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lusty grotto
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🤷‍♂️

pastel summit
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The one right behind where you start? That prevents you from running directly to first boss platform?

autumn heron
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Like.. the one right behind you, the one that Cuts you off fromn the stairs

lusty grotto
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this is skyhold not peak

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who gives a shit what brew does

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i know what the "fence" is

trim bay
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roll into traffic i hope

autumn heron
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I dont care what Brews do, im just curious if WE can do that

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Birbs tend to knock off players that dont pay attention. Ofc, player issue, but still

narrow jay
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No we cant we are warriors zug zug we dont get cool tricks :p

orchid mural
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god forbid they make us the first lust tank

narrow jay
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Im tired of using drums cause most of my friends and guildies dont play a lust class

autumn heron
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Well, we got hunters that yell at you for BL. I dont see a Single reason why warriors cant

narrow jay
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All tanks should have lust take it away from the dps you build your raid or key groups around lust so jsut give it to tanks so you always have it open up more comps

trim bay
undone beacon
autumn heron
lusty grotto
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good job

undone beacon
autumn heron
undone beacon
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Primal rage doesnt have a cool description tho :(

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autumn heron
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It has a cool name tho

sharp gale
autumn heron
sharp gale
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You just racial in the corner, do the tour and racial again

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Or have a warlock

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Or evoker stone ? Im not familiar with this thing

undone beacon
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but if you're a velf you're not a dwarf and then its LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do AA sorry

autumn heron
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Hmmm... might be an idea. Its a tight timer tho

sharp gale
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Kinda weird when you can just, not do that and stop the other side of the fence for exact same result

autumn heron
lusty grotto
frosty mango
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I gather, leap to start, then lock gate back

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skyreach as a key is poop

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no me gusta

lusty grotto
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its 100% dogshit

undone beacon
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its a great vault key

lusty grotto
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who in their right mind would think running through wind is good for m+

undone beacon
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Blizz loves stupid minigames in their M+ dungeons

lusty grotto
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yeah i dont get it

undone beacon
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Remember in Murzond's Rise the stupid time running thing after Tyr

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Or the entire Darkflame Cleft minecart section

lusty grotto
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of course

frosty mango
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but murozonds was terrible

autumn heron
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Soon in dungeons:
Move orbs to solve puzzle
Which cogwheel turns the other way
Match 3 to open doors

undone beacon
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Wheeee we have to babysit a minecart or deal 0 damage and then sit in a minecart for like a minute throwing tnt at a boss for rp

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Wheee we have to find the spy at the party to progress the dungeon wheeee

frosty mango
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I would love a m+ dungeon that broke into 3 parts and each role had to do their own path before meeting back up

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It would be miserable

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but the tears would be incredible

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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oh

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you mean like

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an extended primal tsunami for the entire dungeon?

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good HoI times

frosty mango
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yes but with mechanics specific to role

undone beacon
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Halls of Infusion my beloved

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Spell Reflect on the last boss made that whole shitshow worth it to me

frosty mango
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and then each lane needs to trigger something to make the other lane go

undone beacon
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Murder Row will be fun with the lounge minigame

lusty grotto
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roid why are you bringing crystal tower to m+

frosty mango
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like tank lane needs to tank a mob that is a ghost in the other lane and if they dont tank it the ghost goes nuts

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nah thats just stand on button thats no mechanics

lusty grotto
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i fucking hate crystal tower

frosty mango
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everyone hates CT

lusty grotto
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i hate people that used to ilvl drop to get it even more

frosty mango
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are you still playing?

lusty grotto
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nah but i gotta hop on some time to finish the story

frosty mango
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I'll prob resub next month, check out the new tier, wrap up story before new exp

undone beacon
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Can we have Siege of Niuzao Temple as M+

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I wanna throw amber bombs

lusty grotto
frosty mango
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it would be hilarious

undone beacon
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I woulda put seat on there in the past but seat is fine now tbh

frosty mango
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just the devs saying "you'll take your shit sandwich and you'll like it

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every key with 6 mins of rp

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they changed seat a lot tho

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made it very w key

lusty grotto
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i was active up to Cruiserweight ngl

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in xiv

frosty mango
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I did all the savages

lusty grotto
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i just dropped it cause i had too many games to play

frosty mango
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didnt do new ex

lusty grotto
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when heavyweight came out

frosty mango
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and honestly I got tired of healing

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will def not be heal main in evercold

undone beacon
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I want a season of Tol'dagor, Grimrail Depot, Halls of Reflection, Black Morass, Nokhud, Siege of Niuzao Temple, Zul'Gurub, and Culling of Stratholme peepo

lusty grotto
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pash

undone beacon
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Nim

lusty grotto
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tonight is prog night right?

frosty mango
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what if we got revamped troll season, with all troll dungeons

undone beacon
lusty grotto
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aight

frosty mango
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zg, za, tot, gundrak, zf

undone beacon
frosty mango
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but i mean if you think about it, zg is basically de other side

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a big circle with a boss in the middle

undone beacon
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Next season will be King's Rest, Zul'Aman, Gundrak, De Other Side, and the rest of midnight's lineup (Blinding Vale, Voidscar, Den, and Murder Row)

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Easy

frosty mango
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not looking forward to murder row

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it may be the most hated dungeon ever created

undone beacon
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I don't hate murder row, but i can see them messing with it a lot before the season

frosty mango
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the layout is stupid, theres too much RP, and way too much z axis bullshit going on

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it will be a show

balmy narwhal
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what is the kite techning for first pull of AA

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Do you just heroic leap out

frosty mango
pastel summit
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If it's gonna result in stacks falling off, sure.

frosty mango
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i really want to see more classic dungeons reworked for m+

lusty grotto
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if they do it well, like grim batol

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im all for it

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but it has been pretty hit or miss so far

frosty mango
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I mean like classic classic

lusty grotto
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right, but the "do it well" still applies

undone beacon
frosty mango
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gross spires

lusty grotto
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DoS is dogshit

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what are you talking about

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it had ONE wing that was fun

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long as fuck

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nobody wants it back, we did it way too much

frosty mango
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I did not like DoS too much, but didnt think it was awful

lusty grotto
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thats not a tank specific opinion

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it was TOO LONG

frosty mango
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TBH i think the best dungeons theyve ever done are all the SL dungeons

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All of the SL dungeons were designed really well for M+

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except SoA

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even then it played well for m+

lusty grotto
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im trying to get off the BFA bias but

