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what?
"halve your damage" = false
I swapped to HR from ITF last night. I think I will stick with it until I get a bit more haste.
Wtf. Ip can absorb damage even if sb not up
"it only works when SB is up" = false
Ip works w/o block
ip absorbs 50% of the dmg taken unless the cap is reached
Can you image if ip straight up did nothing if sb wasn't up
and the cap is reached like instantly if you don't have another mitigation up
Never change pwarrior never change
guys this is semantics, i am not talking verbatim here
Typical IP is a DR from what I see
His feedback isn’t wrong, and you have some things you can improve on (like block uptime) but the instances he raises are small
wtf people really
Like I don’t think using IP in those spaces would make a noticeable difference in your relative health level
IP is an absorb if I recall not a dr
yeah i agree with Roid here
But I think at a strict technical level the feedback is sound
Every tooltip looking like IP is just a partial absorb yep
he missed the mark on the problem though
SB effective uptime is the problem
once thats fixed
everything else will be
Thanks I know I make mistakes but I didn't feel like I was under threat usually. I will work on my SB uptime though definitely. HR will help with that. I think I was just barely below the 1188 haste threshold for ITF anyway after I swapped a ring.
one other thing
I said it last tier and it’s just as true now, you could literally never press IP in a raid and from a healing and effective health perspective, it would make absolutely zero functional difference
So just make sure I have SB up while actively tanking damage. I will work on it definitely.
In any case. No need to debate it with your raid lead... who is probably in this channel anyway. Just nod and say, hey I'll own this. And just work on doing better. Big prog nights people will almost always finger point at tanks first
this doesnt really align with what he said
thats an example from one of your logs
in which
you are IPing WAY TOO MUCH
and not pressing TC/TB/SS enough
Was this from Cosmos?
yes
Because last night I was doing what they said.
what about Alleria is giving you trouble?
if you're not tb'ing and ss'ing enough you might lose the dr's on the boss
Yeah that's when I tried playing how I was told.
Nothing.
dont do what youre getting told to do
They brought this to my attention prior to Alleria.
fix your SB issue, and play like you were
i'm with nav, lol... say "got it, boss" and then work on the things that actually matter, not what he says matters, and this'll all go away
Imo conversely ask them to explain the actual problem
How does this feedback relate to a problem
To be fair, if your RL tells you to do something, you do it. Then discuss it and explain after the raid
okay so before i get shit on again, please tell me, is ip calculating the absorb before or after sb?
After
IP should be after, being layer 3
yeah i mean from your other logs your CPM and rage use are very good - so continue doing those WHILE maintaining SB
that's all i needed to know thanks
Thank you!
and remember to liberally send walls
yea, nothing really stands out
layer 1 being sb and layer two drs?
other then standing in the P1 soaks
I want to offer an alternative option

