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fringe mural
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but it only works when sb is up

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otherwise it will just drop right away

lusty grotto
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false

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completely false

fringe mural
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what?

lusty grotto
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"halve your damage" = false

cunning pecan
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I swapped to HR from ITF last night. I think I will stick with it until I get a bit more haste.

lofty warren
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Wtf. Ip can absorb damage even if sb not up

lusty grotto
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"it only works when SB is up" = false

harsh trellis
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Ip works w/o block

lusty grotto
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IP does not "halve your damage", its not DR

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its a partial absorb

fringe mural
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ip absorbs 50% of the dmg taken unless the cap is reached

lofty warren
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Can you image if ip straight up did nothing if sb wasn't up

cerulean tusk
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What new IP miss information are we on about, for nim to clarify basics

fringe mural
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and the cap is reached like instantly if you don't have another mitigation up

cerulean tusk
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Never change pwarrior never change

fringe mural
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guys this is semantics, i am not talking verbatim here

sharp gale
frosty mango
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His feedback isn’t wrong, and you have some things you can improve on (like block uptime) but the instances he raises are small

plush tendon
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Did you know by pressing IP, you can save 15 minutes or more on car insurance?

fringe mural
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wtf people really

frosty mango
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Like I don’t think using IP in those spaces would make a noticeable difference in your relative health level

lofty warren
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IP is an absorb if I recall not a dr

lusty grotto
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yeah i agree with Roid here

frosty mango
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But I think at a strict technical level the feedback is sound

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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he missed the mark on the problem though

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SB effective uptime is the problem

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once thats fixed

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everything else will be

fringe mural
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of course ip is an absorb

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nvm

cunning pecan
lusty grotto
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one other thing

frosty mango
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I said it last tier and it’s just as true now, you could literally never press IP in a raid and from a healing and effective health perspective, it would make absolutely zero functional difference

cunning pecan
harsh trellis
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In any case. No need to debate it with your raid lead... who is probably in this channel anyway. Just nod and say, hey I'll own this. And just work on doing better. Big prog nights people will almost always finger point at tanks first

lusty grotto
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this doesnt really align with what he said

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thats an example from one of your logs

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in which

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you are IPing WAY TOO MUCH

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and not pressing TC/TB/SS enough

cunning pecan
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Was this from Cosmos?

lusty grotto
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yes

cunning pecan
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Because last night I was doing what they said.

plush tendon
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what about Alleria is giving you trouble?

fringe mural
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if you're not tb'ing and ss'ing enough you might lose the dr's on the boss

cunning pecan
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Yeah that's when I tried playing how I was told.

cunning pecan
lusty grotto
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dont do what youre getting told to do

cunning pecan
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They brought this to my attention prior to Alleria.

lusty grotto
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fix your SB issue, and play like you were

mighty valley
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i'm with nav, lol... say "got it, boss" and then work on the things that actually matter, not what he says matters, and this'll all go away

frosty mango
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How does this feedback relate to a problem

cerulean tusk
frosty mango
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You are not dying to busters (as far as I can see)

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And you aren’t falling over

fringe mural
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okay so before i get shit on again, please tell me, is ip calculating the absorb before or after sb?

lofty warren
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After

cerulean tusk
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IP should be after, being layer 3

lusty grotto
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yeah i mean from your other logs your CPM and rage use are very good - so continue doing those WHILE maintaining SB

fringe mural
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that's all i needed to know thanks

cunning pecan
lusty grotto
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and remember to liberally send walls

plush tendon
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yea, nothing really stands out

fringe mural
plush tendon
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other then standing in the P1 soaks

frosty mango
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I want to offer an alternative option

plush tendon
frosty mango
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Create a macro that adds /yell “IM PRESSING IGNORE PAIN BOSS” to ignore pain

lofty warren
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Raw base damage

  • minus mitigation/dr
    = equals damage youre going to take
  • minus absorbs
    = if damage you should take is still positive then apply ro current hp
frosty mango
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They will quickly drop the issue

lusty grotto
toxic pewter
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are guilds telling other specs how to play their spec is this common in mythic raiding guilds

harsh trellis
toxic pewter
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Ok was about to go on some rant about how prot warr is singled out and crap

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but everyonee deals with this perhaps

harsh trellis
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Prots great in raid

lofty warren
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What did this guys raid leader tell him to do?

sharp gale
frosty mango
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I spent an entire tier being told I was bad bc I had gray green parses bc we overhealed so I just spent all my time triaging and dpsing instead of sending 60% overheal

fringe mural
frosty mango
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Whenever I sat deaths went up dramatically bc they were all parse whoring

lofty warren
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Some of them are multiply and some plus minus order of operations matter

fringe mural
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if some are plus minus then it's not all multiplicative

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and of course then the order matters

lusty grotto
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DRs are multiplicative with each other, Armor DR goes after the resulting damage

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Parry/Dodges are effectively 100% DR

fringe mural
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yes

lusty grotto
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if it was multiplicative, dont you think that they wouldn't be?

lofty warren
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In aoe as MT do I ever press execute after buffs?

sharp gale
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What % would you give to « often » ?

fringe mural
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you seem to forget that sometimes, also when you jumped on me just now for my note to ip

lusty grotto
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nothing personal, im just making sure things are communicated correctly

fringe mural
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i know you don't want people to think it's a dr and then it pops the absorb limit i get that

lofty warren
fringe mural
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all good

lofty warren
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What if you have the buff thay makes your revenge free

lusty grotto
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the order of damage checks is important because damage types are a thing

fringe mural
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my point just was ip holds longer when you have other dr up

harsh trellis
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Whenever revenge is free im sending it

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Lol

fringe mural
sharp gale
fringe mural
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since ip is counted after dr, it is important to have the other dr up before you use it

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or else it will just pop for nothing

cunning pecan
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Thanks for the the help guys.

sharp gale
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But execute is basically never (currently)

fringe mural
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that was my point

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i probably said that in a misleading way

frosty mango
cerulean tusk
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Just take care and dont get a bad tone with your RL, Purish

cunning pecan
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Best class/spec discord.

fringe mural
lofty warren
harsh trellis
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I just went back and read the raid leads note to you

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Seems to be open

sharp gale
fringe mural
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yeah rl doesn't seem like an ass or ignorant

sharp gale
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Nim is working on it, I think

frosty mango
# fringe mural what you mean?

