protection

[lusty grotto]

void infusion does not target the tank (that i recall)

[fringe mural]

not me though, but i saw dps dying

[heavy sparrow]

It was just the bird boss in WS. Usually I'll normally take a tank trinket with me, but the entire fight I was roughly around 40% health. Everything else was 🍰 though

[jagged pier]

nim whats the proc rate of SD on sims?

[lusty grotto]

1 sec

2.8 ppm

[jagged pier]

okay

BBit is

[broken marsh]

What is the best comp for pushing m+ as prot. I really like mw, uh, ret, bm/aug and I hate priests

for 18/19s

[undone beacon]

What’s wrong with priests

[toxic pewter]

no shaman is wild

especially if u got a ret goin around with u too

[undone beacon]

^

[broken marsh]

I have never had a priest do more hps than me but maybe it's just bad priests

[undone beacon]

Oh healing priests

[broken marsh]

ye

[undone beacon]

Shadow priests are cool tho

[toxic pewter]

wait u r saying u do more hps than the healer?

wat in the world

[broken marsh]

yes

[toxic pewter]

na

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[ionic fern]

If no one is dying, hps is w/e.

[broken marsh]

yea but every1 dies and we abandon

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Then it's just bad players. Not necessarily only the priest.

[broken marsh]

Maybe I just pull bigger than normal, could be why I like mw

[heavy sparrow]

Looks like a free 285 trinket 8)

[heavy sparrow]

Priests are good cause at that range they actually like the class they play

[coarse bay]

Like they said too, ret loses like 10% damage without sham rn, and warrior likes it too

[frosty mango]

All the healers are fine (except for poopy Pres) but if you’re out healing healers that ain’t a class problem it’s a player problem lol

[tribal wharf]

no preference about healer but i am slightly biased about priest because literal 0 armor

so, gets hit with any melee ability, could die

[frosty mango]

That’s generally not an issue since ya know the mobs are hitting you and not the priest

[tribal wharf]

monk is good healer, shaman druid

[frosty mango]

I prefer

Pwar/mw/enh/uh/ret

You get resses, good melee synergy, tons of stops

[chrome linden]

Resto shaman is great. Especially in m+

[frosty mango]

I could be convinced ele is better than enh but I’ve yet to find an ele sham who didn’t do 12 dps outside of cooldowns

[broken marsh]

it's a phys comp so wouldn't the monk buff be goated > rsham

[frosty mango]

Wdym it has monk buff

[broken marsh]

that's the thing tho dps sham feels like piss outside of cds

like instead of sham dps going hunt/aug

[frosty mango]

Rsham not better than mw in phys cleave, they do dogshit dps

Aug is a trap for most imo

Unless both the Aug and your dps are great it’s just a net negative

[broken marsh]

nono im saying dps sham like ele enh are horrid rn

unless npx

[raven light]

from the top 2000 keys

[broken marsh]

also prot/mw/rogue/ret/bm could be goated

[raven light]

good thing is we can go lower

cant*

[broken marsh]

is that post druid nerf?

[raven light]

since last reset

[broken marsh]

gulp

maybe means more dmg buffs 🙂

[sweet summit]

is bear op or is every good player just rerolling or is it both

[lusty grotto]

bear was op last week

got nerfed this week

[raven light]

we clould get a 10% aura buff to both damage and healing and still be below current druid

[lusty grotto]

to be around the same damage as MW and the rest

people just stuck with it

[sweet summit]

nothing ever changes...

[lusty grotto]

nah we're comparable

[raven light]

no we are not

[lusty grotto]

youre exaggerating

[raven light]

like not even close

[lusty grotto]

link your source

[raven light]

warfcraftlogs

[lusty grotto]

link it

[raven light]

starting a 20

but will

[lilac olive]

you are not supposed to play 1/4 apex

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-dj-khaled-khaled-another-you-da-best-gif-16232853

We the 0.1%

[torn gulch]

we are well below guardian druid in damage
we re talking 20-ish% average

[lusty grotto]

based on what

[torn gulch]

https://mythicstats.com/dps?dungeon=&period=1063

results pulled from warcraft logs

[lusty grotto]

16 to 23 where people are still fucking around with 1/4 apex

and colossus

[torn gulch]

the majority of those keys are not 1/4 apex

[lusty grotto]

87k to 72 is also NOT a 20% difference

[lusty grotto]

does not matter, it skews the data

[torn gulch]

it's close to 20% what do you mean

i said 20-ish

if you want real numbers we're talking 18.87%

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess youre right

but i still dont understand why you guys insist on using aggregate data without understanding the whole nuance

[heavy sparrow]

If it helps put things in perspective, a prot paladin friend of mine blasted through to 3k in 2 days and has been struggling after 3300 Io cause of "meta comps". The data may also show what's popular and in demand, not so much middle or late middle season statistics

[lusty grotto]

Rdruid is bottom tier, and yet

and yet

[lofty warren]

Aggregated data done right has value imo

[lusty grotto]

there's a build

that does excellent damage

[torn gulch]

but we never said that we don't understand the whole nuance
but we still know that warrior's damage is under guardian

[lusty grotto]

thats being actually picked up now

[lusty grotto]

this is not a metric to go by

did VDH, BDK, and Prot Pally damage get buffed?

we just received big thane buffs

so how come

we're dead last and the others are moving up

[lofty warren]

Omg f tier

[lusty grotto]

WITHOUT damage buffs

?

[lofty warren]

Others received tankiness buffs so they could stop playing max defensive talents and or pull bigger

[torn gulch]

number of runs skew the data for this week

[lusty grotto]

yes thats very true

[worthy karma]

hello friends

should i send my voids into my shield first?

[small quail]

My number moght be getting called for vanguard to tank as prot. I know spell reflect is a cheat code, but how do i put it in practice? Do i just tank one and spell reflect their BS after judgement, reducing the taint swaps down to the other target?

[lofty warren]

The data does reflect my exp. My 283 ilvl pwar with myth gaze does less than my 280 brew basivally no matter the comp and pull size is basically the same

[lusty grotto]

just slap SR after you taunt

[white stag]

Probably not the right place to ask but you guys know things, if I void a maxed out heroic gaze can you void it again to 298ilvl?

[torn gulch]

no

[broken marsh]

wep>shield>trink

[small quail]

So there are still taunt swaps?

