protection

[opal ledge]

still gotta make more 4 16's before 17's

to be honest idk if i'm going above 16, maybe i should take a break after 3.4k

[opal ledge]

"tank shortage" meanwhile:
no one accepts prot warr 🙁

[ionic fern]

Been like that ever since m+ came out. Mid level keys are the hardest "meta" followers even though they do not have to be.

[jagged pier]

Was getting declined from 10s yesterday

[autumn heron]

Now THATS crazy

[lament osprey]

Sorry it’s there is a shortage of meta tanks. They never get it right.

[jagged pier]

Happens

Quite funny my shammy alt hadnt done a key under 12 until last week

And was getting declined for 10s too

Just how pugging goes

[opal ledge]

i was getting declined on 10's too

[autumn heron]

How dare you not play meta

[opal ledge]

i had no idea what was going on i tought it was a bug

like 283, 3350, should be insta invite
i was not only not getting invited, i was getting DECLINED

idk what happened on reset

[autumn heron]

Tbf, 90% of the 10s are a "boostgroup" and only invite a certain armortype to funnel them gear

[fringe venture]

Guys what was the web u were using to know where to best use of void tokens rolls? Simming on raidbots? Bc of It Is that, I have no idea how to use it for that 😅🤣
Bc I was thinking in giving a try to myth vora but pugging It dont see that Will be a thing that Will happens to me this week

[opal ledge]

I just figured out myself...
it's usually a matter of... do you need a myth shield?
if you don't there is a good chance seat is a good roll.

Since I don't raid myth i just igore raid rolls.
Chim would be the best roll for gaze

[fringe venture]

Already got gaze. Was thinking on Seat aswell but from the 11 items on the table IS like I only need 4, sword and gaunlets are my Focus ofc

[opal ledge]

seat have a nice weapon, neck, the gloves, a haste ring
chest and head u can catalyze, boos too. the wirst and waist are good with haste
depends on what you already got
there is just a shirt trinket and a not that good ring.... but all dungeons will have dead drops

is your gaze myth?

[fringe venture]

Yeah I got the myth gaze and HC plume from belo. From the rest of SEAT's loot, I already have on myth track the haste ring, not the crit one actually, myth waist, wrist, helm, chest. So the only things I actually would make profit from SEAT are the gaunlets, the sword, the boots and the neck wich is not bad, Im using the HC PIT atm. On vault I have waiting oclusion from nexus on myth track, wich I dont know if picking or just take extra roll.

TBH there is no DG where I can actually make a full profit of extra rolls, in any of them im >50% risking to pick anything I dont need lol

As I said, only place I can make a 100% profit is Vorasious but with that shitty save system, if i join a pug raid and it doesnt finish, Im wasted for the rest of the week

[opal ledge]

1.6m hp xD

[stoic hound]

ideally, drop optimizer on raidbots sim

but I have just decided to farm nxp for rings and then seat for weapon and gloves

[fringe venture]

As I dont have the premium using It Is either annoying or I dont know how to, bc It doesnt take the whole m+ pack so It doesnt sims the best, It just show the best from spareds dgs, so I cant get a clear Idea about what IS the overall best pick😅

[hexed moth]

seeing top prot warrior not doing 21 is making me carious, is survivability issues at that level?

[jagged pier]

No their groups just not there yet most likely

[unkempt pebble]

If i have evoker in group i tank till 5 stacks + 1 then cauterize

if they are not dead until i have 3 stacks after cauterize i kite until 3 sec on debuff and it resets

Ideally ask for externals at 4 stacks

and use wall for 5 stacks etc

[errant wagon]

Attempted 19 algathar for a few attempts today with a guildy and man...those battle axes that do arcane damage clapped me every time

I just can not figure out how to play those pulls it's near impossible to live without kiting like crazy

[stoic hound]

do you reflect on cooldown as well? I guess you do, just clarifying

[errant wagon]

Yup. The moment shield wall falls it's basically over without kiting. Demo shout and spell reflect just ain't enough to survive 4 axes swinging

The damage is absurd

Already playing very tanky talents, could get magic DR from 2nd row if I drop nails or something else... Just a very unfun mob/pull for our spec to play around

[stoic hound]

yep it's the hardest pull there for us, not fp

[errant wagon]

Did 8 attempts total didn't wipe first pull once. Helps I have ret pally in the group I can call for bop cleanse

But 3 times wiped the run cus those damn axes.

[stoic hound]

and they are tricky for some reasons (at least for me - probably due for me being a newbie) - the damage from them is a bit unpredictable, I once got one shooted not excpecting this. With a dot its easy, you see high stacks you know you gonna take a lot of damage, but battle axes...

[errant wagon]

Yea its melee swings so you can't really see timers. And if you CC them suddenly they are synced

It's essentially unpredictable without being able to see melee swings. Just gotta feel it out

Gonna get some more prog on it tomorrow lol...

Close to 19 resil, algathar axes and nexus point melee dudes who put heal absorb are the hardest pain points for me amongst the dungeon pools as a prot warrior

[vital stirrup]

Not sure if slowing the axes attack speed would help. With stuff like curse of weakness

[errant wagon]

Ooh that's an interesting thought

[frosty mango]

I would just kite them at that level tbh

It’s not worth trying to face tank that much magic damage

[daring marlin]

mmmmmm CnS tclap root my beloved

imagine it

[jagged pier]

I mean can ask sense

[jagged pier]

Think hes done it on a 20

[tribal wharf]

my healer decided it was a good idea for me to tank 5 stacks of this debuff

[daring marlin]

10s-14s feel like such a shitshow it's so funny

[tribal wharf]

quite simple really, at the polar ends of anything, positive to negative, the more silly things are

so, if you are racing f1 cars

there isnt room for silliness

and playing bumper cars,

high end you actually need to put real work into

[frosty mango]

Yogi wisdom

[sonic violet]

Hey team, was hoping you could give me some pointers on our prot warrior for tanking in raids. I know tank logs are eh, and saying alive is prio but how can he improve and also get his parses up 🙂

Cheers!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/llane/spcecialk

[frosty mango]

#1347646810457636974 post it there

Not that we won’t help you here, but it won’t get buried there

[warm plinth]

Tank logs are useful. Damage parses don't matter that much but the logs themselves are very useful for diagnosing issues. I'll take a look here in a minute

[sonic violet]

Thanks guys!

[harsh trellis]

Are you his co-tank ?

You guys run with 2 prot wars..... respect...

[sonic violet]

Ah no

Well in those fights maybe he did

But he will be coming in now, and our main tank is a brew master

🙂

[harsh trellis]

Why isn't he running anger management?

[harsh trellis]

Oh.. which prot war I should ask since theres 2 and what fight?

Oh nvm... you linked the name in the log

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[harsh trellis]

I got it

[warm plinth]

This is not off to a good start

[harsh trellis]

yeah so ....

[warm plinth]

Why doesn't he have Anger Management and Rend talented

[frosty mango]

He’s not really wasting rage but his cpm on average is low, so his generation is low

[harsh trellis]

I honestly would tell him to stop looking at the top parsing prot war logs and just stick with the Icy veins build.

cause right now... hes just dying

I like the log name "not locked in"

[warm plinth]

That's not the name XD

It just means WCL hasn't confirmed the log yet

[frosty mango]

He’s playing bloodsurge without rend

[harsh trellis]

sarah mclachlan

[warm plinth]

Dude is literally playing prot warrior without the talent that makes prot warrior prot warrior

[frosty mango]

Think you really just need to send him here - this is a rebuild

He needs to be put into warrior camp

[heavy sparrow]

got some reps in an 18 nexus

seers are still bad at all levels

[warm plinth]

@sonic violet I think your co-tank could do with a read through the icy-veins guide for starters. He's not even using the talent that is the core of our gameplay loop (Anger Management); he's also not using Rend, which is also significant. But we can't really do much in the way of review when the core of the spec isn't there.

