protection

[frosty mango]

You could gear full vers/mastery and I doubt the dps disparity would be that large

[lusty grotto]

stat weights havent been relevant for well over a decade either

thats why it has been unsupported in raidbots for like 3 expansions or more

[frosty mango]

Maybe the sim shows some difference but if we’re talking actual dps numbers in reality the actual stats aren’t going to make a massive difference, only the amount of them you have

[warm plinth]

Even if one hero tree likes haste more than the other, the only reason haste is particularly good offensively is that it enables Into the Fray, which is just a huge amount of value for one point (especially relative to the only other option, Heavy Repercussions). Other than enabling Into the Fray, haste is a fairly mediocre DPS stat and generally gets outsimmed well before you actually get enough for ItF.

In other news, I had half day at work today so already did gym

[lofty warren]

To get itf value do you tell ppl to stack on you?

[frosty mango]

No

The range is wide enough that if it’s a good choice it’s a good choice

No weird behavior needed

[warm plinth]

Besides, unless you're fighting a boss, enemies will give you the stacks

[autumn heron]

From the minimal knowledge i have so far, itf isnt being used with the measly 850 haste i have anyways

[drowsy comet]

After watching Topicx's +18 Seat PoV, I think I came to an conclusion that I might play pwarr wrong. I spend way too much rage for IP and for some reason I always want to fill IP to max stacks...But he only keeps Shieldblock active and Shield wall occasionally

[warm plinth]

It's not, but my point was that haste is valuable from a DPS perspective because it enables ItF, not because haste itself is a particularly great DPS stat.

[frosty mango]

The icy veins guide says this, have you not read it

[lofty warren]

True question is - how to actuately measure specs tankiness with numbers (not feelycraf

[lusty grotto]

After reading the actual advice we give in this channel maybe you would have come to the same conclusion but it is what it is

[warm plinth]

Like idk if you played in BfA, but it's similar to Bastion of Might

[drowsy comet]

Yea...

[lusty grotto]

maybe pay attention instead of posting the most random shit

[warm plinth]

Mastery wasn't our best DPS stat, but it gave so much that it was still worth it. Same concept with ItF

[drowsy comet]

Reading certainly is a skill

[frosty mango]

By first defining what “tankiness” means

Quantitatively

[autumn heron]

I almost always press IP cause i dont trust pug healers. Especially if theyre used to vdh or brew

[lusty grotto]

then practice that skill here: #protection message

[frosty mango]

Well I got news for you - that ip isn’t saving your life

[drowsy comet]

Will try that in a +10 tomorrow, literally gotta see this myself with pugs

[lusty grotto]

brother you press IP regardless of healer or healer skill

[warm plinth]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

[lusty grotto]

trusting the healer means nothing

READ THE WALL #protection message

[lofty warren]

Well tankiness is generally "ability to take damage without needing extra input/resources"

So that

[frosty mango]

You could press IP zero times and it would almost certainly make next to no difference in your health level

[drowsy comet]

Nim might yap alot, but his yapping actually helps, even tho hes sometimes abit grumpy in this chat

[frosty mango]

Except in very specific situations, like entering a pack with a full stack of ip and your healer is lagging behind then it MAY have some marginal role in you not dying but I doubt it

[autumn heron]

Why does spamming IP feel so good then

[frosty mango]

Do you really want me to answer that

[lusty grotto]

i swear im getting baited rn

lets recap

• stat weights

[lusty grotto]

• IP because i dont trust my healers

ok whats next

[autumn heron]

IP spam*

[lusty grotto]

are you also playing 1/4 apex?

[lofty warren]

Yes want you to answer this #protection message

[autumn heron]

No, do you want me to ?

[frosty mango]

Yes. Then you’d have the stereotype trifecta

[lusty grotto]

no, but it could complete the "so absolutely massively incorrect in everything" trifecta

[frosty mango]

You can’t mathematically calculate tankiness in wow easily because to even define what tankiness is, is highly ambiguous

[lofty warren]

I just did

[frosty mango]

No you defined it anecdotally

[lofty warren]

How much healing does a healer need to put into ur bum

[frosty mango]

That’s ambiguous, doesn’t account for various factors

[warm plinth]

Unless the answer is 0, it's irrelevant

and it's never 0

[drowsy comet]

Because its a sin

[lofty warren]

In a +20 key

[autumn heron]

If its wrong to talk about wanting to Spam IP cause i feel like im gonna die if i dont, then take it as a bait i guess 🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

It's not wrong to talk about it. It's just wrong that doing so is going to save you

[lusty grotto]

its wrong because if you spam IP you rage starve and then you die faster

[drowsy comet]

Nim is gonna slaughter somebody here if anyone is mentioning spamming IP

[lusty grotto]

IP is a partial absorb that caps, its not a heal

[autumn heron]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

Yes

Yes, read the wall of text: #protection message

[autumn heron]

Thats why i tend to use vr alot when below 40% hp Is that also bait

[frosty mango]

What is vr

[autumn heron]

Victory rush

[undone beacon]

vengeful retreat

[warm plinth]

You should use Impending Victory as much as you need it

[frosty mango]

Impending victory?

[warm plinth]

It's cheap and huge

[frosty mango]

It’s a free health pot every 20 seconds just press it if your health is dropping

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean that's completely different

[drowsy comet]

We should make this a command ngl.

@ionic fern use your mod powers and make this wall of text a command

[lusty grotto]

no

its too massive for a pin

[warm plinth]

But one is a heal. One is a mitigation tool, and a secondary one

[frosty mango]

We don’t have bots in the warrior discord

[lusty grotto]

and also its in Mwahi's guide

[frosty mango]

We have real mods

[drowsy comet]

we dont have reactions, we dont have bots. Man

[warm plinth]

We used to have Eyir, who sucks, but even Eyir is gone now

[lusty grotto]

this is literally protection warrior 101

[daring marlin]

@gilded tendon u suk

[warm plinth]

OG Skyhold knows what I was trying to do there

She doesn't respond to it anymore

[daring marlin]

I AM DISAPPOINTED

[warm plinth]

Guilford I did 3.6mph and 1% incline today for 30 min

📈

[daring marlin]

bro's trucking

[undone beacon]

getting ready for the skyhold backbacking trip

[daring marlin]

I'll bring extra sandbags

[frosty mango]

I hurt my back installing a toilet and did 3 hours at a 0 percent incline while horizontal with a heating pad

[warm plinth]

And Pash getting ready for next year's 5K

[daring marlin]

you have to ruck with a 100lb sandbag with me @undone beacon

[warm plinth]

Recovery is important too

[drowsy comet]

Wait why u need a heating pad

[undone beacon]

that would probably break my fragile body in half

[frosty mango]

If pash rucked I don’t think he could move

[warm plinth]

Heat helps back pain

[drowsy comet]

ohh

[daring marlin]

hyperextensions are super good for back pain

pigeon stretches too

[warm plinth]

You're a pigeon stretch

fuckin gottem

[undone beacon]

gottem

[daring marlin]

not like this!!!

