protection

[fringe mural]

In personal testings?

[raw whale]

in the sim yes

[fringe mural]

So the sim wastes rage without the talent then?

[raw whale]

No, without the talent you spend IP <60 rage, with the talent you spend IP <~90 rage

So when you have >40 rage you can spend more revenge

Hence the dps upgrade

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a nothingburger

we didnt do anything concerning that, its working as intended

[fringe mural]

ah okay i understand

[raw whale]

It really doesn't matter, in my mind it's just a way to bump your DPS displayed when you have to beg for your guild offs that your class isn't trash

[fringe mural]

lol yeah

[lusty grotto]

while the sim does spend rage at a percentage (with overwhelming) before cap, it also means if SS resets are unlucky you can slam more revenges before starving

so naturally dps goes up

ESPECIALLY in ST

[fringe mural]

yeah that makes more sense

[mighty valley]

overwhelming rage is probably better for new prot warriors than we give it credit for, just more wiggle room and less likely to end up with an empty gcd

[fringe mural]

But that isnt a real issue in keys i guess

[lusty grotto]

it also greatly decreases overcapping

so less waste of rage

[mighty valley]

probably more impactful at those mid levels than like... field dressing or whatever people take there

[fringe mural]

which is hard to keep track of if you're not very seasoned

i get so much rage in pulls

it's very hard to find the balance between overcapping and blowing it all and lose a revenge

when ravager procs for example

[daring marlin]

WHY NOT

[mighty valley]

yeah, gotta adjust when ravager procs, rage goes crazy

[fringe mural]

if you have to take care of kicks and preventing backshots etc

It would really help if we could have a sound at x rage

Where you could train your muscle memory with

[raw whale]

I believe you can have a visual cue if you mess up with your CDM ressource bar's textures

I believe you can play with the opacity to have it more shiny near the right and more dark near the left for example

[fringe mural]

you can change color yes

there's still an addon for that

I mean if i am just not good enough to keep my wasted rage close to zero

then the talent will probably yield more heal because of the extra ips you can cast than field dressing

it would be interesting to know at what amount of wasted rage that happens

[plush tendon]

spooky dungeon

loot meh

not wurf

[fringe mural]

like if you waste less than x rage, field dressing is better, if you waste more, it's the rage talent

[ivory barn]

I had a line on my rage bar at 100 for a while

[fringe mural]

i'm just not looking at it all the time

and if stuff get messy i prioritize kicks and rotation etc

[ivory barn]

"did rage cross line" if yes hit ip

[fringe mural]

i'll need to do a little hotkey and interface optimization i guess

[ivory barn]

They are adding text to the personal resource bars now

[naive panther]

Are you all playing with 1 point in apex? Any time i go 4 my dps goes up but feels like im just gettingg slapped in keys.

[ivory barn]

1/4 apex is a literal trap, don't do that

[jagged pier]

that literally cant be the case u gain more dr with 4 apex

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496228825682415767/picmix.com_13676758.gif

You're pavlov'ing yourself, 1/4 is a big defensive and offensive loss

[naive panther]

Its not a trap though. Run it 99% of time in keys. So much stronger

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-ball-ball-kick-gif-15177767

[lusty grotto]

no we're not

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496932144298197103/picmix.com_13681479.gif

[lusty grotto]

its not stronger, read this #protection message

[ivory barn]

Where did you get it from..

[undone beacon]

Quite literally is not "so much stronger"

[lusty grotto]

"stronger" as in you lose an entire 5% DR and 15k dps?

cause that isnt stronger at all

thats by definition

weaker

by A LOT

[naive panther]

More tanky and self sufficient

[lusty grotto]

false

read what i linked

[undone beacon]

But thats the neat part, you're not more tanky

[naive panther]

I know you lose 5% dr.

[ivory barn]

No, not really. Who told you this info? Cause they wrong

[sharp gale]

You can take indom without dropping all this

[naive panther]

Seat of the pants more tanky.

[lusty grotto]

again, false

read what i linked

[naive panther]

Well my pants tell me that.

Haha

Ok

[ivory barn]

...

[undone beacon]

"Hey guys do y'all run this way?"
"No, that way is just worse"
"Well actually you guys are wrong then "

[fringe mural]

it's a false assumption that's easy to make because all those extra talents you take do sound fancy

fancyer than '5% dr'

[ivory barn]

I'd like to see a prot warrior in a 15+ key try that and watch them suffer

[sharp gale]

I think you can do a 15 without shield block

[fringe mural]

but calculate the defensive value together of 3 talents vs 2,3 and 4/4 and you will get more survivability out of 4/4

[naive panther]

I didnt say they were wrong

[ivory barn]

We are saying that source is

[fringe mural]

there's offensive talents you can drop for defensive ones

[naive panther]

But ok bash me for wanting feedback on my perspective

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-smack-butt-bad-boy-naughty-boy-discipline-gif-15693549

[fringe mural]

and by dropping apex you drop defense for defense

Which doesn't make as much sense

[ivory barn]

How is this a perspective when you are asking what we play

[lusty grotto]

youre not dropping defense for defense

[coarse bay]

It is quite literally defensively and offensively weaker to run 1/4 apex. There’s no perspective or anything.

[lusty grotto]

youre dropping defense for nothing

because i have linked the build where you take the "so-called" defensive talents AND STILL TAKE 4/4 APEX

[plush tendon]

its outdated; it was a early season cook

there is a different 'more def build' that maintains the 4/4 apex

[jagged pier]

was beta cook

[undone beacon]

You're not being bashed for wanting feedback on your perspective, you're being bashed for arguing when we tell you that your perception of the talents is incorrect and you'd do better with a better build

[jagged pier]

which ppl cant move away from

[naive panther]

My perspective is when i play 1/4 i dont feel. Like im getting spanked. All im saying. Not saying youre wrong in fact brought up to hear more about what you all are doing.

[ivory barn]

Icy veins gives results and I have proof

[fringe mural]

Your build is good don't get me wrong, but it is all defensives?

like all?

[jagged pier]

thats 1 talent

bsv

[naive panther]

Discussion not arguing then ya'll act like children.