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maybe

frosty mango
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SL as a whole was miserable for lore and just cohesion but lets be honest, the raids and the dungeons were made exceptionally well

lusty grotto
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BFA seasons were peak M+

frosty mango
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its the only time they really tried to innovate in dungeons and I thought they nailed it

lusty grotto
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but there's also a lot of janky shit that would not fly nowadays like snapping everywhere

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which was fun back then at least imo

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but wouldn't really sit right now, and blizzard is obviously very opposed to it

undone beacon
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SL dungeons were alright. Sanguine Depths felt like hell every time

frosty mango
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the kits of the classes are much better and (as much as I hate to say it) it's generally understood that stops/cc are important

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I don't think that was really well engrained in the playerbase in SL

undone beacon
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Sure, but I also hated the bosses in there

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Especially second boss

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Stupid circle room motherfucker

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I liked Plaguefall tho

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I'd do that again

lusty grotto
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honestly i dont disagree with roid

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but there's a lot of things that made it feel bad

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outside of dungeon design

errant wagon
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Does the punish talent, (15% more SS damage) effect phalanx?
In logs phalanx shows up as a seperate line so I'm wondering how that interacts

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lusty grotto
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so its hard to think about on a vacuum

lusty grotto
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multiplicative

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oh wait i misread

errant wagon
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not sure I'm smart enough to understand lol

lusty grotto
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yes punish damage amp is applied

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but only to SS

errant wagon
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just trying to do napkin math. If I took off the punish talent, does that 15% apply to that phalanx line as well

lusty grotto
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let me confirm, cause i have sim testing in my head

errant wagon
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cool tyty

lusty grotto
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why would you want to remove punish

frosty mango
lusty grotto
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its free DR

lusty grotto
frosty mango
errant wagon
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just playing around with talents, I see at the high end it's the wild west and everyone is playing many different builds.

I see the appeal of taking it off and going to Bloodsurge + Bloodborne. the 3% stacking DR on a single target is cool but I just wanted to toy around with more rage + more bleed healing

undone beacon
lusty grotto
errant wagon
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see plenty of 20's and 21's being timed without punish so idk, just playing around.

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I just wanted to know 😛

frosty mango
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and thats more true the higher you climb

errant wagon
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i'm aware guys i push title each season I'm just having some fun

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just curious how the talent works lol

lusty grotto
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VO affects phalanx

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so naturally punish would as well

errant wagon
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gotcha, ye that's a big loss then

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ty for checking

lusty grotto
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let me run a quick sim

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not running punish is a 3k dps loss

errant wagon
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i meaaaaan... not the end of the world.
Could see the swap maybe being good in a dungeon where there isn't a single big threat.

lusty grotto
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but it does look like it does not affect phalanx at least in the sims

errant wagon
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interesting

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funny how outburst does but that doesn't

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appreciate you checking

lusty grotto
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idk i wouldnt drop DR for anything

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especially in high keys

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nothing you gain from removing DR is as defensively powerful

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rage gain, whatever else sure as hell isnt

pastel summit
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Wish prot had a few more points. sadge

lusty grotto
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yeah outburst does not affect it either, i was wrong

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just dummy variance in game

errant wagon
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yea the prot tree is so hard to play with

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pidgeon holed into a bunch of paths

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There's a chinese player pushing super high with colossuses and he does the jump from punish, understandably. I just tried his build in an 18 and I didn't die but... didn't really feel any different lol

tribal wharf
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done with earnable myth crest now

daring marlin
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for the week

pastel summit
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Doing so many vault keys for little friends I'm getting marl.

tribal wharf
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im basically there

frosty mango
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I can see colossus being a play there

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Also the shockwave knock up being extremely high value in high keys

errant wagon
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It's cool to see. I personally love colossus

frosty mango
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I dunno why my phone capitalized Chinese Strats

hot jolt
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Question, since I see different answers on different places. What's the stat priority for Protection?

lusty grotto
hot jolt
lusty grotto
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raidbots

hot jolt
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kk, much appreciated

tribal wharf
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okay, i have seat gloves now

errant wagon
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is there a perfect haste breakpoint for playing ITF and 100% shieldblock uptime? does that exist

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or will there always be some amount of downtime

lusty grotto
pastel summit
chrome hull
errant wagon
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oh you mean THESE gloves ? 😉

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pastel summit
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So pretty.

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Dwarf avatar.

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Pretend fox. Hydrate

tribal wharf
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only need 10 hero crest (locked) and 1 catalyst

lunar haven
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Anyone have a list of good stoneform usecases?

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AA lasher pull I know

narrow slate
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AA lasher pull is what keeps me up at night

lunar haven
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same bro

dawn lintel
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I did it mom

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autumn heron
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Im proud of u son

marsh tiger
# lunar haven Anyone have a list of good stoneform usecases?

Nexus point curse
MC mammoth bleeds
MC 1st boss bleed + disease
MC shade magic debuff
AA bird boss bleed
AA bird boss trash
AA lashers
SR bladetalon bleed
MT last boss debuff
WS bleeds before orc boss
WS lynx?
PoS disease debuff stacks
I might be missing some but thats all I remember off the top of my head

lunar haven
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Thanks!

tame jasper
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What I ask myself about the upcoming item upgrades: When I upgrade Weapon A can I then also upgrade weapon B like in the regular upgrade system, cause I unlocked the upgrade track or is it a single-item upgrade like an enchant which is gone after you use it. Latter would be bad, cause then ppl hold the items until they get their best items /the ppl are lucky where the best item drops esrly in raid

high root
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hey Prot bros, that tank in my magisters terrace didnt tank the third boss (jellyfish) next to his adds. question: does the main jellyfish and his adds all share a healthpool so cleaving would kill the boss faster or am i trippin?

undone beacon
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All jellies share HP. Keeping the main one with at least one other is def a damage boost for the fight

high root
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:/

undone beacon
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Esp if you dont have spread cleave like spriest

high root
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i didnt call him out because im a lowly dps and didnt want to activate Enrage on the tank

undone beacon
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lmao

high root
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ty for the info

undone beacon
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Good thing to mention at the end as a "hey you can do this :)"

high root
opal ledge
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hey i think i might be doing something wrong...
what is the prio on thunder blast vs shield slam?

