protection

[lusty grotto]

you should be reflecting sotr and fv

remember pins are always helpful

[fervent parcel]

Appreciate it!

[opal ledge]

wwhere did u farmed them?

[undone beacon]

LFR and Ritual Sites

[toxic pewter]

Grats!!!

[coarse bay]

[ivory barn]

warrior doesnt do shadow damage?

[wooden lily]

Neeed gloves

[undone beacon]

voidclaw gloves from seat :3

but otherwise, its a big haste neck so

we like the stats

[ivory barn]

its either that piece or a 3rd BR

[hearty sigil]

I'm never gonna get invited to a seat so

[ivory barn]

I have 8 pieces still heroic

[hearty sigil]

my next two rolls i'm guaranteed bis weapon or voidclaw gloves and i can't get in lol

k ill stop crying

[tame quail]

Please, need help. Do I upgrade first the shield or the weapon?

[smoky pollen]

Just bricked a solid 4 AA 16 runs in the first pull

[vocal junco]

Keep working at it, you’ll get it soon! Are you dwarf?

[smoky pollen]

Negative

[orchid mural]

/wave If I use my ascendent voidcore on a a weapon, and a slightly better weapon drops next week, is the new item upgradeable for free? any1 know?

[undone beacon]

You will need a new voidcore

[orchid mural]

thx pash

[abstract arch]

My next seat key I get I'm knocking it down to a 10 and calling it "prot warriors only"

[gleaming spoke]

Is bis using embellishments (crafted items) or is the ilvl loss not worth it?

[abstract arch]

The real answer is Sim it but I'm holding it off for last

[outer willow]

GENTLEMEN.

See you next season

it's been a season.

[abstract arch]

🎉

[outer willow]

I'd rate it purple/10

[gleaming spoke]

Thanks gonna just juice my shield

[tame quail]

Are we still dying to that bleed?

[smoky pollen]

Oh certainly

[tame quail]

Dang, I want the 3.4k

[smoky pollen]

I wanted to push further than that but I think I dont have the juice

[tame quail]

Not many ilvls left to help us... but maybe a mistweaver in that pull can help

[daring marlin]

time to block off the strait til we get all the voidcores

[frozen berry]

is it possible to get more than 5 this week?

[daring marlin]

yep

no limit

keep farmin

[frozen berry]

so u can do both trinkets?

[daring marlin]

and weapon yes

[opaque wyvern]

yo

better to uprade myth salhadar weapon or 285 crafted weapon

[lofty warren]

how many 298 upgrades do you get

[opaque wyvern]

uhh

[daring marlin]

as many as you wanna farm

[opaque wyvern]

i think uncapped tbh

ye

[daring marlin]

hm

did two ritual sites and got a shard in one

I'll need to grab a couple people to spam this

[lofty warren]

Can complete quest by doing M+?

[ivory barn]

[daring marlin]

damn ok buddy it's a 13 relax

[ivory barn]

it wasnt mine LOL

[daring marlin]

naw I know

[lofty warren]

how to get unlimited 298 upgrades

[smoky pollen]

#5 I actually lived the first pull, key is going fine but we had 5 deaths (none me or caused by me) so we have to pull a little faster. We wipe, ggs we tried

"Thanks for bricking that key tank"

[ivory barn]

ummm ?

[spiral jetty]

ritual site slaves in shambles

[lofty warren]

fttf for nexus or no?

[ivory barn]

bout to get my light ring 🙂

[abstract arch]

No

[abstract arch]

Bruh it was their fault I spent 4 hours farming t1 rituals in the first place

Lmao

[ivory barn]

After these changes go live, Ascendant Voidshards will drop at a 100% rate from:
Heroic and Mythic raid kills.
Mythic+ 10 or higher completions, with no cap.
Delve Tier 11 bountiful chests.
Nightmare Prey Champion gear boxes.
They will also drop slightly more often from Ritual Sites at Tier 5 difficulty.

In all other content not listed above, (e.g. Ritual Sites Tiers 1-4) the drop rates of Ascendant Voidshards will be reduced.

We will confirm here when the hotfixes go live tomorrow. Thank you!

so if you raided tonight, fuck you

[abstract arch]

Suspicious on how quick a fix this is

[ivory barn]

we raided all of heroic lol

[abstract arch]

"Let's release it completed fucked then fix it the next day so people think we're listening"

Classic blizz tbh

[ivory barn]

this is why one of the reasons I just wanna M+ next season lol

[round pendant]

Raiding sucks

[ivory barn]

so fuck playing the rest of the night basically lol

[opal ledge]

is there a cap for the Voidshards? can i get 25?

[undone beacon]

You can get as many as your heart desires

[maiden ravine]

in vault, I'm actually mighty tempted

[lusty grotto]

gonna leave this right here

[jade crane]

are we ascending mythic gaze or mythic weapon?

[lusty grotto]

weapons/shields myth track first

[ivory barn]

I have 1 🙂

[lofty warren]

i have 0 of those but it sounds like they are gonna drop like candy

from pinyata

[undone beacon]

I’m at 13/15 before the drop changes so, hoorah I guess

Give it a week they’ll be warbound too, calling it

[ivory barn]

tempted to wait till tomorrow now lol

[unkempt pebble]

how is that your fault even

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4vzWf9mTahZMRGY6?fight=6&type=damage-done why this log only 98 and not 99 or 100 wtf

[lusty grotto]

scratch that

i guess ill do arms weapon first

hint hint @undone beacon

[warm plinth]

I wanna cash mine in on pash-made picmixers

[lusty grotto]

true

thats the real bis

[lusty grotto]

lets fucking go

[unkempt pebble]

to pull that first area, i let the first patrol leave, and i charge to first lasher, clap and leap to other one press aggro and SS, range pull other patrol, and on 3rd lasher pull patrol will be together by the time you get there so you just charge and clap and get them grouped up, to be safe you can aoe taunt

[daring marlin]

proper mog

[lusty grotto]

of course

and now for prot stuff

[lusty grotto]

guil

[undone beacon]

[daring marlin]

yeah wat

[undone beacon]

Guil I thought you got a 2H from Caverns

[daring marlin]

sure did

but if I upgraded that this week

[lusty grotto]

how come no MC 2h

[unkempt pebble]

after the pull, if you have evoker in group, you can ask them to cauterize at 6 tank busters, 5 + 1 refresh, at 4 stacks you can ask for external defensive( if not use first wall stack here) , at 5 press wall few sec later another debuff applies, and evoker removes all of it, by then one of the lashers should be really low health, you facetank until 3 stacks, and leap out after 3rd stack, wait 3-4 sec for stacks to drop and continue

[daring marlin]

I wouldn't have finished this

[lusty grotto]

oh rough

[undone beacon]

[daring marlin]

4ilvl idgaf

it can wait til next week

[lusty grotto]

now i feel bad cause nimchipadin has it

[warm plinth]

I'd like to finish--nvm

[daring marlin]

cuz I'd have to drop another 80 crests on a second embellishment

I'll get more voidcores

not pressed

[lusty grotto]

gonna slam some LFR and see if i can get one for shield since i still have crafted 1h

[undone beacon]

Gonna be able to get a shard from every M+ and hero/myth raid boss tomorrow so

They will be abundant

[lusty grotto]

YEAH WELL

[daring marlin]

ABUNDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!