[lusty grotto]

who is talking about all defensives, thats not the context here

[polar pelican]

is battle scarred veteran a trap

🤔

[lusty grotto]

no

[daring marlin]

Remember when we thought the mace was good? smh

[polar pelican]

just dont go under 30%

[fringe mural]

i thought the 1/4 apex builds claim to have more defensive talents

[lusty grotto]

yes

[jagged pier]

yes and no, its really strong so strong for most ppl swaping to 1/4 apex they take those 3 talents and go wow i cant die when 99% of the work is done by bsv

[lusty grotto]

thats the claim

[jagged pier]

and not the other 2

[lusty grotto]

which im getting with the builds ive done

what are the talents?

last stand

indom

[jagged pier]

and they go yer i cant die with 1/4 instead of i cant die with bsv

[lusty grotto]

BSV

[coarse bay]

Same key, group, and played the same global by global?

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[polar pelican]

yea im meming. I couldnt understand in tww when the wowhead builds for m+ weren't taking bsv

[lusty grotto]

because its not the go-to talent build

well, wasn't

you just get it when you need it

but it has been stupidly easy to talent so its not really a dicussion

[sharp gale]

Bsv in tww : take it if you need it

[polar pelican]

theres like 0 reason to not grab cheat deaths as a tank i feel like, espeically if you are bad

[lusty grotto]

then grab it

🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

its not a cheat death

[polar pelican]

it kinda is

[jagged pier]

i died through it today

[ivory barn]

It's a "oh fuck I took damage let me help a healer"

[fringe mural]

Then you're not cheating enough

[sharp gale]

Crit blocks are cheat deaths too

[polar pelican]

tanking xenas without it was miserable

[jagged pier]

i proc'd it because its a defensive and i want to use denfensives

[polar pelican]

the stupid protector fuckers who heal absorb you

[jagged pier]

then the healer just ignored me

[sharp gale]

I once took 2x one arm bandit tankbuster and crit blocked it

[jagged pier]

so i just died

[fringe mural]

Are they? Aren't they capped at 60%

[jagged pier]

85%

[coarse bay]

I dont take bsv yet, because i havent needed it

[plush tendon]

BSV sometimes just procs

[polar pelican]

have u ever dead

[plush tendon]

when I dont need it to

and its a pain in the butt

[fringe mural]

How do you see if you're there when in mastery build?

[coarse bay]

I have, to my own misplay, i also havent done relevant enough keys to matter

[lusty grotto]

why are we having the bsv conversation right now though, its so easy to grab that its a non-factor

[fringe mural]

isn't the number different by enemy?

[polar pelican]

yea u should takes it

[lusty grotto]

do you need it? then grab it

thats like the fifth time we've mentioned it here

[polar pelican]

it would be like not taking purgatory on bdk because you dont plan on dying

[plush tendon]

I remember when you had to choose between Purg and Red Thirst on Blood

XD

good times

[fringe mural]

it's a confidence talent

[sharp gale]

Bdk gameplay is your health swinging from 100% to 10%

[fringe mural]

if you know what and when it is happening

You don't really need bsv

[polar pelican]

what is bsv

[tribal wharf]

dont die

passive

[sharp gale]

Battle scarred veteran

[tribal wharf]

if it procs basically 99% chance u wont die till it fades

[naive panther]

@coarse bay no man. I do need to go back to standard build again, could have had a bad healer last time etc. Could be dif pulls etc. Just was hating prot before making the switch back. Going to mess around next time i play. Even do col again.

[tribal wharf]

80% dr and triple healing incoming or some shit

for few seconds i want to say 6 or 8 and 3min cd al'a loh debuff

[plush tendon]

id just check out the pinned talent builds if you are looking for something more defensive or that fits your playstyle

[polar pelican]

imo you should remove the respected from your name its kinda cringe

anyone with me

[undone beacon]

Colossus is perfectly viable!

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone beacon]

no

[polar pelican]

replace it with 57 or something

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

cam can stay as the respected

[plush tendon]

but dropping to 1/4 apex is such a big loss in both mitigation and damage, I cant recommend it

[lusty grotto]

and should stay as the respected

[polar pelican]

we need a community poll to see if hes respected or not

[sharp gale]

Fiveseven

[undone beacon]

Cam, Emissary of the Respected 57

[lusty grotto]

good improvement ngl

[polar pelican]

i have poll powers 😮

[naive ravine]

mods kill that guy

[undone beacon]

yeah im shocked we have that

[tribal wharf]

fake news poll

[sharp gale]

I can’t contaminate this place with fury brainrot

[tribal wharf]

cam is i respect him

[undone beacon]

we have our own flavors of brain rot we dont need fury's

[coarse bay]

I respect you too yogi

[polar pelican]

57 is losing 🙁

i just typed @gio to call in the big guns but theres 50 accounts named gio on this server for some reason

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768006676640825385/1358681570864664606/essaying.gif

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/roster-cat-you-are-off-the-roster-sols-bug-jar-gif-14560954370141483522

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-scary-skibidi-brainrot-cat-cute-spooky-gif-6516551560610607671

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-hit-the-jackpot-gameboyjones-hakari-green-screen-black-guy-gif-7781853818237960786

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pass-down-gif-12523640702135139778

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pass-down-gif-12523640702135139778

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-pass-down--k01KQFT6V6GC2XD4G04GSJ6Y3CQ

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pass-down-gif-12523640702135139778

[undone beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-pass-down--k01KQFT6V6GC2XD4G04GSJ6Y3CQ

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/karofi-meme-đmcs-gif-20297029

[ivory barn]

I was gonna say when was this lol

[lofty warren]

Lol it was a joke.. but MT is the hero talent choice that is more common in m+ atm

[ivory barn]

I bet Colossus is sus in m+

[shrewd cosmos]

It feels slow. I tried it in Seat 16 it was sturdy. I have a feeling it feels more tanky then MT but it is hard to gather the pull.

[lofty warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rJHLBchdZgFta2Rx?fight=1&source=2

Am I looking at this right? Log of pwar thay did +20 shows him using 1/4 apex?

[vivid sentinel]

/macro

[daring marlin]

we have no such brain rot

anyway how do I track ip?

