i tried to be a pianist but my hands are too small 
#protection
oak ivy
physically incapable of doing octaves
fringe mural
like i can dance out of ground effects while facing enemies np, even in very small areas, but while i do that it's hard to use certain other keybinds
Because of my fingers
they can't be everywhere
waxen cradle
Sure they can be a pimp WoW player and play with your feet
then your hands are free
fluid widget
What in the
fringe mural
kill it with fire
oak ivy
i also once knew an arcane mage who played strictly with mouse and numpad
due to the unfortunate circumstance of having only one arm
dude wasnt bad either
warm plinth
Tbf, I don't think keyboard layout really mattwrs
If you use a Dvorak all the time then you know the layout and would just have different muscle memory than someone who uses qwerty
sharp gale
It will revolve around the same logic-> binds around your equivalent of WASD
undone beacon
i have everything bound to my neurochip and i just think spell names
coarse bay
I have everything bound to one button rotation and just mash it
With an eye tracker for camera movement
undone beacon
macro shield block and ignore pain into OBR
coarse bay
And i say vroom to move forward
undone beacon
and avatar
i remember when they added OBR, someone in the bear discord was doing runs with their team where everyone only used 6 binds, 1 for OBR and 5 of their choosing to run keys. It was kinda neat ngl, fun ltitle challenge
coarse bay
I feel like that isnt enough of a challenge tbh
5 extra binds is too many
Actually hmm
Kick, 1-2 for cd macros, 1-2 for defensives
undone beacon
See you'd think 5 is too many but when you factor in defensives and util
It can be tight
lofty warren
What does that do
tribal wharf
it moves the glow
ivory barn
Considering I join a key as fury, and due to my IO be immediately asked to tank 
opal ledge
hey guys, how would you feel if they replaced thunderclap with whirlwind?
undone beacon
would be a very strange decision
opal ledge
nothing would really change, would be more visual thing i think
lusty grotto
everything would change
because whirlwind does not have added range
crackling would be dead
opal ledge
they could add all this to whirlwind
lusty grotto
if they ctrl+F tc amp talents, that'd be the biggest issue
undone beacon
They also have a whole hero talent tree based around TC 
lusty grotto
and if they dont ctrl+f tc amp talents, then there's a bigger problem
its pointless
irrational even
yeah no longer Mountain Thane, more like whirlwinder
opal ledge
They also have a whole hero talent tree based around TC <:keks:93623161085089799...
for thane they could keep TC, similar how fury uses TC instead of whirlwind
could just transform the skill
lusty grotto
i dont see the point
lofty warren
Why would you want to replace aoe stomp thats like the best ability
toxic pewter
Thunder Clap is an iconic warrior ability
dates back to warcraft 3
I guess whirlwind is too from blademaster but yeah people love thunder clap its a beloved ability would make no sense removing it
opal ledge
other skill that could be replaced by whirlwind would be revenge i guess
undone beacon
why do you want whirlwind so bad
sharp gale
I hope they will do a hero talent which is revert thane, ww on prot
pastel summit
prune from arms, tc for thane prot/fury, ww for colo prot and fury 
opal ledge
idk just thinking about it, what could make prot warrios "cool"
i'm thinking from a design perspective what could be done to help with tank shortage....
making some cool changes to tank specs would be a small thing, but would help
pastel summit
does dps warr still have shield block and slam for some reas
pastel summit
idk just thinking about it, what could make prot warrios "cool"
i'm thinking fro...
lol no
not even same plane of existence as why people dont tank
its the leader/responsbility not spec flavor
nor theme
lusty grotto
if anything, they should delete WW from low lvl prots
toxic pewter
prot warr already is cool
sharp gale
^
peak iron
idk just thinking about it, what could make prot warrios "cool"
i'm thinking fro...
what if there was some crazy ability that allowed you to mitigate or perhaps even "block" spells and magic-based damage...
sharp gale
That too
opal ledge
its the leader/responsbility not spec flavor
spec flavor has a part of it, and it's easier to solve.
it will not solve the problem alone, but everything helps
peak iron
maybe we could call it spell block
pastel summit
lame
sharp gale
Tank shortage is due to tanking keys is ASS for the mental
pastel summit
too much overlap with reflect
toxic pewter
what if there was some crazy ability that allowed you to mitigate or perhaps eve...
lol they literally just pruned this at the end of war within unless u being sarcastic and I missed it
lofty warren
How does block/armor values interact with incoming spell damage for pwar if at all?
lusty grotto
what if there was some crazy ability that allowed you to mitigate or perhaps eve...
why do you hurt us so
peak iron
lol they literally just pruned this at the end of war within unless u being sarc...
you got it with the edit 😉
undone beacon
peak iron
im sorry nim its too soon for me too i just cant cope with the algethar axes
ivory barn
Prot war is fine 
tidal pelican
Atleast playing prot warr is only chads. The true people plays prot warr.
sharp gale
Huh
opal ledge
one thing is... a good part of players play normal/heroic raids with guilds... and there is not much room for tanks there.
the current numbers i saw was 10% of players are tanks, that matches the raid scenario (not the m+ where we need 20% of tanks)
making it easier for people to swap from dps/tank specs would be also nice
but a lot of players play for fantasy/transmog, some visual updates to tanks would help
lusty grotto
one thing is... a good part of players play normal/heroic raids with guilds... a...
why is whirlwind the focus point here? fury uses TC, arms uses cleavce, why whirlwind
slayer uses WW, thats it
peak iron
speaking as someone that attempts to push in m+ as tank/prot but is forced to play fury for my very casual raid guild its pretty ass trying to gear for both at the same time and feels like shit
opal ledge
just a tought.