[coarse bay]

Why is everyone putting ret in the comps, it literally does 10% less without shaman so its better to take anything else

[lament osprey]

Weapon, trinket, then shield

[worthy karma]

as someone doing it currently, go watch Tactyks video

[broken marsh]

phys comp

[broken marsh]

yes

[coarse bay]

It brings nothing to a physical comp and does less damage without sham

[broken marsh]

It does physical dmg wdym

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lament osprey]

Vanguard is nothing, just taunt and spell reflect as nimchip said

It’s that easy

[broken marsh]

You taunt swap and then you spell reflect the finishing move

[coarse bay]

It needs shaman buff, brings no buff to a physical comp, and isnt fully physical

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna skip the swap with SR

[worthy karma]

depends if you are the one running the boss out or not

[lusty grotto]

you still need to do the swap

[broken marsh]

if ur cotank fucks up you can also taunt both with challenging shout and reflect one

[lament osprey]

You always taunt then spell reflect

It’s always up during judgment specially

[worthy karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg6qDtLuIRM

[broken marsh]

Also when only one of the ret/prot pallies is up u can spell reflect exorcism

[lament osprey]

Sorry after judgement

Don’t spell reflect exorcism it’s bait

[lusty grotto]

that has a chance of not working

[broken marsh]

at start and start of venel 1st aura cast it is free dmg

wdym not working

[lusty grotto]

especially since you will also taunt Senn

and that might eat your SR if she casts

[worthy karma]

this is so true and a big brain save

[lusty grotto]

you will be big dead

[lament osprey]

I’m talking about mythic, if heroic idc

[broken marsh]

i literally just did it on mythic using that tech

[lusty grotto]

thats why i said

[broken marsh]

it works fine

[lusty grotto]

has a CHANCE*

its not "tech"

[broken marsh]

its 3 instances of increased dmg which does matter in a fight like vanguard where there is a dps check

[jagged pier]

yes

[lament osprey]

This far into tier it’s mechanics over dps

[jagged pier]

theirs timing to SR

but yes

[lusty grotto]

this far into the tier, with raid buff, with voidcore weapons

[jagged pier]

and u want bel

as u doe damge back

[broken marsh]

u do dmg back on both srs

[lusty grotto]

challenging because the other tank fucked up is not "tech" to "beat the dps check"

[lusty grotto]

no you dont

only on sotr

FV is a deflect, it does 0 damage

[broken marsh]

mmm

[lament osprey]

Just show nim the log then

Not this trust me bro

[broken marsh]

i mean it can be if ur like 50 pulls deep and the cotank taunts early or smthn

can salvage a pull

oh not to dps tho just to not have the other tank get oneshot

[lusty grotto]

yes youre trying to save the pull

but tech is something you plan to do

not an "oh shit" slap

[broken marsh]

I mean I feel like it counts as tech if you have a plan for if something goes wrong

Like reactive tech

[lusty grotto]

its not a plan because it has a 50/50 chance of you fucking dying

senn casts, SR gone, wheres your SR? in the grave

you're challening shouting

instead of simply taunting

but even then if your other tank is down

[broken marsh]

well yea cuz u still need taunt for the other boss

[lusty grotto]

youre have a real chance of getting fucked as well

[broken marsh]

so u normal taunt first boss

[lusty grotto]

leap resets taunt cd

[lament osprey]

Leap is tech

[broken marsh]

but if ur getting autoed as u leap ur insta one shot from backshot no?

[jagged pier]

u can leap like 1 meter

and stay in melee

[broken marsh]

maybe that would be a little harder than taunt -> challenging imo

then just move according so aura doesnt drop on raid head

[lusty grotto]

it makes no difference

if your other tank is dead

[broken marsh]

ye thats why u save them

[lusty grotto]

if they fuck up the swap, you have bigger problems than trying to salvage a pull

[coarse bay]

Just bring a third tank with all these buffs

[broken marsh]

like i said if its 50 pulls deep and they fuck up a pull that would otherwise be a kill you can salvage it

and as a prot war its honestly ur job to do that

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[broken marsh]

we cant always play perfect and having a fail safe is pretty nice

[lusty grotto]

either work, you just risk Exorcism taking your SR away

with aoe taunt

[broken marsh]

i was testing it in hc and i wasnt really having problems with exorcsim overlap

and she casts it more in hc

[lusty grotto]

anyway this is not what the person asked

[jagged pier]

why would u taunt senn anyway shell just snap to u if the other tank dies

[broken marsh]

u just have to press sr close to the cast time of sotr

[jagged pier]

theres no need to mas taunt

[broken marsh]

the point is the other tank wouldnt die

[jagged pier]

all she does is cast at highest agro

[lusty grotto]

unnecessary overthinking

[broken marsh]

we arent trying to taunt senn that is just a byproduct of saving the tank

[jagged pier]

but u have a normal taunt for that

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[broken marsh]

i normal taunt -> challenging for saves as it felt more consistent then taunt - leap - taunt

[lusty grotto]

you mean "easier"

[broken marsh]

i mean both can be true

[lusty grotto]

in this case, i wouldnt say so

[broken marsh]

sometimes you take backshots from taunt - leap - taunt so it was incosistent

but taunt - challenging is the same every time

[coarse bay]

You dont have to take backshots

[broken marsh]

while also being easier regarding button pressing imo

[lusty grotto]

its fine, you keep doing that, but the person that asked about it did not ask for this application of it

so lets just drop it

[lament osprey]

Do you think we drop tacking of IP as well???

@Nim

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

Since pwar was good for 2 seasons in tww do you think blizz is intentionally making it badly tuned this season? They have to know that pwar is basically bottom tier for damage output and taking magic damage hits

[heavy sparrow]

How can we navigate to understanding our blocks vs. backshots again?

[lusty grotto]

anyway back to the topic at hand

how many dps buffs did these classes receive between May 12th and May 5th hotfixes?

because i see

[broken marsh]

you get one shot in higher level content that's pretty easy to tell

[lusty grotto]

a big fat

ZERO

[lofty warren]

Dps buffs arent the only thing that influence how much dps a tank does

[lusty grotto]

right here https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24276957

[heavy sparrow]

Lmao yeah but like I'm sloppy in some areas but some not

[lusty grotto]

do you mean in logs?

[broken marsh]

I mean the numbers say they do more dps, maybe the class had more dps capability if pulling the same or more than prot war

[coarse bay]

Id imagine warrior is average including buff

[heavy sparrow]

Basically I wanna see this but straight up not sure how to get there

[lusty grotto]

on your left pic, any hit is a back hit

while SB is up

you can get back hit without SB up, but counting those is irrelevant

[lofty warren]

Pwar Is like the worst dps tank atm unless youre able to time all spell reflects perfectly and nobody else int and even then.. they are 2nd from the bottom

[coarse bay]

Not really, bdk and ppal dont bring group buffs

[broken marsh]

druid and brew were higher since season start no?

and bdk

[lusty grotto]

???

[broken marsh]

dmg avg I mean

[heavy sparrow]

Ahhh. So 65% of the time I'm being hit by melee im getting back hits in this 1 run nice.

[lusty grotto]

you need to hover on hits

youre hovering over the wrong thing

[blazing shuttle]

Does anyone have a good route for an AA 17? I've been flamed over a pull choice on the bridge. Note: Said DPS died on a breath.

[lusty grotto]

the popup over hits, will tell you how many back hits you took while SB was up (in green)

[lusty grotto]

basically anything that you didnt block was a back hit

[broken marsh]

skip the first worms by hopping across, that's it

[blazing shuttle]

Trying to send the screen, it is seemingly not sending. Uh.

