i wouldnt care if pugs werent free roaming toddlers :p
#protection
compact silo
unkempt hazel
I keep tryna time a 15 nexus
compact silo
sometimes you luck and get that legendary pug group that mops the floor with the mobs but disbands right after the key
unkempt hazel
i dont think I had a run where we didnt get at least 2 deaths from crossing the lines
wicked lantern
i wouldnt care if pugs werent free roaming toddlers :p
toddlers that “???” you when the axes smoke your ass in AA 
that didn’t happen to me, promise
compact silo
lol. eh axes arent that bad if you keep half a dozen defensives just for that pull and they die fast enough 
compact silo
spellbound axe
unkempt hazel
at veximus?
compact silo
yes
unkempt hazel
what they do
wicked lantern
Smack you with arcane damage
drowsy comet
okay I did it, I got myself thr new D4 expansion 
oak ivy
that dung is sleeper nightmare to tank imo
compact silo
that dung is sleeper nightmare to tank imo
1st pull is hardest probably. after that it's fine
wicked lantern
My favorite wtf moment has been getting DELETED by the little sporelashers in Windrunner. Didn’t realize the big lasher gives them a nature damage buff, learned the hard way.
fringe mural
i am resisting the temptation for now, not enough time to play d4 and wow
compact silo
cuz you cant stun lashers on first pull but you can stun pretty much all mobs you need later
fringe mural
and work and kids
oak ivy
My favorite wtf moment has been getting DELETED by the little sporelashers in Wi...
wait what.
today i learned
unkempt hazel
wait is there a new expansion or what
fringe mural
yeah
compact silo
oak ivy
managed to get through that one on a 14 without knowing gg
unkempt hazel
like new new after the paladin
compact silo
but lashlings die fast. i think birds and not interrupting the bolt is more important
drowsy comet
i am resisting the temptation for now, not enough time to play d4 and wow
I honestly need a small break from WoW felt exhausted. And D4 I havent touched since last expansion lol
fringe mural
like new new after the paladin
The paladin was just a taste
now is the full expansion
unkempt hazel
says I have it
drowsy comet
Yea Pala was a lil treat
oak ivy
warlock
drowsy comet
then u have preordered it
drowsy comet
so nothing new then
new endgame, new campaign, 2 new classes, a level cap increase, and the typical D4 grind
unkempt hazel
guess i have to reinstall shaking smh my head
drowsy comet
Paragon to idk what level lol
unkempt hazel
I did like paladin tho ngl
but its a crime they didnt give it that armor guards have
drowsy comet
i loved Rogue
unkempt hazel
a CRIME
drowsy comet
legit fav class
unkempt hazel
before I was barbarin' it
drowsy comet
barb is also sick ye
fringe mural
it released only now?
2 days ago
drowsy comet
think imma play warlock, loved it in Diablo 2 Resurrected and its a pretty sick class
unkempt hazel
in d2 I was necromancer andy
there's just smth about having a skeleton army
prolly my favor thing in poe too
just an army of zombies and skeletons
drowsy comet
Hammerdin most iconic D2 build
unkempt hazel
I just smiled
drowsy comet
next to Sorc
drowsy comet
mf is the joker
drowsy comet
plz give us leapbarb in d4
there is
drowsy comet
people come up with the most random builds
drowsy comet
exotic flame
When am I pressing Shield Wall in M+? On heavy hitting abilities like Searing Beak on first boss in Spire?
But then again I can't shield wall every Searing Beak.
Shield Block is already reducing the initial hit damage by 40%+
drowsy comet
this shit takes so long to download man...
fringe venture
2nd day trying myth chima, this shit gonna melt my brain but I want to extra rolls for gaze so bad
jagged pier
Just dont bother
fringe venture
Jajajajaja
fringe mural
but only with pepega stats
fringe venture
It sims better when u get backshots tho, right?
drowsy comet
apparently saying some nono words gets you punished, gup was a bad boy
who needs to get punished
unkempt hazel
naughty boi
drowsy comet
naughty boi
unkempt hazel
i feel like every time I press any button
its just AHHHHHHHHH
try it with the something recalibrator
or the enchanting thing
lofty warren
https://youtube.com/shorts/-EmEW_doenY?si=OSFLNIAvlSaj2HZN
My name is pepega and i endorse this message
pulsar coyote
in general, are you guys using your bonus reroll to try and get Gaze trinket?
near dome
in general, are you guys using your bonus reroll to try and get Gaze trinket?
Yes i did and got it last week.
pulsar coyote
If i do it on Heroic, will i get a mythic track version then? or is that only on mythic +
vital stirrup
You get the vault lvl of whatever you are doing iirc
So for hc raid thats hc items
trim bay
is it ever worth flasking vers
drowsy comet
they know how to get people to buy skins in Diablo 4 lmao
cerulean tusk
I get what they are trying to do, but it looks kinda meh
drowsy comet
free the boobies!
dense glade
Is there a best dungeon to use your rolls on for prot?
coral quartz
Guys I’m currently just running the wow m+ build on wowhead generally set and forget probably ignorant of me. But is there any dungeons where you’d swap anything over just as I’m trying to improve, cheers.
Only running 14/15’s atm
heavy sparrow
Guys I’m currently just running the wow m+ build on wowhead generally set and fo...
Yeah
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heavy sparrow
Guys I’m currently just running the wow m+ build on wowhead generally set and fo...
Highly recommend icy veins and not wow head guide talents for this season since those talents made sense to the guy who wrote it
Start with those talents first and your healers won't be breaking their backs
coral quartz
Right that makes sense I have actually used icy veins as a guide in general as I heard that at the start it wasn’t right but weirdly I took the talents from wowhead
Thanks for the advice mate, appreciate it.
heavy sparrow
Anytime, play with what you like, but 1/4 is like the Olympic swimmer Mark Spitz, who joked at the 1972 Olympics that his mustache deflected water, aiding his 7-gold-medal performance so everyone grew mustaches to aid their performances in swimming
heavy sparrow
Helps to look at all key levels too
dense glade
What key were you guys spending your bonus rolls on?
coral quartz
Yeah fair, I’ll be honest had a bit of a setback recently and it’s knocked me confidence tanking so wanting to motivate myself again
opal vale
Mythic vanguard question, stepping in to replace brew tonight after a couple of 3-5% wipes last week. Can I just say I'll keep General at all times with spell reflect and we'll swap Commander as needed, and BDK keeps Senn? Minus any run out with ult points. Just trying to simplify rules as much as possible so we don't spend all night wiping to me learning it.
jagged pier
Ye pretty much
pastel geyser
they know how to get people to buy skins in Diablo 4 lmao
o wow that looks cool
glad i got into gold making on wow cuz i bought digital deluxe for tokens xd
for that sick pala armor
solid sun
Yeah fair, I’ll be honest had a bit of a setback recently and it’s knocked me co...