His cast breakdown is fucked and low. He's not wasting much rage but that's only because he isn't generating any. His blocked hits are super low

[sonic violet]

Okay, thanks for all that. He tanks this week with us so ill repost logs with the actual raid and new team and come back to you guys

Appreciate it

[jagged pier]

[naive ravine]

Good luck

[drowsy comet]

brewmaster finally dead? (pls say yes)

[frosty mango]

Why

[harsh trellis]

Have him stop by here before raids

[frosty mango]

We don’t need brews to be nerfed we need blizz to pull their heads of of their asses and implement the proper buffs to other classes

[drowsy comet]

cuz brew sucks

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[drowsy comet]

how is the buff for prot tho, havent played in abit

[frosty mango]

It’s good, dps was never an issue though

[harsh trellis]

Is this bored at work or taking a poop at work chat?

[frosty mango]

I’m laying on the couch in my office at work

[ionic fern]

Bored at work.

[harsh trellis]

Not you

lol

lil gup questions

[drowsy comet]

yes

[harsh trellis]

I see some of the same questions and im like.... this is bored at work or pooping at work chat

If you poop, poop at work and get paid for it

not everyone poops

[naive ravine]

Bored currently, might change to poop soon

[harsh trellis]

lol

[frosty mango]

True, most people poop tho. Even the ones that don’t have buttholes still need to go

[harsh trellis]

true

[naive ravine]

If u dont poop you would die

[frosty mango]

Not true

[harsh trellis]

not true

it comes out of your mouth

[frosty mango]

Or if you had a colostomy?

[harsh trellis]

also true

[vital stirrup]

So you become a politician?

[naive ravine]

If u dont pee you would die (I think that was it?)

[frosty mango]

No that’s when it comes from all holes

[naive ravine]

Your bladder bursts

[vital stirrup]

Fair

[harsh trellis]

Silly chat aside... this is a great vid

https://youtu.be/zyMKWBziqWA

[frosty mango]

Well….yes but why would you do that

[naive ravine]

Good question

[jagged pier]

In before we get nerfed again

[frosty mango]

lol fair

[ivory barn]

That is a neat vid

[ivory barn]

I think bear is more likely...

[harsh trellis]

why run gathering clouds?

I mean hes timing the keys with it. Im just curious

im in a teams meeting so this is bored chat again

[woven radish]

Managed to find a few vods of pwar clearing that on 19 and they all do in fact kite the larger battleaxe pulls after they blow big cd's

Was mainly looking for routing differences for pwar compared to standard monk routes at that level, but seeing the gameplay was just as helpful imo

[plush tendon]

not even sure what you would do to Prot War to make it stronger like Brew

maybe more self healing? More DR vs Dots/magic?

[frosty mango]

Rework ignore pain, lean more into self healing

Give us a better rage dump

[cerulean tusk]

You know what

Spell... Block

[plush tendon]

Rework ignore pain into what

[woven radish]

At the very least, colossus bleed self healing build being really strong could help on the bad dot dungeons at least if it was buffed

[coral quartz]

Guys it’s my first season tanking and I set a few goals one of them being 3.4k which I just got woohoo

[frosty mango]

If it were my choice I would say instead of a partial absorb make it a stacking rolling hot instead of an absorb and have it cost less rage per cast

[little ermine]

a rage drain, lean more into the raging berserker that... ignores pain

[woven radish]

God there are so many times I've missed spell block this tier lol

[frosty mango]

It would need to be tuned properly but

[plush tendon]

for me, Id just give us back unnerfed Indom

[cerulean tusk]

I dont think it Healthy for the class design to give warrior more HPS

[plush tendon]

and move its position on the tree

[frosty mango]

Like I can see ignore pain being removed, and berserker rage being reworked into a toggle where it burns rage to heal you

[little ermine]

tryndamere style

[woven radish]

I could get behind that

[frosty mango]

No, but that’s how every other tank works

[plush tendon]

bake in the two shield block talents into the base kit, move shield spec up one and move indom up one

[frosty mango]

And it’s why warrior is ass for Rot

[cerulean tusk]

Thus we should double away from it

[frosty mango]

Yea how’s that workin for us

[cerulean tusk]

If classes are same ish the game is pointless

[frosty mango]

Blizz will never go that direction unless they rework the entire game and they aren’t

But ignore pain is useless and the fact we have no rolling sustain makes rot fuck us, it’s the single biggest issue warrior has

[ivory barn]

Give warrior self healing

[frosty mango]

Shifting it to a rolling heal would solve a lot of class issues while still keeping it tunable

[cerulean tusk]

I am sorry you feel that way. Doesnt mean you should give up on the better path, and push down for damnation

[plush tendon]

its prob the only issue tbf

[ivory barn]

I hit 3k last night timing my 14AA

[plush tendon]

we have lots of CDs for large hitting attacks (phys or magic), close to 100% block

[woven radish]

100%

[frosty mango]

I’m pragmatic, blizz will never rework tank mechanics at a fundamental level so there’s no point trying to come up with those types of solutions

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior could get some HPS increase mods for your healer, if anything HPS is needed

[plush tendon]

reflect for single spells and plenty of interrupts/cc

[frosty mango]

I agree self healing is dumb but that’s the direction they clearly have gone

[plush tendon]

that sounds like brew to me

id rather not see that

[lilac hazel]

How is it useless

[ivory barn]

But was then told "how on the fuck are you missing 100Tc and 30 SS casts and was confused

[plush tendon]

Warriors also have like the 3rd highest health pool

[cerulean tusk]

Brew spam cleanse Brew, no?

[frosty mango]

Are you rage baiting me

[plush tendon]

Celestial fortune was what I was referring to

[cerulean tusk]

IP isnt useless, this is true and not bait

[frosty mango]

Ignore pain, a defensive ability we press only to expend rage - it does not meet its intended design function

[cerulean tusk]

It got a function and performs it well

[frosty mango]

We use it solely as a means to feed the rage machine

[ivory barn]

IP is.... "Don't cap rage" button

[woven radish]

IP scaling us such shit this xpac, does next to nothing

[plush tendon]

IP still does stuff

[frosty mango]

It’s poorly designed and the way we use it proves that

If it were well designed, we’d use to….ignore pain

[cerulean tusk]

I disagree, I dont mind is having a defensive rage dump off gcd

[daring marlin]

Legion IP was funny

[cerulean tusk]

Stops the overcap issue, that would be a lot worse

[daring marlin]

good point, it should be on the GCD like WoG is

privileged Warriors smh

[ivory barn]

The first raid level of 🤣. Cleared Mythic EN in 1 day

[frosty mango]

Yea but having agency to dump rage defensively should mean that dump increases your survivability and IP does not do that in any meaningful way

[cerulean tusk]

I disagree, it dumpa well and efficiently

Remember rage dumping in itself is value

[frosty mango]

But it doesn’t increase your survivability in any meaningful way

[cerulean tusk]

It isnt supposed to

[plush tendon]

Id just do this

I think this would be enough

we currently throw away two points into 2 seconds of SB

[frosty mango]

It’s a defensive spell that isnt used defensively - youre saying the design intent of ignore pain is instead to solely dump rage? Because that makes no sense

[plush tendon]

and are kind of forced to take it

[frosty mango]

Its unintuitive

[cerulean tusk]

IP for d value, and reducing CD of stuff is d value

What you on about

[plush tendon]

and, quite honestly, if we didnt have to path into improved SB, we could prob spend those two points elsewhere if we used HR

[frosty mango]

Thats why you see tons of new warriors spamming ip

[plush tendon]

[drowsy comet]

think I should kinda come back to wow, feels like Ive done everything I wanted in D4 lol

[cerulean tusk]

And there are monks that dont use Brew

Noobs gonna noob

[frosty mango]

Yeah but

When you read the tooltips

[cerulean tusk]

You learn by playing the game, what is your poibt

[ivory barn]

I wish I could show the talent build I used in my AA last night

But fuck wowhead

[cerulean tusk]

Intervene tech to kite bleed?