Create a macro that adds /yell “IM PRESSING IGNORE PAIN BOSS” to ignore pain
Raw base damage
- minus mitigation/dr
= equals damage youre going to take - minus absorbs
= if damage you should take is still positive then apply ro current hp
They will quickly drop the issue
DR > Armor > Block/Parry/Dodge > Full Absorb > Partial Absorb > IP
are guilds telling other specs how to play their spec is this common in mythic raiding guilds
Yes
very common
I think they would probably take offense and then bench the poor dude
Ok was about to go on some rant about how prot warr is singled out and crap
but everyonee deals with this perhaps
Prots great in raid
What did this guys raid leader tell him to do?
There is a big range of World rank where you can see that yes
I spent an entire tier being told I was bad bc I had gray green parses bc we overhealed so I just spent all my time triaging and dpsing instead of sending 60% overheal
is the order of dr/armor/block even important when it's all multiplicative?
Whenever I sat deaths went up dramatically bc they were all parse whoring
yes its important
Some of them are multiply and some plus minus order of operations matter
if some are plus minus then it's not all multiplicative
and of course then the order matters
DRs are multiplicative with each other, Armor DR goes after the resulting damage
Parry/Dodges are effectively 100% DR
yes
if it was multiplicative, dont you think that they wouldn't be?
In aoe as MT do I ever press execute after buffs?
What % would you give to « often » ?
sorry i didn't understand the wording, i am a german
you seem to forget that sometimes, also when you jumped on me just now for my note to ip
nothing personal, im just making sure things are communicated correctly
i know you don't want people to think it's a dr and then it pops the absorb limit i get that
So that is "yes"? Where does it go in prioriry list? Over revenge and below ss?
all good
What if you have the buff thay makes your revenge free
the order of damage checks is important because damage types are a thing
my point just was ip holds longer when you have other dr up
that makes sense didn't think of that
It was a general question not rly answering you particularly
since ip is counted after dr, it is important to have the other dr up before you use it
or else it will just pop for nothing
Thanks for the the help guys.
But execute is basically never (currently)
I don’t think it snapshots like that
Just take care and dont get a bad tone with your RL, Purish
Best class/spec discord.
what you mean?
What about after the 20% execute buffs
Gotta ask ppl who does apl things
yeah rl doesn't seem like an ass or ignorant
Nim is working on it, I think
For everything else in the game the calculation is done at the time of the damage event.
So if you press Ip, and then shield wall, it would still apply the mit first then the absorb
I mean the guy went hey. 70. Noted
execute buff wont change anything for M+
Rata mentioned exe still bad, still used the same way
what about st?
Comeback of execute build in raid ?
yeah but if you use IP and forget to keep other dr up because of that like shield block and then get hit
but you are banned if you dont use it in pure ST or prio
it will pop right away
with the biggest ban hammer
Well yes, but the order you apply them doesn’t matter
Even if Col? 
I think that’s the confusion
nah col can stay not using it
yeah sry
im talking thane specifically
i did not need to call you out the
Thane is the one with 25% execute dmg node 
i know it doesnt matter, but if people think hey ip is so cool it absorbs 50%
and dont use other dr
they will have a bad time
Col is the one with the hundred rev nodes

Then yes you’re just saying that ip isnt a 50% mit, its a partial absorb, and therefore isn’t viable as a pure defensive like shield block or shield wall
that's like solar core igniter basically, being way better if you keep it from popping
In ST as MT bsv where does execute go in prio list? Current list is
You already used that ragebait card pepega
its the same pepega
Rat just answered that
Let me reread it was away taking ss
He needs to find new tricks for these halls
yeah i just worded it wrongly
i'd say that's because i am translating as i type probably
Nim said that it is the same but also that you get banned if you dont use execute as MT in st. So basically execute still almost never pressed
sometimes comes off wrong
Do you have this printed out and do you reference this in every single pull? Just button mash.
on IP: every partial absorb reads the same way, as much as we shit on blizzard for having dogshit tooltips, i dont think they can do any better with them
Street fighter it up
Exactly, so why you keep asking
i think the tooltip is fine
it says it only absorbs 50% up to amount x
I didn't know if the 20% buff to execute changed where it goes in apl
so 50% only works if you take less than x after dr
Nah, exe still overall kinda weak
Wowhead doesn't even reference shield block
Another 20% tho, then we talking
Oh. What a useless buff
who needs that
we just tank with 2h
np
then we can drop to 5% like bdk
I just wish wowhead had what icy veins had because most people run to wowhead
but once at 5% there's no death strike to get us up again and we just fall over
sad
St dps buff 3%
Aoe dps buff: 7%
These are the latest right for mt?
No one wants to be orange here
It might take some time until they find someone
We are all together orange
oh btw for anyone who forgot
go grab profession talents at darkmoon faire
and xp buff to level warrior toons
Its kinda fun to carry wee babs through these vault 10s lmao
10 MT lol
Wish they were payin me tho
You deleted the fun out of that dh
finally in meta after 4 packs…. and it is dead already
the aoe one sure, the ST one is higher due to execute changes
Remember that the MT damage buffs do tie into our survivability through the talent brutal vitality as well, might seem minimal but it’s a start.
Hey I suffer too... mobs dont live long enough for me to get my big dot damage 
Never forget what Nim’s friend said

Im grinding a hunter rn tho
Honeymoon period of the season is not over for me smh
Even with 7% dps buff that moves pwar 78.5k dps up to 84k.. bro other talks already doing 90k+ feel like these dps buff won't be enough but who knows
How is it bait? Do you think the dpss buffs are big enough
Very bug
How is it bait? Do you think the dpss buffs are big enough
not gonna happen cat

will not put war in S tier, but maybe higher B
ahhhhhh
Ok well that is my opinion - that the dps buffs not big damage to compete with the damage other tanks are doing in m+. Archon may be flawed but even if you give pwar an extra 5% fudge factor then ur still not competing with moh brew dps
whats gunna be funny is every switch to the 4/4 build we been giving out
as sense hit R1

smh colossus
share the archon chart again. i dare you, i double dare you
Never, I will remain 1/4 forever just to spite you
0/4