We don’t actually recommend archon
It isn’t a guide and aggregate sites can’t reveal why people take certain talents. Sometimes it’s simply because they copied some streamer so looking at archon or aggregate sites has to be viewed from a proper lens
daring marlin
https://youtube.com/shorts/-EmEW_doenY?si=OSFLNIAvlSaj2HZN
My name is pepega an...
except that won't make people wanna tank lol
Make tanks do more damage maybe
people get dopamine hits from big DAMAGE
solid sun
I think the only way to get more people to tank is to remove the higher sense of responsibility placed on tanks in dungeons (and maybe sometimes raid)
But idk how you do that
pastel geyser
add tank shaman and u get me maining tank forever
pastel geyser
But idk how you do that
making every tank as tanky as brew monk is a start
slender bison
I games where you have the holy trinity tanks will always be the fewest because it requires homework and happy brain chemical is rewarded much more via being a DPS
jagged pier
add tank shaman and u get me maining tank forever
This
solid sun
Well
slender bison
making every tank as tanky as brew monk is a start
They can't balance current tanks. Adding another one will make things worse
solid sun
I think cluster just revealed why it’s hard
pastel geyser
its more like they dont want to
cuz im sure its not hard
they balance for raid anway
they give 0 shtis about m+
solid sun
They just casually said tanking requires homework and it absolutely does not require more homework than any other role
pastel geyser
thats why bm isnt getting nerfed
well addin lidormi's guidance to any key lvl is a start
or making it so you can make your own
and mobs u want to pull are highlighted
solid sun
You can literally just press W in keys and get a higher score than most people achieve
Jakey is one of the best tanks here and champions press w every season
solid sun
Which honestly speaks to a community problem
pastel geyser
tank role is too mentally taxing for 80% of dps players
solid sun
And idk how blizzard solves that
pastel geyser
u can't really
solid sun
Even when they gave us the lindormi thing
Immediately people in the community gave tanks shit for using it lol
pastel geyser
tanks are just expected to be knowledgeable in wow
just like u need 5 y of experience for entry lvl job
pastel geyser
Immediately people in the community gave tanks shit for using it lol
ofc they did its the wow community
and im sure the blizz routes arent the best
they need to introduce it into the game as a customisable thing
solid sun
Sure they can build on it, but you can at least hit 3k just pulling the glowy dudes
And 3k is higher than most people get
jagged pier
but it always sucks to get blamed for dps mistakes
Just ignore it
Press w and vibe
I looked up no route and got to 3k
I did laat night for MC 13 but thats because i have run the key like once the whole season but that was also basically the w rpute i had done before
slender bison
W route in week1 is different than W route in week 4 when everybody's 280 and DPS cover tank mistakes
(or inefficient/illegal pulls)
If you want 3K in week1-2 on a non-meta tank, you need homework
slender bison
This season, agreed. Since it's undertuned. Past expacs, didnt really worked well
tidal pelican
How good is gloom-spattered dreadscale trinket for us in m+?
jagged pier
Bad
daring marlin
Adding more tanks makes it harder...how? lol
They could easily just add more tanks. Who cares
There will always be a gigafuck top tank anyway
cerulean tusk
Blizz greatest issue atm is that if they buff tanks, healers start to feel unimportant and stress of the bigger pulls will move unto them.
Now, I will agree that tank, especially BDK, feels like shit atm due to this new design philosophy. Yet, for their intended purpose, it is a solid one to follow.
daring marlin
They cant balamce 6 tanks doesnt matter if they add a 7th
true, real
bring on shaman and warlock tanks blizz
cerulean tusk
Dont at me
@jagged pier I could balance it
jagged pier
Then apply for the job at blozzard
jagged pier
glacial stratus
do logs not show how much rage was generated by instigate? is that note droppable?
fringe mural
What key were you guys spending your bonus rolls on?
It totally depends what you need
the more useful upgrades there are in a key the better
unkempt hazel
i spent mine on dn
fringe mural
i spent mine on dn
Deeznuts?
fringe mural
the big cheese gets a whole different meaning
dawn turtle
I am looking for a tank to play as an alt is prot viable compared to other tanks (ignoring brew though)
dawn turtle
gg 🙃
fringe mural
okay now read that again
Also read cheese statements from before
and decide if you want to take that clown seriously
jagged pier
do logs not show how much rage was generated by instigate? is that note droppabl...
It shows up as devastator
fringe mural
😄
fringe mural
You, you clown
dawn turtle
Well tbh my question was ignoring brew :p
unkempt hazel
unless ur going for top 1 spot
dawn turtle
How prot compares to bear, pali, dk and dh
fringe mural
clown
unkempt hazel
every tank is viable
fringe mural
How prot compares to bear, pali, dk and dh
Very fine
dawn turtle
Calma ty
glacial stratus
It shows up as devastator
oh shit, so it gives a crazy amount of rage, ty
pastel geyser
bear seems to be above the other by a bit tho
fringe mural
so good choice
pastel geyser
then brew is just in another tier entirely
dawn turtle
Yeah but bear was boring pre prune so yeee
ivory barn
Brew needs it's shins kicked
pastel geyser
how easy is brew to play
frost mage
dawn turtle
frost mage
Is frost mage easy xd?
fringe mural
frost mage
I don't know what i expected
pastel geyser
Is frost mage easy xd?
very
unkempt hazel
currently brew is pretty much bear simplicity
pastel geyser
brew is by far the easiest tank to play rn
dawn turtle
I main frost so was curious haha
pastel geyser
maybe bear is a bit easier but its harder to survive there xD
fringe mural
Frost mage has procs though
And needs to keep tabs on fingers debuff
i thought brew is just spin and belch
pastel geyser
dont try to make frost sound complicated
dawn turtle
I mean the fact that aoe and st rotation is 1:1 the same makes it pretty easy too
unkempt hazel
u aint spinnin as brew smh my head
fringe mural
u aint spinnin as brew smh my head
useless monks, not even spinning
pulsar coyote
Is pugging dreamrift mythic already doable for farming Gaze trinket with bonus roll?
