war weeks ago, and haven't bothered much since on war until trying Col and such and doing a few higher testing htings today. Druid already have more 17s and 18 on easy
broken marsh
yea this is my first season doing m+ and tanking and tactycs+awoo helped me skyrocket to where I am, and then just picking up random pieces of advice as I went
crisp ocean
if I have a bis hero track gear, but I get a replacement in myth do I use the myth?
timid nacelle
Best dungeons for us to bonus roll?
severe star
Best dungeons for us to bonus roll?
Use droptimizer to see what you need
cerulean tusk
The people woken up to the power of Col I see
This makes me glad 
sharp rover
if I have a bis hero track gear, but I get a replacement in myth do I use the my...
Sim yourself
cerulean tusk
jagged pier
ionic fern
Everyone likes a good kitty.
dense mist
According to guide, if i have all myth gear in all slots, best crafts is - bracers and back with arcanoweave lining embellishment on it?
Means this 2 is BIS?
reef wadi
Is it me or does it feel like there is a tank shortage going on like badly.
Yet people do not take a prot war and let the timer just time out ?
Or is it just me that people only want druid and monks?
ionic fern
Is it me or does it feel like there is a tank shortage going on like badly.
Yet ...
It's been like since forever.
People follow the "meta" blindly eventhough it's not required.
jagged pier
Theres always a 'tank' shortage
reef wadi
It's been like since forever.
People follow the "meta" blindly eventhough it's n...
I just came back to wow and feels like no1 is taking me haha even with a 12++ for 10's
ionic fern
I just came back to wow and feels like no1 is taking me haha even with a 12++ fo...
Yah, cause you definitely need a meta tank for a 10.
It's honestly just sheep mentality.
jagged pier
I actually think blizz by mistake have shortened the tank shortage
Theres tones of druid around using the pull helper thing
None are good but they are there and trying at least
Like my shammy is dying to aggro nearly every run atm 
ionic fern
Don't need to know how to play the class if you just get autoinvited cause you're a "meta spec". You'll eventually get a group to carry you.
😂
arctic finch
Is it me or does it feel like there is a tank shortage going on like badly.
Yet ...
ofc they dont take prot warrs , cus we are garbage
pallid shell
It's honestly just sheep mentality.
Damn… what should we do with all of these sheeps? BBQ em?
jagged pier
Don't need to know how to play the class if you just get autoinvited cause you'r...
It doesnt always work i was a group with a druid that was doing 18k dps st
I stole aggro without bl
And died
He then blamed me for low dps at the end while i was still top dps and 2 dead or runnign away cause of aggro
Well running around so mobs go back into his thrash but that still wasnt getting aggro back
winged zenith
ofc they dont take prot warrs , cus we are garbage
yes prot is dead see you next season
fringe mural
It's been like since forever.
People follow the "meta" blindly eventhough it's n...
and we won't solve that problem without illegal action, so we might as well not sweat it
circumvent the issue by finding a good guild
meta doesn't really matter as long as you manage to properly tank the weekly +10s or +12s
and that's something all classes can do
of course that situation sucks for pushing higher keys
swift orbit
I just played a MT+10 on my alt with a colo prot warrior who absolutely fking CRANKED the overall damage. I haven't even seen one this season.. Is it a case of just blasting easy content but struggling higher up? Cuz that damage was intense
ivory barn
is there a class that is like opposite apm of war?
warm plinth
is there a class that is like opposite apm of war?
Image might be small as I took it on my phone but this is the most current apm list
warm plinth
I believe these are pulled from raid statistics so it's possible there maybe weren't enough parses available for accurate data? I'm pulling that out of my ass though; I don't know for sure
I'm fairly sure I'm wrong there, tbh. I don't think simcraft would pull from logs for this; they'd just use the spec APLs
lilac olive
stoic hound
in two weeks I gonna get new PC so I want to start raiding probably, is it true it is hard to find a guild as a tank? In that case I guess I have to go slayer arms for raiding and keep prot for keys
ivory barn
Ummm kekw?
stoic hound
I tried fury on an alt account but that spec is just weird to me for some reasons
ivory barn
well I found a trinket
fringe mural
Image might be small as I took it on my phone but this is the most current apm l...
top 2 are the two classes that regularly use ocd skills
Aren't the two apm factors haste scaling of the spec and ocd skills?
fringe mural
simcraft isnt really up to date is it?
warm plinth
Every spec scales the same with haste except energy specs.
In terms of APM
It has to be up to date
Or we wouldn't have sims
fringe mural
Or we wouldn't have sims
but the list they uploaded was from 12.0.1
and is missing classes
warm plinth
I don't know why it's missing specs; it isn't the first time. But unless an APL changed significantly, this is still accurate
ivory barn
ilvl pusher lol
nou 😛
warm plinth
Certainly accurate enough to answer the question originally asked, which was just what is a low apm spec
fringe mural
fringe mural
Certainly accurate enough to answer the question originally asked, which was jus...
yeah for sure
shouldnt it be 12.0.5?
fringe mural
nou 😛
upgrade gaze to 285
save myth crests should you get a myth version
and heart too
ivory barn
not raiding mythic 🙁
fringe mural
well then upgrade it!
