protection

[velvet knot]

Oh

Eh

[opal ledge]

good thing that "Fight Through Flames" got buffed then xD

[vestal moat]

is FTTF worth now?

[velvet knot]

probably not?

idk

[lusty grotto]

it was always worth, on specific encounters and dungeons

[vestal moat]

nexus point

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

[hearty sigil]

absolutely

[ivory barn]

Isn't nexus a physical place...

[analog lily]

bears survived with that huuuuuge dmg？

[lusty grotto]

where are the logs

[hearty sigil]

Topicx

[analog lily]

absolutly balanced

[lusty grotto]

no, i want you to get the logs

so you see for yourself

[hearty sigil]

ok

[ivory barn]

Run a 10 with one and a 10 with the other,.same route and compare it

[sharp gale]

Isn’t topicx the guy we reviewed his build weeks ago?

[solid sun]

Topic is the guy who gets promoted here now

[lusty grotto]

topicx is a good chap and hes in the channel

[solid sun]

For keys

[lusty grotto]

but his builds are personal

[opal ledge]

maybe dropping enduring alacraty for FTTF?

[sharp gale]

Yeah I’m just asking if it’s the same person

[lusty grotto]

sure

[undone beacon]

Of the top 800 or so pwarr parses for NPX, 20% are running FttF. Of the top 20 NPX runs from pwarr, only 2 are using FttF (that have public logs)

[velvet knot]

i just run what talents seem fun 😎

[vestal moat]

Im just gonna pick random logs of 18s

[solid sun]

It’s a talent for fire damage

[hearty sigil]

@lusty grotto I stand corrected. I just followed his build for NPX and assumed. mb

[analog lily]

how good are our buffs? It seems like nothing changed.

[undone beacon]

Small defensive buff. Welcome but not gamechanging

[harsh trellis]

for what key level though?

[jagged pier]

not enough but its a start

[lusty grotto]

they are a slight increase to help push higher, but outside of that they wont save you from missplays

[vestal moat]

so if one press of IP granted 100, the same press will grant 108 now?

[hearty sigil]

his newest "First Pull of Every Dungeon" has a big explanation about magic dmg in NPX, so I just assumed it as fact.

[lusty grotto]

AA and Skyreach are 100% Ittf dungeons

because bleeds aren't mitigated by armor (in AA's case) and the most dangerous mobs aren't even in the first pull - and they deal arcane: Battleaxes

however

skyreach can be an armor spec dungeon

it depends on where the warrior specifically needs more help

[spiral jetty]

what point do people typically flex for fttf

[lusty grotto]

blade talons or fiery talons

armor spec

thats the flex point

[spiral jetty]

i see ty

[sharp gale]

Yeah that was my comment #protection message
I was just curious to know if it’s the same, to check a new vid if he got better

[opal ledge]

whirling blade not being 100% is curious

[harsh trellis]

probably dropping it for indom or last stand

[velvet knot]

I thought last stand was bad?

[lusty grotto]

yes, for the most part

[harsh trellis]

Im not running it, I dont know where that is from

the picture

@opal ledge what is that from

what key what level

[opal ledge]

warcraft logs

[harsh trellis]

I know its wcl

[velvet knot]

i dont really use guides or anything but this is my janky ass build.

[opal ledge]

when you select a sepc in a dungeon it shows the top talents

[undone beacon]

"Janky ass build"
Posts the recommended build

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[harsh trellis]

I dont like to give up bloodsurge , at least not at the key level im doin

[opal ledge]

not bad. it's a nice build

[velvet knot]

Oh neat

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/head-pat-pepe-the-frog-gif-17961058

me @ u rn

[velvet knot]

i might get rid of enduring for bloodsurge if you think its good

but i dont find myself rage starved

[lusty grotto]

then youre fine

[undone beacon]

No reason too then yeah

[slim egret]

How big is the buff

[undone beacon]

Small but not unwelcome

[slim egret]

So Not brew leck

Lvl

[velvet knot]

main thing is the 8% IP buff from what i see.
the flames buff is good for ppl pushing dummyy high keys
phalynx buff kinda neat

[lusty grotto]

brew is not gonna drop from meta

also by brew, you mean bear

[toxic pewter]

I would of liked to see shield wall duration to 12 seconds

[velvet knot]

i would like a damage buff. Not a survivability buff.

[lusty grotto]

need to keep up with the times

[undone beacon]

Phalanx buff is def the biggest ups with these changes

[shut summit]

bear is the new hotness

[undone beacon]

An extra flat 3% DR is nice

[harsh trellis]

that would break things right?

[undone beacon]

When you rerolling to no apex bear Sense

[toxic pewter]

lol why brewmaster has 45 seconds worth of defensives on 1.5-2 min cd

[velvet knot]

bro wants perma shield wall uptime

[harsh trellis]

yeah but people hate wars

[shut summit]

might try it, big numbers are fun

[lusty grotto]

people worried about brews being meta not knowing what the current meta is... speaks for itself

🤷‍♂️

[undone beacon]

I might drag my shitty lil 250 bear through some 10s for the bit while its like this

[lofty warren]

Protection
melee damage mitigation is quite
strong, but is a bit behind for
magical attacks and damage-
over-time effects. These changes
are aimed at strengthening those
areas as well as making it easier
to maintain healthy Ignore Pain
values.
• Fight Through Flames reduces
magic damage taken by 6%
was 4%)
Phalanx reduces damage
enemies deal to you by 8%
(was 5%).
Ignore Pain effectiveness
increased by

[toxic pewter]

lol

[peak iron]

brewmaster is tankier with no mitigation aside from purifying brew than p war is with wall up in half the dungeons this season

[toxic pewter]

wtf is that wall of text pepega

[lofty warren]

Are updated sims out yet

[light vector]

OK, getting home I'll change to 4/4 @lusty grotto
How does a build like 1/4 get to be the most popular for high keys on archon, for ex?

[peak iron]

and that’s okay

[lusty grotto]

copy paste from beta

[lofty warren]

Didnt mean for it to be text

[lusty grotto]

next question

[lofty warren]

Dont think we were taking fight in flames before?

[compact silo]

where is that from

[lusty grotto]

#updates-midnight

[compact silo]

when is that patch

[lusty grotto]

wowhead

[light vector]

but it's based on logs from the highest keys...

[lusty grotto]

next tuesday

[tribal wharf]

8%

[lusty grotto]

yes? where people try different builds?

[spiral jetty]

pepega the druid discord needs you right now

[lofty warren]

Always taking buffed talents??

[lusty grotto]

high keys does not mean people dont copy paste

turns out, being a good player and having a good team is actually more valuable than your talent picks

[light vector]

Not sure how it happens, but I remember it had 4/4 at one point, then it changed to 1/4
But I guess it has some kind of inertia as people start copying more and more

[peak iron]

sounds like you’re not in favor of adding rio tags to this server

[lusty grotto]

it happens because new keys get timed, new talents get set, people keep copy pasting

[lofty warren]

Why they buff magic reduce talent we not even using that

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-declan-donnelly-britains-got-talent-nuh-uh-nope-gif-450357946452987644

[lusty grotto]

every single season

[frosty mango]

Yes we are

[toxic pewter]

I just healed a bear that was so bloodlusted by the big dam they do he literally did not press ironfur a single time

duide got DROPPED

like 3 times

[lofty warren]

Only on.. nexus?

