Timewalking/normal have tighter timers than M+ 
#protection
undone beacon
plush tendon
being like 'ok mage, poly moon, rogue sap square and Ill LoS behind this pillar'
undone beacon
People are fucking rabid in that content
smoky pollen
Real animals for sure
plush tendon
the worst social interaction you can get in retail is solo shuffle
coarse bay
My fyrak runs last expac were always lively
undone beacon
I jumped into a TW on my warr to get the free badges and before I even load in the evoker is going "big pulls fast please" and is halfway across the room pulling shit
plush tendon
that shit is straight toxic AF
smoky pollen
What if I just start holding people hostage 
undone beacon
In that moment i was tempted to slow roll it out of spite but i didnt 
plush tendon
In that moment i was tempted to slow roll it out of spite but i didnt <:peepo:93...
just say your a new player and please be nice to me UwU
undone beacon
Just pulled the entire opening of everbloom to the first boss and was rewarded with a "i love this tank"
and then conversation about subway for some reason
I gotta decide if i spend my timewalking badges on this staff ive wanted for a while
or if i save for the BFA timewalking mount
undone beacon
ivory barn
Bruh I need five more void cores, I’m so exhausted
T11 bounty delve w/ key ez 
plush tendon
Im not rushing it
Ive gotten 5 this week, filled vault
Ill get the rest next reset
ivory barn
I've gotten 1 so far
plush tendon
ivory barn
Guildy was mad I used it on prot 
plush tendon
we ran the first 3 on mythic and heroic last night
was a easy way to get 6 voidscores in under a hour
ivory barn
I wish they woulda given void cores to the people that raided heroic Tuesday
plush tendon
wouldve been nice
instead, like 4-5 people in my guild slammed void ritual sites
for hours
actual degens
undone beacon
I got my three items on priest upgraded relatively fast so im not stressing
Now i have leftover shards and nothing to spend em on
plush tendon
Love tokens
undone beacon
Big token gaming
plush tendon
same; my paladin has a stock pile
but i cant bring myself to just afk run nexus point 8 times on him
but now that my DK and War both have Myth Gaze, I can start bringing my Pal/DH to Myth Chim reclear
get them their gazes
coarse bay
Ya i just cant decide what to spend on so i dont
I need gaze on mage and warrior still
undone beacon
I'm holding my rerolls on priest for alleria neck, last thing i need to be full mythed out
coarse bay
Warrior has good sword, shield, and both nexus rings so i guess i go get pit neck or something
undone beacon
Then its just crest grinding
ivory barn
Have 6+ on every character i need to spend
Free bonus roll
undone beacon
Salhadaar neck is in my vault and im torn between taking that as a stopgap or taking a socket
Socket is prob the better long term investment but also big crit neck is juice in keys
coarse bay
Sockets are so good
undone beacon
spreist loves crit now
i wanted to queue into crown story mode to test stuff in my ui but i dont have it unlocked on the priest
dumb game
lament osprey
T11 bounty delve w/ key ez <a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
Already did both trinket and weapon, completely forgot shield
plush tendon
Salhadaar neck is in my vault and im torn between taking that as a stopgap or ta...
prob biggest upgrade?
yall working on Myth Crown right now right?
undone beacon
Yeah we're on crown prog
Long term getting alleria neck + socket is ideal but idk if its a kill this week
oak ivy
we killed last week, were pushing around 50-45
undone beacon
We're like 15 pulls in, we're still getting p1 down lol
We've seen p2 maybe twice?
Best pull was 74% by end of first platform
plush tendon
you should be eating good in P1 as a shadow priest
undone beacon
Now that I've explained to my raid lead that my positioning is different than the rest of the ranged, yeah lol
plush tendon
yea, me and the shadow priest in my guild were on our own little solo missions
undone beacon
I got called out for not moving on the outer edge with the rest of the ranged and I decided it wasnt worth trading blows mid raid, so i explained after the night was up and now he's chill about it
warm plinth
I got called out for not moving on the outer edge with the rest of the ranged an...
Does he even know who you are? THE picmixer extraordinaire?
undone beacon
Damn straight
I'm also finally setting up real unit frames and mouseover macros
because swinging my camera around to make sure all three dudes are dotted is dumb
plush tendon
we killed last week, were pushing around 50-45
I feel like that still super high; on own kill pull pre nerf, we got her to 41%
with the nerfs I imagined most guilds would be getting her to sub 40%
when did you guys phase into P3? What time stamp?
Im just curious as Im excited to do this boss on reclear with the stacking damage buff and nerfs once we kill Lura
and see how fast she falls over XD
oak ivy
We griefed hard on silver arrows so we pushed high all the time
had infinite time to spare on last platform though she was like 4% when we set foot
plush tendon
oh nice
not even close then
its actually quite a easy fight to prog
as long as you arent turbo wiping in P1 or losing people to nonsense in the intermissions/p2
drowsy comet
lofty warren
Thoughts on this interrupt macro?
lofty warren
Did the image not show up?
/clearfocus [mod:shift]
/focus [mod:alt,@mouseover]
/tm [mod:alt,@mouseover]0
/use [nomod,@focus,harm]SPELL
/stopmacro [mod][@focus,exists,harm]
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/use SPELL
/targetlasttarget
/startattack```
tame blaze
is this not just going to kick some random bullshit
smoky pollen
It should
dry trellis
DEMOLISH THEM ALL
lofty warren
DEMOLISH THEM ALL
what you use for interrupts?
dry trellis
<:okayge:917646812519739433> what you use for interrupts?
Pummel
lofty warren
Yes and how do you make it so pummel goes on the thing you want it to
dry trellis
Yes and how do you make it so pummel goes on the thing you want it to
focus+pummel macro on focus
unkempt pebble
#showtooltip Pummel
/cast [@focus, harm, exists][@target] Pummel
If no focus target alive it goes to target
somber trench
Sims is telling me to use crafted ring and myth npx mastery trinket, and is telling me to ditch purloin ring
is that normal??
i thought mastery is a bad stat for us
unkempt pebble
/cast [@focus,exists, nodead,harm] KICKNAME
/stopmacro [@focus, exists, nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast KICKNAME
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack```Naowh posted this as well
Swaps to caster and interrupts if no focus
lofty warren
Sims is telling me to use crafted ring and myth npx mastery trinket, and is tell...