[tribal wharf]

stacks and amount

also cooldown

[lusty grotto]

here you go

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[lusty grotto]

[heavy sparrow]

(I) Dislike it. That's a hard no for me dog

[lofty warren]

I think that China log with 1/4 means he actually was using 1/4 talents

[sharp gale]

i like it personnally but yeah it's like saying you don't like to block on prot war

[fringe mural]

You make it a really really huge bar in the cdm

and put it from left to right

over the entire screen

So you know exactly how big your absorb is

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-penalty-penalty-bar-death-ouch-gif-23785205

I discovered CPM in logs the other day pretty nifty stuff

[lusty grotto]

strange cause we've been over CPM a lot here

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[lusty grotto]

but hey

you learn something new every day

[undone beacon]

This game is toooooo fuckin easy

[fringe mural]

Where do you guys have your ragebar?

[heavy sparrow]

I'm slow in the head, fast in the hands

[fringe mural]

i feel i lose spatial awareness when it's too low and i always look at ragebar and skills

Because my view narrows

[tribal wharf]

keystones in a nutshell

AND THEN YOU FIND OUT...

[lofty warren]

All the top american name pwars on wcl using 4/4 and China ones with 1/4 i wonder why. I would make a tarrif joke but I'll restrain

[heavy sparrow]

I feel attacked

[plush tendon]

the reality is you can prob use either build and do these top keys regardless; people doing 20s right now are very strong players

regardless of their talent choices

[charred ivy]

if i only do m+. and als then only access m+ trinkets. wich trinkets is best? heart of wind + something?

[fringe mural]

I think they have very strong

Forearms

[tribal wharf]

orange orb sky trinket

[charred ivy]

i got kroluks banner in vault its good?

[lusty grotto]

sim

[tribal wharf]

axe thrower thing is bad, i know from experience, games is kind of bad also

i know this from experience

[charred ivy]

my current trinkets is shit so i guess will be better nomatter what. but just whats concidered best trinket for m+

[lofty warren]

What is the percent scaling diff between a 16 and a 20%?

[cerulean tusk]

I dont wanna see animal cruelty, even if it AI made

I want cute cats and happy dogos

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[cerulean tusk]

[echo egret]

how hard is Midnight Falls heroic ? we cleared Be'loren and our guild leader is saying she doesn't want to go there

(we're a hc-only guild)

[cerulean tusk]

You asking the wrong place, 90% in here will say "piss easy"

I presume it is "difficult" but doable after enough progress

[tribal wharf]

why i say games is bad, source, im not i made it the fuck up,

[tribal wharf]

so, 1, its on use, so to me already its in the bad camp

[cerulean tusk]

what about a 14 vs a 21?

[heavy sparrow]

16s midnight S1 = 13s TWW S1

[tribal wharf]

2, three orbs come out in like baseball 1 2 3 bases, and you have to have a target

and run over and collide with them

[undone beacon]

if y'all are heroic only its literally the only place left to go

[tribal wharf]

so its, it can put you in get hit in the back, or puts them in the shit

[undone beacon]

If y'all made it this far, why stop before the last boss

[plush tendon]

speak for yourself! I still havnt even pull Midnight Falls Heroic

[tribal wharf]

so, i dont hate it, cuz it deals dmg

[plush tendon]

but Belo Mythic is dying tonight

[undone beacon]

shut up nerd

[heavy sparrow]

I don't think I'll ever reach 21s

[tribal wharf]

but its not my 100% favorite

[plush tendon]

[cerulean tusk]

you would oneshot

[undone beacon]

do y'all have a spriest?

[plush tendon]

yea, hes riding the bench right now

[echo egret]

it's the onyl place left to go, but she's saying "not worth the hassle because it's tuned too hard"'
I'm trying to get an opinion on that statement 🙂

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

if i see vault with trinket, im taking the damned trinket

[undone beacon]

[tribal wharf]

come on avoidance jelly

272

[lofty warren]

So the diff between 16 and 20 is 100% scaling. Even I bump my gear from 277 to full BIS I dont think I would see 100% increase in my stats. Thus the ppl doing 20s must be mega cracked

[undone beacon]

Its not really "tuned too hard", its designed to be a tougher fight because its the last boss of the tier. Its also very mechnically tight, people need to pay attention and its very easy for people to screw up and kill themselves or others

[plush tendon]

if you are a heroic only guild, to not do the last boss is crazy work

[undone beacon]

H lura is supposed to be on par with like, first two of mythic

But yeah if y'all are heroic only you might as well get started on Lura. Its not like theres more tuning coming for H lura anyways

[jagged pier]

nah its harder

well it was

[undone beacon]

It was initially harder but they knocked some of the mechs back on H and now its really not too bad

As long as crystal people arent braindead and you can dodge glaives its kinda free imo

[lofty warren]

Is it possible to run a sim with "full bis" if you dont exactly know what items are full bis? Just trying to see the number full bis sim gives and compare to my current gear

[plush tendon]

yall should be doing heroic lura, get your AoTC and call the tier a success

or at least spend some time progging the fight

[undone beacon]

On our aotc kill we almost killed it in darkwell phase lol

^

[plush tendon]

like, what else yall doing?

[cerulean tusk]

L'ura harder than N'zoth?

[naive panther]

I'm confused why bloodborne would be taken over bloodsurge?

[lofty warren]

Lura is the hardest heroic boss ever made

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

RIP, better wait another week and kill it for free then

[undone beacon]

In what regard?

Both are flex points, you can drop either one

[jagged pier]

i mean for ST i think u do

have bb

[naive panther]

just looking at faq builds

[jagged pier]

so your looking at the ST build

[undone beacon]

For ST parsing yeah BB is damage

[naive panther]

and my own sims put bs higher, and it has more defensive value

[jagged pier]

BS doesnt do much on 1 target

how are u simming?