or still a nightmare?
fringe mural
Is pugging dreamrift mythic already doable for farming Gaze trinket with bonus r...
depending on the group you get
and the time you have
pastel geyser
healer fight
unkempt hazel
Is pugging dreamrift mythic already doable for farming Gaze trinket with bonus r...
been pugging it for 4 weeks
fringe mural
and if you get invited or not
unkempt hazel
absolutely puggable
fringe mural
been pugging it for 4 weeks
You have been invited without achievement?
pulsar coyote
hmm oke
unkempt hazel
You have been invited without achievement?
well the first one yeah
fringe mural
and that one took how long?
pulsar coyote
just wondering if i should use my bonus roll on heroic version or try and pug mythic
unkempt hazel
only 5 hours
dawn turtle
Create a group if you wanna be sneaky
unkempt hazel
pastel geyser
just wondering if i should use my bonus roll on heroic version or try and pug my...
dont bonus hc lol
fringe mural
only 5 hours
What a chad you are
unkempt hazel
tbf by now it should be even easier
pulsar coyote
dont bonus hc lol
not worth it?
unkempt hazel
and as tank u dont even need to learn nothing
fringe mural
because you're a tank or because you have the kill acm?
pulsar coyote
true
unkempt hazel
mythc dream has like 0 new things
for tanks
can prolly add that to note
might get invited to ce only runs
dawn turtle
Just curious how do you select your gear? Since simming only does dmg?
unkempt hazel
quite often whatever sims best for dmg will do well defensively too
the only exception is the pure damage trinkets
there u kinda decide for yourself if u want the damage increase with no defensive benefits
I mean specifically trinks like void reapers contract n such
dawn turtle
Hmm yeah fair would be cool to be able to sim survivability and compare it with dmg
unkempt hazel
but our bis ones are all with stats so u get both anyway
tribal wharf
warrior is always first and fore most for me, post panda
has NOTHING at all to do with has the most armor of any class, and can collect every weapon appearance except wands
totally not why i made him
fluid widget
Where did yall spend your bonus rolls? Got double trinkets and dungeons seem fairly sparse for upgrade options
shrewd moss
hey y'all, I'm using Defensive Stance nearly 100% of the time in m+ except for damage amp phases where I know for a fact I'm safe to blast damage.
Is there any guidance for when to use DS vs BS in m+? I'm a total noob (been playing for like 3 months) and I'm doing 14s and 15s right now with 280 ilvl
tribal wharf
for me with bonus rolls literally none of them
cuz i log into warrior and try to do keys and collect vault and thats about it
been lazy about quests
daring marlin
hey y'all, I'm using Defensive Stance nearly 100% of the time in m+ except for d...
Just stay in dstance 24/7. The damage bonus in battle is a big who cares.
fluid widget
Especially since it’s so minor
shrewd moss
Shoot. I'm doing terrible DPS and was hoping that was the issue.
unkempt hazel
definitely not
tribal wharf
Dstance is like your car has automatic crash breaking protection
shrewd moss
looks like i gotta dig deeper into my logs and find out why my damage sucks
tribal wharf
if you have balls of steel, by all means play no BSV+ITF+bstance
shrewd moss
my balls are flesh, unfortunately
tribal wharf
just, if you do, expect the results, lol
jagged pier
looks like i gotta dig deeper into my logs and find out why my damage sucks
Or just send them
fluid widget
Shoot. I'm doing terrible DPS and was hoping that was the issue.
Compared to other prot warriors or in general
shrewd moss
other prot warriors
daring marlin
When going into dstance was a flat 10% reduction in damage done there was the last time we went into battle
shrewd moss
Should I send here or in log channel?
fluid widget
other prot warriors
What are the conditions you’re doing for sending IP?
tribal wharf
so, they wont bring back condemn, because clearly its too much overpowered right
shrewd moss
60+ rage, but I'm probably not consistent with it
jagged pier
Should I send here or in log channel?
Here
tribal wharf
how about, son of condemn
you can do it once on pull
but wait, then execute dmg sucks anyways
shrewd moss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9vCbGDfF8hWBNjYL?fight=last
^ here's a maisara caverns run i did. m14
Actually this m14 NPX is probably better. I'm 9th percentile lol
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yxYnZA1jadgLr26P?fight=4&type=damage-done
white swift
Hey folks, I wanted to ask since I'm tryna practice my pulls on M+. Are there any go-to content creators or folks who post vods of their pulls for reference?
jagged pier
Actually this m14 NPX is probably better. I'm 9th percentile lol
https://www.wa...
Wasted ragae in the second which wont help, but generally all pretty good, exepct casts are low like pretty low your kissing gcds
shrewd moss
I like Topicx
jagged pier
May also be pull size as well 
shrewd moss
I like Topicx
His vod for NPX was really helpful so I knew how to do first pull.
white swift
His vod for NPX was really helpful so I knew how to do first pull.
Ohhh, I'll check it out! Thanks
shrewd moss
Wasted ragae in the second which wont help, but generally all pretty good, exepc...
thank you! I feel like I'm typically mashing buttons to get GCDs, but I'm sure I'm hitting things that are still on CD and therefore not casting when i should
shrewd moss
Pull size is tough. I feel like I don't know the dungeons well enough / have enough game knowledge to know what to do
jagged pier
Record yourself u probably will be doing thag
shrewd moss
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
I've been trying recently to be more methodical
and only press what i know i need
but shits hard
jagged pier
Yes but get mixed gcds for us at least really hurts us
U miss a ss cast
That adds up
jagged pier
And send your rage, u were fine in one. Off in the other
shrewd moss
I've been prioritizing Revenge recently and forgetting to dump into IP
still dumping, but less of a prio
and that is a mistake
jagged pier
Just because your prioing revenge doesnt drop the casting of ip one is off the gcd and one isnt
Casting more revenges also wont net u more damage as thane at least
jagged pier
As both tc and ss are more worthwhile
shrewd moss
i'm saying that i've been focusing revenge and just forgetting to hit IP as much
on the first one i sent (most recent) i corrected for that i think
hence less rage waste (at least i think you said that)
got it!