For everything else in the game the calculation is done at the time of the damage event.

So if you press Ip, and then shield wall, it would still apply the mit first then the absorb

harsh trellis
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I mean the guy went hey. 70. Noted

lusty grotto
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execute buff wont change anything for M+

cerulean tusk
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Rata mentioned exe still bad, still used the same way

lofty warren
sharp gale
fringe mural
lusty grotto
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but you are banned if you dont use it in pure ST or prio

fringe mural
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it will pop right away

lusty grotto
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with the biggest ban hammer

frosty mango
cerulean tusk
frosty mango
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I think that’s the confusion

lusty grotto
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nah col can stay not using it

lusty grotto
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im talking thane specifically

cerulean tusk
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gladge i did not need to call you out the

sharp gale
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Thane is the one with 25% execute dmg node okayge

fringe mural
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i know it doesnt matter, but if people think hey ip is so cool it absorbs 50%

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and dont use other dr

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they will have a bad time

cerulean tusk
frosty mango
fringe mural
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that's like solar core igniter basically, being way better if you keep it from popping

lofty warren
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In ST as MT bsv where does execute go in prio list? Current list is

sharp gale
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You already used that ragebait card pepega

lusty grotto
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its the same pepega

cerulean tusk
lofty warren
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Let me reread it was away taking ss

cerulean tusk
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Did Pepe bait me again?

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Dang it

sharp gale
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He needs to find new tricks for these halls

fringe mural
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i'd say that's because i am translating as i type probably

lofty warren
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Nim said that it is the same but also that you get banned if you dont use execute as MT in st. So basically execute still almost never pressed

fringe mural
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sometimes comes off wrong

harsh trellis
lusty grotto
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on IP: every partial absorb reads the same way, as much as we shit on blizzard for having dogshit tooltips, i dont think they can do any better with them

harsh trellis
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Street fighter it up

cerulean tusk
fringe mural
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it says it only absorbs 50% up to amount x

lofty warren
fringe mural
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so 50% only works if you take less than x after dr

cerulean tusk
harsh trellis
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Wowhead doesn't even reference shield block

cerulean tusk
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Another 20% tho, then we talking

lofty warren
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Oh. What a useless buff

fringe mural
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we just tank with 2h

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np

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then we can drop to 5% like bdk

harsh trellis
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I just wish wowhead had what icy veins had because most people run to wowhead

fringe mural
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but once at 5% there's no death strike to get us up again and we just fall over

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sad

lofty warren
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St dps buff 3%
Aoe dps buff: 7%

These are the latest right for mt?

sharp gale
fringe mural
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we blue

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dabadee

sharp gale
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It might take some time until they find someone

frosty mango
fringe mural
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oh btw for anyone who forgot

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go grab profession talents at darkmoon faire

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and xp buff to level warrior toons

undone beacon
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Its kinda fun to carry wee babs through these vault 10s lmao

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10 MT lol

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Wish they were payin me tho

sharp gale
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You deleted the fun out of that dh

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finally in meta after 4 packs…. and it is dead already

lusty grotto
arctic hearth
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Remember that the MT damage buffs do tie into our survivability through the talent brutal vitality as well, might seem minimal but it’s a start.

undone beacon
sharp gale
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Never forget what Nim’s friend said

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Im grinding a hunter rn tho

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Honeymoon period of the season is not over for me smh

lofty warren
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Even with 7% dps buff that moves pwar 78.5k dps up to 84k.. bro other talks already doing 90k+ feel like these dps buff won't be enough but who knows

lofty warren
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How is it bait? Do you think the dpss buffs are big enough

cerulean tusk
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Very bug

lusty grotto
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nope not gonna answer

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bait resisted

cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
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not gonna happen cat

cerulean tusk
sharp gale
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will not put war in S tier, but maybe higher B

jagged pier
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How is that bait? Do you think the dpsss buffs are big enough

lusty grotto
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ahhhhhh

lofty warren
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Ok well that is my opinion - that the dps buffs not big damage to compete with the damage other tanks are doing in m+. Archon may be flawed but even if you give pwar an extra 5% fudge factor then ur still not competing with moh brew dps

jagged pier
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whats gunna be funny is every switch to the 4/4 build we been giving out

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as sense hit R1

sharp gale
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smh colossus

mighty valley
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share the archon chart again. i dare you, i double dare you

cerulean tusk
fringe mural
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0/4

fringe mural
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phalanx too hard to aim

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hit ceiling by accident

cerulean tusk
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long form content inc

jagged pier
sinful sun
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Hello guys, how do you deal with the bleeds from adept in Skyreach ? Especially the group in the stairs to unlock a door.

sharp gale
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the animation going on the side when you strafe is cringe tbf

jagged pier
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u step back

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stun and step back

cerulean tusk
jagged pier
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fear and step back

true idol
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How much more healer help does colon require over thane

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Colo lol

lusty grotto
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LMAO

jagged pier
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none

fringe mural
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colonus

lusty grotto
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that darn colon again

sinful sun
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ok will try, ty

mighty valley
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for millennials, getting into their 40s, it's a good idea to get healer help for colon

jagged pier
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tbf when u get older it get wors

true idol
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Phone sabotage

fringe mural
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colon warriors fight through the back

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you face away from the mobs

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and (s)hit them

lusty grotto
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and if youve never had a colonoscopy, as a veteran of two so far, get ready for some pain on the prep (the procedure is chill)

lofty warren
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Healer needs to help when warrior are getting their colons pushed in by the enemy

fringe mural
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what do you get a colonoscopy for?