I asked same thing and got this response.
Basically haste still king due to defensive value or somethjng
undone beacon
i thought mastery is a bad stat for us
Mastery is not a bad stat, but you want haste on every piece you can get it on
Also what NPX mastery trinket?
Unless you mean mastery ring
Which is still a good ring for us because its primary haste
If you have a lot of crit, mastery and vers will start to sim higher
lofty warren
Also what NPX mastery trinket?
floral zenith
What’s the go to protection warrior on YouTube to follow ? I need some more content
undone beacon
Sense has good raid PoVs, topicx does big prot keys
floral zenith
Topicx is the goat, I want to be like him when i grow up
edgy jacinth
i had someone rip on me for using dps trinks, im using heart of wind and solarflare prism are these bad picks?
undone beacon
Those are fine trinkets
plush tendon
the next best trinkets are Gaze, Heart of Mount, and Plume
undone beacon
If you dont raid theyre basically the best you're gonna get
plush tendon
which are all stat increases like Heart of Wind/Solarflare
if someone rips on you for using stat trinkets as a tank, you can safley ignore them
lofty warren
Well idk its a trink from nexus..here is a nexus ring with mastery
edgy jacinth
okay thank you i thought i was going crazy
plush tendon
there isnt even a tank trinket this tier thats like 'debatable strong'
except for some super niche cases
lofty warren
Skyreach tank one?
plush tendon
is anyone actually running it?
maybe dreadscale has some use cases, but if you got a dreadscale, you prob have a gaze
or even heart of mountain
edgy jacinth
is the ring set from seat worth using for the avoidance?
somber trench
Unless you mean mastery ring
sry ye ring
undone beacon
Its a good ring, and mastery is not a bad stat
A fair amount of people gun for the NPX ring set, they both have haste and its a free cantrip with both
plush tendon
yea, mastery has been simming super high for me
curious if us taking tough as nails has increased its dps value
since we get double damage from that when we get a crit block
undone beacon
Sims dont really handle TaN well so im not sure
plush tendon
must be a Nim question
undone beacon
I think the actor only hits our character once every like, second?
Brand also underperformed in sims and overperformed in reality iirc
plush tendon
Brand from Aimdrissil?
undone beacon
Brand of Ceaseless Ire from last season
plush tendon
ah
didnt that have a ramp time though?
usually sims dont account for ramp time well
or if you maintain stacks for a long period of time
regardless, this is the first season when simming my war, mastery is like equal to crit in terms of dps gains
undone beacon
It had a ramp time and it was based on being hit so it simmed a bit wonky
undone beacon
I think with the stat squish we're getting to values where other stats are more valuable faster
plush tendon
also, its actually super hard to get vers
rocking alleria neck, going for nexus point rings
other then my crafted pieces and the glove from seat, I aint getting vers from anywhere XD
undone beacon
time to use vers flask buddy
reenchant your gear
get vers gems
you need at least 20% vers to do a 16
Also it looks like the new sauce for high keys as shadow is swapping to manual SWP application 
mortal vale
Anyone know the formula for damage taken /rage gained? Does this take effect pre mitigation?
plush tendon
I ain't targeting vers persay; I think with my current gear allocation, vers is simming quick high for me now
just sort of commenting on the general lack of vers even avaialable with current gearing
mighty valley
Anyone know the formula for damage taken /rage gained? Does this take effect pr...
Flat 3 rage whenever you're hit, capped out at once per second
plush tendon
Power supply dust! Don't breathe that.
undone beacon
Power supply dust! Don't breathe that.
mighty valley
Basically, so long as you're getting hit, rage gain is the same -- doesn't matter if you're getting tickled or stomped
tribal wharf
that psu comes from year 2000, or 2004
and it still functions to my knowledge
400w
i can use it for extremely basic builds
warm plinth
Power supply dust! Don't breathe that.
Peak will it blend reference
ivory barn
that psu comes from year 2000, or 2004
Bruh, at least take it outside and clean it off!
harsh trellis
Power supply dust! Don't breathe that.
where did you find that
daring marlin
ancient psu but
speaking of I had to buy a new PSU yesterday
glad it was that and nothing major lmao
mighty valley
quick, steal the bank accounts
harsh trellis
thats funny, I have the same password
glass crescent
mighty valley
looked like a solid password, good job
i'm gonna send a positive report to your boss
tribal wharf
its literal from/for a d/f tier pc
shut marsh
when should we be using spell reflect during paladins
ivory barn
plush tendon
when should we be using spell reflect during paladins
use it to negate the damage from SoTR
it also does damage back to her
lusty grotto
when should we be using spell reflect during paladins
every time you taunt swap
lament osprey
Is the spell reflect guide up to date?
lusty grotto
yup
raven light
its a bit early in the week but there are dks, paladins and dhs above warriors in m+ rating already xD
maybe we gget some love
lusty grotto
alt tanks are a thing
shut marsh
every time you taunt swap
- sotr? aight thanks
shrewd moss
shut marsh
Is the spell reflect guide up to date?
wheres this
coarse bay
shut marsh
plush tendon
its why Prot War is the best tank for Paladins
ivory barn
I keep being bnet friended every time I run a +12 or higher rn
tribal wharf
this affix is a real kick to the balls if it goes out
funny thats how you deal with it too
coarse bay
this affix is a real kick to the balls if it goes out
What affix
lofty warren
I upgraded world boss 263 crit stat stick trinket to 6/6 myth gays and then in +17 skyreach felt mega squish. Assume its just because the healer is got was a goober? Unfortunately wasn't logged in wcl and talents/packs/rotation were basically the same the whole season
fringe mural
I upgraded world boss 263 crit stat stick trinket to 6/6 myth gays and then in +...
You can upgrade champ to mythic?
mighty valley
he's saying he switched out a champ world boss trinket for a myth gaze of the alnseer
i speak pepega now
fringe mural
oooooh
cursive hemlock
Ye thats how I understood it too
lofty warren
You can upgrade champ to mythic?
Harrow is correct
lofty warren
coarse bay
he's saying he switched out a champ world boss trinket for a myth gaze of the al...
