Gonna take a whack at this
#protection
ivory barn
harsh trellis
After you set the settings you have to go back into the graphics settings in windows forr nvidia and tell the card to prefer performance
lusty grotto
also there's 0 need to nuke addons, just disable one by one
ivory barn
If you want to burn the card and leave it at 100% power sure
5900x at 5.4 and a 3080oced shouldn't have 50fps lol
harsh trellis
I use ellesmere
lusty grotto
talking to gg
harsh trellis
And have 0 issues
lusty grotto
since he has windtools bar up top
ivory barn
elvui windtools are a considerable drop
that right there could be the cause
harsh trellis
174fps
ivory barn
Yeah, I prefer build my own
lusty grotto
MRT + NSRT at the same time is also an fps drop
elvui raid frames are also an fps drop
ivory barn
MRT + NSRT at the same time is also an fps drop
Never used those
ivory barn
elvui raid frames are also an fps drop
base blizzard I'll try that
lusty grotto
ATT, TSM or any addon that serves 0 purpose in raid (or whatever) are also fps drops
ivory barn
Yeah I was saying I'll use it instead
harsh trellis
So start small
lusty grotto
you can use ElvUI and enable blizzard frames
ivory barn
I installed it to see if the issues still existed. The issues I guess are what I enable
lusty grotto
Elvui -> UnitFrames -> Disabled Blizzard Frames and uncheck Raid
then go to Group Units and disable Raid 1, Raid 2, Raid 3
stoic hound
I'm not sure its 100% but I read somwhere party and raid frames are very heavy on performance, so defenetly try standard to check the fps
harsh trellis
Side note. That's why I like ellesmere. Not running an mlm here but that addon is cool af. It will tell you what its not compatible with and allow you to either disable his or your preferred addon
stoic hound
Side note. That's why I like ellesmere. Not running an mlm here but that addon i...
yep totally agree
ivory barn
Disable all useless add-ons and disable shit that isn't needed 🧐 retesting after
undone beacon
disable ALL ADDONS play the game like papa blizz intended 
ivory barn
That's what I guess made me disable it in the first place, why use something if you have to disable all the shit
"here eat this apple, but cut 90% off"
harsh trellis
Just tell us the real issue
Say the quiet part out loud
You want to play guardian
lusty grotto
@ivory barntry BetterAddonList and set profiles for different content, unfortunately you gotta remember to load the profiles and /reload
im not sure if there's another option for that that auto swaps based on zone id, but its a start
plush tendon
You want to play guardian
right before it gets taken out back
ivory barn
You want to play guardian
I play a shield class, not one you stare at fur 
ivory barn
<@156983798272098304>try BetterAddonList and set profiles for different content,...
I think 90% of the issue is what I baked into elv
Gonna delete all the accessories to it and start there
crisp ocean
i think seat is the best cuz it has so many items tbh
undone beacon
If you wanna work on clearing the seat loot table, go for it
ivory barn
Considering all I swapped was Elvui for UUF 
stoic hound
what graphics card does everyone have
if you are building up a pc for wow, buy ryzen ones cpu with x3d
I'll get mine next month finally
lusty grotto
yes and especially now, make sure you buy 128gb of DDR5 ram!
ivory barn
And make it not a pre built
undone beacon
If you want to play wow you need 15 gigazorps of RKU and at least a MK 5.36 Grungle card
lusty grotto
for only a cheap 10k dollars!
daring marlin
also dont forget 4 m.2 ssds!
LMAOOOOO
plush tendon
if you are building up a pc for wow, buy ryzen ones cpu with x3d
100%
I just got some new pc parts
ivory barn
Go get a nasa PC, and complain it's still slow 
plush tendon
got a 7800X3D and a 9070XT
plush tendon
yes and especially now, make sure you buy 128gb of DDR5 ram!
gonna need a second mortgage to get that
heavy sparrow
Go get a nasa PC, and complain it's still slow <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
Instructions unclear, using NASA powered iPhone 4
tribal wharf
could not resist the sale of the boomer pc cases
they will be used to build something
fringe mural
i still have my i9-10850k from 2019
works gud
and if my hard drive gets full i
wait for it
delete other shit
civic garnet
got good perfs with a i7 12700
heavy sparrow
Even the old TVs are super $$. Edit: CR-TVs
civic garnet
got good perfs with a i7 12700
Except in cities where there is a lot of people
fringe mural
we wait for AI to either crash or take over the world, either way ram will get cheap again
yay
jagged pier
Why not both?
ionic fern
ivory barn
Time to snipe an addon folder, fuck all these addons
I tried disabling things. I'm just going nuclear
stable raft
is colossus just not worth to play at all in m+?
lusty grotto
you can play it if you like it
its viable
thane has better overalls and an easier time gathering
but
if you can make colossus work, you can make it work
ivory barn
Gonna raw dog wow for a few days and see what no add-ons at all except Enhanced QoL is like
plush tendon
Gonna raw dog wow for a few days and see what no add-ons at all except Enhanced ...
Thats a great idea; the more add-ons you can prune, the better the game runs
and slowly add in things you absolutely need
ivory barn
^
undone beacon
Just install the top 100 addons on curseforge and go from there ez
theyre top 100 for a reason
undone beacon
Yes
lusty grotto
like 5 people have already mentioned it
harsh trellis
Allow me to pepega then
lusty grotto
well 6 now
harsh trellis
Did pepega ?