[frosty mango]

Fttf already had use in some keys, it will just be better in those scenarios

[spiral jetty]

oh god

[frosty mango]

Also useful in AA

[peak iron]

but nim it’s unreasonable for blizz to expect me to be good at the game and have friends to allow me to do the highest level content

[harsh trellis]

I think pepega is lookin to get someones blood pressure up again

[frosty mango]

I’ve had a whole pot of coffee and two monsters already I’m primed let’s go

[sharp gale]

Im a fury archon stat and i copy paste

[lusty grotto]

[peak iron]

white monster gang?

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wmster-white-monster-energy-drink-monster-energy-gif-12152619221567829370

[frosty mango]

One white monster and one full throttle

[harsh trellis]

I got rid of the energy drinks I just mainline the coffee

[lofty warren]

Buffs to pwar so much smaller than the other tanks wtf

[peak iron]

when nobody else got me i know white monster got me

[lofty warren]

Ppal meta inc calling it now

[lusty grotto]

not smaller than BDKs

[frosty mango]

Monsters are reserved for Fridays when shit is on fire

[lusty grotto]

BDK has the worst ones

[frosty mango]

Today was that

[peak iron]

bdk needs a full rework it’s the disc priest of the tanking world

[chilly brook]

I don’t think that’s accurate

[opal ledge]

BDK buffs are huge, maybe the biggest one

[harsh trellis]

I used to do full throttle all day , then lie in bed all night staring at the ceiling

[lusty grotto]

its accurate

because youll still get clapped to kingdom come

[frosty mango]

I have never felt so seen

[opal ledge]

it's a lot of survavibility AND dmg

[lusty grotto]

the bdk buffs address absolutely nothing that bdk had wrong

[harsh trellis]

what discord is that

[lusty grotto]

did i say they were inconsequential?

[chilly brook]

Deaths advance

[harsh trellis]

ah

[chilly brook]

No but I would say the prot buffs are pretty inconsequential lol

[lofty warren]

The pwar buffs give how much more tankiness? Imo not really big buffs at all

[harsh trellis]

I really do not like dks

I never got into them

[sharp gale]

why

[lofty warren]

Omg ignore pain up by 3% it was basically doing nothing anyway

[lusty grotto]

8% DR on apex is not inconsequential

[lofty warren]

Pwar gets 3% dr meanwhile ppal gets 30% dr

[lusty grotto]

all 3 changes grouped, provide a decent net positive

[tribal wharf]

may 8th 1963

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s a 3% total change, which isn’t nothing like yes it’s a like 40% buff to the talent but also eh

[harsh trellis]

Happy birthday Yogi!

[lusty grotto]

griff im not gonna argue semantics with you

[peak iron]

well i just took 12 stacks from the adept in my +19 Skyrizzi and died in 0.7 seconds so it’s clearly not enough

[lusty grotto]

bdk changes are just smaller than what we got, im not saying ours are huge

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/john-dory-john-dory-trolls-john-dory-happy-birthday-trolls-happy-birthday-gif-489966340870228096

[opal ledge]

pwar need a lot more to catch monk and druid sadly....
i would like at least a 5% stamina buff, and the magic dr moved to some other talent.
and some buff damage, like 10% aura

[lofty warren]

Agree pwar buffs not huge less than 5% increase.

5% a little different than the 300% thrash gives to druids!

[chilly brook]

Based on what though? Like we don’t have a proper number for either

[lusty grotto]

how can you even ask me that question when talking about defensives

[tribal wharf]

the world teeters on the brink of destruction

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496239467911188711/picmix.com_13676870.gif

[chilly brook]

The point is how are you actually quantifying that statement

[shut summit]

the amount of buffs classes would need to catch the other tanks isn't feasible imo, the dungeons need changes but they refuse for w.e reason

like these buffs make 0 sense for prot warr in raid for instance

[plush tendon]

the Sense has spoken!

[solid sun]

Sense has spoken

[plush tendon]

yea, Prot War in raid is already a giga chad

[solid sun]

This is the way

[lofty warren]

True these prot war buffs are useless and need bigger

[plush tendon]

The Prot Pal buffs are quite interesting though

[chilly brook]

The DK buff is actually somewhat tangible, death strike did need some help tbh it felt like it didn’t do much in the higher keys I’ve done on it

[plush tendon]

actually, all 4 tanks I play got buffed

[chilly brook]

And DRW uptime going up is very impactful

[plush tendon]

they are nice BDK buffs

[lusty grotto]

death strike being buffed means nothing when you can STILL get clapped

[lofty warren]

Don't give ppal too much defensiveness or they will be meta

[plush tendon]

longer DRW from the apex+some stam and more parry from DRW is nice

[peak iron]

they are good buffs Sir

[tribal wharf]

the greatest game of all time

highly reccomend you guys go try it

[chilly brook]

Not fixing a fundamental problem with the design does not mean that the buff isn’t large

[plush tendon]

but to play Blood well, you will need to play around those DRW procs more

[lusty grotto]

it does to me

[tribal wharf]

i dont play blood

too many hit scanners

hidden weapons

[lusty grotto]

our buffs can give us 1 more key level, what can the BDK buffs do for them?

[chilly brook]

Then that’s just being hyperbolic

[lusty grotto]

nothing

youre arguing semantics

so im allowed

[plush tendon]

though, talking to my co-tank (whos playing brew) these buffs kind of solidfy Brew as a mid tank in raid settings

[opal ledge]

the dmg part, at least, is something i think it's feasible

[peak iron]

i’d much rather be mid in raid and busted in m+

[plush tendon]

the healing buff to Blood's Death Strike will for sure help on Mythic Lura rot damage

[chilly brook]

According to who?

[tribal wharf]

hey, so something MDI is up on twitch

[chilly brook]

Or what?

[plush tendon]

and the extra DRW is more damage

[lusty grotto]

according to me

are we done?

[chilly brook]

Based on?

[lusty grotto]

on my opinion

[chilly brook]

Ok so it’s meaningless

[sharp gale]

???

[lusty grotto]

so is your back and forth

it is what it is

[chilly brook]

You can’t possibly say DK doesn’t get anything or say they can’t possibly go up a key level

[lusty grotto]

yes i possibly can

and i did

[naive ravine]

I mean the buff dont stop dks from getting one shot

[lusty grotto]

thats what youre arguing against, after all

[opal ledge]

idk, 10% death strike healing buff means also blood shield... and there is hp buff, a lot of uptime on rune weapons with extra parry...
i think they got more than us.

but i understand your opinion, maybe it's not much as i think

i think prot pal got the best of the buffs
and vengeance the worst with us

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt discount the blood buffs

[lusty grotto]

we're not discounting them

[plush tendon]

DRW is a extremely strong CD so even more uptime plus more parry is quite strong

[lusty grotto]

all i did was put it on a scale

[plush tendon]

the Death Strike buff is a nothing burger though (outside raid)

[compact silo]

what would one even drop for fttf? armor specialization?