undone beacon
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Don’t over-complicate it. If you have two charges of TB and SS up, sent a charge of TB to not overcap. You can try and minmax optimize it pepega style but just send them

dawn lintel
autumn heron
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Zugzug

fringe mural
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Just imagine a 'tb when 2 tb stacks or when 1 stack but no active tb debuff on target>ss when no active phalanx on target>tb with 5+ targets>ss' prio without weakauras 😄

opal ledge
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i miss weak auras

frosty mango
fringe mural
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Perfect

opal ledge
frosty mango
opal ledge
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i'm not an orc maybe thats it

frosty mango
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Definitely it

ionic fern
winged zenith
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We GG prot is dead on 19+ keys rolling to arms next week

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Not a single group want pro war on high keys same for all tanks except monk

ionic fern
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Enjoy arms.

timid wigeon
winged zenith
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Just go see EU title range only 1 prot war there. No one inviting prot on high keys

opal ledge
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cuz prot dmg is too low

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this buff will not be enough

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i tested a build with execute talents... and... its like 2% overall lol

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they need to buff execute like 200% to be worth it

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at least

winged zenith
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Its not about damage honestly its about survivability on high keys

opal ledge
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prot kinda can survive, is not that bad, its way better than the other tanks, expect from monk

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but... druid is becoming monk 2.0 next patch

pastel geyser
opal ledge
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the thrash buff on +200% will give it too much dmg and sustain

pastel geyser
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also actually easier to heal than war cuz it takes less dmg overall and has lots of self sustain

winged zenith
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Yea that why I said prot is dead its fine below 18

pastel geyser
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they shouldve buffed survivabilty of all tanks to be closer to monk

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but ofc they didnt do that and just gave out random dmg buffs and 3% armor

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to other tanks

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while lightly nerfing brew

opal ledge
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thats not true, monk takes more overall dmg

timid wigeon
drowsy comet
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Whoop whoop

pastel geyser
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3? 4x ?

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  • stagger is insane when dealing with dot dmg
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which just nukes warrior

timid wigeon
opal ledge
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the ehrps on monk is higher, it's kinda easier too heal cuz it spreads the damage, so there is no ping pong in his life

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war is just not being played cuz of the damage

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it can be like 30% less damage

timid wigeon
pastel geyser
timid wigeon
pastel geyser
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u are legit deleting a lot of the damage u take via purrifying brew

opal ledge
timid wigeon
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brew takes 35%-40% healing from healers, prot wars needs around 28-30%

winged zenith
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It doesnt matter monk can survive what prot cant

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End of discussions prot is dead

opal ledge
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what you cant survive?

pastel geyser
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so like 8% more healing on avg

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while they take double dmg?

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enough said lol

timid wigeon
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there is no mechanics in the game that can kill prot war but doesn't kill any other tank

pastel geyser
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prot wont survive 21-22 or no one is willing to try currently at least

opal ledge
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i think it's more about the dmg, on 21-22 we need that dmg, thats the issue

pastel geyser
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algethar first pull plants bleed will kill a prot war

opal ledge
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21 is on time limit, you can't throw 30k dps away

pastel geyser
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but not monk

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they can face tank that shit no issue

opal ledge
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idk... i think war takes it pretty well

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we got dmg reduction on the bleed

pastel geyser
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do we now

opal ledge
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from def stance

timid wigeon
pastel geyser
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bear is just insane dps i feel like

ionic fern
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Been like that since forever.

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Everywhere.

pastel geyser
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while being quite tanky too, but bear needs perfect play to survive such high keys

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monk doesnt

opal ledge
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it's just that our dps is too low

timid wigeon
pastel geyser
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well its about both

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i always thought prot war deals more overall than monk

timid wigeon
ionic fern
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Rank 46 tank is a warrior,idk

pastel geyser
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how would colo have more dmg

opal ledge
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monk is doing like 30 to 40 extra dps

pastel geyser
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didnt MT just get a pretty big buff

opal ledge
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30% to 40%
and we got a 6% buff

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bear no apex got a 45% buff 😄

timid wigeon
pastel geyser
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78k dps? what the fk

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that seems wildly low

opal ledge
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this is not accurate, cuz its 110k parses vs 3k parse...

pastel geyser
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monk too 33k vs 440K lol

opal ledge
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the colossus dmg and thane are kinda the same

pastel geyser
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what does tree% even mean

timid wigeon
opal ledge
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i wonder what happened on that key that a colossus made so much dmg

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the statics does not take into account that people who stuck to colossus know what their are doing.

pastel geyser
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constantly pulling like 5 packs prob

opal ledge
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if you check the high parses vs the average you will see its pretty close

pastel geyser
opal ledge
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but this one colosus parse, i have no idea

pastel geyser
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its like saying colossus is better than thane cuz it has a massive outlier in 1 key

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that is skewing the %

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and the total avg

opal ledge
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lol that guy, just spammed revenge

ionic fern
unkempt hazel
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bro is vengeance

winged zenith
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Beside damage current meta healer is druid which doesn’t have spot healing for healing prot

pastel geyser
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Wtf is that haha

winged zenith
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They just hot brew and be done with it

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We are totally healer dependent

timid wigeon
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I've played with some disc priest and I felt safer with this 2nd worst healer than meta druid

opal ledge
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i will test that build

winged zenith
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Rdruid nerf is so small it will still be meta healer

opal ledge
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i just dont know the shenanigan, how to spam that much revenge

timid wigeon
winged zenith
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It was already 10% ahead of others

pastel geyser
opal ledge
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i like monk and shaman

winged zenith
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Ask any druid all of them will say prefer healing monk than prot

pastel geyser
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I gotta try this

winged zenith
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Not rdruid but every healer spec in the game

pastel geyser
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Ofc cuz monk is perfect for druid healing over time

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Couples perfect with stagger

timid wigeon
opal ledge
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we need a 15% aura buff

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or a 10% aura and some other buffs

pastel geyser
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Defensive buffs

winged zenith
timid wigeon
opal ledge
naive ravine
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Another argument to support the need of dmg in high keys is yoda on his prot pala, he said multiple times that he plays crit wings + Puzzel box in his 20 keys to get the dmg to time the key

winged zenith
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Ez to reset details before going into pull

naive ravine
opal ledge
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SO KEY was really bad

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but

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dmg was kinda good

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i even died once

pastel geyser
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were u boosting the casters? or

opal ledge
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i just joined a 12

pastel geyser
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such low dps on pit of saron is embarassing

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still.. lol

opal ledge
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to test the build

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they died a lot

pastel geyser
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is this the revenge build?

opal ledge
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yes

pastel geyser
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how does it feel