It’s crazy that you understood that
mighty valley
i'm not proud
warm plinth
now to up these 3 big fatass trinkets
Woah woah woah, we don't fatshame here
lofty warren
That myth one from boss 2 is hot
ionic fern
now to up these 3 big fatass trinkets
What a flex.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi qtpie ily. Hope you're well my friend
lusty grotto
dw my warrior has not been as blessed ig
ionic fern
And im still running champ trinkets
Same.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi qtpie ily. Hope you're well my friend
Ily. Doing fine,just super busy. Hope you're doing good also. 
fringe mural
Also still rocking that champ alnseer
lofty warren
My first myth chim I got yhe gays after 14 runs without it on lower difficulty. Maybe that karma stuff is actually true?
arctic finch
whats the best embelishment for neck?
lofty warren
coarse bay
whats the best embelishment for neck?
Not even sure what options there are, it isnt really suggested
There’s some good neck options with heavy haste or crit
lusty grotto
embelishless
arctic finch
ye but i got a leech belt and now where the fck do i put my embelishment , i have an avoidance cloak too
lusty grotto
is the option
coarse bay
Avoidance isnt important
arctic finch
Avoidance isnt important
i call bullshit on that
coarse bay
arctic finch
avoidance is awesome
coarse bay
Just slap anything on the neck then
Theres probably something that interacts with your gems
Should be able to sim your options
lofty warren
Avoidance for tanks is basically completely useless i thought
coarse bay
lusty grotto
i have no idea
jagged pier
lusty grotto
i dont remember the achieve being accountwide
tidal pelican
are we upgrading shield or weapon first?
lusty grotto
whichever is myth first
tidal pelican
got myth on both
lusty grotto
yeah
thats why it took me by surprise
nimchipadin isnt even close to being full myth slotted
makes 0 sense
lament osprey
Can you upgrade jewelry? Says any but want confirmation
undone beacon
With the voidcores? no
undone beacon
Weapons and Trinkets
timid wigeon
how thicc is prot war after the buffs ?
timid wigeon
war was already a brick wall. they should have buffed our dmg tbh
timid wigeon
in the form of voidcores
😅
fringe mural
easier to reach 3.4 now
if you're after the mount
or 3k
whatever it is you're going for
or clearing myth raids
the only thing keeping me from myth of dawn is crests
i am still 400 short of the cap
timid wigeon
easier to reach 3.4 now
3.4k has been already easy, the issue is to get invited as a prot war
lusty grotto
arms you mean
fringe mural
😄
fringe mural
even after the fury buff?
lusty grotto
bro i play it
fringe mural
or cd fitting to m+
lusty grotto
i would know
fringe mural
well then good to know
from the numbers i wouldn't
colossus arms was way better than mt fury before the tuning that's why i was confused
i don't really like the feel of arms though, but that's just personal preference
lusty grotto
unfortunate
smoky pollen
From my understanding (I don’t play arms very good) Fury has a lot more prio target damage than Arms, but Arms is more damage overall
(I have only played like 6 Arms keys this season and did awful with Arms in my pug myth runs)
smoky pollen
Yeah I’ve only got to play a handful of os keys this season, most of my time dpsing has been on the busted DH spec
lusty grotto
both hero specs have execute range bonuses, so both can play execute range-style aoe funneling
sharp gale
Arms does 20%+ more prio dps
lusty grotto
if you pull around it
fringe mural
oh okay
lusty grotto
and thats a big if
sharp gale
Yeah but even regular packs the elite gets killed way faster with arms
fringe mural
okay great or not, people will invite you as an offensive warrior rather than a prot because of meta will they not?
lusty grotto
oh if you mean fury vs arms sure
fringe mural
or will they kick you again once they see you're fury
sharp gale
Oh if you mean meta talk, you either are one of the 3 dps meta spec or you are not
No middle ground
fringe mural
then own key it is ig
fringe mural
ask ferals
Lol what, they just want boomkins?
sharp gale
Do your key or play with other humans in the MMORPG
fringe mural
Always loved solar beam
the spell is just so awesome
long ass aoe silence just simplifies so many packs
cerulean tusk
Why would they kick Slayer Fury? It is really solid
lusty grotto
because people are dumb
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
vegan is playing prot
or was
in the tournament realm
mr squish
i didnt catch which key it was but im willing to beat it was seat
arctic finch
where can i go and raise a complaint about how shit prot warrior is ?
undone beacon
under any wowhead new post about tuning or hotfixes
timid wigeon
Lol what, they just want boomkins?
not bear ?
when bear is the meta, both feral and boomkin suck
fringe mural
not bear ?
bear won't show up as dps in queue
so he won't even get invited
we were talking about getting an invite and then a kick
tribal wharf
where can i go and raise a complaint about how shit prot warrior is ?
when the keystone depletes
mortal vale
How does Prot warrior do against the bleed on first pull in algathar academy?
lusty grotto
same as any other tank, you still have to reset with leap or dwarf
lament osprey
Have a Aug with you as well
chilly brook
Is this Yogi?
umbral wave
I have a stupid question.
If there's a macro that puts Shield Slam & Ignore Pain on the same button and we WANT (I assume) to replace Ignore Pain with that Macro... why not just jam that macro every time we want to Shield Slam?
I guess if we'd want to hold some rage for shield block/revenge
warm plinth
I have a stupid question.
If there's a macro that puts Shield Slam & Ignore Pai...