[drowsy comet]

wowhead only good for news, but thats kinda it. No hate against the guide writers, but yea

[frosty mango]

Nowhere is it obvious in game that ip is an offensive rage dump. If you take the game at face value it seems like you should be hammering ip and you should not be

That is bad design

[daring marlin]

and wanting to track it

[drowsy comet]

Couldnt be me

[cerulean tusk]

I am sorry you perceived IP so, but the functionality when you know how the spec works makes total sense

[plush tendon]

yea, I legit dont see a problem with it

[cerulean tusk]

That not everything is on the box info is ok for an mmo

[ivory barn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JF4dNPwvbhC82Kf9 naw I still use leap

[cerulean tusk]

Welp, link borked on phone

[ivory barn]

I unfucked it

[cerulean tusk]

No intervene

[plush tendon]

Prot War to me feels totally fine; there are 100% some changes id make, but its for sure balanced in its current iteration. Any sort of tuning can quikcly make Prot War the meta tank

and, honestly, it wouldnt take much

[frosty mango]

I didn’t perceive it that way, it’s literally what the tooltip says.

It’s your position that blizz intends for players to play the spec incorrectly until they find a guide or go to discord? You’re saying that’s the intent?

[daring marlin]

man can we just bring back the "muh utility" memes

[ivory barn]

That button has always killed me

[cerulean tusk]

I am saying I dont mind if it is, Roid

[plush tendon]

[daring marlin]

you member

[cerulean tusk]

Roid, dont at me with a long text, ya wont win me over and I got work to do

❤️

Ty

[harsh trellis]

WHat happened to anime kitty avatar

[cerulean tusk]

Wdum?

I always had this one

[ivory barn]

It was either this or be yelled at for not using the 1/4 apex build

[frosty mango]

I left my phone half typed while I was on the phone for work

[harsh trellis]

Was dif yesterday

[cerulean tusk]

i shouldnt asked for no pings

[ivory barn]

I told them I wasn't using that and they all left my key

[cerulean tusk]

This is on me

[frosty mango]

Don’t at me bro

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-wow-alliance-anduin-cinematic-gif-10217972

[frosty mango]

Kitty is about to hold the first annual no pings rally

[lusty grotto]

WHAT

[lusty grotto]

did you say, "no pings"?

@cerulean tusk ?

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-rat-rat96-råttmos-hello-råttmos-gif-17069539795077163404

[ivory barn]

Nim did you see my comment about the 1/4 apex

[drowsy comet]

@cerulean tusk ping

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even know why my brain forces me to look

[lusty grotto]

i did not

[daring marlin]

@cerulean tusk

[fluid widget]

@cerulean tusk where should I be rolling for a weapon

[cerulean tusk]

@jagged pier ban em

[lusty grotto]

[daring marlin]

[ivory barn]

Guild ran this key with me but tried to force me to play the 1/4 build when I told them it was trash. So I compromised with this #protection message

They all literally left the group till I was in a different build

[lusty grotto]

your guild is no bueno

[ivory barn]

I was just using the normal IV M+ build 😭

Oh " this CN guy did it, pick this or we don't run with you"

[daring marlin]

lol???

[ivory barn]

Like

[lusty grotto]

easy

[daring marlin]

That is classic midwit shit

[lusty grotto]

why would you compromise, they aren't

[fringe mural]

okay i'm confused, the only defensive value of ip is cooldown reduction and better ss when x amount of rage is spent?

[ivory barn]

It fucked my mental that whole key tho

[lusty grotto]

outside of the partial absorb you mean?

[daring marlin]

lmfao

[fringe mural]

no the partial absorb would be the main defensive value to me though

it seemed like the partial absorb is worthless

[lusty grotto]

its not worthless

[ivory barn]

Bro, that's funny

[fringe mural]

from the conversation between roid and kitty

[lusty grotto]

idk i havent read the conversation

but its not worthless

its there to smooth out damage

[fringe mural]

yes

[lusty grotto]

the entire point is that its just not enough to sustain us

[daring marlin]

I fear it's your guild having you go 1/4 Apex

[lusty grotto]

and people give way too much importance to it

[ivory barn]

I'm still more mind fucked that they picked a random key log and said I was 100 tclaps missed

[lusty grotto]

so we often have to tip the scales to the other side

[fringe mural]

Because the cap value is too low or the dr before is too low?

[ivory barn]

I told them that shit is fucking stupid and I wasn't stitching

[lusty grotto]

no, because we have better and more important tools that act on top of it to mitigate

its not designed to be used by itself

the caps have not changed for years

[fringe mural]

it basically is a fine sieve that you can't throw unfiltered shit onto without a prefilter

[ivory barn]

I'm just gonna tank next season, and they can be mad

[fringe mural]

it will just overflow

[lusty grotto]

remember when i told you to find a new guild

about 3 months ago?

or more?

i remember

and i was right

[fringe mural]

haha

[lusty grotto]

and still am

cause am rat

[ivory barn]

Yeah, I get bitch slapped about everywhere I go

[fringe mural]

you know what happens when you leavd a guild?

[harsh trellis]

Go Join Zeroes to heroes on Stormrage

[fringe mural]

nothing

because those people stop caring about you the moment you are out of their sight

[undone beacon]

Cringe af what

[fringe mural]

i have experienced this again and again

Think you're part of a community, you stop playing the game

No one gives a shit

you're gone

[ivory barn]

I enjoy tanking, not being yelled at

[fringe mural]

then do it somewhere else

[harsh trellis]

Your guild yelled at you?

and it was just for the whole not wanting to run the 1/4

[fringe mural]

they're not your friends

[ivory barn]

Close enough to it

[undone beacon]

idk I still pop into some of my old guilds and people are like “holy shit bud it’s you long time no see tell us what’s UP”

You gotta build a strong rapport

[fringe mural]

yeah but only if you return

Not while you are away

[harsh trellis]

Yeah if you dont know these people or havent played with them long term they are just aquaintences by guild tag

[arctic hearth]

Yea some guilds are def more about the community and not just strictly raiding or dungeons

[fringe mural]

Of course they recognize you when you dm them or smth

[arctic hearth]

I like to find a balance

[undone beacon]

I mean that’s the nature of relationships. Goes both ways. Friends from high school haven’t reached out but neither have I

[fringe mural]

but they don't miss you

[ivory barn]

"it's wrong if you don't copy a top 5 build" and when someone finally went to look they told the person "well 5 people use this, and keep 4/4"

[fringe mural]

and people think they leave a gap behind when they go

[ivory barn]

So I switched to it

[harsh trellis]

They shouldnt be crowdsourcing your spec if they "need" you to tank a key for them.

it was a 14 also....

[fringe mural]

only very few people leave a gap behind in a game

[ivory barn]

I asked them to come DPS it so I could get 3k

[undone beacon]

Tbh unless you’re really fucking up bad there’s no reason for your guild to talent check you lmao

[harsh trellis]

Ahh

[plush tendon]

I mean.... by what right do they have to tell you how to play?

