The rule of thumb is that if stats increase damage, they increase survivability too, as every stat has defensive value
#protection
undone beacon
The only thing thats hard to gauge defensively with sims is defensive trinkets really
Since they'll always sim worse than an offensive trinket
daring marlin
DEFENSIVE TRINKETS 🤢
undone beacon
Pwarr is super durable in raid, you shouldn't have issues surviving unless you're failing mechanics
ivory barn
DEFENSIVE TRINKETS 🤢
harsh trellis
Do you have jundies for this?
ivory barn
Do you have jundies for this?
No
lucid lantern
The rule of thumb is that if stats increase damage, they increase survivability ...
ty for your help
harsh trellis
No
I would grab this. https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1
daring marlin
ivory barn
I end up changing so much of others stuff I started making my own, got a screenshot of what that looks like?
daring marlin
Come back to us
harsh trellis
I end up changing so much of others stuff I started making my own, got a screens...
Sure
ivory barn
Oh dear God. Not that trinket ☠️
daring marlin
Oh dear God. Not that trinket ☠️
THE BEST TRINKET EVER?
dusky canopy
35 de other side on my paladin to get blood scale
harsh trellis
The casters will always stay teal
undone beacon
How can y'all say thats the best trinket ever when MODULAR PLATINUM PLATING exists
dusky canopy
2nd best trinket in the game is aegis
ivory barn
That overlap on the last one 
dusky canopy
Insane hidden value
harsh trellis
That overlap on the last one <:sadge:820202363359854633>
You can adjust it
its all adjustable
ivory barn
Bring back a ghetto arcano crystal 
warm plinth
Arcanocrystal being good wasn't the problem with arcanocrystal honestly
The problem was that blizzard was like you know what, let's keep people fishing for this forever via titanforging and relinquished tokens
ivory barn
I got one the last week it was available 
pastel summit
now we log on one a week to do raid in an hour and get our bonus rolls and check our vault then log out
eh
this is certainly nice for not having to play ig
ivory barn
Arcanocrystal being good wasn't the problem with arcanocrystal honestly
Your username is haunting me rn
warm plinth
Thank you
ivory barn
Guild tried to make me play that shit last night
ivory barn
To tank a 14AA
pastel summit
xd
warm plinth
Smfh
daring marlin
The problem was that blizzard was like you know what, let's keep people fishing ...
OHHHHH MAN TITANFUCKED GEAR
ivory barn
toxic pewter
shield prob wont be able to be upgraded right
toxic pewter
didnt it say weapons and trinkets
plush tendon
Shield is a weapon
undone beacon
Shields and off-hands are classified as armor but lumped into weapons as they are in the weapon slots
plush tendon
Paladins throw theirs, we slam ours into people
undone beacon
Always been this way
toxic pewter
off hands are weapons i guess right
dusky canopy
That’s why you can upgrade shield for free with a 2h weapon
heavy sparrow
Can confirm shield is a weapon.
I have a 6/6 mythic 1 hander and 285 shield. I retrieved another 1 hander and can only upgrade to 285
warm plinth
Shields are weapons in some context, armor in other context, and offhand in other context. It's the most restricted versatile piece of equipment in the game
daring marlin
guys, I'm thinking we should make hardcore retail toons
lusty grotto
@dusky canopy 's mom is a weapon in some context, armor in other context, and offhand in other context. It's the most restricted versatile piece of equipment in the game
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
undone beacon
lusty grotto
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395223746062848051/1500961029419434115/s...
ty sir, my hands are stretched
daring marlin
@lusty grotto episode 6 peak
lusty grotto
i shall watch
charred shard
Hey while using all my bonus rolls on Seat of Triumvirat (hoping to get the 1h weapon), I actually managed to get the two set rings. Now they kinda sucks in terms of stat, but they are in Mythic track while my occlusion set is in HM track. Is the "Avoidance" bonus of this new set any good?
undone beacon
Avoidance is not very good for tanks, no
But you should sim the rings to see whats better
analog lily
It's absolutly unfair that Gdruid doing 40% more damage than us.
I hope we can get dmg buff like bears :/
daring marlin
lol
urban vortex
Yeah but do they have Spell Reflect
daring marlin
The anomaly will be the one to be smacked.
Especially since they don't take their apex at all now?
Nuclear launch detected!!!
analog lily
Pfff....
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> 's mom is a weapon in some context, armor in other context...
Lmfao
floral zenith
SS, TC and revenge are all better damage than execute?
If this is true then there’s never room to execute
lusty grotto
yes there is
in execute range
and ST
because execute does not cleave unless you talent Heavy Handed
jagged pier
There is space it takes revenges slot on st
floral zenith
I don’t feel like there is. Like bosses on ST , you almost ALWAYS can press SS, TC or revenge
jagged pier
If u can execute u dont press revenge
lusty grotto
even before the buffs
floral zenith
So on ST
- SS
- TC
- execute
- revenge?
lusty grotto
what hero tree are you talking about
lusty grotto
you could have started with that key piece of info
floral zenith
Mountain thane
lusty grotto
TB > SS > TC > Rev/Exe
why would you put revenge vs execute when there's a very clear execute window
jagged pier
So on ST
1) SS
2) TC
3) execute
4) revenge?
On st there is no ezecute or revenge its just dependent on boss hp its revenge or execute, if u can exexute u press that if u cant u press revenge
floral zenith
Okay, it’s interesting that you also put TB over SS, I’ve looked at both wowhead and icyveins and it just has SS highest
ivory barn
So did blizzard unbrick it again
lofty warren
Where are emergency bear tuning notes
ivory barn
Guard druid nerfed by ~14% aura
lofty warren
Dont think blizz will want every mdi dungeon to be bear that is pressing 3 buttons?
Or maybe they do 
lusty grotto
Okay, it’s interesting that you also put TB over SS, I’ve looked at both wowhead...
we dont do wowhead anymore, look at Icy-Veins again
floral zenith
Isn’t the wowhead rotation for prot warrior a bit lackluster then?
A learning warrior like me reads the rotation section, and execute for MT is placed at the bottom of the rotation, making it seem like execute is worse than revenge on ST
undone beacon
icy veins is the guide we reccomend
floral zenith
Okay I’ll try to check that one out again, thanks bros
ivory barn
Wowhead is......
floral zenith
Is icyveins more reliable for other specs too?
undone beacon
Depends entirely on the spec
undone beacon
For some yes, for some no
lofty warren
Okay I’ll try to check that one out again, thanks bros
Dont believe that it says to use wowhead for pwar in #protection-faq . Only icy veins is the one that can be trusted now
floral zenith
Okay wowhead seemed to give misleaadinf info for prot on many occasions so far
undone beacon
we dont use wowhead for pwarr because the wowhead writer for that guide is not a protection warrior
Our wowhead writer retired and they have a stand-in
ivory barn
Sad part about that is you can't even ask them to copy IV
lofty warren
Guardian have the same problem where they are saying wowhead is wrong for bears
ivory barn
Isn't the prot war writer.... A bear druid
dusky canopy
So did blizzard unbrick it again
Wait they allow this?
jagged pier
I dont think its more its wrong i think wowhead kinda wanted shorter more streamlined guides
So theres jist not as much info and they are directed at your average wow player
Thats not ppl in here
undone beacon
i've got the lock halfway through 86
just gotta get to 88 so i can turn in all these delve shits and do the crafts and win
daring marlin
big
lofty warren
If wowhead is just abbreviated and not flat out "wrong" then does that mean this st priority for mountain thane is accurate?