Hello guys, how do you deal with the bleeds from adept in Skyreach ? Especially the group in the stairs to unlock a door.
the animation going on the side when you strafe is cringe tbf
just stun them or fear them, and backpeddal
fear and step back
LMAO
none
colonus
that darn colon again
ok will try, ty
for millennials, getting into their 40s, it's a good idea to get healer help for colon
tbf when u get older it get wors
Phone sabotage

colon warriors fight through the back
you face away from the mobs
and (s)hit them
and if youve never had a colonoscopy, as a veteran of two so far, get ready for some pain on the prep (the procedure is chill)
Healer needs to help when warrior are getting their colons pushed in by the enemy
all sorts
:yeppers:
yup just like jakey said, all sorts of stuff
Go run one t11 delve and get it
I've done 4 bountiful 11s this week
crazy
game hates me
oh it's when they need to check inside not flush insides
should start getting them as a routine checkup after 40ish to check for issues, rates of bowel cancer are on the rise
good thing i'm 38 still but getting there soonish
that being said, ive only done blood prostate tests, not looking forward to the proper one but i'm about due
I'm on GLP-1 so I'm racing to see if the meds will kill me first or my obesity
We're talking about colonoscopy in class discord
still 
I have an actual zoomer in my guild that says 6-7 unironically and it makes me want to kms
mwahi about to drop the hottest mixtape this year
wicked

well i use 6-7 to amuse my students
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane: Ground Current damage increased by 50%.
THE NUMBERS..WHAT DO THEY MEAN???
- ~3-4% single-target DPS increase for MT.
- ~0.6% single-target DPS increase for Colossus.
- Mountain Thane is the default pick everywhere again.
- Colossus now presses Execute in single-target with the same logic as Mountain Thane: Use it when Shield Slam & Thunder Clap are on cooldown.
Ping @lusty grotto for AoE sims, i'm lazy.
Lightens the mood

Damn that mixtape is fire yo
wait a minute...
everyone ping @lusty grotto
@lusty grotto what about aoe??????????????????????????????
@lusty grotto

@lusty grotto i totally need an aoe sim right now
@lusty grotto 
Sim pls

@lusty grotto any aoe sims ?
I agree with this. Having aoe stuff in pin would be very good/useful
Are there notes somewhere?
Thank you ❤️
Mr smart pwars - do you think this buff is enough? When I look at the number the % increase doesnt move pwar damage up to match what other tanks are doing
Enough for whaT?
Mwahi dont get pepega'd
pepega if you wait for the archon chart to have numbers that all line up, you'll be waiting for the rest of your life
Well, enough to compete with the top tanks in terms of dps? Like brew is showing around 99k in dps
99k is the average you can 100% do more than that
Like others said I am looking at archon (which is using wcl data)
Believe archon uses top logs not just anyone who is doing a +7
95th percentile is the top 5% timers probably
That list makes me vomit looking at how many BM there are and Blizzard still doesnt do shit about it
Because your dps doesn't matter jack shit, your clear time does
I am regularly doing 105-115k in weekly keys and I don’t see that number going down on Tuesday
IDK why im so sleepy today
I got a full 8 hours of sleep
and yet I feel like I need to take a pre raid nap tonight