[lofty warren]

Still dont see any emergency patch notes to fix bear. Feel like its gonna be a while

[undone beacon]

If I wasn’t raiding I woulda come and dps’ed that key and you could play whatever build you want

[daring marlin]

These people are like 14 key andies anyway

[ivory barn]

They do 17's, I don't understand why they complain on a 14

[daring marlin]

Which one? The healer?

I'm looking at them now

[plush tendon]

I assume they are on alts; I found the guild, but I aint gonna be toxic like that

[toxic gyro]

I would rather pug ppl than be told what to play, especially sone garbage build.

[harsh trellis]

So check this out.... There are 2 key communities. Dungeon Dojo, and there is also Mythic Plus Friends. You can run M+ there and its not toxic AF . If you want to join a community based build that will not allow for shitbags or the toxic shit. Zeroes to Heroes on Stormrage US.

[ivory barn]

Healer is one

[lofty warren]

You can get goobers in any level. Yesterday in a seat 16 balance druid did 56k dps on overall via details. Ridiculous

[plush tendon]

I remember in DF we were doing a 27 Throne of Tides and we timed it.... then our mage friend told us he forgot to put on his tier set

[daring marlin]

And even then the healer has two 17s, the rest 15s and 14s

[plush tendon]

[daring marlin]

Other dudes are lower IO than you

[ivory barn]

So I was mind fucked

[undone beacon]

I stg I will never not be amused by people calling eachother “Andies” like it’s so fucking funny

[harsh trellis]

Dont

https://klipy.com/gifs/ted-lasso-18--k01KR1BPFM36ANEBXR10Z6ZQTCA

[toxic gyro]

How are they timing 17s with that overall dps 💀

[undone beacon]

I have a healer friend who consistently forgets to take off her org teleport cloak before keys

[daring marlin]

They're not

[ivory barn]

Only main was healer and rogue

[daring marlin]

Warlock was an alt and his mage looks like shit too

idgaf

The ret was cheeks

Is that his main?

[undone beacon]

Moral of the story is dont let people who don't play the spec give you advice on how to play the spec

[ivory barn]

No

[undone beacon]

And if they say they wont run keys if you dont use the build they want, fuck em and pug it

[daring marlin]

good, he sucks at ret

[plush tendon]

or bully you into playing what you know is wrong

sets a bad precedent

[daring marlin]

somehow

[plush tendon]

like, if people I played with bullied me before a key like that.... we wouldnt be playing together

fuck that noise

[undone beacon]

i get bullied before keys but its lovingly

[ivory barn]

This is the highest IO I've ever been. And it's a shit experience

[plush tendon]

I just think leaving group pre key because your tank isnt playing the build you want to play

is the cringiest thing ever

Id have 0 tolerance for that

[harsh trellis]

Its only going to get better for you to not play with that toxic group of people

You have to break up with them

[plush tendon]

omg, its like we are giving dating adivce

[harsh trellis]

Be like hey fuckos... its yall, its not me

GG! GG OUT

micdrop

[coral quartz]

Guys do we have a spreadsheet of everything spell reflectable I tend to use it a lot but curious to where maybe I’m missing using it.

[plush tendon]

check the pins; full guide on SR stuff for this season

[coral quartz]

Okay thanks

[daring marlin]

LOL BY WHO

guild?

[ivory barn]

I'm like, the builds on IV GAVE me a R4 (now R7) Heroic Alleria parse... 😭

[undone beacon]

You know it. Those bastards know me too well

[plush tendon]

yea, you gotta have some pre key flaming

and during key flaming

and post key flaming

[ivory barn]

Funny yet sad, every pug I play is bnet friending because "tank that runs keys"

[plush tendon]

or else, whats the point

[undone beacon]

Bit o' bants

[plush tendon]

gotta have the good natured bants

[daring marlin]

yeah we'll do that in vc next time

[ivory barn]

I'm gonna just soley M+ unless something drastic exists drama is to much for me brain

[daring marlin]

it'll be funny

[undone beacon]

Pushing keys can be a genuinely fun and challenging experience, but it depends a lot on who you run with, even moreso than raid. In raid you can kinda carry some shitters, in push M+ everyone has to pull their weight. If you're stuck in pug hell, or running with jerkasses in your guild, its gonna feel a lot worse

Running with people here or with guildies is consistently way more fun imo

[undone beacon]

[harsh trellis]

Do you know any of these people in this guild youre in and if so how long have you been in this guild?

[plush tendon]

I did check out the guild; to me, its a heroic guild with no AoTC with like 4 guys who do keys together

[ivory barn]

I've known them all since pre SL

We raided mythic but couldn't keep a roster

[plush tendon]

the plot thickens

[undone beacon]

Classic

[severe star]

Burning Crusade

[cerulean tusk]

Just play with friends, go at worst with a duo, then as many as you can get

Dont care about key level beyond pushing and bouncing keys together

Ez clap fun times

[ivory barn]

Yeah, I run 10's for vault then go help people in the 2-5 range because it's fun to blow up a key

[cerulean tusk]

2-5s prob chill fun to do, never done that, but sounds like something to just blast with no thought

I prefer 15 range, then things live a bit and there is some "challenge" to ig

Ppl get to do their rotation

[ivory barn]

Yeah, if I'm dpsing I just let the tank gather, and if I'm tanking well.... Shit explodes

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-ellie-cat-explosion-cat-explode-meme-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-ellie-gif-11491440842155618054

[severe star]

Restro shamans are the bane of any key I have hosted this season

[ivory barn]

I've played with a few, they seem hit or miss

[jagged pier]

Y am i being pinged

[severe star]

They have basically been all misses

[jagged pier]

[ivory barn]

Yeah I could understand pushing IO. This is one of the many reasons I haven't on a tank

[daring marlin]

Time to ban @cerulean tusk for pinging you

[severe star]

19 deaths to orbs in seat falling off on the bird boss in AA pulling every circuit seer to name a few

[daring marlin]

Funny enough the rshams I've had brick keys were always in WS and MC.

Dunno why.

[ivory barn]

does this button actually play in prot yet?

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-meme-dancing-cockroach-roach-joYf3Ba2phD15ch9Nt

[undone beacon]

@ivory barn the real question is what mount did u buy with the 3400 saddle

[ivory barn]

I just hit 3k

[undone beacon]

oh wait duh

lmao my b

[undone beacon]

wellll what are you gonna buy with the 3400 saddle when you get it :)

[ivory barn]

Unknown yet tbh

[severe star]

Pash what did you buy with it?

[ivory barn]

Maybe I'll grab the mount and throw it

[undone beacon]

The only ksm mount i didnt have was the BFA worm cuz i didnt really play that season, so I bought that

Ugly ass nae nae worm

[fluid widget]

I love resto shamans

Skyfury is the best

[undone beacon]

its nice if theres old ksm/ksl mounts you want, but otherwise meh. The "new" ones are just recolors

[ivory barn]

I didn't play most of DF/TWW any of those mounts good?