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When you can't take a no2?

jagged pier
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all sorts

cold pilot
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I've run 39 keys this week and have received 0 Dawnlight Manafucks

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I hate my life.

jagged pier
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:yeppers:

lusty grotto
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yup just like jakey said, all sorts of stuff

fringe mural
cold pilot
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I've done 4 bountiful 11s this week

fringe mural
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crazy

cold pilot
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game hates me

fringe mural
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oh it's when they need to check inside not flush insides

mighty valley
fringe mural
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good thing i'm 38 still but getting there soonish

lusty grotto
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that being said, ive only done blood prostate tests, not looking forward to the proper one but i'm about due

jagged pier
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im just not going to the doctors anymore

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this is the way

lusty grotto
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it cant be as bad as the colonoscopy purge prep

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but uhhh

cold pilot
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I'm on GLP-1 so I'm racing to see if the meds will kill me first or my obesity

fringe mural
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Blizzard was right

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Wow has become a seniors game

jagged pier
fringe mural
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We're talking about colonoscopy in class discord

jagged pier
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still chatting

cold pilot
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I have an actual zoomer in my guild that says 6-7 unironically and it makes me want to kms

lusty grotto
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mwahi about to drop the hottest mixtape this year

fringe mural
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wicked

fringe mural
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well i use 6-7 to amuse my students

ionic fern
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Execute damage increased by 20%.
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane: Ground Current damage increased by 50%.

THE NUMBERS..WHAT DO THEY MEAN???

  • ~3-4% single-target DPS increase for MT.
  • ~0.6% single-target DPS increase for Colossus.
  • Mountain Thane is the default pick everywhere again.
  • Colossus now presses Execute in single-target with the same logic as Mountain Thane: Use it when Shield Slam & Thunder Clap are on cooldown.

Ping @lusty grotto for AoE sims, i'm lazy.

fringe mural
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Lightens the mood

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
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wait a minute...

shut summit
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everyone ping @lusty grotto

jagged pier
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@lusty grotto what about aoe??????????????????????????????

dusky canopy
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@lusty grotto

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Sims

lofty warren
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@lusty grotto

ionic fern
fringe mural
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@lusty grotto i totally need an aoe sim right now

plush tendon
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@lusty grotto peepologs

lofty warren
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Sim pls

lusty grotto
undone beacon
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nim imma ping u in the guild disc

vast epoch
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@lusty grotto any aoe sims ?

lofty warren
cold pilot
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When are those changes coming?

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Did I miss something?

ionic fern
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Tomorrow.

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(For US).

cold pilot
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Are there notes somewhere?

cold pilot
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Thank you ❤️

lofty warren
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Mr smart pwars - do you think this buff is enough? When I look at the number the % increase doesnt move pwar damage up to match what other tanks are doing

ionic fern
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Enough for whaT?

undone beacon
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Mwahi dont get pepega'd

mighty valley
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pepega if you wait for the archon chart to have numbers that all line up, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life

lofty warren
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Well, enough to compete with the top tanks in terms of dps? Like brew is showing around 99k in dps

ionic fern
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99k is

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nothing

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Wtf.

arctic hearth
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99k is the average you can 100% do more than that

plush tendon
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im curious if Sudden Death becomes a talent option in raid

lofty warren
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Like others said I am looking at archon (which is using wcl data)

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Believe archon uses top logs not just anyone who is doing a +7

fringe mural
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95th percentile is the top 5% timers probably

cold pilot
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That list makes me vomit looking at how many BM there are and Blizzard still doesnt do shit about it

fringe mural
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Because your dps doesn't matter jack shit, your clear time does

frosty mango
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I am regularly doing 105-115k in weekly keys and I don’t see that number going down on Tuesday

plush tendon
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IDK why im so sleepy today

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I got a full 8 hours of sleep

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and yet I feel like I need to take a pre raid nap tonight

undone beacon
frosty mango
lusty grotto
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its monday Augusto

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par the course

undone beacon
frosty mango
lofty warren
plush tendon
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I should have not kept sleeping when I natty woke up at 6am this morning

frosty mango
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Also cut out caffeine

plush tendon
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that may have been a mistake

frosty mango
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Shit makes you tired

arctic hearth
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Even going for max defense in 18+ im rarely under 100k dps

frosty mango
undone beacon
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I have cut back on my coffee intake but it never was about energy, it’s about ritual

fringe mural
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Most people need to sleep 90 minutes x X

plush tendon
frosty mango
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What changes that would lead to dps going down as keys go up there is no way to spend your rage more defensively

fringe mural
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to feel refreshed when waking up

arctic hearth
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The exception being sky reach where there are not many big pulls

undone beacon
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Even tho coffee hurts my stomach and makes me eepy

plush tendon
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I had a red bull and a dunkin iced coffee

ionic fern
plush tendon
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we gonna prob snag a 2nd red bull soon

lofty warren
harsh trellis
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Skyreach also slows down i think in 16+

mighty valley
lofty warren
frosty mango
plush tendon
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like would the execute cleave be worth it?