[frosty mango]

Not carrying a 150lb toilet up a flight of stairs by yourself is also good for back pain

[drowsy comet]

and I feel old when my bone crack

[daring marlin]

sounds fun

[undone beacon]

real and true

[daring marlin]

toilets are awkward af too

[jagged gust]

ooooh my brother just bought one of those hyperextension getups, you can lock your feet into it too and fold it striaght and invert yourself in it

its fucking amazing

[solid sun]

I'm a plumber.

I do toilets.

[frosty mango]

I wish they made those for Roidburg size people

[drowsy comet]

there are adult diaper yall, just a tip..from a young gup

[frosty mango]

I do toilets, does that make me a plumber?

[warm plinth]

When I do deadlifts or reverse crunches, my lower back sounds like popcorn

[outer willow]

Vault was kind. It’s time boys. Time to end the season. The push to 3k

[drowsy comet]

lol

[undone beacon]

Doin yo mom

sorry

[warm plinth]

Doesn't hurt and isn't uncomfortable, but it yells

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah brother go crush it

[solid sun]

honorary plumber

[outer willow]

This is not a bad thing

[frosty mango]

Shit I sound like this when I roll over

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-femboy-gif-26334068

[outer willow]

I do it for the honor of the warrior

[warm plinth]

Don't you tell the femboy to shut up

[frosty mango]

Too many hours in the field

[warm plinth]

He's a precious angel

[jagged gust]

We both fit and we're 6'1-2 and like 220-260lbs

[frosty mango]

I’m fit in the way you’d expect a worlds strongest man contender to be fit if it were the off season

I fit in my jeans - must be ok

[outer willow]

My wife wants me to be 100 pounds more than her

I’m trying to eat

[warm plinth]

That's a weird request

[drowsy comet]

im a precious angel and still young & sexy. Not many can say that about themself

[jagged gust]

just carry her on your back

[drowsy comet]

[jagged gust]

easy weight gain

[outer willow]

It was tongue in cheek, but you know she want it

I cut down to 180 and I think she liked when I was 210

So it’s time to BEEF UP

[tribal wharf]

that affix add didnt really seem overly scary but it was just a 10

[warm plinth]

GET SWOLE

[tribal wharf]

someone said 7 out of 5 scary

[drowsy comet]

thats way too many details man

[jagged gust]

oh god, I was skin and bones at 180, that was me with the stomach flu for a week and a bit

[warm plinth]

I found a pic of me when I was around 220

I thought I was chubby then

[outer willow]

I’m TRYIN

[frosty mango]

If I weighed 180 I think I’d look like slenderman

[drowsy comet]

nice garage

[outer willow]

Ty

[jagged gust]

that is a nice garage dang

[outer willow]

No cars allowed

[drowsy comet]

u have 2 healthy legs, you can walk. No need for car

[jagged gust]

why arent we just hanging out at Nicks place?

[drowsy comet]

that black theme really looks good

[outer willow]

10000%

[opal ledge]

i'm seeing logs and warrior is the one that requires less healing right?

[outer willow]

I live in a walkable city too.

[frosty mango]

Do you and your wife have matching Hondas

[outer willow]

It’s a long story. But yes lol

[frosty mango]

@lofty warren ?

[drowsy comet]

no car, smh

[outer willow]

Come through!!

[jagged gust]

I'll bring the Asahi!

[drowsy comet]

Lets do a trip and walk there

[outer willow]

916! See you guys soon.

Baking cookies tonight too

[jagged gust]

oooh i hope its molasses ginger

[outer willow]

It’s birthday cake. But damn those sound good too

[drowsy comet]

whats that

[jagged gust]

They're like gingersnap cookies but chewy

[drowsy comet]

ohh

man its 23:18 evening and I get hungry just from reading that lmao

[plush tendon]

its no Gaze

but itll do

[drowsy comet]

Very nice

[lofty warren]

Yes thats what thw log shoea

[tribal wharf]

thats a spicy meatball

[stoic hound]

how do you fp in seat? shield charge + sw then leap to first chain (ignoring debuff from champions) and moving towards second chain?

[lusty grotto]

if you wanna die sure

death by a thousand charge bleeds

[opal ledge]

it's just 2 charges he can live

[lusty grotto]

in a 12, sure

[opal ledge]

i'm doing that on 15's and its fine

[outer willow]

Lust first pull, pull 3 packs. Kill. Pull last 2 one at a time.

That’s how I do it

[lusty grotto]

thats not saying much

[outer willow]

Never failed me

[opal ledge]

even in higher keys, that's not likely to go past your bsv

[coarse bay]

Just backpedal/side strafe to next pack

[lusty grotto]

Petri its not ok to normalize bad play

just

please

get it through your head

mr. "back hits are inevitable"

or what was it

i dont even know how to put it, was it something like "oh yeah back hits are fine as long as you pull fast"

[opal ledge]

back hits are fine if you can survive and it will make your dps make mroe dps faster

[lusty grotto]

we're in a discord expected to teach people how to improve

not shrug off missplays

[tribal wharf]

www

[coarse bay]

At a certain level back hits wont be survived

12-15 keys arent a benchmark

[tribal wharf]

if you need engineering points, do recycling on about 1500 of these NOTE u need to have 10 points into recycle

[stoic hound]

no, I mean the very first pull movement. You need to grab first pack and two chains

[opal ledge]

is this a discord expected to teach people how to improve?
or is this a discord to gather and connect warrios?

[lusty grotto]

charge middle, clap, strafe left clap, walk to the pack that is left, clap

thats it

[lusty grotto]

the first one

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[tribal wharf]

i did this to learn all of the recipes that can be got from recycle, and i got +29 knowledges for crafting all of them

[coarse bay]

If you want to spread that stuff go to general or off topic

The spec discords are always for questions etc

With good answers

[tribal wharf]

its the cheapest option you can use that i found

[lusty grotto]

or here: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/classes/warrior/42

or here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/

[opal ledge]

you can also... charge, stun, leap go bak to middle and the champions will not charge

[lusty grotto]

as long as youre within distance, sure

[opal ledge]

you charge to the second pack while the champions are stunned

[lusty grotto]

but he didnt specify such a thing

he asked a blanket question without context

[warm plinth]

Shhh why are we yelling

Be nice to each other

[autumn verge]

alright fellas, i havent been able to sim it as its giving me grief on raidbots. but question for ya

2 set myth rings from SEAT or one myth and one hero from NPX, which would you guys take?