I played the first season of each

[undone beacon]

DF had different flavors of lizard each season, TWW S1 had an ugly diamond robot, S2 had goblin shreddertanks, S3 had void bugs

[ivory barn]

O.o goblin shredder

[ivory barn]

I'd prolly get that

[undone beacon]

It comes in red, black, green, yellow, purple, and blue so. Take your pick

[ivory barn]

Red/black most likely

Warcraft is fun with m+ I wish this season it was released sooner

Only reason I have an alnseer was a pug raid chimmy

[drowsy comet]

ugly mount

[slender bison]

It has a sick flying animation, but that's it

[jagged pier]

I saw the mounts and decided not to go for 3.4

Dont like any of them

[slender bison]

Idk why they didn't make flying mounts in DF when they introduced dragon flying

Ugly ass lizzards

[undone beacon]

or dragonriding skins or something

[jagged pier]

I got my fire birb now and purple birb mount and blue birb mount

Dont need more mounte

[undone beacon]

i wanted fire birb a lot more when i mained druid but now idc as much

the next time theres a collectors bounty ill snag it

[daring marlin]

pash lemme be a casual in your guild

the goofy guild I'm in is deadzo

[jagged pier]

Thats an option???

I can be in pashs guild??

[daring marlin]

move to NA and prolly

[undone beacon]

You probably could chud around in my guild if you wanted tbh

j chillin

the lock im leveling is still in my old guild and its sad 9 times outta 10 cuz nobody is on

but sometimes lilbbqfridge pops on and im happy again

[drowsy comet]

just say ur bad

[ivory barn]

🧐

[drowsy comet]

back to my pwarr, time to catch up with bonus rolls and still not get the right things

[ivory barn]

I get mythic light ring next week

[mild tapir]

I have a fresh alt prot warrior just to play around in m+, where should I send 7 bonus rolls?

[ivory barn]

Making me wanna gear my assa rogue

[mild tapir]

Do I just send all 7 in seat?

[ivory barn]

Someone yesterday asked if you could send multiple in a dungeon

[plush tendon]

honestly, wherever you want

the chance of a upgrade is close to 100% per bonus roll sent

[undone beacon]

Send em all in WRS and you're guaranteed to get yourself one of the best trinkets you can without raid

[plush tendon]

^

[vagrant echo]

What’s the spell reflect tech on mythic paladins?

[ivory barn]

That's my next season m+ mythic geared

[plush tendon]

you can reflect the tankbuster from the Prot Pal and deflect the Ret

even if you take a judgement

so you dont have to taunt swap in certain instances

[vagrant echo]

Do you reflect judgement or the cast after?

[plush tendon]

the cast after

[vagrant echo]

Can you cast reflect during the judgement cast?

[plush tendon]

yea

just be aware you can also reflect a exorcism cast from the Hpal

[vagrant echo]

Is it worth me playing my warrior for?

[ivory barn]

Is war fun? Play it

[undone beacon]

i wouldnt say its worth swapping characters for

[vagrant echo]

👍

[plush tendon]

it simplifies some tank swaps

but its not gamebreaking

[undone beacon]

its not essential for the fight yeah

[lofty warren]

I wish i had levelled bear so I could quick reroll and do the 2 button build

[plush tendon]

sounds like you have something to do this weekend! Level and gear a bear right before its nerfed

[ivory barn]

The healer has a druid alt that did that.... Hit 2k in like an hour

[daring marlin]

so he did like three dungeons? dang

[naive ravine]

It takes 2 days to gear an alt from lvl 80 to 260 ilvl

• there are already sims confirming that the 3 button bear build with no apex is worse then Dotc with apex

[ivory barn]

Idk they were laughing that the "5th alt would leap me in IO"

It's a game, not a race lol

Oh God, not Kevin Hart

[craggy harness]

Sorry 😛

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-gif-20374759

[plush tendon]

I will say, if you are about to start prog on Mythic Pals and have a geared Prot War for it, it can be worthwhile. But its not necessary

but if you already started prog without one, dont worry about it

[wooden spruce]

i wish the same but then i remember that i fall asleep playing bear and brew, not joking

well i havent touched bear this expansion though so i dunno if it became at least a bit more fun

[vagrant echo]

I mean my warrior is on the back burner but it’s still 275, we’ve had maybe ~6 pulls on Tuesday

[naive ravine]

The current dotc build on bear plays rly nice

[pastel summit]

It is very fast to level and gear.

Although thrash build moonbear is about as basic as you can get as a spec so it's not the most engaging.

[heavy sparrow]

Gon learn today

[undone beacon]

thrash moonfire moonfire thrash moonfire moonfire thrash

ironfur ironfur ironfur

[pastel summit]

Unless you enjoy being a ball of leech.

Ye.

[ivory barn]

Having a furryass to stare at

[undone beacon]

Close enough, welcome back Thorns of Iron ECBear

[pastel summit]

Moon bear form

Wish it had a third button or something though

moonfire/thrash legit feels like a level 10 spec that hasn't gotten half its kit

[naive ravine]

U forgot mangle

[lofty warren]

I liked bear in s2 shadowlanda and during incarn itwas a 2 button spec

[undone beacon]

meme build doesnt mangle

[pastel summit]

although ig there comes the point of the content itself being 99% of the difficulty

[naive ravine]

It does mangle

Its a dps increase to gain more rage to reset incar

[pastel summit]

Mangle more rage and dmg outside of uh moonfire procs innot

just doesnt give beam cdr

which is only 3s

still feels weak

[undone beacon]

In ST/low target mangle is worth it but in aoe you just slam thrash and mf mostly

[naive ravine]

No you dont

You mangle for the rage

[pastel summit]

getting beam back seems better than a crumb more dmg and rage

[naive ravine]

Even in the meme build

[pastel summit]

not even sure itd be more dmg in aoe

[undone beacon]

I'm not gonna argue with you about a meme bear build in the prot warrior discord

[ivory barn]

Why are we talking about a bear in a shield discord 🤣

[pastel summit]

crying and coping

nerf bear

buff clap by 300%

[lofty warren]

Yoda video said you dont press mangle or maul. Lunar beam, thrash, and moonfire are the buttons. Moonfire for lunar beam cdr

[naive ravine]

No need to argue, you press mangle, if u dont u are bad

Easy as that

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-19576862

[ivory barn]

Is there also an argument on 1/4 phalanx

[pastel summit]

idk i can see it if you're needing rage for ironfur in a pinch or single target cos its marginally more dmg over a moonfire without galactic

otherwise ehhhh

getting beam back 15s earlier or something

seems considerably better

offensively and defensively

just eyeballin it anyways

[pastel summit]

ya prot needs more talent points

just add 5% dmg/hp and remove the talents next to shield spec or something

[harsh trellis]

I confused you with Kenny there

[wooden spruce]

im gonna reroll because i got bored of my bdk and ppally, worth going back to my pwarr? (og main)

my m+ healer wants me to go bear but as i said i find it so boring :v, we doing 15s+ by the way

[pastel summit]

[harsh trellis]

If you dont like bear dont play bear

[pastel summit]

What's fun or interesting cos

[ivory barn]

If you find war more fun, play it. Fuck meta

[pastel summit]

if you cba with a spec just gonna not have fun or stay interested in playing

[undone beacon]

pwarr is chill and strong. Bear is experiencing a fotm surge because of the recent changes. Play what you enjoy

[harsh trellis]

prot war is chill now that I slowed down button pressing

[lofty warren]

Well according to the dev notes, id say their stayed goal has (in theory) been met?