ionic fern
frosty mango
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TLDR - warrior dps is (more than) fine and that ain’t the changes we need

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Imo

ionic fern
undone beacon
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I’m dropping 3 points from apex and taking the full execute suite Execute peepo

plush tendon
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this is purely for raid

ionic fern
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I will suggest only using Heavy Handed on 3 targets, and 3 targets only.

lusty grotto
plush tendon
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like for Belo and Lura

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I guess the deep wounds talent is also meh af

arctic hearth
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I run sudden death with deep wounds for raid single target

lofty warren
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I wonder what the chinese pwars will cook up. I've seen them time +20 pos with 1/4 apex which is tantamount to heresy in this disc

solid sun
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Speaking of skyreach

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New routing just dropped

lusty grotto
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if you HH for 3 target fights, you want DW

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and SD

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massacre... eh

outer willow
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What buffs do we need to get to brew master levels of tank?

lusty grotto
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ez

jagged pier
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we dont want that

lusty grotto
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the "ignore reddit" buffs

jagged pier
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no one wants toe meta

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its the fucking worst

solid sun
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Now we can all time skyreach easily

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Look at this ez pz tech

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🙃

jagged pier
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old news

lofty warren
undone beacon
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“Requires DH+Aug” bedge

solid sun
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Yeah by 8 hours

frosty mango
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No one is taking brew for their dps

lofty warren
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I think pwars are not that far from brews tankiness wise atm

lusty grotto
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i swear to christ they will just delete weyrnstone one day

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or make it unusable in keys

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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yeah its wild

toxic pewter
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delete aug

undone beacon
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Make Aug a tank spec ez

sharp gale
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make war

lusty grotto
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it just hasnt been talked about because TWW had minimal evoker presence, but people forget Weyrn DF pulls

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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well you see

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if only spear ignored LoS

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it could be our temu weyrnstone 🙂

sharp gale
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If we could leap everywhere monkahmm

abstract arch
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My healer rerolled an Aug and now we're pugging heals 😔

abstract arch
toxic pewter
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should give us 3 charges of leap

plush tendon
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warriors should be allowed to charge through walls

abstract arch
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Just gcd leap tbh

harsh trellis
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I mean 3 charges of leap. Fix avatar so it gets us out of roots and shit again

plush tendon
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I remember that SL lego

toxic pewter
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yeah ngl i miss the avatar rootbeak and rage it gave

abstract arch
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Give me a node for 50% movement speed

lusty grotto
sharp gale
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I think I never used avatar rootbreak bc I play bis race

toxic pewter
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lmao

abstract arch
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Humans dont have a rootbreak tho

toxic pewter
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in pvp its wild how many gnome warr are running around

lofty warren
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Not gonna lie on my 273 ilvl brew i switch to moh and did a +16 pos without ever feeling in danger while on 277 pwar felt more in danger

toxic pewter
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even more now than ever

toxic pewter
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u just stand there * oh i got slashed 3 times in a row?*

sharp gale
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Smh frost named spell = phys dmg sometime

lofty warren
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I have a celestial brew absorb for every time I get slashed ad moh so easy

undone beacon
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Unrelated to anything but I think the music/instrument store near my house went out and now there’s ANOTHER salon/beauty studio and now I’m sad

toxic pewter
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I mean honestly we tank them fine but if u dont have something ready and u get in a bad spot can be ugly

abstract arch
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Keg breath punch kick

undone beacon
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I swear to god my town is 90% salons and dentists

toxic pewter
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feelsbadman

sharp gale
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could be 90% fields 10% houses

undone beacon
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I’d prefer that

toxic pewter
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not sure which I hate more going to dentist or getting haricut monkahmm

lofty warren
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Do you have spell reflect for every frost slash in pos?

undone beacon
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At least there’s a boudoir studio too so that’s interesting at least

sharp gale
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D-2 before myth crests spending

lofty warren
toxic pewter
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like sometimes u tanking 2 at a time and they desynced

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so def gotta use wall

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but if u put urself in a bad position for whatever reason that slash actually can really hurt

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plus the increase frost dam situation like u said

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with a lich or some crap

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can take u out

toxic pewter
toxic pewter
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damn gnomes why they so cute :3

opal ledge
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it cant be reflected

toxic pewter
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yeah but i think he means the 25% magic dr

undone beacon
opal ledge
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oh

toxic pewter
opal ledge
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i usually use those for reflects on the icy blasts/bolts

fringe mural
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gnome is just small

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and weirdly disproportionate

opal ledge
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man colossus spam revenge builds is so bad but deals so much dmg

fringe mural
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that's like calling a chihuahua cute because it's small

toxic pewter
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We need a Gnome raid/gnome patch

lofty warren
opal ledge
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i'm sad, i wanna do dmg without giving up stuff

opal ledge
daring marlin
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Haven't done any keys on him this week tho

undone beacon
daring marlin
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barely been playing

undone beacon
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Same

toxic pewter
undone beacon
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Burnout has happened fast this season idk

daring marlin
toxic pewter
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Yeah not gonna lie I burned myself out hard

toxic pewter
#

vulpera need some lore

daring marlin
toxic pewter
#

alliance alrready genocided my people back in vol dun sadge

#

U BURNED OUR CARAVAN

lofty warren
sharp gale
toxic pewter
daring marlin
#

gnomes, gross

undone beacon
#

i will forever hold a grudge against blizz and vulpera for taking away Kelfin

daring marlin
#

Vrykul allied race when actually

opal ledge
#

i just tested this build and got 99 parse, could even be a cleaner run
i think i will use this build tomorrow when spamming 10's for roll
it's jus revenge revenge revenge