You put IP before SS in the macro so that you burn the rage before SS if it resets mid-GCD. If you pressed it any time you wanted to Shield Slam, you'd IP when you didn't need to instead of Revenge (or potentially spend rage you need for SB)
sharp gale
It’s to catch the shield slam reset that can happen between your GCDs
umbral wave
Good thing I'm only doing TW cause I've been mashing the shit out of IP
warm plinth
Yeah you only want to IP when you hit 70+ rage. Which will still be a lot, but overuse will actually result in a lot less overall rage generation, which is less survivability and less damage.
sharp gale
And you can gcd lock yourself like: you press that IP macro it puts you under revenge rage and tc is on cd, you can’t press anything and it’s very dangerous
Im talking about IP on shield slam bind
umbral wave
That makes way more sense though. The wowhead guide doesn't really say to hold IP, it just says to dump excess rage into it so I assumed "mass the shit out of it if Revenge isn't up and who even knows when to Shield Block"
mighty valley
Revenge is always up
sharp gale
Excess rage is the 70+ we usually recommend
umbral wave
Probably wasn't because I was mashing IP
mighty valley
Yeah
So the goal is to be able to press an offensive button every single GCD
If you only hit IP above 70 rage, you keep some in the tank so you can Revenge when SS and TC aren't available
and continue to fish for SS resets
umbral wave
People I'd been talking to before hand made it sound like IP needed to be highest priority over Revenge.
unkempt pebble
U can have macro on different bind that does ip+ss for when u wanna burn rage
sharp gale
Being able to Revenge is critical, you can die very quickly if your rotation gets stuck
umbral wave
So more Revenge and less IP (I assume it's not a hard and fast rule but in general?)
lusty grotto
People I'd been talking to before hand made it sound like IP needed to be highes...
no read this #protection message its basically what they mentioned already
anyone that says "spam IP" has been incorrect since IP was created from shield barrier
mighty valley
It's a nearly hard and fast rule haha
Really rare that you want to stall out your rotation and tank your rage gen just to max out IP for a big hit or whatever
That's what shield wall is for
sharp gale
That’s a +21 key stuff, if rly full IP is thing that makes you live the tankbuster
umbral wave
How often should I be hitting Shield Block? Maybe this is in the FAQ and I should be looking at that.
sharp gale
You should have shield block buff all the time you are actively tanking
You still want it when you are off tank in raid but it’s for dmg in that case
umbral wave
Outside of "Don't press it dummy" is there a way to not accidentally burn both charges?
sharp gale
You usually waste shield blocks when you press it just when the pack dies
umbral wave
I'd imagine that's fine since it'll probably have a charge by the time you get into the next pack
sharp gale
If you play into the fray talent it is more risk, but if you play HR it’s not that big
At enough key lvl, shield block fading mid pull = you get one tapped
frosty mango
People I'd been talking to before hand made it sound like IP needed to be highes...
Who are those people
They some liars
Name them
umbral wave
I think they just had outdated knowledge. (Maybe very much outdated)
sharp gale
Yeah that’s a strange thing to say since we don’t choose between revenge or IP in the first place
You can’t dump your rage by pressing revenge
We gain more rage than that
frosty mango
Outside of "Don't press it dummy" is there a way to not accidentally burn both c...
You won’t really ever “lose” duration but you will end up pressing it at the end of a pack and then you walk into the next pack and it’s not up yet
But generally if you keep the train rolling it’s hard to mess up shield block
umbral wave
But the buff time doesn't stack right?
frosty mango
It does
umbral wave
Oh shit
sharp gale
It stack 3x the duration
umbral wave
I was worried about pressing it twice accidentally (I tend to double press a lot to try and catch GCD) and ending up with 8 seconds of no SB
frosty mango
You won’t really ever “lose” duration but you will end up pressing it at the end...
This is why you don’t do that
sharp gale
So you can press like shield charge and 2 charge of shield block, it will be 18? seconds
frosty mango
But it’s really not a big deal if you do
umbral wave
"Don't do that, but if you do it's not that bad." I assume?
frosty mango
For the most part as war your travel time between packs is like sub 2 seconds - so you’re rarely in a scenario where you will be “losing” effective uptime
The higher the key level the more important it is
sharp gale
"Don't do that, but if you do it's not that bad." I assume?
It’s more bad if you play ITF
But not that bad if HR
frosty mango
When I say it’s not a big deal I’m not saying it’s ok to play sub optimally I’m saying if you make a mistake, it isn’t egregious
As long as you are aware
umbral wave
Yeah, that's mostly what I wanted to be sure of.
I'm wrong to do it, but it's not the end of the world at this point.
sharp gale
Yeah it’s very high keys you get punished for that, so it’s not the end
frosty mango
There’s a difference between “I did it and realized and I’m working to get better” and “I’m doing it and I don’t care”
You’re not the latter so I think you’re fine
umbral wave
Thanks for all the info y'all. Makes it a lot more clear.
Now if someone wants to tell me a way to immediately notice when I hit 70+ rage without starring at my bar...
sharp gale
You have 130 max rage
So more than half your bar basically, you can put an indicator if you rly want to
vital stirrup
Now if someone wants to tell me a way to immediately notice when I hit 70+ rage ...
Pretty sure some add ons can make the bar change color at certain points
lofty warren
Now if someone wants to tell me a way to immediately notice when I hit 70+ rage ...
believe exwindboss
but if you get that exwind thing also get the america language addon unless you can read chinese
lusty grotto
Now if someone wants to tell me a way to immediately notice when I hit 70+ rage ...
just get a big rage bar under your character or as part of a CDM and peripheral vision on it
umbral wave
Alright, i understand what is meant by excess rage is now
stiff inlet
got the Seat gloves 2nd roll in there niice
lusty grotto
gz
wraith bobcat
How does one prepare to tank raids besides learning the mechanics and cramming youtube videos for a guy who never raided before. Is there something I should keep in mind especially as a prot war?
lusty grotto
the spell reflect sheet that's pinned
and/or any boss guide works
thats about it
as long as the guide mentions tank swaps you should be good
ivory barn
mystic cave
Does someone have a mythic dragons vod i could watch? Was a little lost on the boss when we pulled it so im trying to gather povs to learn
lusty grotto
sense
mystic cave
ive got that one, and a couple others but he is soaking nullbeam with his other tank and i havent seen anyone else doing that
thats mostly what im trying to understand
ivory barn
bruh EZ
lofty warren
How does one prepare to tank raids besides learning the mechanics and cramming y...
mythictrap.com good site with little videos. can also filter for tank role so you can completely ignore whater BS healers need to do
toxic pewter
does that 285 myth crest achievement give any benefits for alts at all when it comes to upgrading
ivory barn
I believe alts are 1/2 crests
lusty grotto
only for slots that are fully maxed
ivory barn
so close I can smell it
lusty grotto
both my warrior and paladin got it today
toxic pewter
ngl if u get the achievement should just discount it all for alts
ivory barn
only thing I hate is looking at the % health line
heavy sparrow
I take back what I said about dots not affecting me. 17 windrunner was a nightmare
abstract arch
I believe alts are 1/2 crests
thats some crazy game design
fluid widget
thats some crazy game design
It’s for that slot
So you can upgrade slot on an alt and get it discounted on your main
glacial ridge
I swear I’ve used most of my bonus rolls on SEAT and still waiting for the gauntlets / weapon / neck -.- I’ve gotten everything but
tacit smelt
I'm about to post a log in other channel anyone wanna look at it and tell me how i could squeeze out some more dam (also add 1 min to timer because healer crashed and we had to wait for them)
short mist
i see alot of dwarfs over dark iron dwarfs are dwarfs beter tanks why?
jagged pier
ngl if u get the achievement should just discount it all for alts
it does
elfin elk
Only if you have that specific slot max'd out
You can do some funky stuff if you upgrade a slot fully on an alt it gets discounted on your main
Even if the alt isn't 285 average
lunar flare
I take back what I said about dots not affecting me. 17 windrunner was a nightma...