[daring marlin]

imma yell at you bro

[outer willow]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-aoi-todo-jjk-clap-gif-11247894595053887600

[warm plinth]

Literally haven't read anything in 20 mins btw

[outer willow]

Literally this

[warm plinth]

Just saying random shit

[outer willow]

Over and over

[warm plinth]

Only if I bitch out in gym

[daring marlin]

YOU BETTER NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[warm plinth]

I'm not

I push it to the limit

[daring marlin]

OK GOOD

[outer willow]

No other way. Get it.

[delicate iron]

If I remember correctly, you can pull both side packs from distance and the champions will not initially charge to you. Can someone confirm?

[opal ledge]

you can also range pull with heroic throw, they will not charge

[daring marlin]

man

I wanna run npx on my lock but I got SR, MT then SR again

boooooooooooooooooooo

[stoic hound]

@opal ledge @delicate iron yep, just tested in m0 -- they does not bleed you if pulled via ht

[opal ledge]

that is bad play, its not ok to normalize bad play Nimchip, walking like a slug to grab the 3 packs is the worse option.
you can... stun champions and leap to next pack, or can range pull with heroic throw... or even just decide to tank up to 2 charge bleeds.
strafing to both packs is the worse option

[tribal wharf]

im deletin interven

i think

[lusty grotto]

no its fucking not

[coarse bay]

Why are you being petty when you know what you said

You literally said taking the charge is fine

[tribal wharf]

never a good use to it

[opal ledge]

they only apply bleed if you leave his meelee range, since you are already outside they will not charge... but IF you heroic throw and walk back, you might get a charge, so if u ht stay still over move towards the champion

[lusty grotto]

if your key isnt timing because you took 1 second to just shift and clap, its not a pulling issue

youre delusional

[opal ledge]

yes taking up to 2 is fine, people do it in high keys too

[lusty grotto]

and im done with you

[coarse bay]

No

[opal ledge]

yep

[coarse bay]

Send me a log of a warrior taking 2 charges in high keys

[opal ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DbQYV1GMZ6kN9zd4?fight=10&view=replay&position=15968

that's part the reason you play BSV, to make better pulls

[coarse bay]

So bad play and high risk to save seconds

[opal ledge]

that's subjective, a bad play might be just walk like a slug

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto my brudda

i got my cake

and im eatin it too

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-awesome-gif-14611487

[fringe mural]

There's literally no reason to eat the charges

unless idk you want to pull the entire room with bsv or smth

but then you need to jump in the middle and pull all 5 lol

Might be close enough to each pack to not get charged

[pulsar radish]

9Does sim take into account the Voidsong Chain passive? Got Hero version in Vault, have voidclaw gloves and ring passive to proc the shadow damage. Currently have the Aching Grief Neck 6/6 Mythic, and its saying the voidsong chain is decently worse? (I know probably dumb bc yada yada listen to sim, but thet neck always seemed insane)

[lusty grotto]

it should yes

[daring marlin]

NIM I'M GONNA GET ALL 8 KEYS DONE WITHOUT HAVING DONE A SINGLE NPX I SWEAR

I'M GONNA JUMP

[lusty grotto]

[pulsar radish]

dang, bc this necklace seems insane im just stumped at how its worse even at hero compared to mythic

[lusty grotto]

it'll probbaly do better when you're ilvl capped

[pulsar radish]

i might just fuck around and take it and see

[lusty grotto]

link the sim

[pulsar radish]

either that or getting hero boots to mythic but that seems less fun

[lusty grotto]

well you see

thats why

boots have STR

[lusty grotto]

primary stats sim higher

[pulsar radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iD5TsNPuqfnJzXkAgMAaZj

[lusty grotto]

that will change with seasons

[pulsar radish]

lmk ur thoughts on that dogshit

[lusty grotto]

later seasons favor secondaries and cantrips more than primary stats

first seasons favor primary stats more

[lusty grotto]

just take the neck if its rare

its simming lower because of haste

you're probably overloaded with it

if the sim seems to lean towards having haste sim lower, we ignore that

[pulsar radish]

whats the DR for haste?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter, we dont care for it

not this season

later seasons, yes we will care

[severe star]

I wonder what the highest possible haste is

[pulsar radish]

gonna take the neck and yolo we'll see

thank you

[lusty grotto]

wait

[pulsar radish]

im waiting

[lusty grotto]

thats a hero neck lmao

[pulsar radish]

yeah thats WHAT I SAID

LMFAO

its from crown

[lusty grotto]

the fuck are you picking a hero track neck for

you have a myth track

[pulsar radish]

to bool

the passive is sick in combo with my gloves

[lusty grotto]

not at the cost of ilvl

[pulsar radish]

and i saw a bunch of other warrs using it as hero bc of the proc

[lusty grotto]

and sims reflect that

[pulsar radish]

thats y i asked

[lusty grotto]

i was under the impression it was myth track this entire time lmao

[pulsar radish]

oh ya nah

if it was myth itd be in my inven already

[lusty grotto]

yeah no fuck that, just pick whatever else

[pulsar radish]

glad we cleared up that confusion

BELT IT IS BABY

all i needed was someone flaming me

shoulda added a a mean internet word in there towards me

[severe star]

is it 3mins or 5mins for ST sim

[lusty grotto]

either

[severe star]

cool

[lusty grotto]

you can compare results

but wowaudit defaults to 5 mins sims so most of us just runt hat

3 min is slightly more accurate since its a 90s x 2 cycle

(or 45s x 4 cycles)

[quaint fossil]

Can I SR the slam from voracious?

[lusty grotto]

the pins have a sheet for future reference but no

the slam is physical

with a magic omponent which is not reflectable

[quaint fossil]

Got it new to pwar, do we just general hit shield wall for the 2nd slam?

[lusty grotto]

you can hit both honestly

but yeah the harder hitting one is the 2nd one

[unreal sequoia]

So I think I made a misplay, not really sure if it is one but here we are. I have 289 bracers from like two weeks ago from a bad vault week. And I have a 289 weapon now.

I just bonus rolled and got a 272 myth cloak. My belt is also 289. Should I just make the acrono weave on the cloak anyway? Or should I replace my weaker ring or boots instead for pure ilvl?

I have 276 helm, neck, shoulders, cloak (havent pumped the new one), hands, ring, pants, and trinket that are still heroic

[lusty grotto]

you can sim, but im gonna answer you

replace your boots and slam an arcanoweave on them

or

[unreal sequoia]

I didnt want to sim for the short term

[lusty grotto]

get a loa ring

[unreal sequoia]

wanted to make a long term plan

thanks btw!

haste/vers on boots then since I have like a total of 70 vers haha

[lusty grotto]

i mean if it sims higher sure

sim sim sim

[unreal sequoia]

Do we just care about dps not survivability?

Am I just over thinking then?