The red square

is what I've pulled

[broken marsh]

It's fine to chain, breath auto targets onto tank position

so move away from group

[blazing shuttle]

He was right next to me

[lofty warren]

Ohh ur attributing "total dps spec brings including extra dps for others". Ppal brings def buff so ppl no so scared of dying bdk brings their "raid buff" by being able to tightly group enemies instantly so dps dont have to wait

[blazing shuttle]

He legit TP'ed next to me

[broken marsh]

Then it's on him lol

[coarse bay]

I do include group buffs, yes

[blazing shuttle]

So like I don't get how it's a shit route, or I mean that pull

I'm kinda an idiot so

[lusty grotto]

pulling more than 1 ravager means you will skip at the end

if you pull more than 1

and do not skip

you wasted time

[blazing shuttle]

We wiped anyway

So

So should I take ONE ravager only?

[broken marsh]

ye

[lusty grotto]

if you dont skip, yes

if you skip, no

[broken marsh]

Just skip the one on the bridge when u get there after crawth

ye pull the other ravaged not that one

[heavy sparrow]

Ohhhh found the problem. I couldn't get there cause of mobile. I had to get the phone browser to view as desktop and then do it

[blazing shuttle]

?

[broken marsh]

yes

[blazing shuttle]

Got it boss

[broken marsh]

jusg ping b4

[blazing shuttle]

Looks dangerous with all the foragers though

[broken marsh]

b/c some dps yoga boogie walk forward

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah I mean

I got a healer that

did not know we would go there before the second boss

[broken marsh]

wtf is autocorrect ooga booga walk

[blazing shuttle]

So we couldn't do the full pull on the island

(I posted the route before the key started)

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt do that route

[broken marsh]

I don't pull the little guys in the back and chain into brisge

[lusty grotto]

but

if you want to

[blazing shuttle]

what would you do?

[lusty grotto]

you can just stagger little guys

and hope to christ your group knows that you will bait ravager

[raven light]

druid runs are post nerf, I would link more logs but most warriors dont upload logs
also hard to compare because druid runs are from 2 levels above but that should go against them

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T9KB3PbCxZcfQHYw?fight=11&type=damage-done best magister run with druid 141k
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yGP1kh2LT8fHMnp7?fight=2&type=damage-done best magister run with war 115k

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6LtPyR3xNkZg94zd?fight=23&type=damage-done one of the best from druid (best one is prenerf ) 134k
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z42vVkjTLWQcXxZm?fight=1&type=damage-done best one from war 100k

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t8pLVQcTbjGkBZN9?fight=2&type=damage-done best from druid 131k
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F8P6VRXAn2xCmGjB?fight=1&type=damage-done best from war 118k

[blazing shuttle]

Skip the last two echo knights?

[broken marsh]

no

sec ill ss mine

[blazing shuttle]

Yes please!

[lusty grotto]

why do you insist of using r1 keys when measuring dps

[coarse bay]

Whats the point of this?

[lusty grotto]

again im gonna go ahead an ask

how did the other tanks rank up

in mythic stats

without any dps buffs?

there's an answer to it, i promise you

[broken marsh]

bigger pulls = more dps

[heavy sparrow]

Ahh thanks nim I appreciate this. 1473 is how many hit attempts they were, and 1363 were blocked hits and 113 were backshots

[lofty warren]

Even with extra dps I still think pwar at thw bottom of dps

[coarse bay]

I dont think pally competes tbh

At least

[lusty grotto]

still hovering over the wrong thing

[broken marsh]

here

[blazing shuttle]

Taking notes, thanks.

Wait.

You do island AFTER bird boss?

What about the BL on bird boss?

[blazing shuttle]

Can you send me the link so I can check your notes too, please?

[broken marsh]

yea i dont bl on birdie

[blazing shuttle]

That's ballsy.

[raven light]

whats the point of comparing classes for anything else? anyone can do 10s-12s, balance matter when you go for the highest possible content

[broken marsh]

u can delay balls to make the no outgoing dmg phase last longer on crawth

[broken marsh]

dmed the import link

that looks right

[coarse bay]

Youre not even comparing similar key levels and comps

The one i looked at was a 100k dps difference for the whole group

And that means nothing

[coarse bay]

And routes, and times

And imo it doesnt matter

Idk if anybody here is running keys high enough to deplete to 20k less tank dps

Just saying

[lofty warren]

https://mythicstats.com/dps?dungeon=&period=1063 dont think this accounts for "extra dps through raid buffs".. and you see how low pwar is? Druid gives everyone dps increade and they also top regular damage

[heavy sparrow]

I got it now @lusty grotto

[coarse bay]

Ok?

[lofty warren]

Point is - pwar needs help 😭

[crystal turret]

Quick question: on wowhead, prot warrior bis doesn’t include any crafted gear. Does this mean max mythic gear is better than a crafted embellished item?

[raven light]

I'm arguing against the case that we are all close, wish is a lie

[coarse bay]

To the very vast majority of the playerbase, we are all close

[raven light]

for the vast majority of playerbase balance doesn't matter anyway

is to those going for the hightest content that does

[coarse bay]

We suggest icyveins, and bis lists arent useful compared to sims. We will general lean towards cloak and bracers for embellishments but there’s differing factors for everyone

[lofty warren]

Just checked. My brew is worse gear and is doing 20k more dps than pwar. I wonder if my 200 ilvl druid will be able to do more dps than my war

[coarse bay]

Skill issue

Youre simply making it sound worse than it is

[crystal turret]

TY Cam!

[raven light]

I guess pwars are 2 levels below than druids because we all suck

they are doing their 2 button rotation perfectly

[coarse bay]

Because all of the top tanks are playing druids

[lofty warren]

I checked and my pwar m+ is all like 95+ for damage

[coarse bay]

If more people played warrior, the stats would be different

[raven light]

more people were playing brews last week and still brews didnt do a 23 and druids did

[torn gulch]

you can't be serious

[coarse bay]

Youre looking at the very best players, who will play the best tank no matter how small the difference

[coarse bay]

We gained a lot of ilvl this week

[lusty grotto]

thats not what i meant, output wise we're comparable, but there's more variables in a 21 than people usually do not get:

• skill
• pug vs team
• group makeup
• talents
• kit (how much dps do you lose by kiting battle axes, for example)
• pull size
• goal (time it vs beat best time)

all of these factor in and none of them are uniquely responsible for a disparity in dps

[broken marsh]

sim ur character - for me crafted cape/bracers outperforms 289 myth bracers/cloak

[torn gulch]

you know how cooked m+ ranking are right these numbers mean nothing

[broken marsh]

ye m+ parse means fuck all xd

[lofty warren]

Bear doing like 50k more dps than pwar at keys 2 levels above pwar and ppl still saying its skill and comp sure those are factors but some pwar doing "pretty good" (like an 85 parse or something) will undeniably be doing less than bear in a comperable situation. Plus bear easy AF to play with moonfire spam

[lusty grotto]

yes that goes into kit

[broken marsh]

Both are easy, and comp/skill/comms make a huge difference

[lusty grotto]

what also goes into kit is how some classes can dps at range, how resource generation is achieved

[coarse bay]

Then play bear

[broken marsh]

Also it is ok for some tanks do be outdpsing others, prot warriors have excellent cc with several interupts and group peel

Trade offs for everything

[raven light]

that was way more important before this season

[lusty grotto]

pepega that was just bait, if you dont think team comp matters, what the fuck are r1s doing then

[lofty warren]

I would but child #4 coming soon so hot swapping now prob not worth

[lusty grotto]

everything matters

[broken marsh]

i mean, dps is rarely the problem nowadways, its surviving

[lofty warren]

Team comp ofc matters when did I say ot doesnt

[broken marsh]

especially in lower keys

[lusty grotto]

youre just coping in reverse

[lusty grotto]

right here

[broken marsh]

^

[raven light]

issue atm is the one with the most damage is the also the best at surviving and brings the best raid buff

[broken marsh]

A little disingenous to say that druid vers buff is the best raid buff lol

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt really say "best at surviving"

[raven light]

thats rage bait?