undone beacon
this is a 13 seat not a 20 wrs 4head
lusty grotto
yeah and the 20 was a chinese team
harsh trellis
this is a 13 seat not a 20 wrs 4head
Dont come at me with your truthiness
lusty grotto
and it was a WRS
undone beacon
I want to yell at people so hard their wounds close
daring marlin
I want to yell at people so hard their wounds close
lol
undone beacon
Tell your party to ignore pain and they simply will
ivory barn
Watch this end up with like 300fps
harsh trellis
undone beacon
Scariest feeling in the world
Responding to a vendor email
And 5 mins later the VP of my division calls me
about said email
silk fox
Is 232ilvl to low for mythic dungeons? Was gonna start out with M0
harsh trellis
And 5 mins later the VP of my division calls me
wtf , thats some good ole boy network shit
does the vendor know your vp
tribal wharf
undone beacon
wtf , thats some good ole boy network shit
No it was more "hey i saw you sent that email, uhhh i guess nobody told you but we're doing something different with them now so maybe you shouldn't have said exactly what you said but its fine" 
harsh trellis
Thats why I no longer talk to vendors or any sales people
lusty grotto
as a senior dev i respond to them regularly
lusty grotto
i'd rather not to, but somewhere along the line i helped a little too much with clients/stakeholders and i pidgeon holed myself, shit does not get done or is not clear enough when i dont do it
harsh trellis
at some point I decided to stop giving good ideas
cause you end up owning it
but that backfires
lusty grotto
i get that
harsh trellis
and I end up owning all the bad ideas too
lusty grotto
but also the only way to do exciting stuff is to give those ideas
harsh trellis
also
ALL of this shit will be over one day
the ride will end
and we will all be like WTF
so just enjoy the good and the bad
lusty grotto
its totally normal to be in a state of quiet quitting and active
i do it all the time
lusty grotto
it happens
maiden quiver
Do we know yet how limited the ascendant voidcores will be?
lusty grotto
the word is they will drop like catalyst charges
ivory barn
maiden quiver
So no hard weekly limit as far as we know or anything?
lusty grotto
no idea
wooden lily
Some folks think they're limiting one every 4 weeks based on the article
maiden quiver
I seriously doubt it will be that slow
undone beacon
As far as we know, we don't know shit. We'll find out tomorrow
The official blizzard statement is:
Following the Voidforge's construction, Decimus will ask players to assist him in crafting the Ascendant Nilhammer, a powerful tool capable of manipulating Ascendant Voidcores to empower worthy equipment. Upon completing this warband-wide journey, players may begin acquiring Ascendant Voidcores from Midnight Season 1 endgame content including raids, Mythic+ dungeons, Bountiful Delves, and Nightmare difficulty Prey Hunts.
ivory barn
The official blizzard statement is:
*Following the Voidforge's construction, Dec...
let's make ALL content viable
undone beacon
lusty grotto
mental lynx
:,)
undone beacon
3% extra dr on phalanx tho thats huge, massive even
once and for all end the 1/4 apexers
mental lynx
I wish it was easier to talent into the 30% heal from shield wall
lusty grotto
jk javelineer is pretty massive, but its certainly on the top 5
mental lynx
Being able to shield wall then impending victory feels so nice
lusty grotto
its so nice im never gonna talent it
undone beacon
You want to hit Shield Wall before you get into the hp range where you need IV
mental lynx
If you ever have to double shield wall
I only use it specifically for the nexus point lust pull because that shit is giga aids
mental lynx
I’ve been killed by that pull so many times
lusty grotto
last stand is hard banned on my talents
turns out
you can reset the heal absorbs
without dropping a point (or two) in those talents
fierce juniper
last stand owns and anyone who doesn't take it is a silly goose
lusty grotto
Marok
fierce juniper
undone beacon
the fuck is a green name
mental lynx
Hunter
cedar kite
the fuck is a green name
Odyn
mental lynx
Evoker
fierce juniper
dang i forgot about that pic
undone beacon
Well duh i see its an odyn but what does that mean Nim give me the skyhold lore
undone beacon
Ohhhh slick
fierce juniper
cuz im special 
undone beacon
Special boy
mental lynx
Special how?
lusty grotto
big special
fierce juniper
in the head mainly
undone beacon
Almost as special as APB and his Official Feelycrafter role
lusty grotto
well he was
undone beacon
Yeah, which is why he has green name now
undone beacon
This calls for a picmix
lusty grotto
lol
undone beacon
lusty grotto
mental lynx
😏
lusty grotto
tclap just 👢 🍵 👏 time reminder
mental lynx
Boot tea clap
fierce juniper
https://i.imgur.com/xx2RfnI.png
not like this
mental lynx
Thunderclap applies rend
ivory barn
Friendly reminder. UI is friend not food
lusty grotto
well see
have you heard of
you know what
lets just say yes it does and leave it at that
warm plinth
https://i.imgur.com/xx2RfnI.png
Ngl i need a maroksmirk emoji from this photo
tribal wharf
https://tenor.com/view/family-learning-channel-rejected-cartoons-gif-7495809
what a great film
mental lynx
Unfortunately it was rejected
analog lily
we use spell reflection on lightbound's judgment or the ability after judgment??
lusty grotto
ability after
lusty grotto
but you can pre cast it
you cant reflect judgment
just cast it as soon as you taunt
tribal wharf
its not exactly the one im thinking of but its same artist
one of them has a part where they are seeing like vietnam flashback
daring marlin
https://i.imgur.com/xx2RfnI.png
chad
ivory barn
Gonna tell the guild I'll be late to raid so I unfuck this UI
ivory barn
Loot lock him
woven trellis
This table makes no sense, prolly gen AI
ivory barn
Makes sense to me
woven trellis
If anything, having lower ilvl but higher io should get you invited in higher key than same ilvl but lower io
But it doesn't reflect that
ivory barn
2kio with 200 ilvl spells carried to me
valid violet
Hi guys, can someone who has more experience with keys tell me why I couldn't +2 this key was it the route, my damage (wasn't the best tbh) or the comp?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CPwtJv19KVxjrAMy?fight=3&type=damage-done
I'm new to making groups in m+ and I'm trying to learn damage profiles and optimize routes in order to get better any insight would be appreciated.