[lusty grotto]

simming for secondaries yield defensiveness gains

any dps gain means more defensiveness

thats how tank secondaries work

[tribal wharf]

more dps = less times monster can do ability that deals dmg

[unreal sequoia]

I guess ive been listening to the bdk people too much on my alt

[tribal wharf]

bdk =/= pwar

[lusty grotto]

idk what the bdk people are saying but

if your sim yields higher dps due to a stat change (this is excluding haste)

any secondary that changed has a defensive counterpart

thats why

crit has parry

vers has dr

mastery has crit block

so

if a sim yields HIGHER dps, the defensive part of that stat yield is also higher

this applies to all tanks

i know bdk has some haste stop points, but otherwise if they are yapping something different then they aren't entirely correct

[unreal sequoia]

They yap about how blood is different in that it just has to take all the damage to the face and heal it back, so despite vers being a lower dps gain, its necesarry for them way more then other tanks

[sleek wagon]

can nitro boots fail during keys

[unreal sequoia]

Also does this mean that using defensive shield trinkets instead of higher dps is just a bad idea?

[lusty grotto]

that sounds silly

[tribal wharf]

is nitro boots still really a thing

like wrath

i think thats what your talking about

[lusty grotto]

not at all, you just dont usually sim defensive trinkets, because pure defensiveness simming is not a thing

or shield upgrades, but shield is pretty simple its just ilvl > all

same ilvl you can sim for sure

defensive trinkets you just dont

but there's only 1 or 2 that are good anyway

[unreal sequoia]

I've been using ultradon curess to just have a big shield lately but im not sure i like it that much

[lusty grotto]

too long of a cd

and you cannot get it myth track

solar core > globule > that

[unreal sequoia]

All my trinkets are heroic right now except for an ampule I randomly got at myth which Im pretty sure is mid

[lusty grotto]

it is very meh

[daring marlin]

BACK TO AA AGAIN

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frosty mango]

It’s not strictly incorrect bc at a certain point you literally cannot swing fast enough to recover health so vers would make it easier to live in a way, by reducing your incoming damage to a level that makes sustain viable.

But that’s only true until you move up key levels. That’s the primary issue with dks every season, eventually you reach a place where you can’t gear more and you can’t recover fast enough to stay alive

[lusty grotto]

ok that makes more sense

[frosty mango]

That’s why every season you see bdks climb and then plateau

It’s a class design flaw

A big one

(IMO)

[unreal sequoia]

They need to have a negative health pool that only they can heal back or some other unique mechanic

[frosty mango]

They have that

It’s called purgatory

[unreal sequoia]

once

every 2 mins

[frosty mango]

They need to redesign the spec to be mitigation based and not recovery based

Like every single other tank

[lofty warren]

@roidberg you create tank spec tankiness KPIs and overall score + tier list?

[frosty mango]

Sure, it wouldn’t mean anything but I could probably do it

[lofty warren]

Guaranteed the rwf ppl already something like that
They not relying on feelycrafting

[frosty mango]

disagree

Rwf has little to do with tankiness and everything to do with mechanics resolution

They bring the classes that can resolve the mechanics

[lofty warren]

When they loot to make comps they also look at numbers not just who can address the mechanic

Its both mechanics and numbera

[frosty mango]

The reason why I say tankiness is ambiguous and meaningless is because there is really only one metric worth measuring - alive vs dead. You can change the other variables to achieve “not dead”

[lofty warren]

U dead if your tanks tankiness results in him setting 1 shot

[undone beacon]

oh my god I left for like two+ hours are we still on this

[frosty mango]

And unless you’re talking the extreme edge of progression then every single tank is “tanky” enough to handle anything in the game

[lofty warren]

U dead if you dont do enough dpa

[frosty mango]

Yes I will beat him with logic until he quits

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[frosty mango]

Sisyphus agrees

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/move-lets-see--k01KQB6W0C5NPAQQJJ8GSENERJR

[ivory barn]

I dont think there is enough going on here

[undone beacon]

Real and true

[pliant mesa]

Is this worth it? how often does it proc cause the health part seems really low

[lusty grotto]

its bad

[daring marlin]

@undone beacon queue npx with me

I can't get into them solo

😠

[undone beacon]

I gotta go be lockout bitch and kill first three heroic 💀

gives me time to test my new ui tho

[pliant mesa]

Thanks

[tribal wharf]

10 more myth stones and i can do another spark myth craft

[ivory barn]

1 more down

[daring marlin]

warrior with 2/4 applied to my 17 MC

declined

[lofty warren]

myth solarflare prism, shield, or head? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upwykeFtjT53rampnmEtYv this sim must be wrong it says none of these are upgrades??

[wintry oxide]

My guilds raid progression is hoping to start mythic soon. Ive been able to raid lead the first few bosses of voidspire and killing mythic chim. I feel like a lot of the items I want to bonus roll are later in mythic. What dungeons are yall spending voidcores on? Is it just case by case dependent? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wYvCLxoDtw1x5RtWpCm3g3

[lusty grotto]

case by case

[lofty warren]

How does the sim actually give me a dps decrease? Is it because i am losing emblishments?

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you have

[wintry oxide]

Should I just aim for biggest stat weight items (my chest/helm/ shoulders) out of dungeons for now then?

[proud dock]

if i have crafted weap and shield, and i craft another pce for the double archano should i remove emblish from weap? trying to figure out how to values weap emb vs double archano

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

[wintry oxide]

I have hero gaze, so dumping bonus rolls on mythic gaze doesnt seem to worth it for only a 1% dps increase

[lusty grotto]

kinda seems worth it to me, its a trinket slot you dont have to worry about for the rest of the season and you dont have to compete with everyone for it

[lusty grotto]

sim

[proud dock]

oki

[lofty warren]

Are there any myth shields with good secondaries?

[plush tendon]

bonus rolled the gaze lads

huge day

[severe star]

did you get a 2nd stat on it

[dusky canopy]

I actually cannot believe how stingy people are with invites to a 12

lmao

[lofty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upwykeFtjT53rampnmEtYv how on earth are none of these upgrades

[severe star]

farstrider too good

[plush tendon]

avoidance

huge day for the kid; Mythic Crown neck and gaze

[lofty warren]

no way that champion trinket is better than 6/6 myth solarflare?

[wicked lantern]

[lofty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohskqsE5zFvez9vnNinrCH i redid it and finally I got an upgrade.. its telling me to take helm..

[crisp ocean]

how do I get better, I keep dying

[lofty warren]

@lusty grotto champ 6/6 trinket > myth 6/6 solarflare prism??

[lusty grotto]

makes sense if you have a fuckload of crit

[carmine creek]

Should I save my bonus rolls for mythic gaze or try to fill out the rest of my gear for mythic track?

[torn gulch]

that is as general of a question as you can ask
without logs we can't say much

[lofty warren]

hidden bis trinket??