I'm trying to follow this prio list. my focus on revenge is because i never fucking used it previously lol
jagged pier
Thats fair, takes time to get the balance right
shrewd moss
ivory barn
I'm trying to follow this prio list. my focus on revenge is because i never fuck...
Where do you cast Ravager? Use the proc one it's much nicer
shrewd moss
That's what I'm thinking, but I'm concerned I'm also just missing stuff
jagged pier
It there jist incase ppl use rav gg
shrewd moss
I'm not using ravager- i have the proc one
lofty glen
wait TC over SS?
ivory barn
It there jist incase ppl use rav gg
Makes sense 
jagged pier
TB
fallow depot
wait TC over SS?
this feels wrong
jagged pier
Before ss
shrewd moss
TB > SS > TC right?
fallow depot
blasting slamming clapping 
jagged pier
But thats minmaxy
fallow depot
me
jagged pier
was last season
I still do that, but it really doesnt matter anymore
ivory barn
The global between blasts is prolly SS for apex
jagged pier
I mean u dont play around apex really
That just happens naturally
U dont hold ss to tc/tb for instance
U just send ss
ivory barn
True, I catch myself sometimes trying to hold it
jagged pier
fallow depot
same, i'll be trying to press the shiny button more often
ivory barn
Need to blow it immediately
long epoch
can someone give me some light as to why we gem slots with haste/verst and not haste/crit (being our two best stats) - iv currently gemmed all +32 primary then haste/crit should i change over to haste/verst? im at 265 ilvl
jagged pier
plush tendon
can someone give me some light as to why we gem slots with haste/verst and not h...
first off, this looks like a Paladin so you should go to the Paladin Disc
jagged pier
Ask the ppl that do that
plush tendon
second; only haste is our best stat and we sim to decide which gem to slot
ivory barn
Who gems vers?
plush tendon
I do
rapid pelican
first off, this looks like a Paladin so you should go to the Paladin Disc
Lmao
long epoch
LOL
fallow depot
first off, this looks like a Paladin so you should go to the Paladin Disc
real
plush tendon
also, for me at least, Ill throw in what haste+stat gem looks good at the time
plush tendon
its +7 of a stat
plush tendon
7 vers or 7 crit aint gonna change anything
plush tendon
if thats from Wowhead, we currently dont reco wowhead
ivory barn
Go IV guides 
fallow depot
i recall hearing that all stats are equally important (after haste), but i'm shit at the game, so
plush tendon
^
remote tusk
yea, its written by a bear druid
If I mislead everyone I look better
ivory barn
I have 37 vers from 1 piece of gear if that helps
plush tendon
all stats are good; how good they are is based on each characters current loadout and sim
so its a ever changing and unique to you number
remote tusk
Strength/Item Level > Haste > Versatility = Crit > Mastery
fallow depot
same
plush tendon
🤣
fallow depot
i'll fix it soon 
plush tendon
so its hard to give you a hard rule to follow
fallow depot
i love haste
plush tendon
I got the bick Crown neck with like 200+ haste
daring marlin
first off, this looks like a Paladin so you should go to the Paladin Disc
mad pally tier owns???
plush tendon
so im really comfy now
fallow depot
won't ever play a low haste spec
remote tusk
Haste is better than no Haste
unkempt hazel
no haste is great
daring marlin
remote tusk
HDR was turned on so it looks like he bathed too much in the Light as well
unkempt hazel
apm is the main reason I can't play worrior no more
these wrists aint built for it man
ivory barn
Kinda funny, stat sim (pointless I know) is saying to get a mastery piece
tribal wharf
fallow depot
nice
tribal wharf
somebody was ragging on alex about transmog, basic human, sure
fallow depot
i like this
tribal wharf
but like, this is all 3 plate classes rolled up into 1
warrior, paladin (gold) and dk (horns)
plush tendon
that tiers tmog was wierd
they all had the same color pallet
and this weird rock vibe to em
tribal wharf
i think it looks so good
fallow depot
i just run a full maldraxxus set + banner
my favorite aesthetic
tribal wharf
compared to many other transmogs
ivory barn
I'd show you the mog I got, but the gear on the SS is wrong
plush tendon
thats the tomb remake
unkempt hazel
aye
ivory barn
I have this one on currently but replaced a ring last night
plush tendon
ivory barn
Why does that look like a dk and a pally hit a warrior
plush tendon
I love tier 6.... its why I have a hard time swapping off human for warrior
but I really like ICC and Ulduar armor on Dwarves
unkempt hazel
can u still get that
ivory barn
That place gives me nightmare
plush tendon
I think you can just go and do it
unkempt hazel
wicked
plush tendon
dont quote me on that
jagged pier
Man struck gold on trinkets
plush tendon
monk is super cool
ivory barn
Is the spell book still obtainable?
plush tendon
I think so?
plush tendon
its for doing all the challanges I think
unkempt hazel
but that sounds like a pain
plush tendon
so you have to do the healer challange
plush tendon
but that sounds like a pain
its a fun thing to work on
tribal wharf
i'll never do the mage tower because of 1 event
sharp gale
Tomb of Sargeras set model is one of my favorite
tribal wharf
every time i go to mage tower, its all i can hear and see
jagged pier
Tomb of Sargeras set model is one of my favorite
Yer its good
One of my tmogs is that set
I do need to go finish argus set at some point
unkempt hazel
its a fun thing to work on
what lvl do u need tho
sharp gale
I can’t really use it on gnome bc the helmet is weird
unkempt hazel
so ur telling me i can do it on 10
plush tendon
to cheese the gear a bit
you use stuff like old legos or MoP crafted gear
AKA: a timewalking set
ivory barn
I mean, you should be able to walk in there and just slap it dead
unkempt hazel
wicked
plush tendon
its fairly cheep to get a good timewalking set
unkempt hazel
altho ill prolly just do those 2 and call it anyway
I don't play mages imagine riding a book
makes no sense smh my head
(maybe eventually)
daring marlin
its fairly cheep to get a good timewalking set
Didn't they kill that?