For you specifically it is sorry
Rip me
This is me all the time but I also only get like 6 hours of sleep
I sleep 3.5 hours a night you just gotta be built different
Well that is weekly keys im talking about ones where you need to try to not die as well
I should have not kept sleeping when I natty woke up at 6am this morning
Also cut out caffeine
that may have been a mistake
Shit makes you tired
Even going for max defense in 18+ im rarely under 100k dps
Why would your dps go down as key level goes up
I have cut back on my coffee intake but it never was about energy, it’s about ritual
Most people need to sleep 90 minutes x X
lol, good jokes
What changes that would lead to dps going down as keys go up there is no way to spend your rage more defensively
to feel refreshed when waking up
The exception being sky reach where there are not many big pulls
Even tho coffee hurts my stomach and makes me eepy
I had a red bull and a dunkin iced coffee
Unironically SD should already now be used as MT in ST.
For Colossus, it will also be the default pick for offensive builds, but it is only SLIGHTLY (few hundred) ahead of a DW/BB build instead of DW/SD.
we gonna prob snag a 2nd red bull soon
Smaller pulls, more defensive talents used, more time potentially kiting, more gcds using defensives
Skyreach also slows down i think in 16+
which GCD defensives are these
Rally cry
Rarely are there smaller pulls in higher keys and defensives are not on the gcd usually
any of the other execute talents become viable?
like would the execute cleave be worth it?
🙅♂️
@lusty grotto 
I’m dropping 3 points from apex and taking the full execute suite

this is purely for raid
I will suggest only using Heavy Handed on 3 targets, and 3 targets only.
only in strict 3-target
I run sudden death with deep wounds for raid single target
I wonder what the chinese pwars will cook up. I've seen them time +20 pos with 1/4 apex which is tantamount to heresy in this disc
not really
if you HH for 3 target fights, you want DW
and SD
massacre... eh
What buffs do we need to get to brew master levels of tank?
ez
we dont want that
the "ignore reddit" buffs
Cooked up a new way of pulling birds onto 2nd boss skyreach tech requires DH+Aug. I have not tested this yet in an active key but should still work. Pretty massive time save in most meta comps. See important notes below.
Now we can all time skyreach easily
Look at this ez pz tech
🙃
Is you trust archon data then need about 5% dps buff to match the dps they are doing in m+
“Requires DH+Aug” 
Yeah by 8 hours
No one is taking brew for their dps
I think pwars are not that far from brews tankiness wise atm
i swear to christ they will just delete weyrnstone one day
or make it unusable in keys
Shocked it still exists
yeah its wild
delete aug
Make Aug a tank spec ez
make war
it just hasnt been talked about because TWW had minimal evoker presence, but people forget Weyrn DF pulls
Agreed
If we could leap everywhere 
My healer rerolled an Aug and now we're pugging heals 😔
I would just like to actually leap over things
should give us 3 charges of leap
warriors should be allowed to charge through walls
Just gcd leap tbh
I mean 3 charges of leap. Fix avatar so it gets us out of roots and shit again
I remember that SL lego
yeah ngl i miss the avatar rootbeak and rage it gave
Give me a node for 50% movement speed
also legion leggo
I think I never used avatar rootbreak bc I play bis race
lmao
Humans dont have a rootbreak tho
in pvp its wild how many gnome warr are running around
Not gonna lie on my 273 ilvl brew i switch to moh and did a +16 pos without ever feeling in danger while on 277 pwar felt more in danger
even more now than ever
well yeah in put stagger just tanks every frostbane slash without even having to think about it lmao
u just stand there * oh i got slashed 3 times in a row?*
Smh frost named spell = phys dmg sometime
I have a celestial brew absorb for every time I get slashed ad moh so easy
Unrelated to anything but I think the music/instrument store near my house went out and now there’s ANOTHER salon/beauty studio and now I’m sad
I mean honestly we tank them fine but if u dont have something ready and u get in a bad spot can be ugly
Keg breath punch kick
I swear to god my town is 90% salons and dentists
feelsbadman
could be 90% fields 10% houses
I’d prefer that
not sure which I hate more going to dentist or getting haricut 
Do you have spell reflect for every frost slash in pos?
I think so
At least there’s a boudoir studio too so that’s interesting at least
D-2 before myth crests spending
I guess only the initial hit bc with the dot you won't have full uptime against
like sometimes u tanking 2 at a time and they desynced
so def gotta use wall
but if u put urself in a bad position for whatever reason that slash actually can really hurt
plus the increase frost dam situation like u said
with a lich or some crap
can take u out
monk gnome just too good lol
damn gnomes why they so cute :3
yeah but i think he means the 25% magic dr