Mistakes - 1 ninja pull, x 1 90% group wipe (because noone kicked the 2nd boss - I was too far away and I didn't have Shattering or Wrecking throw specced)
ivory barn
Wrecking throw doesn't actually work on bosses to interrupt, if it's the boss itself
lusty grotto
Hi guys, can someone who has more experience with keys tell me why I couldn't +2...
getting routing from a log is kinda rough
but
all of you are doing supbar dps
ESPECIALLY the shaman
whos 281, doing 94k
valid violet
getting routing from a log is kinda rough
route : !TrvWYTjmq0FjleiIpM0CPxizQ8Kd9WofBV4slw0cIu7l9BVsReWkAgRHz8YtV3BFReGaoa66ZN7nVHdJT9gOsjYa9P(U(HxR7qRf)SPPNGnz7)KVER5c80gmNVbv5Gf0w8M75x6NS4F)wbO7p(d8KD0rGR8u7zq)1Fx9s99IJF)Lhb971DtON9ttddOX(6uxhujYxkONo2HVJ(IGgn417poo2EXC19UiRrKppzUG9gYkch4rSZPSVNo43SNuh4F5eymuz9HZ6vzqvHdqLqgRLrljTYPvbTueQcs7kz0c(Sa0nnsSPHKkWHKrtbJgfTkjMuefwpmMJu02kx0I7Ovb9YThzc(abz)cXuJh3PxISzXOUmBbXCLevQYtIh5MovIlyYw2l3VIeNUpnAebRks9Qm4UcoPYesZ5gRG4qLySMJsEIKfBPDj6KNMgkE0lNhgSqjrvriIeYzRMoqi5vloKB(W)YNLTK3M5C9eHixuKOBODPdYB01R6(zDxpFA9NioWmqjxKYng3pFsDQIH06pxDGP4EkO)GtzLjLIJuXoFv1)n4wqRs6)uVT9A1UaZIi1cMVQfHjWIV2TELOmr984UZMnwYz3W2eI1mmoIeQpaY2VaegXXHeBItFDz7T31u2Z3dCfNdV8KKNU7TGjEAKq6)Pp3200EAQZE3)g9Fq8N(3RpnG1w88t3jY6QhhdFSe0M6RiOFREO9gODO6Uc6NhQrJtppLW)(d
ivory barn
Wall of text
lusty grotto
use threechest.io
or keystone.guru
that pull #2 is illegal
everything else is fine ig
valid violet
haha ok but also how can I figure out mistakes in runs and understand damage profiles better?
lusty grotto
its a 14 so you really wouldn't need a lock skip into 3rd boss room
valid violet
use threechest.io
thanks
lusty grotto
haha ok but also how can I figure out mistakes in runs and understand damage pro...
youre overthinking it
if you want to make such an exercise you need to understand whether the class you take are 2 min andies or 90s andies
and theres not a lot of room to routing in the current dungeons to account for cds
valid violet
if you want to make such an exercise you need to understand whether the class yo...
I'm a Andy haha
alright so what happens if they're 90s or 2min?
ivory barn
Sizes of pulls honestly
valid violet
size of the pull without it being illegal (i.e. pull #2)
Right to jail!
ok will keep in mind
lusty grotto
not only the size, but also any inefficnet mobs
any mob that has a massive HP pool should be sent on cds
both dps and healers
but again, this season is pretty press W
theres very little you can optimize
valid violet
Ok gotta do more dps as well 60-70k isn't that much.
damn thanks guys!
ivory barn
but again, this season is pretty press W
lusty grotto
if you wanted to play the routing game you need to go back 2-3 expansions
valid violet
wasn't tank back then :/
lusty grotto
dont overthink it
just know what mobs are dangerous and what arent
check cds or ask for cds
understand what mobs do
ivory barn
Before or after packs I normally just type "CDs?"
And if 2+ DPS say yes the pull gets bigger
lusty grotto
pull #2 is illegal because you have 2 chains and 2 little elementals which pulse damage, and 0 cds because you just lusted
your healer is gonna have to either man up and infinitely hate you, or you just wipe
and nimchipadin would 100% hate you
ivory barn
I would pull the small adds in the back with 1 before I'd pull both of those after lust
valid violet
Will factor in the CD”s part
ivory barn
I wish we could see people's CDs, but daddy blizz took em away
lament zealot
Is col doing better on average because the sample size is so small or were people just wrong about thane doing better DPS?
lusty grotto
and/or mini cc
ivory barn
ex windtools is working again
I obliterated my UI already
lusty grotto
Is col doing better on average because the sample size is so small or were peopl...
we're not wrong about thane
ivory barn
Is col doing better on average because the sample size is so small or were peopl...
Where is this list?
valid violet
btw I have to ask and this is non tanking question - what do you do when
The route and healer is good but the dps aren't pumping?
I noticed people who don't pump are quite toxic - like : 'Pull too big' - 'Pull too small'..
lusty grotto
thane was just buffed last tuesday, it also depends on the time of those logs
lusty grotto
btw I have to ask and this is non tanking question - what do you do when
The r...
you have to adapt with what you got
up to a certain point
after that point, you just ignore
theyre the ones that will go back to Looking-for-group simulator
sharp rover
btw I have to ask and this is non tanking question - what do you do when
The r...
Sometimes, the key fails.
ivory barn
If they can't do dmg in say a 10, that's not a u issue
sharp rover
valid violet
ok thanks guys!
sharp rover
Is col doing better on average because the sample size is so small or were peopl...
Possibly selection bias. If a prot warrior is skilled enough to decide they'd rather play Colo, they're likely not a schlub doing 50k dps
With that said 112k overall is pretty bloody high
ivory barn
Tier lists
lusty grotto
why does this one look so diferent
how are we copy pasting the same table
from 2 weeks ago when colossus got buffed
cerulean tusk
Will say tho, Col pumps DPS that is for sure. 90k seems to be where I land in my 1/4 build for fun 
If only dps did more DPS, I would do bigger number
ivory barn
lusty grotto
Is col doing better on average because the sample size is so small or were peopl...
where are you getting this table from
because it is 100% not the one that's up
lament zealot
A friend linked in to me and he isn't responding, as soon as he does I'll link it where he got it from.
lusty grotto
smh my head
if that friend copy pasted a pic
would you believe it was true
its the internet after all
you need context
cerulean tusk
I mean, even your updated ones, show Col on top
lament zealot
Yeah, he mostly just brought up because col was above and I told him it's probably because it was way less parses. He argued people doing 20+ keys would b able to do near 95% parses on both and that it wouldn't be because of that?
But I'm dumb so
lofty warren
Nice
lusty grotto
is it false?
well
just because i dont like misinformation i will say its pretty simple to understand that its 100% edited
i left clues in
lament zealot
Is the previous one you linked with col being above also edited?
harsh trellis
route : !TrvWYTjmq0FjleiIpM0CPxizQ8Kd9WofBV4slw0cIu7l9BVsReWkAgRHz8YtV3BFReGaoa6...