[pastel summit]

Yeah well but overall dmg might be too high

idk we'll see in 2-4 weeks

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[harsh trellis]

Would be cool if druids could just tank in nelf form so you can have some transmog options

or maybe have the bear wear more armor or somethin

[undone beacon]

atomic recalibrator and other toys can give you that feeling

[wooden spruce]

apm, visuals and of course looks haha

dont care about meta, wouldnt be pushing 15s with a ppally because of that. I like my pally but outside of its burst it takes way too much dmg

and reason i rerrolled my warr was tww last season because of guild/irl friend drama that took a toll on me and i kinda didnt want to play my warr for a while because it reminded me of that

[naive ravine]

You should gives the dotc bear a try

[ivory barn]

My apm on prot is apparently subpar

[plush tendon]

if you dont care about Meta, play what you want. Prot War is very fun and balanced (though some FoTM rerollers have been saying that every tank but Brew is too weak since season start XD) Most people here would only suggest that you chase meta if you are going for .1% title

otherwise, its a game and you should enjoy what your playing

[ivory barn]

Is there a way to check apm in keys without being birated

[frosty mango]

Yes just post a log

No one is gonna berate you

Not here, anyway

[ivory barn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JF4dNPwvbhC82Kf9

[pastel summit]

If you got friends that's aight then

friends insisted they didnt care about meta and i said meta gona care about them and the realization hit when they stopped getting invites perma at like the 17-18 range

[wooden spruce]

i might gear my warr then

the only reason i was asking is because as im back to college i kinda have less time so im playing 2 classes on weekend and i'll have to ditch one in case i reroll main :v

but thanks

[pastel summit]

you missin a lot of globals or wasting rage

[fringe mural]

also if you stop getting invites and find it unfun

you can switch to fury and get invites again

[pastel summit]

yer

[fringe mural]

and basically keep your gear

[undone beacon]

is fury getting invites

[fringe mural]

since the priority is very similar

[fringe mural]

well fury/arms jumped to s tier after recent patch

so they should get them

[undone beacon]

[pastel summit]

good dmg

tanky

links up with brew/bear pulls

idk its an aight time

[naive ravine]

So next patch we jump to S tier also

[fringe mural]

that's archon

right now

[plush tendon]

it quite easy to maintain a alt; espeically with bonus rolls being a thing, if you can do 1 key a week and handful of tier 1 delves

you can easy get at least 1 bonus roll a week on a alt

[undone beacon]

1 key 1 lfr 2 delves/preys/rituals

ez

[plush tendon]

thats how I do it

I basically just play my War and DK seriously, but my Pal and DH have just been stacking up Myth Crests and bonus rolls

If i decide to play them more seriously, they have a little war chest to really speed up their gearing process

[undone beacon]

Yeah my priest is what im focusing but my hunter and warr are sitting on a bunch of shit

[plush tendon]

like, my DH has over 200 myth crests XD

I just got the Myth crest achievement for her

plus like 8 bonus rolls

[undone beacon]

I need to get the myth achieve for the cresties discount on alts

[ivory barn]

How to obtain that?

[plush tendon]

Give me a afternoon, and that VDH could be fully geared no questions asked

[undone beacon]

285 ilvl

[undone beacon]

esp with myth crest discount you could get an alt from fresh 90 to like 270 within an evening or two of grinding

[plush tendon]

100%

[pastel summit]

yeah if you a tank you can be 270-275 in a weekend

[daring marlin]

especially with voidcore oh man

[pastel summit]

6 catchup cores yum

esp if u can bully friends into funnel

[plush tendon]

my co-tank leveled and geared a bear druid in two days to 278 i level

prepping for Mythic Belo (he never played bear XD)

[undone beacon]

once this lock is 90 imma GIGA JUICE

[daring marlin]

I'll get mythic crest discount next week, prolly

[daring marlin]

what do you plan on sending cores on?

[undone beacon]

every core goes to WRS until i get both trinkies

[humble mason]

I just switched to colossus and im kinda feeling like it has better defense but worse offense than mountain king

[plush tendon]

It shouldnt

Both have very good defensive tools that should be about even

[undone beacon]

They are equally tanky but thane is ahead on damage

[mighty valley]

i rate you extremely bi

carry on

[pastel summit]

Hmm how do you feel better defensively

Because seems like they'd be comparable with thane being marginally easier

[undone beacon]

Col has bigger IP so if you're leaning on that, it may make you feel tankier. However thats not really how you should be playing pwar

[pastel summit]

yeah if its like lower keys bigger ip and more healing passively with bleeds idk

bigger hsockwave ig

[ivory barn]

"but ip needs tracked"

[pastel summit]

Used to be useful to track in pvp but don't even play it now

[plush tendon]

Col also gives 5% DR and Demolish has DR associated with it

[fringe mural]

what? is it lower than all 289?

[pastel summit]

5% bigger too

[fringe mural]

ah because of crafted myth gear

[pastel summit]

Nah they dropped it to crafted ilev

[plush tendon]

Consequently, MT has more rage, more DR on Demo shout, and some passive DR built in with Thunderblast

[pastel summit]

cos full myth upgraded was REALLY hard to get

idr which season of tww they decreased it but yeah its crafted ilev for myth

otherwise max upgrade tier

[fringe mural]

so once one char is at 285 they all will pay half price for myth upgrades?

[pastel summit]

like 276 for hero

[daring marlin]

you'll get it next week for sure

[pastel summit]

yer

[daring marlin]

max ilvl weapon

[pastel summit]

0.2 ilev off

[hasty forum]

If you don't mind my asking, how does one gear so quickly after hitting 90?

[undone beacon]

i havent sent crests on priest this week yet but, i def gotta see if that'll push me this week

[fringe mural]

delves

[plush tendon]

buy some craft gear, use warbound gear, hit up some delves, start doing keys

easier with friends who can do some carrying for the first key or so

[fringe mural]

you can get to full heroic in a few days of bountiful delves

[undone beacon]

Nebulous Voidcores allow you to roll for myth track gear from 10s. Get some friends to blast you through 10s. Do some delves/preys for easy champ and hero pieces. Craft some basic pieces

[severe star]

Would bringing shield or gaze to 298 be better first or just sim it im guessing shield

[plush tendon]

I think you can also buy champ gear from delves if you have progressed in the journal far enough

[fringe mural]

you can buy hero gear from delves

[undone beacon]

Voidcores have catchup so a fresh 90 this week can get 6, and essentially get 6 myth pieces asap

[fringe mural]

as well

[undone beacon]

At journey 9 yeah

[fringe mural]

with renown 9 yes

[undone beacon]

but you have to farm a special currency

Unlike champ which is undercoins

[hasty forum]

Fair enough. Thank you.

[fringe mural]

and champion for the regular currency

[plush tendon]

honestly, the Warbound gear goes hard

for quickly gearing a alt

[fringe mural]

yeah warbound champ is really nice

[naive ravine]

I do rly enjoy colossus on bosses with the extra button to press for dr

[ivory barn]

Honestly I think I'll just craft my rogue daggers and play it

[fringe mural]

you just hit 250 right the second you turn 90

[wooden spruce]

im looking wlogs, raiderio, murlok and icyveins for recommended talents and theres a few variations so i wanna ask what you recommend

i already on pins about phalanx 4/4 and heavy rep-ITF haste, but what im seeing is people ditching Focused Vigor and/or Enduring (and a few traded Last Stand too) alacrity for Tough as Nails and Indomitable

What are your recommendations so far? considering i want to push 16s

[naive ravine]

Nono dont last stand

[undone beacon]

Last Stand and Indom are kinda butts. Tough as Nails is very strong

[fringe mural]

and if you do 4 delves and nullaeus you already have 55 myth crests

[ivory barn]

I used this in a 14 AA

[undone beacon]

The typical swap is EA for BSV, and Bloodsurge/Bloodborne for indom if you really want it

[fringe mural]

without a single key

[undone beacon]

Focused Vigor is strong and people are silly for dropping it imo

[fringe mural]

if you then do the +2 key quest you get another 20

you only need 5 myth crests for your crafted weapon then

[undone beacon]

Dropping FV or Last Stand is... a choice

[daring marlin]

Calling stuff butts kills me every time

so silly

[naive ravine]

Hm you have to play around BSV to make it a good talent

So using it as a defensive instead of, woops thats it

[undone beacon]

Not really. Its a cheat death for most people. Some higher skilled pwarrs can proc it strategically for defensive benefit but for the majority of people its a really strong oh-shit proc

[naive ravine]

Where is jakey when we need him

[magic tiger]

Hey Guys! Today i Go Tank in voidspire Raid First time. What ist the better choice mountainthane or colossus ? Sorry for my english, i Hope younunderstand 😉

[cosmic cargo]

hey pash, can I hide here until pepega goes away?

and rip shred hopefully too

[plush tendon]

MT

[undone beacon]

He was being awfully quiet here, guess he's dreamgroving it up

[undone beacon]

who even is that he's very persistent

[fluid widget]

Which one is FV?