Which ones you struggling with?
fringe mural
You can do some funky stuff if you upgrade a slot fully on an alt it gets discou...
Is that different with myth of dawn?
ah because myth of dawn is average of 285
and the others mean all your slots have to be maxed for that tier
elfin elk
Myth of the dawn is account wide, so any slot you upgrade to max on any character gets discounted for all other characters on that account
abstract arch
i see alot of dwarfs over dark iron dwarfs are dwarfs beter tanks why?
One of if not the best racial
fringe mural
Myth of the dawn is account wide, so any slot you upgrade to max on any characte...
So if you have myth of dawn on your main and have myth 2/6 gloves on it, and then upgrade myth gloves on an alt to 6/6 that doesnt have myth of dawn yet, will the 2/6 to 6/6 upgrades be discounted on the main?
jagged pier
yes
unique hill
hey guys. is it possible to track shield block and ignore pain with default ui?
unkempt hazel
yea
elfin elk
So if you have myth of dawn on your main and have myth 2/6 gloves on it, and the...
Yeppers
jagged pier
wowhead or icy veins guide?
icy veins
unkempt hazel
ice venison
unique hill
thank you
fringe mural
ice venison
not wowbj
the only ones that give great (wow)head are the off spec guides
fringe mural
@undone beacon , you have an ele alt, what guide would you recommend?
iv or wowhead
broken marsh
Hey guys, I was wondering when you press execute in raid settings. My prio is usually looking like Shield slam>thunderclap>revenge, so I don't feel like I have a space for execute as I press revenge instead fishing for shield slam procs. Also is it ever Thunderblast>shield slam?
broken marsh
wtf... I had no idea xd
jagged pier
and on in AOE u tb before SS, and only if u have 2 stacks of TB in ST
broken marsh
aoe = 3+ I assume
candid lark
wtf... I had no idea xd
It's part of the Strategist talent
jagged pier
2
jagged pier
wtf... I had no idea xd
read your talents
u only ever press execute on ST tho
if there are adds or multiple bosses
u never press it
broken marsh
Would it be better to go the bloodstream talent over rend dmg 25% increase then? for fights like saladhar where it is mainly st for executes?
bloodsurge*
I saw a lot of the top loggers alternating
broken marsh
Talents from "Charge" the top parser for heroic Fallen king saladhar
jagged pier
that has dropped shield sepc for BB
it has BS
not sure y u are asking to swap one for the other
broken marsh
You mentioned that you guys don't run bb so you favor ss instead?
Also is deep wounds ever taken
lilac olive
no
jagged pier
in relevance to swapping BB for BS no we dont run BB
because we already run BS anyway
if u want extra damage then u drop Shield spec
for it, but its really not that much extra damage
rend doesnt do that much in raid at all
broken marsh
Is it a substantial defensive loss?
broken marsh
Would the render value be better in more target situations and more likely taken? Like vanguard
Also would sudden death > bb be a potential option, or would execute need more buffs
lilac olive
execute is just a horrible button right now
candid lark
Question: Which has more defensive benefit for M+? Armor Specilisation or Fight Through the Flames?
jagged pier
dungeon dependent
candid lark
Yeah, that's a fair point
fringe mural
i get the feeling execute is pretty much a dead spell for m+, because you spend such a low percentage of the instance time in st execute phases
and if you're in that phase, using execute instead of revenge is pretty chill to do because nothing else happens in the fight
you don't really have a lot of situations outside of bosses where you could hit multiple executes against a single mob to really make a difference against plain revenge usage
i can't get into the game rn to check, i remember reading execute refunds rage, is that true all the time?
dusty wedge
dunno, I hardly hit executy regardless of m+ or raid xD
drowsy comet
jagged pier
oak ivy
i just remembered
didnt we have a tier set in dragonflight that did basically exactly Phalanx 🤔
something something shield slam frontals and gives DR
oak ivy
Ah it was DF S2 , 20sec after last stand ends
oak ivy
0 thought went into our apex
it does seem pretty uninspired compared to some others for sure
warm plinth
i can't get into the game rn to check, i remember reading execute refunds rage, ...
Not a thing. Not for prot anyway.
jagged pier
we didnt even like that tier set at the time
well i didnt at least
and i know i wasnt the only 1
oak ivy
it was just so cringe to have to send a defensive on CD because now it's a damage button???
warm plinth
At least it doesn't require last stand this time around
oak ivy
tru
fringe mural
At least it doesn't require last stand this time around
blizz the lords of optimization
chrome karma
do i need to upgrade my myth trinket 6/6 before using my ascended voidcore on it?
fringe mural
do i need to upgrade my myth trinket 6/6 before using my ascended voidcore on it...
yes
the core says fully upgraded does it not?
chrome karma
True, ty for the info
lofty warren
brew gets to reset their keg throw when they use defensive as teir apex.. so for pwar it would be like if thunder blast cd reset when use shield block
fringe mural
i mean our apex is kinda cool
because for multiple targets you need to aim it
which indirectly helps you with positioning
if you position yourself correctly, your apex will give you the best possible outcome
of course in st it doesnt matter at all
opal lodge
is there a point when there is to much haste ?