abstract arch
toxic pewter
#

well yeah colossus do be revengin a lot

outer willow
#

Fuck new races

toxic pewter
#

I think Earthen the least played race

undone beacon
#

Tinker class pls

outer willow
abstract arch
#

More likely a tinker than bard

outer willow
#

I change my answer

sharp gale
#

i wait tinker class since bfa

mighty valley
#

bringin back ALL the old memes

undone beacon
#

uncouple survival from bombs and shotguns and make a tinker that can be melee/ranged/tank

abstract arch
#

Basically bran

outer willow
#

🧀

lofty warren
#

I want another allied race that is a reskinned dwarf

daring marlin
opal ledge
#

i think we are getting amani troll, maybe even this expansion

mighty valley
#

every single mmochampion forum thread titled “New Expansion Leak (REAL)” had tinker class in it

abstract arch
#

Which is what I think they were doing with brans kit

undone beacon
#

shotgun+shield tank, ranged explosives dps, and melee turret building dps

opal ledge
#

i wish earthen at least could dispell stuff like other dwarf, so horde would have access to it too

lofty warren
#

The thing that prevents you from messaging guy who listed group you applied to bc they are other factor is bad and needs to die

undone beacon
#

I agree with that pepega

#

its very annoying

stoic hound
#

whats you tactic on aa first pull - you charge and leap throug packs to gather em or going to the tree boss and ht there each pack to sync em nicely?

toxic pewter
#

prob want to save leap for when u trying to reset bleed stacks

rocky crest
mighty valley
# daring marlin factions in 2026 🚨

you just know some programmer in 2004 was like "d'you think we'll ever wanna change the faction stuff? like at all? should I build this in a way that won't totally fuck us if we want to loosen faction restrictions in 20 years' time?"

#

and the answer was "no, bolt that shit up TIGHT"

undone beacon
#

Actually they have a big button in a glass case that says "Break to remove faction restrictions" and everytime they tour blizz hq they make people walk by it and the pantomime pressing it and then everyone points and laughs from their cubicles

daring marlin
mighty valley
#

it's right next to the "Add Bug" button that they keep pressing for fun

undone beacon
#

They have one of those infinite drinking birds tapping it like in the simpsons

sharp gale
frosty mango
strong forum
#

bgs exist cuz this game used to have an active pvp community!

#

but decades of neglect have shrunk it

lofty warren
#

Someone can only get global by rogue mage so many times before they say f it and stop okayge

frosty mango
#

The funny thing is they could easily wedge PvP into the lore by calling them “war games” or something and adding a quest line to unlock PvP where they explain how the factions overcame their differences but still use PvP as a form of military scrimmage

#

But instead we get some half step where we have half ass lore AND half ass systems

#

Like you can’t whisper someone from another faction

#

Which is the absolute dumbest restriction ever

sharp gale
#

They don’t need to wedge PvP into lore

#

No one cares about PvP

#

Similar to wedge m+ into lore

dusky canopy
#

@lusty grotto
nimssims

sharp gale
#

@dusky canopy beloren check

dusky canopy
#

Tomorrow I fight again

sharp gale
#

30min I fight first time beloren le mythique

dusky canopy
#

Omega dead egg with 40 seconds

#

Prog tonight is still 30 second egg

undone beacon
#

do the heroic pug strat and 1-egg it? peepo

lusty grotto
lofty warren
#

All I know is that when I apply to myth chim pug I want to be able to wisp the leader my ce achieves but half the time I am blocked bc cross faction bs

toxic pewter
#

Yeah its pretty awful

#

cross faction whispering seems to be tied to having been in a group with the people only then can u whisper them during and a bit after leaving group... at least I think

sharp gale
#

If you are Liquid (or after ilvl upgrade in 2 weeks)

white swift
#

Is it better for us to be running Colossus or MT?

lusty grotto
#

any is fine until tomorrow

#

thane will over take, just follow the icy-veins builds

white swift
#

Gotcha on that

urban vortex
drowsy comet
lofty warren
lusty grotto
#

SC is bugged in logs

#

since DF

urban vortex
#

Can’t be right… hitting it on CD pretty much

lofty warren
#

Oh its bugged

plush tendon
#

with like a perfect comp of just max ST dps

undone beacon
#

2 tank 1 healer 17 pure ST dps

urban sonnet
#

best enchantement for warrior a lot tanky ?

plush tendon
#

no healers

#

just elemental shamans with ank

undone beacon
urban sonnet
#

better than wowhead?

undone beacon
#

We dont support the wowhead guide, we dont have a pwarr guide writer

urban sonnet
#

because i see icy veins guide and if me enchantemtn is for dpsw

#

dps*

#

but idk

lusty grotto
#

there is no enchant for "tanky"

#

furthermore, enchants are stats which have defensive value

undone beacon
#

The icy veins recommendations are our recommendations. They provide the best of both worlds for defense and offense

plush tendon
lofty warren
#

Believe haste is the best secondary for both dps and tanky

plush tendon
lusty grotto
plush tendon
#

cause I like to be edgy

opal ledge
#

colossus is doing more dmg than i expected

#

it's like 11% with a "similar" build on thane... 16% if you go full dmg talents

tribal wharf
#

so if i bonus roll a dungeon

#

and i get helmet

#

or some shit i dont want

#

i have to keep the helmet? for it to not drop it again?