[opal ledge]

Maybe i'm wrong, but we are going from a "5 tanks vs brew" to 3 tiers of tank.... bear and monk the best, blood and pal 2nd, war and dh last.
so those buffs kinda got us a tier behind, it's "secretly nerf" --- less invites in keys now.

[chilly brook]

Put it on a scale with no data outside of a binary pass fail

[lusty grotto]

yes, thats how defensives are measured

welcome to world of warcraft

[plush tendon]

eh, Id wait before saying that

but Paladin became a lot more attractive (but lets be real, that tank is currently made of paper)

and it seems like they want you to spec into sent

which is big sadge

[arctic hearth]

Basically we’ve went through 2 weeks of getting slight buffs to our survivability, last weeks buff was disguised as a damage buff but you have to account for the talent brutal vitality and the 8% of your total damage being dealt adding to your ignore pain

[undone beacon]

Its a lot of speculation, we'll see how it shakes out in the end but its not like we're any worse off than before

[opal ledge]

they are not touching our main issue: damage

[tribal wharf]

my headcannon is that i do it, the frong team is lead by pepega

and he is killing it

[opal ledge]

last week was 5%... 8% of 5% means they buffed ignore pain by 0.4%
it was not a big deal.
Even this 8% IP buff is not much (20x bigger)

our damage still lacking

[tribal wharf]

pepega is a sort of frong right, im leaving that spelled wrong

hes doing like 15s or 16s i thought i saw

[opal ledge]

if every other tanks gets better, even with buffs we are "worse" -- cuz people will refuse us in keys even more.

[undone beacon]

I don't think some of you will be happy unless prot is the only viable tank

[sharp gale]

The curse of a spec discord channel

[lusty grotto]

thats exactly how it always is

[fringe mural]

Lasher dot is magic?

[undone beacon]

Completely unrelated but I wish Earthen's extra armor racial was stronger so they could be better pwarrs

What a fun interaction

[fringe mural]

Is it a nature bleed?

[opal ledge]

i just want a more competitive dmg x.x

[lusty grotto]

its a bleed

it has no nature on it

[opal ledge]

it's 4% phys mitigation, its not bad

[sharp gale]

Huh

[opal ledge]

i wish earthen could clear bleed like other dwarf, so horde would have access to it too

[harsh trellis]

yeah but they could just swap to a reg dwarf

[opal ledge]

but that means swapping to alliance xD

[harsh trellis]

right, the good guys..

🙂

[sharp gale]

Or to dark dwarf if they rly want that similar phys dmg reduction

[opal ledge]

the earthen have 4x the mitigation tho

[harsh trellis]

but they eat rocks

[opal ledge]

yeah that's the good part, no wasting money on food xD

[humble island]

I feel like this doesn't even come close to fixing the main issues we're having but uh .. I've already hung it up for the season at this point so

[sharp gale]

I think you misunderstand how it works and how to calculate the difference

[lusty grotto]

the current issues we're having are what sense said

its dungeon design

period

end of story

[humble island]

100%

[opal ledge]

nope, i made the math, its 3-4%

[lusty grotto]

and by far the biggest offender are Battleaxes

by a massive amount

[arctic hearth]

Yea magic damage and prot warrior are not a good combo

[drowsy atlas]

I wish the earthen could eat diffrent ores for diffrent effects

[lusty grotto]

no, that aint it

[arctic hearth]

I miss spell block

[humble island]

High instant damage off the rip has been a problem

[sharp gale]

Prot war blocks

[humble island]

Like crazy high

[lusty grotto]

the problem is that specific occurrence of damage

magic damage as a whole, is 🤷‍♂️

[opal ledge]

block does not negate dmg

[humble island]

I mean let's be honest, it's been a struggle for all tanks this season (I play them all at one level or another) .. but a few specs have more tools to help and we have none

[opal ledge]

it just reduces it

[quasi thorn]

welcome to being a warrior

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say it was about tools

[opal ledge]

wait... does block ignore our armor?

i dont think it does

[sharp gale]

I will not go on a tangent with you, additional 3% armor doesn’t mean 3% less phys dmg from the total hit

[arctic hearth]

Right now it’s more about who’s the tankiest and a little about damage.

[opal ledge]

its 10% aditional armor

[sharp gale]

From gear

Before spec modifiers

[lusty grotto]

it is about the damage, thats why bear is re-ordering the meta

[undone beacon]

Theres a Hersin and a Theresin now

Lotsa sin

[opal ledge]

our armor comes from gear, we dont have stuff that give us base armor like shield of rightoues

[arctic hearth]

Bear is super tanky after the rework too though

[lusty grotto]

so?

they ARE the meta tank

this week

and will stay the meta tank

if their trash spec isn't nerfed

[errant wagon]

Is it just me or the warrior buffs just kind of a nothing burger

[lusty grotto]

squishy or defensiveness has absolutely NO bearing

if youre complaining about brew this week, youre not keeping up

period

[arctic hearth]

When did i complain about brew?

[lusty grotto]

also bears are def not squishy

if you think that's anywhere near true you're misinformed

[arctic hearth]

Are you reading a different thread or something

[lusty grotto]

back to you

[opal ledge]

right, i forgot about that...
but i will do the math again... i did it with real armor numbers by swapping to earthen in ptr

[lusty grotto]

its about the damage Hersin

period

[vocal junco]

Left routing in AA is in the MDI!

So much for just legacy tech

[arctic hearth]

It always come down to damage, i never said it wasn’t about the damage

[lusty grotto]

saying

Right now it’s more about who’s the tankiest and a little about damage.
is 100% false

[lusty grotto]

are you sure

am i misreading

[harsh trellis]

What happens at the end though with the lashers? what kind of pull ?

[vocal junco]

Split pull

[lusty grotto]

which route is winning?

[sharp gale]

what

[jagged pier]

dont forget the 3 talents as well

[harsh trellis]

wtf is this

vex then to tree

[sharp gale]

Yes and the ones with just DR, and block reducing dmg by 40-50%?, so additional gear armor is way less impactiful

[harsh trellis]

and done

gg

normal route wins this round

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[vocal junco]

They are failing the key sadge

[harsh trellis]

Polish mountain is doin alright

[lusty grotto]

just think logically for a second

what do they have to gain from doing vex lust first?

and then going no lust lasher room

again, in DF, it was needed because Vex was a menace

[undone beacon]

I've seen people in lower AA pugs doing that and I dont like it >:(

[sharp gale]

What key lvl is MDI ?

[lusty grotto]

16

[untold spruce]

are we meta after the buffs?

[harsh trellis]

I really do not remember vex being really bad back in DF, plus we were even able to move out of the way of his frontal.