opal lodge
Un buffed stats
fringe mural
when we hit 2nd and 3rd dr points
opal lodge
ahh fair fair
fringe mural
ahh fair fair
afaik haste is still strongest stat after 1st dr point
opal lodge
with haste flash & Into the fray its like 42%
dont know if thats better then running aa vers flask
fringe mural
with haste flash & Into the fray its like 42%
for dr only the raw stat counts
not percentage bonuses
x% extra will always be x% extra
dr works like this, for every point of haste you gain over the first cap, that point of haste will only net 0.9 points of haste
the others up to that point will count as 1 point of haste each
and i am pretty sure dr only works with stats from gear
unkempt hazel
np
fringe mural
happy to help while waiting for dundun to finish talking
30 seconds of collecting abundance, 2:30 of waiting for the next round
best content
fringe mural
naming a druid <:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
What spec?
unkempt hazel
im more so trying to go for smth silly
rn the options are Magnanimoon and Hootini
fringe mural
hootini is nice
very much so
it's a mix of hoot and java sound right?
that's a pretty dope name ngl
unkempt hazel
I was more so going for houdini but hoot
lol
but now that I think about it it does sound like java
fringe mural
Nerds know utini not houdini man
unkempt hazel
fringe mural
Idk what you need help with
unkempt hazel
heck it hootini it is
fringe mural
Dropping a major pun unintentionally
unkempt hazel
just was wondering if anyone got even better ones
fringe mural
unkempt hazel
although most will prolly be taken, surprised this wasnt
yeah I may be overthinking
fringe mural
people aren't as witty as you think
my names are very rarely taken
But i call my characters names like mossman or winegums
unkempt hazel
my best names are prolly Pandastic (obviously panda monk) and zulgolas troll hunter
fringe mural
Hootini is way better
fringe mural
sry man it's how it is
fringe mural
i mean
unkempt hazel
I've played horde for so long im just way too used to it
fringe mural
I understand people don't want to look ig like irl
play tauren and enjoy gathering
i think ores sell better
so hm
25% deftness is huge
Especially on ores
fringe mural
dont think there's any that u'd call small
Well then you need to find a brown coat as tmog for sure
with yellow glowing eyes
unkempt hazel
tauren and zandalari are huge
haranir might actually be the shortest one
lol
actually current trading post got a brown coat
🤔
just need some hood
fringe mural
tauren and zandalari are huge
You know what else is huge?
warm plinth
You know what else is huge?
@ionic fern 's hold on my ❤️
fringe mural
<@238357283996696576> 's hold on my ❤️
Aaaaaaw
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> 's hold on my ❤️
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You know what else is huge?
The disappointment my family feels when they see me outside of the top 5 dps in raid
And then they ask why can’t you be like your older brother
fringe mural
The disappointment my family feels when they see me outside of the top 5 dps in ...
sad life
as a tank, of course
why can't you top 5 as the tank in a 20 man
smh
ivory barn
why can't you top 5 as the tank in a 20 man
ivory barn
I played a survival hunter and a assa rogue then lol
unkempt hazel
wod I was warrior purist
tribal wharf
fluid widget
https://tenor.com/view/warriordps-gif-5255019531772108037
I MISS CLASSIC WARRIOR
ivory barn
I played mage
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fire mage hopefully?
ivory barn
Frost actually 
glass spoke
@fiery sable Magisters Terrace, you can reflect Pyroblast from the pyromancers for a gajillion damage
hazy juniper
TIL i’m not supposed to do full apex talents
jagged pier
Yes u r
U are a silly goose if u dont run full apex
U were before the buffs u are now with the buffs
undone beacon
TIL i’m not supposed to do full apex talents
daring marlin
TIL i’m not supposed to do full apex talents
cerulean tusk
1/4 is perfection
hazy juniper
i literally take 0 damage now with 1/4
cerulean tusk
Dont need slam dam, dont need clap dam
I only revenge
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
Only half a troll, Col pumps AoE dam
ivory barn
low mango
Any tips for gathering mobs?
Every tank has some sort of short cooldown defensive they use to help not die while getting aggro (Barkskin, Ardent Defender, etc.) Demo Shout is the closest one and that's best used when the mobs are already stacked (like Eye of Tyr for Pala) and it seems way better used offensively anyway.
Like, I can get enough rage to get an Shield Block/Ignore Pain off mid-pull (sometimes), but brain dead DPS like to start ripping aggro before the tank even gathers so I'm forced to use Revenge to grab em back if Thunder Clap is on cooldown.
Like hell even if Whirlwind cost no rage like Swipe does for Bear, it would help a ton.
undone beacon
Shield charge can close gaps while also applying shield block, and dont be afraid to Shield Wall off the rip. We have two charges and a lot of CDR for it if you're playing correctly
During avatar TC/TB has a halved CD which helps. You also have an AoE taunt
Sometimes your dps will be cretins and blow up during gather. Let them die and learn their lesson, thats not your fault
If the ddh drops a collapsing star on a pack you're pulling, thats not on you
ivory barn
Any tips for gathering mobs?
Every tank has some sort of short cooldown defensi...
I charge to a mob, apply block/wall and leap into the pack I want to pull normally
low mango
Any opinions on the other talent node for Shield Wall? The 6 sec per Shield Slam one?
ivory barn
Once gathered it's normally ava/demo -> sc
jagged pier
It used to be more cause it gave rage
The moment it stopped giving rage it was useless
low mango
Gotcha. Well thank you all so much! 🙏
undone beacon
ivory barn
I wanna gather a bunch of 285 players in a +2 of something and see if we can pull an entire fucking dungeon onto a boss
jagged pier
Can probably do that on a 12 tbh
echo egret
It seems applying to 17s is now a deadend, and I'll have to start running my own keys.
It's pretty new to me, what's the best way to filter out applicants ?
coarse bay
Have a comp in mind
But dont be strict to your plans
If good applicants
Know good synergies and what your group needs
ivory barn
Try and get like all physical or all magic dmg but, yeah just zug
coarse bay
Shouldnt need to do that in 17
ivory barn
Ddh is.... Sus
ivory barn
Shouldnt need to do that in 17
Idk, I like trying to do it if I can, but I don't get mad if a 280 mage applies to a physical group
echo egret
But what should I look at when there will be a gaziilion DPs applying ?
coarse bay
Io is all you have
echo egret
obviously rio is not enough
ivory barn
Have they done the key, have they timed it is what I look for
coarse bay
Just know the specs and their profiles, know what combos and synergies will work well
echo egret
Any reliable info out here about that ? I haven't looked at other classes much.
coarse bay
Fwiw fotm players can be a problem, but uhdk and devourer are meta for a reason
coarse bay
Any reliable info out here about that ? I haven't looked at other classes much.
