protection

[pastel summit]

it is a fine suggestion if the lock knows the spot

if lock doesnt then np do another route or invis it

[lusty grotto]

"just have a lock"

"just make sure lock knows"

[pastel summit]

ya?

[lusty grotto]

thats a lot of non prot warrior controlled advice

[pastel summit]

throw key up

50 demos 50 unh 50 devos

are u nimchip on arthas

[sharp gale]

1 ww monk, me.

[opal ledge]

what is worth crafting? bracer and belt?

[sharp gale]

Tbf those advices are good even in 15s

[abstract arch]

Cape

[undone beacon]

cloak and wrist ideally

[lusty grotto]

yes? are you doing my first r.io check of the season?

straight from the clown car today

[pastel summit]

[lusty grotto]

say it

[harsh trellis]

Had a dk tell me he doesn't like skips in aa because they never work. If his pet can pull mobs... his pet pulled everything we tried to skip

[lusty grotto]

TeRtiAriEs oN BiS ItEmS

[pastel summit]

Mhm.

[urban sonnet]

hi guys i have 1 question my stats its ok or i have to change something?

[lusty grotto]

of all the people i would have never thought a skyhold regular would have such an insecure ego that they immediately went to r.io because they cannot grasp the fact that they are giving bullshit advice

[pastel summit]

Don't place gates in keys below 20 is crazy comms

Every class cord has one, though

[harsh trellis]

I mean I didnt know about a lock gate skip in aa

[pastel summit]

There's a little spot classes with dashes can get up

but that is something that's bad unless everybody truly knows

because then somebody messes up a rescue

and you gotta pull it anyways

or invis

etc

[lusty grotto]

"hey guys im having problems with ravagers" BRO JUST WARLOCK SKIP

[pastel summit]

That'd be something Nim would be right about

I mean it's an option

ideally have group clump near ravvys

and let you bait them out

[harsh trellis]

I pull all 3 ravagers lol

[pastel summit]

they always face you

after blinking to furthest target

so don't throw it in an awkward angle for the less mobile specs

think it doesn't even do the frontal if you line

[pastel summit]

ye i wanna find a way to get it down to 1

[harsh trellis]

Yeah
I skip 1 and then skip the 3 dragon pack before the 2 going into last boss

[pastel summit]

ye that's what i was usually doing

or 3 dragons into 2 dragons

cos doing the dragon trash with 3 pulls feels too staggered

unless you got infinite time left

[harsh trellis]

Realistically. What time does vex need to be dead

Like how many mins should be on the clock for a reg timed 16

I guess i'm just looking for time points for kills of bosses

[lusty grotto]

22ish

[harsh trellis]

I mean, I could also just reference warcraft logs too.So

[lusty grotto]

20 to 22ish

[harsh trellis]

With wenty minutes left.That's some f****** pumpers, right there, holy s***

[lusty grotto]

timer is 31

do the math

[harsh trellis]

Yeah, I mean, that's killing the first boss and second boss in ten minutes.That's yeah okay

[lusty grotto]

bro

at the 22nd minute of the key

you need to have killed Vex

how is this hard

you need 11 to 9 mins to do Doragosa trash

and Doragosa herself

31 - 22

[glad granite]

Guys do you we have a addon that can tell us spell to reflect in m+ ?

[lusty grotto]

if you skip and you 2pull it, obviouisly vex can die later

[carmine frigate]

Did we just get a buff? Is it already live?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lusty grotto]

pins

but yes its live

[carmine frigate]

ty

Who needs pins when we have u

[pastel summit]

Wasn't live initially but is now.

We rise.

[daring marlin]

@undone beacon of course the 18 I got was fuckass MT

Maybe we go again so you can get a better overall 😉

[undone beacon]

I didn’t like that guys route

It was weird idk

[pastel summit]

what'd he do

I can't find a way to do second boss trash that i like

er first boss

[undone beacon]

He pulled the long way around the library and then only did half the first boss room

[daring marlin]

yeah that was strange

[harsh trellis]

why

[daring marlin]

that trash is super free

[harsh trellis]

that route doesnt change much does it?

[undone beacon]

He pulled extra into the big pull after 2nd boss and I think that’s partially what did me in

[daring marlin]

plus who cares about wyrm amp into boss

[harsh trellis]

Was there at least a lock in the party

I hate running mt w/o one

[undone beacon]

No lock

[harsh trellis]

ew

[undone beacon]

Feral, ret, shadow

The feral was crankin tho

[harsh trellis]

kick the feral

[undone beacon]

Nah he came part n parcel with the tank and was actually turbo

[daring marlin]

That fucker only caught me cuz of the giga pack you died on

wtf was that aoe

[undone beacon]

Real

[abstract arch]

All my ferals been good this season

[undone beacon]

If I had lived that pack would’ve evaporated I swear

[harsh trellis]

I havent had a ton of luck with them

they just die so fast to things at random

[undone beacon]

I don’t think I’ve done a single key with a boomie, but I’ve had some chill ferals

[daring marlin]

Only DPS I overlook without fail is UDK.

I'm good bro go away

[undone beacon]

I don’t trust mages

[sharp gale]

I think I did keys with every single specs except double fury key

[abstract arch]

Although in convinced we had a feral disguised as a resto on my last 15WS cause we wiped instantly and he just said "why is everyone taking damage"

[daring marlin]

them too actually

[sharp gale]

I don’t think ive seen an arcane mage

[lusty grotto]

i have

arcane is good

[sharp gale]

I saw a fire mage

[lusty grotto]

fire is good, at being bottom of the meter

[sharp gale]

Yeah it was the worst I’ve seen this season

[abstract arch]

Mm hunter, assassination rogue, fire mage, any lock other than demon

[pastel summit]

fire does aight damage during bust if the pack is big and lives long enough

[abstract arch]

Haven't seen

[pastel summit]

and nothing between busts

[lusty grotto]

we had one i didnt check spec of because we were in a hurry last night, was doing tank damage

[pastel summit]

somewhat exhausting to play with

[abstract arch]

All Dev dhs are bad

All of them

[sharp gale]

MM Hunter ive seen plenty before .5

[pastel summit]

there's a lot of variance in devo dh dmg

also they get owned if they do die

[daring marlin]

Pash and I dumpster'd one in an 18 PoS

[pastel summit]

spec too finiciky i like 1 iq specs that cant die and do infinute damagurs

[daring marlin]

That guy SUCKED

[pastel summit]

(unholy, demo)

[daring marlin]

unholy good but people that play them are bad

so no thanks

[abstract arch]

As an uhdk main in tww, correct

[pastel summit]

idk i get dumbass rets but dk is rarely bad bad

had one bop me rounding up the platform in skyreach

[daring marlin]

wouldn't know I don't invite rets

[pastel summit]

ya ret is the passively boosted spec every seas

in pve and pvp

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[lusty grotto]

no, he does not

[urban sonnet]

someone can give me talent build for m+ super tanky? no interess damage

[plush tendon]

huge day for the kid

we got a 282 shield from vault

and 1 rolled the voidclaw gloves

[lusty grotto]

you need damage for threat

just take the icy veins build and swap Enduring Alacrity with Battle-Scarred Veteran

[urban sonnet]

stats its ok?