[lusty grotto]

probably because you didnt push high enough

[harsh trellis]

yeah let me check, youre probably right

[lusty grotto]

the overlaps were death

[sharp gale]

Now it’s the bird smh

[lusty grotto]

well

bird was never a pushover

[daring marlin]

hell 23/24 were pretty terrible in S1

on vex

[harsh trellis]

df season one I only did 20s so no... it wasnt that high

I didnt push df season 4 I only went to 11

[lusty grotto]

i think vex is the only thing they did good on this rework

everything else is just worse

last part trash is worse

battle axes are worse

first pull is worse

crawth is worse

last boss is worse

[harsh trellis]

WOah

hold on

crawth is wrose now?

or then?

[lusty grotto]

now

[harsh trellis]

really?

[lusty grotto]

maybe not for us

but its worse for the group

[coarse bay]

Which ones is crawth

[harsh trellis]

I thought it was like nothing and felt better now

[undone beacon]

The heal check on big bird is wild

[lusty grotto]

the birb

[harsh trellis]

bird boss

[coarse bay]

Oh the fire birb

[harsh trellis]

he used to clap hard back in DF

[lusty grotto]

no, the AA birb cam

well i guess he technically does have a fire phase

[coarse bay]

Ya not the dark ranger lady’s flaming birb

[undone beacon]

I remember him shredding tanks but being chill otherwise. He also did the ball minigame on a timer and not at health thresholds

[arctic hearth]

Tbh both of those birds hurt

[lusty grotto]

im glad they did add the buffs to wind phase, but thats it

[harsh trellis]

ok I didnt see the polish mountain start... so they just went to vex instead of a normal route

[daring marlin]

crawth is worse on the whole group less so the tank

[harsh trellis]

so both teams went vex first

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what i said

[daring marlin]

oh he said that already

[undone beacon]

Remember when deafening screech left a stacking debuff

[daring marlin]

My discord is dying

[lusty grotto]

theres like 2 improvements, the rest are enshitification of the dungeon

par the course with blizzard

see FH, AD, etc etc

[undone beacon]

I remember AA being pretty chill, sad what they did to it

[chilly brook]

Is discord image sending broken for anyone else?

[harsh trellis]

omg df... I forgot we had the 2 different weeks

hey its boss week, hey its trash week

[carmine nimbus]

Guys you think Ppala and bdk are the clear winners?

[chilly brook]

yeah fort/tyran sucked

[harsh trellis]

I dont think about either of them much

[carmine nimbus]

What's in your mind? Could you share your thoughts?

[harsh trellis]

right now im thinking about how much I like a shaman healer with 2 ret paladins and an unholy dk as the group makeup.

also tacos

[carmine nimbus]

Tacos ftw

[coarse bay]

Diablo’s been fun

Heck wow

[ivory barn]

D4 is fun

[opal ledge]

so i just tested
Dark Iron has: 5134 armor (55,16% reduction)
Earthen: 5478 armor (56,75% reduction)
(same character on PTR)

this +344 armor, 6,7% --- 1.6% extra reduction, equals to 3.55% less final phys dmg
(just divide the damage taken before by the new one 43.25/ 44.84 is around 0.9645, you are now taking 96,45% dmg ang gained 3,55% reduction

[coarse bay]

Still waiting for @solid sun to carry me

[sacred finch]

is colossus or Thane doing most ST dps?

[undone beacon]

I beat the mouse game so it might be D4 time, I hear the leapbarian is viable

[daring marlin]

better be a paladin

deus vult brother

[undone beacon]

Thane is ahead in all content

[sacred finch]

Alright, thanks

[slow monolith]

Hero track: Heart of ancient hunger
Champ track: Gaze
Myth track: Rotting globule

How bad is rotting really? I mean compared to a champion gaze or hero track heart? Worth switching something out for the rotting?

[lusty grotto]

no, the clear winner is vdh

[coarse bay]

I started paladin, then rolled whirlwind barb

[lusty grotto]

thane

[sharp gale]

And you didn’t understand why I mentioned block, please don’t continue

[solid sun]

I retired from WoW.

[jagged pier]

[daring marlin]

uh D3 called and want their build back smh boomers

[opal ledge]

if you block or not, it still 3.55% DR.
(its in fact more arrmor than armor specilization give us)

[solid sun]

I haven’t had any fun this expansion thus far

[coarse bay]

Ww barb is infinitely better than paladin in d4 rn

Paladin is cooked and weak

Sad

[solid sun]

Don’t wanna keep throwing money at something that isn’t hitting like I had hoped

[plush tendon]

[arctic hearth]

You don’t like que simulator?

[daring marlin]

Put me in coach

[solid sun]

Honestly I don’t queue much. I try to only play with homies

But right now blizzard segregates us so Jakey and I can’t join forces

Maybe one day love will win

[jagged pier]

i mean ff doing something like bring things together maybe wow follows

[daring marlin]

could always play with us but noooooooo

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

Evercold goated

[lilac hazel]

we were buffed?

[lusty grotto]

slightly, sure

discord having outage problems again

[crisp ocean]

all tanks getting buffed now?

[plush tendon]

its the brewmasters

[crisp ocean]

lmao thas crazy

[sand edge]

so we can learn to suffer

[opal ledge]

is there a nice way to compare physical vs magical dmg on warcraflogs?

my best attemp is using "type="damage" and ability.type=1"

[jagged pier]

look at the colours

if its yellow its physical if its anything else its some kinda of magic damage

[opal ledge]

that is not working there is like 30 different sources of dmg... even if i can look at the color indivdually doesnt give me a number unless i make the math one by one

[ivory barn]

Discord went kaboom?

[mighty valley]

it's been fucky for a couple hours for me

[lunar flare]

something is scuffed, i cant view anyones profile either atm

meanwhile they keep telling me i have a limited time offer to buy nitro 🙂 🙂

theyve been having quite a few issues this year, server wise

[daring marlin]

Imma laugh if people still go 1/4 or 2/4 after reset

holy moly

[opal ledge]

i'm doing some math here and i think FTTF will be the pick for half of the dungeons
magic reduction is good for AA, nexus, terrace, skyreach (terrace surprised me)
maisara, spire and seat are physical ones
pit doenst matter both armor specilization and FTTF will do the same.

[opal ledge]

4/4 dropping punish and BSC is the new 1/4

[daring marlin]

Although they failed the test already

[cosmic harness]

3% extra dmg reduction sounds nice

[lusty grotto]

fury and fire!

[ivory barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480150567268909077/1234524411626000545/image0.gif

[opal ledge]

how much dmg reduction we will get from shield going to 298 next week?

[pastel summit]

dunno prob efficient tho

and can only upgrade what weapon and trinkets right

[daring marlin]

shut up rat

[lusty grotto]

no!

[sharp gale]

Naowh publicly disclosed the random kick macro

[lunar flare]

isnt it just weapons and trinkets?

[lusty grotto]

why did the team with the prot warrior win in seat?

well.....

[jagged pier]

I wonder y

[lusty grotto]

[lunar flare]

is this a bad joke setup

oh

[lusty grotto]

wat

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496932144298197103/picmix.com_13681479.gif

[idle copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=264507/crucible-of-erratic-energies

This seems to sim well, is it not in bis list due to champion?