[naive panther]

i did a st and a mt sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1o7STCYWehgjae2PKFvBy

[cerulean tusk]

My brain hurts, what is bs for prot again? I can only think of bladestorm

[jagged pier]

so your simming 6 targets

[undone beacon]

Bloodsurge

6 target 2 minute sim is interesting

[cerulean tusk]

Ah, ticky bleedy, ragegrainorini

[undone beacon]

yeah thats the one

[naive panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wgXB6fhGcFVbwLRsdx4KNj

[undone beacon]

and BB is bloodybooboo fivepercento

[naive panther]

here is the 1 target

[cerulean tusk]

Wasnt that debunked to be pretty meh a long time ago, as in AoE we got rage overflow either way?
I am actually out of the loop on that

[lofty warren]

5 target 1.5 min is the correct setting for m+ simming i believe

[jagged pier]

run bs then

[naive panther]

thats pepe i often lower target and adjust time

[jagged pier]

u arent in top gear

[naive panther]

yeah jakey i will if its just preference, just was wondering if others had a good reason to not do that

[jagged pier]

which those builds are built off

[polar pelican]

in my prestigious opinion, the optimal setting for m+ is 20 targets 30 seconds

[jagged pier]

its just what sims highest with like the highest simming set of gear

thats why u always sim stuff

the APL could also be broken and BS is doing somthing funky

@lusty grotto check

[polar pelican]

fly my minion

check the apl

[lusty grotto]

nah BS was simming higher before

well

BB was simming higher before, BS is simming higher now

[jagged pier]

must be low gear vs high probs

something like that

[lusty grotto]

im currently working with my FPS in game so give me a few and ill check

and work also

[lofty warren]

Can check why 263 ilvl wb crit trinket is simming absurd numbers for 5 targets 1.5 min for me?

[undone beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgfRkpfKdzDB37mhJwaXQF I did a 10 target 10 minute and colossus was better therefore colossus is now the default hero tree

[plush tendon]

this is your work!

what could possibly be more important then Prot War sim APL!?

[lofty warren]

Bugs in the apl?

[plush tendon]

not bugs.... rats

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eating-rats-CBdAAvsd63x5u

Nim fixing the spagethi

[ivory barn]

Nzoth got despawned by blizzard

[fringe mural]

taunt is an ocd spell right?

[tribal wharf]

this is what i mean that i sort of dont love the games trinket

[polar pelican]

socer

[lofty warren]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_protection.simc

Simc GitHub APL says to use TB if there are 2 or more targets and thre are 2 tb stacks above shield charge but the icy veins aoe prio says shield charge > tb?

Does the APL ignore tier sets or something?

[lusty grotto]

can i get some powers to mute pepega

or prevent him from posting links and/or images

ok let me go back to the conversation

[lofty warren]

I put <> around the url just for you

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVtFeZ4GPCrxGXt7A5AHLF BB sims higher in aoe (with the proper sim not a 2min 6 target abobination)

BS sims higher in ST

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ma7xRM9jE3CvjAsv66jSeN

we're not a 2 min class

dont do 2 mins sims

we're a 45s class

45 + 45 = 1:30 (90s)

90s + 90s = 3 mins

[dusky canopy]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

no idea why 6 targets either since we're 5 target soft capped

does that answer the question?

[dusky canopy]

I didn’t know Prot got Blade Storm this expact

[jagged pier]

i wish

miss it from mop

[lusty grotto]

if you want to be slightly more defensive just go BS

in aoe

entirely up to you, but the recommendations in icy-veins are correct

[bleak dust]

I'm totally new to prot warrior so please tell me if i'm wrong but am I correct in thinking whirlwind and rend are just entirely redundant and should be left off of my hotbar?

[lusty grotto]

youre 100% correct

remove them

[jagged pier]

thats in the tolarnce of error

[lusty grotto]

make sure youre talented into rend, but remove it from your bars since TC applies it

[jagged pier]

just BS honestly

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

[undone beacon]

new healer neck on ptr from new raid boss

and a nature damage-triggered cantrip ring

very neat

i was kinda hoping they'd make every item some kind of lil cantrip but whatever

[bleak dust]

Thank you!

[mystic perch]

Silly question maybe. i see ppl going Armour spec and indom instead of stuff like fight through the flames and hunker down. Any notes on when/if we'd take the later two or not

[lofty warren]

I used "mid1" profile from simc github, put it into raidbots advanced, and ran 5t 1.5 min sim. It spit out 240k dps.

When i do sim for my guy at 277 ilvl I get 212k dps.

Does this mean the total maximum power that can be gained is 28k (13%)?

[lusty grotto]

hunker down is garbage

but you can easily swap armor spec with fttf

depending on damage profiles

more physical output = armor spec
more magical output = fttf

[mystic perch]

Makes sense. ty ty

[lusty grotto]

just look at a log and go through damage taken

thats what i do

key by key if i dont remember, i pull up a log and check if there's more magical damage compared to melee and physical attacks (like NPX leans into physical damage being higher due to searing rend)

like for example this is a WS 17, and it leans heavily into physical damage

brownish = physical

any other color = magical

so its an armor spec key

bleeds go into physical brown, but both armor and/or MDR dont do anything for those so you can disregard them if you wish

and then just add up the rest

[naive ravine]

Were you able to test the shield spec stuff? @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

no i forgot

remind me in an hour

when im off work

[naive ravine]

👍

[solid sun]

It’s triggered by nature damage?

[undone beacon]

the new ring from sporefall is yeah

[loud rune]

moggers

sup

[lusty grotto]

would work with thane so no issue

[undone beacon]

Yep, good for thane. Not for shadow priest tho

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

12.0.7 sims available?

[undone beacon]

I got the ring set from NPX on myth track now tho so idec, we j chillin

[plush tendon]

more armor also has a benefit of giving us more strength

which is pretty neat

[undone beacon]

ur pretty neat

gottem

[celest aurora]

So, i been playing a bit prot warr as alt and i feel im very squishy and like non-existant self-sustain, idk if im doing something massively wrong or idk, any tips? (m+)

[plush tendon]

need a log to figure that out

[solid sun]

Did you check out the icy veins guide

[lusty grotto]

you are definitely doing something massively wrong

[solid sun]

And no we know you’re doin something wrong even without a log

[lusty grotto]

what key level is this

and do you have logs

like they asked

[celest aurora]

Mostly Wowhead, but swapped to icyveins m+ talents

+10s

[lusty grotto]

yup sounds like youre doing something very wrong

[plush tendon]

yea, if you can log your next dungeon run, thatll give us something to work off of

[lusty grotto]

but we will need logs

just keep in mind, SB is the thing you want to maintain up as much as possible, also read the pins concerning a very important SB uptime talent