[lusty grotto]

your stats amounts dont really mean anything, we dont chage specific numbers

follow the prio or the sims, thats it

[pulsar radish]

nimchip my fearless friend

i am confused again

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3T4dEY8pX1nMMDEMJwLXVq

[opal ledge]

is it possible to save crests from craft if i already have a 289 item of that slot?

[pulsar radish]

how do crit vers boots cause this increase compared to crit haste set boots LMFAO

IM LOST!

[pastel summit]

0.1%

Also billion haste no vers

[daring marlin]

Without even looking it's more than likely your stat spread

[pulsar radish]

makes valid sense

i am hasted up

[lusty grotto]

dont sim items that dont have haste

just equip them and sim the other stat

[opal ledge]

the more haste you have the less effective it is... but the high haste let you play ITF

[lusty grotto]

you need all the haste possible

if youre gonna sim a track upgrade from hero to myth, sim it as a catalyst item

since boots are high haste, low crit from the catalyst

[pulsar radish]

so i did both, and its saying my hero 5/6 boots are better than the set boosts

[lusty grotto]

if youre gonna use them for dps, just leave them as is

[pulsar radish]

so i either did something wrong or im dumber than i though

[lusty grotto]

nah

they are the same ilvl

just pump em to 6/6 myth

and youll see its the clear winner

[pulsar radish]

true

thank you

[lusty grotto]

no probs

[warm storm]

Would ya'll take, Gloom-Spattered Dreadscale 3/6 Hero, (would replace Jelly Replicator), or take a myth track belt to replace a hero track belt?

[lusty grotto]

sim

the trinket change will be a massive difference only because jelly is dogshit and its also mostly defensive

if you plan on hitting bonus rolls on a dungeon that drops a belt, you should consider dreadscale

if not, and if you don't myth raid, you take belt

either way you should sim

[pastel summit]

Them be some rancid trinkets.

You got any rolls in on mythic chim

Or a dungeon with a trinket

[warm storm]

Im simming right now, all I do is heroic raid, so I don't myth. I just didn't know which would end up being better, as I do more M+ than heroic raid 🤷‍♂️

[opal ledge]

i would consider grabbing a coin to get a bonus roll or a socket

[warm storm]

This week I'll get my heroic chim trinket regardless. I don't have any rolls on mythic

[lusty grotto]

then consider what i said here #protection message

[warm storm]

I appreciate you guys. Im going to sim as well and figure out from there which is better. But Im leaning belt, I s'pose

[lusty grotto]

right on

[opal ledge]

i will lose 28 haste crafting my bracer, that's sad

[pastel summit]

Throwing your body at mythic chim pugs might be aight if you're reasonable ilev

if you don't have a mythic chest as well

a scuffy hero trinket kind of ehh

prob voidcore angle, honestly

[opal ledge]

soon we will have full myth stuff, so sockets will also be valuable

[warm storm]

The trinket gives me a better DPS increase overall

[opal ledge]

you will probably want to replace that trinket soon, dont sound like a good idea

trinkets will go up to 298, you don't want to use that ilvl upgrade on a hero track item

i would go belt.... IF you a planning on rolling in a dungeon later on that does not drop belt

[warm storm]

The only other thing I'd roll on is either chim, or the spire trinket

[opal ledge]

spire drops belt

[lusty grotto]

yeah as i said, its simming vs a defensive option so the gain is higher

[opal ledge]

a good one

[lusty grotto]

but there are better trinkets anyway

[warm storm]

Yeah there is

[warm storm]

That's BiS ain't it?

Or I can get myth track legs 🤷‍♂️ haha

[pastel summit]

Spire has a lot of decent stuff.

I don't think there's really a bad piece, actually.

[oak ivy]

huzzah, 3400 achieved

[pastel summit]

Woot.

Which mount you gettin

[warm storm]

Well I also have that stupid Puzzle Box I can use 😂

[harsh trellis]

Whelp guardian got buffed big time

[opal ledge]

i had two bad rolls on seat im sad

i need the voidclaw gloves and the band of triumvirate

to get back to 1200 haste, i grabbed a shield with no haste and that pulled me down

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto can you guys stop spreading hantavirus bro

rats.....

[lusty grotto]

they keep touching where we poo

dont yall know those places are toilets?

[daring marlin]

lmfaoooooooo

[pastel summit]

yeah bear season its over

🐻

[harsh trellis]

I think its about to go off the rails

[daring marlin]

Bears are cool.

[lofty warren]

Brew = bear > pwar = vdh = bdk > ppal

Is thw above accurate for goodness in m+ now?

[ivory barn]

ummm play what you enjoy > anything meta related?

[fringe crater]

any suggestion on what dungeons to use rolls if you don't raid mythic ?

[lusty grotto]

whichever dungeon droptimizer lists the most upgrades in

[pastel summit]

declines ur app

https://tenor.com/view/nae-nae-gif-18057748

[daring marlin]

inb4 some bozo says hyuck aa

[ivory barn]

dont get declined if you make your own group

[strong forum]

oh, technically wrong discord

[daring marlin]

lol

[undone beacon]

The fuck is that thing

[lusty grotto]

technically the right discord, i would say

[undone beacon]

What game is that

I want 5

[lusty grotto]

take a wild guess pash

[daring marlin]

D4?

lol

[lusty grotto]

[ivory barn]

I've been playing More D4 than wow anyway LOL

[daring marlin]

I'll pick it up eventually

[lusty grotto]

who asked

[undone beacon]

Wait is that actually from D4 how do you get one I will buy the expansions right fucking now

That thing is goblino prime

[daring marlin]

I haven't played it since Spiritborn was gigafuck op tbh

[lusty grotto]

nome insta bought the hungering cold

[daring marlin]

It's raining out

I don't wanna leave the gym bros

[undone beacon]

I wish it was raining I wanna do a rain jog

[dry trellis]

Hi guys, anyone tried col spec with haste/mastery instead of haste/crit in high keys?

[lusty grotto]

makes 0 difference

[crimson drum]

I could use expert opinion, would it be better to take puzzle box and replace heart/alnseer or would i be better off upgrading heroic tier pants to mythic?

[ivory barn]

nothing like running a +11 only to find out at the end you forgot your rerolls X.X

[crimson drum]

i know puzzle box sims slightly higher but i also know in practice it's finicky so unsure what might be the better option

[daring marlin]

If you don't DPS and don't like using puzzlebox take pants

[lofty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i52HuoYFZEkMSXQ49nfPi8 take crit mastery ring or myth shoulders?