[jagged pier]

Its very good champ trinket

[lusty grotto]

do you have the skills leveled in voidstorm?

because if you dont you need to unchekc them (and it drops in dps)

[idle copper]

getting the last of teh skills need this week

[cosmic harness]

Will we be able to upgrade every weapon and trinket? Or is it just one? Or maybe one per week?

[daring marlin]

Someone said charges will drop from content similar to catalysts

so it's a chance

in theory you could

[cosmic harness]

Ahh ok, nice, ty!

I didn't find any info related to that

[tribal wharf]

you get tons of them

i have 2 or 3 now extra

since i have collected entire mythic set from catalyst, on hero pieces

[daring marlin]

Hey, hi, talking about something that isn't in yet.

[crisp ocean]

all tanks getting buffed lmao

[tribal wharf]

nu catalyst

coool

[coarse bay]

Not a new thing though tbh

If it makes more people actually kick then good

[sharp gale]

I just hope Blizzard will not fun police that if it becomes popular

[opal ledge]

what is a random kick macro?

[sharp gale]

A macro that tab + kick

[opal ledge]

but how does it know what to kick? i'm not sure i understand

[daring marlin]

Are there really people that don't know how tab works?

[coarse bay]

Tab prioritizes something casting

Then it tabs back to your target

All in 1 macro

[sharp gale]

#protection message

[daring marlin]

Been like that for years now

[coarse bay]

Imo not useful to people that can actually play but 🤷

[drowsy ermine]

I have no idea why that 7 MGT i did earlier was so rough health wise

[daring marlin]

your healer sucked

[drowsy ermine]

I did my 6 skyreach and never dropped below 60%

[daring marlin]

hope this helps!!!

[drowsy ermine]

disc priest >>> prez evoker

[daring marlin]

genuinely skill issue

pres evokers own

[drowsy ermine]

yeah seems like it

o well

[lusty grotto]

on a 7? class doesnt matter

[opal ledge]

my tab dont prioritize casting i think, is there a way do set this up?

[drowsy ermine]

player does ig

[lusty grotto]

100% skill issue

[coarse bay]

It does

[daring marlin]

It sure does

Play around with it. Been like that for years now. As long as a target is actively casting it will always prio a caster first.

[drowsy ermine]

I have a bunch of hero crests on this 2nd warrior now (117) and no fkin hero gear to upgrade lol

[coarse bay]

My warrior sat like that for awhile with champ gloves and chest

And myth 1/6 pants when i couldnt get hero pants to get 2/6 before upgrading

[drowsy ermine]

I have myth boots cuz i bought em since there's no good boots drop in pit or nxp

well not no good boots drop, just straight no boots

[opal ledge]

no i just tested, my tab don't go to csater

[tawny ledge]

Are we back fam?

[drowsy ermine]

my panda warr looks like a really cool dude who has a 95 chevrolet with 3600$ of rims

[mighty valley]

what does "ignore pain effectiveness" mean

[opal ledge]

something is wrong

[daring marlin]

It's 8% more effective duhhhhh

[mighty valley]

which of its many numbers are going up by 8%

[drowsy ermine]

probably both the amount shielded per cast and the total

[daring marlin]

8% more gooder

[drowsy ermine]

maybe it means 58% of damage taken instead of 50% though

[lusty grotto]

no, the tottal is unchanged

[drowsy ermine]

where you seeing ignore pain effectiveness?

[daring marlin]

Nah. It would clearly state that.

[lusty grotto]

58% per absorb wouldnt do jack shit, it would be weaker than what we think the buff is

[drowsy ermine]

wdym

[lusty grotto]

you want bigger casts

[drowsy ermine]

isnt 50% damage taken to shield worse than 58% damage taken to shield?

[lusty grotto]

not anything else

its an absorb dude

who gives a shit

[daring marlin]

Making it 58% would just drain it faster

[lusty grotto]

its not 58% DR

[drowsy ermine]

i want to tank the vorasius lazor beam

[lusty grotto]

yeah exactly guilford

[daring marlin]

don't wanna spam it anyway

[mighty valley]

yeah the %dr wouldn't matter unless the amount per cast was so fucking big that it never gets fully eaten

at which point, uh

[lusty grotto]

IP is the least impact that will have when tanking the shit like that

[mighty valley]

we're busted

[lusty grotto]

idk why people keep thinking that 50% is dr

[drowsy ermine]

its just a damage split no?

it doesn't say anything about reducing damage

[mighty valley]

it is in a literal sense, the damage to your health is reduced

[drowsy ermine]

that's why I always play with 1 total health

maximum total damage to my health is always reduced

[mighty valley]

but you right, we should be precise at all times and call it a partial absorb

[daring marlin]

diablo players where ignore pain actually does what it says

[drowsy ermine]

diablo players when d4 is d3 but more expensive

[daring marlin]

Imma go spin 2 win

I love Barb

[drowsy ermine]

give prot 100% uptime bladestorm

I just wanna speeeeeeeen

[daring marlin]

swoosh swoosh

SHIELDSTOOOOOOOORM!

[tribal wharf]

give me shield stamped

[wanton void]

Did anyone discuss all the changes and the expected effects for us next Tuesday?

[tribal wharf]

from stone vault

[lusty grotto]

sure

scroll up

[tribal wharf]

god damnit

any "shield" ability

i will use it

[wanton void]

Didn't really find much concrete info when scroll up, does that mean people aren't sure yet?

[drowsy ermine]

everything is [redacted], it's time to [redacted]

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean as "concrete"

start here #protection message or here #protection message

[mighty valley]

The notes are pretty clear (except the IP one which is prob per-cast value), what kind of effects are you wondering about

[lusty grotto]

Yeah I'm wondering the same thing

But the tldr is, it's a buff so that's good

[mighty valley]

ah it's slop time

[tribal wharf]

now,, i didnt tell it to use doom as a canvas

but the ai did choose to use it, unprompted

[mighty valley]

if i found a magic lamp and got three wishes

and could do anything at all in the entire world

[tribal wharf]

i would just like to take the time to point that out that i told it only world of warcraft things

and it drew doom

[jagged pier]

Keep ai slop out of this channel

[mighty valley]

my first wish would be that yogi never shared another ai image again

[jagged pier]

[tribal wharf]

its taking the trap ability from diablo 2

floating blade thing

my belief is in 10 years ai will be totally normalized

[loud rune]

less

[blazing shuttle]

AI is already normalized

Kids are already addicted to it

lmfao

Pardon the language

You'd be surprised how stupid and lazy kids have turned

[heavy sparrow]

Lol yup

[lusty grotto]

for anyone interested, AA skip can be done with leap

pretty simple to do so

[heavy sparrow]

The one after birb?