[broken marsh]

I think brew is still better at surviving

[lusty grotto]

so where is the comparable situation based on an aggregate site?

brew IS better at surviving yes

the only thing druid gained to survive was arcane leech, and that got nerfed this week

[lofty warren]

By comperable situation im saying "all other variables equal" - x is much different than y (x = pwar y = bear)

[broken marsh]

Attack power/dk grip/monk phys buff are normally better than vers buff lol, half the classes in the game dont even value vers

especially if you look at actual raid lol

[raven light]

jesus

[lofty warren]

Druid gained massive thrash damage and their theash damage affects their tankiness

[raven light]

gonna go walk the dog xD

[lofty warren]

Do more thrash = more tanky

[ivory barn]

So cussing in game is now just a suspension

[lusty grotto]

do you really thing leech helps out that much in high keys

one bad move and youre dead, how is leech gonna save you then?

you cannot heal if youre dead

massively over estimating the impact of it

[broken marsh]

well if its consistent output than yea leech is huge survivability

[lusty grotto]

look at the MDI time trials and test runs and tell me how that leech was helping the druid when they taste floor

[onyx hearth]

IMO colossus is way worse than thane in m+, at least I can't make it work like thane somehow

[lofty warren]

Thought it was leeach and some sort of aborb? Something like you get aborb through arcane damage and thrash deals arcane damage. So more thrash damage = more aborb.

[lusty grotto]

and the MDI tournament realm and test runs are on a 16

[ivory barn]

So don't use party chat to cuss someone out now, or you get suspended by blizzard

[broken marsh]

look at the mdi mistweaver/guardian druid run for PoS, leech was incredibly valuable

[lofty warren]

Bear was 100% top tank in mdi

[lusty grotto]

you thought wrong

read Elune's Favored

[broken marsh]

It is big leech tho

[lofty warren]

Well dont think it was really a question about bear tankiness.. it was more that they did like 40k dps more than all the other tanks plus had good team comp with mistw

[lusty grotto]

anyway that wasnt the point

Charmander said Bears were the most tanky

where is the defensive buff here?

where is the defensive buff in the hotfix nerf?

to which the answer is, it was only Elune's Favored, but is leech really gonna overtake brew as the most defensive?

the answer is no

it can overtake brew as the most sustainable, sure

not so much now but still

[broken marsh]

brew>druid>pwar>blood>vdh>ppal for tanky imo

[lofty warren]

I said more thrash damage = more tanky so as long as ur not at 100% hp an increase to thrash damage increases tankiness via self heal

[lusty grotto]

no, you thought wrong that it applied a "shield"

thats what i was calling wrong

an "absorb" to be specific

[lofty warren]

Ohh Idk exactly tanks relative tankiness but as long as they dont get rekt like ppal did before buffs it was more a question of how much dps the spec did + comp synergy

[lusty grotto]

thats beside the point

i was just clarifying that bears are not the "most tanky" tank

[lofty warren]

Brew did get tankiness nerfs that aren't unnoticeable so actually dont even know which is most tanky now

Ur saying brew still most tanky? I would probably agree that it's in the top tier of tankyiest tanks

[frosty mango]

Brew is always the tankiest when stagger is tuned to be effective

Because stagger is by far the strongest mitigation profile of any tank

[dusky canopy]

I have watched a brew go 100 to 0

[frosty mango]

Ya a shitty one

This isn’t a new thing, stagger has been a problem for tuning since its inception

[broken marsh]

this isnt exclusive to brew either xd

[frosty mango]

Anything that provides full coverage smoothing and has the gameplay rotation effectively perform a reverse heal (purify) will always outcompete any reactive mitigation

[broken marsh]

insert ppal vdh clips

[frosty mango]

So blizz always ruins monks

Name a season where brew was just decent

[lofty warren]

https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif

[frosty mango]

It’s either insane or it’s dogshit

Never in between

[lofty warren]

Same for bdk

[frosty mango]

Bdk has a different problem

Great at low end, eventually scales out due to speed of action execution (can’t click the button fast enough to recover)

Has also been a problem since its inception

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-gif-12136515515962044163

[lofty warren]

That and base armor not sure if they fixed it.. but in bfa I 100% remember starting pull in 20 lowish keys and basically getting 1 shot with white swing

[ivory barn]

That pally got back clapped

[frosty mango]

@lusty grotto reupped ff14 crafted gear is dirt cheap

The time is now

[lofty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1422220989739044904/getgeezled.gif

[ivory barn]

LOL

Not ngl, that happened to me in Nexus this season on the 1st boss. Didn't shield block the first 2 melees

[broken marsh]

u can spell reflect his autos

found that out a few days ago

[lusty grotto]

soon (TM)

[lusty grotto]

this log is malformed

its supposed to be seat?

and do you mean lura?

[true idol]

think its just not done processing

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's likely

might be a live log

[true idol]

but yeah some specificity on the question might help lol

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

can you provide more detail

[crisp ocean]

on the first pull of skyreach, different dungeon I had all defensive cooldowns

and still died

idk

[lusty grotto]

thats not what i asked

what do you want us to check on this log

be as specific as possible

[crisp ocean]

nvm

[ivory barn]

Were you in an AA and died to lasher bleed? Cause fuck those lasher dots

I take 5 and wall demo barely saves me

[stable night]

Can you roll chim mythic in prot loot spec to get rid of that poopoo trinket from pool?

[lusty grotto]

yup

and you should roll it as prot even if dps

because you take out the other trinket that way

[hazy crest]

in magisters, has anyone noticed that on the boss at the end of the long hallway (dude w/ silence dome) if you are targeted with his runic mark, and step into the silence zone with spell reflect up, you hear the reflect noise? Kind of an odd interaction.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we have had a number of reflects in the past that didn't appear to actually do anything despite making the sound

[lusty grotto]

its in the sheet

[hazy crest]

well then, I guess I should read that sheet

[broken marsh]

For mythic beloren are yall pressing spell reflect for the tank soak?