[opal ledge]

grab a voidcore and roll on seat, you need the neck and the voidclaw gloves... and the haste ring.
you are playing itf with low haste

you are missing like 300 haste i guess

[strong forum]

its a schnazz from berserker, but in diablo

[strong forum]

actually i bought sulfuras and corrupted ashbringer first!

[lusty grotto]

im surprised you didnt buy the tier set(s) first

[strong forum]

that i also have

but bored of it now

back to zerker

[lusty grotto]

they do look sick

[undone beacon]

Nome is leap barbarian viable in D4

[strong forum]

ya

[undone beacon]

I must know

YES

buying it asap

[proud dock]

in WS, how many GCD inbetween pulling both chocobo packs?

[strong forum]

new xpac made TONS of stuff viable

[proud dock]

so their aoe shout does not sync

[strong forum]

more than ever before

game is easily the best right now any diablo has objectively ever been

[undone beacon]

I loved my stupid leapbarian in D3

[frosty mango]

Wat

[daring marlin]

based

[daring marlin]

orly

I better jump in then

prolly do barb+paladin

[potent meteor]

new rotation war furry/slayer ?

Apparently the buffs to the slayer weren't enough.

[lusty grotto]

this is protection

also read #updates-midnight

[lofty warren]

what do you mean? I have over the magic number for haste

[harsh trellis]

For droptimizer, how do I get it to show armor pieces like the gloves in seat

it only shows me a main hand and a trinket

[fallow lance]

is worth pressing execute now?

[lusty grotto]

it was worth before in ST

so yes

even more so now

[fallow lance]

really? i read somewhere i was better to press shield slam than execute

[lusty grotto]

wherever you read that, it was completely false

[toxic pewter]

whats everyone going on about some skip in algethar academy now

[daring marlin]

Maybe skip casters at the end?

https://youtube.com/shorts/LgujipGmEdo?si=k--VeE3GiBpsZoCz

[toxic pewter]

interesting

ty

[harsh trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X-0Pokd2pT4

[oak ivy]

:( im on my healer alt in an MT

[lofty warren]

why did blizz make this trinket..

[lusty grotto]

the important part is dad won

too bad mom didnt ninja it

[toxic pewter]

thanks dad 🫡

[harsh trellis]

what do I need to do to get those gloves to show here

manually add them?

[daring marlin]

why are you selecting voidforged myth you absolute goof

that's why they're not showing

they can't be voidforged

[toxic pewter]

do +10 vault then can even upgrade them to max 289 if u want

[oak ivy]

only weapon & trinket can be voidforged

[harsh trellis]

Awesome thank you!

[toxic pewter]

cant wait to voidforge my

[daring marlin]

yes, based

[toxic pewter]

🤲

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

3 pixel image

[toxic pewter]

lol yeah i did a snip of a snip

rofl

[lofty warren]

i dont like bonus rolls bc every week I have to do 8x sims for each dung

[daring marlin]

lol

[toxic pewter]

just get raidbots premium

then u can do the 1 button for all dungeons

[opal ledge]

i tought u had 1038

[harsh trellis]

Yeah I was just lookin at that

[hearty sigil]

so much comp for a spot in Seat

finally got an invite!

[tribal wharf]

I hate everything!

Animay

[lofty warren]

idk this is what i see

[harsh trellis]

lol wut

[opal ledge]

are u with flask food oil?

[tribal wharf]

An entire panel and Monty devoted to anime with millennial humor

[gentle quest]

Should I be staying below the haste cap without food/flask/raid buff? Or aim for base gear to give me 1320 haste before buffs?

[safe sparrow]

Massacre and Heavy Handed worth picking up?

[harsh trellis]

You like all anime or just modern shtuff?

[tribal wharf]

I am animal not liker unless it's original series of yugioh and Pokémon and even that's not red goggles

[opal ledge]

to be honest i'm not sure... i never checked the math before 1188

[warm plinth]

It's not a cap. It's a minimum amount needed to run ItF without gaps with proper play.

[gentle quest]

That's 1188

[tribal wharf]

And Pokémon is now I'm 100% out but original cartoon is just the best

[warm plinth]

My point is that there's no haste cap

[gentle quest]

there's a soft cap with diminishing returns

[warm plinth]

Past 1188 you get enough that you're comfortable while running ItF, then you get other stats

[opal ledge]

but it is 1188 with what buffs?

[warm plinth]

We don't care about the first DR gate

no buffs

The first DR gate is only 10%

[opal ledge]

so you can go lower with a flask?

[tribal wharf]

1188 is where to start but you probably won't 1300 whatever number to make it work

[warm plinth]

No, you should have 1188 before any buffs to run ItF

[gentle quest]

Okay that's great info. The haste goal is 1188 so you can run ITF, then pick up other stats

[warm plinth]

Other stats become better for damage even before 1188, so you want to get to where you're comfortable maintaining SB with ItF, then start going for other stats based on sims

[gentle quest]

I'm full myth gear and just deciding bis pieces lol

[opal ledge]

BUT WHAT BUFFS...
if you take haste flask into account, that's important.
what buffs are being taken into account for you to go base 1188?

[warm plinth]

Just make sure the sim isn't having you go below 1188 because it won't care about that number

[gentle quest]

Thank you so much dude this cleared up a ton.

[tribal wharf]

Want,* and it's because until you reach very high ilvls and mythic raid to get healthy amount of haste and not yes i have 11188 haste but I drop 12 ilvl and I have 100 of the 3 other secondaries

[warm plinth]

It's assumed you're running recommended buffs, so haste flask, oil, etc

[gentle quest]

Now i want to hear the explanation for the name Only Silly Geese run 1/4 Phalanx. You really think the damage is worth dropping some survivability? For high keys?

[warm plinth]

You're not dropping survivability

[tribal wharf]

1188 is supposed to be from only gear isn't it

Gear and talents

[opal ledge]

that's an awful way to give the haste number....
people would benefit having the knowledge of what haste do you need after all buffs and stuff.
i mean, i can't afford rank 2 flasks, does it mean i need more haste?

[warm plinth]

You can run all defensive talents while still running 4/4, and you lose less than the damage and survival given by the other 3 points

[warm plinth]

I mean, you can do the math yourself; we're assuming people are following the guide

[tribal wharf]

Where's that image nome used all time of the bell curve wow players

Someone got that

[opal ledge]

what guide, icy veins?

[warm plinth]

Yes sir

[tribal wharf]

We don't use wowhead guide

[warm plinth]

There's also a pin that goes into more detail on haste and ItF if you want to read it.

[opal ledge]

so which one

[lofty warren]

yes but even without those I am still above 1188 at least I was when i switch

[opal ledge]

oh right you don't got a myth shield, maybe that's it

[lofty warren]

time to deplete this 16 nexus bb

[opal ledge]

but here it says less https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/fatmaneat

[tribal wharf]

We had big malders in 8 deplete

[warm plinth]

If you are confident you can monitor everything and not waste any SB uptime, then you can run the crit flask at 1188 (before buffs). But like I said earlier, most people want more than the bare minimum because they want to feel more comfortable and not have to micromanage it. Some people don't even swap to ItF at all, even though it's more damage.