undone beacon
#

You can get rid of the helmet

lofty warren
undone beacon
#

once you roll it, its off the loot table

undone beacon
opal ledge
tribal wharf
#

so with enough rolls over enough time you could garuntee loot from some souce

#

seems like raid takes 2 and i think vault takes 3

undone beacon
opal ledge
undone beacon
#

Raid rolls cost 2, M+ rolls cost 1

tribal wharf
#

what about the vault

#

i dont have enough for vault

undone beacon
#

you cant reroll your vault

tribal wharf
#

oh, i thought there was a vault protection

undone beacon
#

No

#

If you take tokens, you can turn them into an extra roll instead of getting a socket

#

But you cant reroll your vault

mighty valley
#

thane is the problem, the baby puree of prot warrior

undone beacon
#

I mean is it really though

#

Its not like col is substantially harder than thane

#

You just hit revenge more and sometimes demolish

opal ledge
mighty valley
#

yeah the demolishes are the lumps of cookie dough

#

there's only a couple of them but they're there

#

thane is pure vanilla

mighty valley
frosty mango
#

Positioning for gather can take a little time to learn but the actual rotation part is largely just mashing revenge

mighty valley
#

i agree it's easy but if it's omega easy, what is thane

tribal wharf
#

my gold after buying a wow token

#

where does it go, i dunno

lofty warren
#

The true skill is to get your team to not interrupt so you get sr value

daring marlin
abstract arch
#

Col is just more fun too. Wish demolish did more tho

plush tendon
#

I like it when both hero talents are viable and excel in different niches

#

they should both be balanced in ST, but id like to see Col excel in like cleave/low target count whereas MT excels in more aoe

#

never really a fan of when one hero talent is just BiS in all scenarios

abstract arch
#

Execute being buffed on MT and not Col seems weird too

#

If even from just a thematic perspective

dusky canopy
jagged pier
plush tendon
#

Col is weird cause execute doesnt have any synergy with the hero tree

#

whereas MT gets another 25% execute damage

#

like if execute granted a stack of Colossal might that would be nifty

lofty warren
#

Qhats the point of the execute buff if it doesnt change the apl for mt and is like a 0.5% dps increase?

jagged pier
#

Dont change anything

plush tendon
jagged pier
#

It changes col

lusty grotto
#

it does change the MT APL

#

at 3 target count

jagged pier
#

U now press it for col

lusty grotto
#

but thats it

jagged pier
#

Heavy handed instead of bb?

lusty grotto
#

realistically its just an APL optimization, it doesnt mean people will play it

#

its a dps loss vs bb

lofty warren
abstract arch
plush tendon
#

I dont think Sudden Death was in any of the MT Raid builds

#

maybe im dumb, but I havnt been using it

crisp ocean
#

dont dark iron dwarf and normal dwarf basically have the same racial

mighty valley
undone beacon
#

Normal has a 10% phys dr rider, DI has a stat boost rider. Both are big self cleanses

mighty valley
#

you pressed execute sometimes before, you press it sometimes now and it does more damage

toxic pewter
#

they need to like rework execute kind of like what they did with spirit bomb for vdh..

undone beacon
#

Dark Iron dwarves are absolutely cooler peepo

lusty grotto
#

thats the vilest take ive read in a while apb

daring marlin
#

Flame beards own

plush tendon
#

objectivley false

#

Normal Dwarf is cooler

#

cause they live in the snow

undone beacon
#

But no flame beard

#

Ergo, not as cool

harsh trellis
#

The regular dwarf heritage armor is so much better

daring marlin
#

While that's cool and all

#

flame beard clears, sorry

harsh trellis
#

Flame beard is stupid

#

Warms everything you drink

#

Warm beer is shit

daring marlin
#

fixed that for you bucko

lofty warren
unborn tide
#

Around what key level does dwarf actually start making a huge difference? I've been messing with my prot but probably not taking him higher than 16-17 this season. I would like to avoid being short and stubby.

mighty valley
#

it's already top prio other than CDs and that wouldn't change

inner rune
#

Hello what is the best dg to Bonus Roll as war tank ? Spire ?

shadow sequoia
#

hello, I know this most likely has been answered like a 100 times and I'm sorry but what is the expected aoe damage increase for thane in m+ ?

daring marlin
harsh trellis
#

Dont need to sim

#

Do you have a myth track weapon or shield? Roll Aa

#

Do you have a gaze yet? Roll dreamrift

inner rune
#

okay thx ! 🙂

harsh trellis
hybrid fog
#

anyone else unable to sim their character?

#

Keep getting this

lusty grotto
#

that line isnt in ours

#

idk what custom apl youre running, but unnerving focus or bolster do not exist since Midnight pre patch

hybrid fog
#

Never put anything in there intentionally, no clue why there is stuff in there

lusty grotto
#

because you did

#

but it is what it is

hybrid fog
#

Yeah i have to have done it, but i have no memory of ever touching it, must be some expansion ago

daring marlin
#

you bozo

harsh trellis
daring marlin
#

And a way better trinket

#

AA is trash. I already have puzzlebox.

#

guess I should gear my Warrior so I can tank higher keys thsn you 1/4 guy

harsh trellis
#

But go ahead

daring marlin
#

would be cake

harsh trellis
#

Stop talking about it lol

daring marlin
#

Acting like 16s is a tall order

hybrid fog
daring marlin
#

lmao

harsh trellis
#

Gear your prot war and do it already

daring marlin
#

Significantly harder to pug IO as a DPS

#

like bruh

#

you're lost

harsh trellis
#

It's not

opal ledge
opal ledge
#

i'm having a lot of fun with it 🙂

harsh trellis
#

Not yet

opal ledge
#

i plays kinda the same as 1/4 but deals more dmg

harsh trellis
#

I'll check it out

lusty grotto
#

misinformation once again

#

its a 1.5k 3k dps loss to drop punish

#

or more

#

3k, actually

harsh trellis
lusty grotto
#

i mean no shit

sharp gale
#

I think the build no punish does more dmg than the build with a 2h

lusty grotto
#

but is it "fun"?