[toxic pewter]

lol wasnt the ptr literally just put up like an hour ago

[solid sun]

Best we can do without logs is basic tips

[plush tendon]

Otherwise, all we can do is parrot the generic "keep SB up, use CDs" blah blah blah

[celest aurora]

uploading logs

[lusty grotto]

i mean hes not exactly a regular Augusto

its not generic for new people

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[celest aurora]

So i did a maisara first then a AA, AA went way better but i think thats because of the healer

[lusty grotto]

healer shouldnt matter at 10s

[celest aurora]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/49P6ZGXzMyBWVTjD

[lusty grotto]

youre not keeping SB up

blocked hits need to be 90% at a bare minimum

face your targets, keep SB up

and youre spamming WAY TOO MUCH IP

[celest aurora]

I think im pressing ignore pain more and sometimes find myself out of rage to refresh SB

[lusty grotto]

read this on IP usage: #protection message

[lusty grotto]

thats bad

you shouldn't spam IP that way

rage starving is bad

rage capping is bad

avoid it at all costs

[celest aurora]

Yea i feel without IP i take waaay too much damage

:S

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong

youre just not keeping SB up

[celest aurora]

i think thats why im kinda spamming it to make it easier for healers

[lusty grotto]

76% effective uptime is super bad

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

[celest aurora]

is it same on both runs?

[lusty grotto]

what makes it easier for healers is keeping SB up

that was AA

MC is even worse

these are REALLY BAD uptimes

keep Shield Block up

[celest aurora]

I feel like shit now haha

[lusty grotto]

90%+ minimum

and after you master that, make sure you use IP correctly

[toxic pewter]

heck no you are taking feedback to improve this is how we get better

[celest aurora]

Yea but i been feeling so shit as warrior compared to my paladin main xD

[lusty grotto]

well trust

[uncut burrow]

Takes practice and muscle memory!

[celest aurora]

So most important thing is SB and IP is just an "addition" as defensive?

[lusty grotto]

you wont feel anywhere near as bad as prot paladins with proper SB usage

[lusty grotto]

did you read what i linked?

cause it goes over that

[celest aurora]

yes i did

[lusty grotto]

once again here it is: #protection message

[loud rune]

we need some mod to pin it

ong

[lusty grotto]

no

[loud rune]

yes

[lusty grotto]

no pins for that

thats basic prot gameplay

[loud rune]

why not, its usesful af, not everyone that joins has the basic prot knowledge day 1

[lusty grotto]

then its linked to them

[loud rune]

could be linked in Quick Info as well https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1269009290237055099

[fringe mural]

oh

[celest aurora]

Ill try my best

[fringe mural]

i was just fiddling with talents and interface

and last stand doesnt even have increased healing taken

what a useless talent outside of npx

[mighty valley]

(astronauts meme) always has been

[fringe mural]

yeah i also didn't use the old spell when it wasn't a talent

but i thought it had the heal increase at one point

[mighty valley]

nope, just max health increase

[fringe mural]

bsv has that

which is nice

[mighty valley]

back in vanilla (maybe tbc, maybe wrath) when you were always a couple autos from death, that was a meaningful cooldown, but tanking ain't like that now

[fringe mural]

even in tbc it wasn't that great

[lusty grotto]

it was meaningful because you needed to beat EHP limits for certain busters

[loud rune]

Swapping armor for magicdef in MT worth it or meh?

[lusty grotto]

back when people didnt really understand DR and/or Wall had a 2 hr cd

[fringe mural]

yeah apart from that

but shield block was way more important then

because we took crushing blows if it wasn't up

[lusty grotto]

#protection message start here and read down

[fringe mural]

i remember how maulgar just simply shred me when i didn't know that

[lusty grotto]

maulgar

?

[fringe mural]

high king

[lusty grotto]

did you not do naxx

[fringe mural]

in gruul

[lusty grotto]

i know who it is

i played it

[fringe mural]

no

i started in tbc

[loud rune]

i believe that nimchimp is ai

[lusty grotto]

oh, unfort

[mighty valley]

like a fraction of a percent of wow players did og naxx lmao

[fringe mural]

i started a few weeks before black temple i think

[lusty grotto]

[fringe mural]

i heard tales of naxx

from a friend

of og patchwerk

dismantling tanks

like they were made out of paper

😄

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[fringe mural]

i started raiding in tbc and started leading raids with the za patch

2.4?

[lusty grotto]

i started in BWL

and the AQ gates turn ins had just started

[fringe mural]

ooh the scarab lord quest

[lusty grotto]

but obviously saw all the content

our guild had 1 of the 4 scarab lords in arthas

and we effectively opened the gates

the other 3 just did a turn in at roughly the same window so they got it

and we were only one of the 3 guilds in Arthas to kill 4H

when the server decided to take a massive shit every night after that on Sapph

and other shenanigans

[daring marlin]

no he just does IT

close enough

[undone beacon]

beep boop

https://tenor.com/view/insert-code-here-coding-programmer-life-code-software-developer-gif-2427190045973716114

[uncut wren]

just timed a +10 pit with less than two milliseconds remaining on the timer.. deep exhale

[celest aurora]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GL9Z2MCd3bBTxDmX?fight=last
Is this better?

[tribal wharf]

pres struggl with range in keyS? lol

[naive ravine]

@lusty grotto Reminder 1 hour is over 🫡

[lusty grotto]

no

track SB uptime

make sure its always up

[celest aurora]

I did :/

[lusty grotto]

you need to maintain it like your life depends on it (because it does)

[celest aurora]

I did also remove ignore pain bar and put a pip on 70 rage to never press IP under that pip

[lusty grotto]

good

[dusky canopy]

Smart

[celest aurora]

But is that in combat? or overall? cuz i did drop it sometimes while running to next pack chaining

[lusty grotto]

thats while getting hit

[celest aurora]

ahh

[lusty grotto]

dropping out of combat does not matter

its not important

and you shouldn't maintain it out of combat anyway

[celest aurora]

Kinda weird i did less % uptime than the AA while actively thinking about it this time

ugh haha

[lusty grotto]

yeah hold on i need a homie for myth raid and to hop on a key

[naive ravine]

👍

[fringe mural]

i got myself a new ragebar now

it caps at 70

so once it's full i just press ip

if it's full it will turn black

maybe i can minimize rage waste that way

[celest aurora]

How do u check this? I went to buffs and picked myself and it shows 80.27% buff uptime on shield block

[lusty grotto]

we dont track buff uptime

we care only about effective uptime

Damage Taken -> put mouse over Melee HITS

make sure youre selected

[celest aurora]

im confused

[fringe mural]

i added an annoying audio if my sb falls off

[celest aurora]

nvm im stupid

[fringe mural]

also when demo/avatar/sc are back up because i miss those

[lusty grotto]

melee HITS

its in caps for a reason

there's a hits column

[celest aurora]

yea found it, i was being stupid

[toxic gyro]

Is it an addon for it?