[lusty grotto]

ABOUT THAT

[undone beacon]

GLORIOUS ABUDNANCE

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

that pash guy ignored me earlier

[undone beacon]

:abundance:

[daring marlin]

rough out here

[undone beacon]

Wait what

[lusty grotto]

we were doing heroic

[undone beacon]

I’m sowwy

[daring marlin]

nah it was before that

also

[undone beacon]

Damn I’m the worst

[daring marlin]

fuck you blizz

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nervous-sweating-sweating-bullets--k01KRFJS2A7F4MGCFYZAEZF05T7

[daring marlin]

trash ahh game

[undone beacon]

big armsing it

[daring marlin]

need myth gloves after all!!!!!!!!!!

[lusty grotto]

i could have done better

ngl

i fucking slammed pot and fat (im not fat) fingered bladestorm without cs on egg phase and it flashbanged me so hard i just stood there and got fucked on the dodges

a real tilt

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

seat or skyreach

hmmmmmmge

[slender bison]

Void-stuff drop chances increased I see. Thanks for the turbo boost live beta testing again bros 🙏🫡

[daring marlin]

EU aren't humans so you're welcome

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

🦅

[slender bison]

NA farmed so EU can have fun

[ivory barn]

teach me da secret

[smoky pollen]

These are the questions that keep me up at night

Anyway sometimes you run 6 AA in a day and time none of them
And sometimes guild nepotism gets you into a 17 pit to get 3400

[winged zenith]

AA is only hard below 16

[smoky pollen]

[winged zenith]

And yes we still feeling bad after buff

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/amm-4--k01KRFK3HX3T6S94PADRWV1AZZV

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933732132889706566/1447682831974137856/melvin.gif

[daring marlin]

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395223746062848051/1500961029419434115/stretch.gif

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

https://klipy.com/gifs/comically-large-spoon-real-how

[undone beacon]

not even 298 weps and trinkets smh

[dusky canopy]

yeah I get laid instead

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1475931202505674903/gifntext-gif.gif

[dusky canopy]

LOL

sick memory book gif

I'm glad i chose to do my dungeons instead of farm ritual becuase its an easy 8/9 from raid tomorrow

and a few more quick 10 skyreaches

[undone beacon]

I blitzed lfr and did like 20 mins of rituals, that plus the smattering from heroic tonight puts me at 13/15

so two dungeons tomorrow while i get some crests, ill have all three items ready to rock

[dusky canopy]

damn bro thats sick! great luck

[undone beacon]

Yeee I'm pleased

I just wish i had gotten dispelled on dragons so I could've actually parsed or something

[dusky canopy]

parsing is so cooked

[daring marlin]

if only you were forsaken

fake shadow priest

[undone beacon]

I at least wanna snap up nice looking hero parses, I've given up on expecting good myth parses cuz all the spriests do fucky bullshit to parse

[dusky canopy]

dude I'm progging lura before post hof nerfs and the adds literally disintegrate there is no chance xd

[undone beacon]

I parsed good on our LBV kill cuz theres no add pad fuckery

But like, top spriest logs have the raid intentionally sandbagging on adds so they can dps

weh weh weh

[dusky canopy]

I wouldnt doubt it if people paid for parsing clears xdd

if not just wait for people to capitalize on that

[undone beacon]

This is where I'm sitting for myth parses, not fantastic but not turbo inting

[lusty grotto]

the amount of bullshit cheesing this season is insane

i dont think i remember a season so jam packed with it

[undone beacon]

Sitting much prettier in heroic tho

[vale escarp]

Hey Guys, I'm Itemlevel 284, is it worth waiting to upgrade my myth gear and first start upgrade weapon+shild+trikets to get over 285 for the cheaper upgrade or will it not be enought?

[undone beacon]

Got my lura aotc and i dont wanna go back to that boss

[undone beacon]

The cheaper upgrade is only for alts on slots you have upgraded on already

[dusky canopy]

no add pad on paladins

good lad

[undone beacon]

So getting 285 wont reduce the cost of things that arent upgraded yet on myth track on your warr

[vale escarp]

Got alts where i could push itemlevel from

[undone beacon]

Then it doesnt matter either way. You can try and optimize by getting myth of the dawn off of the voidcores, then sending crests on alts to make things cheaper on main sure

[daring marlin]

yep, WHICH SUCKS

[dusky canopy]

discount at 285 would have been the icing on the cake

to bad

[unique hill]

Hey guys

Looking to get into prot

[lusty grotto]

alright, welcome, read the icy-veins guide

[unique hill]

Just wanted to check in, see what people think about the spec

[undone beacon]

Its fun and its viable

[unique hill]

All I needed to know

[undone beacon]

If you like hitting people with a shield and not taking phys damage, you're set with pwarr

[dusky canopy]

its meta about 30% ahead and specific stats you need are 45% crit 26.5% haste

[lusty grotto]

brew

[undone beacon]

lmfao

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smash-bros-yoshi--k01KRFMKBNBDQ7P3XZ9M5KDEV79

[undone beacon]

Its not meta but its not bad by any stretch

[dusky canopy]

bro i know a tierlist gamer when i see one

[lusty grotto]

sheeeesh

[dusky canopy]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pikachu-pokemon-141--k01KRFMKVZF0VW4C8FADQCT57W8

[unique hill]

Well if its not meta then its not getting nerfed

[undone beacon]

Mans walks into the room and is facing down the firing squad jeez

[lusty grotto]

take that brew

this feller dropping based bombs

[dusky canopy]

my man i take it back

i like this guy

[lusty grotto]

right from the get go

[undone beacon]

Mans put his finger in the barrel of your gun looney toons style

[dusky canopy]

men of culture are my type

[undone beacon]

Gamer

[dusky canopy]

arms owns

[lusty grotto]

except when adds are just spread apart so your reap hits a huge number of 2

or when you fat finger bladestorm into a tilt flashbomb on egg phase

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

On that belo I was positoned to soak a quill and then someone crossed the other quill through me and i took both quills and fucking exploded

Was very rude

[lusty grotto]

lmao

aight im at 8/10

2 more for shield

[unique hill]

I have no idea what that means but it sounds hilarious

[undone beacon]

it means i was robbed of my parse

[unique hill]

Murder and mayhem

[sharp gale]

What you do to farm these ?