Thats straight from wh page I loaded now
ivory barn
If wowhead is just abbreviated and not flat out "wrong" then does that mean this...
Where is tblast, or shield charge
crisp ocean
no shield block too
lofty warren
Must not be important. I have promptly unelected it from my talents, pairs we'll with my 1/4 apex 
ivory barn
Must not be important. I have promptly unelected it from my talents, pairs we'll...
Just add 
while you're at it
vivid shuttle
Must not be important. I have promptly unelected it from my talents, pairs we'll...
Hello Pepega, we have a lot of discussion to have in Guardian chat
Come come
pss pss pss psss psss, leave the warriors alone
ivory barn
sharp gale
My monk has more ilvl than my war bc the myth achievement
mighty valley
If wowhead is just abbreviated and not flat out "wrong" then does that mean this...
it is wrong but the guide writer isn't reading your posts so there's no hope
lofty warren
it is wrong but the guide writer isn't reading your posts so there's no hope
Is there hope to remove link to wowhead from #protection-faq ? Or even better out red text that says wowhead is wrong and to not use it for pwar so it is more explicit
mighty valley
idk i just think it's not that serious
if a casual prot warrior who doesn't want to do more than read one guide never presses execute, it's not the end of the world
ivory barn
Yeah but picture that in your key one day
mighty valley
a tank that doesn't press execute in a setting that's mostly aoe? oh no
most of being a good tank in m+ is barely covered in a guide anyway and just has to be learned through play
ivory barn
The bigger picture would be "what else would be missing"
It's like the 1/4 phalanx build
lofty warren
Imo if something says its a guide, tells you to pick shield charge talent, and doesnt have anywhere in rotation page then it doesnt fulfill the thing it is saying it is
daring marlin
My monk has more ilvl than my war bc the myth achievement
play less
lofty warren
Ok it is on the page but where is it in my priority
mighty valley
idk, they put all of the CDs in a separate section
it's in the opener
you have to scroll an inch to see it
or click a tab
lofty warren
Ok got it, its a charge thay stuns and it should be "used on cd"
So that means I should shield charge, avatar, and then demo shout
mighty valley
i think all guides should have a disclaimer that's like "these are simplified basics, you will learn more by playing the game and talking to experienced prot warriors"
mighty valley
lofty warren
Shield charge and demo shout are both gcd. How do I know which to press?
How do I know when to press thunder blast or throw spear (the silencing one)
mighty valley
here's one sample suggestion
you stop reading guides, talk to people, play the game
daring marlin
you stop reading guides, talk to people, play the game
no
daring marlin
I wanna do everything but the boring learning reps
lusty grotto
How about I add this: stop dissecting a guide we have little or no contact to the author for suggestions or feedback
tame jasper
Okay. They DO exists, but funny that I see them for the first time and get them as bonus roll and then from chest too
lusty grotto
Extremely pointless
mighty valley
How about I add this: stop dissecting a guide we have little or no contact to th...
but do i do this before or after avatar
ivory barn
If the guide writer would join discord 💪
dusky canopy
Why does wowhead cast execute?
@lusty grotto
lilac olive
execute got buffed
mighty valley
love that the top pin in the discord still says to ping nim
dusky canopy
Lmfao
undone beacon
@lusty grotto Got those aoe sims?
lusty grotto
I do
undone beacon
lofty warren
How about I add this: stop dissecting a guide we have little or no contact to th...
I get that wh shouldn't be discussed but by having it in the prot-faq page isnt it being "discussed" implicitly by just having it?
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
ivory barn
The amount of people the last few days asking about wh, is the game as the 1/4 crowd
lusty grotto
This isn't the first time we've had guides that differ
lofty warren
Would think if the faq page didnt says "hey go read the wh guide" then less ppl would go to it
lofty warren
K. Not my problem usually ppl are redirected if they ask in here
pastel summit
execute got buffed
needs more buffed
ivory barn
Make execute cleavable with thunder clap with that talent
ivory barn
give execute 100% chance to reset shield slam
5% per target hit up to 25% would be fine with me
distant prawn
anyone knows if we can get the amount of total rage pooled in a dungeon through logs ?
nvm found it
lofty warren
needs more buffed
Where is our 200% increase to aoe stomp?
pastel summit
truu
mighty valley
5% per target hit up to 25% would be fine with me
so a flat nerf LOL
ivory barn
How would that be a nerf is Tclap cleaved execute
mighty valley
currently, execute has a 25% chance to reset ss
mighty valley
9.0 condemn only
ivory barn
Give prot condemn
Necrolord banner or bust
mighty valley
banner is the biggest "you think you want it but you don't" of this discord
lofty warren
In sl I remember you needed to intervene to max dps i didn't like it
mighty valley
and strafe out to charge
lusty grotto
no, you intervened to get an SB up
mighty valley
i mean, reprisal gave us a whole gift package every time we did charge/intervene, more than just sb uptime
lusty grotto
sure, but the primary reason was to get an SB up
lofty warren
You would even jump away so you could charge in to get x benefit whatever it was
mighty valley
if you weren't using it well, you'd struggle to keep banner up too
mighty valley
i'm sure most players did
so it'd be a balancing nightmare to have so much of our power loaded into it again
toxic pewter
yes for sure
mighty valley
i'm glad it was allowed to exist briefly but if we weren't the community consensus worst tank for the whole expansion, it definitely would've been nerfed like crazy lol
lofty warren
Gotta wait to pull next bc you want to stand close to corpses and necro shield yourself 🤡
mighty valley
your banner just dropped. you are kicked from the group
plush tendon
i'm glad it was allowed to exist briefly but if we weren't the community consens...
wait, Prot War was 100% not the worst tank
lofty warren
I was playing it so I assume it wasn't the absolute worst
plush tendon
from my memory, every tank (even the meta VDH) was struggling in S1
by S2 there was some parity, but I think bear/prot pal were favorites?
and then S3 was BDK dominance, but Prot War was like 2nd best
lofty warren
S1 was the kite meta where all the tanks had to kite. S2 was bear and s3 was bdk
mighty valley
mighty valley
tank balance was honestly pretty decent from s2 onwards but the community perception barely shifted
mighty valley
yeah i'm not saying the power was actually in the ground
but we were considered bad and the popularity was v low
ivory barn
I played Necrolord and night fae for warrior back then
mighty valley
night fae and kyrian were basically equivalent until double legendaries made necro great
plush tendon
was Shadowlands Season 2 peak Tank balance?
mighty valley
was Shadowlands Season 2 peak Tank balance?
honestly yeah. s3 would've been too if not for Literally One Weapon
plush tendon
honestly yeah. s3 would've been too if not for Literally One Weapon
it wasnt just gavel
that tier set for BDK was nuts
whoever made it
was fucking high
40% strength, close to 100% uptime on DRW
yea ok
mighty valley
the brew tier set was insane too but gavel put bdk over the top
fucking BEARS were making gavel work
it's funny, tank balance was kinda decent again in df s2 EXCEPT the aug god comp needed a druid buff somewhere
daring marlin
night fae and kyrian were basically equivalent until double legendaries made nec...
the legendary banner...pants? goated
aug made me quit DF
dumpster fire
ivory barn
Necrolord destro lock incinerate 1 shots were fucking funny
lofty warren
opaque oriole
Why is mountain thane prefered in keys? (Looking at logs)
Seems to me that colossus is sturdy too but deals 10-15% more dps
lofty warren
undone beacon
Why is mountain thane prefered in keys? (Looking at logs)
Seems to me that colos...