Not sure tbh, just gotta pick it up with time
ivory barn
Every ddh I've brought blows load on first pack of dungeon then can't figure their rotation out
echo egret
lol that could be something to ask to an AI !
echo egret
yeah thtat's the issue
coarse bay
Nothing u can do to filter that out though
Besides make friends
And play with consistent people
undone beacon
Such is the way it goes in the pug trenches
coarse bay
I would steer clear of augs unless you are confident in your group
A bit punishing with errors or poor play
On anybodys part
Once you get in top keys its whatever
fluid widget
augs are so squishy
coarse bay
Ya they are
coarse bay
Any reliable info out here about that ? I haven't looked at other classes much.
An example ill give since ive been playing my ret this season, is that ret is heavily reliant on a shaman buff
undone beacon
Aug is amazing if the tank and the group plays around them, and practically useless otherwise
coarse bay
So dont take a ret without one
ivory barn
I would steer clear of augs unless you are confident in your group
Aug make group go pewpew tho
undone beacon
Or if the tank doesnt pull around breath
Or if CDs get desynced
At that point it would've been better to just have a normal dps
coarse bay
Ya at a certain level you can expect it to work out, but in anything below like title-ish i wouldnt do it
coarse bay
It isnt really as big a deal this season but knowing your interrupt, cc, and utility when forming too
I think forming comps/groups is one of the most fun things for me
ivory barn
I about leveled an Aug the other day, but then realized destro lock existed... MARSHMALLOW BOLT!
coarse bay
Ya lock’s pretty solid too
undone beacon
i want to like destro but i hate ground based aoe
ivory barn
Can't decide between my assa rogue or my destro lol
coarse bay
I havent really done lock since legion affliction
Hard to play it and have fun for me
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto how do you do today friend
ivory barn
We went from 4 locks week one to 0 now lol
coarse bay
ivory barn
I enjoy the envenom play style on assa it chunks
Feels like old arms level of smash, until you run out of energy and cry
fiery sable
<@142633697491943424> Magisters Terrace, you can reflect Pyroblast from the pyro...
I assumed that would be the case but never got a cast to actually go off 👍
crisp ocean
how do you take less damage as a tank I feel like my hp is too jumpy
jagged pier
play correctly, i dunno what u doing so cant give advice would need to see a log
crisp ocean
i'll get a log when I play again
opaque oriole
As a new protection warrior, how would you rank the hardest 3 dungeons for pwar in what order?
mellow elk
Where do you check the list of bises?? Wowhead, Icyveins, or somewhere else?
undone beacon
Where do you check the list of bises?? Wowhead, Icyveins, or somewhere else?
BIS lists are fake, we recommend you sim your character. If you want a gearing guide, use Icy Veins
mellow elk
But i have to keep 1188 haste no?
undone beacon
You want to aim for 1188 haste to swap Heavy Repurcussions to Into the Fray and still maintain Shield Block uptime
You want as much haste as you can realistically get though
mellow elk
But without losing for getting to much no?
undone beacon
You want as much haste as you can get regardless
mellow elk
oh
undone beacon
Its highly unlikely you'll reach the point of diminishing returns in season one, and even then haste is what we want anyways
You should have haste on every piece if you can manage it
The general rule of thumb is Haste/Crit, but Mast and Vers can be valuable as well depending on your gear. Thats why we reccomend to sim
You want gear that is Haste/Crit, Haste/Mast, or Haste/Vers
mellow elk
Without buffs i have
Crit 21% 576
Haste 34% 1270
Maste 24% 359
Versa 4% 237
undone beacon
You want as much haste as you can get regardless
mellow elk
Oh ok ok hahaha
undone beacon
Theres a chance that crit flask can pull ahead slightly in some scenarios but its usually best to just play it simple and keep to haste flask. At the end of the day, your choice of flask wont make or break your key. Your gameplay will
mellow elk
Yeah yeah, i just rerolled some weeks ago from fury i and want to "try" to understand better the prote
Im doing 13-14 without any problem (not SR HOLY FK THE MAGIC BLEED)
undone beacon
You can backpedal away from the Adepts to let the dot fall off, hit them with a hard CC or a slow and take a few steps backwards and it'll reset
mellow elk
Yeah thats what i usually try but my lord scary as fk
undone beacon
That and the Battleaxes in AA are two of the spookiest mobs this season
mellow elk
Ty for the help 😄
undone beacon
minor reef
You can backpedal away from the Adepts to let the dot fall off, hit them with a ...
It feels like my hitbox gets bigger if i strafe or something like that, is that why you backpeddle on those?
undone beacon
Your hitbox doesnt get bigger, strafing is just less likely to get you out of melee range
Backpedalling gets you out of range of their autos so they cant reapply the "bleed"
minor reef
Ah i see okey
drowsy comet
how are u guys liking the new 298 weapon and trinkets?
undone beacon
Feels no different
torn gulch
just more ilvl kekw
shrewd cosmos
Ty for the help 😄
You can also use shockwave to remove it first time. Then Piercing Howl to kite or Storm bolt to desync them. Also Spell Reflect for some extra magic DR.
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto got it finally xdd
lusty grotto
gzgz
dusky canopy
Now I start getting smoked by people who actually understand the champs 😆
mellow elk
You can also use shockwave to remove it first time. Then Piercing Howl to kite o...
Uh Storm Bolt for desync them... i like that
shrewd cosmos
If I use Voidcore on Hero trinket can I update Myth one all the way to 285 for free ?
lusty grotto
it depends on your other trinket
shrewd cosmos
They both are 285
shrewd cosmos
Yes sry
lusty grotto
then sure
in general unless its a trinket/ring with ilvl disparity, any ilvl gained you can upgrade for free as long as you have the item in your inventory and has been equipped/bound to you
lusty grotto
whatever myth tracks you have, but i have no idea why youre using 2 on-use - but only after weapon + shield
shrewd cosmos
in general unless its a trinket/ring with ilvl disparity, any ilvl gained you ca...