[lusty grotto]

why would you need leap for that one

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah I was gonna say (not bait)

What skip is this one precious

[daring marlin]

probably the caster pack on the stairs

[lusty grotto]

yep

[heavy sparrow]

Oh dang

[tribal wharf]

i have discovered ai looksmaxxing paladin on youtube lol

[wanton void]

Thanks this helped alot, I didnt scroll up far enough before and just saw lots of back and forth on ignore pain

[gentle quest]

Im ambivalent about my sim. I feel like the Eye of Midnight and staying around the 1880 haste goal is better than slamming more haste.
Can I get some educated input?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jLtTd3HjDi3isYCymyfCAh

[lusty grotto]

haste is superior

the avoidance proc is whatever

[opal ledge]

yay! 16 resil + 3.4k + got rank 1 prot war on my server xD

that seat was hard, 3 dps died on 3rd boss, spell reflect saved the day

[lusty grotto]

tanks dont need avoidance, thats a dps tertiary

[blazing shuttle]

Boys, as stupid as it sounds, I have a question.

I got onto a 2 weeks break, and finally got my resi 16 after said break.

And now, I'm looking to do 17s, but... So far, I've been pugging only.

How does one find a team?

[drowsy ermine]

what buff do i take in algethar? crit?

[lusty grotto]

there are discords you can find people in, socializing on pugs, etc

[blazing shuttle]

Socializing in pugs is what I've been doing. Sadly they're still doing 14s/15s.

[lusty grotto]

just keep adding people

[blazing shuttle]

Fair.

Cheers!

[lusty grotto]

there's a couple of lfg discords too

[gentle quest]

The ring has +273 haste, whereas the one it was replacing was +82 haste. The other ring also had +191 crit though.
If I keep my occlusion + omission rings, im at 1041 haste.
If i swap to omission + eye, im at 1203 haste

[lusty grotto]

then swap to it

but it still stands the proc is a non-factor

the eye proc, the occlusion/omission combo is good but not worth the cost in haste

always ignore sims concerning haste, our APL will have enough to keep SB up perfectly, and that's not simmable

[gentle quest]

Is going paste the 1320 diminishing return cap on haste bad? After 1880 haste and swapping HR -> ITF do you not want to start pushing other stats?

[lusty grotto]

sim the 2nd stat on haste pieces, not haste itself

[lusty grotto]

its 1088 rating

and no we dont care about DR

we never care about DR the first season

of any expansion

[gentle quest]

Interesting that BIS gear lists try to push mast/crit so much

[lusty grotto]

we will only care when we hit 2640

[lusty grotto]

bis lists are relics of the past that are put there because guide sites require them

they serve no other purpose

they are just the highest parsing set combination

[gentle quest]

Well if i'm supposed to build my warr as a haste monster thats no skin off my teeth

[lusty grotto]

the concept of "bis" has not been relevant since WotLK

[gentle quest]

Do you look at sims then? Or nevermind those two and just look at your stat prios?

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[gentle quest]

What does that mean though

[lusty grotto]

of course we care about sims, we tell people to do so regularly here

it means equip highest ilvl and haste

then if you want to swap the piece with something, it better be the same ilvl and haste

you sim against them

little haste, big haste, it doesnt matter

as long as it has the same ilvl and has haste

[gentle quest]

Oh gotcha. Ive got 2 boots rn with +haste on them, sim them to see the difference from the effect of the secondary stat but no matter what take pieces with haste on them over non-haste

[warm plinth]

So sims obviously tell you what does the most damage, but it WON'T take into account that you need the minimum haste for survival before running ItF. Since haste is generally outsimmed quite early, it will try to make you lose haste for other stats before you actually should from a defensive standpoint.

[lusty grotto]

yeah what ghash said

the benefit of haste long after the sim devalues it is defensive which is, as you would know, not simmable

and like i mentioned the APL only needs so much to maintain SB

that being said

[rotund lily]

yooooo ignore pain buffs inc

[lusty grotto]

if youre playing ITF, and you do not have gaps - which might be unlikely this first season but could mean youre exceptional at micromanaging SB - then you can def go for pure sim values

[rotund lily]

damn

[gentle quest]

So would you agree w nimchip that everything ought to have haste and just push that stat until a hard cap?

[rotund lily]

i hope it'll stay for more than 0.2 sec now

[lusty grotto]

wont make a squat of a difference

[rotund lily]

fuck

[lusty grotto]

IP buff isnt the important buff there

[gentle quest]

Okay that makes sense. I'm getting better at the SB up as much as possible. Its just enticing to grab damage through crit + mastery so my parse goes up ha

[arctic hearth]

How does .21 seconds sound buddy

[warm plinth]

Not everything has to have haste; he's just giving you a way to easily sim without having to consider one piece having haste vs another not. If you only sim haste/x pieces against each other, then you can just pick the one that sims better.

[lusty grotto]

674 dps isn't going to make or break your parse

[rotund lily]

phalanx i guess is a good buff

[lusty grotto]

thats within variance and crit variance

[rotund lily]

6% magic dmg dosen't seem worth it to take through the flames no?

[lusty grotto]

we already take it depending on content

the buffs are whatever, but they are still buffs

[warm plinth]

Not really. If you would take it already, it's better. If you wouldn't, it's not gonna make you take it.

[lusty grotto]

so its better than nothing

[rotund lily]

in m+ it depends on dungeon?

[lusty grotto]

yes, in any content

[tribal wharf]

end of the day its 2% MAGIC damage reduction

so its like 1%, alone

overall

[rotund lily]

btw is there like a list for spell that you can reflect ?

like there was for spell block

[lusty grotto]

the way you know where to play armor spec OR ittf is by looking at damage profiles and figuring out if magic overall beats physical (sans bleeds)

its pinned as usual

[rotund lily]

ty

i kinda miss spellblock

[tribal wharf]

generally, across expansions the logic is

is it a bolt (fire, frost, wind, earth, wather etc)

[upbeat sable]

always take through the flames, 6% is something to mitigate. phalanx % + ignore pain %, its a straight buff which helps

[opal ledge]

my guess is: AA, nexus. skyreach and terrace FTTF
pit, maisara, seat and spire Armor Spec

[tribal wharf]

or some single target magic effects or curse effects

[opal ledge]

i think the main issue is that we still need a damage buff

[lusty grotto]

"always"? no

[rotund lily]

yeah i know but blizzard is very bad at logic

[tribal wharf]

the problem is blizzard designs us around that we use reflect properly cuz its both a dmg and a dont take dmg same time

but its either kick or die, right

[rotund lily]

i just saw that i can reflect colossal strikes on chimaerus lmao

anyways popping spell reflect always give you 20% magic dr

[tribal wharf]

more with the one talent we never take

30%, so 36% magic reduce now

[upbeat sable]

hehe i always drop the armor % one, and take flames

[lusty grotto]

oh i mean you do swap them out, but you dont hard slot ittf is what i meant

[upbeat sable]

yep, most of physical dmg hit like wet noodles to us., hence i always opted the magic %dr. i mainly playing m+ though

[lusty grotto]

it depends on the key level

[abstract arch]

joined a 4 man at seat that asked me to pull all 3 then the shaman didnt lust

its been that kinda day

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a good time

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/bilei-cat-bileilike-likebilei-gif-19253394

[gentle quest]

Wild that crafted gear is still better than higher level myth alternatives

[abstract arch]

i've been holing off on the cloak

if I roll absolute dogwater next week i'll bit the bullet

[gentle quest]

Ill make bracers + cloak when my sims say its a damage increase, for now my stats are sitting pretty and I need 2 more sparks anyway. Been crafting my low ilvl stuff instead

[hearty rain]

whats the general opinion on the pwar changes? seems pretty insignificant to me

[gentle quest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-genuinely-can't-tell-marques-brownlee-i-cannot-spill-it-to-you-it's-a-secret-mkbhd-gif-8679490729356453070

[lusty grotto]

they are better than nothing

[blazing shuttle]

Phalanx change.