[lusty grotto]

just heroic reclear happy

and lfr now

i did like 5 ritual sites earlier but i got zero and got bored with it

[sharp gale]

Okok my guild is hesitating to do a normal run

[lusty grotto]

well better to wait until the hotfix is in tbh

[sharp gale]

For these, bc working ppl / it’s + a break week

RL and bunch of ppl are on vacation

[ivory barn]

all but 3 bosses lfr left lol

[lusty grotto]

im gonna hate myself if i chain wipe on lura or cosmos lfr

[sharp gale]

Still scarred by nzoth / demensius lfr

[stiff inlet]

are the voidcores usable on shields?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[stiff inlet]

idk why i read it was just weapon/trinket and assumed not lol ty

[lusty grotto]

i just did mine

[frosty mango]

Why we gotta farm 5 more

Kmn

[lusty grotto]

10/10

time to farm for 1h and trinkets

though... to be fair the only good myth trinket i have is heart of ancient hunger

[dusky canopy]

pog weapon! gz

[lusty grotto]

but we will see if i get into chim this week

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

you mean this chunker? 🙂

[dusky canopy]

thats sick

ill have mine soon

[unique hill]

Btw does race still matter or is whatever

[undone beacon]

Dwarf is best if you want to push title, otherwise doesn’t matter

[ivory barn]

Tempted to send my prot stuff first

[unique hill]

Title?

[undone beacon]

Top 0.1% of M+ score

You get a special title

“<Name>, the (Season) Hero”

This season is Umbral

Pash the Umbral Hero

[daring marlin]

funny how alts can juice the main's ilvl on certain pieces

if you get 285 on one character

game dumb

[dusky canopy]

oh yeah alt havers are eating really good

just dont upgrade any item to 289 on an alt

and you are max ilvl on main right now

[unique hill]

Oh that sounds absolutly impossible haha

Which guide is best to follow?

[undone beacon]

Icy veins

[unique hill]

Sweet

Thanks^^

[sharp gale]

Yes, I’m gonna open my 3 alt vault hoping for a belt

[daring marlin]

got a wonky warden set

two actually

kinda cool

[undone beacon]

What’s a wonky warden set

[sharp gale]

If I did it right I can upgrade everything minus my cloak to 289

[daring marlin]

when I was doing ritual sites

idk why

[undone beacon]

Ohhhh those

Prob cuz you finished the trading post for the 12th time

[daring marlin]

oh is that what it's from?

interesting

I had no idea lmaop

@lusty grotto saved some crests on that MC 2H

so that's cool

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

and the 1h/shield I got of rolling skyreach

[undone beacon]

Yeah its from the Trading Post Enthusiast achieve iirc

[daring marlin]

maybe next week I'll get gloves

[undone beacon]

I’m tempted to trade all my hero crests up into mythic because I’m lazy and don’t wanna farm for the myth crests lmao

And without turbo boost it’s not like they’re being used eventually anyways

[sharp gale]

I did it last week

[daring marlin]

that was a quick skyreach 10

[undone beacon]

Frostmourne healer, brave soul

[daring marlin]

I was blastin

was pretty fun tbh

[torpid pebble]

which is more correct icy veins or wowhead

[daring marlin]

IV

[torpid pebble]

aight

[frosty mango]

something is wrong here

[daring marlin]

GO ON

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[frosty mango]

ive highlighted the relevant parts for review

[lusty grotto]

i think you forgot someone

what a fucking god of a pally

[daring marlin]

lmfaooooo

[lusty grotto]

i swear to christ i do double that dps when healing but i could be wrong

from what i can see, its about the same i guess

you know whats funny is i dont think the weekend guild thought i could heal and i snagged that 95 first timing that myth chim

a whole 10k dps

shut up roid let me meme myself

[daring marlin]

STUPID THING SUCKS

GIMME MY CORES REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

doing ritual site with 5 is kinda bad

I think 2/3 is the sweet spot

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

yeah nim

[lusty grotto]

im so glad i didnt instantly hop on pally to grind lmao, ill just wait until tomorrow

[daring marlin]

wake me up when the boys ep 7 is out

[lusty grotto]

just 2 left right?

[daring marlin]

yup

[lusty grotto]

dope

[mystic cave]

2 including tomorrows? so one more after tomorrow?

[daring marlin]

ye

[mystic cave]

seems like a lot of loose ends for 2 episodes, but movies tell a whole story in less time so ill hold my pessimism

[fallow fern]

will Ascendant Voidcores work on shields?

[mystic cave]

ya

[fallow fern]

nice

[frosty mango]

is 95k overall really a 99 parse for a 14 seat?

thought itd be a lot lower

[heavy sparrow]

I'm itching too lol

[abstract arch]

got my voidclaw gauntlets

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mad-fish-sponge-bob-angry-gif-12369198217513035864

[carmine frigate]

Absolutely Goated vault.

All myth

[wooden lily]

But doesnt show picture

Oh

[carmine frigate]

How am I suppose to pick just one lol

I went Heart. Since we’re not reclearing void anymore on alleria prog

Will just re roll my heart out for a gaze

[shrewd cosmos]

What Ignore Pain + 8 effectiveness means ?

[unkempt hazel]

why u getting extra gaze lvl

or well all slots are higher

[wooden lily]

Gaze easier to get as well

[carmine frigate]

I believe it goes up in level defending on what boss you killed in raid. I downed paladins so everything scaled to that ilvl in vault

[unkempt hazel]

wicked

thought it was just for their own items, not entire row

[lunar flare]

you ignore more pain per cast

[lunar flare]

this is the stuff of dreams brother, you must have been so hyped

[unkempt hazel]

is warrior saved

[shrewd cosmos]

Thanks

[raven light]

I got all raid dps trinkets on 289, is there any simulation to see wich one is better defensive wise?

dont know if I can sim it myself on wlogs

raidbots*

[jagged pier]

u dont sim defensivness

which is fine cause suriviability comes from play

[dusty wedge]

Dilemma, as you can see I don't raid myth (yet, we're looking at going dream/early void myth). But both trinkets in vault, tempted to upgrade my champ heart and wait to see if I can potentially get gaze from myth dream (currently have myth puzzle box+champ hearth)

[lofty glen]

week 5 without a vault pick hell yea

[tall zealot]

Dumb question, is it worth sacrificing arcanoweave embellishment on a 259 shield to go up to a 272 shield from vault? I can't recraft my shield for ages

[open hinge]

both using crafted 😩 ⚔️ 🛡️

[coarse bay]

Youd def take the myth shield and move embellishment elsewhere

Myth shield > crafted

[tall zealot]

Legend, thanks

[dusty wedge]

Yeah, did the same. Got that weapon in next vault, just saving up crests now to fully upgrade + craft embellishment into other slot

[naive ravine]

I will probably craft a replacement for my embelishment on one of my hero slots

Cuz I dont want to spend 80 myth crest on another crafted piece rn

[jade tartan]

I'm sending it on my crafted Weapon.. cba to craft other items for the embelishments

[shrewd cosmos]

I collected one Ascendant Voidcore but after that in 10 runs I got 0 drops

Wtf

They are supposed to be uncapped right ?