[lusty grotto]

sure, might as well get MDR

13 cd, no reason to think about it

[sharp dew]

What’s the haste number for perma block with 4stack ITF

[lusty grotto]

there is none

there is a swap mark

which is pinned

but that's not perma block with ITF

[sharp dew]

1188 damn that’s high

[lusty grotto]

and its still not "perma" block

its season 1, you shouldn't be surprised

[sharp dew]

True, majority of people in wf(pwarr wf) keys are still using itf so I was surprised, any gaps and gg

[lusty grotto]

you mean HR

"still using HR"

you dont use ITF until you have that haste mark

[crisp ocean]

if my weapon is 298 and I upgrade my shield since its 276 rn, do I get ilvl upgrade?

[lusty grotto]

no

[crisp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/franklin-saint-snowfall-kolt-angry-mad-gif-16990162099621677302

284.8

[lament osprey]

Why did you even

[fringe mural]

i'd still do it for the myth crest discount on your myth track shield should you get one

[ivory barn]

next week

[onyx hearth]

What is ITF?

[torn gulch]

Into the fray

talent node sharing with heavy reppercussions

[ivory barn]

pres evoker is so hit or miss

[ivory barn]

this is sadly about as clean as I can make this 🙁 trying to decide about the stacking and duration timer tho

[tribal wharf]

this is why i dont likestacking name plates

40 monsters spawn adnt hen you cant see the raid boss target

[autumn roost]

who is a not dumb prot warrior

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

sense

[autumn roost]

I am boosting a prot warrior because brew cant make it to raid

I'm thinking skyreach for my 8 coins to get prepped to tank mythic lura on tuesday

weapon + shield + 3 tier pieces

I can buy the BOE boots and chest

any thoughts?

[broken marsh]

seat goated

[autumn roost]

seat has no shield, has chest which overlaps with boe, has boots which overlaps with boe

[undone beacon]

The Solar Core igniter is alright defensively and the Solarflare prism is solid, Skyreach seems like a good choice if you’re gonna buy BOEs and jump straight in

Decent trinkets, shield and sword, tier slots, yeah

[autumn roost]

I have to level, prep, and learn warrior and go into Lura on our 4th raid day

and have 3 days to do it

almost ready for lura

[lusty grotto]

hit AA or skyreach like pash said

[autumn roost]

[undone beacon]

Luckily pwarr is straight chillin so it’ll be a gay ol time

[next knoll]

im relatively new to tanking in keys, is this a normal disparity in interrupts between tank vs dps?

[undone beacon]

[ivory barn]

well i said fuck lock, and went fury for a key lol

[next knoll]

idk if i should be annoyed theyre not doing more or not lmao

[undone beacon]

I would be annoyed that the DKs together had less kicks than the surv

[next knoll]

idk why theres a frost dk at the bottom...there wasnt a frost dk. must be a bug w the meter

[woven trellis]

i was just looking at top 100 rio tanks

only brew and druid and in the middle there is one prot warrior

named cps

what a chad

[ivory barn]

@undone beacon would you flip the duration/stacks on the debuffs?

[next knoll]

thats confusing as shit lol

[woven trellis]

u need to go down to 389 to find anything else than a brew or druid again and its a paladin

whos that cps

[ivory barn]

how?

[next knoll]

bc i try not to stare at my CDs and it makes it hard to try to glance at it and see what is what

but i may be dumb

[undone beacon]

Not really much in terms of stacks to track so, it’s fine

[ivory barn]

2thats target debuffs 🙂

[next knoll]

ah

[sharp gale]

If you used the mass kick a lot, kinda, but here some of them just didn’t try

[next knoll]

makes sense

[sharp gale]

What pull was it ? It says 2min11 above, how tf can you do that many kicks in 2 min

[ivory barn]

challenging shout maybe 🙂

[sharp gale]

I said it 2 message above

It’s just, which pulls requires 46 kicks

[next knoll]

i got no idea why tf it says 2:11 maybe this meter is just fucked lol

thats the whole dungeon though not a single pull

[ivory barn]

the 2:11 is prolly the last pull

[next knoll]

ah ya prob

[ivory barn]

im over here blowing up keys as slayer fury

[frosty mango]

How is it? Was gonna try it

Thane feels so good though

[ivory barn]

different dmg profile definitely is way less forgiving if you fuck it up

[lusty grotto]

fury lmao

[ivory barn]

probably playing the entirely, wrong build but its fun so idc

[lusty grotto]

same dungeon

arms owns

[ivory barn]

i pvp as arms lol

[lusty grotto]

fury stinks

[cerulean tusk]

Arms "owns" Rat says, as Rat is doing ilvl 270 DPS in a 290 world

K

[lusty grotto]

hey man

my brother is learning tanking

he does babby pulls

[cerulean tusk]

Tell him that he is all bark and no talk. He is mangling the performance, that he is bearly trying... Trash, I say. Trash!

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

I’ve ripped 200k on both but there’s something so satisfying about cleave spam that makes it hard to beat

[ivory barn]

i peaked 600k on slayer fury, but it took 6 globals

[cerulean tusk]

Meanwhile my 270 Havoc peaks around 1.5 million

[ivory barn]

thane peak was 850k or so, but that was an AA

Prot was... Well we don't talk about that

I need to start logging keys

[next knoll]

when pulling in NPX, how do you handle seers? do you have to make sure theyre dead before pulling next?

even if its the only mob?

[lusty grotto]

just dont pull them

they patrol

except for one, one of them you cannot avoid

and if you do pull them, do not take them for a walk or anywhere near close inactive bomb s

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-bird-explosion-burst-pas-moi-gif-3871740515834623393

[next knoll]

oh well im a god damn idiot

[vocal junco]

I’m in the 16-17 trenches. One does not simply avoid a patrol

[young kindle]

For M+, should I focus on haste/crit or haste/vers -- generally .. 🙂

[lusty grotto]

haste + whatever sims best

[young kindle]

well, for survivability .. i am getting rip apart regularly

[lusty grotto]

for survivability, yes

haste + whatever sims best

[young kindle]

i thought, sims is only for offensive

[lusty grotto]

any gain that the sim gives you, is a gain in defensiveness

secondaries are both offensive and defensive

while the sim outputs dps, gaining dps from a secondary means you gain the defensive portion as well

[young kindle]

i see. thanks mate.

i am in the 16/17 bracket, and it hurtssssss compare to guardian

[lusty grotto]

youre more likely to be making mistakes than a difference in stats

[wanton void]

What is the strat for fiery talon stacks in 15+ keys?

In skyhold

[lusty grotto]

stun and back off

or piercing howl and back off

then go right in

repeat ad-nauseum

[wanton void]

Ok, ya I was doing that but didn't seem to have enough stuns to stop a ton of stacks by myself

[lusty grotto]

it resets extremely fast

the amount of stacks do not matter

it's also parryable

[compact silo]

so a route skips these two, but then you're one hostage short. is that normal? am i missing something

[lusty grotto]

so i hope youre not sleeping on crit

[compact silo]

i usually pull them in but i know it can get hectic with extra kicks

[wanton void]

My crit is 713 right now

[lusty grotto]

if this is from keystone.guru, sometimes the routes get fucky and it tags mobs out of place

[compact silo]

yes it is

[lusty grotto]

so for example if you see a pull like this, make sure you identify which mobs are named the same, and are seemingly out of place or dont make sense, and just unmark them and then mark the ones that do make sense

[wanton void]

Should I be able have enough stuns on my own to handle fiery talons, or is the group supposed to help?