I don't like this route
valid violet
noone does 😄
analog lily
I can't believe bears survived this week.
valid violet
I average 92 to 93k
I'm not pressing enough buttons aren't I hahah 😄
abstract arch
Just have to press them harder
lament zealot
its from archon
What would be acceptable data or a website that has acceptable data to look at for you?
cerulean tusk
I played too much with bears and monks
abstract arch
Number go up
lusty grotto
What would be acceptable data or a website that has acceptable data to look at f...
our sims
sims don't have added variables such as: player skill, content, content length, outside buffs, damage amps, group contribution
cerulean tusk
I would trust logs and field data over sims, ngl
lusty grotto
a lot of those will NOT be true for you
cerulean tusk
Sims is theoretical, logs is practical
lament zealot
But if everyone doing 20s or 21s is doing more dmg as one hero spec over the other then wouldn't that be a better representation of the spec? I guess you're already saying no
abstract arch
They ain't me tho
lusty grotto
But if everyone doing 20s or 21s is doing more dmg as one hero spec over the oth...
we dont have the data from that aggregate
the difference between Elune Thrash bear being a better spec compared to this colossus comparison is that they do have the data and sims
cerulean tusk
Why you talking like he aint already pointing at data? Most people live log nowadays as well
Sims doesnt answer the difference of the two specs from the practical data from logs
That is what is asked. If data there shows Col is doing better dps than Thane, wouldnt that mean Col does that part better.
lusty grotto
do you have the log cat?
link the logs
and after you link them, lets go over them
cerulean tusk
You being quite dishonest about the point tho. You either got to dismiss the source of data being pointed to, as a whole.
That is fine. But now you seem to argue to be difficult and dont engage with the question asked based on the info shown from em.
All you need to answer is clear text: on avg Thane does less dps there because X reason
That is what is asked here
lusty grotto
Why you talking like he aint already pointing at data? Most people live log nowa...
i already answered this
lament zealot
Friend msgd me, it was a screen shot he took of archon keys done this week in that key range
cerulean tusk
Doesnt change the info it shows, even the updated info you showed yourseld
Or do you deny Col being higher in both?
lusty grotto
id like to see the logs
cerulean tusk
That is the core question asked, the why that could be
lusty grotto
youre missing the entire point, this is an aggregate, so the context in which the data is taken is extremely important
lament zealot
You're right Nim, he ss'd a video and sent it, but then linked me the updated archon thing. So yes it was old from the video
But you yourself linked similar data, just more recent
lusty grotto
averages are also mathematically easier to skew when you have lower numbers
lament zealot
It's all from people that you'd assume would be playing at some of the highest skill though no?
All 21s or whatever
lusty grotto
if you have 201 parses that all do 100k dps, and 5,226 parses where only 201 do 100k dps, which one will be a lower average?
lament zealot
Maybe key to key it might make a difference?
lusty grotto
It's all from people that you'd assume would be playing at some of the highest s...
uhh
but yes youre not wrong
so the context IS important
lament zealot
I don't really see your point tbh, but I appreciate you having the discussion
lusty grotto
i just mentioned what the point is, and you yourself just mentioned it
context IS important
because there's so many variables involved
key level
is one
5226 total parses trending lower is extremely normal given that there will be a massive amount of people on the lower end pulling it lower
compared to 201 total parses
which is more contextual info
this is the current key range
cerulean tusk
So your explanation is that Col players simply play better and optimally within the data set. While Thane is swamped with subpar players pulling the avg down
lusty grotto
sure
lusty grotto
it cant say that for 100% of certainty, but its def a thing to consider
lusty grotto
yeah we know
cerulean tusk
warrior can not do that
kindred turret
Sooo, are we gonna feel the "tank tuning"?
cerulean tusk
Nop
lusty grotto
no, but its better than nothing
kindred turret
Ok, as I expected. Thanks 😅
cerulean tusk
BDK will feel a dps increase while they pray for RNG to last to keep them from splatting.
Meanwhile prot pala gonna feel it, they got quite more tanky baseline
cerulean tusk
Shield uppies?
lusty grotto
likely
cerulean tusk
Shield uppies best uppies
lusty grotto
the NA beta testers are on the case 🫡
cerulean tusk
I refuse any logic that aint more shield block d value
Raiders gonna raid, I block
kindred turret
Working on +15s right now, 281 ilvl.
How do I avois getting instantly gutted in some pulls? Always pull with shield wall on?
lusty grotto
youre getting back hit
cerulean tusk
Sounds like that, or you go in without block up
Well, you say some pulls, any in particular?
Like bleed birds, or the like
Or any pull?
kindred turret
Hm...i always thought i was aware of back hits...
Does block activate on shield charge cast,or impact?
cerulean tusk
Actually dont know, but that o.5 sec frame cant be where you struggle, right?
kindred turret
Well, you say some pulls, any in particular?
Like bleed birds, or the like
Or ...
Nah, most of the times im fine.
Hmm, which exactly...2nd pull of seat (left pack), skyreach got me good in the pull after 3rd boss and pull inside after the wind gauntlet
Im thinking,maybe i am charging a wrong mob and actually take 1-2 back hits occasionally
cerulean tusk
You prob taking chargers to your back, if that scares you. Feel free to wall while you pull em in to gather, to avoid a nasty surprise
kindred turret
On seat?
cerulean tusk
You can chain em through stagger stepping tho
kindred turret
Ohhh, they have this ranged thingy right?
cerulean tusk
They charge, when they can. They are warriors
lusty grotto
they will charge whenever youre at a certain range
thats why knockbacks, and giga slows will 100% fuck you over
kindred turret
So if i walk up they dont, as im already too close?
kindred turret
Ok
lusty grotto
yeah what cat said
cerulean tusk
Just be aware they path weirdly, and will suddenly go around stuff and then if you dont spot it, they will charge
So slowly waddle paddle
Skyreach is all about the sheers and other busters, then the DoT and sunder.
Keep an eye on those and use defensives before the hits come.SR is great to soften them
kindred turret
Thanks!