[chrome falcon]

Does anyone know how much dps the alleria neck proc is if you have the nexus point rings as well

Me stupid me not sure how to sim zug zug

[chrome falcon]

man it's like 300 damage lmao

is there no way of getting more shadow damage procs for us?

[frozen rock]

Guys what trinkets should I use for m+?

[civic garnet]

Personnaly I play heart of Ancient Hunger and Heart of wind smth like that

[naive ravine]

Even a shadow priest in a dungeon would overall deal 0,3% with the chain

Its a cosmetic effect

[naive ravine]

The icy veins guide tells you that

[chrome falcon]

my warlock just said it's a 1500 dps upgrade for them but maybe they just like the stats a lot

[naive ravine]

Yeah its all about the stats

[chrome falcon]

255 haste is 255 haste anyway so

[coarse bay]

Theyre supposed to be uncapped but are currently rng

Tomorrow they’ll be 100% drop afaik

[coarse bay]

Ya it on its own isnt decision making, it’s a bonus if your spec likes the stats

[frozen rock]

It doesn't really say if ilvl matters more than the trinket itself. I don't raid much so I don't really plan on doing Mythic dreamrift (unless it's easy as a pug tank, but then again I got no logs so I don't think I'll get invited).

Should I aim for good hero trinkets or random M+ myth ones?

[naive ravine]

The only correct awnser is to sim yourself

But an not thag correcr awnser is to look at bloodmallet for a general opinion

On bloodmallet you see the basic performance of trinket compared to each other for many classes

A hero max upgraded allseeer is better then anything you can get

[floral zenith]

When is it possible to spec In To Frey (haste talent) over Heavy Repercussions?

Im at 700 haste (i think) and couldnt keep 100 % uptime if I switched

[naive ravine]

1188

But that doesnt mean you get 100% uptime

[floral zenith]

So isn’t is risky too spec in to it then? If I’m trying to push high Keys?

[naive ravine]

Yes and no

[floral zenith]

Is prot warrior squishy when Shield Block falls off?

[naive ravine]

Yes 100%

Its your main mitigation

You can still block most of the hits with ITF

[floral zenith]

So at 1188 haste I could keep 100 % uptime ?

[naive ravine]

But you need to know when to stun/kite

[naive ravine]

No but when you are confident enough you can make it work at that amount

[floral zenith]

By work you mean kite out a bit before it drops off?

[naive ravine]

Yes

Or stun when it falls off

Log your runs and look at how many blocked hits you have

If u can get more then 90% you are fine with ITF

Not perfect but fine

[floral zenith]

Is 1188 the unbuffed rating before it works?

[naive ravine]

Yes unbuffed

Standing in the city no consums

ITF basically is only worth it currently if you aim to doing the most dps possible

HR vs ITF is not that big of a deal in the early seasons

[floral zenith]

Hmm I feel like I checked mytic io and they only had like 1000 the best warriors, wonder how they do it with in to frey if they can’t keep SB up for an entire encountee

[naive ravine]

Alot also comes from running with good ppl

To a certain degree the group performance can cover some of those suboptimal plays

[naive ravine]

There are prot wars timing the highest keys while not running 4/4 apex

Skill > Talents etc

[serene wave]

I've seen most in high high keys take HR just in case, I have Ben pushing 16s and it's fine with ITF if you kite a tiny bit/stun to fill gaps (2-3 secs max)

[floral zenith]

Hmm yeah, so you have to decide 1) would I rather have 100 % uptime on SB and not die or 2) spec ITF and get a minor dps increase (but also more rage and ignore pain value)

[naive ravine]

When I simmed itf it was about 10k ish aoe dmg

[floral zenith]

Damn so it’s not a tiny amount it’s gaugaable

[naive ravine]

Its a decent bit

[floral zenith]

Where can I check the highest run a warrior has done, and what items spec etc he did

[naive ravine]

Raider io probably

[floral zenith]

Thanks bro

[naive ravine]

Other then that there is archon gg but that site has to be taken with a bit of care

Cuz its not that accurate

[naive ravine]

Np man

[unique hill]

hey guys

what's a good race for prot over on horde?

[floral zenith]

Dwarf bro

[jagged pier]

Whichever u like looking at

[unique hill]

went tauren

cow man for the win

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

Cow man > Goat man.

[serene wave]

Quick question, since they sim pretty similar is prism or vorasius heart better?

I feel like vorasius is slightly better overall but all top prots play mostly prism (I guess most don't raid that much tho)

[fringe mural]

This

Also dragon man is nice too

knockback instead of backpedal

„You guys move, i‘ll stay here“ on the adepts in sr

[strong forum]

whenever block is down, pretend youre literally dead if anything gets even close to you. Cuz thats whats gonna happen

unless its like a singular mob/boss that doesnt swing often or does anything special to you soon

❗ no block / getting hit in the back = literal death ❗

[lofty glen]

Using Puzzlebox = literal death

[strong forum]

macro SW to puzzlebox 🧠

[lofty glen]

or just playing endles hunger and gaze

[crisp ocean]

I have 1000 haste do I change my talent thing

[slender bison]

So I think they gonna patch EU with the void shard drops tomorrow daily reset?

[fringe venture]

Hey guys one question, do we know how many items we Will be able to upgrade with the.forge? I mean, if today I upgrade a Hero trinket, Will I be able in the future to upgrade another one? Or is there a cap?

[slender bison]

Uncapped

Go nuts

[fringe venture]

Ok thx, so I Will upgrade my HC plume while I dont get a myth trinket and then upgrade the myth one

[slender bison]

They're not a currency, they're just a consumable which you create when you have 5 of them

[fringe venture]

Yep I know but was not sure about cap. I have 3 myth items to upgrade but 1 HC trinket and didnt want to waste the consumables.
Also, in EU, we are not getting the consumables 100% chance from M+ yet right?