[torn gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lusty grotto]

no, you just have a lot of crit so solar flare is devalued

[crisp ocean]

i'll log tmr

[ivory barn]

which 2 was this taunt swapper again?

brain is fried rn

[lusty grotto]

you taunt on judgment casts

[lofty warren]

umm ok. so which item should I take? im totally lost between solarflare, myth shield, and myth helm

[ivory barn]

right, Bell and chap?

[wicked lantern]

Find out what you’re dying to

[lusty grotto]

middle and right

bellamy and the ret dude

[wintry oxide]

venel and belamy

[daring marlin]

crazy how it's always the loudest weirdos in a M+ that suck the most

ha

devo dh types "nice aggro" on one pull (in the hut of mc) and dies yet me and the demo lock had zero issue

the whole run

[lofty warren]

mr guildford which item to take from vault https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohskqsE5zFvez9vnNinrCH ?

[daring marlin]

looks like helm right? you're not replacing that

[lofty warren]

true but I dont have access to myth trink/shield other than bonus rolls and vault

[daring marlin]

then again, dungeon rolling.....

[lofty warren]

soo. helm confirmed?

[daring marlin]

another 2/4 prot warrior

declined

[lofty warren]

done. never going to get rid of this stupid 6/6 champ trink

[daring marlin]

I believe

send rolls on Skyreach?!

[lofty warren]

and what it give me? solarflare prism that SIMS LOWER?

[daring marlin]

does it?

[lofty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohskqsE5zFvez9vnNinrCH

[tribal wharf]

there are 3 different sets going on in this transmog

or what the camps thing thinks is my transmog

cuz, for 1, i dont even use the mythic helmet appearance

[lofty warren]

putting solarfr prism 6/6 myth is a 2.6% dps decrease

[dense forge]

guys i was just looking at how bad the tank disparity is between all tanks and brewmaster

and i was wondering do you think any huge changes to tanks will happen within the season historically?

[dense forge]

or will we have to wait till next season

[lofty warren]

theres a wowhead article where the blizz devs said they were gonna tune but who knows what that means

[dense forge]

i see that every season since like M+ was invented

changed the meta tank every season

but this season is like the first time that in the top 100 not every tank is in it

[dense forge]

it is all brewmaster and 3 guardian druids

[lusty grotto]

are you seriously replying to yourself

[dense forge]

its actually crazy

[lofty warren]

this is 1st season brew has been best tank m+

[dense forge]

ohhh

when was this

[lusty grotto]

we dont care, brews havent been meta in forever

stop being petty

move on, its a game

[wicked lantern]

Let brew have their season

[old flame]

If I have a shield and a wep, what spec should I open vault in?

[lofty warren]

fck brew. buff pwar!

[dense forge]

I think its fine to have their season but i think the disparity is too much

like even last season the season of prot warrior tank

[old flame]

arms/fury?

[dense forge]

prot paladin was up there with us

[lusty grotto]

i think you take too many opinions on reddit as a fact

drop it

[lofty warren]

the REAL numbers diff between tanks isn't that big, it is a snowball affect

[dense forge]

unfortunately im free to have my opinion and so are you, but i will respectfully disagree with you aand still discuss the state of tanking

[lusty grotto]

this is not the place for the state of tanking, this is the place for prot warriors

[lofty warren]

some top guy plays the "best tank" and so then everyone else follows but in reality the actual diff is ~5-10%

[lusty grotto]

go to a general M+ discord

[dense forge]

yes did you know prot warrior is a tank

i was gonna compare it to my experience of playing prot warrior and brewmasteer

[lusty grotto]

we

dont

care

this isnt peak

and neither do they care about prot warriors there

stay in your lane

[dense forge]

you honestly are quite terrible and rage baiting :(

[wicked lantern]

[dense forge]

i definitely see that too in a sense

[lusty grotto]

im not baiting at all

[dense forge]

but my experience with +16 and +17 academy

its like

so different than what i expected

[dense forge]

on the logs look at past expansions and the tanks in the top 100 but i guess that is by the end of the season

so maybe by the end of the season

[wicked lantern]

What clapped you, Axes or Lashers?

[dense forge]

we will see every tank found in the top 100

[lusty grotto]

i think its hilarious that he replies to himself

[dense forge]

specifically the really harsh dot

the kiting is hit or miss

[lusty grotto]

[wicked lantern]

Yeah I think at start of the season, and more specially before MDI, the charts always look like this.

[dense forge]

i see that makes senes

does stoneform get rid of the dot?

i check how like majority of tanks including the best prot warrior for m+ currently is a dwarf

[wicked lantern]

Indeed

[lusty grotto]

well its a bleed so what do you think

[dense forge]

damn i never realized how good that racial was

that lwk wouldve saved me multiple times now

[lusty grotto]

are you new to tanking

[wicked lantern]

This season makes it pretty OP

[lusty grotto]

cause it sounds like you are

[severe star]

or maybe you can kite some adds

[wicked lantern]

Have a snickers Nim damn lol

[dense forge]

yep thats like the only way to survive

[lusty grotto]

no wonder hes bitching about "the state of tanks"

its the first time he sees it

[dense forge]

i save heroic leap for when i get too high stacks

[lusty grotto]

no, because people like this are just stupid petty for 0 actual reason

[rocky kraken]

are the NPX rings bis? i have one of the Seat rings but idk if avoidance matters much on tank

[wicked lantern]

It can be tricky because if one of them is casting on you before you leap, it will hit you no matter how far you are

[undone beacon]

Avoidance is worthless for tanks

[dense forge]

i always was a leech fan

[undone beacon]

The NPX rings are nice because they have a damage cantrip when combined, which is just free dam. You can always sim it too

[severe star]

seat doesnt give leech

its avoidence

[dense forge]

oh

hes talking about set bonus

[rocky kraken]

i wish the seat set was leech

[old flame]

should we keep opening the vault as prot or switch at some point

[dense forge]

i thought he was talking about the modifiers

that can be found on gear

sometimes

[undone beacon]

When you have a myth 1H and shield, you can swap off

[lusty grotto]

you can swap if you have what you said you have

but keep in mind

you'll get dps trinkets, which... aren't that hot

contract is ok

[old flame]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

but thats about it

[undone beacon]

I miss Platinum Armor Plating from Mechagon Workshop

[lofty warren]

brew does like 10k more dps. if pwar got a 10k dps buff all would be good

[undone beacon]

[dense forge]

i wouldnt say the damage is bad as the difference tankiness as the other tanks

i dont think a damage buff is the answer

[lofty warren]

idk why everyone says tankineess. i feel way more squish on my brew

[old flame]

just opened my vault, heroic neck from aleria, how do you trigger the shadow damage?

[lofty warren]

both are 3.2k io and 275 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

gloves from seat

[old flame]

oh, i didn't even see those, that's cool

[wicked lantern]

Feel like the only tank that can complain about “tankiness” right now if prot pally.