Might also be time to watch some pull stuff on YouTube, how to properly gather first skyreach including ravens, or big in windrunner
Without giving my heal and me a heartattack
cerulean tusk
Just need defensives on the run, VR to stay healthy till you root. Maybe pop a HP pot if needed, and you fine.
If you want to improve, consider doing it on some 12s till you get a good feel of enemy cast cadence and movement behavior
Its easier to notice then and learn the pace, when you are in no danger
kindred turret
Ok thats how I operated so far (VR, pot...).
Then just pathing from group to group quickly and without backhits
kindred turret
Well, sleepy time now, gn8 🫡
lusty grotto
shear, to be specific
blade rush also hurts (and its a bleed) so if youre dwarf, then dwarf
kindred turret
Who is not a dwarf? 😅
lusty grotto
lots of people heh
mystic cave
ivory barn
and this, is why folders of addons exist
kindred turret
Had my panda warr long time, too 👍
glacial ridge
Orc warrior here, can’t bring myself to change a toon I’ve had since BC
Orc stoneform when?
tribal wharf
orc smash
harsh trellis
https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293
I cracked up at this
my wife who doesnt play wow cracked up at this
sharp rover
I've been wanting to race change for aesthetic reasons, but my god Stoneform really is just too good
Have a disease your healer can't cleanse? Stoneform. Bleed on you that you'd rather not have? Stoneform. Too many stacks of a magic debuff and your healer is distracted? Stoneform. Rooted by a magic effect? Stoneform.
glacial ridge
https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-warcraft-chad-repost-if-dwarf-chad-gif-21569293
But... But... Zugzug?
strong forum
glacial ridge
glacial ridge
The effort was there..
lusty grotto
BIG DWARF
glacial ridge
Guess ill take the extra 20dps and cry in the corner while dying to bleeds
coarse bay
Have you accounted for the loss of aura
You will literally get less respect from the people in your dungeon
glacial ridge
haha when the other people in the dungeon finds their interrupt button then they can judge
lusty grotto
they find it REAL fast when you have to reflect dw
glacial ridge
I felt that last comment in my bones
fluid widget
Guardian didn’t get nuked I’m surprised
sharp rover
they find it REAL fast when you have to reflect dw
Kicking Netherburst? Pass. Kicking Icy Blast??? 
lusty grotto
sharp gale
abstract arch
Ain't to way
lament osprey
nerf more
glacial ridge
Apexless build.. that wasnt gonna fly for long
oh they actually called it out lol
We recognize that the build in question avoids the Apex talent. With this tuning, we’re choosing to not break the Elune’s Chosen build or require the Apex talent. We have further plans to update the Guardian Apex Talent in a future patch to give us more flexibility with it and alleviate some of the current pain points for Druids.
sharp rover
Blizz explicitly stating that guardian druids are meant to do more damage than other tanks
It hurts
abstract arch
Wtf dude lol
glacial ridge
>Blizz explicitly stating that guardian druids are meant to do more damage than ...
yeah saw that
abstract arch
I thought they stopped trying years ago but damn
glacial ridge
brb jumping to dreamgrove discord to see whats going on in the guardian channel 
crisp ocean
nooo guardian got nerfed
abstract arch
Surely no one saw this coming
crisp ocean
the nerf was needed but I didnt get to try it
Thrash direct damage reduced by 25%.
wow
wooden spruce
nooo guardian got nerfed
and i was just leveling mine :v
lament osprey
Honestly should’ve made it 50%
crisp ocean
and i was just leveling mine :v
might still be on par with brewmaster or even better
glacial ridge
Blizz giveth
May 5: Thrash direct damage increased by 200%.
Blizz taketh away
May 12: Thrash direct damage reduced by 25%.
Im interested to see what the self healing ends up looking like from Elune's Favored
abstract arch
So bears still spec into the build that ignores the whole kit but now its just a little worse
Lmao ggs
ivory barn
I'm happier now
crisp ocean
So bears still spec into the build that ignores the whole kit but now its just a...
gonna get nerfed soon tho
abstract arch
I don't think these nerfs will put it behind the previous build
harsh trellis
Druid
Guardian
Thrash direct damage reduced by 25%.
Elune’s Favored now heals for 15% of Arcane damage dealt (was 25%).
Developers’ Notes: These changes aim to bring this build closer to its expected output: high-damage relative to other tanks, but not abnormally so.
We recognize that the build in question avoids the Apex talent. With this tuning, we’re choosing to not break the Elune’s Chosen build or require the Apex talent. We have further plans to update the Guardian Apex Talent in a future patch to give us more flexibility with it and alleviate some of the current pain points for Druids.
DRUIDS DEAD
SHIT
I wanted to shitpost first
harsh trellis
fuck it goin back to raiding on an alt
abstract arch
Not to mention when they do " fix" it, those heal nerfs are staying
abstract arch
This really is the most concerning part tbh
lusty grotto
its not concerning
abstract arch
Okay
lusty grotto
the leech got double nerfed technically
less damage, and less heal per damage
so technically they won't be self sustaining like crazy anymore
wooden spruce
tbh, how much do this changes affect bears? on of my guildies went the doomsayer route and deleted his saying bears are now the worst tank and blizz killed them
but i dunno, and i dont wanna go into the druid discord, im scared of that place
glacial ridge
Lol im just trying to look at a high log but idk can you split between damage done Thrash direct vs not?
wooden spruce
haha made me spit my coffee
i still think they are on par with brew, but maybe we have a case of collective histeria for the meta?
daring marlin
haha made me spit my coffee
i still think they are on par with brew, but maybe ...