[slender bison]

No, seems it's tomorrow daily reset

Unless they ninja patch later in their morning (tonight EU)

Just farm rituals

Get DPS offspec to get invited to farm groups

[crisp ocean]

I think tier 1 farm is worse than doing lfr n stuff

[slender bison]

It's not

Since it's infinite

[unkempt hazel]

well lfr u can do once

[slender bison]

Lfr stuff is once

[unkempt hazel]

but yeah its worth to run that first

a lot of ppl going for shards, bosses die super quick

[slender bison]

And you get 100% tomorrow with heroic raids, which are afk at this point

[crisp ocean]

ohh nvm I forgot petko doesnt know what hes talking abt

my bad

[slender bison]

I understand your sarcasm, but T1 ritual with blasters is really fast

[crisp ocean]

2 times I listened to petko he was wrong lol wth

[unkempt hazel]

damn

[fringe venture]

Farming tier 1 rituals give 1 shard per run at the final vault? Inma do party with some Friends then to farm them today

[unkempt hazel]

sorry it happened to u

I havent done a single ritual yet so idk what to expect

[slender bison]

In a blaster group you do ritual every 2-3 minutes with 20% drop chance

It's faster even than mythic 10 tomorrow

[unkempt hazel]

what about non blaster grp

[slender bison]

Idk, just don't take healers

[unkempt hazel]

[fringe venture]

I didnt go rituals either🤣 so I Guess I Will go with Friends and we take a look togheter. I Guess the tactic IS Split and go do targets fast

[slender bison]

Yea

[sage grotto]

ive done like 10 and have yet to get one from rituals

[slender bison]

Have you did the quest?

[sage grotto]

yea ive upgraded my weapon already i cleared norm and heroic raids

[frozen berry]

It’s not 20%

[sage grotto]

yea id sya it has to be much lower cause ive done a good amount with nothing

why i went and did the raids

[ivory barn]

They did say they were heavily nerfing the non guaranteed things with the hotfix

[sage grotto]

yea they havent rolled out the hotfix yet tho when they do ill just cap my vault and get them

[midnight burrow]

did anyone test yet if its worth to go apax after the buffs ?

[severe star]

It always was go 4/4

[midnight burrow]

only ever saw 1/4 so thats what i played so far

[severe star]

There is a pin that fully explains why 4/4 is better

I'm new to prot myself but people here are quite helpful

[stiff inlet]

do we know when the 100% drop rate stuff is going into effect? i dont want to run delves for no reason lol

[sage grotto]

they said they will post about it when its live

[stiff inlet]

perfect ty

[daring marlin]

idk about that bro you can do some 10s in like 10-12 mins and it'll be guaranteed

ritual sites are garbage

[hollow aspen]

i finished farming for my weapon, shield and trinkets, it took me like 4h, so it's approx the same i woudl say if you blast +10 tomorrow

[naive ravine]

Yeah man go farm your ass off while the other just get their shit while doing normal weekly stuff

atleast u got it today

[upbeat plover]

Prot is omega s tier now right?

Clueless

[hollow aspen]

some peopel maybe just want to be optimized for the raid they may have tonight :v

[naive ravine]

I mean its up to you

[tribal wharf]

future boomer yogi pc

i dunno if i will take it THAT far and put actual retro parts in there, or like, those old speakers and discs but crt monitor yes

i think those style of speakers/kb is just objectively bad

crt has a ton of advantages but it is a long and complicated process to create them

no brightness issues, no vsync issue.

no fake frames because its being rendred at native

[slender bison]

CRT 100Wh consumption though

[tribal wharf]

crt is so much more superior

i will not be surprised in the least if we go back to them

knowing what we know now, and we can have them in 4k 12ohz

with a bunch of new technologies added

[slender bison]

Why? They're more expensive to make at scale, more energy hungry and shitty for your eyes

[tribal wharf]

i think the coming age of true advanced robotics will make it less complicated to do many many jobs

old days you need dozen or more machines and rudimentary machine or person

[flat cosmos]

Hello, I’ve freshly geared my warrior for my raid group before we go back to clearing mythic tonight. I’ve got a champ shield but enough crests to craft one, is it worth doing as even if one drops I’ll only need 20 crests to max upgrade that? I presume it really only wastes a spark?

[lusty grotto]

yup

youre probably not gonna use the spark for anything else, were you waiting for a drop this entire time?

oh freshly geared

just slam AAs and slam those bonus rolls, AA drops a decent 1h and a shield

as another option

[mild river]

M+ after this reset: thane or colossus? Doing 17s rn

[cunning oriole]

Had a guildie explain something to another player, and it made me curious...for tanking, do you use 2 or 3 builds (ST, Cleave, etc) for all content? Or do you have a different build for every boss and every m+?

[lusty grotto]

we're thane since last week

[mild river]

Ok thanks

[lusty grotto]

we use the same raid build for the most part

[cunning oriole]

I think I'm gonna do some research on Archon. But damn, it's not easy when some talents are only, like, the most popular at 24%

[lusty grotto]

no

use our icy-veins builds

archon is banned

it IS easy

the only swap you make is probably in dragons because ITF wont get enough benefit if youre not doing myth

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9CV2Y6Lj1Mf4DQWb?fight=16&type=damage-done

Interesting this colossus did a +21 pit with 120k dps. Granted there's a mt pwar that did same key with 122k but thats within realm of reset rng

[sage grotto]

i play as colossus the sim was like a 600dps diff plus i prefer the playstyle of it over thane

[lusty grotto]

idk how youre simming but thane is 11% over colossus

in aoe

around 5% in ST

[cunning oriole]

Thanks Nim. Where can I read up on why Archon is out of favor?

[sage grotto]

idk for me its very close

and i typically have better overall on colo than thane

[lusty grotto]

archon has always been out of favor

[cunning oriole]

😂 well, shit. Lol

[lusty grotto]

because agreggate sites dont give you context, you might be pulling from cheese parses, etc

[shy ocean]

With ftf buffs this week is their ant situation inside of m+ where it is now the preferred choice?

[lusty grotto]

no

its on a need to take basis

depending on the damage profile of the dungeon

[shy ocean]

So same as last week then

[lusty grotto]

if the dungeon leans physical damage (not counting bleeds) you go armor spec, if it leans magic damage you go fttf

yeah

[dusky canopy]

Apex talents are on a need to take basis?

[lusty grotto]

hell no

[digital galleon]

so icy veins builds it is, are they updated for todays buffs?

[lusty grotto]

wdym

yesterday's buffs you mean?

[dusky canopy]

Why does yoda not run phalanx

[lofty warren]

Archon would give itself credibility if instead of it using predefined metrics (like getting 95th percentile from x set) you could set your own filter values, have it give results, allow you to drill down to all the actual logs included in data set, and have export option

[lusty grotto]

no talent changes are necessary for small defensive buffs

[lusty grotto]

[shy ocean]

The other question I have are their any talent swaps that should be made for a key like how in seat we grab fearless

[lusty grotto]

sure

[dusky canopy]

I’d swap to fueled by violence after the buffs

[lusty grotto]

theres enough flex points, its easy to determine what you could swap

[lofty warren]

Can there please be a pin for which dungeons you should use tfft? I always have to scramble to try to find which ones. Even on nexus im not sure which

[cunning oriole]

Yeah, is there a cheat sheet of any kind that gives us the dmg profile for each dungeon, and maybe some talent swap suggestions?