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funny? :D

opal ledge
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not that funny, is kinda squish

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i got it

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the build don't play disrupting shout lol

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thats why we died, i tought i had it

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this is the build
CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0yAAAzMjZmZmZGzmxsMjxY0YmZGLzMzMDDzMAAAAYZAYGDAsZGDLwAzwCNmZBmhZwsMAAzMAgBYA

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i will try a more defensive one now

pastel geyser
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i mean u can prob take off bloodborne and bloodsurge no

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or though as nails

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to go for disrupting and BSV

ionic fern
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Remove st revenge

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In m+.

opal ledge
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tought as nail is the best dmg talent i think

high gyro
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Do you have a link to a video of non-dwarf prot War successfully managing the first pull of AA?

opal ledge
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cuz plant died fast

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1 lasher has to die thats it

lofty glen
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otherwise tell your heal where to stay and leap out/kite after 4/5 stacks

naive ravine
fringe venture
# high gyro Do you have a link to a video of non-dwarf prot War successfully managing the fi...

I'm a troll and can manage It if the dps Is good and kill fast but doing a lot of kiting and also with a bit of overheal, but must kite at 4-5 stacks Max, if the dps Is good, 1 leap IS being enough for me and then just some backpad kite, I use to do that pull moving back. Anyways it Is a really hard pull, sometimes I rather to Split It but usually the pugs want It Big, I know what to do there but if the dps Is low, ur dead

urban sonnet
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good morning

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wich macro u use with tank ?

naive ravine
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Focus kick and set focus

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Leap @cursor

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Mouseover taunt

opal ledge
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yeah the build kinda work to farm parse

oak ivy
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key parses 😭

viscid rivet
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hey all, Im a newbie prot warrior and I struggle with mobs deleting my hp in higher keys 1-2s into a pull sometimes.. I usually try to charge -> shield slam -> shield block, but it seems that within that 1GCD between shield slam and shield block sometimes I can get 50%+ of my HP deleted or more... is there a way I can get shield block off earlier?

oak ivy
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Shield charge

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or roll from pull to pull without leaving time for it to drop

viscid rivet
# oak ivy Shield charge

I guess I shouldve mention that its for times when I dont have shield charge up 🙁 ... or is it just a rule of thumb that never start pulls without shield charge?

opal ledge
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you can surive 1 gcd

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in those cases

oak ivy
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If you dont have shield charge you may want to consider starting the pull with shield wall active, to smooth out that initial bit of damage, but also what petri said

opal ledge
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a charge will not get all mobs on you that fast

unkempt hazel
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more often than not u should have some spare rage from previous pulls

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as for the first big pulls its not uncommon to start with shield wall before u get ur stuff rolling

rotund lily
viscid rivet
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good point, I might be forgetting to just shield wall instead

unkempt hazel
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dont treat it as an oh shit button and end up never using it entire run

rotund lily
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Yeah i like to use it to get enough time to get some ignore pain rolling

viscid rivet
#

Im just gonna say that playing prot warrior this season coming from a brewmaster feels like a totally separate game. I almost never saw my hp go below 50% as monk with far less ilvls and on much higher keys. with MUCH lower effort LOL

rotund lily
#

You should be planning ahead where to use it

unkempt hazel
#

well that cuz brew has a lot of upfront tankines unlike most tanks rn, on top of other tanks just being undertuned

rotund lily
unkempt hazel
#

apparently stagger can only be either buster or useless

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😔

rotund lily
#

Apm required for prot is also insane

opal ledge
#

so apparently blizz is looking on logs, and this stupid revenge build make it look like prot war can put dmg in, is that it?

unkempt hazel
#

also true, my wrists aint built for warr no more

rotund lily
#

They have their own metrics and they do changes that upset the least amount of people imo

rotund lily
static sand
#

Hello, is there anyway i can find the ignore pain in bar like we used to have with wa now ? or it's doom ?

oak ivy
winged zenith
#

You dont jump in m+

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Jumping is for open world

opal ledge
#

the highest dps on a terrace 10, 125k... made without rend... what?

image.png
woven knoll
#

What should I drop to get Tough as Nails if I want to stay on Battle-Scarred Veteran?

image.png
#

Bloodsurge?

jagged pier
#

Yes

rotund lily
#

i usually put filler spells in spacebar

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very easy to spam

harsh trellis
jagged pier
#

right now its the same as thane

#

on reset it will be worse agian

harsh trellis
#

it really doesn't feel that way at all though

#

I tried it in a couple keys and just went back to thane

#

So next week it will be worse after reset??

sick shell
#

thane is getting a buff, colossus isnt changing

harsh trellis
#

Oh snap. I've been on vacation (brewmaster) all weekend I missed out on the news.

sweet egret
harsh trellis
#

I dont think its the knocking up. its the lower time on reset

#

could be wrong though

jagged pier
#

the knockup used to be good because mobs got DR'd and knockup didnt do that

sweet egret
jagged pier
#

but now theres no dr that factor isnt as big

pastel geyser
#

theres no dr what?

#

did they change it ? i notice the same behaviour with stuns overall

jagged pier
#

they removed it from the game for mobs

naive ravine
#

Huh

frosty mango
#

It still drs but it never hits zero so they can always be used as a stop

naive ravine
#

So my stormbolt lasting 0,5 sec was only in my head?

jagged pier
#

the whole purpose of stuns etc is to stop

naive ravine
#

Ah

jagged pier
#

dont matter if its 5 second or a 1 second

#

it still a stop

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and now it doesnt cap after 3

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u can just send endlessly

naive ravine
#

It still matters lol

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Why would you send stuns instead of just interrupts (blind etc) when dr is still a thing

frosty mango
#

The shockwave knock up stops mobs that are moving and it can be useful for some shit, though this season there’s not much application

jagged pier
#

stuns stops mobs from moving?

frosty mango
#

I’ve only noticed one place this season (seat first boss) but I’m sure the giga galaxy brain gamers have others

frosty mango
jagged pier
#

yer

naive ravine
#

Stuns also do that?

jagged pier
#

so do knockups and knock downs

frosty mango
#

Ie suck ins etc

naive ravine
#

First boss seat stuns work on the suck?

frosty mango
#

Like I said not much use this season

frosty mango
naive ravine
#

They stop, for 0,5 sec

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Palas always stun the mobs for 5 seconds and they dont move

heavy sparrow
#

Bringing my crit to around 22% brought up my survivability immensely holy man

naive ravine
#

How come

heavy sparrow
#

I guess the party chance comes around a bit

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Hung around at 18.50% and switched a haste ring for a crit one to 22% crit chance and it's helped out so much