fringe mural
back then it was quite the feat
i think today the scaling kinda sucks and you need to cheese a little
unkempt hazel
I member doing it on druid for the forms
fringe mural
also it was tuned for legion legendaries
unkempt hazel
I was doing the asmongold impression
fringe mural
i wasn't good enough to do the tank challenge back then
unkempt hazel
(hitting my head against the desk)
plush tendon
Didn't they kill that?
did they?
fringe mural
but i haven't really tried hard
fringe mural
i tried fury a lot and eventually managed to kill the big fat lady
for my artifact weapon appearance
fringe mural
login server seems to be down
i'm eu
sad, i don't want to do chores
ah now it works
thank god
ivory barn
i tried fury a lot and eventually managed to kill the big fat lady
I got prot before fury, but prot was so much trust the defensive on the end boi
coral quartz
Yeah
just tried a key there does it do less damage then wowhead build feels like it might slightly
IDK xD
ivory barn
IV guide is much better. I'm no longer a squish
icy terrace
Whats the go to guide for prot? Is there any doc written?
solid sun
Icy veins
daring marlin
did they?
pretty sure it all scales to you now
Unless mage tower is different from timewalking
undone beacon
Yeah the content scales up instead of you scaling down
Most of the fun timewalking sets dont work anymore
plush tendon
ivory barn
Might just full send prot need patch and say fuck fury
ivory barn
Bruh, watching that parse on Alleria kinda cemented the want to do that
Did you see it?
solid sun
Nah
fringe mural
the lion
the witch
and the audacity of this brother
just let it sink in a little
fringe mural
i'm close to crafting it in 3/5 quality to mess up his sparks
plush tendon
some people might just want the skill points
fringe mural
he forgot to set max quality
undone beacon
Providing crap mats and 100 gold is silly because you'd have to use concentration lol
plush tendon
oh, he didnt give max quality mat
fringe mural
yeah
plush tendon
yea, he made it literally impossible
fringe mural
not even possible with gold star
plush tendon
you can also do it and send a message to him saying 'need max rank mats for rank 5 craft'
ivory barn
I have the ability to make so much at R5, but how do you get people that need it
lofty warren
At 3280 io I'm apply and not getting invites for 16s on my pwar. I get invites to 15s pretty quick and easy.. but I've been sending 16 applications for 15 min now without an invite wtf is this
Is it illegal for pwar to do 16 or higher
coarse bay
Do your own key or finish off all 15s
daring marlin
Hi there you should try being a non purple or green dps. 🙂
coarse bay
Being tank doesnt mean that you deserve to get in people’s keys and skip levels
It means you get to make those choices yourself
undone beacon
Frankie Tank, the team lead behind tanks at blizzard.com, actually put out a post on Google+ about how prot warriors are being soft-banned in lfg andf wont show up when you apply to keys unless you put the secret Certified Tank Password in your note
cerulean tusk
To be fair, note tech been around for ages
undone beacon
Its our obligation Cam because we are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams
Some say you can only get the password by giving Frankie Tank a kiss on the lips
plush tendon
Being tank doesnt mean that you deserve to get in people’s keys and skip levels
true; in fact, I would say in the higher level keys, there isnt a tank shortage
people are MUCH more picky about what tanks they bring
undone beacon
When people take the time to push their own key up, they're gonna take what they feel is most likely to bring them success
cerulean tusk
I can stand behind that tho, currently tanks die like flies
plush tendon
and they can be; the rules that apply to lower key levels no longer apply the higher you go
coarse bay
One of the biggest things is that people dont want to do a key that isnt io
plush tendon
I remember doing like 19s/20s last season with no tank
coarse bay
Like 16s cap out around 3400 for resi, people closer to 3400 are competing with your 3280
plush tendon
and with the ease of gearing a new toon (especially now) so many M+ tank mains have already swapped to Brew cause they know the deal. If you want to pug IO, play meta
undone beacon
I'm considering leveling my demo lock because apparently demo is piss easy
plush tendon
Whether they need to or not is a entirely different argument, but this has been the way for years now
lofty warren
I timed like all 15s I should be qualified for the 16 invite
plush tendon
I'm considering leveling my demo lock because apparently demo is piss easy
Demo is really cool!
I leveled a lock and mage, but I prefered playing frost mage
undone beacon
Last time I played warlock was in SL and I didnt particularly enjoy it but its been a while so maybe I'd mesh better with it now, esp after playing a lot of spriest
undone beacon
Yeah but mage isnt io meta 
Demo is a contender
Frost mage does seem like fun rn tho
Though I did just nab a myth stare out of raid so my shadow is gonna be blastin
plush tendon
I thought meta was UHK, Aug, and Dev
jagged pier
I timed like all 15s I should be qualified for the 16 invite
No u havent timed a 16
lofty warren
Frankie Tank, the team lead behind tanks at blizzard.com, actually put out a pos...
Tried putting certified tank password in note, 1 guy wisp me and told me the is the wrong password. Correct pw is "BrewMaSTeR" (case sensitive)
plush tendon
regardless, I aint about that meta life
undone beacon
I thought meta was UHK, Aug, and Dev
Some people swap UDK for Demo lock
plush tendon
rather play some cool stuff
lofty warren
No u havent timed a 16
How can you be qualified for a 16 only by having timed a 16?
undone beacon
Still brings a rez, plus gate skips for dungeons like MT and healthstone
And giga dam
plush tendon
I timed like all 15s I should be qualified for the 16 invite
there is no 'qualified' in LFG
jagged pier
How can you be qualified for a 16 only by having timed a 16?
Thats how pugging works
fringe mural
How can you be qualified for a 16 only by having timed a 16?
they don't want to be the group you time it with
plush tendon
the only thing that matters is 'you are the most desirable'
jagged pier
They want to know the tank knows knwo what they are doing so should have a 16 timed
plush tendon
Just because you did everything on a 15 doesn't mean someone should be like 'oh, this tank is qualified to tank a 16'
lofty warren
Sounds like a circular requirement
undone beacon
Pepega did you spend time in the pug trenches in previous seasons or is this your first time cuz you want the 3400 saddle?
lofty warren
You can only get a job if you 3 yrs of xp. You can only get xp by having a job
plush tendon
this has always been the way in pug world
fringe mural
just send them a dpic and an iq test certificate
lofty warren
Pepega did you spend time in the pug trenches in previous seasons or is this you...