😄
i don't raid mythic either, i might save some gold to get boosted once at a trinket boss
chimaerus isnt that expensive anymore
red ferry
charred ivy
How do this things that up ilvl to 295 work? Can u use on crafted gear? Cause my weapon and Shield is crafted
undone beacon
crated weps/trinks, 6/6 hero weps/trinks, 6/6 myth weps/trinks
ivory barn
How do this things that up ilvl to 295 work? Can u use on crafted gear? Cause my...
this is what happens to max crafted
sharp gale
where is arms/fury lol
Fury is around 69 APM
You can do a quick sim and there is the apm in the html report
fringe mural
Fury is around 69 APM
interesting, is it because of haste? The only two ocd skills are reck and avatar right?
fringe mural
that would also explain why frost mage apm is low af
low base haste and crit/mastery is prio
and i think no ocd skill
since they removed icy veins
jagged pier
Every tick of rampage used to be counted as a cast for fury, i dont know if thats the case anymore tho
Like spirts for spriest each ghost counted as a cast at 1 point
fringe mural
maybe, because 70 is quite high even considering you cast around 2 ocd spells per minute
do the sims still use kick on cd for increased dmg?
snow cedar
Is it mandatory to know the optimal routes to reach 3k5, or is it feasible with Blizzard's pull tool?
I'm learning to tank, but I feel like the rate of leveling up from Rio is too fast/easy to +10, and there's not enough time to properly learn the routes.
I've tried using MDT or Keystone Guru on my other monitor, but I'm not comfortable with it at all 🙁 Maybe it's my age xD
sand condor
Gang mdi is running .. prot war??
charred ivy
this is what happens to max crafted
Sweet havent done q yet but will be nice. Sux i wanna also fury tho 😅
ionic fern
do the sims still use kick on cd for increased dmg?
No.
ionic fern
Is it mandatory to know the optimal routes to reach 3k5, or is it feasible with ...
Just play with the Blizz tool to begin with.
You will gain more experience and adjust the pulls accordingly down the line.
sharp gale
that would also explain why frost mage apm is low af
Basically everyone start at around 55-60 and it depends if you have oGCD, channels, haste or long casts
Every specs press 1 button when they can
snow cedar
Just play with the Blizz tool to begin with.
You will gain more experience and a...
Ty mate, ill try then.
torn gulch
I think you can achieve Keystone Myth (3400, resi 16) with W routes more or less if everybody does their part
I can easily see 3500 with groups being like 292 ilvl average + full folio powers
with basic routes
frosty mango
I’ve used w key routes to 3400 so i can confirm you can
Especially this season the dungeon poll is very linear
blazing shuttle
At what level does pugging, for a prot warrior, becomes impossible?
echo egret
Is it mandatory to know the optimal routes to reach 3k5, or is it feasible with ...
Blizzard route tells you what to kill, but not how to group up packs. Without a fair bunch of big pulls, you won’t time higher keys.
blazing shuttle
About to take on 18s, I want to take the rank 1 spot on my server./
echo egret
At what level does pugging, for a prot warrior, becomes impossible?
I’m starting to struggle at gettting invited for 17s.
I don’t display a high number of runs though, maybe it’s that.
blazing shuttle
Finished my 17s. Got invited to most of it after timing one or two.
echo egret
Yeah I’ve noticed this trend in lower ones too.
strong forum
I can easily see 3500 with groups being like 292 ilvl average + full folio power...
my friends right now are doing 19s with full W routes
with random ass comps
torn gulch
Yes I was being conservative
That is why I tell people in pugs to calm the fuck down and pull calmly because as long as the rest of the group has a brain the key is timed
you don't need crazy routes until high keys
torn gulch
I was of the opinion you dan do resi 16-17 with W routes if everybody does their jobs but Nome said that his friends are doing 19s with W routes
which means you might need tweaked routes from 20 and above
ivory barn
ez
chrome linden
those with puzzle box how do u manage it
fringe mural
you gotta take care of that hoarder inventory
fringe mural
nothing wrong with that bag
are there legion mining quest items in there?
and the legendary cloak from bfa
ah no ilvl 170 is tww
kindred turret
Guys, how do you deal with the heal absorb from the Shadowguard Defenders on left side NXP?
Starting on +15s and they just wreck me. 285 iLvl
lunar flare
Guys, how do you deal with the heal absorb from the Shadowguard Defenders on lef...
i usually just health pot, hs (if i can), impending victory etc and then pray they die quickly
kindred turret
wasnt enough
lunar flare
if things get super dicey i will shockwave and run away to try let the stacks drop and give the healer a chance to catch up
some of it is on the healer too imo
tribal wharf
fringe mural
Guys, how do you deal with the heal absorb from the Shadowguard Defenders on lef...
is it a spell they cast or applied on hit?