#

What a difference in mitigation

jagged pier
#

thats really not going to make a difference, surivibility comes from play, team etc

#

it mostly your healer was probably better

naive ravine
#

Yeah healer changes a lot

tribal wharf
#

its usually pretty apparent if healer isnt good

#

everyone takes longer to be healed in general, mana issues

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to name just 2 issue

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what i will say about healers if there is 2 of them i dont prefer it is priest and dragon

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dragon short range heals requirement, and priest is negative armor values, so it dies instantly

unkempt hazel
#

holy paladin: what mana issues

tribal wharf
#

though paladin is slow to heal times, it does have strong heals and strong group tools, + external brez

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shaman has lust and totems which is nice, and main reason for i like mist healer is cocoon is insane

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pretty much a "this person doesnt die" button

unkempt hazel
#

after playing hpala playing mw felt so weird

tribal wharf
#

rdruid, meh whatever, but it has brez and can shapeshift into melee/magic dps

unkempt hazel
#

I have to put too much trust into heals from dpsing

tribal wharf
#

as long as the healer isnt complete dog shit, i dont really care

#

hence i dont play healers

unkempt hazel
#

I think the game wants me to play my hpala

#

gaze first bonus roll, dragon trinket first try

harsh trellis
#

I hate paladin heals in big pulls

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Had lots of luck with priest, druid, and monk

tribal wharf
#

paladin has gives me movement

unkempt hazel
#

maybe ur palas arent popping wings?

tribal wharf
#

which i highly value personally

unkempt hazel
#

or relying too much on procs

#

sometimes a lil holy light spam can rly save the day

tribal wharf
#

its hard to explain it but i like games that are like, folding multplicative increases in power best

#

EG

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im batman, and i go around punching people and then i get bat fists and they let me deal x2 dmg

unkempt hazel
#

🤔

tribal wharf
#

and then the next upgrade i get is x3 dmg and x4

#

as opposed to

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+10% dmg on shotguns

unkempt hazel
#

lol

tribal wharf
#

when im playing doom

unkempt hazel
#

I gave fall of avalon a go the other day, had a similar experience

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was using some sword doing 20 dmg on average, next sword I found was like 60 dmg

tribal wharf
#

it stops me from wanting to do alot of things in wow, when i go to play it and i look at my talents and one of my option is "you take 3% less dmg from magic attacks"

unkempt hazel
#

just trippled my dmg output cuz why not

tribal wharf
#

its like, well, thats going to change fuck all for me

crisp ocean
#

what’s the easiest healer to learn

unkempt hazel
#

prolly shaman?

crisp ocean
#

also DH devourer looks fun as hell

unkempt hazel
#

or pala idk

crisp ocean
naive ravine
#

Yeah mw

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You spin on aoe pulls

unkempt hazel
#

ah yeah, currently ig

tribal wharf
#

lots of shamans going around too

unkempt hazel
#

it used to be pretty complicated

naive ravine
#

And bosses is the hard part

unkempt hazel
#

but from every run I've seen

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if its 5 targets

#

literally just spin

#

nothing else

crisp ocean
naive ravine
#

The better question instead is, which healer doesnt really need your group to play a certain way

unkempt hazel
#

what bugs me about mw

#

as brew enjoyer

crisp ocean
naive ravine
#

Shaman in pugs can be awful when playing with ranges standin 50 million miles away

#

Ywah same for restro druid

unkempt hazel
#

is that as brew bok empowers tp, while for mw its the other way around

#

thing messes with my brain

crisp ocean
#

oh nvm

unkempt hazel
#

with paladin u also benefit from ppl standing closer

naive ravine
unkempt hazel
#

not as much sure

#

but its still there

naive ravine
#

You get mastery based on the distance towards your beacons

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So one beacon on ranges and one melee

unkempt hazel
#

oh rly?

naive ravine
#

And you get max mastery

unkempt hazel
#

well sheet I didnt know

naive ravine
unkempt hazel
#

imagine reading my talents

#

lol

#

how does it work for you tho

naive ravine
#

Thats why palas go for haste mastery in basically all content

unkempt hazel
#

like when im healing the beacon

naive ravine
#

I would imagine they get 100% mastery benefit

unkempt hazel
#

sheesh

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nvm then ig

#

I mean I'm a pro holy paladin trust

#

like this one spire run

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where I kept giving everyone MASSIVE mount speed on vora dmg amps

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I was like we got all auras might as well use crusader just cuz, forgot aura mastery depends on which one im using

crisp ocean
quartz sinew
#

best stat weights for M+?

naive ravine
quartz sinew
naive ravine
#

Its the only real awnser

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And if u want a general stat direction you can legit just do 5 clicks and get that on your own

#

Check out the icy veins guide

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Its good

quartz sinew
#

Thank you, Seep

naive ravine
#

No problem, Rando

solid sun
#

Reddit just keeps churning out posts about tanking

harsh trellis
#

Well it just needs to get really loud and squeaky before change

solid sun
#

This one is about how if brewmaster gets nerfed tanking will be awful because brewmasters are the only tank with the defensive kit to handle high keys

plush tendon
#

If people are expecting any major changes this season... I hate to burst their bubble, but that aint happening

plush tendon
#

but, for some reason, this whole expansion people have been qqing about tank balance, tank "shortage", tank responsibility

harsh trellis
#

Its just a brewmaster shortage for higher keys thats all

plush tendon
#

I dont think there is any shortage of tanks at higher keys

#

and what are we describing higher keys?

harsh trellis
#

There's not. Its just decline after decline at the 16 level

#

16+ best of luck getting into those keys.