[tribal wharf]

"I bet he doesn't even know what % is"

A real comment

[warm plinth]

And keep in mind, this is ONLY for keys

In raid you always run ItF because you don't really have the problem of constantly tanking something 100% of the time in most cases.

[opal ledge]

i just want to know the math.
1188 is a math made with what buffs/consumbables

[warm plinth]

And the dangerous parts of the fights are telegraphed

[warm plinth]

It's made with the haste flask. The number you're technically shooting for is 31% haste (specifically from rating)

1188 is 27%

[opal ledge]

so even with 38% my shield block is with 12sec recharge...
i tought we needed 10 sec shield block, so we got 4.5 SB and 1 Shield chagre, every 45 sec... thats 44 sec uptime in a 45sec window
heart of wind, berzerker rage and devouring embleshiment can help a bit too, that last 1 sec

if you are a gnome you can get a free 1% haste too

[warm plinth]

That's why it's a minimum; the goal isn't to get you to 100% uptime. It's to get you to a point where you can have 100% effective uptime accounting for time between pulls

Going past that minimum gives you more leeway

[opal ledge]

my point is that i wish i could see the math behind 1188, that's all

[warm plinth]

You'd need like 60% haste to get a 10 sec shield block cooldown, which is only realistic during lust, especially in the first season of an expansion when stats are at their lowest

You could ask Nimchip or Mwahi; they can probably give you a better answer. I know the idea behind it, but I don't know the exact scenario they used to figure that number (though to be fair, that number predates both of them being in any sort of theorycrafting capacity/mindset; we've used it basically since ItF existed, though it used to be a bit higher when ItF was 10% at max stacks)

er, a bit lower I mean, sorry

[young kindle]

Tier or Algeth'ar Box ??? 🙁

[harsh trellis]

What did you sim

[opal ledge]

i guess i will try to run itf with 1143 whit week... i dont want to swap to heroic voidclaw gloves, or 285 shield instead the myth one....
losing the haste on crafted shield hurts

[harsh trellis]

Im gonna bet tier will probably be better but sim it up anyway

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't ever drop ilevel on a shield anyway so that's the right call. But you could also just run HR. You'll do less damage but won't have to worry about it.

[opal ledge]

i think it's up if you enjoy playing box

[young kindle]

If it's done right, Box is better but it sucks in M+ .. 🙁 I guess Tier lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would agree. It's not for everyone, and it's not like there aren't alternatives. Though it's worth asking...do you not have 4 piece yet?

[young kindle]

I do ... both would be from hero to mythic

[opal ledge]

i think the heart of wind can make up for the missing haste

[warm plinth]

Ah okay

[harsh trellis]

And you already have 4 piece?

[warm plinth]

Eh I mean, it is a pretty small amount so...probably? It's what like 50% uptime?

[harsh trellis]

I mean sim it up and it really depends on if you want to play with the trinket

I personally do not

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would genuinely just pick based on whether you want to deal with puzzle box in M+ honestly if it's a straight hero to myth comparison on both pieces

[young kindle]

went with Tier ... Box uptime on my hero is pretty shit lol

[harsh trellis]

there you go

[warm plinth]

ezpz

[young kindle]

thanks friends .. just needed a nod 🙂

[harsh trellis]

and you get rolls. you can always try to roll for the other gear

[opal ledge]

40% uptime on 247 haste.
should make up for missing 50 haste.

i also swapd rendori enchanment on the weapon for berzerker rage for some extra haste

[warm plinth]

Yeah I wouldn't be mad at you for that

[opal ledge]

so now both brew and guardian druid are broken, do you guys think they will buff other tanks?

or nerf them?

[harsh trellis]

Im sure things will get adjusted

the rage in the community needs to shift some . I think its aimed at the arcantina lore atm

[gentle quest]

Is having two embellishments really preferable to haveing higher ilvl myth gear?

[icy ruin]

what dungeon is recommended to blow rerolls on for a fresh 90?

[warm plinth]

Assuming they are on cloak and wrist, yes

[vernal lotus]

Can a 285 crafted weapon go to 298 next week?

[daring marlin]

294

or 295

[daring marlin]

Skyreach and AA are both good optiopns

MH/shield from both

[icy ruin]

ty!

[toxic pewter]

actually did the aa 18 first pull successfully as a non dwarf (dumb mistake later bricked it tho oof)

did have the aug tho.. feels borderline impossible without aug

[harsh trellis]

I like having an aug

[toxic pewter]

ngl a good aug is insane

in algethar its very good

well anywhere really i guess

[warm plinth]

You're insane

gottem

[toxic pewter]

[daring marlin]

fried him

[warm plinth]

GO GYM EVERYONE

😡

[daring marlin]

ALREADY DID

[warm plinth]

You don't have to go gym. You already won gym.

[harsh trellis]

Home gym ftw

[undone beacon]

ghash u got guil killed

[warm plinth]

Oh

[undone beacon]

in a 10 spire

[daring marlin]

I'm a silly goose

[undone beacon]

point and laugh

look at that cute lock

[daring marlin]

lmao

[ivory barn]

🤔

prolly useful since guild cant decide if I tank or dps lol

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah kiting is kinda nice and it's our entire dungeon , rest is sailing

[undone beacon]

all the dps n the world and this guy picks a fury warrior to complement the prot warr i guess

[lusty grotto]

wym

[daring marlin]

the shaman

grabbed a fury lol

[lusty grotto]

OH

[lusty grotto]

lmao

that was one critter pally

[stable kernel]

I hope he pulled bigger after

[lusty grotto]

nah i did the same pull -1 pack

[stable kernel]

[lusty grotto]

and then the same pull -1 pack

fun times

[undone beacon]

zero self heals

[daring marlin]

this dude earned that spot

funny fucker

[lusty grotto]

i even health potted when he ate the floor

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

go agane or tomorrow

[daring marlin]

imagine bodypulling the big mob

crazy

[undone beacon]

i think thats an omen

to be done lol

[daring marlin]

prolly tomorrow lmao

we do real keys tomorrow PERHAPS??