#

"im havin fun" by doing less dps and the same priority

#

and having no free DR

sharp gale
#

They are having fun feelcrafting I guess

lusty grotto
#

at least 2h is fun for sure

#

since you cant SS

quick iron
#

On light blinded vanguard, does spell reflecting the prot pallys tank buster whilst affected by judegment increase its damage?

lusty grotto
#

only in the mythic version

#

unless it was fixed

quick iron
#

I have some bribing to do then

toxic pewter
#

how do i do line as tank on skyrech 2nd boss

#

doesnt the frontal sort of mess with me doing it

lusty grotto
#

he does 2 frontals while he does lines

#

after 2nd frontal you can freely move

#

also you can bait the frontal to the side a bit and dodge into the line

toxic pewter
#

ok so will the line I choose to soak also have a dps on it perhaps

#

or am i meant to do the line myself

#

I guess i just take it from a dps after the frontals

harsh trellis
#

Are we even supposed to do the lines

#

I always thought thats just a dps job

toxic pewter
#

apprently its sort of expected in the higher up keys

lusty grotto
toxic pewter
#

the damage is very hard on healer

lusty grotto
#

and you can help out dps after the 2 frontals

harsh trellis
#

Ahh ok

toxic pewter
#

ok I will have to practice this

#

lmao

#

I feel like im gonna screw up and do more harm than good

lusty grotto
#

m0 is easy to solo

#

just go in, dunk on 1st boss

toxic pewter
#

yes actually will do this

lusty grotto
#

im not sure if the same versions of the boss are there for the heroic version since that version is WoD's

toxic pewter
#

hmm interesting

lusty grotto
#

you can try and check though

toxic pewter
#

yes will play around with it

shadow sequoia
#

hello, I know this most likely has been answered like a 100 times and I'm sorry but what is the expected aoe damage increase for thane in m+ ?

lusty grotto
#

8%

#

more or less

shadow sequoia
#

thank you

harsh trellis
#

its also pinned now isnt it?

shadow sequoia
#

only single target is pinned

#

unless I'm missing something

#

Ping Nimchip for AoE sims, i'm lazy. this is from the pins 😛

undone beacon
#

Log in determined to get an 18 Spire done on priest
Sit in queue for half an hour waiting for an invite
Finally get in, start the key
Bolted to death on first pull in the middle of opener
Wipe, bricked, gg

harsh trellis
undone beacon
#

True, guess I'll kms

harsh trellis
#

Spriest pumps aoe

frosty mango
undone beacon
#

I swear i keep watching people throw their hard cc in the middle of the gather and it makes me lap my kick

#

Like let me KICK the caster dont stun it in narnia you fucks

ocean heath
#

in the beginning area of MC, is it bad to have packs next to the target dummys?

undone beacon
#

Doesn't matter from what I've seen, and its funny pad

ocean heath
#

I feel like it's "eating" some dps

undone beacon
#

I mean if your dps are being apes and targeting the dummies thats on them. Its great for funnel though

harsh trellis
#

Where are the target dummies in mc?

ocean heath
#

im just thinking of abilities that drop off when there are more than like 5 targets

ocean heath
harsh trellis
undone beacon
crisp ocean
#

i hate casters in keys tho

#

caster mobs, can never pull em properly

tribal wharf
#

i think most kicks for dps (or tanks) should be dps increase

harsh trellis
crisp ocean
tribal wharf
#

for me its any kind of archer i hate the most

#

cuz its auto attack but at range

#

and then you get close and they run away

#

so stupid

harsh trellis
crisp ocean
#

i think they run towards you

tribal wharf
#

i think they should take out dagger or punch when you get too close

#

demon hunter has a dps increase for kick

crisp ocean
#

never stun

tribal wharf
#

and kind of you have it on warrior but its not worth taking lol

crisp ocean
#

actually technically 5

harsh trellis
#

Also most pugs aren't using anything to indicate wtf to kick or prio

pallid quiver
#

The joke is they should have picked their group better smh

lusty grotto
#

you forgot it was a joke?

crisp ocean
#

no I forgot people can be sarcastic

daring marlin
#

craven

lusty grotto
#

im having dinner and need to run 5 more keys for lil bro

hallow urchin
#

Any good YouTuber doing prot guides for a zug dps smootbrain?

crisp ocean
lusty grotto
#

those arent prot warrior guides

#

i think he means to learn how to tank

crisp ocean
#

ahh nvm

lusty grotto
#

unfort if you dont know how to read though

#

but i believe in you

ocean heath
#

tanking might be too much for smoothbrains tho

lusty grotto
#

idk man im pretty smooth brained mysefl

ocean heath
#

i just get anxious trying to determine if I can pull large or not

outer willow
crisp ocean
outer willow
#

No worries man.