[lusty grotto]

you have shockwave and storm bolts which is aoe storm bolt

and you can talent piercing howl

the group can help, but you can mostly handle it on your own

[wanton void]

Ok, maybe I'm not spacing them out enough?

[lusty grotto]

make sure youre talenting howl and rumbling earth

and of course storm bolts (not storm shield)

[wanton void]

I have rumbling earth, and storm bolts, but right now I don't have piercing howl, I have fearless but for that dungeon I guess I switch that to howl?

[lusty grotto]

even without those, TC slow should be enough for you to backpedal to avoid melees or strafe while keeping them in a blockable angle out of range

[wanton void]

Ok

[lusty grotto]

there's nothing to fearless in that dungeon

[jagged pier]

i mean theres like 1 fearless over all dungeons tbh

[mental scarab]

How many % dmg does your ravager do in keys? noticed today it does like 3%dmg

[lusty grotto]

that sounds about right

[mental scarab]

We use that for treath/and rage gain I guess

Didn’t it do more dmg in the past?

[lusty grotto]

rage yeah, but 3% isnt exactly nothign

[mental scarab]

Or did I dream that

[lusty grotto]

not even close to nothing, its significant

[mental scarab]

Still feels small

Won’t big damuch from all spells

[wooden spruce]

3% is like 3 inches, its huge

[mental scarab]

@wooden spruce this is true

[lusty grotto]

ravager has been consistently 3 to 5% overall

throughout the expansions

[mental scarab]

@lusty grotto I see

[lusty grotto]

whatever you feel like it did before, is false

[mental scarab]

Stop destroying my dreams

[lusty grotto]

3 to 5% of an overall dungeon is big

[mental scarab]

Mkay

[wooden spruce]

today i did my first 2 15 with my pwarr, oh god nexus was a pain, meanwhile magister was a walk in the park

problem is, im just 275 today, have 19% haste and 9% vers because loot hasnt been fair :v

and my trinkets? puzzle and solar

[lusty grotto]

why does vers matter

i have 4%

[wooden spruce]

oh i dont want vers but all the gear i got has vers

[jagged pier]

i have 2

[lusty grotto]

well yeah there's quite a few pieces with high haste

[wooden spruce]

im farming those

slow but steady

[lusty grotto]

high haste with versa, i meant

not a big deal

just play HR

[mental scarab]

@wooden spruce can’t lose SB with HR never gonna change that

[wooden spruce]

but after testing my pwarr, pally and bdk i gotta say, we need a bit of defensive buffs, taking ppally out of the equation, when i did nexus 15 with le dk i was 267 and never struggled and now they're more op, im pushing 18s now

warr is more fun

maybe im bad at warr (main since vanilla :v)

[lusty grotto]

ive been playing since vanilla too

and i disagree

[wooden spruce]

that im bad at warr? hehe

[lusty grotto]

that we need buffs

[wooden spruce]

ah

then im bad at warr

[mental scarab]

@lusty grotto won’t the old AM back feels slow now

[wooden spruce]

i miss SL/tww s1 warr apm, was fun

im feeling slower now

[lusty grotto]

it will get better as seasons go by and our haste gets bigger

[wooden spruce]

bigger its not always better unless you play warrior

[mental scarab]

Still the amount of spells I need to push before avatar is back is not right according to my brain makes my autism go bonk

[lusty grotto]

we're in s1

yes AM was nerfed

but every season 1

we come out of a final season where we're full of haste

[mental scarab]

Yea but this is the first time I noticed it

[lusty grotto]

it happens every time

[mental scarab]

Well yeas

And btw @lusty grotto the ring set from nexus, have M/hero set of it. Is it the spell we get from it that makes it good?

[wooden spruce]

nim, you play other tanks aside from pwarr?

[lusty grotto]

yeah sure, its a good cantrip to have and has good stats

[lusty grotto]

all of them are 90

i dont push on all of them but

they're all 90

[wooden spruce]

whats your opinion on the other plate tanks?

[mental scarab]

🫡👍🏻

[lusty grotto]

i dont play prot pally, i fucking hate the playstyle

doesnt matter the expansion

my pally is perma Holy and Ret

[wooden spruce]

and bdk?

[lusty grotto]

and i dont care too much about BDK

not my thing

[wooden spruce]

ah

im asking because of something dumb

[lusty grotto]

i prefer preventative tanks, not reactive ones that are gcd locked

or that can be gcd locked

[wooden spruce]

with bdk i never have issues pushing, its almost easy to the point it always gets boring every season

meanwhile warr is insanly fun for me because of apm, zug zug style and spells visuals, but im kinda struggling since tww last season and now pushing

dunno, probably its real life stuff getting into me

all my biggest bad break points irl happened when i was maining my warr, maybe thats why i struggle sometimes

[mental scarab]

@wooden spruce well I’m not bad or prty good, prot war is the most fun tank to play. It’s easy to play and hard to master, we don’t have any OH SHET button when we make mistakes like the other tanks

[wooden spruce]

yeah
sorry for venting, today was a hard day/week and kinda went here after having a beer and vented

i'll keep pushing with my warr as i love it, but thank you guys

[lusty grotto]

the past is the past, you cant change it, the best you can do with it is letting it go and learn from any mistakes

just remember that this is a game too

[wooden spruce]

i know, i know
still, thanks

zug zug

[lunar flare]

Do you know whether spell reflect works to reduce the damage? Does fire count as magic?

[lusty grotto]

yes it does

but you never want to sit with stacks when its so easy to just have them fade

[lunar flare]

Bird boss doesn’t stack the dot does it?

[lusty grotto]

no

i thought you were talking about fiery talons

but yeah it works with the bird boss fire dot

[lunar flare]

Ye I always run those out

Thanks my favourite neighbourhood rat

https://tenor.com/view/forg-meme-gif-1176255550185835200

[fringe mural]

since you don't do dm's @lusty grotto , i just wanted to say my intention yesterday wasn't to call you arrogant, it just sometimes gives the impression what you find difficult or challenging is what others have to find challenging too or what you deem easy can't be hard for others

if i came across rude i'm sorry

you're helping a lot of folks here

[cerulean tusk]

Always double down, rat can handle it

[fringe mural]

He might, he doesn't have to though

the 1/4 apex people are bad enough already

does pumps update his guardian guides on wowhead for the patches?

last updated was pretty long ago, even on the talent page

or is wowhead just showing an update when you change the actual text

[jagged pier]

pretty sure even the bears are saying the wowhead guide is outof date

[fringe mural]

ty, so where do i grab the talents then, iv? Archon top logs?

[cerulean tusk]

WoWhead is dead, IcyVeins has returned

[jagged pier]

go to DG and ask

[fringe mural]

It scares me

[jagged pier]

or ask pash

[fringe mural]

i don't want to go to that furry place

[fringe mural]

Pash's probably sleeping so he's getting even more beautiful tomorrow

[jagged pier]

just ask kelebrindal in DG

they can be trusted

[fringe mural]

okay ty

[cerulean tusk]

Why no ask Jakey?