100%
wooden spruce
noice
daring marlin
I will say a part of me feels bad for them cuz it's like
they're like yoyoing this expac with bear lol
glacial ridge
Thats the direct hits getting nerfed
Looks to be about 10% nerf all up
in this example
lusty grotto
that was the most surgical strike nerf theyve done in a while
ngl
it hit the precise talents that were problems
wooden spruce
that was the most surgical strike nerf theyve done in a while
its like vdh with spiritbomb in DF S2 i think? they timed a 20 with 5 VDH, same day the got a 5% overall dmg nerf and 33% spirit bomb nerf
lusty grotto
well kind of, but vdh had more problematic things that season with tier and shit
but i might be misremembering
harsh trellis
bleak breach
Stuff the druids
signal charm
lol
undone beacon
Anyone have an invite link to the raid leaders discord? wowhead link is invalid
glacial ridge
Anyone have an invite link to the raid leaders discord? wowhead link is invalid
Was looking for that the other day also, any link i found was invalid..
share plz lol
Actually just found a working link on CompetitiveWoW. Ive messaged you @undone beacon
undone beacon
Bless
opal ledge
prot need a damage buff x.x
shrewd moss
I just had a really bad exp on lura and got hit really hard by abyssal lance.
i don't ever recall having issues with this below 15, so I'm curious if y'all can see what I did wrong here
lusty grotto
are you reflecting it?
cause you should be
obviously it chunks
kinda weird that you didnt see it happening as you went up in keys
i suppose its more noticeable if you did seat without gear
shrewd moss
i reflect when dirge starts. Should I wait til later to reflect?
i reflect here at the beginning of the cast
but like that's clearly not enough to cover the lances that go out. Should I hold off on reflect for end of the cast?
lusty grotto
you need to reflect at 3x abyssal lance buff
outer willow
Aren’t you supposed to reflect when the 3 portals are up?
shut summit
the boss gains a stacking buff for each auto attack
the 4th is when he does the buster you reflect
shrewd moss
kk will do. thank you!
lusty grotto
wait until its at 3, then reflect
its one of those purple ones (they're all purple)
but its the only one that stacks on her
outer willow
If you have a hard time with that, because everything is purple in your life, there’s a portal thing that spawns around her
3 of them
shrewd moss
noted.
outer willow
That’s how you know she’s about to clap
lusty grotto
i just look at the buffs
shrewd moss
oopsie. no idea how i didn't know this and still did just fine
yeah i'm fine looking at buffs
lusty grotto
if you miss-time a reflect (i.e. its not gonna be up), and she has 3, make sure you wall
shrewd moss
yeah I think that would've saved me there. Now I know for the future, but I've been using reflect earlier and I could've just walled instead. oops.
ty!
lusty grotto
its definitely what dmnick said
the buff is void portal like he said
so this icon
lusty grotto
my brain will probably forget that its called that and default back to "one of the purple buffs that stack"
lusty grotto
🫡
heavy sparrow
for 17-18 SR we're going left and then right, right? or left both times
I mean left or right after birbie boss
lilac olive
everything is a bird in this dungeon
winged zenith
heavy sparrow
thanks gentlemen
lusty grotto
i have a feeling this is the pettiest shit
especially since probably nobody in this channel knows
and neither do i
consider me not surprised
lusty grotto
i hate being right
red ferry
Culturally significant 67 appeared i had to notify him
lusty grotto
just petty bitch garbage
red ferry
what
No
Inside joke
its funny
im sorry ur heart is full of hate that a bit of whimsy between friends troubles u so…
lusty grotto
well considering youre a raging dick whenever you show back up in here
red ferry
im sorry you feel that way
lusty grotto
you cant really blame me
wicked pollen
hi
wicked pollen
67
red ferry
67
sinful fulcrum
67
round pendant
blazing condor
67
sand condor
sharp rover
Question: is this tooltip bugged?
Is it meant to be 40k damage and 20k bonus damage, not 4k and 2k?
floral zenith
For MT on AoE, according to icy veins TB > SS.
During avatar and when SS procs (3 casts without CD), do you just cycle TB then SS?
Basically on AoE do you do TB > SS > TC?
tame jasper
Do shields count as weapons for the upcoming void forged thing?
cold tapir
For MT on AoE, according to icy veins TB > SS.
During avatar and when SS procs (...
Avatar aoe tb/tc every other global even with ss ready
jagged pier
Avatar aoe tb/tc every other global even with ss ready
no
in aoe u can TB everytime its up, i tend to only ever TB over SS if it has 2 stacks
otherwise im SSing cause i want the rage
cold tapir
I was talking for dmg, not rage gain
timid wigeon
adepts of the dawn in SR are bitches, I can't tank normally with those mfs, and kiting as prot war sucks
lilac olive
if you will press thunder clap when shield slam is off cooldown you will waste strategist proc
echo egret
adepts of the dawn in SR are bitches, I can't tank normally with those mfs, and ...
-don't take 3 together
-save your shockwave and talented storm bolt to be self-sufficient in terms of resetting the debuff
-i often charge a distant mob (like the orb) to make some distance
iron flicker
Just returning to the game, did Fury Warrior became more complex/hard to play in Midnight?
echo egret
and of course, good DPSers who did their homework will use their AoE stuns to help you - call for it on voice comms if you use them
jagged pier
no, but your asking in the wrong channel this is the prot channel not the fury channel
iron flicker
@jagged pier Ahh ok, sorry 🙂
naive ravine
It is the prot furry channel
modern spindle
Hey folks, I just rolled prot warrior this morning. Truthfully I won't be raiding at all, any suggestions on where to focus my b roll tokens ?
Work wifis blocked for video game sites etc so can't get onto IV or wowhead.
Thanks for any advice folks!
Appreciate it
raven light
for 17-18 SR we're going left and then right, right? or left both times
I usually play safe while pushing and go left so we can use the 2nd BL on bird boss, easiest place to wipe
quite brave from blizzard to publicly acknowledge they want Bear to be tank with the most dps
neat spruce
Hey folks, I just rolled prot warrior this morning. Truthfully I won't be raidin...
Saron quite likely - you get head/shoulder/chest, a bis ring/neck, the cloak isn't bad and the only subpar loot being the trinket which you can still use at first as an extra defensive to absorb some bleeds
bonus being you can set loot as arms to avoid the trinket and you can get a 2H for offspec
naive ravine
Im pretty sure that skyreach is the recommended place for bonus rolls
Weapon and shield
Good trinkets
neat spruce
ah yep probably, got myth shield 1st week so forgot about that
naive ravine
Another good spot I think was Seat?