I'm not looking for an easy button, I just want to get better

[lusty grotto]

no

if you understand what is hurting you, you should know what to change

if you dont, then youre not at the level that you need to worry about it

so you should not

[cunning oriole]

I don't disagree with that...but it does seem to be a self-defeating barrier to entry

I don't know what I don't know

[stiff inlet]

so i play shaman and we have

would be helpful for a quick reference guide

[lusty grotto]

entry level nothing will realistically kill you, you will outgear shit

unless you plan on hopping to 15s at ilvl 250

[lofty warren]

Is it correct to swap armor for tfft on the following dungeons?

[stiff inlet]

magic in AA id say for sure

[cunning oriole]

And if we want to get beyond entry level? Take a college course in theory crafting?

[shy ocean]

If the resources don’t exist people will never learn it’s the idea of I can’t learn if no one will teach

[dusky canopy]

How much vers do I need for 16AA?

[lusty grotto]

what is it you wish to learn

[cunning oriole]

This is pretty freaking awesome

[lusty grotto]

because we can teach the gameplay

but talent picks are only relevant in high enough keys

they wont help teach you anything

[stiff inlet]

you still need to know what each mobs do, but takes the mental load off at the start of each key

[plush tendon]

at least 7

[stiff inlet]

im not versed enough in prot or i would make oen

one*

[lusty grotto]

your gameplay and skill >>>> your talent picks

[cunning oriole]

I can do 10s-12s, no problem. I feel like if I want to do 14s and up, there is a wide chasm of knowledge I need to span

[stiff inlet]

everyone gets that, but this isnt black or white

[coarse bay]

Not really

[sage grotto]

alot of high end tanking cant really be taught it has to be experienced

[lusty grotto]

it pretty much is, read the conversation

[lusty grotto]

correct

[vital stirrup]

I did mine with 6

[coarse bay]

You overestimate the difficulty jump in key levels, just send it and try

[lofty warren]

What in AA is magic?

Is this the list? Bleed from pull 1, aoe damage when bird boss is red, beam from purple boss, aoe stomp from buff dragons before last boss, and basically all of last boss

[lusty grotto]

BATTLE AXES

[stiff inlet]

battle axes?

the hardest part of the dung lol

[coarse bay]

Until you die with perfect play, your talents are mist likely fine

[stiff inlet]

for me atleast

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

Sorry which one is battle axes? The mobs before purple mana boss?

[stiff inlet]

yea

[vital stirrup]

And on the bridge after

[smoky pollen]

The ones that look like axes

[cunning oriole]

Which, again, I don't disagree with. But going into higher end content with the wrong talents selected feels as bad as showing up without consumables or knowing the optimal route

[dusky canopy]

Generally, you have to understand how talents work, and then you need some sort of game knowledge to understand what is happening in a given scenario, and then you can use logic to understand why they’re using the talent

[coarse bay]

The axes

[lofty warren]

Yes those pulls seem to do more damage over time even when we are interrupting idk why or if its just that cds run out

[lusty grotto]

the icy veins raid builds are not "the wrong" talents

youre overthinking it

[stiff inlet]

they do a magic hit with every swing as well as a normal hit

[coarse bay]

They arent as impactful as you think, unless youre using awful talents

[sage grotto]

talents more often than not will not save u its ur knowlege of both the class and the dungeon that is going to do the heavy lifting talents are gonna spice certain areas up but its never going to be a crutch on ur survivability its all how you use your cds and where u put ur rage at any given point is what is really going to make or break any pull

[lofty warren]

Ok i understand aa, Mc, mt. What about nexus? Use tfft?

[stiff inlet]

i dont disagree here at all, i think the idea is if you can set your self up with little mental load before each key is all they were asking

[lusty grotto]

it depends on key level

[stiff inlet]

you still need to know what everything does, but if there is a quick swap you can do to HELP your self, why wouldnt you?

[lofty warren]

+16-+17

[lusty grotto]

same as skyreach

16/17 armor spec is fine

[cunning oriole]

Lol, well, I just learned about taking Fearless in Seat yesterday. I haven't even studied the ability from that first boss yet to know why Fearless is so useful

[lusty grotto]

because there is none

[cunning oriole]

It would be nice if there was a resource that explained little tips like that

[sage grotto]

spell reflect is real nice in seat can SR the first 3rd and last boss big ST

[plush tendon]

its not first boss, its the aoe dot circle thing from the trash packs before

[cunning oriole]

But I understand that this is an organic thing

[plush tendon]

it removes the dot from the scary dudes

[stiff inlet]

it is the chains from the subjugators

[cunning oriole]

Oh, yeah, that's right. See? Ignorance abounds lol

[plush tendon]

^

yea, those guys

[stiff inlet]

it removes that which means less damage

[plush tendon]

thank you for giving it context ryan XD

[lofty warren]

What in nexus is the magic damage?

The aoe pulse from right wing guys, yellow beam from right boss, aoe pulse from left miniboss, last boss when he splits into a bunch of copies

[lusty grotto]

no

[lofty warren]

Is thay right?

[lusty grotto]

the yellow slash is physical

so armor spec

[stiff inlet]

see i think this is what people need right, a quick guide to what talents may help where Situationally

because I know that helps, but i never took fearless (it wasnt NEEDED at my level, cleared 15 seat) but it would have helped

but i could have to help my healer quickly

[lusty grotto]

could have

should have

did you time?

[stiff inlet]

i did and im not disagreeing that you need them

[lusty grotto]

so why does the could have / should have matter?

[stiff inlet]

because the next one may not? Learning what is helpful is well helpful

[plush tendon]

I think in general its a good idea

I just dont have the bandwidth to make one myself

[lusty grotto]

but you did learn, did you not?

[stiff inlet]

no i didnt

[lusty grotto]

by your own accord

[stiff inlet]

i legit just learned it just now

[lofty warren]

Ok if the yellow slash is not magic then where is the big magic damage in nexus? Ofc on left wing arcane explosion + bombs if they blow up are magic but those are avoidable

[stiff inlet]

and looked up what fearless did

[lusty grotto]

well thats kind of a shame

[stiff inlet]

lol

it is as my warrior is an alt, i know the dung start to back, as i do 17s on a healer

but i dont know the warrior tree front to back yet

so a quick guide would have helped

[coarse bay]

It would be a lot of work for someone to pool together all tips and tricks in the dungeons tbh

[shy ocean]

Needing something is not the same as making it smoother. Making things smoother just can make the game more fun. And if know why talents can be situationally swapped and then making them in the right situations can make the game more fun

[stiff inlet]

'

i mean something similar if we crowd sourced it

[coarse bay]

Feel free to work on it

[stiff inlet]

wouldnt be the end of the world

[lusty grotto]

look forward to it

[stiff inlet]

i would love to, i know fearless for snares now 😂

we have a full spell reflect guide so that can be referenced

[cunning oriole]

Right? If I knew enough to make such a thing
...