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[daring marlin]

tank my 18 MT

[lusty grotto]

maybe? before raid

[daring marlin]

maybe it'll line up

we shall see

[lusty grotto]

i cant stop fucking laughing

[fluid widget]

if they think prot warrior squishy wait till they see the none brm tanks

[lusty grotto]

i was like "hold up why do i have 18 stacks"

and then i saw a dead hpal

and no fucking idea how we managed to pull the circuit seer on the 2nd pull lmao

it was just escalating

and then the body pull

well well well

[undone beacon]

The ring set comes for us all

[ivory barn]

I did it fellas got me a myth weap 🙂

[ionic fern]

[ivory barn]

If I got into next season only tanking I'm gonna put a embellishment on weap tho

[heavy sparrow]

Sweet add-on

[ivory barn]

Narcissus on curseforge

[hollow hill]

Feels like 1188 haste is really hard to hit. I've got haste on almost every piece and still only at 1032

[undone beacon]

It can be a stretch this season. There’s a few pieces with giga haste (alleria neck, lura ring) that can do a lot of lifting

[hollow hill]

Yea was kinda thinking that might be the only way to realistically hit it lol

[heavy sparrow]

Thanks my guy I'll check it out

[lusty grotto]

you cant get tier from bonus rolls on chimmy right?

so realistically a 50/50 chance in prot loot spec

[shut marsh]

are u guys swapping stances in raids or m+?

[ivory barn]

Does the void core juicer just pick weap? Fuck fury I'm prot now

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone beacon]

Pretty sure you can?

[lusty grotto]

ah well

[shut marsh]

wouldnt there be some dps to gain tho

[opal ledge]

u just need to focus on the seat neck and ring with haste, and the nexus ring with haste.
and also seat will algo give the gloves with haste.... it's 4 items
after that a lot of your catalyst pieces will give haste, and you can also craft some...
if u use crafted weapon and shield it's even easier.
if you don't get a myth haste weapon you craft the belt instead of the bracer to get some easier haste but i dont reccomend it

[lusty grotto]

in raids you can go battle stance while not tanking sure

[undone beacon]

I mean it’s still 1/3

[lusty grotto]

but 0 reason to swap in keys

[shut marsh]

like in nexus 2nd boss during dmg phase

or mc last boss

[lusty grotto]

sure ig

it wont do much either way

small timeframe in the dungeon

[undone beacon]

It’s extra cognitive load for a marginal dps boost in an ideal situation

[lusty grotto]

minimal gain

[shut marsh]

might have to give this a try

[undone beacon]

Go for it, just don’t forget to swap back

[toxic pewter]

Most definitely can.. got chest tier last week even after already having myth chest piece

[undone beacon]

Okay yeah

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

Still 1/3 on prot

[toxic pewter]

Something weird happened today when I got my gaze though my first ever bonus ever roll I did gave me boots and it was removed from loot table cuz today it showed only gaze was able to be received when I moused over the bonus roll today

Even though I only ever got boots once (before they refunded first cores)

[lusty grotto]

are you saying that they got retroactively removed?

[heavy sparrow]

I don't recommend it. If someone is comfortable with it would say some instances otherwise.

[toxic pewter]

I still have the boots but like the loot table for the roll today showed just gaze

[lusty grotto]

i can probably test it out in pit

but maybe tomorrow

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-meme-what-the-hell-gif-19340563

You guys get mouse overs of what's left over

[lusty grotto]

yea put the mouse on the bonus roll dialog

[toxic pewter]

Yeah shows the entire loot table what’s eligible for u to get

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/mafioso-mafioso-forsaken-forsaken-mafioso-picmix-good-night-gif-11422232888168879100

[opal ledge]

i will test some colossus, might be good even with the thane buff

[fallow fern]

how good is solarflare? i still have crafted shield..

[limpid burrow]

Sim it

[opal ledge]

hmm its a tought call... all those are super great options... what are you doing with your rolls?
got myth weapon?
myth shield > crafted.
but solar flare is really good.
unless you got raid myth trinkets

[dry spear]

dont have a myth weapon yet. how good is that trinket? i got ancient hunger and alnseer myth. (only playing prot as 2nd spec)

[fallow fern]

i have myth wep

i have heroic heart of wind / ancient hunger

got 2 rolls left

i already got the 2 nexus rings

sent one on pit and got globule :/

[heavy sparrow]

Globule is a great trinket - I'd be stoked to have rolled on it

[winged zenith]

You got bis trinkets just go bonus roll

BTW is prot still dead?

[heavy sparrow]

Prot dead

Ran out of rage for IP

[winged zenith]

We all roll to arms and call it this season

Just need 2H

[fringe mural]

Why would we roll to arms; fury multitarget is ahead now since this patch

[winged zenith]

Because we have no fury gears

Arms is using what we have now

We just gotta farm pit for 2h

[fringe mural]

all the fury lover tanks took some haste mastery pieces anyways since crit/mastery/versa sim very close after haste

[past magnet]

is Versatility so bad for prot this sesion ? I see Im running little behind on crit compare to many others but I got 18% crit 27% haste 22% mast ab 12% vers

[fringe mural]

no it's not bad

haste is the best, the others are close and depend on your personal sim results

[past magnet]

simming for dps ?

[fringe mural]

yeah

[past magnet]

I kinda like to live tho ;P

[fringe mural]

they all give survivability

haste giving the most

Of course you can prioritize certain ones for certain encounters you have issues with

like crit/mastery for heavy physical or versa for heavy magical or crit for applied debuffs like fire talons in skyreach

but mastery is not worthless against even casting stuff because there will almost always something be hitting you in the face while you're taking spell dmg, it's rarely the spell dmg alone that kills you, so mastery or crit can as well protect you against dying from spell dmg because your hp when taking the magical hit is higher in the first place

[slender bison]

Apparently the bonus roll loot table resets every week. I've been farming Pit for 2H and got last week's ring again

[fringe mural]

It shouldn't though

[opal ledge]

did you got the ring on the vault?

[fringe mural]

i rolled 6 times seat in 2 weeks and got 6 different items

[slender bison]

Yeah so you need to save rolls and come in a week with 4-6 cores to roll

[fringe mural]

and in week 2 it showed me 3 less

[opal ledge]

its not reseting

[slender bison]

No, roll from Pit

[opal ledge]

but it reseted on the first week

[fringe mural]

the very first week reset because people were getting their bonus rolls back

or the other way around

[opal ledge]

my friend just went pit, he rolled past weeks, wep was the only drop left, he moused over only showed the weapon available, he got the weapon

[winged zenith]

We live by leech and rage generation

So we always max dps

[fringe mural]

Our rage generation doesn't increase with dps anymore does it?

it's haste

[slender bison]

wait, how do you see what is available from bonus roll?

It shows what you already rolled?

[opal ledge]

before rolling you can mouse over

[fringe mural]

When you hover over the roll

[opal ledge]

it shows the itens that are left

[slender bison]

Aaarrrgh. Thanks

Always zug-zug clicked it

[fringe mural]

zug zug life

[mellow elk]

Shoulders from HC -> MM or uprg ring + ilvl + avoidance

I have the other one to activate the combo

[opal ledge]

i like the ring better... a lot of haste

i've one but i'm not planning on use the combo, doesnt seem to be worth it, less than 1% overall... i want more haste

[mellow elk]

Im a little bit lost with the stats, i just rerolled from fury, and im trying my best

I have like 500 crit, 1100 haste, 500 mast and 250 vers

[opal ledge]

if you get 1188 you can run the Into the frey talents, and keep the shield block uptime nice
so you want a lot of haste
haste is the best stat... followed by mastery and crit, but haste is top priority

ur stats are looking great tbh

[mellow elk]

I hit that haste with the flask

[winged zenith]

Why would you roll to prot when all prot rolling to fury or arms? Like WTF

[mellow elk]

The guild needed a tank, so here i am

[winged zenith]

Your guild not doing 18+ keys?