oh
lolol
i usually use those for reflects on the icy blasts/bolts
there's cute and then there's gnome
gnome is just small
and weirdly disproportionate
man colossus spam revenge builds is so bad but deals so much dmg
that's like calling a chihuahua cute because it's small
We need a Gnome raid/gnome patch
Those are interruptable though while the dot isnt
i'm sad, i wanna do dmg without giving up stuff
yeah but the reflect hits 500k, i ask for no interrupts on ioy blast
My DK is close to that
Haven't done any keys on him this week tho
We had that in BFA
barely been playing
Same
lol those are mechagnomes tho
Burnout has happened fast this season idk
More like Vulpera one
Yeah not gonna lie I burned myself out hard
So we can bury all the furries
Seems good and can kill that big frost bolting one down fast. 
you wish you were in that community

gnomes, gross
i will forever hold a grudge against blizz and vulpera for taking away Kelfin
lmao damn goofy is unhinged
Vrykul allied race when actually
i just tested this build and got 99 parse, could even be a cleaner run
i think i will use this build tomorrow when spamming 10's for roll
it's jus revenge revenge revenge
well yeah colossus do be revengin a lot
I think Earthen the least played race
Tinker class pls
OOOH
More likely a tinker than bard
I change my answer
i wait tinker class since bfa
bringin back ALL the old memes
uncouple survival from bombs and shotguns and make a tinker that can be melee/ranged/tank
Basically bran
🧀
I want another allied race that is a reskinned dwarf
Sad but true
i think we are getting amani troll, maybe even this expansion
every single mmochampion forum thread titled “New Expansion Leak (REAL)” had tinker class in it
Which is what I think they were doing with brans kit
shotgun+shield tank, ranged explosives dps, and melee turret building dps
i wish earthen at least could dispell stuff like other dwarf, so horde would have access to it too
The thing that prevents you from messaging guy who listed group you applied to bc they are other factor is bad and needs to die
whats you tactic on aa first pull - you charge and leap throug packs to gather em or going to the tree boss and ht there each pack to sync em nicely?
prob want to save leap for when u trying to reset bleed stacks
factions in 2026 🚨
Walk into the middle after the pat passes, throw heroic throws on 3 big pack. pop 1 charge on a small add pop SB . Avatar and start smashing with demo shout
you just know some programmer in 2004 was like "d'you think we'll ever wanna change the faction stuff? like at all? should I build this in a way that won't totally fuck us if we want to loosen faction restrictions in 20 years' time?"
and the answer was "no, bolt that shit up TIGHT"
Actually they have a big button in a glass case that says "Break to remove faction restrictions" and everytime they tour blizz hq they make people walk by it and the pantomime pressing it and then everyone points and laughs from their cubicles
LMAOOOOOOOO
it's right next to the "Add Bug" button that they keep pressing for fun
they did it too with cross server guilds 
It’s funny bc every expansion is some variation of “we need to work together” and yet we still have battlegrounds
bgs exist cuz this game used to have an active pvp community!
but decades of neglect have shrunk it
Someone can only get global by rogue mage so many times before they say f it and stop 
The funny thing is they could easily wedge PvP into the lore by calling them “war games” or something and adding a quest line to unlock PvP where they explain how the factions overcame their differences but still use PvP as a form of military scrimmage
But instead we get some half step where we have half ass lore AND half ass systems
Like you can’t whisper someone from another faction
Which is the absolute dumbest restriction ever
They don’t need to wedge PvP into lore
No one cares about PvP
Similar to wedge m+ into lore
@dusky canopy beloren check
Tomorrow I fight again
30min I fight first time beloren le mythique
do the heroic pug strat and 1-egg it? 
ok you do good, ill handle your mom 
All I know is that when I apply to myth chim pug I want to be able to wisp the leader my ce achieves but half the time I am blocked bc cross faction bs
Yeah its pretty awful
cross faction whispering seems to be tied to having been in a group with the people only then can u whisper them during and a bit after leaving group... at least I think
It will be possible yes
If you are Liquid (or after ilvl upgrade in 2 weeks)
Is it better for us to be running Colossus or MT?
Gotcha on that
Hey guys, would you mind taking a look at my recent AA run? Feel like my damage is lacking.
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1500924028939141280
Says you pressed shield charged 4x in the entire dungeon?
Can’t be right… hitting it on CD pretty much
Oh its bugged
I wonder if it would be possible to one phase mythic Belo
with like a perfect comp of just max ST dps
best enchantement for warrior a lot tanky ?
Refer to the Icy Veins guide
better than wowhead?
We dont support the wowhead guide, we dont have a pwarr guide writer
there is no enchant for "tanky"
furthermore, enchants are stats which have defensive value
The icy veins recommendations are our recommendations. They provide the best of both worlds for defense and offense
likewise, can you link the aoe sims
Believe haste is the best secondary for both dps and tanky