They buffed thane this week, its back on top for damage. Buffs have only been out for 2 days for US so not a ton of new parses
lofty warren
Why is mountain thane prefered in keys? (Looking at logs)
Seems to me that colos...
Thane better threat with lots of aoe stomp and they just got buffed
opaque oriole
They buffed thane this week, its back on top for damage. Buffs have only been ou...
When I look at top logs for let’s say Seat, only 2.5% play colossus, but they do more damage, those few
undone beacon
When I look at top logs for let’s say Seat, only 2.5% play colossus, but they do...
Are they logs from the past two days?
opaque oriole
And all the logs are from last week
undone beacon
Last week colossus and thane were even
This week thane got a buff
So thane will overtake again
lofty warren
Did last week happen before or after may 5?
ivory barn
plush tendon
Thane is also easier to play
and yea, the aoe threat is much easier for Thane with reduce CDR on TClap (and extra damage on TClap)
for Col you have to weave in revenge while you gather
opaque oriole
So it’s mainly ease of play and consistency?
plush tendon
Consistent, ease of play (people prefer it) and it should do more damage
with the recent buffs
lofty warren
So it’s mainly ease of play and consistency?
thane does more damage and has better aoe threat
lofty warren
Ok sry
undone beacon
Pepega's blood pressure is high rn cuz of bear stuff
tribal wharf
is there free repair for all armor types via profession?
opaque oriole
Archon has colossus about 20% over thane though?
tribal wharf
as i have with blacksmith
i assume the same is true with cloth, and leather and chainmail armor
lusty grotto
sigh
lofty warren
Now im starting to like this guy. more archon
lusty grotto
why do we have to have one more person pasting that shit
tribal wharf
only 872 reaver dh
opaque oriole
why do we have to have one more person pasting that shit
Is it bad to post that?
Or is there a more welcome sub for newcomers?
undone beacon
Archon has colossus about 20% over thane though?
Thane got buffed two days ago
opaque oriole
Thane got buffed two days ago
Got buffed about 5% wowhead wrote
lilac olive
people sandbagging with 1/4 apex
lusty grotto
Is it bad to post that?
out of context, archon.gg is a pepega staple, dont do this
and yes Nobleman is 100% correct
opaque oriole
out of context, archon.gg is a pepega staple, dont do this
What’s pepega mean?
mighty valley
with a small sample size like that it could be anything, maybe the one-trick colossus community is just goated
undone beacon
People run 1/4 apex thane and then wonder why the numbers look bad 
For a week people ran 4/4 apex colossus and did good numbies
And now, people running 4/4 apex thane should do good numbies
ivory barn
I got shown that talent build.... Fuck 1/4
undone beacon
But the people who swapped off of thane and did high keys are usually knowers who wouldn't do 1/4 apex colossus
mighty valley
people who play colossus when it's not deemed meta are statistically more attractive, wealthier, etc
daring marlin
I DUNNO GUYS I CAN PICK UP A TALENT THAT GIVES ME A LIL HEALING AND LAST STAND OK
opaque oriole
Why would you run 1/4 and why is that common?
daring marlin
I LOSE 5% DR AND DAMAGE THO
undone beacon
Why would you run 1/4 and why is that common?
You dont run 1/4, its a holdover theorycraft from beta people can't seem to let go of
mighty valley
Why would you run 1/4 and why is that common?
some streamers did it so it trickled through data sites like archon
undone beacon
When our apex was different
ivory barn
I DUNNO GUYS I CAN PICK UP A TALENT THAT GIVES ME A LIL HEALING AND LAST STAND O...
just do this
opaque oriole
You dont run 1/4, its a holdover theorycraft from beta people can't seem to let ...
I’m totally new and it’s the first I’m hearing
daring marlin
you guys like doing LESS damage right?
undone beacon
I’m totally new and it’s the first I’m hearing
Good. Dont do 1/4
lusty grotto
I’m totally new and it’s the first I’m hearing
read the pins
plush tendon
you guys like doing LESS damage right?
heck yea! Tanks shouldnt do damage
Reddit told me
daring marlin
but hp pool bigger mean more gooder right?
mighty valley
<:KEKW:1486426802762154225> just do this
dropping 3% strength for one point is kinda wack
lofty warren
Chinese ppl still use 1/4 but im starting to think its a pysop
ivory barn
I’m totally new and it’s the first I’m hearing
Never do 1/4 it's trash
daring marlin
look guys
ivory barn
dropping 3% strength for one point is kinda wack
Yeah you telling me
ivory barn
I had to run that and it was sus
tribal wharf
I LOSE 5% DR AND DAMAGE THO
mighty valley
if I stack Stam and defense rating I'll be so good
expertise stonks rising
plush tendon
expertise stonks rising
expertise and hit dumb
opaque oriole
Do you still stance dance or is defensive stance to good to swap off?
undone beacon
BAM the lock is 90 lets hit some 10s 
daring marlin
if I stack Stam and defense rating I'll be so good
guys I'm gonna go farm for my block value set brb
lusty grotto
Do you still stance dance or is defensive stance to good to swap off?
we dont regularly do it, no, we stay in dstance
mighty valley
Do you still stance dance or is defensive stance to good to swap off?
generally not worth the coggy load to think about stance dancing unless you're parsing farm content
opaque oriole
we dont regularly do it, no, we stay in dstance
👍
lusty grotto
you can choose to do it in raids when not actively tanking
mighty valley
it is TECHNICALLY free damage whenever you're not in danger but like. if you ever forget to switch back to dstance when it matters you're fucked lol
ivory barn
BAM the lock is 90 lets hit some 10s <:peepo:938582175522107442>
Making me wanna gear my 220 assa rogue
daring marlin
I may have a WS on someone
lofty warren
I go into dps stance for the entire 2nd boss of skyreach
daring marlin
might need to bait people to carry you tho lol
pastel summit
Do you still stance dance or is defensive stance to good to swap off?