I don’t play one but I’ve ran with a lot that get instaclapped this season for some reason

[lofty warren]

https://i.redd.it/otk4cwzoqh3e1.gif

[wicked lantern]

[dense forge]

omg prot pally is so bad right now in terms of being one tap

its actually terrible

it feels like they have to bubble pull

everything in order to survive

[wicked lantern]

bro I’m dying you had that gif on standby

[lofty warren]

at the ready

[jagged gust]

That's like, every season innit

[lofty warren]

on my brew I do the same pulls as pwar and I am dropping so much lower/dying way more than pwar. maybe brew better long term self sustain or something but on the rip big pull its def pwar imo

[daring marlin]

???

[tribal wharf]

whoever this guy is a real moron

[daring marlin]

With double guardian, ardent, bubble and 1m sentinel?

[tribal wharf]

dont do what he did

[daring marlin]

skill issue much?

[onyx hearth]

Resonant voice is underated

[lofty warren]

shield block shield wall stun shield charge

shockwave

[tribal wharf]

max rage

back to enemy

dont hit any defensive

[daring marlin]

what are these mythical keys peoplr are doing that prot pally is dying to one taps

you guys sleeper doing 19s or something?

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[frosty mango]

I dunno I’ve not healed any tanks this season that feel bad to heal assuming they play right

I’ve only healed up to 15 but still

I can see a world where pally gets rough just bc of their cd spread

But I still maintain tank balance is fine

I have never once had to stop and hardcast a heal on a tank this season if they weren’t just eating a mechanic

[lofty warren]

true human skill > the 13% extra dps brews are doing

[dense forge]

you definitely seem right about that at first in terms of raw mitigation but the self healing of brew is insane and more than makes up for it

[lusty grotto]

roid do yourself a favor, and scroll up, and start on his very first message

[dense forge]

like brew here had about 15% less mitigation

[daring marlin]

Who

[dense forge]

but had almost double self healing warrior had

[lofty warren]

smart man

[lusty grotto]

the guy that came in with the reddit tank balance talking points

[daring marlin]

AimAssist?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[daring marlin]

I don't wanna scroll up, actually

[lusty grotto]

hes just found out dwarf clears AA bleed

[frosty mango]

I’m not going to go back into why looking at dtps etc is pointless I already went on that diatribe earlier lol

[daring marlin]

[lusty grotto]

just let that one sink in

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-obama-gif-15684252

[lusty grotto]

idk man

[lusty grotto]

this one is particularly funny

[daring marlin]

first time???

I'm howling

[lusty grotto]

not to mention the fact that we're 4? 5? weeks into the season?

[frosty mango]

thats tank rep across all keys

if you throw out the low and high then it gets even tighter

blizz is obviously not going to look at ONLY top keys or ONLY bottom keys, if they did then theyd be balancing with a sledgehammer

trying to look at literally only bleeding edge data and then saying "x needs nerfed and y needs buffed" is idiotic because thats not how the game is balanced

im going to get ice cream now

[lusty grotto]

what kiind

[daring marlin]

Only balancing I was like ??? at was buffing devourer

[frosty mango]

whatever kind they made today

[daring marlin]

otherwise seems like they're doing well

[lusty grotto]

hope it was pistachio

[frosty mango]

I live near a dairy farm they do it fresh every day

[daring marlin]

rum raisin

[lusty grotto]

ok that sounds sick

x2

[frosty mango]

pistachio is fire but they have one called mountain berry pie which peach/blueberry/raspberry and they put it in a little pie crust cup

[daring marlin]

HOLY

GIMME THAT

[lusty grotto]

aight stop

[frosty mango]

they only do it once a year tho

they do diff flavors every week

[lusty grotto]

ill just find whatever ice cream i have in the fridge

[frosty mango]

just ripped 120k overall in seat, 70% blocked hits

priorities correct

[tribal wharf]

vanilla when it come to icecream

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

why fuck up a good thing

its simple and it just works

[vernal bramble]

Hello Fellow warriors
Ive already have:
Champion Gaze of the Alnseer
Hero Heart of ancient hunter
Champion Umbral Plume
Vault came with a Mythic Algeth puzzle block.

Do you think is worth it?

[frosty mango]

why does it matter if its simple, you aint makin it

[frosty mango]

raidbots.com

[daring marlin]

vanilla pretty goated

[tribal wharf]

i feel like its the default option for icecream

[lusty grotto]

also the tracks are important

[tribal wharf]

every single time

[frosty mango]

we cant answer this bc its gonna be dependent on your current gear

the mythic puzzle box will def be an upgrade but the other options are also part of the decision and you gotta sim to take that into account

[vernal bramble]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/azralon/dracur/

my char. sorry im kinda new here

my vault loot

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[vernal bramble]

ohh thank you

i was looking exactly that

[frosty mango]

given your current gear and all other things being equal, if you also dps, I would probably take the plume, but theres also a world where you take the cloak and catalyze it and fish a puzz box with reroll tokens

it really is hard to say without getting exact numbers

[tribal wharf]

dont take indom

sort of i think same with enduring

maybe its raid build

[frosty mango]

ok they dont have mountain berry pie or pistachio

[vernal bramble]

ive already have a plume hehehe

[lusty grotto]

its not yogi

no raid build takes indom

[tribal wharf]

ah maybe hes a raider ya

[frosty mango]

but they do have sweet cream toasted coconut chip

which im feeling

[lusty grotto]

all the chips

[daring marlin]

mmmm coconut

coconut is good in all forms

except coconut water

[frosty mango]

they also have salty peanut butter choco chunk

[daring marlin]

GROSS

[frosty mango]

which also seems like a contender

[daring marlin]

I want this

Get that

[frosty mango]

think im gonna do one of each

[lusty grotto]

aight make sure you bring me some too

[tribal wharf]

that was my easter plan

just buy a bunch of reese

[frosty mango]

I can mail it but I think youd probably need to drink it instead of eat it

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[tribal wharf]

is a reese small or big not just a candy pie

that you dont heat up

i mean, thats how it seems to me

[frosty mango]

I think it’s not pie

It’s really just an oddly shaped candy bar when you think about it

[tribal wharf]

it has the same structure and shape as a pie

as well as a filling

[daring marlin]

I believe they refer to it as a cup

😏

[frosty mango]

A go kart has the same structure and shape as a nascar but alas they are not the same

[daring marlin]

also they make little mini pies. A pie requires that flaky crust.

A reese's doesn't have that

[frosty mango]

True

Key lime pie isn’t a pie either

It’s a custard

No flaky crust

Or maybe a large tart?