[fringe mural]

no, just the ingame cooldown manager

[lusty grotto]

right click the buffs

[fringe mural]

you beat me to it 😄

my screenshot was uglier lol

[lusty grotto]

there arent any time windows though, only the options available so keep that in mind

[toxic gyro]

Oh nice, thanks. Now that I play itf it will be nice. I’m getting too old to shoot call for my group and play perfectly. Dropping sb even for sec on big pulls is deadly af

[fringe mural]

what sound do you use for bsv proc nim?

[lusty grotto]

the blaring horn

[fringe mural]

perfect 😄

[lusty grotto]

the other shit is just default naowhui i keep removing and then it fucking shows up again when i update it

[fringe mural]

lol

[vocal junco]

I didn’t realize you can do this! Can you do custom text to speech as well?

[lusty grotto]

like i dont give a shit about burst of power

[fringe mural]

no

it will voice over the spell name

[lusty grotto]

you can do TTS but its defaulted to what the spell is

you cannot change it

[fringe mural]

a very bored voice will say "shield block"

just use something that will really fuck with you infight

so you never let it drop while fighting

[lusty grotto]

kinda useless though

you want an alert before it happens

not after

[fringe mural]

yeah but that can't be done now can it?

weak aura could but not anymore

[lusty grotto]

yeah i suppose its good for people learning

[fringe mural]

the alert after is kinda like a slap in the face

[lusty grotto]

but otherwise youre risking a gap

[fringe mural]

"you failed"

i like that

so to prevent it from happening again

you play better hopefully

[lusty grotto]

sure

[fringe mural]

what is the threshold to use ip over?

70?

or 60

i can't find it in the iv guide anymore

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

whoops

tl;dr its 70

but its not a hard limit

[fringe mural]

yeah

you want to be able to use revenge still

so that is the goal, not 70, and 70 makes sure you will be able to use revenge

even with unlucky procs of ss

[lusty grotto]

right

[fringe mural]

this is what i will try now

turns black after 70

so black tells me to press ip regardless of what else i'm doing

i had really high amounts of wasted rage hence my take on getting better at it

[fringe mural]

what?

yes my ragebar lies to me showing me a maximum of 70

[dusky canopy]

🤣

Read my mind

[fringe mural]

but since i'll be casting ip either way once above 70 the amount of rage above 70 is irrelevant

it's just relevant that i AM above 70

[dusky canopy]

Imho you should figure out how to have one normal rage bar and have that indicate above 70 however you want

[fringe mural]

which is shown to me by the color change

[dusky canopy]

You are unnecessarily taxing your brain

[lament osprey]

This tracking rage, not IP

Holy almost got baited

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt gonna say much but yeah i agree with brew

[fringe mural]

haha yeah

[lusty grotto]

i have only the rage bar, i have no indicators or anything

[dusky canopy]

I play the same way

[lusty grotto]

its not THAT important

to not waste rage

[dusky canopy]

I just read the number

[lament osprey]

I’ll allow it since not tracking IP

[lusty grotto]

as long as its not a huge amount of rage waste

[fringe mural]

i had like 20% i think

or 15%

[lusty grotto]

youre just inviting coggy load

[fringe mural]

dafuq is that?

[lament osprey]

Let me know how it goes in mythic light bringers

[lusty grotto]

cognitive overload

[lament osprey]

[fringe mural]

oh well that's a thing i can manage, one of the few

[lusty grotto]

cognitive overload to be specific

[fringe mural]

overthinking relaxes me

kind of

[lusty grotto]

until it doesnt

[fringe mural]

we get there when we get there

until then i'll just try it

and if it sucks i'll remove it

and add a 70 marker or smth

[swift elk]

I have my rage bar set up to change color above 70 for example, real easy to do in most bar add-ons.

[valid violet]

I just want to ask you guys mentioned Revenge should I use it below 60 rage or?

also is there a guide on dps for warr or?

[lusty grotto]

revenge is used when TC and SS are on cd only

as thane

[valid violet]

ok

[solid sun]

I just have a rage bar

And I know where the 70 is on it

[lusty grotto]

same

[sharp gale]

Same it’s when red is on the right

[drowsy comet]

@undone beacon

[outer willow]

Which addon do you use for this?

I use IP more than I should.

Doesn’t seem to interfere with my rise to 3k, but I want to get better.

[cold pilot]

My character is bricked lol

I hate this

[chrome hull]

Lots of Addons can do this. I like Ellesmereui because you can fully disable individual components you don’t need/want

[cold pilot]

This is my main and I have 3 myth items

my other 3 myth items don't sim higher even at max level

[wild chasm]

What is ItF haste requirement now?