If you're taking little to no damage and are gonna remember to swap back.
tribal wharf
plush tendon
this has happened to me on Saladhar
lofty warren
Changing your stance is not gcd
plush tendon
was vibin in battle stance doing big deeps
tribal wharf
we have the technology to make that shit work now, now just jankily so
plush tendon
then I taunt for tank buster and forgot to swap
tribal wharf
i like how synth has such a punchy sounds to it
same with chiptune music like c64 and other early computers
pastel summit
Almost surprised stances for prot didn't get pruned
mighty valley
it was odd that they got brought back
pastel summit
Makes sense for the other specs to retain them
tribal wharf
im suprised that they didnt give fury bstance and fury stance
pastel summit
It was like we don't wanna lose dmg by being in dstance but right now we do no dmg because we have to take all the defensive talents
dusky canopy
They tune you around being in stance all the time so it isn’t as broken as it seems
tribal wharf
instead gets defensive stance
plush tendon
Almost surprised stances for prot didn't get pruned
it might be a pvp thing
dusky canopy
But it is powerful
tribal wharf
the total aggro spec, gets a defensive stance? what logic is that?
pastel summit
it might be a pvp thing
You don't leave defensive on prot and nobody plays it.
The other specs keeping it makes sense.
mighty valley
the total aggro spec, gets a defensive stance? what logic is that?
defensives are very important for dps players
pastel summit
Well, arms anyways. Not sure about fury.
plush tendon
You don't leave defensive on prot and nobody plays it.
sometimes... its ok to have options
tribal wharf
sure, but for flavor have it be in battlestance at best or whatever
pastel summit
sometimes... its ok to have options
When
Because I can't think of a single situation
tribal wharf
i dunno, if im fury, the last thing im thinking about is living and instead killing
mighty valley
remember when fury warriors took more damage just for existing lol
pastel summit
Beloran burn
Ah yes that's my favorite pvp activity
lusty grotto
remember when fury warriors took more damage just for existing lol
i remember og berserker stance
plush tendon
Oh, I think we getting confused
lofty warren
In tww didnt pwars always want to be in d stance no matter what
plush tendon
XD
pastel summit
I mean you said pvp so
tribal wharf
the rest of midnight will hinge on how easy it is for me to get all weapon slots free repairs
dusky canopy
plush tendon
for PVP, maybe while you gotta run away
pastel summit
in pve of course if you aren't being hit or are just parsing you sit battle
plush tendon
and not doing any damage
tribal wharf
cuz from there, flasks dont cost much gold
pastel summit
psure i didnt press dstance back in omega
plush tendon
might as well be in D-Stance
mighty valley
In tww didnt pwars always want to be in d stance no matter what
tww was the same as now basically
dstance just got even better
pastel summit
no dstance no battle scarred
lofty warren
I thought as tank even if you weren't taking damage you wanted to d atance
tribal wharf
so, if i dont have to pay any gold hardly to run a key, instead of, 500 for flask, 10 gold for food (that expires on death, thank god for hearty)
pastel summit
If you're out of combat you still want dstance if there's any stealthies
tribal wharf
weapon stones, etc
pastel summit
and again it's so little dmg in pve surprised it didnt just get axed
mighty valley
I thought as tank even if you weren't taking damage you wanted to d atance
no, exactly same dynamic as now. bstance had a damage bonus and free to switch to but it was tiny
tribal wharf
and i'm hoping i'd meet players who can also repair for free, to run 12 and + keys
pastel summit
i guess its just retaining that warrior stance thing
mighty valley
it was totally fine to stay in dstance always, as now
but it was technically optimal to use the bstance dmg bonus when you could
lofty warren
Hmm. Maybe bc i only did keys as war i never left dstance anyway
mighty valley
i mean yeah, it was the tiniest optimization that was only worth thinking about to sickos
which is the same as now
humble mason
You could also argue that Dstance is still better to minimize any amount of raidwide damage so healers dont have to pay attention to you
undone beacon
healing parses
wooden lily
Gotta make healers happy or they dont wanna heal
humble mason
I had no idea you could remove the chains cast by the elite in Seat using berserker rage. I dont know if I should feel like an idiot or a genius
wooden lily
They like their parses
undone beacon
teehee
hexed moth
getting in pug groups for +18 is nightmare as prot warr
cerulean tusk
I would invite you
undone beacon
getting in pug groups for +18 is nightmare as prot warr
shrewd cosmos
That's why you get resi 17 and do your own group
ivory barn
getting in pug groups for +18 is nightmare ~~as prot warr~~
Do you play an ass backwards build
undone beacon
Do you play an ass backwards build <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I play a shadow priest
cerulean tusk
So that is a yes
jade karma
hello guys!
new here,
got some questions if anyone can help!
1; got hero sword and shield
since myth weapon is prio; what should I craft first sword or shield?
2; any good guides/ youtuber to follow etc..?
tribal wharf
topic x for youtuber active pwar
thing with 1h weapon is myth is +3 or +4 ilvl higher, so more stats more dps
so in the end crafted wont really matter
ivory barn
hello guys!
new here,
got some questions if anyone can help!
1; got hero swo...
Icy Veins is a good place to get info from
jade karma
thank youguys
ivory barn
that link is tww
cerulean tusk
ivory barn
I grabbed that from prot faq
cerulean tusk
Glad Pwarrior is kept up to date in here
ivory barn
I hope Mwahi doesn't yell at me....
lofty warren
they are thinking about tww classic
ivory barn
@ionic fern the link in #protection-faq message for Icy Veins points to a TWW guide, could we please update to midnight 😁
elfin elk
that final spell reflect on mythic paladins hits like crack 
cerulean tusk
charred ivy
do all kind of tanks take more dmg from back . or it matter less for some?
tribal wharf
kind of
you cant block or dodge or parry or whatever hits from behind
so never do that if possible
but all tanks share that weakness, all players really
lofty warren
Bear cant get stabbed in the back is that right
charred ivy
i see druids just run in pressing www pulling all kind of shit w/o a problem so was wondering xD
tribal wharf
i dont know why that is that bear can take back hit
shrewd cosmos
I don't know I've seen how monk and bear gather doesn't look like this
humble mason
Prot warriors will EXPLODE if they take damage from behind because most of our mitigation comes from blocking
Same with paladin
fringe mural
<@238357283996696576> the link in https://discord.com/channels/14887221074277171...
The protection faq seems to be completely tww
probably not updated at all
humble mason
Druids and monks dont have that weakness because their mitigation is not a fundamental stat that already exists
lofty warren
The protection faq seems to be completely tww
Yes and it links to wowhead too
humble mason
Well, monks have staagger I mean
Druids have armor
Which does not care about which direction shit comes frmo
lofty warren
Monks can get backshot 100%
ivory barn
The protection faq seems to be completely tww
Oh 
ruh roh me I guess
undone beacon
Monks get fucked up when hit from behind because dodge is super important for them
humble mason
Really? I imagined stagger would mitigate that pretty heavily for them
undone beacon
just because they can stagger it doesnt mean they want to
Less hits taken = less damage you need to stagger = you die less
lofty warren
Stagger us after you take damage
undone beacon
Bear also cant dodge from behind but since their main mitigation is ironfur/self healing/big butt its less important but still a bad habit to let mobs behind you
Its bad for any tank to take backshots
humble mason
Yeah, not saying you should ever turn your back to mobs
ivory barn
"You like being clapped, just turn your back"
humble mason
But a prot warrior will die almost instantly, a druid will not
undone beacon
Sure
shrewd cosmos
What about DH ?