the stacking heal absorb debuff
ah it's melee on hit
prism could help
solarflare
it should proc fairly early during the pull for a high amount of crit giving you a little more parry
and reduce the amount of stacks you get
but it also depends on how your mates cc the enemies
if they get stunned a lot, it won't stack that high
kindred turret
Yeh they prolly did not CC at all
fringe mural
Ig you can pull the first two with stun hammer so they don't hit you while gathering the rest
but i need to figure that out too, i suck there
get hit way too often before i collected them all
tribal wharf
Can't speak for raid bc don't raid, I know topicx makes keystone pwar video
lusty grotto
who do you guys usually watch for tank guides for the raids
any is fine
as long as it covers tank swaps
if youre talking about mythic raid then Sense, but only after learning the general fight strat, which any will do on both video or written format
broken marsh
who do you guys usually watch for tank guides for the raids
tactycs
sense for gameplay tactcys for explanation
pliant mesa
Dumb question - has anyone felt squishy this week after the tank buffs? Been running 12-14's like i have been and it seem this week i've been getting my face eaten
lusty grotto
no
broken marsh
I feel tankier
pliant mesa
damn.. just did a 13 seat and i was blowing cd's in places i normally didn't need to use them on. and did a nexus earlier and just felt like i was wearing cloth in a few pulls
broken marsh
Where were u blowing cds in seat
lusty grotto
different keys, differnt group
a lot of different factors
you cant see yourself in a vacuum
feelcrafting is no bueno
without considering the whole
but even then
broken marsh
I was blowing cds on adepts before I figured out that you can spell reflect the bash
pliant mesa
diff grp comp but same people
lusty grotto
objectively speaking we're only tankier
rocky crest
Guys, how do you deal with the heal absorb from the Shadowguard Defenders on lef...
Stun the first 2 defenders, leap, gather, demoshout avatar, put up spell reflect you can reflect/deflect 1 stack and the dmg reduction buff from SR helps. Hit impending victory directly when you reach 2 stacks. Shockwave, dont forget to spam TC so demo shout gets up. I tend to pick Last stand with SW in that dungeon. So that I can clear the negative buffs off myself pretty fast
also Spell reflect up anytime you can
broken marsh
Make sure you have bsv and don't get slammed by back hits either
rocky crest
You can clear chains in Seat if you skill into fearless. It's up to you if you think it's worth it or not
30 sec cd on rage
at the expense of less CC ( shockwave cd goes up )
gritty breach
damn.. just did a 13 seat and i was blowing cd's in places i normally didn't nee...
are you remembering to spell reflect on seat?
unkempt pebble
damn.. just did a 13 seat and i was blowing cd's in places i normally didn't nee...
Maybe champions were enraged
And before someone had soothed them when they did
Theres so many variables like healer not healing, dps doesnt cc etc
You can SS champions and whatever damaging you highest to reduce your damage taken if you aren't doing it already
Talent debuffs so they deal less dmg per stack
young kindle
For Simming ,, just select Patchwerk, 1 boss 5 mins with latest SimC?
undone beacon
Yep. Can do 5 bosses 1:30 for aoe sims
young kindle
so .. based on this ... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ncMmxU677aQQso1vtwv1Sy
should i recraft to mastery/crit?
young kindle
gotcha
unkempt hazel
ok so after giving rdru a try I now realize that one druid that kept drinking every 2 packs was not doing good
unkempt pebble
You are awesome
jagged pier
heady owl
Is there a way to track which spell i can spell reflection ingame?
I know, there is a guide, but no way i can remember everythings. :c
jagged pier
no
heady owl
😭 bring wa back. xD
heady owl
How do you remember every spell then, like oh i can use spell reflection soon
Thats my problem too
heady owl
Oof. well. Oke :dentge:
unkempt pebble
You remember them after a while
Like void bash, theres punishment mechanic if u dont reflect
fringe mural
take seat for example
For me the important ones are:
- 3rd cast of 1st boss tankbuster
2.knockback of trash up to 2nd boss - spell from 3rd boss
- lance from 4th boss
unkempt pebble
You get knocked back and champions just destroy ur stuff
jagged pier
u charge fast enough u dont go out of range of champ
fringe mural
if you charge back fast enough they won't charge you yes
unkempt pebble
You can cc and do that too to be safe but yea
fringe mural
but idk if the rage gained from charge is better than more uptime on the mobs
you lose a global i'd say
unkempt pebble
Yea
fringe mural
less TaN as well
and if you lag, you're dead
in higher keys
i'd rather sr tbh
nothing else is doing spell dmg on those packs
unkempt pebble
My charge curse is mobs going behind me sometimes
unkempt hazel
rdruid is awesome
aye it actually seems fun
so far at least
I just thought they have big mana issues, but apparently that druid didnt understand abudance
fringe mural
I just thought they have big mana issues, but apparently that druid didnt unders...
He needs to talk to dundun then
unkempt hazel
iron charm
When analyzing logs regarding shield block uptime, should I be looking at casts per minute or buff uptime or both? And how much is considered good/minimum, since it should ideally be up 100% in combat but then there's downtime running between packs, rp etc
jagged pier
u look at blocked hits
jagged pier
damage taken -> melee line -> hover over the hits column
iron charm
Cool thanks
jagged pier
in lura fight can tanks do the crystals
yes u just drop before the tank hits happen
then pick up again
unkempt hazel
so i can in fact dew it
jagged pier
yes
unkempt hazel
gon give it a go then, the guild be strugglin
and its pretty boring on hc as tank
lol
jagged pier
u can also just keep hoild of it
it spawns 2 circle
u and the other tank can just stand in them
unkempt hazel
dont u lose a crystal then
jagged pier
not on hc
unkempt hazel
wicked
sharp gale
You can also opt in for the strat where you don’t kick the second adds, you only get 2 crystals
You have more chance to see p3 yes
sharp gale
we've only seen it 3 times so far
how low boss hp was ?
i never seen it, except the first crystal activation
or you mean you've seen the second adds only 3 times 
crude hollow
is it better to macro shield slam with ignore pain or shield block?
jagged pier
u can bind SS into any off the gcd button if u want to snipe resets
but u still need the normal SS bind
modern spindle
any video recommendations folks for learning prot ? For keys specifically.