#

I just pug and push my 15 otherwise its decline after decline.

plush tendon
#

if people are declining non brews to a 16.... they have actual brain damage

harsh trellis
#

I will say though that brewmaster is sooooooo chill to play

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Shit I worry about when I play prot is a non issue with brew

plush tendon
#

yea, people who play it say they enjoy it

ivory barn
#

I can't seem to play a class that doesn't have a shield offspec

harsh trellis
plush tendon
#

yea, Brew aint a hard tank to play; its just not a class for me

ivory barn
#

It's probably changed a lot since WoD/Legion that's the last time I touched a monk

harsh trellis
#

Yes... im with you

#

Yep it has

plush tendon
#

but if you are really serious about pushing the top end of M+ as a tank, you should play Brew

ivory barn
#

3k and 3400 are fine on any spec

plush tendon
#

for the other 99.99% of us, they gotta focus on getting good at their chosen class first XD

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before picking up a new one

harsh trellis
#

My goal is 3400 on my war. Then I am done pushing keys this season.

plush tendon
#

fun change of pace; ill make my friend tank instead

harsh trellis
#

I was going to swap to arms after 3400

#

I hear arms is having fun now lol

plush tendon
#

arms and fury look like fun

ivory barn
plush tendon
#

I call cap

#

Im pugging into 10-12 insta on all my tanks and I literally only just hit 3k IO

harsh trellis
#

12s doesn't seem like a lockout level

#

Are you 11s at least on the other keys?

ivory barn
#

I have 3 10's left

harsh trellis
#

Whenever I get declined I make sure I have all of the keys timed at thr level below the key i want to queue for

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So like I have all my 15s done

plush tendon
#

though, I may be getting by cause I have mythic raid prog

harsh trellis
#

I would focus on getting the 10s you dont have timed first

plush tendon
#

people might assume I just cant be bothered to push IO

ivory barn
#

It probably wasn't 45m but it sure felt like it

harsh trellis
#

I know it feels like choring

plush tendon
#

whos getting their Myth Crest achievement next week?

#

I cant wait to turbo send crests on my alts at a discount

harsh trellis
#

Oh dont you want to do that on an alt first if you can

plush tendon
#

it wouldnt be possible

#

my main war is getting raid loot

harsh trellis
#

Doesn't that help your main use half the crests or something

plush tendon
#

with like 3/6, 4/6 items

#

but, I have strategically chosen slots

#

like my DK has two 289 trinkets where my war doesnt

#

so my War will get discounts

#

same on some other toons

harsh trellis
#

Ohhhhh its warband slot linked?

plush tendon
#

yea

harsh trellis
#

Kick butt

plush tendon
#

At least, thats how it worked in War Within

#

will get my main warrior to like 287 I level

#

then Im basically saving all rerolls for Xenas point (once I send my next two on Belo)

#

but its gonna be a hype reset tomorrow

#

and Im so pumped for it

harsh trellis
#

I need a gaze badly

plush tendon
#

how are the pug Chim groups?

#

every single one Ive joined has been a legit shit show

#

so Ive just given up on my alts; Ill get them in on reclear

undone beacon
#

I missed a week on my main and tried to pug chim and it was miserable

#

You either get a solid group that does it in like 4-6 pulls, or you never see the first intermission

plush tendon
#

that boss should be piss easy

#

I swear its people not understanding the swap mechanic

#

actually infuriating; especially when I do it with my guild, we are saccing the tank on the first soak in the second P1

#

and Im like 'omg! boss so ez now'

#

and then i join a pug and its like im on the beaches of Normandy

undone beacon
#

It’s not even the rift madness that trips people up it’s the basic notion of staying on your side

#

Yeah sometimes I get frustrated with my raid and then i am reminded that at the end of the day, we are FAR from bad

#

I’ve seen bad lmao

plush tendon
#

contrary to popular belief... it does in fact get worse

naive ravine
#

It always gets worth

#

Did some +2s on alts for fun and saw some ppl sending bonus rolls on +2

undone beacon
#

We’re on LBV and should have it killed next week. Had some issues with our healers ignoring the raid plan and sending CDs whenever they felt like it

undone beacon
plush tendon
plush tendon
naive ravine
#

They got hero stuff

undone beacon
#

We have to keep reminding people that parses on prog wipes do not matter keks

plush tendon
#

but, cant you just grind delve prog and buy hero loot?

#

I feel like thats 100% the way to get a new toon geared

naive ravine
#

Play your own key

plush tendon
#

if playing solo and cant get carried through 10s the minute you hit 90

naive ravine
#

Ppl cant leave once they notice you having shit gear

plush tendon
#

if I wasnt tanking.... I dont think I could sit through a +2

naive ravine
#

Its not that bad

plush tendon
#

I might just be infuriated

#

heck, there was one guy in my guild when we did weekly 10s he would legit piss me the fuck off

#

of how bad he was at pathing

naive ravine
#

There are always those ppl

plush tendon
#

but I digress, im spoiled and get triggered easily by bad tanking

naive ravine
#

We as 4 pre got one random dps for Pit 17 and that mage did tank dmg

#

While having timed 17s before

sharp rover
#

Can someone explain to me how there are so many tanks that deal fuck all damage?

#

Like there are a disporportionately large number of tanks that deal half the DPS they should do. If a DPS pulled that regularly they'd be called out, but for some reason tanks are able to skate by on grey parses

lusty grotto
#

part of it is 1/4 apex

sharp rover
#

This isn't specific to prot warriors

lusty grotto
#

the other part is not pressing buttons

sharp rover
#

I just did a +16 NPX with a pally that did 52k overall

lusty grotto
#

thats just not pressing buttons for prot pallies cause their dps should be high

sharp rover
#

I thought it was suspicious when I started playing prot how frequently I got 98/99 parses

#

Do they not realise tanks do damage too?

naive ravine
#

A lot of ppl still think tanks job is to only tank and not die

harsh trellis
undone beacon
#

There is def a community sentiment that runs deep where people think that tank damage is irrelevant/cosmetic, which hasn't been true in... ever really. People happily drop all their damage to focus on "survivability", but what most people don't remember is typically dealing proper damage through well oiled gameplay means you are naturally tankier. Pwarrs that drop apex and spam IP, Bears that macro Ironfur, BDKs that dont manage their resources, etc

lusty grotto
#

its also a one-track mind kind of thinking that is prevalent in people

plush tendon
lusty grotto
#

they hard focus on one thing not both

undone beacon
#

Then the argument in discords is "well if I don't die, I did my job as a tank so it's fine"

harsh trellis
plush tendon
#

boss is low enough that we can just kill boss and ignore the adds

harsh trellis
undone beacon
#

We do that on second soak after intermission because the boss isn't low enough usually, yeah