undone beacon
DH is very reliant on parry so, yeah they will explode too
humble mason
DHs rely on parry pretty heavily as far as I know
undone beacon
Bear is really the only tank that can get away with being sloppy as they dont rely on dodge/parry/block
humble mason
Interesting, I assumed monks could also do so, but I guess stagger isnt really as strong as I perceive ot to be
undone beacon
Stagger is strong but if you take unmitigated damage from the back its going to give you ungodly high stagger and you can drop
Stagger is good because monk dodges a lot, and what they dont dodge gets staggered
shrewd cosmos
I still don't understand how leather armour is better then plate
humble mason
Ah, so dodging is their main defensive mechanic and stagger is a secondary layer?
undone beacon
They work in tandem. Both are important
humble mason
I see
undone beacon
Without one or the other the spec wouldnt work
humble mason
That makes sense
ivory barn
How does the 3rd bonus roll work? Does it ignore cap
undone beacon
Yes
ivory barn
Aight cool
pallid quiver
Without one or the other the spec wouldnt work
Sure it would, just gotta add a little bit of the cheat engine in
sullen palm
that final spell reflect on mythic paladins hits like crack <:erga:1225875048590...
What did you reflect
lusty grotto
@daring marlin seen, was good
sullen palm
take a look at the reflect sheet
hazy crest
wtf we can just reflect final verdict and get a free pass on that damn tank swap
sullen palm
I’m not sure how it work we just started our prog on pallys so keen so some insight
lusty grotto
wtf we can just reflect final verdict and get a free pass on that damn tank swap
sure, but the important part is reflecting sotr
you can do both
sotr does deal a shitload of damage
FV is just a deflect
hazy crest
just thinking if we fumble the taunt swap, I never even though of trying to reflect FV
but good to know, I'll definitely reflect sotr now
lusty grotto
i recommend not relying on it, if you reflect an exorcism, you will drop dead
its not a cheat code to live the swap
especially if as thane where you will have senn agro from just about any other tank
hazy crest
Yes I always do, pally OT
what about reflecting exorcism will get me killed? You saying reflecting that when trying to reflect FV
lusty grotto
do you know how reflecting works?
lusty grotto
but yes, you take both, exorcism consumes the reflect, you take full damage from a bad swap
hazy crest
ok, figured just making sure I was tracking
I don't want to rely on it, and at this point we have the swap down. But just having it as an oh-shit button on a botched swap is good to have in the back pocket
untold veldt
Is colossus viable at all or does thane reign supreme
lusty grotto
colossus was never not viable
thane is superior in dps, but that doesnt mean colossus suffers in viability
abstract arch
Col is both viable and more fun
frosty mango
thane is superior in dps, but that doesnt mean colossus suffers in viability
I actually think colossus probably does more dps than thane in some scenarios, like low key level large pulls
lusty grotto
sure, theres always nuance
untold veldt
I was under the impression it was a ton more rage starved
frosty mango
I was under the impression it was a ton more rage starved
That doesn’t matter when everything dies in 20 seconds
harsh trellis
I dont feel rage starved as colossus
untold veldt
Which meant a lot less ip
lusty grotto
its rage starved if you dont know how to play it
frosty mango
Probably a misunderstanding based on rage spend
frosty mango
Thane prob generates more rage but we’re just burning it with ip, you never get starved on rage
lusty grotto
not with execute being a thing
frosty mango
Probably on raid bosses that just stand there also
Eh I find thane better in that scenario
timid wigeon
why don't we go left after the 1st boss in Sky Reach ? the right side has shit load of bleed stacking
harsh trellis
we do go left
left is the right way to go
just go left and pull everything
focus the little sun thing that spawns
I go left after first boss, right after bird boss
edgy jacinth
hello new prot warrior here. i do not find myself using execute, should i drop the points in cruel strikes for other options?
mighty valley
hello new prot warrior here. i do not find myself using execute, should i drop t...
sadly you need cruel strikes to get anger management
edgy jacinth
i see now ty
mighty valley
there aren't a ton of great points on the class tree anyway
would be nice if barb training was easier for colossus to pick up
heavy sparrow
I go left after first boss, right after bird boss
Woops I've been going left, and then left
harsh trellis
Woops I've been going left, and then left
Whatever you are comfortable with really
sweet egret
I had no idea you could remove the chains cast by the elite in Seat using berser...
berserker rage removes "fear, sap and some incapacitate effects" I don't think that includes chains in seat?
lusty grotto
berserker rage removes "fear, sap and some incapacitate effects" I don't think t...
fearless talent
sweet egret
Woops I've been going left, and then left
I've only been going left+left all season without issue
sweet egret
fearless talent
he said nothing about any talent though?
lusty grotto
its implied
sweet egret
oh, my bad
heavy sparrow
I've only been going left+left all season without issue
I'm just getting skill checked that's all
sweet egret
can someone help me understand why these numbers are different?
lusty grotto
on a key parse is just ranking based on leaderboard
key % is the actual dps ranking based on logs
sweet egret
in the list of my 3 runs it says I did 68k dps but if I enter the log it says 71k too
lusty grotto
you have an aug
sweet egret
oh so it removes some damage for that?
lusty grotto
it removes what it can and its re-attributed to the aug
sweet egret
thanks
would you like to look at the log and see if you can tell why I am not doing more damage? I believe I fixed the rage wasting and hopefully stopped using too much revenge (although I don't know how to tell that)
these were things I was told to improve
lusty grotto
feel free
sweet egret
lusty grotto
decent cpm
bare min of effective block
not a huge waste of rage
yeah it looks good
why are you playing storm shield, you have no intervene
not that'll make any difference
sweet egret
ye I intentionally let sb drop when just on the last mob of a pack since I just started using itf
I am using it because I want storm bolt on shorter cd
lusty grotto
why not just
talent rumbling
and not second wind since 2nd wind does jack shit for us
also
youre dropping a lot of damage not playing TaN
drop EA for BSV, not TaN
lusty grotto
link sim
sweet egret
ty
lusty grotto
cause that certainly does not sound right
sweet egret
don't have links to that
I could change to rumbling but that doesn't change that it's nice to have a single target stop on a shorter cd
sweet egret
lot of things to stop sometimes and dps are slow
sweet egret
like in seat for example
lusty grotto
not sure why you would
sweet egret
it was fun saving people from fixates and stuff
daring marlin
there are no fixates this season
sweet egret
exactly
lusty grotto
the last time intervene was useful was in S1 DF in HoV for Fenryr, thats a long ass time ago
if you like "saving" people that run out of the 10yd range, i dont know what to tell you cause that shit tops off my blood pressure
lusty grotto
if they run out of the 10yd range, the buff is gone
youre doing nothing
storm shield is weak
cold pilot
I'm gonna punch Raidbots in the mouth cause it's telling me Puzzle Box is a 2.3% upgrade for me and I'd rather kms
sweet egret
necrotic wake first boss was nice for intervening
lusty grotto
necrotic wake first boss was nice for intervening
that was a bug that was never fixed, intervene only let us SR
its not the norm
heavy sparrow
I'd choose indom over EA IMO
heavy sparrow
Kinda sorta
sweet egret
ye I won't do that,
what do you mean a bug? wasn't it just a physical dmg hit that we could eat? I can't really remember exactly now
sweet egret
yet!