I use prim stat
cause I like to be edgy
colossus is doing more dmg than i expected
it's like 11% with a "similar" build on thane... 16% if you go full dmg talents
so if i bonus roll a dungeon
and i get helmet
or some shit i dont want
i have to keep the helmet? for it to not drop it again?
You can get rid of the helmet
See if can do full damage talents while doing a key you havent timed before
once you roll it, its off the loot table
Too bad thane is getting buffed and will be better in all content again
i don't think i can... feels very clunky and i dont like the playstyle
so with enough rolls over enough time you could garuntee loot from some souce
seems like raid takes 2 and i think vault takes 3
Thats the entire point of the system, yes
it's a 6% buff tho i wanted more x.x
Raid rolls cost 2, M+ rolls cost 1
you cant reroll your vault
oh, i thought there was a vault protection
No
If you take tokens, you can turn them into an extra roll instead of getting a socket
But you cant reroll your vault
warriors wear full plate and thunk stuff with a shield, we're supposed to feel clunky
thane is the problem, the baby puree of prot warrior
I mean is it really though
Its not like col is substantially harder than thane
You just hit revenge more and sometimes demolish
playing without ranged and aoe interrupt feels clunky to me, it's not about colossuss, its about the max dps talents i'm talking about
yeah the demolishes are the lumps of cookie dough
there's only a couple of them but they're there
thane is pure vanilla
oh to get barb training? if you're truly brave you can drop stance mastery instead lol
Col is omega easy to play imo
Positioning for gather can take a little time to learn but the actual rotation part is largely just mashing revenge
i agree it's easy but if it's omega easy, what is thane
The true skill is to get your team to not interrupt so you get sr value
LOL
Col is just more fun too. Wish demolish did more tho
I like it when both hero talents are viable and excel in different niches
they should both be balanced in ST, but id like to see Col excel in like cleave/low target count whereas MT excels in more aoe
never really a fan of when one hero talent is just BiS in all scenarios
Execute being buffed on MT and not Col seems weird too
If even from just a thematic perspective

its buffed for both
Col is weird cause execute doesnt have any synergy with the hero tree
whereas MT gets another 25% execute damage
like if execute granted a stack of Colossal might that would be nifty
Qhats the point of the execute buff if it doesnt change the apl for mt and is like a 0.5% dps increase?
Dont change anything
Mwahi said you may end up running sudden death in the ST build
It changes col
U now press it for col
but thats it
Heavy handed instead of bb?
realistically its just an APL optimization, it doesnt mean people will play it
its a dps loss vs bb
Didn't he say you should've been using it before too?
I'm talking about the 25% in the hero tree
I dont think Sudden Death was in any of the MT Raid builds
maybe im dumb, but I havnt been using it
dont dark iron dwarf and normal dwarf basically have the same racial
if they buffed demolish it wouldn't change colossus's prio order and it would still be a buff, why does this matter
Normal has a 10% phys dr rider, DI has a stat boost rider. Both are big self cleanses
you pressed execute sometimes before, you press it sometimes now and it does more damage
they need to like rework execute kind of like what they did with spirit bomb for vdh..
should have went dark iron, they much cooler
Dark Iron dwarves are absolutely cooler 
you want execute with CD like our dps specs?
thats the vilest take ive read in a while apb
yes, true
Flame beards own
The regular dwarf heritage armor is so much better
Well they buffed something that basically has no usage and still basically has no usage so question is "why are they spinning their wheels for a 0.4% dps increase?" Also if they buffed demolish by like 50000% wouldnt it go to top of apl?
Around what key level does dwarf actually start making a huge difference? I've been messing with my prot but probably not taking him higher than 16-17 this season. I would like to avoid being short and stubby.
it's already top prio other than CDs and that wouldn't change
Hello what is the best dg to Bonus Roll as war tank ? Spire ?
hello, I know this most likely has been answered like a 100 times and I'm sorry but what is the expected aoe damage increase for thane in m+ ?
I'd sim droptimizer
AA and chimerus
Dont need to sim
Do you have a myth track weapon or shield? Roll Aa
Do you have a gaze yet? Roll dreamrift
okay thx ! 🙂
delete everything in your custom apl
that line isnt in ours
idk what custom apl youre running, but unnerving focus or bolster do not exist since Midnight pre patch
Never put anything in there intentionally, no clue why there is stuff in there
Yeah i have to have done it, but i have no memory of ever touching it, must be some expansion ago
Aa is better. Poser ret
And a way better trinket
AA is trash. I already have puzzlebox.
guess I should gear my Warrior so I can tank higher keys thsn you 1/4 guy