Ta in advance
blissful ravine
is a crafted weapon BIS for Protwarrior? I have a 289 Weapon and I am wondering if I should swap
jagged pier
no 289 is bis
blissful ravine
okay, cus the wowhead prot guide is kinda not really talking bout it. the BIS list has nur embellishment included
blissful ravine
okay I will have a look
severe star
I havent played in a bit but I currently have a crafted weapon should I use the voidcore on it or switch my embellishment to something else and then void core a 289 weapon
or is that just a sim
jagged pier
u sim
but it will tell u moving emlbishment to back and bracers and getting 298 wep is more damge
serene wave
Hey guys, any advice for NPX left side? I'm getting railed by the stacking null sunder and while I can pot and rush initially i eventually get overwhelmed. (+16/+17)
https://keystone.guru/route/nexuspoint-xenas/U6mXxQO/skandar-tank-high-key-nexus-point-xenas-17-20/1
This is roughly the route I'm using
lone wren
Leveling again my warrior.
What m+ dungeon I bonus roll in with absolutely 0 gear
kindred turret
For NPX +15/16, would you go with Heavy Repercussions or Into the Fray?
kindred turret
Stun the first 2 defenders, leap, gather, demoshout avatar, put up spell reflect...
Thanks. Which route are you running? Seeing different ideas right now, even with slow left side (lust first pull in first room - the two searing images, then play left side slowly, lust big before 2nd boss, and on last boss).
Getting 6 defenders at first pull always overwhelmed me in a 15
pseudo bone
Hey guys, any advice for NPX left side? I'm getting railed by the stacking null ...
Leap off the pack and kite, leaving time for healer to give you some hp and maybe dps can bully them
ivory barn
Couple people in my home were like telling me the other day to go pug 3400-3600io because others are, when you look at the actual "pugged" groups of there's on IO it's when the main group is not pushing
Granted I don't think 3019 to 3400 would be a bad idea
ivory barn
Oh, long season 
Maybe I find me a team and push then, this is the highest IO I've ever been anyway
crisp ocean
doesnt a +9 give 272 in vault?
crisp ocean
okay ty
plush tendon
you should avoid doing keys lower then 10
crisp ocean
I do 8 and 10
plush tendon
especially this late in the season
crisp ocean
8 for hero crests
crisp ocean
especially this late in the season
my alts lol
vital vale
I need to farm some 8s now on my alt to upgrade all my hero gear. farming myth will take too long until I cap it lol
crisp ocean
I need to farm some 8s now on my alt to upgrade all my hero gear. farming myth w...
EU?
plush tendon
why worry about hero crests at this point?
vital vale
ye eu
plush tendon
are yall even at myth crest cap?
vital vale
why worry about hero crests at this point?
free ilvl increase on an alt
crisp ocean
I might do 8s on my dudu
crisp ocean
are yall even at myth crest cap?
no
plush tendon
with like 8 bonus rolls, a bunch of saved crafts
crisp ocean
194/900
plush tendon
why even worry about hero pieces which are on the chopping block
even for a smidge of I level
vital vale
why even worry about hero pieces which are on the chopping block
have you geared an alt
plush tendon
have you geared an alt
I have 4 geared toons
crisp ocean
have you geared an alt
I have 7 alts
vital vale
great so i am like 400 myth crests away from cap but almost nothing left to use them on
but I got 3 hero items not fully upgraded
crisp ocean
but I got 3 hero items not fully upgraded
if you want hero crests go do the assualt
you get 20 each run, can finish in like 10 minutes
crisp ocean
depending on gear
vital vale
20 is good
crisp ocean
20 is good
what class is it
vital vale
guardian
crisp ocean
ez solo yeah
vital vale
already 280 ilvl
crisp ocean
I still have blue pieces on my alts so im stuck on 8s for now lol
vital vale
might still do 8s to help some people stuck in tankless queues
assaults are boring anyway
crisp ocean
true
vital vale
tanking low keys is charity
crisp ocean
tanking low keys is charity
can I join on my priest
vital vale
sure but i wont be on for at least a couple of hours
crisp ocean
ah nvm
ivory barn
If you do 10-12's when you're done collecting myth Crests it starts giving you other crest
vital vale
but im no where near done on mythic crests
coarse bay
Just do hero raid
vital vale
raids are boring
coarse bay
And if u havent done nulleus on it
crisp ocean
Just do hero raid
10 per boss
coarse bay
Ya but fast
vital vale
ive done nulleus
crisp ocean
whos nulleus
magic raft
Sup 🙂 May I ask two question:
- Is there a better website for browsing routes in m+? Currently I am pushing keys. I don't like many routes on keystoneguru for higher keys. And the pulls from kira etc. are not possible with pugs
- With the newest changes, is 4/4 apex worth playing now? Every website is telling something different 😅
lusty grotto
Sup 🙂 May I ask two question:
1. Is there a better website for browsing routes...
- raider.io
- we ALWAYS played 4/4
anyone playing 1/4 was in a beta fever dream, we never recommended 1/4, look at pins
magic raft
vital vale
Sup 🙂 May I ask two question:
1. Is there a better website for browsing routes...
-
what i do is just watch lots of different people run keys and they all do something a little bit differently. I pick and choose what I like based on what I feel comfy with and what works in my pugs
-
I used to alternate between 1/4 and 4/4 pre buff and found more success with 1/4 but since the buff i only run 4/4
its good to find differing opinions online because no one knows what the best builds is for your playstyle
lusty grotto
Raider.io is just copying the same route from keystone guru no? They dont even h...