[lusty grotto]

in the pins

[wild chasm]

Thank you sir

[outer willow]

Ty

[chrome hull]

1188

[lusty grotto]

why is this a problem

[chrome hull]

^ also want to know

[lusty grotto]

link the sim

[cold pilot]

I want myth of the dawn is all 🙁

[lusty grotto]

so keep the items?

you dont have to have them equipped

link the sim

[cold pilot]

I'm mostly memeing lol, obv my character isn't bricked!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6qt8nQMWcdiKHYX2Rim6eN

[lusty grotto]

what

alrighty then

moving along

[chrome hull]

You bet. Just be prepared to spend an hour setting it up if you’re not straight importing an existing profile. It’s really intuitive though so that hour is mostly just tweaking fonts and colors

[sick shell]

memes arent allowed here, go sim the pins before you think about typing again

[cold pilot]

lol

[lusty grotto]

memes are allowed

[cold pilot]

https://tenor.com/fHl8K2aKYN9.gif

[lusty grotto]

but that one was incomprehensible

sounds more like a backpedal than anything "im just trolling bro"

[cold pilot]

my character is in almost bis gear, just need myth track upgrades

[chrome hull]

More humblebrag than meme

[cold pilot]

I'm sorry, I'm a piece of shit. I'll go hang out with the furrys in the Evoker discord as punishment 🙁

[undone beacon]

Incomprehensible memes?

https://tenor.com/view/needy-streamer-overloud-needy-girl-overdose-kangel-omgkawaiiangel-psyop-gif-11634454542097293728

[chrome hull]

Dracthyr lyfe

[lusty grotto]

i ran a key to get data for something and completely forgot to take the screenshot out of combat

off to the mines i go again

[outer willow]

That’s my secret. I love setting up UIs

[heavy sparrow]

[ivory barn]

we are gaming now

[celest aurora]

83% now after i added the sound alert to dropping SB , i guess i just need more practice

[warm plinth]

83 is definitely decent! Getting there

[celest aurora]

I panic so much on the moments i dont have rage and no SB xD

[lusty grotto]

you need to stop spamming IP

your rage should never go below 30 rage (which is whats needed for SB)

always between 30 rage and 70 rage

70+ rage you IP

[celest aurora]

I think i had no charges up at some point too

[lusty grotto]

that shouldn't happen with HR

[warm plinth]

Are you shield charging on cooldown? Are you running into the fray without enough haste?

[lusty grotto]

dont spam it

hes not running ITF

[warm plinth]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

i went over his logs already

[warm plinth]

Copy that

[lusty grotto]

but yes remember SC applies SB

use on CD

[celest aurora]

Yea

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TbqPpMy3Kj1FNDW7?fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=1

this is the latest

but it was pretty chaotic, one guy went offline and we kinda 4 man most of it

[lusty grotto]

right but that shouldn't have relevance on your SB uptime

[celest aurora]

True, im just bad haha, i just need to play more i guess idk

[lusty grotto]

youre not bad, just inexperienced

[stoic hound]

wonder what is update on eu servers

[proud dock]

are people saying "i have no wall" to mean defensives nowadays?

[lusty grotto]

yes

not nowadays

[proud dock]

funny cuz i can only think of wrroir iwall lol

[lusty grotto]

thats old as fuck

kick = interrupt
wall = defensive

[proud dock]

oh weird i just remember defensives

[lusty grotto]

kick is rogue's interrupt after all

[proud dock]

ye

[lusty grotto]

people have been saying wall for decades

it originates from pvp

at least from TBC

[jagged gust]

Good ol' giant floating head boss

[crisp ocean]

when youre taking a lot of damage with all your defensives up, what do you do

[lusty grotto]

trust your healer or health pot

[jagged gust]

depends on where the damage is coming from

[lusty grotto]

or press impending victory

[jagged gust]

can always ping for an external

[lusty grotto]

healthpots are like 3g each r1

and even the r1s heal a massive amount

im always surprised at tanks that dont use them

[crisp ocean]

i'll get more logs out, cuz idk what im doing wrong and I wanna push to 3.4

[cerulean tusk]

Consider options

One choice might to simply not take dam, just leap away

[tribal wharf]

need to find a way to get 7 more mounts

i guess 3 are coming tomorrow

[toxic pewter]

What’s happening tomorrow

[crisp ocean]

trading post

[tribal wharf]

trading post resets

[toxic pewter]

Oh right

[crisp ocean]

alr ty

[tribal wharf]

and i have 700 extras ready

so that ensures i'l be able to get all 3 mount

[crisp ocean]

they making sets

[cerulean tusk]

700 what now

[crisp ocean]

for all the classes I think

[tribal wharf]

700 bonus tender

that does not expire

[cerulean tusk]

Tender expire?

[jagged gust]

I've always wondered about leap in those scenarios, considering our z axis is a little funny can you still take melees midair and can they be blocked

[tribal wharf]

yes, like the earnable tender

if you dont spend it

pretty sure it goes away

[cerulean tusk]

Tender gained, is never lost

I got 10 if not 20k of that

[tribal wharf]

really? lol

i just spend the stuff mostly

i need the 350 mount for my DF set

[jagged gust]

every like 3-4 months they release some banger outfits

[tribal wharf]

oh, for me never the transmog full sets

[cerulean tusk]

i just buy the recoloured hood

[tribal wharf]

i always go for shield, weapons, and mount

shield, is i collect every one i can get

[jagged gust]

I have like 3 mounts I like using, never bother buying those myself

[tribal wharf]

i almost go out of my way

i dont want to have 700 mounts

but 350 is good

[cerulean tusk]

I got my greyfox, i got my teldrasil hippogryph and i got my yak

All i will ever need

[jagged gust]

I got the one that turns you into a bird and he holds the shield and weapon in his feet, never fails to make me laugh

[tribal wharf]

400 mount would be nice also

but i have some other model of it

[jagged gust]

There's also a kitty mount that meows whenever you take off from the 6 month sub from a few years ago, shit is cute as hell

[tribal wharf]

i feel like the sets from trading post are like, pretty good

just aint what i would personally spend on

[toxic pewter]

They should just give everyone all the trading post stuff

Like u paying a sub? Ok fine have all of it

[tribal wharf]

there was like 5 mounts i got just now out of old world crap

[red otter]

How would they monetize it then?

Gotta think these things through

[crisp ocean]

blizzard too greedy for that

[lusty grotto]

apb 10/10 bait

you got a couple of bites

https://klipy.com/gifs/clapping-applause-69--k01KQGHW707DTKKXKVD0H3EZGHP

[wicked lantern]

If I wanna do max dps for weekly keys, is the play Mountain Thane or Colossus

[lusty grotto]

@naive ravine im working on it dont worry

just need to find a dumbass myth raid boss thats just standing there and i dont have to waddle through trash

and redo keys

or at the very least remember to take a screenshot out of combat

[outer willow]

You guys thought I was playing about the cookies. Come through. Cookies for all the homies.