pastel summit
Harod and the monk in cms would run back instead of doing their mechanic if you taunted them mid leap
taunting leaps since with little luck
sweet egret
I really gotta sleep now, see ya
pastel summit
Sleep tight 
lofty warren
I'm gonna punch Raidbots in the mouth cause it's telling me Puzzle Box is a 2.3%...
true puzzle box is s tier bait
lusty grotto
lofty warren
like how you puzzle box pull 1 AA? stop for 2 sec to cast some BS and then dont have aggro or you stand there and take 4 stacks of that bs
or pull 1 MC
frosty mango
You puzzle box in aa while it gathers to you
From the center
Lots of time to puzz
opal ledge
like how you puzzle box pull 1 AA? stop for 2 sec to cast some BS and then dont ...
you kinda can just stun and use it... you can take a few hits from the lasher that's imune to stun, the dmg there is from the bleeds
but i hate puzzle box
opal ledge
I'm gonna punch Raidbots in the mouth cause it's telling me Puzzle Box is a 2.3%...
are you simming what fight duration?
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto
hey bro
if i want to setup a taunt macro specifically for the void ember and only the void ember
lusty grotto
what up
dusky canopy
would that look like this
#showtooltip Taunt
/cast [target=Void Ember,exists] Taunt; Taunt
lusty grotto
hmm...
lusty grotto
i dont know if that'll work
i think target= doesn't extend to mobs
i could be wrong
but
you could try using the boss frame
lusty grotto
you can do /cast [@boss1] Taunt
but it depends on the order of the boss frame
for @boss1 @boss2, etc
dusky canopy
kk tyty
lusty grotto
the problem is unit targetting might be broken after the addon changes
so if you call it by name it might weird
but hold on
frosty mango
/tar Void Ember
/use Taunt
/targetlasttarget
use targetexact
lusty grotto
/tar Void Ember
/use Taunt
/targetlasttarget
this one should work
dusky canopy
use `targetexact`
huh?
frosty mango
huh?
if you are macroing to target a SPECIFIC target, use /targetexact instead of /target if you need to use /targetlasttarget at the end
otherwise it will fail you eventually
the search logic on target is fuzzy
lofty warren
/tar Void Ember
/use Taunt
/targetlasttarget
that is what I used on sire denathrium during ce. can confirm it work
but there was only 1 sire not a bunch
dusky canopy
if you are macroing to target a SPECIFIC target, use `/targetexact` instead of /...
#showtooltip
/targetexact Void Ember
/use Taunt
/targetlasttarget
?
tribal wharf
apparently one of my runs was on some dudes twitch stream
but i think hes speaking russian or someting
frosty mango
#showtooltip
/targetexact Void Ember
/use Taunt
/targetlasttarget
yessir, you may need to put void ember in quotes but not sure
you can test it on the target dummy
frosty mango
it worked just now without exact
Yes the problem is because of how /target works if there is anyone in your raid with a name starting with a V or Vo then it may sometimes pick them
because it looks at all targets in your field of view then cycles a match on all of them, it does not always pick the same one
depends on your directionality and distance
if you use targetexact it will always work
targetexact doesnt care about fov or directionality, if its targetable if it exists you will target it
dusky canopy
💯
sharp gale
if i want to setup a taunt macro specifically for the void ember and only the vo...
/target Void Ember
/cast [@targettarget, help, nodead] Roar of sacrifice
/targetlasttarget
it's the macro to external the dude with the soak
so it's just
/target Void Ember
/cast Taunt
/targetlasttarget
dusky canopy
bruh i am so tilted
I had tons of pulls were im absolutely slamming like top 3 where we wipe right before the 2nd egg phase
THEN on kill pull i get the damn group soak and fudged my dstance and died to the wwalk out tick
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
lusty grotto
that was me last night on saladbar
dusky canopy
bruh actually mood so bad
lusty grotto
trueee
dusky canopy
yeah true boss is dead
undone beacon
i put my logs into spriest discord cuz i need help i swear
lusty grotto
season is over
undone beacon
i know top shadow parses are cheesing adds on a lot of fights but even then
stiff osprey
should shield charge be used over charge during opener?
especially since it gives you shield block
lusty grotto
should shield charge be used over charge during opener?
no
use it point blank
after avatar
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> the link in https://discord.com/channels/14887221074277171...
Yes,only because you asked so nicely.
ivory barn
I appreciate you!
ivory barn
time to go test my Spell Queue window settings guess reinstalling the game resets that
harsh trellis
ay!
heavy sparrow
Nice find!!
ivory barn
1.2Mil 🙂
oak ivy
cerulean tusk
R1 is a R1
opal ledge
that was quite close, 16 sec!
16 AA done, 2 more to get 16 resil... 1 more for 3400 i belive
carmine frigate
coarse bay
fringe mural
noooo 3999 xD
oh you had an ancient one
-qt was a thing like 15 years ago
i think it was in pandaria when everyone and their dog called themselves qt
or cata even
charred ivy
Any tips how to tank 16+?!feels like i take so much dmg now. Even with shield wall etc and making sure i dont get hit in back
pastel geyser
Can drop some dmg talents for def ones
naive ravine
Any tips how to tank 16+?!feels like i take so much dmg now. Even with shield wa...
Any logs?
charred ivy
Nah i dont have any :x never logged
vital vale
i think i cant really go back from being behind on the top 1% cutoff at this point if i stay prot.
i get declined to 95% of 18s, as they are waiting for bear or brew, and if i wait until those bears and brews climb up to the point people take pwars that arent over-scored for 18s then at that point the top 1% cutoff will just still rise out of reach
my only options are
-
swap to arms and try to climb that way
-
run my own resi 17 keys and then try to run my 18s and hope it doesnt deplete
-
reroll to brew/bear
-
find a premade push group (which probably wont want a pwar)
this is the reality of being a none meta tank in pugs after i slacked just 1 week in terms of score and fell behind the curve it seems
every time i gain 100 score the top 1% cutoff gains 100 score
and i stay behind
its possible that in the final couple weeks when we are all max ilvl that the balance will slightly shift in those ilvl ranges, but unlikely, but it is also possible that in the final weeks more casual players will wake up to come and get their 2k and 3k mounts and that will increase the pool and drop the 1% cutoff
or maybe im coping
fringe venture
Well at last y raised the resi 17, the shit about pwar IS starting from 15s already, pugs declines u even with high ilvl and high io on those keys
raw whale
every time i gain 100 score the top 1% cutoff gains 100 score
I experienced the same during tww s2, where VDH was meta. It was infuriating, i missed the title by 50pts because I couldn't get invited
fringe venture
I've been being declined for weeklys 10-12 when I am on resi 15 and 282 ilvl
vital vale
I've been being declined for weeklys 10-12 when I am on resi 15 and 282 ilvl
ive definitely not experienced that, but if you are doing the weekly keys on day 1 or day 2 of the week, then a lot of other over scored tanks might apply for the bonus roll runs
also since bear is catching up to brew now, and resto druid is meta, im assuming a lot of resto druids who are sick of healing are gonna try bear now and will try in lower range keys
raw whale
This season, I wanted to try again and although I could perform well enough, the reality is there : without a premade of the same level as you, to fill in your class weaknesses, you must try to climb with your own keys, and have people joining with the "oh well" mentality
vital vale
funny thing is how small the gap between 1% and 0.1% is now because of this new reward, and this change was meant to increase m+ activity but the people who never really touched m+ before still dont have a reason to participate so the overall pool doesnt increase, it just increasing the competitiveness between those that were already pushing
fringe mural
I've been being declined for weeklys 10-12 when I am on resi 15 and 282 ilvl
Do we get more invites if we run offensive?