[coarse bay]

I mean i cant think of that many talent based decisions dungeon. By dungeon, itd be a matter of research

[sage grotto]

there isnt a whole lot

[coarse bay]

I dont think it matters in faceroll keys

Hold w

Shield block

[sage grotto]

for the most part i really dont change my talents around

[coarse bay]

I only change talents in seat

[stiff inlet]

if there really isnt much thats fine too, then it will be quick, i think the idea of the inital question was is there much that people change and the answer came as "figure it out"

[coarse bay]

Like i said, if u die with perfect play then you can reevaluate your talents and routes etc

[cunning oriole]

That's the info I came looking for. If no one is really doing it, I'm not gonna worry about it too much

[stiff inlet]

ty for the fearless info tho

i will use that lo

[sage grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/717325? this is my loadout and i typically dont change it all that much

[lofty warren]

I have an addon that shows when im in dungeon before key starts that shows specific talents regardless if I have it enabled or not + what the talent can be used on. For example as brew is shows dispel talent and says that on MC the dot from first boss can be removed with that talent.. so something like that kinda exists but it doesnt show things like which defensive talent should be used for pwar to reduce magic or physical damage

[cunning oriole]

Thanks mate, I'll take a look after work

[stiff inlet]

Thats kind of what id be looking fod

[lofty warren]

Tell me where the big damage damage is in nexus and I'll try to find the name of that addon

[sage grotto]

imo the only real dmg for prot in nexus is left side

right is kinda a joke

[lusty grotto]

lol

youre not doing high enough keys

which goes back to "it depends on key level" to what i told you pepega

again

16/17 you can stick with armor spec

it's fine

you wanna see the damage breakdown, go through logs

[cunning oriole]

I'll be that guy, what is "armor spec"?

[lusty grotto]

put that in your talent tree search

[vital stirrup]

bottom left is armor spec

other one is fttf

amor is 6% armor
fttf is 6% magic dr

[dusky canopy]

Why is revenge in the talent tree?

[cunning oriole]

Oh. Duh

[vital stirrup]

where else would it be?

[dusky canopy]

Spell book maybe?

[maiden forge]

Why isn't revenge replacing whirlwind, and shield slam replacing slam

[plush tendon]

they mentioned this when these talent trees came out, but they include 'leveling spells' in the talent tree

[lusty grotto]

because John Blizzard shot a dart and it landed on this implementation

[plush tendon]

to make the leveling experience feel more rewarding (like in classic when you would get a goodie at a certain level)

[maiden forge]

It hurts seeing clueless prot warriors pressing whirlwind in keys

[plush tendon]

even if yes, revenge should just be baseline prot

[undone beacon]

She whirl on my wind til i revenge

[vital stirrup]

could make the same argument for many spells/specs

its just to pad out the tree i guess

[plush tendon]

yea, at max level it feels like padding out the tree

but if you are a new player, you might get excited seeing you get a new spell like revenge at like level 12

idk

[undone beacon]

back in my day, you just got spells at certain levels and you liked it

[sharp gale]

How it is placed on the tree = revenge is baseline on prot

[maiden forge]

False, MS, BT, and SS were all in the talent tree

[sharp gale]

50 things hidden in the spell book was a big issue of mop system

[plush tendon]

I preferred that tbh

[sharp gale]

I prefer mop talents, but i acknowledge having 10 passives in the spell book was not intuitive

[maiden forge]

Gross, bloat

[plush tendon]

MoP talents had less options, but more choice

[undone beacon]

My day was MoP

[plush tendon]

current trees give the illusion of choice

[maiden forge]

Oh lol

[undone beacon]

Since we're comparing current to mop style lol

[sharp gale]

I would have prefered if they did basically hero talents -> spec tree, no choice except choice nodes

[maiden forge]

I like choice

But I hate the illusion of choice

[plush tendon]

the wod talent tree

[maiden forge]

Like AM in the class tree

[plush tendon]

[maiden forge]

Every spec will take AM

[lusty grotto]

yep that was the case

[jagged pier]

comapred to the mop tree this is ass

[undone beacon]

See but with the new system you can take War Machine, Punish, and Devastator at the same time

I do like that the new trees allow for you to just have more stuff lol

Mobility and a stun competing on the same row, cring

[plush tendon]

If memory serves me right, I think that was the big complaint of old talent trees

you couldnt grab all the things you want and you had to make too many trade offs

which is where the current tree does well

[sharp gale]

unstoppable force

[crisp ocean]

what’s smth good to replace puzzle box?

[plush tendon]

bfa?

[sharp gale]

y

[plush tendon]

good tree

[lusty grotto]

yeah so good augusto

deciding between BV and Devastator

EXTREMELY GOOD

[sharp gale]

kinda funny rumbling earth is kinda a choice with stormbolt now

[lusty grotto]

people in here asking about ravager, when it was right next to AM

true story

the only good thing about that tree was that safeguard was still there

[sharp gale]

and : unstoppable is born

[coarse bay]

I think the trees for pwar are pretty well done, but some other specs/classes are pretty bad imo and could use the old system

Or just actually well done trees

[lusty grotto]

nostalgia is kind of a bitch

the trees can be done better

but going back to these 3 node trees is aids

[coarse bay]

Ya some of them just need work

Some specs dont change talents for any content besides 1-2 things

Imo that is the same as a 3 choice node

But worse

[undone beacon]

Remove talents, make everything baseline, bring back Azerite gear

[coarse bay]

Some trees just need a big look at

[undone beacon]

There game is fixed

[coarse bay]

How do u guys feel about abilities being in the tree

Instead of baseline

And talents altering

[tribal wharf]

i have like lvl 150 heart neck

never again

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

i did more than enough of BFA

[daring marlin]

naw

[coarse bay]

My biggest gripe of abilities in a tree is still gorefiends grasp

[daring marlin]

not even

[tribal wharf]

no

hell no

[lusty grotto]

3 BoM 1 DC baby

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

i legit have like everything out of bfa now lmao

[plush tendon]

Gorfiends/slappys basically always taken

[tribal wharf]

everything i could want at least

[plush tendon]

due to pathing

[coarse bay]

But gorefiends wasnt taken last expac

[daring marlin]

slappyhands SUCKS

[undone beacon]

I didnt do a ton of bfa cuz i had just started college and my guild had fallen apart in uldir

[coarse bay]

Such an iconic spell

[daring marlin]

BUFF SLAPPERS

[plush tendon]

oh yea, War Within Gorfiends was a bitch to take

[lusty grotto]

3x BoM 1x DC 👢 🍵 👏

that was BFA

[coarse bay]

I wouldve played more tww bdk if it was taken or baseline

[plush tendon]

my BDK was sidelined pretty quick in WW

I do miss old blood beast though

[sharp gale]

[lofty warren]

I understand. My question is "what is the big magic damage coming from that is causing some ppl to take fttf in nxp?" I get i can go look at logs but I was hoping to get this without digging.