[daring marlin]

🤔

[tribal wharf]

these ones

its not me

reverse google image

[frosty mango]

That’s just chocolate tho

Makin it bigger doesn’t change what it is

[tribal wharf]

1 theres pokemon game for ds or some shit

so, right away , you know its not me

[daring marlin]

yeah but is a hotdog a sandwich

followup question is a pizza just an open-faced sandwich?

[frosty mango]

A hot dog is a sandwich but a pizza is not

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-why-not-you-stupid-bastard-gif-23978200

[tribal wharf]

what a fantastic movie

[frosty mango]

The word sandwich is specific, it’s meat between bread

You cannot have an open face sandwich because then it’s not a sandwich

It’s a grinder

[daring marlin]

I have to return some video tapes

[frosty mango]

I’ll leave you with this

If a hot dog is a sandwich, is a taco a sandwich?

And if a sandwich is meat between bread, are there no vegan sandwiches?

[lusty grotto]

NA seems to be going boom

[tribal wharf]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/8gyjr41i7qnc1/pb/m2-res_1080p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&var=sgpssan&v=1&e=1777442400&s=346b92502583984a7338c27993257496d45507bc

im not much for 40k, but sometimes its cool

[undone beacon]

I keep hearing fucking helicopters outside

It’s annoying

[naive urchin]

hiii whose a good youtuber to learn beginner prot war from?

[lusty grotto]

beginner... i'm not sure, but reading the icy-veins guide helps out

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

ive read this fic

[undone beacon]

[toxic pewter]

Reminds me of Goodfellas

[wanton void]

Hey All, between icy veins and wow head it looks like there's a mix of info on whether puzzle box is actually a good idea in M+. What are people's thoughts on puzzle box in m+, and if not a good idea what is a good replacement (m+ sources). Heart of wind seems consistently listed as a high tier trinket, but other than that Im not sure what is a good option if replacing puzzle box

[warm plinth]

Puzzle box is strong, but probably not a trinket you want to use in high keys since it does have the downside of the cast time. Heart is solid as well

You can game puzzle box (e.g. using pre-pull or stunning mobs before using) but a lot of people don't want to

[wanton void]

Ya I've been trying to game it but it's been hard, and not sure the consistency I need with it to make it worth it over others

I have myth puzzle box and heart right now, and wondering if worth targeting another trinket for a drop

[drifting basin]

Sup folks? H Light blind, you taunt during the cast of Judgement right?

[warm plinth]

You can check out the icy-veins guide for what some alternatives might be. That's the guide we recommend.

[wanton void]

Ok ty

[daring marlin]

rip

[crisp ocean]

topicx is rly good

he does commentaries for every dungeon

[lusty grotto]

correct, taunt early

[ivory barn]

1% vers

[rugged pasture]

Hey guys, I crafted my shield with arcanoweave embelishment. I'm now wondering if I should embellish the bracers I'm about to craft with the same embellishment, or save ti for my cloak. THoughts?

[rugged pasture]

Also, i see some people craft boots instead of bracers. Is that what's BiS, or suboptimal?

[lusty grotto]

you craft your lowest ilvl

and slap embelishes into that

but ideally you sim for the crafted slot

generally sims will point out the one low ilvl slot as the highest dps increase

so thats kind of how it goes

[rugged pasture]

I'm tied for both, so just wanna do what's BiS later down the way

[lusty grotto]

there's no bis

[lofty warren]

icy vein has bis

[lusty grotto]

its just something we slap on guides because they are required

[heavy sparrow]

I thought bis makes me a better player though chip

[ivory barn]

I can craft me a myth weap 🙂

[lusty grotto]

generally embelish slots are better in lower stat pools such as bracers and cloak

[rugged pasture]

why's that?

[lusty grotto]

because you fill in myth tracks on the other slots

netting you minimal stat loss for embelishments

accessories are the slots that have less stats, followed by cloak/bracer, followed by shoulder,gloves,belt,boots, followed by head,chest,legs

so

since we cant do arcanoweave on rings...

[wicked stirrup]

Does anyone have the issue with the paladins fight with taunt swapping? my tanks are apparently having this issue where they arent able to pick up the taunt swaps correctly sometimes, is it just bugged?

[lusty grotto]

they need to taunt early

they see the cast, they taunt

late taunts are prone to fail

[wicked stirrup]

They're claiming that taunt doesnt seem to be picking up whatever one they need to

[lusty grotto]

ideally they taunt before the cast gets halfway through

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

are you checking for taunt DR

[loud rune]

ask them if they retaunt constantly, causing taunt immunity was my issue, or if they have mouseover enabled and accidently taunted the wrong paladin

[lusty grotto]

and are you checking the timeline

[wicked stirrup]

I'm just trying to fix this issue because we're losing so much raid time on reprog this boss when it seems like its a 50-50 that is happening

[lusty grotto]

taunt immunity = taunt DR

[loud rune]

2 mistakes that happened to me and the fight became easy after figuring that out

[lusty grotto]

just for reference

[loud rune]

thanks, didnt know

[wicked stirrup]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=last&type=healing

[lusty grotto]

taunt diminishing return

[wicked stirrup]

like Im mentioning that guilds cant be spending all night with a bugged fight

[lusty grotto]

im confused

this log only has one tank

[loud rune]

because the other got smashed by judgement

[lusty grotto]

no

it literally has one tank

[loud rune]

learning that you can reflect the dmg after judgement

[lusty grotto]

no

[loud rune]

was bik

no?

[lusty grotto]

TANKS: BEAR

where is the other tank

[wicked stirrup]

broyd

[loud rune]

did u share

the correct log

[lusty grotto]

he did

but the wipe he shared wasnt it

[sharp gale]

It’s their last pull at 99% everyone left

[lusty grotto]

i see them now

[sharp gale]

It’s just a random pull/ insta reset

[wicked stirrup]

appriecate the help fellas

[lusty grotto]

im not seeing taunt casts

[loud rune]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=13&type=casts&source=6&ability=355

wasnt here

maybe DR

2:06 and 2:14 taunted

[lusty grotto]

zero taunt casts here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=19&type=casts&source=6

[wicked stirrup]

ignore crown

we literally just got there tonight

[lusty grotto]

im tired

[wicked stirrup]

im trying to get more pulls on crown by saving us time on paladins because they cant seem to figure out whats going on paladins

[ocean heath]

so I think I just realized this now, it's dumb to charge right into the middle of a pack right? Cause a bunch of mobs will be hitting your back

[loud rune]

like here, idk if thats how DR works, but theres a taunt twice on general amias by the warrior at 2:06 and 8 sec later again

[lusty grotto]

nah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=14&type=casts&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24245856350.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24355^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24230580448.0.0.Druid%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%246795&hostility=1&source=306&ability=1251857&view=events here you go

their taunts are fucked

taunting before cast

taunting probably as a result of a swap call out without the cast

[sharp gale]