[fringe mural]

he can't be trusted

he even spells bear wrong

[jagged pier]

i also dont know bear

[fringe mural]

or are you german

Because it's baer = bär for us

[cerulean tusk]

If it aint spelt bjørn, it is spelt wrong

[jagged pier]

no im not german

[fringe mural]

So where is the baer from? Are you a male bae?

a bae-r

or is that some sort of dyslexia joke like hutner

[jagged pier]

maybe it was just a miss type because im mid key

[silent comet]

@jagged pier I hear you're a knower of things

[fringe mural]

haha

[jagged pier]

[fringe mural]

Well seeing both of your tags now

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[jagged pier]

[charred ivy]

is heart of wind and solarflare prism solid m+ options for mplus?

[jagged pier]

they are ok, but the hc raid trinkets are still better

[fringe mural]

hc alnseer is better than myth m+ trinkets?

[jagged pier]

yes

st and 5 targets

like if u at the myth version of prism and heart they inline with hc versions of the others

dont worry next season our best trinket if it stays the same will be from m+

at least this isnt as bad as casters

this on me shammy is outsimming 298 trinkets

[fringe mural]

You mean the nalorakk one?

[jagged pier]

ye

[fringe mural]

Lolwhat

because mastery boosts ascendance so much?

[jagged pier]

apprently theres a cap but it keeps putting it ahead of verything else i have

[fringe mural]

oof

Which bar is warrior in that overview?

[jagged pier]

DOING THIS EVERY 2 MIN IS FUN THO

soz caps

[fringe mural]

nice

i'm still a little torn on whether to play elemental or enhancer

[jagged pier]

i only ele

[maiden nimbus]

Any tips for gathering that first big pull in m+ and managing damage? Like in a Skyreach or AA?

Aside from not getting hit in the back, I usually pop a shield wall pretty early on while I’m picking up all the mobs and don’t have them all together yet. Then strafe and do my rotation while I pick up the rest of the mobs. Then CDs/demo shout once they are all grouped up.

Usually my health bar gets pretty low until everything is grouped up and stabilized. Have had a few close calls during that first pull gather in a lot of dungeons and wondering if I’m doing something wrong.

I wonder if it’s better to use my mobility like leap to get distance and pick up everything faster, but I worry I’ll range my healer.

Just trying to manage the incoming damage on the first pull of a dungeon.

[coarse bay]

You’ll usually want to use your mobility to gather quicker and easier, also try to stick to outside of packs instead of running through, you might be getting backshot

Usually for me its first pack get SB up, then it’s charging/leaping to each pack while getting some aggro before moving on, usually a single gcd is enough for gather

[maiden nimbus]

Got it Ty! That makes a lot of sense and different than what I’m doing. I’ll try that next time and see if it feels different.

Do you get SB up w rage on the first pull or thru shield charging the first pack?

[coarse bay]

Charge clap i think?

Or if u need all your charges and leap u can just walk up to first pack and get the rage natty

SC does work too, there’s lots of ways to do it. You can try watching some vods of people like sense or topicx

[fringe mural]

i saw a topicx video i think about that pull

he said the easiest way is to wait for the wasp patrol to fly away and then run to the boss

And pull the big lashers with heroic throw

and wait for all three groups to come to him

keeps him from getting hit in the back and helps with the green puddles because they come at a similar time

[maiden nimbus]

Sounds good thanks all appreciate it

[daring marlin]

shame it's noodle damage outside it!!!!!!

[strong forum]

Okay but

Spin 24/7 is better

[daring marlin]

true

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/diablo-barbarian-slow-whirlwind-diablo4-gif-5104402565679479738

[jagged pier]

its not too bad if u get tempest p[rocs

but other wise yes its sad

[wheat oriole]

New prot warrior here. Is there a tank resource that goes over each m+ dungeon and raid bosses giving easy to understand brief guides/tips+tricks

[crisp ocean]

topicx

[wheat oriole]

Wgats that

[crisp ocean]

youtuber

[autumn roost]

Ok am I crazy or is raiding as prot stupid easy

I'm trying to find the complexity here and I'm not able to

Is there a prot warrior who has killed lura here? The maxroll says you can deflect star splinters. If I'm holding a seed, do I even need to drop it if I have spell reflect up?

[jagged pier]

from the look of sense he take damage from star splinters

but not much

so maybe u can deflect some not all

[orchid mural]

woot resil 18! i won the lottery of ppl willing to invite brown tanks over green and orange

[autumn roost]

Ok thanks

[frosty mango]

Raiding as any tank is mechanically easy

[autumn roost]

I need a yap emote

Ok you have one here

[dusky canopy]

Bustin out the shield 😎

[ivory barn]

gottagofast

[tribal wharf]

i hope that addon gets fixed

this is the one im used to

but with less options turned on

[onyx hearth]

Gaze is a crazy trinket, but iam not lucky, did it like 5 times and didn't even drop to roll for it

[autumn roost]

Our warrior keeps calling out

[radiant pecan]

for prot warrior should my delve valeera be dps or heal

[opaque snow]

what do you need MORE of

she does decent dps as heal anyways

[fringe mural]

If you're confident go for dps val

[toxic pewter]

def dps imo

[fringe mural]

She deals way more dps as dps

what's even better is double dps

you need to impending victory a lot, but you just run through the mobs

[radiant pecan]

i am spiritually unable to play wow without a sword and shield tho

[fringe mural]

Then go for dps valeera

Pull as much as you can

grudge pit is the most fun as tank

You just pull the entire arena and let valeera kill it all

the only thing that hurts are the 3 hound packs

[dusky canopy]

Pure coincidence that it’s twice in 7 days

[autumn roost]

-# on lura

[dusky canopy]

I know the timing sucks I hate it too lol

Could be my first ever HoF kill

But nope wife wants to camp

Wife >> video game wcyd

[frosty mango]

Get divorced obviously

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-gif-12136515515962044163

Valeera and DPS she just fucks shit up

It's funny to watch

It's fun as tank to pull the limit of what you can and just watch it all die

[mortal vale]

Can you still Block and parry while using Puzzle Box?

[toxic gyro]

No

[cerulean tusk]

what about jumping?

[fringe mural]

What jumping while solving the puzzle?

[cerulean tusk]

Sure

[fringe mural]

Why would you do this

[cerulean tusk]

Why wouldnt I?

[fringe mural]

because of adhd?

MUST PRESS BUTTONS

[cerulean tusk]

If you play nelf, you jump, or you not a human being

[fringe mural]

okay true

i remember jumping a lot as nelf

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arnold-schwarzenegger-predator-pHb82xtBPfqEg

[fringe mural]

and hoping for the jump to turn into a pirouette

that subtle enjoyment if he spins

It's still random right?

[cerulean tusk]

50% of the time, the flip happens every time

[shrewd cosmos]

Why would you need puzzle box. I see many ppl mention this trinket.

Is it any good ?