You won't be able to
But go ahead
would be cake
Acting like 16s is a tall order
Worked thought, Thank you
lmao
Again still talking as a dps
Gear your prot war and do it already
It's not
did you tried that build dropping punish and bsc for the 4/4?
Nope
i'm having a lot of fun with it 🙂
Not yet
i plays kinda the same as 1/4 but deals more dmg
I'll check it out
misinformation once again
its a 1.5k 3k dps loss to drop punish
or more
3k, actually
Hes saying it does more dmg than 1/4
i mean no shit
I think the build no punish does more dmg than the build with a 2h
but is it "fun"?
"im havin fun" by doing less dps and the same priority
and having no free DR

They are having fun feelcrafting I guess
On light blinded vanguard, does spell reflecting the prot pallys tank buster whilst affected by judegment increase its damage?
I have some bribing to do then
how do i do line as tank on skyrech 2nd boss
doesnt the frontal sort of mess with me doing it
he does 2 frontals while he does lines
after 2nd frontal you can freely move
also you can bait the frontal to the side a bit and dodge into the line
ok so will the line I choose to soak also have a dps on it perhaps
or am i meant to do the line myself
I guess i just take it from a dps after the frontals
apprently its sort of expected in the higher up keys
you can def bait it to the side while soaking (to solo soak)
the damage is very hard on healer
and you can help out dps after the 2 frontals
Ahh ok
ok I will have to practice this
lmao
I feel like im gonna screw up and do more harm than good
yes actually will do this
im not sure if the same versions of the boss are there for the heroic version since that version is WoD's
hmm interesting
you can try and check though
yes will play around with it
hello, I know this most likely has been answered like a 100 times and I'm sorry but what is the expected aoe damage increase for thane in m+ ?
thank you
its also pinned now isnt it?
only single target is pinned
unless I'm missing something
Ping Nimchip for AoE sims, i'm lazy. this is from the pins 😛
Log in determined to get an 18 Spire done on priest
Sit in queue for half an hour waiting for an invite
Finally get in, start the key
Bolted to death on first pull in the middle of opener
Wipe, bricked, gg
That sucks. Im sorry that happened.
"bad spriest, replace"
True, guess I'll kms
Spriest pumps aoe
I swear i keep watching people throw their hard cc in the middle of the gather and it makes me lap my kick
Like let me KICK the caster dont stun it in narnia you fucks
in the beginning area of MC, is it bad to have packs next to the target dummys?
Doesn't matter from what I've seen, and its funny pad
I feel like it's "eating" some dps
I mean if your dps are being apes and targeting the dummies thats on them. Its great for funnel though
Where are the target dummies in mc?
im just thinking of abilities that drop off when there are more than like 5 targets
like 2nd pull on right side
Ahh. I've never done a right side route
Really not a concern. You can try and wiggle away from them if you really want but that introduces volatility
Tell your healer to kick
no healers have kicks except one iirc
i hate casters in keys tho
caster mobs, can never pull em properly
i think most kicks for dps (or tanks) should be dps increase
Just dont pull more than your groups ability to deal with them thats all
they are in packs, and are often left behind
for me its any kind of archer i hate the most
cuz its auto attack but at range
and then you get close and they run away
so stupid
You just need to los them
if you go farther down that steep
i think they run towards you
i think they should take out dagger or punch when you get too close
demon hunter has a dps increase for kick
just LOS
never stun
and kind of you have it on warrior but its not worth taking lol
we have like 3-4 interrupts already
actually technically 5
Also most pugs aren't using anything to indicate wtf to kick or prio
The joke is they should have picked their group better smh
i forgot
you forgot it was a joke?
quit yapping in here and tank this 18 PoS
craven
im having dinner and need to run 5 more keys for lil bro
Any good YouTuber doing prot guides for a zug dps smootbrain?
topicx
he has a commentary on every m+ dungeon
ahh nvm
learn to read and go through the icy veins guide