fury or arms i mean
Especially with the new patch
vital vale
no lol
10-12 is oversaturated with dps
dps becomes less saturated at higher keys but not if you are a weak spec
vale bolt
Is there a reason not to macro in shield block into like shield slam or something? I feel like I never have to make a conscious decision on pressing it and should just press it on cd for rage dump and for defense
vital vale
Is there a reason not to macro in shield block into like shield slam or somethin...
there is a reason yes but if you are doing easy content than it doesnt matter, you can go ahead and do that for normal raiding, world content and keys up to like 10-12
but once you get to content that puts actual pressure on you, rage is better spent on ignore pain unless shield block is about to drop
vale bolt
Is the reason that you don't want to press it when you are going to have duration overlap after mobs die? Or just general damage thins
vital vale
the thing is that adding shield slam another 8 seconds duration when you already have it up for 12 seconds doesnt give you anything in terms of mitigation until those 12 seconds go by
vale bolt
but once you get to content that puts actual pressure on you, rage is better spe...
Oh yea I basically spam that shit to avoid overcapping rage
vital vale
if you have 4 seconds of shield block up, no ignore pain, and a boss is about to hit you hard, pressing shield block will not reduce the incoming damage because you already have shield block, pressing ignore pain will reduce the incoming damage, do you understand?
vale bolt
I've been thinking of freeing up a keybind to add shield charge to it's own keybind and also add heroic throw to something that's easier to press
vital vale
so by macroing shield block to your primary rage gen, you are dumping all of your rage into shield block and and only using ignore pain when no shield block charges are up
vale bolt
if you have 4 seconds of shield block up, no ignore pain, and a boss is about to...
Yup I get you
vital vale
which is fine if you dont do any content that actually puts pressure on you
your priority is to have both ignore pain and shield block up, you dont need to press shield block unless its about to fall
and if you have neither up, shield block is more important than ignore pain
the exception about shield block is that if you applied it via shield charge and you still have 2 charges of shield block up, you should use one to get the cooldown rolling
again none of this really matters in lower content, you can just press whatever you want, warrior is tanky enough with just shield block up, up to a certain point
vale bolt
I have another question about Berserker Rage. The tooltip is very ambiguous. Does it remove snares? Or does it not?
vital vale
you need to have the fearless talent for it to remove snares
snares are slows, not roots
vale bolt
Yes I have it talented. It just seems to not work on things that freedom and tiger's lust does
vale bolt
Yea I'm talking about snares not roots. I know those remove roots as well
vital vale
where have you noticed it not working?
vale bolt
I'm talking about slows. It seems to remove only slows that do no damage. If you have a poison that also slows, it doesn't remove it
vital vale
which poison are you referring to
vale bolt
I can't remember now but it was something I encountered while levelling. I swore it would remove it, but it didn't and I felt like I just wasted a talent on this ability for nothing lol
I'm very tempted to just remove the new warrior utility completely and just put a better button in that spot on my binds
vital vale
you will still need to bind berserker rage
even without fearless
if you are trying to make up keybind space
try removing impending victory and bind it to charge
i mean macro it to charge
then to heal you just use charge in melee range
its a very common macro
vale bolt
I currently have shiled charge and charge macro'd lol
vital vale
i wouldnt recommend that but ok
vale bolt
I know it's not efficient but I just don't have binds available lol
I swear every tank had rotational binds trimmed except warrior this expac lol
vale bolt
Nope
I don't like modifier's as I am not able to press them rotationally without causing discomfort in my hand
vital vale
thats why people put them on the mouse
vale bolt
vital vale
id consider investing in one
vale bolt
The "weird" ones are actually mouse binds. Like these ones [ } etc
I do for auto run (which I use religiously)
lunar flare
I freed up some keys by binding SS/IP to scroll up
vale bolt
Carpal tunnel and tendonitis from work so I try to limit awkward movements or holding W when I don't have to
lunar flare
And something else to scroll down which I forget
vital vale
The "weird" ones are actually mouse binds. Like these ones [ } etc
so you do have extra mouse buttons or not?
vital vale
Carpal tunnel and tendonitis from work so I try to limit awkward movements or ho...
yeah ofc i use auto run as middle mouse button and my tilde is heroic leap
vale bolt
All of these are moust buttons except SG which is my mount bind
vital vale
you can also spec into thane instead and you dont need to bind demolish
lunar flare
Carpal tunnel and tendonitis from work so I try to limit awkward movements or ho...
I know this will sound like a meme but have you considered a foot pedal
vital vale
All of these are moust buttons except SG which is my mount bind
so just bind one of the mouse buttons to ctrl, shift or alt? and you can then bind things to alt+1, alt+2 etc and alt is on your mouse
vale bolt
I know this will sound like a meme but have you considered a foot pedal
Not a meme, I have considered it yep, but I often stand using my desk which I fear will not be as good
lunar flare
Ahh fair, I have a standing desk too. Doing keys while standing like a true gamer
vale bolt
If I'm honest I was really hoping to see shield charge be blipped out with the midnight changes. That button has always felt like a nothing burger button. It just gets pressed on cd for damage and gives you another movement ability to targets that we didn't need with double charge and leap
rapid pelican
If I'm honest I was really hoping to see shield charge be blipped out with the m...
One of the best abilities, what you been smoking mate 😂
vale bolt
Would be nice to just remove the stun aspect of it (because that makes gathering with it annoying) and just turn charge for prot INTO shield charge that keeps the damage
vital vale
If I'm honest I was really hoping to see shield charge be blipped out with the m...
if you did higher tier content you would see how important it is. pulling mobs without shield block up immedietly can lead to you getting 1 shot
the stun can be used as interrupt and its aoe damage is good snap threat
shield charge is one of the best buttons in our rotation
vale bolt
if you did higher tier content you would see how important it is. pulling mobs w...
I did 27s with it in DF does that count?