you can look for your key level in the leaderboard and look at their routes, so no its not really copying them
plush tendon
Sup 🙂 May I ask two question:
1. Is there a better website for browsing routes...
if you have a preferred comp you run, try and find teams that run the same comp in high keys
like I used to run keys melee cleave keys with a Ret Paladin, so we would copy Qrva/Melee routes
since we had super similar comps
plush tendon
also cause Qrva plays with the Goat Critcake
magic raft
1) what i do is just watch lots of different people run keys and they all do som...
y for some keys there are not many other routes (windspire, skyreach) etc. but for maisara or pit there are so many. Most routes I could find are to slow in my opinion 😄
lusty grotto
then modify them
ivory barn
1/4 is a trap
lusty grotto
you dont have to stick with an established route
ivory barn
I leveled a frost mage
magic raft
you dont have to stick with an established route
I know 🙂 thanks guys!
plush tendon
I leveled a frost mage <:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
undone beacon
the heck is that priest doing
plush tendon
Frost is cool
plush tendon
the heck is that priest doing
he capped 15 minutes before
brought him along for vibes
ivory barn
Needed that fat int buff
undone beacon
Our pwarr was late to raid because of a work emergency so my first actual raid tanking this season was mythic crown 
ivory barn
Our pwarr was late to raid because of a work emergency so my first actual raid t...
Get thrown right into the barrel
plush tendon
where you are never in range of your healers and gotta 'figure it out'
undone beacon
Nah I had support the whole time
plush tendon
undone beacon
Was pretty chill tbh, not a bad tank fight
ivory barn
Ahh, the "how to parse" mechanic
vital vale
y for some keys there are not many other routes (windspire, skyreach) etc. but f...
while everyone will tell you that warrior is a super easy tank to play, its only half true. the rotation is very easy and the mitigation is strong and easy to maintain, but on the other hand, warrior requires quite a bit of planning and finesse to pull off a good gather, and you are by far the most sensitive to back hits out of all the tanks, which means positioning for you isn't just a skill expression, its life and death.
plan a pull and try to do it, keep note of what went wrong and what you could have done better next time. if some gathers are too convoluted and unreliable try and adapt the pull a s move things around. do low keys to allow yourself to practice gathering plans
plush tendon
after P1, there is legit 0 way to die to non-environmental mechanics
undone beacon
Though i did learn the P1 adds in P3 still do the "nobody in range? stand still and cast" mechanic when we got there and i leaped onto the simulacrum
"bro move the add bro" I KNOW
plush tendon
doooood
undone beacon
I just FUCKED UP give me a sec
plush tendon
those adds were a nightmare to pick up
like not hard, but sometimes they spawn is the least obvious places
undone beacon
mmhm, annoying af
undone beacon
I ended up switching back to priest because our tank got home, we got the boss to 14% so we're def killing after reset
Would've been a kill but the raid lead had a series of bad calls and got us killed
plush tendon
my guild is currently hoping that HoF doesnt close tonight
it prob will, but we have a shot of killing Lura this coming reset
polar herald
Oh man good luck
undone beacon
Long days in the P1 wipe factory 
plush tendon
to many people just didnt understand how to carry seeds properly/trying to do too much
magic raft
while everyone will tell you that warrior is a super easy tank to play, its only...
Thats not the issue for me. I am playing warrior tank for mostly 10 years and always went for +13 keys. But now me and my healer friend wanna push higher and are currently at 16/17 keys. And its jsut annoying because the difference is huge in my opinion 😄 because some mobs are hitting so hard you just cant pull them
plush tendon
but over the last week I have watched like 60 episodes of My Hero Academia
so thats cool
undone beacon
Not 50 pulls but just p1 wipes until people figured it out
vital vale
Thats not the issue for me. I am playing warrior tank for mostly 10 years and al...
yeah that's the problem this season with warrior. this wouldn't have happened if they didn't take away our Spell Block last season
polar herald
I don't wanna I interrupt, but does anyone have a resource that explains MT 1st pull on prot? My prot friend is pushing 14s and even with barkskin I can't keep him up while he gathers first pull
undone beacon
P2 prog was quick, its literally just getting positioning down in p3
lusty grotto
I don't wanna I interrupt, but does anyone have a resource that explains MT 1st ...
in magisters?
barkskin, i think you mean shield wall?
or what
vital vale
external barkskin maybe
vital vale
people play that pull dumb because they save every cd for pull 2
lusty grotto
thats true for dps, but no reason to hold walls
plush tendon
P2 prog was quick, its literally just getting positioning down in p3
P2 is kind of a free phase imo
lusty grotto
still kinda odd hes getting chunked by it
plush tendon
at least for Crown
vital vale
and its quite dangerous to warriors due to 2 enforcers
that deal magic auto attacks
unless dispelled
polar herald
External yeah
lusty grotto
External yeah
do you have a log
polar herald
Oh geez sorry, not MT, Maisara
undone beacon
P2 is kind of a free phase imo
It was mostly making sure the ranged stacked properly for orbs/obelisks and then ez
lusty grotto
OHH
polar herald
I'm currently asking for a friend lol, I can come back with a log later
plush tendon
It was mostly making sure the ranged stacked properly for orbs/obelisks and then...