[naive ravine]

Pepega is also in this dc

[cosmic cargo]

talks a lot of shit

and is annoying

[undone beacon]

Flexing Arm icon. 3% flat strength

[cosmic cargo]

yeah but he's gonna be busy in the guardian channel for a few days a least

[undone beacon]

he tends to hop around. Bear is his fixation rn

[naive ravine]

Dont think he will rly commit to lvl his druid to 90

[cosmic cargo]

that's not the point though

[pastel summit]

the 10% on demo?

[fluid widget]

Wait people drop that

[cosmic cargo]

it's just nice to ragebait for now

[fluid widget]

wtf

[wooden spruce]

yeah i also think its dumb, 3% str is more dmg and block, im gonna drop EA for indom and see how it goes

[undone beacon]

Yep. People drop it for last stand

[wooden spruce]

I just realized i already tanked a 7 with this warr at 243 :v

[pastel summit]

Yuh really tripling down on zero dmg for durability

[naive ravine]

Idk if its kust 10% or if the dr from spending the colossud might stacks are already on the target while channeling

[cosmic cargo]

bro really tried to tell me that current bear is the most broken tank ever and I fell for the ragebait like an idiot

[naive ravine]

Cuz it feeld like more then 10% and I can also see the debuff icon on the enemy from the second i press it

[undone beacon]

did u get pepega'd or was that rip shred

[cosmic cargo]

pepega

[pastel summit]

dang get owned

[undone beacon]

I dont wanna go into bear discord rn its fucking rancid

[pastel summit]

mop brew eternal king

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496932144298197103/picmix.com_13681479.gif

[cosmic cargo]

rip shred I don't engage with, he's worse honestly

[pastel summit]

yeah im the tank yeah im doing 85% of the groups dmg

[fluid widget]

I think the only thing I dropped was blood surge for BSV

[naive ravine]

How is rip shred worse then pepega?

[drowsy comet]

wtf is this abomination

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535052209340153857/1293850759452033094/crackbert.gif

[severe star]

Do a 2 or something with 4 healers

[cosmic cargo]

don't even need to go that far back, tww s1 ppal had 2 key levels on basically every other spec

and +30-50% dps

[drowsy comet]

btw have u guys have heard of that classic+ teaser that got insta deleted on reddit and on xaryu´s discord lol

[fluid widget]

No

[wooden spruce]

nope

[fluid widget]

But I want classic plus

So inject that shit right into my veins

[pastel summit]

oh yeah i remember that patch cos

was enjoying prot warr

then prot pala buff

no more groups

then missed 3s push too

misery

[pastel summit]

nah

[cosmic cargo]

that seasons was just miserable for every other spec

[pastel summit]

are they xferrin chars yet

[drowsy comet]

aint gonna share any links or so, but some classic streamers also got invited to blizzard, people now speculate alot of things

[daring marlin]

I also hate having a 3% str modifier

[drowsy comet]

either Sod 2.0 or actually a classic +

[undone beacon]

i hope we get another tbc classic

[cosmic cargo]

oh shit I summoned him

[lofty warren]

I stand by my statement that bear now is among the most overtuned any tanks have been in m+ especially considering the low skill ceiling of the 3 button rotation

[cosmic cargo]

I'm so sorry everyone

[daring marlin]

man all this classic stuff is so weird to me

[pastel summit]

sent healer friend a ref and she put sparkles all over it

[drowsy comet]

imagine another tbc lmao

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/fullofwhimsy-fun-and-whimsy-fun-joy-joyful-gif-16235639251741081426

[daring marlin]

People who didn't play then, sure

[undone beacon]

i love it

[daring marlin]

But if you played it then AND you're going back

[cosmic cargo]

I feel like the feet are jumping out of my screen

[daring marlin]

some weirdo stuff to me

idgaf

[ivory barn]

I played vanilla, I don't wish to relive that

[pastel summit]

ya idk even going back to patches you enjoyed feels strange

like i loved certain eras but its just

[daring marlin]

💯

[pastel summit]

going back dont feel the same

even if the specs are

(and they arent)

game is different people are different

everybody sweating harder than anything u imagine in retail endgame

while also being washed

sucks

[hasty forum]

Is the wowhead talent build with focused vigor and enduring alacrity better than taking last stand and indomitable?

[ivory barn]

Hit up Icy Veins, wowhead is not right

[hasty forum]

Ok, thanks

[pastel summit]

It prob is for most people, yeah.

defensive stuff gets better when you start getting hit harder.

[humble mason]

I dunno how to really explain it aside from my health just not being very swingy at all on big pulls. With MK I would lose my IP immediately and half my health would get slashed off in the first few seconds, now my HP doesnt even move. Mostly im specifically referring to the big 5 pack corner pull in nexus point, right after the starting area when you are moving towards Kasreth

[pastel summit]

huh i feel like mt is more immediately tanky

with the blast for dr

[humble mason]

My gear has not changed at all either

[pastel summit]

whatever u comfier on tho

wonder if u pressin stuff different on thane

cos really hard to speculate

[humble mason]

I spam TC and IP non-stop on thane

[pastel summit]

friend wasnt enjoying prot warr and found out he just didnt have shield block on his bars

like oh

[undone beacon]

Would have to see a log in order to give you more info but it sounds like you're not playing correctly

[pastel summit]

okay see

this almost has me worried

about the shield block thing LMFAO

[humble mason]

Obviously im also hitting the associated buttons like shield block and other shit

I have that macrod into TC, shield slam and IP

[undone beacon]

There it is

Thats very bad

[pastel summit]

oh no

well its good to sort of

unearth the problems

[humble mason]

Is it? ive been playing like this since TBC

[undone beacon]

You dont really wanna macro things together as prot

This isnt TBC

Macroing your spenders into your generators ensures you're fucking your rage economy and having bad uptime on defensives

[fringe mural]

well tbf with heavy repercussions it doesn't really matter when you sb as long as you're constantly doing it

[undone beacon]

It does matter still

[fringe mural]

the duration is just so long

[undone beacon]

Dont macro shield block into anything

other than maybe fae pipes so it makes a nice flute sound every time you hit it

[fringe mural]

lol

[pastel summit]

well that doesnt make it okay

[harsh trellis]

I want a willy wonka flute sound now for that

[ivory barn]

Fucking spell queue blizzard need to stop resetting settings

[pastel summit]

you do more or less mash shield block when its up

[fluid widget]

Ok but here my out, it’s so relaxing

[pastel summit]

and ip when it isnt in danger of fallin off

broadly speaking anyways

[humble mason]

Of course im just thinking like... have I been doing it wrong the whole time

[undone beacon]

sounds like it

But thats okay! Never too late to learn

[pastel summit]

honestly having shield block bound into all ur stuff is bad but like

not the worst

some pvp warr complained about rage and he had ip bound into execute and ms

[fluid widget]