#

It’s a bad idea they had imo

crisp ocean
lusty grotto
#

as an hpal, i disagree

crisp ocean
lusty grotto
#

so ez, no kicks? people die, no healing to be done

#

ez

crisp ocean
lusty grotto
#

more stacking consecrations with judgment and SotR spam

warm plinth
lusty grotto
outer willow
#

I think they should ONLY give hpriest a kick

warm plinth
#

Disc never had one either

crisp ocean
crisp ocean
lusty grotto
#

sure?

crisp ocean
#

or hpal

lusty grotto
#

no

crisp ocean
#

they have a stun

#

i think, idk

lusty grotto
#

yes we do

#

and blinding light

crisp ocean
#

yeah exactly

#

2 kicks

lusty grotto
#

what does it matter

warm plinth
#

The answer is always to switch to anything but priest if you want control

lusty grotto
#

group doesnt kick? they dont deserve to time

#

go next

outer willow
#

Based and mousepilled

crisp ocean
#

that is true

harsh trellis
#

Brew is so chill

#

so so chill

ocean heath
crisp ocean
crisp ocean
ocean heath
#

i did MC yesterday and I was barely handling some big pulls, turns out it was a 12 instead of 10 lol

outer willow
#

Just put it in

ocean heath
harsh trellis
#

Also you can leave the bears out if you want

stable kernel
stable kernel
ocean heath
#

spell reflecting the last boss feels good tho

torpid cave
#

Hi gang, how much does prot warr kite in high keys (17+)

lusty grotto
#

not much

#

only as necessary to clear any bleed or dot

ocean heath
#

how much are you kiting in AA?

lusty grotto
#

you dont

torpid cave
#

Awesome, ty

stable kernel
#

we face death like a true warrior

lusty grotto
#

kiting does nothing in AA

#

you need to leap out to reset stacks

stable kernel
#

them lashers be on yo heels gl kiting

ocean heath
#

yea i meant leaping

#

you get 1 leap i guess

lusty grotto
#

thats not kiting

stable kernel
#

reset and pray healer pump tf outta you

lusty grotto
#

you dwarf one, you leap at <5s, if dps hasnt killed a big lasher by then youre in a shit group and need to go next

stable kernel
#

i dont know why dps wouldnt focus the big lashers but I have seen it

frosty mango
#

I was just called a trash tank by melee who had sub 15 kicks and did 100k overall in a 16

#

I’m so proud

ocean heath
#

i suppose you could also intercept someone

frosty mango
tribal wharf
#

alright

harsh trellis
#

Marl!!!!

tribal wharf
#

i guess i win

ocean heath
#

how many dungeons are you doing per week?

tribal wharf
#

not enough

#

clearly

stable kernel
severe hound
#

do you guys have a weekly 10-12 key talent build for max dmg

harsh trellis
ornate bear
#

anyone have youtuber recommendations or vids on how to play warrior thats updated?

lusty grotto
#

no

#

dont do youtube guides

ornate bear
#

what if i said please

#

oh

lusty grotto
#

most of them are garbage

#

specifically on how to play prot warrior

ornate bear
#

i'm a visual learner,

lusty grotto
#

to do keys/raids we have a few

#

these are not "how to play" prot warriors

#

these are high ranked content warriors

#

you want a guide, you go to icy-veins

uncut burrow
#

I dig Topicx’s vids. They’ve been helpful here for pulls and such along with talent builds.

ornate bear
#

i'll check them out. i'm just super new to wow as i've said before, finally capping out weekly for the most part on stuff i want to do on my monk so i want to play a new tank and been trying warrior

#

struggling though.

uncut burrow
#

He was doing 1/4 apex for a bit before going the full 4/4 since the 5% damage reduction has been helpful in higher keys

crisp ocean
stable kernel
#

dont spam Ignore pain

#

biggest thing newer prot warrs tend to do

ornate bear
#

i have so many spells but dont feel like i'm supposed to use any of them per the guide

#

if im reading right

#

my mom says i'm IA tho

#

so idk

harsh trellis
ornate bear
#

intensive autism

harsh trellis
#

ah cool

toxic pewter
#

wat dat

harsh trellis
#

its autism but really intense

#

obviously

warm plinth
#

Rend and Whirlwind don't need to be on your bars

ornate bear
#

didnt rend get buffed?

harsh trellis
#

puts rend on

uncut burrow
#

Thunderclap for rend needs

ornate bear
#

this is my bar

#

remove rend and whirlwind?

uncut burrow
#

I do but that's just me.

mighty valley
#

Zero use to have rend or whirlwind on your bars

hollow solstice
#

I know this has been probably answered 100 times

#

maybe 1000

#

but where are we spending our bonus rolls in m+

#

If im fresh AF 90 what is the best spot to start dropping rolls

hollow solstice
#

Appreciate you but I ain't raiding mythic my friend 😄

lusty grotto
#

whatever dungeon has the most loot, you target

#

so if you get unlucky getting something good, you at least get an upgrade

hot jolt
#

When you guys are in AA what dragon buff do you guys get? Green or Bronze?

lusty grotto
#

haste always

hot jolt
#

Bet. Much appreciated

autumn heron
#

I take the vers warriorbrain

harsh trellis
#

go haste

daring marlin
#

@lusty grotto STILL DOING KEYS? NEED A DPS?

#

I need one more for weekly

warm plinth
#

WHY ARE YOU YELLING

daring marlin
#

Nim is old

#

His ears no work good

charred moat
#

How much haste is needed to have shield block 10 secs cd?

blissful pecan
#

60%

lusty grotto
#

not obtainable

daring marlin
lusty grotto
#

finishing skyreach

undone beacon
#

wow nim waits for me to leave

#

i see how it is

#

shaking and crying

lusty grotto
tulip bridge
#

whats the warrior buff for aoe?

daring marlin
#

never doing ES in shit keys again

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
undone beacon
lusty grotto
#

i also am an ES hater after 30s