100% once you know how to do arrows+shoot those things
lusty grotto
well MC first pull if he drops SB he will drop dead
plush tendon
P2 is basically just 'how low can we get boss'
vital vale
External yeah
save your bark until the enforcers enchant their weapons and tell ur prot warrior to use his defensive there. enforcers eat warrior tanks
ivory barn
Pwar seems like a great excuse for a pug 3400+ tank
lusty grotto
you could help him by soothing enrages
but
he drops SB in MC first pull and hes dead, he eats a frog circle he is probably dead as well
undone beacon
P2 is basically just 'how low can we get boss'
We were consistently getting her down to like, 43%-45% with good arrows so, close to the auto-phase threshold at this rate
lusty grotto
depending on key level
undone beacon
Then half the raid dies to the rift slash and we reset
vital vale
if you do MC with a rogue tell them to use Wound Poison
berserker will die much faster
and spear guys too
polar herald
He seems to have a movement issue from my perspective, he struggles to group the first pulls on MC without turning his back
undone beacon
I just wanna kill it and roll an alleria neck and then im basically maxxed out on gear for the season
polar herald
a back hit is death
👍 yeah fer sher
plush tendon
I just wanna kill it and roll an alleria neck and then im basically maxxed out o...
until the spore boss releases
polar herald
if you do MC with a rogue tell them to use Wound Poison
Oh good idea, we do have a rogue buddy who pushes with us occasionally
plush tendon
a little frustrating they are releasing that raid and all the loot is gonna be 298
undone beacon
yeah highkey dumb. I preferred everything being warbound instead
plush tendon
289 warbound raid loot wouldve gone hard
but now I gotta get in there on my main for next season
to get him max geared
undone beacon
plush tendon
was looking forward to being # done with my War gear this week
then I could focus on my other toons and get them BiS; gotta have options for next raid tier
vital vale
Oh good idea, we do have a rogue buddy who pushes with us occasionally
yeah and he can swap it off before 1st boss if he needs to
tho its probably a choice node talent or smth idk anything about rogue talents
but the bottom line is that despite how crap warriors feel this season, you can never die to anything kitable as a warrior
if he dying to berserker or enforcers or whatever, he isn't kiting when he has nothing left to use
which I know isn't fun. I swap to druid because im sick of having to kite in 7/8 dungeons this season as a warrior
fringe mural
a back hit is death
Is it a good idea to shockwave the 4 berserkers while you pass by them?
lusty grotto
sure
just remember they need to be gathered quickly so that people can lust em down
fringe mural
i was playing the right side route and figured they're the biggest threat, if they can't hit me while i gather i can settle with the mammoth and the rest easier
harsh cypress
Do u guys still agree with the "only ignore pain over 70 rage" thing or is it outdated somehow with the buff it got? I find I'm basically always using it if I have enough rage and at least a few seconds of shieldblock left. But maybe i should be using revenge more instead?
lusty grotto
no, its not an outdated thing
its never been outdated
and probably never will
its been the case for every iteration of us
what do you mean at least a few seconds of SB left?
harsh cypress
Like at least 5
harsh cypress
its been the case for every iteration of us
Well, the last time I played wow it didn't exist haha
lusty grotto
so before shield barrier?
harsh cypress
why would you wait
So I just should be pressing s.block as soon as I can whenever it's off cd, even if I've got plenty of time?
lusty grotto
you need to maintain SB
harsh cypress
so before shield barrier?
Yeah it was in wotlk when I played last
fringe mural
ah
lusty grotto
Sb management has not changed since vanilla
you maintain it
that means keeping it up
at all times
ideally
fringe mural
except in cata where it was cursed
lusty grotto
if you dont have charges make sure youre not getting hit
lusty grotto
anyway that's beside the point
its more than mangeable to keep up with the proper talents (HR with low haste, etc)
and more to the point, IP does not depend on SB, they are managed separately
whether SB (or even IP) are up has no relevance on if you hit IP at 70 rage
does that answer your questions @harsh cypress ?
if not then read this: #protection message
harsh cypress
Yeah, I guess it just struck me as like, something you need to keep up 100% of the time like you do with block
lusty grotto
well you will have high uptime if you hit it at 70 rage
you just dont use revenge as thane, unless if you need a shield slam reset
waxen fiber
ohh we dont spam revenge
lusty grotto
thane buffs thunderclap, not revenge, you gain nothing by using it over SS or TC
you do, if youre colossus
well not spam exactly, you still need rage
fringe mural
ohh we dont spam revenge
well we hit it when ss and tc are not up
That's not exactly as rare as raging blow when playing fury but it is third in line
but revenge alone will not keep rage down so we use the excess rage for ip
lyric ivy
how do you guys deal with quickly targeting certain enemies? clicking feels so janky or buggy and tab targeting is hard for me too. Anything i need to know or do i just need to practice? Anyhow, how do you guys go about it?