[mellow elk]

Nop

[winged zenith]

Then its good

Prot is 18 max maybe some 19

[stoic hound]

Is that ok that heroic trinket outsim max myth ilvl Heart or Wind

[winged zenith]

Bonus roll and use it on myth voralius?

Why do you want hero trinket also why force pick low tier myth trinket

[stoic hound]

I do not raid

[winged zenith]

Maybe hearth then

Since both bis trinket is from raid

[fringe mural]

Who does that?

why would you reroll, because monk is meta?

[winged zenith]

Why would I not reroll since cant push title as prot?

[fringe mural]

erm okay

[opal ledge]

tomomo is crazy

[winged zenith]

Its only 16

Prolly revenge spammed

[opal ledge]

still... everyone else is doing the same 16's xD

[winged zenith]

Yeah but they try to take as little damage as possible

Not zug zuging all the way

[fringe mural]

Clear time is what matters, and he's 1 minute away from the next

That's how fast he was

i mean isn't clear time and key level the metric for what's best?

[opal ledge]

i'm afraid this zug zug build ill prevent us from gettiing buffs

cuz they will see that kinda of dmg and say "prot dmg is fine!"

[fringe mural]

prot dmg is fine, we need more haste!

[winged zenith]

Yes its unhealthy for the party and community

[opal ledge]

we need a 20% dmg buff

[heavy sparrow]

Collosus responds well to high crit

[opal ledge]

just tried the build on a pit 14, parse 97
i dont played that good even died once

idk i dont like this build, too squish

yoo i got lucky on this pit... got a helm with socket.

i will convert my 289 gloves to tierset gloves (it's non haste gloves with crit mastery)
and use this to get the 1188 haste.
my helm is the tierset one with just 46 haste, this one will has 84+16 of gem --- it's the extra haste i need

at least until i get a voidclaw gloves

[heavy sparrow]

Keep it up buddy you're making warriors looking good for the rest of us

[opal ledge]

i'm so close to 800k hp x.x
i think if i craft my 2 piece i can get it

Is there any trick to get an invisible shield transmog?

[vital vale]

not even a trick its just an official feature now

when sheathed ofc

if you want invisible shield in combat, nop, use a small one i guess?

[opal ledge]

i wanted it combat, maybe make a transmog with the katana from the trading post
but i feel katana don't goes well with shields

[autumn heron]

If masamune + diamondshield works in ff surely u can make it work in wow

[fringe mural]

I mean just mog a micro offhand

[wicked plank]

Which one do you suggest ?

[opal ledge]

do you guys think we're getting amani trolls this year?

as a playable race i mean... would look cool on prot warr

[alpine forum]

given that we do go 5/9 and maybe 6/9 on reclears i take ring right?

[copper moss]

Is there an aggro problems now?

[jagged pier]

no

[fringe mural]

No idea i like shields, maybe a candle 😄

u no take candle

[fringe mural]

depends on your gear, these are all pit drops and pit drops a chest as well

so taking any one of them might skew your pit bonus rolls either way should you plan to roll there

[alpine forum]

we got chest and shoulders on raid farm mostly and i got a 100% chance at gaze this week so thats my roll. i think i just take ring tbh. cant think of other negatives atm

[fringe mural]

Sounds good

[abstract arch]

0 for 3 on bonus rolls

rip

[opal ledge]

i got 0 stuff from my 2 bonus roll too

[urban sonnet]

already have weapon mythic what i take?

token for m+ roll?

[daring marlin]

dang, better tell the prot warriors doing 20s to not do that then

SHIT

[opal ledge]

i will test no apex colossus, makes more sense than thane no apex

if a build is doing 40% revenge dmg, dropping the apex points dont hurt much as on thane

[winged zenith]

Dang better tell those warriors to be in EU title range I only see 1 atm

[naive ravine]

You know that looking at high keys for balance should be taken with care, since the best player are playing the best tanks, making other tanks not look that good

[naive ravine]

I wouldnt do that, if u read the apex talents u notice it gives a huge increase in crit % on SS making in fact demolish better

[winged zenith]

If warrior was even half as good as brew on high keys we would see people playing it and reaching title at least 20+

[daring marlin]

Looking at data isn't your strong suit is it

classic sainaa adding nothing of value

[naive ravine]

That is in fact a dumb statement

[daring marlin]

many such cases

[naive ravine]

Why would ANYONE that cares about title play a suboptimal tank

[daring marlin]

search his comments

[naive ravine]

I dont want to tbh

Already lost enough braincells

[daring marlin]

It's a sea of them

LMFAO

[nocturne latch]

How's prot warrior doing after the (minor??) buffs?

[winged zenith]

I just checked raider.io again and I dont see 2nd prot on EU

All below title range

[naive ravine]

0/10 ragebait

[naive ravine]

Depending on what your goals are

Good

[daring marlin]

you made a stupid comment, got called out on it and continue to double down

classic room temp iq move

[winged zenith]

I am just stating fact lol

[naive ravine]

You are, infact just trash talking to make yourself feel less bad about your prot

[daring marlin]

prot max 18 is a fact now

you heard it here first folks

[winged zenith]

What I meant is useless to try play prot beyond 18+

[naive ravine]

I like how its a common thing for ppl to make their own opinions into facts

[daring marlin]

and the goalpost shift

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[naive ravine]

You can have your opinion, but dont say those arw facts

[ionic fern]

Why?

[daring marlin]

because prot warrior isn't half as good as brew, allegedly

[winged zenith]

Current title cut is 3850

As I said I only see 1 prot on EU

[sweet egret]

did you sim? (hard for others to know what gear you have?)

[daring marlin]

what's so funny is like we're not even halfway through the season, right? who's to even say brew will stay #1 for the entirety of the season

[nocturne latch]

Probably 3.4k io would be the goal. Im not feeling brew in the slightest, pally was fun but felt to squishy, and bear is inevitably gonna be nerfed again next week. lmao

[daring marlin]

idk why I'm even wasting my time talking at this yapper

[naive ravine]

3.4k is easy doable on prot

So blast away and have fun

[nocturne latch]

Thanks; seep.

[winged zenith]

Even if season end it wont be warrior. Look at the state prot is in now. Its either monk or druid no in between

[patent zealot]

Does prot do big dam now

[abstract arch]

No

We do just fine though

[patent zealot]

Thunder blast is huge isnt it

[abstract arch]

Idk I play col

[winged zenith]

Yes 3.4k is one week max

[patent zealot]

Rip

[abstract arch]

I got to like 3.1 on my brew before I got bored and went back to prot

[winged zenith]

Enjoy rest of the season doing whatever you want

I am solo pug pusher every season I don’t go fotm player. I use what is available and reach the best I can

[ionic fern]

What does EU have to do with it?