You can taunt back to back, it’s like the 4th which is immune if I remember

[lusty grotto]

scroll down and check the timeline

[wicked stirrup]

there's a immune?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lusty grotto]

yes

[warm plinth]

Taunt has diminishing returns just like CC

[lusty grotto]

thats what i said "taunt DR"

[sharp gale]

I mean the taunt DR

[lusty grotto]

its not taunt DR though

check the timeline i linked

they are either:

1. taunting before the cast
2. taunting when there's no cast

tell them to wait on the cast, at some point a tank will tank both, and thats totally fine

judgement starts to cast, that's when you taunt

this right here

that's a cast start

[wicked stirrup]

apparently they are but Im like if they are this cant constantly happen

[lusty grotto]

and the taunt came out BEFORE it

[wicked stirrup]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

that's not the damage portion

which would make sense, but when the cast started, his taunt should be under

[drifting basin]

That's what I thought. I had a few instances tonight where I was taunting during the cast and I'd end up with both the judgement and the follow up ability hitting me

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=14&type=casts&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24245856350.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24355^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24230580448.0.0.Druid%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%246795^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24casts%241%240.0.0.Any%24240431.0.0.Boss%24true%24230580448.0.0.Druid%24false%241251857^0%24Separate%24%23DF5353%24casts%241%240.0.0.Any%24240431.0.0.Boss%24true%24245856350.0.0.Warrior%24false%241251857&hostility=1&source=305&ability=1246736&view=events heres the full timeline (its at the bottom)

[shrewd moss]

If you taunt during judgment, you don’t get hit by that judgment

[ivory barn]

sadly have to craft it next week, not enough myth crests

[lusty grotto]

correct

[shrewd moss]

You get hit by the followup, which is a truck, but would’ve been a bus if you got hit by judgment

[lusty grotto]

[shrewd moss]

Somebody mentioned above using hover taunt

And that fucked me up for two hours on paladins

Strongly recommend making sure your tanks aren’t doing that and that they have a reasonable attention span. Also the judgments are color coded

[lusty grotto]

ok hold on the first taunt is actually correct

but check this one out

[shrewd moss]

This is correct right?

[shrewd moss]

Taunted and then other tank hit by judgment means it was good timing.

[lusty grotto]

cast starts at 01.07.998

[ivory barn]

would crafting a weapon w/o hunt be ok?

[lusty grotto]

growl is done at 01:10:035

judgment cast lands on our warrior friend at 1:10:997

thats a late taunt

[lusty grotto]

not necessarily

[loud rune]

nimchimp somehow amazes me how he got the energy for everything in here

[shrewd moss]

Ah it can be too late?

[loud rune]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yes, thats why i said taunt early in the cast

[shrewd moss]

I see

Yeah

I mean I do that anyway because safer imo

[loud rune]

what i got told, you wanna taunt as soon as the judgement castbar appears

[shrewd moss]

But good to know

[lusty grotto]

let me see if i can make this easier to see

[loud rune]

gn8 my g's

[undone beacon]

[ivory barn]

I feel horrible not attaching a hunt to my weap >.<

[lusty grotto]

this is gonna be a long ass url

but

here you go @wicked stirrup

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QtaNMBjAHFhd8fvJ?fight=9&type=summary&view=events&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24expression%24(source.name+%3D+"Kravex"+and+ability.name+%3D+"Growl"+or+source.name+%3D+"Boryndin"+and+ability.name+%3D+"Taunt")+and+type+%3D+"cast" or+(source.name+%3D+"General+Amias+Bellamy"+and+((ability.name+%3D+"Judgment"+and+(type+%3D+"begincast"+or+type+%3D+"cast"))+or+(ability.name+%3D+"Shield+of+the+Righteous"+and+type+%3D+"damage")))%0Aor+(source.name+%3D+"Commander+Venel+Lightblood"+and+((ability.name+%3D+"Judgment"+and+(type+%3D+"begincast"+or+type+%3D+"cast"))+or+(ability.name+%3D+"Final+Verdict"+and+type+%3D+"damage")))%0Aor+(target.name+%3D+"Kravex"+and+type+%3D+"death")%0Aor+(target.name+%3D+"Boryndin"+and+type+%3D+"death")

[sharp gale]

[lusty grotto]

you can follow the timeline to check if taunts or growls are being used when they should be

and to see who got hit by the follow up SotR or FV

i suggest you check the wipes

the expression should stay for them

right here

judgement starts, bear taunts senn not bellamy

warrior dies

not sure why he didnt reflect

2nd death is just because there was nobody else taunting

i changed the query to put deaths in just for quick reference

[wicked stirrup]

I've become a recent I guess "raid lead" with someone else so we're trying to fix issues but kinda gets annoying when theyre chalking up to rng death when it cant be that/ a "bugged fight"

I dont think he knows about the reflect/ I didnt know either ( i only tank keys haven't done the raid yet as a tank)

[lusty grotto]

just link them this

i cleaned it up a bit

[wicked stirrup]

Thank you nimchip 🫡

Has anyone else experienced bugs with taunts on this fight that results in multiple wipes or are they just fucking up taunts basically

[lusty grotto]

so far i havent seen any plausible proof of bugs

but its blizzard, so anything can happen

[outer willow]

Did not know this Lura move

No cast bar

Damn

[mental scarab]

Explains random drop in hp

[winged zenith]

I knew it from start better watch reflect usage video

[lusty grotto]

we knew

[outer willow]

I thought the reflect was the start of the beam

[outer willow]

Fine. Keep your secrets witch.

[lusty grotto]

its not a secret, nobody asked

just watch her buffs

[outer willow]

I’m asking. Tell me more secrets about seat

[lusty grotto]

as soon as she hits 3 stacks, you reflect

[winged zenith]

Shiel slam reflect is my favourite

Void bash

[outer willow]

How about your favorite. How do you do the first pull?

[lusty grotto]

i walk

[outer willow]

Clap clap taunt? Clap clap clap?

Moonguard RP walk?

[lusty grotto]

sure cause dwarf running is the same speed as a draenei walking

[outer willow]

Damn. Racism

[lusty grotto]

hey im the dwarf

[winged zenith]

2-3 targets you throw stun and charge then leap 0 damage taken

[lusty grotto]

im allowed

[outer willow]

Oh it’s cool then

[winged zenith]

While you gathering

[outer willow]

I’m kidding friend. We had someone here who was very lost

[winged zenith]

Its good especially in nexus 1st 2 defender not give debuff

[turbid matrix]

successfully tanked heroic vanguard first night seeing them

[lusty grotto]

good job

[oak ivy]

Wiped to paladins with 1m health remaining and i was doing 118K 😭

rank 4

unless im getting aug'd

but surely no prescience

[coarse bay]

The log will tell

Dont think tanks get aug benefits

Actually i have no clue

[oak ivy]

[dawn lintel]

Ok so well