All I'm saying is I like the ability, I just don't like that I have another keybind
lunar flare
hook up some voice activation and then you can yell like a warrior to use rallying cry
vital vale
yeah exactly, you base your class design priorities on your own weird keyboard alyout rather than just using modifiers on the mouse which will make your life so much easier
vale bolt
They had the perfect opportunity to roll shield charge into charge for prot and they didn't do it. But then specs like vdh got absolutely gutted into oblivion lmao
lunar flare
well tbh i think warrior was already quite straightforward no?
vale bolt
I didn't say it was hard. It's jsut annoyingly got a lot of buttons where other tanks had them pruned back a little (some too far)
lunar flare
yeah i just mean like, it wasnt "gutted" in the same way because the loop was fairly simple to begin with
i think brew has more buttons though
vale bolt
Nope, they have less
Not much less mind you, they didn't have much removed. But the rotation feels smoother now on brew. Not as much conflict in the rotation as before
Prot kinda feels exactly as it was before. VDH feels WAY worse. Like unplayablely worse lmao
lunar flare
hmm i'd disagree there, VDH was definitely trimmed but not to an "unplayable" state imo
but everyone perceives change differently i suppose
the sigil changes weren't super great
vale bolt
Literally all of your damage and survivability comes from your apex talent proccing your hero talent. It either feels amazing when you get back to back to back procs, or you get no procs and you can't generate threat and die
They literally have a hero talent that sims 55% behind the other. That spec is so beyond cooked
lunar flare
maybe you just didnt keybind something
compact silo
on rare occasions in dungeons i suddenly take tremendous damage and i cant seem to figure out why. i have sb up all the time and yet in recap it's mostly "melee attack"
naive ravine
They had the perfect opportunity to roll shield charge into charge for prot and ...
We had shield charge as normal charge and it was awful
vale bolt
We had shield charge as normal charge and it was awful
When?
lunar flare
on rare occasions in dungeons i suddenly take tremendous damage and i cant seem ...
do you know which packs in particular?
naive ravine
Shadowlands legendary
It gave SB on charge
So you needed to go out of melee to charge for SB uptime
vale bolt
How was that awful? That just seems like charge with SB tacked on
Oh yea that is beans. I don't mean that. I mean change charge to function exactly as current SC does minus the long ass stun so you don't have to wait to bring the mob in
Or maybe give it a mini stun so it can still be used as an interrupt
lunar flare
i will not accept this shield charge slander
naive ravine
At that point just give sb more uptime baseline
vale bolt
i will not accept this shield charge slander
My guy, I'm literally asking for a second shield charge 
compact silo
do you know which packs in particular?
idk like first big pull in nexus. i press defensives, healer has over 100k hps and yet i sometimes fold like a chair. other times I survive it just fine.
this time i died on WS with the poison rogues. I guess i could have had a lot of poison, but recap said melee
maybe i'm occasionally not facing the right way, though block arc is 180 degrees
naive ravine
Log your runs
vale bolt
idk like first big pull in nexus. i press defensives, healer has over 100k hps a...
Which first big pullin nexus? You mean the first room? Or going left?
lunar flare
Yeah theres a couple different "first pulls" in that place
compact silo
Which first big pullin nexus? You mean the first room? Or going left?
first room. and i dont pull all four heal absorb mobs
lunar flare
Do you stagger pulling the lothraxion images so you dont get double busted?
vale bolt
first room. and i dont pull all four heal absorb mobs
First off, pussy. Secondly, if it's a pug, understandable
lunar flare
Because taking two stacks of that at the same time ain't fun
compact silo
idk i pull left to right
lunar flare
Yeah can't do much with "idk" though
compact silo
think i died to the "smite" thing once
i gotta pull first image then wait 3 sec to drop the dot and pull next?
lunar flare
Just stagger it a bit so there's minimal overlap on the tank buster
Or have buttons ready for it if you dont and pray one dies quickly
vale bolt
I've done that pull on 2 different tanks this season. BRM on a 10 at 238 ilvl and VDH on a 10 at 240 (ish can't remember). Both times I found the pull to be fine if the dps actually kill things. If the dps are phoning it in doing 100k dps on that pull I am dying no matter what
compact silo
is that the searing rend or blistering smite?
lunar flare
Can't remember the name, its the thing that knocks you about and leaves scratch marks on the floor
compact silo
I've done that pull on 2 different tanks this season. BRM on a 10 at 238 ilvl an...
forget 10+s man i tanked those with 240 ilevel im talking about a +17 lol
lunar flare
I've done that pull on 2 different tanks this season. BRM on a 10 at 238 ilvl an...
Everything is fine on a 10 though
vale bolt
Not in a pug when you're 2nd on overall lmao
lunar flare
Yeah well pug DPS is a completely different breed of special, for sure
In that key range you are basically the 3rd DPS
Because one guy is asleep at the wheel
vale bolt
All I'm saying is it might not be a solely you problem if you're dying there. Especially if it's like 20 seconds into the pull. Some of that stuff should be dead by then if you have dps with monitors turned on
Also I'm pretty sure you can be unlucky and get the double tank buster and also the blistering cast. I have double stacked both before on that pull and it was crazy but that may be a luck thing idk
unkempt pebble
idk like first big pull in nexus. i press defensives, healer has over 100k hps a...
They sometimes jump your behind i think
Be careful
compact silo
ugh trying to time a 16 ws but pugs either wipe on first pull or on the first boss(bird)
unkempt pebble
ws poison mobs*
lunar flare
ugh trying to time a 16 ws but pugs either wipe on first pull or on the first bo...
Keep at it, I timed it on 16 a couple weeks back but it took me multiple tries
unkempt pebble
ugh trying to time a 16 ws but pugs either wipe on first pull or on the first bo...
Going left first?
compact silo
had one dps tell me to "tank the boss better" what IS THERE TO TANK on this boss
boss literally jumps and roots in middle of room
lunar flare
Bird can be tanked to the sides so melee dont have far to run the fire things
vale bolt
Ye I only go left first to duo boss in that dungeon in a pug. Lust timings are better because you can lust first pull and then bird
fringe venture
Going left first?
I go pack Boss first so we have BL for the annoying bird
unkempt pebble
I go pack Boss first so we have BL for the annoying bird
Same
lunar flare
Left is good for lust on bird ye
compact silo
Bird can be tanked to the sides so melee dont have far to run the fire things
that doesnt really help when they die
lunar flare
that doesnt really help when they die
Well no, then they're just bad and want someone to blame (you)
You cant do much about that
gg gl next slap em on ignore live your life
vale bolt
Welcome to tanking unfortunately (we don't even get jackets)
unkempt pebble
You can aim first frontal on good side so ranges can fill few more gcds before moving
On bird
lunar flare
DPS dont seem to have learned that the bird aims the first frontal on the tank and then goes anti clockwise with it
So they run ahead of it, anti clockwise, so they have to keep moving constantly
vale bolt
I literally don't think it matters tbh. That bird should be the most free boss in that dungeon but dps refuse to place the mechanics out and just don't open their eyes during intermission
lunar flare
I've had more wipes to that boss than any other in WRS
compact silo
im even taking intercept just to give them a measly 15k shield
unkempt pebble
Intermission hurts a lot
lunar flare
yeah intermission is a pretty gnarly hps check
unkempt pebble
I usually rally 2nd one
vale bolt
I normally wipe to trash because nobody kicks the poison blades lmao
lunar flare
I save my aoe silence for those because I have trust issues haha
And if one goes through its dwarf racial and prayge
vale bolt
Like 10 second long cast or whatever and still nobody kicks them. I just have to try pull smaller now in pugs because I know I'm the only one doing any utility in the pull
unkempt pebble
U can cc lock them if cast goes thru