Makes me happy.

[hearty rain]

would be cool if they changed/buffed spellbreaker or hunker down instead

[abstract arch]

the best part about them is they're not nerfs

[lusty grotto]

no, leave those talents dead

they are temu replacements for spell block and should remain that way unless they are more easily accessible than the dogshit posisitioning they are at now

[hearty rain]

well ye thats true, just dont like dead talents

[daring marlin]

bring back NELTHARUS

GOATED DUNGEON

[lusty grotto]

without spell block? yikes

[daring marlin]

I wanna see people weep ok

[lusty grotto]

[blazing shuttle]

who hurt you?

[lusty grotto]

i mean

i liked neltharus too

so 🤷‍♂️

[abstract arch]

do we even run fttf?

[lusty grotto]

they could rework requiring evokers for general skips etc

[lusty grotto]

we do when its required

[daring marlin]

It was a very cool dungeon. Unique mechanics and the aesthetic was top notch.

[stoic hound]

in nexus?

[daring marlin]

big fan

[lusty grotto]

what is it with people and NPX

and ittf

i swear to christ ive said that the overall leans towards physical like 50 times today

so we play armor spec

[blazing shuttle]

TF is FTTF?

[abstract arch]

fight through the flames

[blazing shuttle]

ah right

[lusty grotto]

the only reason why you would ever play fttf in npx is NOT because of the first pull

but because its a high as fuck key and the first two bosses will chunk you

[dusky pivot]

these stats good for prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

armor spec is a lot more effective for that first pull because whats effectively sapping your hp while you clear heal absorbs are melee attacks not to mention that searing rend is the 2nd highest overall damage taken in the key after it

[lusty grotto]

we dont have set amounts, use raidbots

your stat breakdowns do not matter

what matters is following the prio in icy veins (ilvl/Strength > haste > then sim)

[frosty mango]

I disagree, yes it probably leans more phys but you have no other magic mitigation (save wall) so you feel that 6% more

But also I don’t think 6% matters one way or the other

Could delete both and change nothing

[lusty grotto]

corespark overload doesnt happen until the flux engineers die

thats the damage breakdown of that pull

umbra bolt is kickable/reflectable

so that leaves what

melee

[undone beacon]

Isnt Corespark Overload the result of a barrel exploding?

So technically avoidable

[lusty grotto]

maybe

but it still does not happen during the pull

very late into it sure

if at all

[undone beacon]

Fair I didnt read any other context for this conversation

Just say that and wanted to comment

Anyways

[ivory barn]

Stats are overrated

[shut summit]

the scary shit in nexus point is magic dam, at least in the 20 i did

2nd boss add + tankbuster overlap etc

[ivory barn]

I need to start trying higher than 14's

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mentioned that here

on a 20 for sure you want it for boss damage

[shut summit]

that stupid fuckin null sentintel dot too

[lusty grotto]

the nullwark blast?

yeah i see it now

[shut summit]

its not scary in itself but you do big pulls and its the only thing thats chunkin you, you get a shadow dmg amp in the same pull or somethin

https://i.imgur.com/sr8FLRa.png etc

[lusty grotto]

i stand corrected then

[warm plinth]

Hi sense qt

[lusty grotto]

i kinda feel like most people just auto it for the heal absorb though, which seems strange

[shut summit]

25k melees are piss so ye would prefer fttf

not that its really mmake or break

but is somethin

[lusty grotto]

yeah true

[drowsy ermine]

im so good at prot /s

[abstract arch]

Is anyone else's pug quality in the toilet for 14s to 16s?

I'm losing my mind

[clever edge]

nah some of my groups lately have been astonishingly shit

[drowsy ermine]

@abstract arch people are impatient at 13-14 from what I seen

[orchid mural]

the players that were doing 14 and 16's 2 weeks ago are now doing 18's.

[fluid widget]

I hate that i can’t really have both armor specialization and fight through the flames

[drowsy ermine]

my 14 skyreach just ripped because they didn't want to go the speed my 258 ilvl allows

[clever edge]

i need to get myself a decent shield lol - i mainly play fury/arms but i do like tanking abit - havent managed toi get anything better than a vet shield so far lol

i got nothing else worth crafting so im gonna craft one next week

[drowsy ermine]

I got a champ warbound shield randmly off my +9 and used that

[clever edge]

havent even gotten a warbound one lol

[drowsy ermine]

rip

been at 90 12 hours and already ahead of you 😛

[clever edge]

ive gotten like 5 hero ones on my paladin tho

im just a zugger

that feels like a slur... zugger

[lusty grotto]

[crude notch]

Hello PWars, you're all cute. That is all.

[lusty grotto]

no u

[drifting basin]

I should be over 1k haste before swapping to ITF right?

[lusty grotto]

read the pins

[drifting basin]

Heard, appreciate it

[opal anvil]

As a warrior noob could someone help me understand why MT is much more popular than colossus in m+? colossus seems to do much more damage and is pushing keys just as high

[daring marlin]

You're the cutest

[undone beacon]

[undone beacon]

Thane is easier to play and does more damage for less effort. A lot of thane parses were sandbagged by a bad build from beta that people never gave up

Both are equally tanky, but Thane has been buffed more than Col at this point

[tropic pond]

MT have thunder blast which make grouping ads much more easier than colossus, also as for the current tuning, it's superior on dps as well compare to colossus

[tribal wharf]

this weeks affix for below a 12 is pug destroyer

shit goes out

everyone dies

if you arent 3k

https://media.cdn.community.lambdageneration.com/media-link-thumbs/1624906184641Dir-DbBIHTB4BfDK.gif?size=normal

i think this image accurately sums it up

[daring marlin]

just do 12+

simple as

[unreal shoal]

Talking about the absorb shield thing?

[shadow sequoia]

btw guys did they change the bleed in skyreach to a fire dot or am I trippin ?

[lusty grotto]

yes they changed the icon

last week

[shadow sequoia]

oh, just the icon or changed bleed to fire dot or was it always a fire dot ?

[lusty grotto]

was always a fire dot

[shadow sequoia]

fml, didn't know that 😢

[bleak breach]

even with execute buff did our build not change?

icyveins seems to be the same?

[undone beacon]

No, build did not change

[hearty sigil]

Pash is a big advocate for execute, so please use it more

[indigo crane]

does this mean it doesnt work anymore without the app from the website? i feel like my raider.io isnt updating for 2-3 days now

[timid wigeon]

no comment on the new buffs for prot war ?