This is first time going up without being the "correct m+ tank" for the season
plush tendon
IDK what to tell you; its toxic and time consuming which is why people stop pushing M+
undone beacon
When people talk about 1% inflation because of the 3400 saddle, I just figure most people will end up in this kind of situation
plush tendon
or they just have friends with resil
fringe mural
or they just have friends with resil
your mom has friends with resil
plush tendon
your mom has friends with resil
lofty warren
1% for na is like 3600 now isnt it (like 2 full key levels above 3.4k)?
sharp gale
When people talk about 1% inflation because of the 3400 saddle, I just figure mo...
Ppl who does not understand statistics
fringe mural
yeah, the 1% do matter jack shit for the saddle
sharp gale
1% rio goes up bc of ppl at 1%, gaining rio
plush tendon
1% for na is like 3600 now isnt it (like 2 full key levels above 3.4k)?
3523
fringe mural
but it won't stay that way
plush tendon
itll keep going up
sharp gale
It is going up 70 rio per week rn
plush tendon
but theres 0 relevent historical data for a 1% bracket
fringe mural
so you have to chase the carrot
sharp gale
In EU
lofty warren
If i make 1 million alts and they all do a single +2 then will that make the top 1% threshold go down?
daring marlin
idk bro my only requirement for inviting people to a key is if they did that key one level lower
plush tendon
so no one has any idea how high itll go
daring marlin
I'm not inviting you for a two key level skip sry
fringe mural
If i make 1 million alts and they all do a single +2 then will that make the top...
yes
if +2 guys are in the pool
then yes
but it's not so much because of the +2, it's more because 1% is more then
sharp gale
Is more ppl*
lofty warren
idk bro my only requirement for inviting people to a key is if they did that key...
Agree with this. Either guy should have timed some other dung at the key level or have done one below.. or other cases like they are alt or have a really good comp fit.. or its a low key and you dont care
fringe mural
you have to be really really bored and maso to push 1%
fringe mural
Agree with this. Either guy should have timed some other dung at the key level o...
why would they care
they can just decline you and pick someone who has done it
as long as there is one
don't take that personally
look for another group and go on
sharp gale
He is talking about his own key requirement
lofty warren
Well sure. If worlds best tank is applying to my key and some guy who did like 1 level below then yes it doesnt matter, pick the world's best tank.
But in the real world the world's best tank isnt applying to the 16s
sharp gale
and they won't invite him
I won’t invite him yes
Overqualified ppl tag, I take overqualified ppl
fringe mural
exactly
in the real world a brew who only misses that dungeon for 16 resil will join
and they will leave you to rot in the queue
sharp gale
But tank privilege negates that a lot
lofty warren
Ok im sick of watching these 5 pending invites spin I'll try later. Its weird that 15s were super easy to get inv but starting at 16 ppl demand brew or mdi tanks
lament osprey
Cause prot can not self heal
fringe mural
Ok im sick of watching these 5 pending invites spin I'll try later. Its weird th...
clean your home, rub one out, do something useful
paint a picture of nim how you imagine him
lofty warren
clean your home, rub one out, do something useful
Yea by useful, apply to the same group on my brew and then completely throw the key for revenge 
fringe mural
tenderly caressing your bald head
daring marlin
When you guys list keys you're getting people that have done that key level applying?
I can honestly say I haven't seen that.
It's always someone one or two key levels below it.
fringe mural
When you guys list keys you're getting people that have done that key level appl...
no but probably have done another dungeon at a higher level
fringe mural
It's always someone one or two key levels below it.
then maybe it's the 7 brews also applying
daring marlin
I don't care if somebody timed an 18 POS I'm not inviting them to my 17 MC if they haven't done a 16 MC.
lofty warren
When you guys list keys you're getting people that have done that key level appl...
Actually I havent listed a single dungeon this season since getting invites has been (up to now) pretty easy
daring marlin
I just haven't seen people that have done that key level on that dungeon queue up is all
daring marlin
Actually I havent listed a single dungeon this season since getting invites has ...
lmao tank privilege
lofty warren
Well ur doing +18s? Only 1% of population doing those
undone beacon
tried to help a friend with a 13 skyreach and we get to 2nd boss room, im pulling and a rogue just leaps into another construct and chain wipes us 
undone beacon
I just haven't seen people that have done that key level on that dungeon queue u...
Usually people dont because theres no reason unless they cant get into the next level up and want to gamble for a 2chest or smthn
daring marlin
Usually people dont because theres no reason unless they cant get into the next ...
S'what I figure
I'll prolly do keys on pally tonight
daring marlin
I blast on ret
lofty warren
When is "non disruptive tuning" happening?
simple bridge
hey folks been wondering, is the gearing simular to last expansion where we prefere the extra ilvl from actualy drops over crafted with emballishment ?
frosty mango
Yes that is mostly true but imo it’s negligible
plush tendon
When is "non disruptive tuning" happening?
the .7 probably
Blizz hates rocking the boat on tuning this late into a patch
they usually also a do a rework or two during a .7 patch
sharp gale
Hunter got reworked again in .5
naive panther
Ive not had an issue with invites but my highest key is with friends. 17 but then have a bunch my best is 12. Just havent cared to play higher, just hasnt been that fun this season.
sharp gale
It’s the way, I just try higher keys to vault fill then until next week
naive panther
On my warlock i never get invites
The key system and grouping system needs revamped.
sharp gale
I don’t think it NEEDS one but I accept little changes
plush tendon
im not sure it does
im against a M+ solo que
If you want solo play, Delves are your content
plush tendon
No one will use solo queue if there is one
oh sweet summer child
I think the resil system is a bit too potent
sharp gale
To push ? I do not believe solo queue will be used no
daring marlin
resil owns
plush tendon
its great at low levels
once it gets higher, Its a absolute pain
to the point where to time a higher key, you want someone with that key, at the right level on resil
so you can prog it
and everyone is doing it pushing the score needed for .1 higher then it honestly should be
at least thats my experience with it
sharp gale
I preferred when ppl wanted to leech off my key over my resil key now
daring marlin
I like resil because it's like a checklist almost
K I need this key and this key and this
I'll get resil 18s eventually
If I care enough
brave rivet
Yes that is mostly true but imo it’s negligible
So a 289 bracer vs a 285 crafted with arcanoweave would be preferred or the difference is so minor it doesn't really matter?
plush tendon
I think its nice in theory, but for pushing for score it becomes a trickle down affect. Top team gets resil, they give resil keys to friends (or sell), who give it to their friends and so on and so forth
it punishes players pushing together
fringe venture
Can someone addopt me for a Chimaerus? 🤣🤣 Still didnt get to kill It yet!!!!😭
plush tendon
when the obvious strat is for everyone to go into LFG on there own and look for posted resil keys. When someone hits the new resil target, share wealth
rinse and repeat
frosty mango
So a 289 bracer vs a 285 crafted with arcanoweave would be preferred or the diff...