[winged zenith]

Its the range of prot in title range

[ionic fern]

What?

[abstract arch]

China plays a different game so they don't count

[winged zenith]

Even for CN its still 1 prot 3890

[ionic fern]

Prots are doing 20s...Brew is doing 21-22.

That's a difference of 2 levels.

[ionic fern]

Who cares.

[opal ledge]

not bad... 90k overall is alot of dmg for a 1/4 build, and its quite tanky

[winged zenith]

Whoever pushing title

[ionic fern]

People gravitate towards whatever gives them a slight edge at that level. Doesn't, mean the rest are crap.

[winged zenith]

Basicall 0.1% player base

[ionic fern]

Okay

And?

[jagged pier]

ppl who push title dont care, as they play whats most likely to get them title anyway

[ionic fern]

Like what's your goal here

[jagged pier]

so they would beplay brew right now

[ionic fern]

?

[winged zenith]

Goal is to get title?

[ionic fern]

Then go get title?

[abstract arch]

With execute talents?

[opal ledge]

you dont SS a lot, sounds weird but thats how it plays, and a lot of your SS are used after demolish, with 100% crit chance

[winged zenith]

I would if prot was compatible

[daring marlin]

LOL

[opal ledge]

no... just secret revenge tech xD

[ionic fern]

You not reaching title in prot is on you.

[naive ravine]

Pls stop man, you are going in the wrong direction

[daring marlin]

Holy crap that was hysterical

[jagged pier]

i did more damage than that in pit last week

[opal ledge]

lemme cook!

[jagged pier]

with a normal build

[opal ledge]

i like trying crazy secret builds

[jagged pier]

so i dont know what this mega shitty build is

[naive ravine]

Just dont man

[abstract arch]

Rage gen isn't an issue?

[naive ravine]

Pls

[jagged pier]

its not working

[daring marlin]

"If Prot was compatible I'd get title guys srsly"

[winged zenith]

Its blizz doing shit job and pug being meta slave

[daring marlin]

The jokes write themselves guys

[jagged pier]

if he was going for title he would play whats most likely to get him title

[ionic fern]

No,it's you. You are just reflecting it onto others.

[jagged pier]

instead of complaining

[daring marlin]

💯

[ionic fern]

[naive ravine]

The big guys came down here just to prove you wrong

[wicked plank]

Prot is just very fun to play, thats all that matters to me.

[jagged pier]

^^

[opal ledge]

97 parse man its not that bad
not saying its the best build

[naive ravine]

That is infact based af

Parses mean shit in dungeons

[opal ledge]

how do you measure the dps then?

[daring marlin]

The robot

Sims>>>>>>feelycraft

[opal ledge]

you can't sim this build in raidbots without a custom apl

[winged zenith]

Yes I am rolling to arms or fury and call it this season

[opal ledge]

raidbots will not spam revenge

[daring marlin]

you don't ss a lot but spam revenge

[opal ledge]

show me logs, i like to cook 🙂

[jagged pier]

i dunno dude i did 12k more dps than u with normal col build and 13 ilvl les on wep

[daring marlin]

i feel like I'm losing braincells guys

[jagged pier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qvq6GaNh73zRCFAY?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=6

[daring marlin]

I'm going to bed

[wicked plank]

More charge less bed

Zugzug.

[sweet egret]

this is not right, it doesn't reset

[jagged pier]

also like how u asked for logs petri but havnt provided any yourself

oh another 99 parse but for a 13 this time

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rWK9bXVzJPc3GDax?fight=1&type=damage-done

looks like pressing SS is a dps increase

how suprising

[opal ledge]

oh yeah this build is better for the dps
i jsut don't like giving up on so many defensive talents

this one is closer to the tomomo build

[jagged pier]

what defensives your doign 14s

and 13s

they dont hurt

TANKIER BUILD

[opal ledge]

but... it still not much revenge damage.

[jagged pier]

YET YOUR TAKING 10K MORE DAMAGE PER SECOND

[opal ledge]

tomomo did like 141k

[jagged pier]

that damage has nothing to do with build

[opal ledge]

but that's the point... it's not the build taking more dmg, it's my gameplay, and with that build i can take more dmg and surive. cuz i have more heals

[jagged pier]

they are just mass pulling on mass pulling

[opal ledge]

dont seem to be mass pulling to me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3dXtFAn4NgxQTZLD?fight=3&view=replay&position=0

he just spams more revenge

[jagged pier]

great extra hps u are getting 4k more hps

hps doesnt even work like damage reduction

so u are just taking more damage than me for no reason

with your tankier build

just play correctly

and do damage

this is tomomo build from that log btw

so its not even close to yours at all

[opal ledge]

its what i said, it's closer to yours

its the dps focused one... but you should try spamming more revenge

[jagged pier]

dont trust pug healers

[opal ledge]

you can't just analyze the log saying "hey you took more dmg the build sucks"
i took 35% unblocked hits, thats back shots ---- it's bad gameplay on my part not the build

[jagged pier]

pretty he plays with a group

[jagged pier]

u dont want to give them up because you are presuming they are doing somthing

which they arent

even less if u play bad

[opal ledge]

so... BSV is doing nothing?

[jagged pier]

depends if u went low or was actually about to die

[naive ravine]

Its the only non questionable talent from your build

[restive fulcrum]

Does Stance Mastery do much beyond the displayed 'absorb' on details/logs? like is that the full effectiveness of it's additional DR?

[naive ravine]

Im considering swapping away from bsv cuz I feel like in 17/18s its kinda pointless

[jagged pier]

if it just procs because u went low then its useless unless u were planning to use it that way

just because bsv procs doesnt mean u were about to die

[naive ravine]

Its basically just a pug talent

[naive ravine]

Yeah thats what I noticed aswell

[jagged pier]

its what ive been saying for years

ppl think oh it procs i died

no u went to 29% hp

u might have just been low

[jagged pier]

its also no, i died with it up in a pug because the healer just didnt hela me and i died

[naive ravine]

In pugs I usally health pot when it procs to top me off

[jagged pier]

well i use it as a defensive if i have it

so like i wont use SW etc because well its a defensive

[naive ravine]

Yeah thats probably the smartest and most effective way of using the talent point

[jagged pier]

but sometimes it does require your healer to u know press a heal

[naive ravine]

Aslong as BSV is active any heal will top you off

Could be off healing from a dps

[jagged pier]

Yer i was lpw and stayed lpw

The the dr dropped of and i died

[naive ravine]

Team gap

Gg

[jagged pier]

Pug healer me being greedy

All factors

[naive ravine]

Pug healer also dont understand that when a prot warrior drops in hp he needs healing

Not like bdk or monk

[jagged pier]

Anyway i do recommend if u run bsv u are using it as a defensive, cause in higher keys u do use it as a defensive

U need it for x pull

Etc

So u play on having it and using it

[naive ravine]

Yeah thats smart

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2zvNYgCRGnTLkQJV?fight=3&type=damage-done

Found a 99 parse

What happened to the guy arguing? Did we convince him?