unfort if you dont know how to read though
but i believe in you
tanking might be too much for smoothbrains tho
idk man im pretty smooth brained mysefl
i just get anxious trying to determine if I can pull large or not
That’s the joke 💙
yh sry flew over my head
true
as an hpal, i disagree
check your team, if they can handle it or not
but you don’t wanna keep bricking keys
more stacking consecrations with judgment and SotR spam
Don't worry. Give it a couple expansions and they'll be back. Not the first time they've taken them
why not, its good reps
Holy priests cry
I think they should ONLY give hpriest a kick
Disc never had one either
better to finish them tbh
switch to monk ez
sure?
or hpal
no
what does it matter
The answer is always to switch to anything but priest if you want control
Based and mousepilled
that is true
i have no idea what they can handle, but im doing like 10-12 lol
just keep doing keys, and also what you can handle too
10-12 is great
don’t wanna be an alcoholic
i did MC yesterday and I was barely handling some big pulls, turns out it was a 12 instead of 10 lol
My homies never say the key number outloud.
Just put it in
that first pull is rly hard
yea and i keep forgetting about the 2 mob patrol
Also you can leave the bears out if you want
by far scariest pull in whole dungeon imo
put +10 in the group finder then just slam it in the strat
spell reflecting the last boss feels good tho
Hi gang, how much does prot warr kite in high keys (17+)
how much are you kiting in AA?
you dont
Awesome, ty
we face death like a true warrior
them lashers be on yo heels gl kiting
thats not kiting
reset and pray healer pump tf outta you
you dwarf one, you leap at <5s, if dps hasnt killed a big lasher by then youre in a shit group and need to go next
i dont know why dps wouldnt focus the big lashers but I have seen it
I was just called a trash tank by melee who had sub 15 kicks and did 100k overall in a 16
I’m so proud
i suppose you could also intercept someone
Because prio is not big dam
Marl!!!!
i guess i win
how many dungeons are you doing per week?
unless ur ret with Execution sentence on the big lasher 
do you guys have a weekly 10-12 key talent build for max dmg
You could look on warcraft logs
anyone have youtuber recommendations or vids on how to play warrior thats updated?
i'm a visual learner,
to do keys/raids we have a few
these are not "how to play" prot warriors
these are high ranked content warriors
you want a guide, you go to icy-veins
I dig Topicx’s vids. They’ve been helpful here for pulls and such along with talent builds.
i'll check them out. i'm just super new to wow as i've said before, finally capping out weekly for the most part on stuff i want to do on my monk so i want to play a new tank and been trying warrior
struggling though.
He was doing 1/4 apex for a bit before going the full 4/4 since the 5% damage reduction has been helpful in higher keys
get the rotation down and if you still having issues you can record logs and people can look at them, and give you pointers
i have so many spells but dont feel like i'm supposed to use any of them per the guide
if im reading right
my mom says i'm IA tho
so idk
wut?
intensive autism
ah cool
wat dat
Rend and Whirlwind don't need to be on your bars
didnt rend get buffed?
Thunderclap for rend needs
I do but that's just me.
Zero use to have rend or whirlwind on your bars
I know this has been probably answered 100 times
maybe 1000
but where are we spending our bonus rolls in m+
If im fresh AF 90 what is the best spot to start dropping rolls
Appreciate you but I ain't raiding mythic my friend 😄
run droptimizer
whatever dungeon has the most loot, you target
so if you get unlucky getting something good, you at least get an upgrade
When you guys are in AA what dragon buff do you guys get? Green or Bronze?
haste always
Bet. Much appreciated
I take the vers 
thats the dragonflight buff for AA
go haste
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
How much haste is needed to have shield block 10 secs cd?
60%
not obtainable
sure
ok let's blast
finishing skyreach
whats the warrior buff for aoe?
never doing ES in shit keys again
8% overall
we were about to turn the boss around on the frontal LOL
literally JUST brought that up in the MC and then you do it again
i also am an ES hater after 30s