You can sim it to get a real numerical difference, but ultimately imo no, the difference is going to be so small it’s essentially nonexistent in the context of gameplay
You’d gain/lose more dps by missing a few gcds than you would by changing the piece of gear
sharp gale
when the obvious strat is for everyone to go into LFG on there own and look for ...
That’s how my guild is pushing
frosty mango
But if it’s technically better, why not?
sharp gale
Someone gets resil, everyone gets it the next few days with his
frosty mango
Or, they could just get rid of depletes and cut rewards for failed keys
You get loot but no crests
plush tendon
if they want to rehash the key system and make it more 'group oriented' I think they should just do it like delves
where you go to the dungeon and can choose the level
unlocking new levels as you complete the harder difficulty
granted, it would remove the need to even hold a key as people can now just do whatever dungeon they want
but IDC if thats the case and I think most players would agree; would also make farming for a certain item easier
as you wouldnt need to go into LFG and search the key you want to do
chrome hull
Not timed, no loot. No key bricks ever. People can actually try new routes, builds and tech if they’re not worried about bricking keys.
Keys are terrible design. I should be able to practice X dungeon with my friends over and over until it’s perfect. As it is, the only way I can do that is by pugging which doesn’t help me tune my group’s comp, pulls and cds
frosty mango
IMO a key should be good for any dungeon and either be charged or uncharged.
If your key is charged you can use it start any key. Clearing one key level would allow your key to be used on the next step. If you brick the key, it loses charge it doesn’t lose level, you just need to complete a key to recharge it
chrome hull
IMO a key should be good for any dungeon and either be charged or uncharged.
If...
I’d be fine with this compromise tbh
frosty mango
The concept of random keys is meant to drive community engagement but all it does is make getting the key you want a pain in the ass
mighty valley
so much of the community would end up just doing the same 10-12 eight times a week
then be like "why am I bored"
frosty mango
Ya but they already do that
chrome hull
If they want people to play all the dungeons have a weekly with clearing 6 as the goal. Crests reward or void core. Idc
Rotate the 6 required even. Or do clusters of 3 rotating (weekly) dungeons per quest
plush tendon
so much of the community would end up just doing the same 10-12 eight times a we...
I thought of that... but yea, people already do that
find key in LFG thats quick and easy
chrome hull
^
plush tendon
reroll their own key away from a icky key
if no luck, back to LFG
quite frankly, the thing that has made M+ boring overtime has been removing affixes
which I think was the correct play all things considered
but dealing with a different nonsense each week did add some variance to gameplay
chrome hull
Not being able to reset and go again after a bad first or fourth pull is wild imo
frosty mango
If you are bored in m+ then you are doing key levels that are too low
plush tendon
even higher keys can be boring
frosty mango
The entire point of the system is that it’s ever scaling so you can get to a level that’s challenging you
plush tendon
granted, people get HOURS of gameplay from M+
chrome hull
Maybe. Or maybe they’re tired of progging with penalties
frosty mango
Now don’t get me wrong there are some real barriers to entry for some folks but that’s more of a community problem
chrome hull
ive been really enjoying doing arena this season
Ultradon build?
chrome hull
Absorb trinket, there was an outlast build using it to solo 2v2. I don’t PvP anymore though so idk if it’s just a meme now
plush tendon
oh the Rextroy thing
tribal wharf
plush tendon
naw, Im just playing arms
tribal wharf
one of those
chrome hull
Transformers version please
chrome hull
^ Dracthyr fury war?
chrome hull
Hmmmmmm
plush tendon
oh yea, next tier is 100% a troll tier
tribal wharf
i have no context at all what that means lol
chrome hull
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drowsy comet
hammerdin time baby 🔨
undone beacon
This is the only thing i care about
spiral jetty
yeah that's a great mount
undone beacon
So it looks like .7 is:
Two reused Legion invasion points
Borrowed Power Runes
Single boss raid with flex mythic
Troll themed lorewalker cho quest
hatch dragonhawk eggs
Troll/Haranir chain to set up 11.2
Turbulent Timeways w/ DF TW
mighty valley
"Once unlocked, you’ll be entrusted with the Omnium Folio, a runic ledger containing powerful runes of power you can use in battle."
oh shit, the runic ledger contains runes
not only that... powerful runes of power
mighty valley
gotta make people feel like they got no choice to come back
daring marlin
This is the only thing i care about
An uggo mount
undone beacon
+1 mount baybee
daring marlin
+1 mount baybee
undone beacon
i gotta do like 15 more of the eversong void invasion point things so i can buy that mount
and then get the two from the ritual site this week
Thats an easy +3
dusky canopy
I’m excited for the borrowed power
Hope it’s engaging and makes my spec more better
mighty valley
would be crazy if it made it worse
solid sun
I don’t see on the .7 list the line about how many expected bugs there will be
spiral jetty
that's generous
solid sun
5 bugs my toon has to navigate due to their vibe coded slop is manageable
I’m so giddy about Harrow reading that sentence
ivory barn
AI wrote the post, it's ok
urban vortex
I keep falling over on 17 skyreach in the double stair room before the last boss(adepts, armor debuff dudes). I’m kiting (though maybe not effectively since space can be tight). Any tips y’all have?
mighty valley
5 bugs my toon has to navigate due to their vibe coded slop is manageable
i'm sorry but your toon has to suffer this slop to keep up the patch throughput
solid sun
So much throughput rn
solid sun
I keep falling over on 17 skyreach in the double stair room before the last boss...