fringe mural
I mouseover most of it
lyric ivy
for example when losing aggro on a few mobs that are a few feet away
lyric ivy
I mouseover most of it
ah you have mouseover macro with taunt for example?
fringe mural
heroic throw is usually enough
lyric ivy
ok ok
and it should work by just mouseover the hp bar or does it need to be on the enemy
lyric ivy
ok thanks
plush tendon
most targeting is done by nameplate; its why having good nameplates is so important
lyric ivy
clicking on hp bars often doesnt target them for some reason
plush tendon
especially for tanking
lyric ivy
yeah i have nameplate addon thing, it makes them big and colored depending on aggro
lyric ivy
they dont overlap i think, i will practice more with mouseover macro
fringe mural
you need to be able to see them all casting which is very important
lyric ivy
my hands have never done the gymnastics that wow requires
fringe mural
Threat is not so much an issue as kicking and stunning at the right times
or using wrecking throw on gargoyle in pit or banshee in windrunner for example
lyric ivy
Threat is not so much an issue as kicking and stunning at the right times
yeah kicking i do decently well, usually enough time for my slow ass to target them
but when i lose aggro i panick hard and it feels more urgent
fringe mural
i think taunt is an ocd spell so that one is better for urgent situations
better than ht
lusty grotto
i click nameplates, i set a focus target on the gather/pull to focus kick
coarse bay
^
lusty grotto
and i stick with the prio target or whatever hits hard to stack punish
lyric ivy
focus target is for later i think, im still struggling without an extra kind of target
lusty grotto
on a pinch for a kick and if i dont have a focus target, i tab to it since tab prios casting mobs
coarse bay
Focus actually reduces mental load if anything
lyric ivy
hmm rly
coarse bay
Imo it does
lusty grotto
it does if set up well
lyric ivy
setting focus target and stuff and keeping track and having different hotkeys for focus target seems so overwhelming ngl
coarse bay
Tbh i dont have a separate bind from focus kick, but it’d be good to have. I never used it so stopped having it
lusty grotto
it can feel that way at first but with practice it becomes natural
coarse bay
Ill use stops or just mouseover change my focus in a pinch
lusty grotto
i dont have a separate focus kick bind either
i just have one
with a modifier in case i need to target kick, but i barely use the modifier
lyric ivy
on a pinch for a kick and if i dont have a focus target, i tab to it since tab p...
oh what, good to know that it prios that
coarse bay
Good thing about focus kick is like nim said, setting it while going up to a pull not fishing through moving nameplates
lyric ivy
what is point of focus target if you have no specific keybinds for it?
is there a use im missing
lusty grotto
you keep hitting your current target
coarse bay
I have no keybinds for non focus kick
lusty grotto
prio target
coarse bay
Ill change my focus target to kick something in emergency
lyric ivy
ah so your kick skill just always targets ur focus target and never main attacking target?
coarse bay
Ya
lyric ivy
ok ok
lusty grotto
focus kicking is great for any class
both targets, shaman or dps
you can barrel down the prio target which can be different than casters
lyric ivy
do you guys also use mouseover with charge and stuff?
lusty grotto
i dont
i only mouse over heroic throw and wrecking throw
thats it
taunt as well
lyric ivy
any specific reason or just what u used to?
lusty grotto
its good to have for ranged spells/attacks
faster
removes an action (i.e. clicking), so its faster
lyric ivy
yeah it sounds great
im wondering if its also worth on shield charge and charge and stuff
lusty grotto
i dont think so
you shield charge point blank with buffs
its a nuke
you dont use it as a gap closer
thats what regular charge is for
lusty grotto
for the most part anyway, there are cases where you do use it at range but they are not that numerous
graceful anchor
You should use shield charge on opening into a pack mostly because it puts up shield block. you can also use it to point blank interupt if needed or if you're out of charges but that should be its primary function
lusty grotto
i personally dont need it, but if you feel like it'll make a difference then go for it
lusty grotto
You should use shield charge on opening into a pack mostly because it puts up sh...
no
shield charge hits hard
graceful anchor
drats 🙁
lyric ivy
You should use shield charge on opening into a pack mostly because it puts up sh...
yeah thats what i read too
lyric ivy
and i found out today that shield blocks stack, so ive been just using shield blocks and shield charge on cd basically
graceful anchor
sweet, looks like i learned something new today also.
lyric ivy
yeah i think its new in this expansion
lusty grotto
its not
lyric ivy
then i wasnt paying enough attention earlier ig
lyric ivy
you want to use it with avatar/demo shout
becuase of dmg buff?
lusty grotto
of course
lyric ivy
so is opening rotation of shield charge -> avatar (while charging) -> demo shout any good
its what i saw on icy veins
lyric ivy
but it would not get demo shout buff i guess
lusty grotto
charge -> avatar -> demo -> SB/SC
lyric ivy
i see, makes sense ig
optimal dmg since charge can only be from distance and SC can be point blank
lyric ivy
ah recalled wrong
lyric ivy
what does ST mean
lusty grotto
single target
lyric ivy
ahhhh
lusty grotto
yes
you use SS regardless of target count
Apex makes it aoe
but even before we had apex talents we used it in aoe for rage
its your biggest rage generator
lusty grotto
lofty warren
I almost never am able to cast charge and while im charging cast taunt and avatar before I reach enemy and then cast aoe stomp as I reach them
lyric ivy
yeah seems kind of hard
lofty warren
So much buttons so press in such a short time
kindred turret
I see a lot of high-key builds only putting 1 point into Apex - right?