[undone beacon]

Nothing to comment on. Minor defensive buff, nothing notable but not unwelcome

[abstract arch]

You're good. Mine hasn't updated in 3 days either

[ivory barn]

They probably did something, I update mine around the same time and it's 1-3 days old

[indigo crane]

yeah i got updates but no updated data :/

[warm plinth]

No it's just saying that if you don't update, it'll stop showing the data after 3 days. That message has always been there.

[glacial stratus]

can you dwarf the bleed/phjysical ticking dmg from champions in seat?

[drifting basin]

I'm not sure but so long as you don't outrange them they won't charge.

[maiden ravine]

I have to manually update Rio for some reason. Wowup just isn't downloading it

Despite their website updating

[young oasis]

Are latest buff for tanks slightly more in favour for Colossus?
Colossus hero tree buff IP and IP received some buff.

[lusty grotto]

no

it impacts both the same way

[young oasis]

Kk

I'm still rocking Colossus. Even if its worst tank spec in the game, I won't change it. I hope they tweak it somehow in future. They trolled Colossus with that buff after MT got buffed on 5th May changes

[crude notch]

sorry i forgot i started looking for you like an hour ago, then ran into some issues myself so.

But yeah, they're working on it.

[limber bison]

For 18+ keys, do tanks usually go left or right first?

[opal ledge]

colossus is doing fine, even better dmg than thane actualyl

[ivory barn]

thats normal to me

[opal ledge]

idk... since colossus use more revenge, it usually cast IP a bit less i think, so the effect is kinda the same

but i'm not totally sure, never checked that on logs

[dense glade]

Is there a dungeon that's really good to spend voidcores on, that has a lot of bis items?

[crude notch]

that =/= the ongoing issue.

[abstract arch]

Seat has gloves neck and weapon

WS has belt and trinket

Npx has the rings

[ivory barn]

welll I can tell how people arent timing 2's now

[frosty mango]

Really gonna depend on your current gear

Seat prob best for fresh gear because it has 3 bis plus a solid ring and catalyst pieces

[lusty grotto]

AA is the best one

but seat is close

either way, droptimizer ftw

[novel temple]

they just need to add execute back to colossus, since it'd also buff arms too

[opaque oriole]

I’m a healer main, any tips on knowing when to use spell reflect to reflect and for the magic DR in keys?

[lusty grotto]

the pinned sheet

and, if its targetted and kickable its usually reflectable

[opaque oriole]

So I need dungeon knowledge is from the sheet?
There’s no way to know right before pulling a pack that they deal magic-infused-melees for instance?

[lusty grotto]

no

you learn by doing

as always

or use the sheet

[opaque oriole]

True true

[lusty grotto]

you do know what pins are right

just i ncase

4th pinned message has the link

[opaque oriole]

Thanks man 👍

[lost lion]

What do we think of the new adjustments? Do we use the magic damage reduction now or is it basically still never used?

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/tank-adjustments-incoming-13-may-618825

[winged oar]

nobody invites me to keys anyways, so i dont care

nice just found an 18

ill let you know how i feel

oh removed

probably thought i was a brew

[sand edge]

hey guys, why is phys comp good with prot warrior? whats about physical damage?

the warr buff?

[oak ivy]

+5% attack power is big

[winged oar]

lol

niker

[sand edge]

ty brother

[sand edge]

sup

[timid nacelle]

How we feeling with the incoming buffs?

[jagged pier]

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/indecisive-i-dont-know-not-sure-larry-david-gif-5682454

[timid nacelle]

Good enough to justify coming back from Monk? Probably the main question is good enough to start getting invited again haha

[abstract arch]

No not really

You can do what I do and run your own key and deny everyone to feel better though

[timid nacelle]

Haha love it

[slender bison]

While attack power is nice, it's resto shaman that enables phys comp historically. Usually Prot warr has place in Phys comps when arms/fury underperform. This season phys comp is actually brew/arms

[sand edge]

thank you, but why is that?

[slender bison]

Sky fury is huge for melee

[sand edge]

aaah k

[slender bison]

Put a rogue and or survival and zug is big

Hunter doesn't have it's damage 100% Phys, hence it benefits limited from warr buff

Same for dk

[jagged pier]

u want monk for phy comp to

[slender bison]

Yes, depends on season. Which monk is best. If you get Prot warr mw you need BL via enh sham

[fringe venture]

I started doing this and list as "Anti meta class group" and ppl joining found It funny, now im pushing my Keys with the unloved classes and we are going fine🙂

[sand edge]

does dk count as phys?

[slender bison]

He has partial Phys dmg

He is not in Phys comp historically, only take for CR/AMZ. But benefits partially from warr buff

He does lots of magic dmg

[sand edge]

kk ty

[slender bison]

Don't overthink it unless you're doing 19-20 resils

[naive ravine]

Which dmg from hunter isnt physical?

[slender bison]

The arcane/nature/shadow bits

Depends on season spec

[naive ravine]

I do not rly believe thats how the ap shout from warrior works tho

[crisp ocean]

I have myth items that aint bis should I just upgrade them?

[drowsy comet]

@undone beacon

[limpid burrow]

If you have crests why not bcs when you get bis you can just upgrade them free

[crisp ocean]

ohh wth

[serene wave]

Hey gang, I'm tryin to push onto 16s, what do you guys recommend at build wise at that breakpoint? I've seen people take 1lvl of apex and more spec stuff.

[naive ravine]

No

[sweet egret]

I suggest u go with normal talent build for maximum success

[blazing shuttle]

Okay, that's going to sound very stupid, but.

For a 17, is this an OK pull?

Cause I got 4 deaths in the first seconds.
To chains.

[true idol]

your party needs to talent into things that can remove the snare

but yeah thats normal

[blazing shuttle]

They also stacked on top of one another.

We had an outlaw, aug, BM, Mist

They all blew up at the same fucking time.

[slender bison]

Idk its not quantum physics. Main stat 1:1 attack power conversion -> Warrior buff -> Abilities main stat/AP % damage calculation. Final white swing AP % damage calculation. Any class that gets AP scaling benefits from it.

[sweet egret]

that is not a problem you can do anything about, if they can't play the can't

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah.

-# I love how they were all silent about it, not a word.

[naive ravine]

You said hunter doesnt benefit from warr buff that great cuz part of his dmg is non physical

[sweet egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/EAOBUVUFEVVGYRqRQBEOVUVFRFFWRVRER0CAAFFVVVUCQQ or swap tough as nails to battle-scarred veteran if you want an extra defensive

[slender bison]

I talked shit, was thinking of monk debuff in phys comp with warr. That only applies to phys. Dark ranges/DKs magic abilities (while scaling with AP) dont benefit from monk debuff.

[fringe mural]

will the snare keep you from taking dmg?

[naive ravine]

Oh okay that makes more sense then

[fringe mural]

or is it just to move

[sweet egret]

yes, if you break the snare you remove the entire ability

[fringe mural]

nice