[frosty mango]

It can be, depending on the situation

There are other better choices for prot tho

Assuming same item level both heart of ancient hunger and plume are equal or better without having a janky on use cast

[shrewd cosmos]

I am with heart and gaze but I just wander

[frosty mango]

If you are doing something that requires huge up front burst, it can be a good choice

[shrewd cosmos]

Thanks I thought the same

[mortal vale]

I used an extra roll and i got the Mythic Puzzle box which was better than my Champ trinket

[heavy sparrow]

Even ADHD can't keep up with 70+ casts per min

[ivory barn]

I had to bind jump to not space bar for an expansion to stop jumping lol

[heavy sparrow]

What do you have jump and your space bar bound to?

[ivory barn]

Jump was Shift+Space and space at the time on my warlock turned into chaos bolt

[jagged pier]

to space

i need somthing spam

u spam jump when stood still

on any melee

[fringe mural]

i strafe left and right

a is strafe left and d is strafe left

no one turns with keys anyways

[pine storm]

There's a "lucky horseshoe" type of embelishment item (does not count as an embelishment) you can put in crafted gear that makes special jump animations happen 100% of the time.
My DH flips every time now

[fringe mural]

uuuuuh

[glacial ridge]

Lucky Keychain embellishment

[valid edge]

what the most ideal dds for prot + shami heal duo? Feral / monk / unholy?

[torn gulch]

isn't there a rogue in that comp?

or even a retri?

[valid edge]

yeah that the question, what is the most optimal draft on paper

[torn gulch]

prob prot/restosham/feral/windwalker/sub?

or something similar to this

I think cps runs with this comp

[valid edge]

i think prot/rsham/feral/ww are safe. Last pick is flex

maybe evoker

[torn gulch]

yes in that last slot i've seen retri or unholy

[valid edge]

unholy just fore pure dps and second BR

[dense trellis]

is there a haste DR i should be looking out for?

swapping to prot for m+

[orchid mural]

surv instead of rogue

[torn gulch]

you need to be mindfull of the around 1200 rating for HR to ITF changing
you re not really reaching any deep dr's in haste this season so as much as you can get

[dry trellis]

feral and ww are tissue papers, shamy wont save them all
prot/rsham/dk/ret/(anyone you want actually)

[orchid mural]

surv. tanky as hell, tranq, feign death, turtle, great prio. ppl sleeping on this spec

[valid edge]

Good Point there

[dry trellis]

btw, for high keys you will probably want to play with mist
You are literally cant die with him, even with ridiculous cocoon/SW/anti-cheat overlap

[torn gulch]

yea if you want monk you want mist not windwalker tbh

the problem is if the shaman windfury is ireplaceable

[dry trellis]

from a different point of view, all classes with bl-are water papers, and no one will convince me otherwise

[fringe mural]

to the left to the left

[crisp ocean]

if my myth crests are max, can I get extra crests?

[true idol]

youll get hero instead

[fringe mural]

have you killed nullaeus?

first kill gives 30 uncapped crests

[crisp ocean]

nop

[crisp ocean]

whos that

[warm plinth]

The delve nemesis

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/delves-season-1-nemesis-boss-nulleaus

[torn gulch]

30 myth crests from first kill of ?? Nullaeus and 20 myth crests from the tier 11 bountiful quest that needs one m+

[onyx hearth]

Heart of Wind or Solarflare Prism?

[harsh trellis]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BGEg-sMIEmY&si=VCNWo624yWrTynRF

Great video

[lusty lantern]

Is there a site like ‘wow analyzer’ that works for prot warrior?

When I tried to use it for my logs today, it said it isn’t up to date and not recommended to use for this spec or something like that

[mortal vale]

When does block mitigation take place? For non critical blocks, my combat look says “X hit you for 10k damage (20k blocked).

[lusty lantern]

Also, realistically, at ilvl 240-245, what level mythic should I aim for?

[fluid widget]

You can do 10s fine if you use your defensives well and pull accordingly

[lusty lantern]

Oh wow. Ok

[jagged pier]

Us in here

[warm plinth]

All damage reductions happen at the same time (so armor and defensive cooldowns), then blocking, then total absorbs in order from largest to smallest, then partial absorbs in order from largest to smallest.

[vestal drift]

is there a way that i can create a macro that casts another skill everytime i use a diffrent one? I would like to cast ignore pain every time I shield slam

[harsh trellis]

Noooo

No

[warm plinth]

You might like to do that, but you absolutely should not do that.

Ignore Pain is a rage dump and should be used at 70+ rage. Dumping rage on Ignore Pain every time you Shield Slam will both reduce the number of Revenges you can cast and potentially use rage that needed to be used for Shield Block.

[frosty mango]

Not potentially, it definitely will do this

It will 100% lead to shield block falling off and you gettin clapped

[warm plinth]

I said potentially because you don't need to use Shield Block every time you Shield Slam. But yes, it is inevitable that it will happen eventually.

[wanton void]

This seems to not be fully consistent with the icy veins rotation guide, which would be better to follow?

Is it true in every case you'd want to alternate between TB/TC and shield slam?

[warm plinth]

What is different?

You can't always alternate between TB/TC and Shield Slam. That's only guaranteed during Avatar.

[lusty lantern]

Ok!!
Thank you!
Im Fràtz.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8fpcazdVhPCJKvZ7?fight=last
Sure I parsed good on damage for my ilvl.. but I want to know how I REALLY did.

[lusty grotto]

CPM is good on an ST fight
but you did take 3 unblocked hits, make sure you keep SB up
rage consumption seems decent

good marks all around

[chrome bluff]

Can anyone tell me what this black thing is below some of my action bar buttons?

[lusty grotto]

type /fstack and hover over it, the last line should mention which addon is creating it, other than that no idea

type /fstack again to turn it off

[lusty lantern]

What’s CPM?

[lusty grotto]

casts per minute

[lusty lantern]

Ohhhh

Yeah warriors definitely has me smashing the buttons lol

Thanks

I use heavy repercussion instead of into the fray.

1. Because I’m only ilvl 240ish.
   And need the extra uptime it grants.
   And
2. I want to try to have 100% uptime even if I’m not tanking, cause doesn’t it make shield slam do more damage? (Having SB actions that is)

Is it possible to hit 100% uptime with into the fray or whatever it’s called? How high would my haste need to be?

[lusty grotto]

no

but in raid you dont really need to keep it up

[lusty lantern]

Does the haste gain from ItF grant more dps than HR, provided we lose damage from SS not hitting as hard when SB isn’t up

[torn gulch]

you have to change the font of that 2

that specific font is borked

[lusty grotto]

yes

unless youre on dragons and turbo split

you want to run ITF

and just let SB refresh when youre not actively tanking

i.e. its fine to wait 1 or 2 seconds, you wont lose a lot of pure SS dps

its not just dps, its a combination of things

more haste is faster SB cds which is the important part, faster autos, faster gcds, faster TC cd

youre doing fine with HR, i wouldn't worry about it until more difficult content

[lusty lantern]

OK man! Thanks!!

[harsh trellis]

I have a question regarding Demo shout, I was looking over tooltips for demo shout. I missed the 25 Dmg increase

Is that 25% dmg increase granted from something else related to demo shout