[jagged pier]

Doubt it

[opal ledge]

convince me of what?

[jagged pier]

U just had to ask

[naive ravine]

Yeah man need to somehow spend my work time till i get to open my vault

[naive ravine]

That the build you were running

1. Does not warrant you to spam Revenge for dps increase
2. The talents you opted to take for def crippeled your dps while also making you take more dmg
3. That looking at parses only is no good metric

[opal ledge]

the build i'm playing is without punish and 4/4... so thunderclap and ss deals less dmg....
the logs with most dmg came from Revenge spam.
and the more i spammed revenge the better my testing went, so i think it's related.

you don't need to spam revenge tho.

2. i only took more dmg cuz i took backshots like a lot, first time playing this build and feels way to diferent, i sucked

3. i'm not looking just a parses so we can agree on that.

it was nice dmg...
if i try to play without last stand, bsv, and shield specilization... i will probably die. i'm not that high level of a gamer and play with 200 ping, i feel a lot safer with that build

[jagged pier]

where yu testing with the same group?

same ppl?

same pulls?

same dugneon?

[opal ledge]

no

[jagged pier]

then the testing is irrelevent

[sweet egret]

do we still not take any execute talents for raid build? I don't see any build in pins or on icyveins

[jagged pier]

it could ahve gone better

because the group. healer. dps where just better

[jagged pier]

u can ping mwahi for that answer

[opal ledge]

can i do more dmg without those defensive talents? yes...
but i tried and feels bad to play, i don't want to play.
the dmg is really close

i did a lot of low keys with friends, and this gave me the best dps
so at least it kinda works for me

[sharp gale]

tbf I think there is a rotation on colossus with enough targets where you just spam revenge bc frothing + bloodsurge

[sweet egret]

as was said already, you're sure that dps increase is not just about the group as a whole being better?

[opal ledge]

it was not... actually the group brought the dps down a bit, last boss a dps died with 60% of the boss hp and we killed with 4 ppl, that pushed the dps down

i just tried to do what I saw Tomomo do in those 140k dps runs
i was like "why my revenge is 20% dps and his revenge is 40%?"
so i spammed revenge more.

and in this build dropping talents that buff SS don't hurt as much.... but i'm not saying it's optimal.
i just cant take a build like that a go to 16 or 17, my gameplay is no that good -- i need those defensives

[sweet egret]

apex talents are defensive though?

[naive ravine]

The def u opted to take MAKE YOU TAKE MOR DMG MAN

Wake up

You gain more def from apex then the talents you took

Just cuz u cant see the dmg u reduced wth apex doesnt mean it isnt there

Wake up

Statistics > Feelings

[sweet egret]

tbh I do agree with him that it's a game and you don't have to be optimal to have more fun

[opal ledge]

Saying you take more dmg by taking shield mastery makes no sense

[sharp gale]

And I think no talents allows you more to revenge spam except bloodsurge, I don’t rly understand

[naive ravine]

What about last stand and indom?

And then u take away endurin alacrity

U gain dmg

And def

[opal ledge]

indom will heal a lot, and 10% max hp make makes things safer

those 2% haste helps a lot with ITF

[naive ravine]

You THINK it does a lot, but compared to apex it does less to same depending on key

Have you tried looking at actual logs and doing math to see if your feelings are missleading you?

[opal ledge]

yes

[naive ravine]

Okay and what was the conclusion and can you show us those?

[opal ledge]

that 1/4 is less impactful on colossus than thane.
on thane i play 4/4

like... that guys is doing 20's as prot, if he is taking indom and last stand, can't be that bad.

[naive ravine]

We are currently talking about indom vs 5% dr

[naive ravine]

I give up

[opal ledge]

sadly i cant trade indom for the final apex talent

it's 3 points

thunderclap and phalanx doing together 12%dmg, means those 2 middle points are giving me 1% overall dmg per talent point, that's a low value.
TaN is giving me 6% to 7% overall with a single point.

damage taken per sec: 49,861.0
-5%.... thata around 2.5k dps taken
indom is healing me 4k hps
(and giving me 10% max hp with is a nice safe boost)

it also buffs other max hp related talents, feels nice

Is there a way to see on my logs how many of my revenge were free revenge with the proc?

oh found it

[slim egret]

do we play thane or colossus in raid

in this patch

[opal ledge]

you can play both

thane is being more played, just got buffed too... colossus seems to have a bit more dmg

[ionic fern]

Thane with the latest changes.

[fringe mural]

Is the dps build using frothing berserker?

[slim egret]

so like the whole season

[analog lily]

what happened to bear, they are op af

[crimson furnace]

any chance to make execute work???

Plssss, Lord!!!

[naive ravine]

You used it b4 the buffs as thane

Now its just better

[ionic fern]

For the last few weeks Colossus and MT were balanced and you could play whichever.

But now Blizz decided it's bad so they buffed MT.

[ionic fern]

You do execute now as both hero trees.

[raw whale]

Deep wounds talent still not worth using isn't it ?

[jagged pier]

[lofty warren]

bear 200% trash sounds scary

[slender grail]

so we got no buff this week?

[sweet egret]

not more than what was in the hotfix

[slender grail]

Execute damage increased by 20%.
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane: Ground Current damage increased by 50%

so we got this y?

[naive ravine]

Should be

[crisp ocean]

my hunter cant find his bl button wth

[jagged pier]

they need the correct pet out

[covert nacelle]

do we even press Execute? when I press it it seems to do nothing

[proven kite]

So with the additional damage to mountain Thane, does that mean it’s clearly the best in mythic plus again?

I’m running Colossus right now, but looking at the additional mountain thing damage might switch back

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

on ST only

[covert nacelle]

alright, will give it a try.
Seemed a waste of rage as of late

[proven kite]

Is it even close or is mountain thane just the clear choice?

[jagged pier]

i mean they were basically equal until this reset thane is just ahead again

[frosty mango]

We need 50% revenge buff for Colo

If the world is to truly be balanced again

[wicked plank]

As replacement for revenge in thane or ?

[fringe mural]

yes

but i‘m not sure if you still use exe when there‘s a free revenge proc

I think you don‘t

[jagged pier]

u press it as col now too

[coral quartz]

Do many of you run puzzle box got it in my vault i tried using it before but found it inpractial

[ivory barn]

Blizzard pissed me off, 100% chance at ring next week

[harsh trellis]

I have 2 more m chim kills because it gave me a mythic chest when I have a myth chest already

[plush tendon]

tbh, Id like to see some synergy with Col and Execute