lusty grotto
I see a lot of high-key builds only putting 1 point into Apex - right?
bad builds
read pins
sweet egret
yes, you may be right in seeing it
lofty warren
Dont let nimchomp see he'll get an analurism
lone wren
for bonus roll skyreach or academy? i shoudl have 10 next reset ( new lvled char)
lusty grotto
depends on what you need
lusty grotto
then AA is fine
plush tendon
yea, you just choose one dungeon
and bonus roll that dungeon till you get everything youd want
lusty grotto
either work honestly
lone wren
yep that iss waht i wanted to do did it ont he shaman
lusty grotto
just 100% stick to one like Augusto says
lone wren
trienkt wise skyreach or algethar waht is better?
lusty grotto
doesnt really matter, you need ilvl
lone wren
i need wepaon and shield no?
lofty warren
I would run droptimizer and see what's best
lusty grotto
AA is probably best since both have haste
lofty warren
Just pick the one with highest expected value avg
lone wren
yeah nexus and seat is the good rigns if i go dps or avoidance
lone wren
witht aht amny rolls i jsut takea full table
lofty warren
Imo puzzle box trinket is bait tho I filter that thing out
plush tendon
the two rings from Nexus are very good, plus theres a shield in Nexus Point
lusty grotto
just do AA
forget about the additional advice
you need shield and 1h
no reason to think about the rest
lone wren
skyreach also sheild and oen hander
lusty grotto
stick to AA
lusty grotto
AA is probably best since both have haste
kindred turret
bad builds
Ok thx! Read the pin - though, as I am not too deep into the acronyms, what is the most tanky yet usable build then, for pushing 15/16?
Seems (as discussed yesterday night) I am struggling with staying alive in PUGs, in NPX especially.
plush tendon
Puzzlebox is fine, you have to be carful of the channel time
lusty grotto
Ok thx! Read the pin - though, as I am not too deep into the acronyms, what is t...
you dont need a bulky build for 15/16, you just need to manage heal absorbs
plush tendon
personally not a fan of it
lofty warren
Biggest challenge to timing 16s is getting an invite with ppl that arent goobers
kindred turret
Nevertheless, which build is preferable, then, pls? 😄
lone wren
Ok thx! Read the pin - though, as I am not too deep into the acronyms, what is t...
on the healer side they eat the tank slowly those pulls healer should also help
lusty grotto
Nevertheless, which build is preferable, then, pls? 😄
the icy veins build with BSV
just swap Enduring Alacrity for it
if you want indom, swap Focused Vigor for it
lofty warren
Also there are some dungeons where you should use the magic dr talent t instead of armor
ivory barn
I'd post the build I have but it would probably get laughed at
lusty grotto
if you plan on swapping rage talents (which i dont recommend), you will need frothing
ivory barn
Oh shit, nvm, this what I use haha
lusty grotto
lyric ivy
Oh shit, nvm, this what I use haha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\
plush tendon
AA is probably best since both have haste
btw, only wep has haste
the shield is vers/mastery
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
ivory barn
I dont think there are any haste shields this season
Craft it
lusty grotto
no reason to not send AA
kindred turret
So this right? Thanks!
lusty grotto
So this right? Thanks!
those are swaps, from the icy veins build
its not the exact talents you want to go
it depends on what you need, on a dungeon to dungeon basis
plush tendon
Id prob prefer Skyreach>AA personally if I was a fresh Prot War (especially if Im not gonna raid)
but to each their own
ivory barn
They are sub optimal, but they work well enough
lusty grotto
if you want tos slam bonus rolls on ONE dungeon
fringe mural
isnt the only actual gcd spell you hit when engaging demo shout?
ivory barn
That is fair enough yeah
fringe mural
charge, avatar, sc, sb, all off gcd
ivory barn
I sent my first 7 on nxp
lusty grotto
hes looking to gear quickly
lofty warren
If I was a fresh pwar I would not want to get puzzle box
lusty grotto
if he can grab two, he might as well grab the combo where one of them has haste
plush tendon
he can also bonus roll a diff dungeon with good trinkets/jerwly and just craft a wep
kindred turret
it depends on what you need, on a dungeon to dungeon basis
Is there a comprehensive list on a dungeon to dungeon basis?
I am a working dad with a second child coming. I can play, but I can't set up my own lists with all info needed and keep every tiny bit in mind :S
plush tendon
nothing is absolute with the bonus rolls, but you should just pick one
lusty grotto
augusto youre being very anal about this
fringe mural
lol
lofty warren
If only raidbots had a feature called DROPRIMIZER
plush tendon
yea, there are so many options; but I think the prevailing agreement is just choose one dungeon and do that one
until you get everything you wanted from there
fringe mural
helm, chest, belt, boots, 1 ring, bis gloves, bis weapon (before raiding)
loot table of seat is great for fresh prot
if you have a shield that is
lusty grotto
IT HAS NO SHIELD
lofty warren
You shouldn't spam the same one if you want the best gear because the relative value can change depending on what you get