#

We're not turbo gamers like Augusto

plush tendon
#

you should see how close we let the Col add get to the boss in P1

undone beacon
#

We do let our colossus get very close

#

Touching tips almost

harsh trellis
#

So yeah

undone beacon
#

But thats not making or breaking us lol

harsh trellis
#

One he starts to consume it doesn't matter

plush tendon
#

naw, its for efficient cleave during the boss cast

undone beacon
#

Leave the colossus mostly alone until consume and then nuke it next to boss

harsh trellis
#

That's the thing groups dont get on m chim. Adds gonna get reallllllly close lol

plush tendon
#

damage is basically free healing

daring marlin
undone beacon
#

i drop all my leech and take indom instead

undone beacon
harsh trellis
#

We worked on mythic saladbar this week. That's another fun fight for tanks

#

I like it

warm plinth
undone beacon
plush tendon
#

we let the brew tank and move the boss around the whole time

#

and Im just waiting to taunt to take the tank buster

harsh trellis
#

Oh me and my brew buddy taunt swap off at 10 stacks and just do the moving around together. Its like playing some space gravity game with the balls.

warm plinth
plush tendon
#

tank 1 tanks the boss until the orbs spawn, tank 2 then taunts boss and does the movement, and then tank 1 taunts around 4-5 seconds before tank buster cast

harsh trellis
#

Hrmmmm

#

Maybe we will try that this week

#

Is it all just physical or is there some magic in that tank buster

plush tendon
#

I think its all magic

#

just pop SR+SW in D-Stance

#

itll tickle

harsh trellis
#

That's the big spike out of the ground thing?

plush tendon
#

yea

harsh trellis
#

Ok cool

undone beacon
#

During our reclear our brew panicked and rolled somewhere he never goes and nailed me with a spike so i didnt get to parse sadgers

#

I was being a good boy taking my spikes out and BAM

#

big spike of death

plush tendon
#

the big thing to remember, is you want the lines from the tank buster to not go through boss

celest mesa
#

So I have a question who is the top Protection warrior to watch for youtube videos (Information and gameplay) and twitch???? I know Aug and Dev have Kesslive, DH has Jedith but who is the Prot Warrior go to?

plush tendon
#

you want to create a safe zone at boss position

plush tendon
solid sun
#

Sense on YouTube

undone beacon
harsh trellis
#

Topicx is back from vacation doin his 19s now

#

Lots of videos this weekend

fringe mural
rapid pelican
#

His style of tanking is really nice too

plush tendon
#

my guild *loves * his 30 minute+ raid vids

naive ravine
#

Topicx also finally changed from 1/4 apex

#

So he seems to be lurking somewhere here

plush tendon
#

naw, lots of prot wars are swapping back

lusty grotto
plush tendon
#

he might be here, if so wave

lusty grotto
#

he has been for a while

#

so has kira

#

and naowh

naive ravine
#

Nim did you find someone to test the shield spec shit?

lusty grotto
#

i had to put it on hold given the buffs

naive ravine
#

Not that important anyways

#

Just looking at pwar tree there arent that many good choices when it comes to def talents

lusty grotto
naive ravine
#

Some guys saying survivabilty some saying dmg

lusty grotto
#

theres no catch all

#

and that's also a thing we cannot answer

#

to quote peak

shut summit
#

it isn't anything to do with the class that's the prob

lusty grotto
shut summit
#

it's the dungeons

lusty grotto
#

yeah

shut summit
#

which you can argue are the same thing but there's no world where the class changes would be enough to fix an alg battle axe hitting you for 100% of your hp

solid sun
#

I believe in you, sense

#

You can stop the battle axes

undone beacon
#

Yeah but if we nerf brew then maybe pwarr will have a chance to survive the alg battle axe peepo

#

(dont hurt me nim)

solid sun
#

When do the battle axes start doing that

naive ravine
#

On 17 the axes felt brutal even through SW and SR

plush tendon
#

I remember them being that brutal in DF as well

naive ravine
solid sun
#

Well we got a bdk ripping 18s

naive ravine
#

Now its an insta cast magic dmg hit

solid sun
#

So we can ascend

#

For sure for sure

naive ravine
#

Yeah 20s are for sure in it

#

But then its more of an, go in dont die and prob kite after

solid sun
#

Maybe it’s just nature’s way of telling us we are flying too close to the sun

shut summit
#

yea you have to kite if no CDs up basically

naive ravine
#

In 20s you prob have to layer 2 defensives to not get one shot and then you start kiting real quick

#

And hope for the best

shut summit
#

i staggered wall / demo / reflect and kite when nothing up on the 20 we did

solid sun
#

Did you win

shut summit
#

ye

solid sun
#

The power of friendship carried you through. Love wins

#

Do you imagine you’ll continue to push or are you fairly over the dungeon pool

lusty grotto
#

i wont, the sarcasm was pretty clear

#

oops didnt reply to pash

naive ravine
shut summit
#

depends on dungeon, 2-4 times per dungeon

chrome hull
pulsar coyote
#

Hey guys, currently my stats are:
Strength 2140
Crit 26%
Haste 26%
Mastery 25%
Vers 3%

I'm trying to get a bit more tanky to do 16/17's. What flask and food would you recommend? Still haste and feast or maybe go for vers?

jagged pier
#

Tankiness comes from play and group play not stats really u swapping flaks and food will do nothing

pulsar coyote
#

couple of extra % on vers won't feel different?

warm plinth
#

No

pulsar coyote
#

kk, thanks!

warm plinth
chrome hull
#

gotcha, I actually thought he mistyped and was talking about shockwave's bounce. So that's helpful. Thank you.

fallow fern
#

Question about the haste rating pin.. is the 1188 unbuffed, buffed, or doesnt matter just got to have 1188?

jagged pier
#

unbuffed

chrome hull
#

The other guy dissecting me getting auto corrected on mobile and not answering is wild

jagged pier
#

its always unbuffed

fallow fern
#

Ok

warm plinth
#

Keep in mind, that number is a starting point. A lot of people will want more for comfort, at least in keys

fringe mural
#

i have 1280 and still haven't switched

#

i might try though

#

for packs it's a huge dps gain

naive ravine
#

Does unbuffed mean without flask?

fringe mural
#

Yes

undone beacon
#

Without flask/food/pots

fringe mural
#

i am not even at 280 ilvl

harsh trellis
#

Without flasks. Walking around solo also lol

#

Dont get close to anyone your haste will go up

fringe mural
#

so it's doable no biggie

#

in s1

warm plinth
#

ItF just modifies your total percentage

frosty mango
patent cairn
#

Hey There ! Kinda new as prot. I have a question
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Ignore Pain
Seen this macro, what is point of it, and should I really use it ?