[toxic pewter]

Whoa I was just shopping online for some nespresso pods lmao

[outer willow]

Chocolate ones are legit

[toxic pewter]

Can I has cookie plz

[outer willow]

Golden Carmel too

[outer willow]

Absolutely

[toxic pewter]

Ooh sounds yummy I will look into it

[jagged gust]

Don't forget the MSG!

[outer willow]

I’ll make them in shield block shapes

[outer willow]

Hahahahaha don’t look behind the curtain!!

[undone beacon]

fuck yeah plz share

[lusty grotto]

whoever says msg is bad in 2026 when it has been disproven to cause herpes or what-the-fuck-else is behind the times

and deserves a gallon of msg

in their food

[outer willow]

Making two big ass batches. I’ll have TOO many.

[lusty grotto]

which will make it delicious

[jagged gust]

apparently it just makes literally everything better

[outer willow]

Damn right

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

i have zero opinions on msg because i dont eat food

[jagged gust]

i needed my eyes opened, i had no idea you could just toss it into your muffins or cookies and suddenly they're the best thing in the world

[undone beacon]

pretty sure its kosher tho so thats chill

yeah msg is kosher

[toxic pewter]

MSG is a helluva drug

[lofty warren]

just dont put it up ur nose it burns

dont ask how I know

[warm plinth]

How do you know

[lofty warren]

i put it up my nose

[undone beacon]

holy FUCK

[pastel summit]

Pepe pfp snorting msg

[undone beacon]

pepega snorting msg is my new fav thing

[pastel summit]

Is that so

[undone beacon]

how else do i keep a delicate femboy figure

[pastel summit]

Also ain't no way we putting msg in cookies

[pastel summit]

I too enjoy the wow diet of malnutrition

one sugar free energy drink for the day, please

[ivory barn]

just tanked my first 12... oh boy did that feel weird

[warm plinth]

Idk why i expected a different answer but that makes sense.

[lusty grotto]

meanwhile rat consuming 2400 calories a day to bulk

i am having a tasty cake

while mathing

and afking in silvermoon

and while pestering poor ghash in dms for old TC stuff

[undone beacon]

could be watching this epic LBV prog

[undone beacon]

i eat rocks and dirt and grass and worms from my yard

[lusty grotto]

i dont wanna bother the crew

[undone beacon]

we vibin. Its mostly people fucking up the soak positions thats killing us

[errant wagon]

I did something wild for my LBV prog to help with the heal absorbs and it worked but also was dumb.
Talented into last stand to just heal off ticks every round lol https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:hjmFMz7vZpxKW8XH?fight=10&type=healing&options=2048

cus dps were not doing ok with the aborbs

[pastel summit]

Those don't sound very tasty

[undone beacon]

im on heal absorb team

priesting it up

[undone beacon]

beauty is pain and im mentally ill

[pastel summit]

I remember apples and tea being pretty good

chicken and tuna, too

[errant wagon]

you play priest in raid?

[pastel summit]

open prot channel look inside

disc priest

it's like hey that's the wrong kind of shield

[lusty grotto]

are you saying we have an impostor!?

take him away guards

[errant wagon]

I suppose it has a shield in some sense

[lusty grotto]

he plays SP though

[errant wagon]

🤮

[lusty grotto]

wait how did i know that, i dont know this person

guards dont arrest me

[undone beacon]

fuck i hope the farmers market has apples this weekend when i go

[undone beacon]

yeah im prog raiding as shadow this tier

I'm our only priest, the healing priest ragequit

someone has to mass dispel the vanguard

https://tenor.com/view/swd-shadow-word-death-spriest-sod-classic-wow-gif-14548584679132944772

[errant wagon]

umm excuse me you can use shattering throw!!!

[lusty grotto]

it didnt work on the first week

only MD

so unless that was fixed somehow...

[oak ivy]

huzzah, paladins down with a natty 98

[errant wagon]

gratz!

[undone beacon]

easy enough to delay my opener and drop a mass dispel tho

ayyyy nice!

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[drifting basin]

Question, is there somewhere other than wow analyzer that I can put my logs to get some idea of what I'm doing wrong? I've tried putting it in there but I don't get back anything other than what buttons I've pushed.

[lusty grotto]

no

but you can post em here

and we can go over them

[drifting basin]

Oh god. Direct criticism...

[undone beacon]

we're kind here usually

as long as you dont fight us on advice

[pastel summit]

Last Stand is good and rat is bald.

[lusty grotto]

abelito was asking about the changes early midnight but i dont think he went around to update wow analyzer, so i suggest you dont even try it

[heavy sparrow]

Archon app kinda nice with the auto video recording and your skill usage kinda helpful for the average joe when reviewing logs too

[drifting basin]

Well, I just got my ass handed to me by another prot war. Got my first H crown kill tonight and I parsed a 20 and he parsed a 93 so clearly I'm doin something wrong.

[lusty grotto]

i guarantee your CPMs arent good then

and uptime is suffering

but hard to say without seeing logs

[drifting basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/eshradora

[lusty grotto]

whats the ilvl parse at

[drifting basin]

273 for me

[lusty grotto]

no, this

yeah your skill usage isnt the best

youre thane

and youre using revenge when you dont need to use it

SS and TC/TB need to be at 15 casts per minute

revenge needs to be way down

TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Execute only if the other 3 are on cd

thats your prio as MT

Execute only in pure ST

[drifting basin]

Is execute actually worth hitting? I feel like it does such little dmg compared to everything else.

[lusty grotto]

in pure ST, yes

and only as thane

but

whats concerning is that your SS casts per min are at 5.7

thats super low

notice how its 2nd on prio

[drifting basin]

I might be blind but I feel like I send it on CD

I need to pay more attention to it

Gotcha

[lusty grotto]

and whats also concerning is that youre just spamming revenges

when you shouldn't

thats why your damage is suffering

thane does not buff revenge, thats colossus

thane buffs TC and TB

and SS is your primary rage generator so its always extremely high up in prio

[young wasp]

If Shield slam is not on cd you're trollingg as thane 99% of the time, ye

[lusty grotto]

and it slaps when outbursted

plus phalanx...

[drifting basin]

I would've put money that I was using clap and slam more than that but fuckin I guess not

[lusty grotto]

this is also a side point but you have 64% effective block uptime

this should be at least 90%+

[pastel summit]

Momma mia