The debuff drops pretty quickly so you shouldn’t need a ton of space to drop it
urban vortex
Are you moving after a certain amount of stacks or are you always moving? For the armor piercing dude are you just kiting that too?
solid sun
I believe the primary kiting debuff is the fire dot the adepts put on you. That isn’t to say you can’t kite the armor debuff either but I haven’t heard as much talk about that tbh.
chrome hull
Colossus shockwave talents. (Or just make your group use cc for once)
solid sun
And the fire dot isn’t a constant kiting situation. It’s like stun and backpedal type deal
Or strafe away because the whole debuff only lasts like 3 seconds
chrome hull
Or strafe away because the whole debuff only lasts like 3 seconds
For us strugglers, the platform is small and they still walk fast even with move speed reduc as you backpedal. It’s tricky for some of us 😬
solid sun
The main point I wanted to convey is that it isn’t a constant kiting situation
chrome hull
Yeah that’s fully true
Same but different, I want to know strats for the Nexus Point heal absorbs
urban vortex
Thanks boys
chrome hull
To better answer your question, Strafe kite like Rhino said to stay fast. Backpedaling (probably) won’t work. And clear often. How many you can sit on is up to your healers gear/skill.
Here’s a visual. 6m17s
lean whale
Been trying colossus in m+, damage feels solid. Is thane still much better though?
lusty grotto
Been trying colossus in m+, damage feels solid. Is thane still much better thoug...
its 4% better, yes
lean whale
Thank you!
lusty grotto
thats not massive, so play what you feel is more fun
chrome hull
I love colossus and really want any of the top 500(thousand?) wars in m+ to run it so I don’t look dumb using it over thane
lusty grotto
look dumb how?
mighty valley
blaze your own trail
lusty grotto
its a game, dont worry about people judging you, we aint
heavy sparrow
blaze your own trail
100%
mighty valley
do you look dumb if you listen to songs that aren't in the current top 10
jagged pier
literally only takes 1 person to run it in a top key
naive panther
I miss when coll had that giga dam. I did try it and it felt solid and tanky but missing that big hit fun.
chrome hull
“We wiped its definitely because you’re not Thane” type discussions
lusty grotto
thats not a thing
undone beacon
do you look dumb if you listen to songs that aren't in the current top 10
yeah everyone points and laughs at me
jagged pier
“We wiped its definitely because you’re not Thane” type discussions
dumb
hardy snow
and everyone will swap
I won't 
lusty grotto
furthermore colossus is 1% ahead in ST so 🤷♂️
chrome hull
Fair. I’ll try not to then. I really like the playstyle so I’ll keep at it
vital vale
is 6 defenders livable with bloodlust
mighty valley
yeah everyone points and laughs at me <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
skill issue, look cooler
undone beacon
skill issue, look cooler
i look sexy as hell but they just cant comprehend it
mighty valley
alright fine. time to listen to some meta songs
raw whale
Hey guys it's me, sorry if my question is dumb or i didn't search far enough but is there any particular reasons why bloodmallet is simming only 1 trinket and there are no options to find the best combination of trinkets ?
lofty warren
“We wiped its definitely because you’re not Thane” type discussions
On archon mt is the more popular one that means all the other ones bad also all other issues or problems and bc of tank. Bad tank.
plush tendon
Hey guys it's me, sorry if my question is dumb or i didn't search far enough but...
the best thing to do would be to use raidbots and sim all trinket combos based on what you have available
raw whale
Yeah i wanted to get the data without actually doing it 😄 Lazy thinking 🙂
plush tendon
otherwise, trinkets are pretty easy; if you have access to raid loot, any combo of Gaze, Heart of Mountain, Plume is bis
if not, Heart of Wind, Solerflare, Puzzlebox from M+ are decent
lusty grotto
bloodmallet has never simmed combinations
its always been single trinkets with a template profile
im about to slam some LFR to see if i managed to fix my fps issues
lofty warren
How raidbots does sims is a black mystery box to me. For me a 263 ilvl crit trinket sims better than 6/6 mythic plum but for others its different. Literally no idea why im following the stat priority as it is written and at 277 so not like im stacking mastery or some bs
raw whale
How raidbots does sims is a black mystery box to me. For me a 263 ilvl crit trin...
As Thane or Col ?
lusty grotto
As Thane or Col ?
dont pay attention to him
raw whale
Why ?
lusty grotto
hard to put into words, but be my guest if you want to do so
plush tendon
Pepega is a known rage baiter
and he gets Nim's knickers in a twist
been like that for years XD
lusty grotto
he still does not get sims are a character specific thing
and that means result A for character A vs result B for character B can be different and neither of those has a general answer for all characters
so he will keep looking for explanations outside of whats presented to him
fringe mural
I mean if it weren't a character specific thing no one would need to sim
Just one guy once
lusty grotto
right
fringe mural
Make a bis list for everyone and no one needs to sim again until next season
undone beacon
yeah one guy did sim for me and they made the bis list and now i dont need to sim
(this is bait)
fringe mural
does versa has a dependancy on other stats btw?
or does it just get stronger because the others get weaker because of dr
it's just flat x% dmg so it shoudn't have any dependancy apart from that
lusty grotto
it works as any other secondary
raw whale
he still does not get sims are a character specific thing
I used to doubt raidbot A LOT and couldn't get why we should trust simulations data from outside the game. It was before i get my hands full of fingers on the github and play around APL and stuff. So that's why i don't throw him under the bus !
raw whale
and that means result A for character A vs result B for character B can be diffe...
But this should be like the norm to know so i understand your perspective
lusty grotto
I used to doubt raidbot A LOT and couldn't get why we should trust simulations d...
im currently helping with the APL, so if you have any questions let me know
but no reason to tweak it otherwise
plush tendon
bring back neltharus
raw whale
im currently helping with the APL, so if you have any questions let me know
I think i already brought some issue i have with the talent Overwhelming rage which raise virtually the dps done with just adding rage pool
lusty grotto
as far as i know thats just working as intended
bigger rage pool means more opportunity for spenders
iirc were you the guy that asked about it months ago?
because i brought it up with Mwahi and it really wasn't an issue
raw whale
Yes unless someone else talked about it
raw whale
bigger rage pool means more opportunity for spenders
My thinking behind it was since we're supposed to spend anyway before hitting cap, i thought it would be around the same, but that makes sense
fringe mural
I think i already brought some issue i have with the talent Overwhelming rage wh...
In the sim?
or where does it increase the dps