Cuz a lot of pieces u can cat
With good neck and weapon
fringe mural
yeah seat is full of loot and if you consistently roll there you will make sure to fill amost every slot with myth gear
also that's the only place you get bis gloves
Which is your non tier piece
Shoulders/helm/chest/pants are whatever because you'll transform them anyways
slender bison
What you guys boost after this reset to 298? Shield?
fringe mural
If we can for sure
slender bison
Was thinking off spec 2H
jagged pier
wep
fringe mural
else weapon or gaze
exotic flame
Is it worth to go from crafted 285 weapon to 289? It's 80 crets for a new craft und 80 for the 289 upgrade
fringe mural
depending on sim
fringe mural
Is it worth to go from crafted 285 weapon to 289? It's 80 crets for a new craft ...
No it's just 20 for the upgrade
you don't pay for the first 4
if you have crafted
exotic flame
Really? Crafted gear counts towards crest reduction?
fringe mural
Yes
but only if you have both slots
on weapon/shield
a 2h 285 counts as reduction for both slots
exotic flame
fringe mural
so to save the highest amount of myth crest you would need to craft a 2h 285
and then upgrade shield and 1h for tank for 20 each to 289
making your tank slots only cost 120 myth crests to upgrade in total
instead of 160
dusty wedge
slender bison
1h/shield specs are disadvantaged anyway, since you can go 298 for 2nd slot next week
While 2h get their 298 trinket
One week behind always
slender bison
Counts as weapon slot, unless they're stupid and forgot to mark shields in the AI slop code
Yes, it's under Misc at the AH, but it would be silly
fringe mural
yeah if it was they would probably patch it soon
with the outcry of prot pala and warriors
slender bison
Prot warr/pala/shams/hpal would be hard stucked at 289 wouldn't be fair
fringe mural
yeah
slender bison
Still don't know why 1h/shield cost 80 crests like the 2h
The bottleneck is crests, not sparks
Plus you pay double the AH mats
You're always behind 2h wielders. They upgrade a chest/head to max with 80 crests, while you craft your offhand etc
fringe mural
i upgraded weapon and shield to 289
but i will now only upgrade the pieces to 5/6
so i can get the myth discount for all the 6/6 upgrades
from what i was told you get the warbound myth discount at all 285
not at 289
naive ravine
Its at overall ilvl 285
Not every slot
My friends got the achivement while having slots below 285
fringe mural
My friends got the achivement while having slots below 285
oh good to know ty
so it really is very different from the 4 other achievements
fringe mural
Do you need 285 shown or equipped?
naive ravine
By just doing content
naive ravine
Do you need 285 shown or equipped?
Idk
Isnt it whatever anyways? Since you can just equip it in city?
fringe mural
yeah you're right
pvp doesn't count probably
if you switch to war mode for example
arent the high pieces there 289 as well?
naive ravine
I think it says they only get set to 289 inside of arenas
fringe mural
it says warmode too
in the tooltip
bgs, arenas and war mode
maybe even pvp zones as well idk
like slayer's rise
fringe mural
yeah i doubt it as well
naive ravine
But u never know with blizzard
heavy sparrow
I usually play safe while pushing and go left so we can use the 2nd BL on bird b...
appreciate it man
lunar flare
for 17-18 SR we're going left and then right, right? or left both times
left after bird boss (if you mean boss 3) is harder for you but less kicks so lower group pressure
right side a bit less cringe for the tank but more for the group to worry about generally
left would be the "sensible" choice as its just hard for you and nobody else, so if you can manage the adept dot stacks you should be ok
but if you trust your group or you're a premade right is dece
raven light
appreciate it man
I don't know why I read WS instead of SR lol
If you have mw monk or an aug that knows what he is doing go right, if you are on your own to survive the dots and don't wanna be kiting the whole pull go left, casters are not a big deal at that key level
upbeat plover
PvP does in fact not count. Because it's item level is low. It just scales up
winged wind
jagged pier
we did before
naive ravine
All the plebs outing themselfs
warm plinth
Smh
heavy sparrow
fringe mural
PvP does in fact not count. Because it's item level is low. It just scales up
Okay ty
minor reef
What kind of build are you guys running AA? I tried this and it healed shit ton on the first pull
jagged pier
nah its one of the choices u can swap
warm plinth
I mean, if I'm gonna run one of the two, I'm definitely running focused vigor over the stam/haste one though
jagged pier
what i dont know
if why u woud run bb
for thane that is absolutely trash
u would 100% run vigor over that
but BS and vigor/ea are the first to go really
for LS indom and bsv
minor reef
if why u woud run bb
I wanted to try once for the extra healing for the first megapull
lunar flare
i know some of these acronyms
jagged pier
the 3% main stat
would do more than bb healing
EAs haste and max hp would do more than bb healing
minor reef
Yea, it was mainly for the stack resetting phase when i was dropping, atleast that what i was thinking
naive ravine
bb as Col is cool
minor reef
I'll drop that and take those
naive ravine
What key lvl are we talking about for you to need extra healing?
minor reef
17
minor reef
Don't have that good of a gear yet tho
jagged pier
i mean this if from a 20
as i said vigor ea and bs all dropped fro the indom sv and ls
LS on that first pull would do more than bb too tbh
naive ravine
What you could do is exchange TaN for BB for a minor healing increase while still getting some dmg +
jagged pier
you are r really over valuing the healing bb is giving u
naive ravine
I said minor
jagged pier
its like non exsistant to really really minor
theres like minor and then theres that
sand condor
one day we wll take the AOE execute...
jagged pier
your doing a 17 youll be fine
jagged pier
one day we wll take the AOE execute...
jagged pier
its my dream too
sand condor
if ONLY they made that talent mainstream for warrior
jagged pier
but execute would need like a giga buff
sand condor
it would be bonkers for arms
lilac olive
did they ever say why they removed deep wounds from revenge
jagged pier
because fuck prot
lilac olive
tying it to execute is weird
jagged pier
yep
sand condor
does deep wounds stack
icy yarrow
Execute talens should be removed or moved to class talents tree
jagged pier
does deep wounds stack
yer it will stack whats left on top of the current buff form memory
thats why its in our ST build
sand condor
oooh
woven knoll
If I upgrade 2h tomorrow will I be able to automatically upgrade sword and shield or its not working like that?
jagged pier
we dont know. but i doubt that how it will work
solid sun
I saw JB wasn’t happy about the bear blue post
Because blizz said that bear supposed to do more damage than the other tanks
I bet them dreamgrove fellers were happy though
jagged pier
i mean they have said that about prot in the past
never trust that statement when bliz says it
naive ravine
Does the IP buff result in reqching the IP cp faster or does it just give more absorb per cast?
jagged pier
per cast most likely
naive ravine
Hm do Colossud gets another 1,6% more IP value throught the hero talent thah increases IP value by 20%
twin anchor
Hello does anybody know if "Honker Down" Talent is worth taking in nexus? Or is "Fight Through the flames" good enough
naive ravine
In nexus point u have to deal with the absorbs applied, not only magic dmg
cold pilot
You guys think warriors will get our time in the sun anytime soon?