I like it on shield slam

[pastel summit]

but i feel like prot warr

and warr in genreal is so few buttons

even if you're doing arena

with like 10 extra binds

[undone beacon]

I mean, binding shield block to anything is objectively poor play

Same with IP

[pastel summit]

ye but 99% of people are bad and its good enough

[undone beacon]

The entire spec functions around proper rage management

[pastel summit]

still should be improved upon

[plush tendon]

maybe blizz shield prune SB from our toolkit

[pastel summit]

but its not as detrimental as

some other things

[plush tendon]

and have SS apply SB as a buff to us

[pastel summit]

like not using shield block at all lmaooo

[plush tendon]

[fringe mural]

okay but sb can't be pressed indefinitely

so what you're doing by binding it to everything is you just use it on cooldown

[undone beacon]

Sure, but we shouldnt give the shitters a pass. Whip em into shape. Make em BLOCK PROPER RAAAAAA

[fringe mural]

which is bad when you overcap the duration with hr

[errant wagon]

Appreciate this! Gonna have to go give it another go 😁

[fringe mural]

or when you use it but don't need it

or can't use revenge because you spend the rage for sb

[humble mason]

There have been moments when I have unwillingly used shield block because of the macro thing, I.E when I am not getting hit by anything, but ive never felt rage starved by it if im honest

And yes I do overcap the duration constantly with HR

Maaaybe I should unmacro some shit to see how it works

[undone beacon]

The rule of thumb is keep SB up, and only hit Ignore Pain when you're above 70 rage. You're fucking your damage sending all your rage asap on SB/IP

[stoic hound]

prot war has 30 buttons, I' not call it few buttons

[undone beacon]

SS > TB > TC > Revenge, IP above 70 rage

[fringe mural]

we weren't talking about spamming ip, that is obviously bad

[plush tendon]

the great debate between WoW players... what is a lot of buttons

[pastel summit]

shield block, slam, thunder clap, ignore pain makes up 90% of them

[fringe mural]

my class is more difficult to play than yours

[humble mason]

Generally speaking I tend to deal around 80k DPS, I figured that was kinda low but staying alive seemed more important to me

Is it low or? I havent looked at other Pwarrs much to be honest

[pastel summit]

league is like 5 buttons and 100x harder than wow idk why wow dorks think volume of binds means complexity or difficulty

[mighty valley]

most of the time it's gonna work out if you're auto-sending SB but every once in a while you'll have healthy buff duration and get unlucky on ss resets and not be able to hit Revenge one more time because you used a charge of sb for no value

[undone beacon]

The wonderful thing is that you can have big damage AND stay alive when you play the spec properly

Esp as Thane

[dusky canopy]

Pash why didn’t you pi nim

Smdh

[daring marlin]

true, real and based

[undone beacon]

Chiqi gets PI because she does all the mechanics and we love her

[mighty valley]

more binds does contribute to complexity, but complexity isn't the same thing as difficulty or depth of gameplay

[undone beacon]

That is if i remember to set her as my focus

[dusky canopy]

Just forget to change focus from Nim after dungeon

[daring marlin]

I'm gonna get in there and change your focus macro to me

[pastel summit]

aint no way u focus piing

[daring marlin]

I have claimed the PIs

[undone beacon]

Damn straight I am

[ivory barn]

Could that be me problem

[pastel summit]

shameful

[fringe mural]

nope you're not

[dusky canopy]

I keep trying to tell the officer chat to pi me on 2nd rebirth Beloran but I just get a thumbs down

[pastel summit]

genuinely shameful

[dusky canopy]

Maximum arms potential

[plush tendon]

I think TB is ahead of SS

[fringe mural]

that's the one thing you're 100% not

[pastel summit]

every pve player should pvp until they know how to use a focus bind

99% of dps cant focus kick in keys

SHAMEFUL

they hit their kick target instead of prio mob

SHAME

[undone beacon]

Its like, TB at 2 charges > SS > TB for ST and TB > SS for aoe but the change is minimal last i remember

[plush tendon]

Close enough

[undone beacon]

yeah but this way i set my focus at the start of the dungeon/raid and then i dont gotta use my brain

[stoic hound]

I didn't mean to argue about complexety or something like that. just comparing a tank to dd and even healers I tried, there are considerably larger amount of buttons to press during the run, most of that additional utility

[fringe mural]

or you mouseover kick

and then the wrong mob runs in front of the cursor lol

i use mousover wrecking throw silence, works pretty well

[solid sun]

When there’s an important mob to kick I just make that mob my primary target

[ivory barn]

I just use a mouse over

[solid sun]

Mouseovers just mean I have a chance of hovering over the wrong thing

[fringe mural]

eagle eye never fails

https://tenor.com/view/omg-glasses-big-eyes-magnified-gif-10857191

i also never fail a mouseover taunt

erm

i mean

jokes aside, it works quite well if you take care

i use mouseover for almost everything, imo it mainly depends how you set up the enemy nameplates

[ivory barn]

I need to restructure my nameplates again

[pastel summit]

/clearfocus /focus macro then an atfocus kick/cc is somethin everybody should have but nobody does in pve

[ivory barn]

This shit be TINY

[pastel summit]

prio mob full hp and the casters that can be ignored but need to be kicked are dead

or hearing about losing target in a swarm of nameplates

"sorry i use focus for pi"

[plush tendon]

using base blizz nameplates?

[ivory barn]

No platynator

[undone beacon]

See but thats the thing

[ivory barn]

I made both of these

[undone beacon]

I simply dont miss my kicks

[plush tendon]

ah

I use platynator

[ivory barn]

Like the tiny one more

[plush tendon]

and use the jundies pack

cant be bothered

making it myself

[ivory barn]

Everytime I grab something from someone I end up doing something to it

[dusky canopy]

@daring marlin found maximum potential but 4 weeks away

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rBm6VW3o54MHFD6aMyLivX

[ivory barn]

Brain can't decide the size of the plate tho 😭

[daring marlin]

290 calm down dude

[dusky canopy]

Lmao that’s just the voidforge items equipped

Still need like 18 upgrades worth of crests

[ivory barn]

Is a heroic void forged trinket worth?

Gonna do weap/shield first tho

[lucid lantern]

I'm getting into mythic raid tanking and I've been looking at the logs of high parsing prot warriors for each fight. An I'm noticing they are in the 500-600s with mastery. 120-140 in vers. Why is that? I am currently focused high in haste/crit. Should I raise my mastery higher?

[undone beacon]

Sim your character and focus on the quality of your own play

[dusky canopy]

To my knowledge you can just send them because the currency is infinitely farmable afaik

[fluid widget]

I wouldn’t say so

[undone beacon]

At high levels, people are doing funky strats to top parse, and they sim their charcters to optimize their dps. Sims probably said to take more mastery. Simple as

[ivory barn]

That starts next week right?

[fluid widget]

If it’s every month you get one

[dusky canopy]

Yes next week

[undone beacon]

They said they'd drop like cata charges but we havent seen the system tested yet

[dusky canopy]

I was told that they drop like catalyst charges also ye

The rarity is not clear yet

[toxic pewter]

oh interesting

assumed would be a weekly charge lol

[lucid lantern]

i'm honestly just more worried on my survivability. I didn't know if mastery was just a better stat pad for damage mitigation. Simming only focused on my damage output, not mitigation

[dusky canopy]

before I was capped on cata charges I was seeing 1-2 charges a week on average and that was with 6 boss kills and 8 dungeons