For example - on AA it was all those things + magic axes that apply a magic hit whenever they do damage. Now that I know that battle axes also apply magic i now know to use Sr when fighting those

[sharp gale]

that's a strong AM in bfa

[vital stirrup]

Getting an early beast first pull in meadery

[coarse bay]

I just think some talents that are definitely going to be taken no matter what could maybe be removed from tree and more game changing choices added. But theyd need to super nail the balancing which is unrealistic

[plush tendon]

[vital stirrup]

Isn't that always the case? If you remove current must pick then something else becomes must picks

[coarse bay]

Thats why i said theyd have to nail balancing

It would be near impossible, but i can dream

[vital stirrup]

Fair

[plush tendon]

BDK rework in .7; gonna make blood beast great again

I can sense it

[vital stirrup]

I do hope they do something to blood

[lilac olive]

bdk is getting rework?

[vital stirrup]

Was the first tank I started playing but it just dosent feel good to me rn

[plush tendon]

not confirmed, but if I say it enough

maybe I can will it into existence

[lilac olive]

they need to remove dnd from rotation asap

like they did with prot pala consecration

[blazing shuttle]

At least it's leech.... eh...

[undone beacon]

they should actually make bdk rely more on D&D

[plush tendon]

personally, I think they need to make DnD stronger for aoe

[undone beacon]

Your blood beast cant leave the dnd radius

[plush tendon]

its such a iconic ability for blood

[undone beacon]

[vital stirrup]

Ngl I would love to get that over speed

[plush tendon]

but it could be a balancing problem; one good thing about blood is that their aoe damage has a lot of uncapped spells

like blood boil and blood plauge

[vital stirrup]

They need to give san something to help bs management

Just doing raw marrow rend is just not it

[plush tendon]

remember when blood boil gave a boneshield charge as san

cause I do

[vital stirrup]

Yes

Give it back

Now

[lofty warren]

Bdk either strongest tank or dumpster in m+ due to fundamental design of self healing

[plush tendon]

boneshield management is one of the worst mechanics that blood has to deal with

already got enough spinning plates to worry about

[vital stirrup]

Im missing bonestorm ngl

[coarse bay]

I didnt realize they took it away

Why

[plush tendon]

great question

[vital stirrup]

San legit has nothing outside of apex procs to help with bs

[plush tendon]

Ive questioned a lot of design choices regarding blood for years

[plush tendon]

bonestorm and tombstone were annoying buttons to press, but the damage from shattering bones when you used them was great for initial threat

also, prunning away slappys, then giving us a version that doesnt do damage was also a questionable decision

[vital stirrup]

Certainly a choice of all time

[plush tendon]

OG slappys actually made doing pulls in M+ quite fun

you could be like 'oh yea, slappy pull' and know you can safely pull multiple packs

without worry

[vital stirrup]

Was one of my favorite buttons

[plush tendon]

now its basically just RNG death grip

[vital stirrup]

I only started playing bdk in df

But man

I loved it

[plush tendon]

I had a lot of fun in Blood for DF

[coarse bay]

Slappy was super fun, idc about the balancing of it

They removed it because theyre dying on the hill of the raid buff

Gorefiend still cooler though

I say give bdk both

And make champion spear a grip too

[vital stirrup]

Fights designed around grips feel fucking miserable if you dont have one

[plush tendon]

Slappyhands used to fill a similar niche like divine toll does for prot paladin

[vital stirrup]

I hate it so much

[plush tendon]

100% agree

5/9 fights this tier are grip required

[blazing shuttle]

Fights should not be based around one mechanic

[vital stirrup]

I dont think any other raid buff is felt so much when you dont have it

[blazing shuttle]

That only ONE fucking class has.

[plush tendon]

and not having grip on any of them is hard grief

[vital stirrup]

If you wanna be technical you can do it without with good use of ring of peace etc

But man

[plush tendon]

heck, you need multiple DKs to fill the niche

[vital stirrup]

Can we just not design it like this

[plush tendon]

I cant imagine doing Belo, Crown or Lura without at least one DK (two for Crown and Lura)

legit impossible

[undone beacon]

hah, done with this stupid soiree

[vital stirrup]

Nice

[vital stirrup]

True

Only done hc and we didn't have a dk

[plush tendon]

and Dragons? I guess we need double BDK

[vital stirrup]

Wouldn't recommend

[undone beacon]

our backup bdk that we make 3rd tank dragons is out this week and we're scrambling to get someone elses bdk ready

dumb fight

[plush tendon]

its why my warrior is going by 7/9 mythic

even though its my main

forced onto the BDK for Dragons and now Lura

[undone beacon]

Honestly raid this tier is kinda weak lmao
Way too much bullshit pad, way too much DK reliance

[sage grotto]

same

[undone beacon]

Also Voidspire as a setting is kinda whatever

Like its cool that most of it you can go to in the open world but

[plush tendon]

the best part about this tier is that its split into 3 raids

so you can extend in one

but still do the others

no worries

[undone beacon]

yeah its kinda chill

Also being able to pop into dreamrift after staring at black and blue and purple for hourse

[plush tendon]

Mythic Chim might be a meh fight

but the fact it drops a BiS trinket and can done every week

without screwing up prog lockout

is poggies

my only gripe this tier is that they stuck the first 2h drop on Paladins

and the second 2H drop is from Lura

[daring marlin]

STINKY HASTE 2H GROSS

[plush tendon]

oh, and the first boss in Voidspire has still refused to drop a single shield

[undone beacon]

We havent seen a single gun drop off imperator lolol

[plush tendon]

we got extras

[tribal wharf]

TINY CREATURES UNDER FEET, YOU BRING GARFROST SOMETHING GOOD TO EAT

[plush tendon]

pretty sure those are either DEed now

or giving it to the warlocks for memes

[undone beacon]

Felguards with motherfuckin guns

[daring marlin]

don't craft shield if you raid mythic

they said

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

I did in fact craft shield

good thing I did

luck=terrible

[daring marlin]

yeah augusto is a knower

never plan around drops

frankly

[plush tendon]

tbh, I did wait

I actually got a myth shield in my first vault

[coarse bay]

Actually ya i havent seen a shield or gun drop either

[daring marlin]

marc andreeson egghead mf

[plush tendon]

but took something else cause I was like 'surely the first boss is gonna drop a shield soon'

and I had a crafted shield already

[undone beacon]

Many such cases

[plush tendon]

it all worked out though

ya boi just needs nexus point rings and to craft a back

and gear=done

[daring marlin]

why did they give dk horse

losers

[undone beacon]

Cloth pants dropped one time off imperator, the one week i was out

[plush tendon]

at least until the .7 raid

[undone beacon]

"How do we make sure people do the new raid more than once?"

I wonder how bonus rolling is going to work with the random stats