This is great it saves a lot of myth crests
abstract skiff
I dont have myth track trinket lol
cerulean tusk
Mad strat, reach 285 on main. Swap to alt, gear it up on the pieces your main lack, get it to 285. Swap to your main, save crests for your gear minmax
shrewd cosmos
I dont have myth track trinket lol
Use your M+ rolls and if you don't do Raids aim for Heart of Wind and Solarflare Prism
shrewd cosmos
Solar Core Igniter this one is good but Gaze heroic is super strong as well and the boss is very easy
fringe mural
oooh so you can upgrade both the heroic trinkets to myth with voidcores and then pay no crests for upgrading the myth trinkets to 5/6
Anyone know how high the droprate for voidcores in ritual t5s is?
fringe mural
"looking to not include people in your key, here's how"
i'll just invite cool dudes
like shamans
Shamans are cool, their spells look cool too
also they have lust
perfect invite
idle copper
ascendant voidshard - wowhead says weapon first - I always thought it was shield first ?
fringe mural
wowhead is not the source to go to for prot
lusty grotto
and be super full with them
idle copper
ty
fringe mural
they throw out voidshards like crazy
lusty grotto
they are not capped, dont worry about which
both weapon and shield are equally more important than trinkets
myth tracks first then crafted
fringe mural
4 for t11 delve coffers each day, 2 for preys each week
and i think certain drop in keys 10+
just use them
idle copper
ty
fringe mural
nim did i get that right with the trinkets?
if i upgrade both hero track with voidcore stuff i can save 120 myth crests for upgrading myth trinkets
idle copper
whats our go to site if not wowhead - icy?
fringe mural
yeah
idle copper
ta
fringe mural
doom video inc
tribal wharf
<:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
step 1, get a brez, 2, lust, 3, 2nd brez or utility, optional step 4 maybe healer/tank if somehow dont have one by now,
step 5 finale run the damn key
vocal lintel
Are we using Fight thought the flames instead of armor spec now?
fringe mural
depends on the damage profile of the content
what dungeon would you say is a surefire fttf dungeon?
frosty mango
Surefire? None
fringe mural
skyreach?
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter on any dungeon under 18s
frosty mango
Skyreach imo no bc you can kite off the nasty shit and 6% isn’t saving you from something like fiery talons
frosty mango
I just said above
fringe mural
no i didnt mean you sry
you gave a good explanation, i ment nim with his "it doesnt matter because dungeons are low duh"
high horse
it's not easy for everyone below 18
fringe mural
might be compared to other seasons, might be if you play correctly
but on a completely objective note, which of the dungeons have a magic-heavy dmg profile
if there are none okay
fringe mural
i will, thank you, thanks roid for the answer
there are players who struggle in lower keys, i am one of those
blazing shuttle
Any advices on the first pull of Academy, on a 17?
Maybe do iti in two parts, instead of one?
frosty mango
None of the dungeons have a magic heavy profile, phys damage is the majority of every dungeon, but it’s not really about the total profile it’s about surviving in specific scenarios where the talent makes a measurable difference. IMO npx is the only dungeon where that is true,
If you want to know detailed info then you can look at wcl by key level
fringe mural
if you don't want to answer that's fine with me, it's your time
but it doesn't help if you say it doesn't matter
frosty mango
Any advices on the first pull of Academy, on a 17?
Maybe do iti in two parts, in...
Is your goal to navigate it as a single pull or to time the key
blazing shuttle
Time.
lusty grotto
Any advices on the first pull of Academy, on a 17?
Maybe do iti in two parts, in...
mark one big lasher with skull, make sure your dps prios it, reset with a leap at less than 5s, don't ham wall on the pull let stuff come to you
blazing shuttle
Ham wall the pull?
lusty grotto
dont mash wall on the gather
fringe mural
None of the dungeons have a magic heavy profile, phys damage is the majority of ...
thanks
frosty mango
Time.
Splitting the pull will make no functional difference in your timer if your goal is only to time
frosty mango
It’s safer to split. It’s not optimal, but it is safer given your goal
lusty grotto
im with roid, because technically in higher keys you do not want to pull both fly packs
blazing shuttle
Thank you boss.
lusty grotto
you still 2 pull it, kind of
blazing shuttle
Yeah. I'm aiming to stay on pugging up to 18/19.
So I should just split in two, yeah?
I've been thiinking about doiing that. Like, I see no point beside: "big balls"
compact silo
are these pulls fine for high?
lusty grotto
technically hes correct, its a 2-pull
compact silo
healer complaining
blazing shuttle
Thank you, Nim. Can always count on you.
frosty mango
Any time you ask yourself that question just put it in this context
Will splitting a pull put us in danger of not timing the key?
Is the risk of combining greater than the time we potentially save assuming we wipe?
blazing shuttle
are these pulls fine for high?
Oh boy.
frosty mango
Usually the answer is always split
lusty grotto
are these pulls fine for high?
its a doable pull
blazing shuttle
Any time you ask yourself that question just put it in this context
Will splitt...
That's my line of thinking.
I feel like splitting it will NOT put us in danger. On the contrary. Assuming we don't wipe, we could have burnt too much, run a risk, and with the kiting and the such... plus, it's PUGS.
lusty grotto
just need to dodge orbs
compact silo
split like this?
compact silo
just need to dodge orbs
my thoughts exactly but pugs dont
compact silo
eh ig i'll split like this for pugs 🙄
frosty mango
That's my line of thinking.
I feel like splitting it will NOT put us in danger....
It just depends on your goals. If your goal is to +2 or +3 it changes the answer. If your goal is to simply time the key than imo in most cases splitting a pull does not cost you so much time that it would make you fail, and vastly lowers risk - so it’s the objectively better choice
compact silo
split like this?
^
blazing shuttle
Thank you boss.
lusty grotto
eh ig i'll split like this for pugs 🙄
even with perfect dodges
your group still needs to deal with that channel
so dont make the mistake of thinking they arent effectively dodging
that channel hurts
blazing shuttle
It is very much a borderline: "perish".
fringe mural
is that seat 3rd boss?
oak ivy
https://tenor.com/view/ai-art-ai-bores-me-ai-boring-ai-content-ai-generated-gif-14126843253933570447
unreal shoal
Its so bad in such a wildly peculiar way