I heard they were OP OP s3 of TWW?
fathom oasis
Yeah, poor timing bro
cerulean tusk
We had our time the first two weeks of the expansion, as always
now we wait for the last season and its buffs
plush tendon
i mean, for Mythic Raid
Prot War is a solid pick
Prob the best overall tank (minus BDK when grips are needed)
fathom oasis
I feel like raid tank balance is always much better than m+ tank balance
plush tendon
M+ is a weird animal, because what M+ key level do you balance around?
Do you balance around 12s? 16s? 22s?
for raid its much simplier
plush tendon
unless something is way overpreforming in M+
jagged pier
nowadays they seems to be tuning for both which just not working
plush tendon
I think they are not sure on how they want the tank role to feel
plush tendon
Utility is not as important in raid either
Util can be quite important in raid, but its mostly the little things that tanks do
like spell reflect on paladins is awesome, movement/mobility for Beloran is required for ball soaks
gonna need grips for 5/9 fights
can prob find a use for spellwarding
or bop
or freedom
and raid CDs like Rally/AMZ/Darkness are very powerful
but most of the time, tanks are chosen to fill a raid buff unless there is something heinous that the tank role can solve in the fight
fathom oasis
Yeah, of course some of the utility is very useful, but it's not like m+ where you get to use your whole kit
plush tendon
let me ask this; what util advantage does Bear druid have over lets say a warrior
cause I would argue bear has a pretty mediocre kit (minus the 3% vers buff)
it quite frankly is A) the tankiest and B) does the most damage
thats all it comes down to in M+. What is the tankiest and what does the most damage
fathom oasis
Utility between tanks is mostly considered when the following has been covered:
- Will you survive the highest key levels
- Is your dps comparable
plush tendon
that is fair, but still they have to be equivilent in terms of raw DPS and tankiness
those are the deciding factors
once those are somewhat equal, then you can look at other stuff
plush tendon
which is like comparing stats on equal I level gear
fathom oasis
A dps can have very good utility, but you need to deal good dps or else you are dead in the water
ivory barn
I'm tanking keys... And playing fury pvp
fathom oasis
What that usually means is that there are clases that, when their current damage is good, they are instantly meta because their utility/durability is insane
Like DK
If the current dk iteration does good damage they'll always be meta in keys
plush tendon
it still just boils down to who does the most damage and can live
though there is prob a bit more variance for DPS
especially when considering raid buffs/damage profiles
and also the level of difficulty
coarse bay
There’s an exception to the dps factor
And it still comes down to dps
Does the utility enable bringing a stronger dps spec
plush tendon
IDK if that ever was the case?
though, you can jog my memory
maybe boomkin S1 of SL?
but they did some nutty deeps if memory serves
was still hard required to bring one most of the time for trees
coarse bay
Honestly idk theres lmao but i can see it happening. S2 vdh was just tanky but the kit enabled things other tanks couldnt do too
plush tendon
in DF?
coarse bay
Last expsc
coarse bay
I guess kit def wasnt the factor for it tho
Just a bonus
Probably couldnt make chicken work without though? Maybe? Im not sure
plush tendon
I think by WW, the VDH kit was fairly balanced
coarse bay
Ya i dont think its like op or anything
plush tendon
I still miss S3 DF VDH
coarse bay
Buff bdk and people will call bdk op
undone beacon
The meta should be whatever specs and classes I like playing or that buff my spec
Easy
coarse bay
Whenever anything is strong theyll bring up the kit theyve had forever and say its suddenly op
plush tendon
tale as old as time
the only time I felt that a util kit was way too broken was VDH S3 Dragonflight
now that shit was bonkers
no one could compete
undone beacon
Next time Pwarr is meta it’s gonna be “of course they’re op they have wrecking throw”
coarse bay
If all things equal i could see the ppal, vdh, bdk kits pulling ahead
But in what world will they be equal
coarse bay
For sure
It does but if dps dk ever falls out of grace
We’ve been spoiled with that kit
naive ravine
Bdk lacks stops?
2 grips, AoE silence, ST stun and AoE blind
Mass slow
Rly low kick cd
(12 sec)
coarse bay
Id assume the grips will be often spoken for but idk i dont play bdk past vaults ever
Seems average though
undone beacon
I hate playing bdk
It just doesn’t click with me
Had to gear one for broodtwister prog and was not happy with it
naive ravine
Bdk is the exact opposite of pwar
coarse bay
Nah it could use some stuff off gcd imo
daring marlin
I hate playing bdk
Ohhhhh a fun hater huh
undone beacon
I play shadow priest guil you already know that
daring marlin
bro's pushing the demo agenda now masquerading as an spriest
tribal wharf
daring marlin
smh
tribal wharf
Video game desrperately needs a new romeror or carmack
undone beacon
It’s not like I’ll get to bring the lock to prog smhhh
daring marlin
It’s not like I’ll get to bring the lock to prog smhhh
Yet
undone beacon
I did parse pretty good on our LBV kill
It’s almost like when the fight isn’t an add pad hellfest I do well
daring marlin
Video game desrperately needs a new romeror or carmack
What's your favorite pizza
tribal wharf
pretty much any of the ones that isnt stupid
undone beacon
What do you consider stupid pizza
tribal wharf
like, really stupid i mean, like, fish on pizza or like some TMNT, pickles and guac shit