undone beacon
#

Very bad

#

Do not use

harsh trellis
#

Ffs no

warm plinth
#

It's backwards

undone beacon
#

Reverse it

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

This macro allows you to snipe SS resets from IP, it doesnt replace your SS bind. Use it as your IP bind

harsh trellis
frosty mango
#

Does the icy veins guide have the write up on the correct version of it?

lusty grotto
#

the guide says its used to snipe SS

#

so kind of

harsh trellis
#

I wish we'd get a wowhead person to update stuffs

warm plinth
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It doesn't need to be used. It's a minor optimization. But if you do use it, it's just put in place of your IP bind and you use it when you would IP.

crude tapir
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Idk if this is a dumb question but is there any updated routes for higher keys like 18-20s? I've tried looking around and I don't really want to just watch full videos if I don't have to but people complain when I do the standard route pulls.

patent cairn
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Thanks all for your answers !

warm plinth
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Pretend the SS part isn't there and it's just your IP button

naive ravine
undone beacon
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Pumps doesnt play pwarr sadgers

harsh trellis
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I've seen Mc get a route change before first boss if you run a left side route usually.

crude tapir
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I didn't even realize I could check the routes people did on raider io. I usually just used the regular routes for up to 15s. I appreciate it!

frosty mango
undone beacon
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Yeah but nome was at least a pwarr main and an active particpant in the pwarr community

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No shade to pumps but yeah

lusty grotto
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Roid

frosty mango
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I didn’t do it

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And if I did, I didn’t mean it

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And if I did, it was your fault

lusty grotto
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gathering cloud isnt a significant dps increase after tusday

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youre better off running thorim's unless if you never execute

frosty mango
lusty grotto
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executing is still gonna be great for prio targetting

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and also

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heavy handed is a good play on <4 target counts, its a dps increase

jagged pier
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keep it for the rage gen tbh

frosty mango
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I ended up at .8-1% gain assuming you never execute, were your numbers similar?

lusty grotto
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more or less yea

frosty mango
harsh trellis
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How are you both simming that now?

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Are you manually putting adjustments into raidbots?

frosty mango
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To account for the new increases

harsh trellis
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Ahh cool

lusty grotto
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in essence yes

harsh trellis
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That's cool

lusty grotto
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its just a % increase to AP coeff

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for 3 abilities

fringe mural
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sooo when will mwahi add this into the talent build?

frosty mango
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The pain in the ass bit is that raidbots doesn’t allow advanced queries and you need the base values so you either gotta go dig in the code or rip them from a local simc install

fringe mural
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or doesn't it change anything

lusty grotto
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the talent builds wont change

lofty warren
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How is rotation changing for mt hero talents if at all?

lusty grotto
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except maybe for the ST dps oriented one

fringe mural
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ah okay

fringe mural
lusty grotto
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and its very likely that if you wanna parse even higher on vanguard you will want to run heavy handed

fringe mural
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as it has more st

lusty grotto
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other than that, 🤷‍♂️

frosty mango
lofty warren
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Do I press execute any differently as MT in st or aoe after changes?

cunning pecan
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Nom can you check DMs if you have time today. Sorry for the bother.

fringe mural
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but it means we have to really prioritize execute over revenge now right?

lusty grotto
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i dont do dms sorry

frosty mango
jovial holly
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Check your snaps

lusty grotto
harsh trellis
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Nobody going to shit on you. Much

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Its a warrior community, we're here to kick ass and chew bubblegum.

frosty mango
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Prot warrior best community

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We (mostly) don’t judge

fringe mural
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and we chewed so much bubblegum we can't leave the chair now

lofty warren
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How has priority changes after execute buff pls st and aoe

lusty grotto
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unless youre pushing extremely high, and with the added ilvl to shields with the upgrades coming up... shield spec might be a flex point

lofty warren
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I doubt we should be using the aoe execute or deep wounds talents m+ now

lusty grotto
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youre just off-setting the talent BV gain with the added block from the ilvl gain

fringe mural
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it was a little frightening

harsh trellis
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I dont go into fury

naive ravine
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So depending on dungeon shield spec could become a flex point

frosty mango
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We like fury warriors, they’re our brothers but they are angry, so so angry. It’s because they spec into extra rage

lusty grotto
cunning pecan
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Alright so I'm first time mythic/CE tanking and I'm trialing for a new guild. We just got to Alleria. It was brought to my attention that I'm not playing "defensively" enough I guess? Like I shouldnt be using revenge enough and not letting IP fall off or over capping it. I explained my reasoning of the 70+ rage rule and sent the IP pin that was here. I'm also not dying randomly all the time, sure I make some mistakes. They said there's better sources than Skyhold to learn from but idk what those sources are. I can link my logs here and what was said.

frosty mango
naive ravine
lusty grotto
cunning pecan
lusty grotto
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read what i wrote

cunning pecan
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These are my logs @frosty mango

frosty mango
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Spamming IP isn’t going to make a difference on your survivability, but if you’re dying we can probably sort out why

lusty grotto
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cosmos?

naive ravine
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What does BV stand for?

cunning pecan
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I'm assuming Paladins and yeah Cosmos was last night.

lusty grotto
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block value

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do you have a wipe log

naive ravine
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Ah

lofty warren
frosty mango
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Not in any functional sense

cunning pecan
frosty mango
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If you’re taking enough damage to kill you then you can’t generate enough rage to push enough ip fast enough to save you anyway

fringe mural
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the theorycrafters here probably played their warriors before they were even born

lofty warren
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If you're about to take big damage hit (like smash from giant in pos) and you have no CDs left and you are sitting on 65 rage and ur hp is at like 35% and his smash is going to do 40% of ur hp then spending rage on ip to give you approx 6% extra hp would save you.

But that is a more fridge case and usually there are other problems happening before you need to sell out to try to survive the next global @frosty mango

fringe mural
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like idk who on earth would not say archim is THE go to dps warrior internationally, and unless this channel here is full of idiots i doubt prot is way worse

lusty grotto
harsh trellis
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Lol I do like your parses are good but they are shitting on you for prog

plush tendon
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@lusty grotto you run the numbers for Prot War stuff yea?

lusty grotto
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smh typing "per se" as "per say"

cunning pecan
plush tendon
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any talent changes for Tuesday with execute buffs?

lusty grotto
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grinds my gears

lusty grotto
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keep it up, do not let it drop

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hes not wrong though, IP's job (besides being a rage dump) is to smooth left over damage from block or other DRs

fringe mural
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thank god i didn't have to deal with this back when i was raiding

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of course ip is used to halve your dmg