people tend to like skills that spins, spin to win is real
sharp gale
Slayer prot 
peak iron
bring back glad stance
opal ledge
glad stance would be amazing
sharp gale
Yeah it’s just a fury spell
lofty warren
If pwar has 100 armor and takes 10 pre-mitigation spell damage vs has 1000000 armor and takes 10 pre-mitigation spell damage, does the damage the pwar takes differ between these 2 cases?
peak iron
If pwar has 100 armor and takes 10 pre-mitigation spell damage vs has 1000000 a...
unless there is some talent for armor to spell dmg reduction im missing it would make no difference
sharp gale
Imp ww on prot, one day
kind urchin
No, armor has no bearing on magic damage intake.
peak iron
the character panel says physical damage reduction only for armor
lofty warren
What stat makes pwar take less spell damage excluding spell reflect?
sharp gale
Vers
toxic pewter
fight through the flames / spellbreaker
opal ledge
If pwar has 100 armor and takes 10 pre-mitigation spell damage vs has 1000000 a...
100000000000000 amor will give you more STR... and with more str you will have bigger IP for the magic damage maybe?
it's a unrealistic scenario tho
lusty grotto
peak iron
and demo shout ig
lusty grotto
100000000000000 amor will give you more STR... and with more str you will have b...
you're not wrong here
opal ledge
What stat makes pwar take less spell damage excluding spell reflect?
haste mastery will help you with more ip for magic dmg.
haste mastery and crit will help you heal the magic dmg via leech, fueled by violence (haste will also work on indom)
haste will also give you more intmidating shout
versa will do more for magic damage than anything i guess
but it's not like you need, our defensives are usually enough
lofty warren
Armor gives you strength? Pr youre saying that if you have that much armor you would need to have big ilvl gear which thus will give you more str
peak iron
so the solution to the loss of spell block is to reach ilvl 900 got it
lofty warren
haste mastery will help you with more ip for magic dmg.
haste mastery and crit w...
thoughts on that talent in the top right that gives more magic dr?
lusty grotto
fortunately they balanced well after removing spell block, they just seem to have forgotten to tune in midnight for it but what can you expect from blizzard
opal ledge
<:okayge:917646812519739433> thoughts on that talent in the top right that gives...
in some dungeons like NXP you can take this over the armor one...
but doesnt really make that difference
peak iron
true i didnt have an issue with it in TWW
lofty warren
opal ledge
to be honest def stance already reduces magic dmg a lot compared to other tanks
sharp gale
We are tuned around sitting in def stance
opal ledge
i feel like magic dmg is not that big deal for prot... bleeds are the biggest weakness
lofty warren
I was halfway through a + 15 seat and wondering why i was taking so much damage until I realized I was in dps stance. Unrelated
dusky canopy
People that say magic damage is weakness just don’t know the spec very well lol
peak iron
bleeds or magic dots that basically act like bleeds
but just straight up incoming magic damage is not usually the end of the world
lofty warren
When the guys in seat charge me I thought those gave a bleed but dwarf racial didnt remove
peak iron
usually the solution is to just play better but i wont be doing that im just going to complain and blame blizzard
opal ledge
When the guys in seat charge me I thought those gave a bleed but dwarf racial di...
it's not tagged as bleed
peak iron
you shouldnt be getting charged by those guys outside of maybe at the very start of the pull
can spell reflect the knockback
opal ledge
that reflect is nice
lofty warren
I've been working to not get charged in seat. I always want to pull move bc 1x pull with 4 mobs feel small
opal ledge
also reflecting the 3rd coss is nice
lofty warren
How many pulls is everything done before boss 1?
lusty grotto
3
peak iron
I've been working to not get charged in seat. I always want to pull move bc 1x p...
can you just pull the other packs first?
fringe mural
first pull is the three groups in the front with lust
2nd left chains
3rd right chains
and transition into boss if you want
without getting charged
lofty warren
I've been doing everything before boss 1 in 3 pulls
lusty grotto
yes, thats how most of us do it
peak iron
has anyone been able to consistently do 3 chain packs with lust at the start of seat or is that impossible in real keys
3 subjugators that is
lusty grotto
its possible
lofty warren
With the extra trash above the stairs on the left
lusty grotto
but the team needs to know how to burn down the little void eles
lusty grotto
and need to ultra coordinate movement slow removals
dusky canopy
fringe mural
Can you use bsv for that pull on purpose?
lusty grotto
no reason to do such a pull anyway
fringe mural
yeah that's maso
fringe mural
oh no on warrior too
sharp gale
peak iron
you can on warrior i think
lofty warren
sharp gale
The same thing will happen if you leap in the middle of a pack
fringe mural
yeah that's what i was saying
opal ledge
3rd boss seat, reflect is so nice
undone beacon
sharp gale
opal ledge
they kicked some, but i awlways ask for no kicks there
undone beacon
peak iron
my dps are always blazed out their gourds so even when i tell them in vc right before the cast not to kick they do it anyways
fringe mural
you forgot these 2 happy
Is that df?
sharp gale
lusty grotto
ahaha
peak iron
no thats a beyblade dropping into the arena below the boss room
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
ask stupid questions...
fringe mural
it's a small screen
and i didn't fight that boss ever so
it looked like mimiron to me at first
peak iron
well me personally i forgive you
lusty grotto
dont forget this one happy
sharp gale
I have that one of me but it’s not good cropped
Among 10 clips of me pressing demolish on vanguards and eating a shield
sharp gale
Im dps in raid
dusky canopy
Im dps in raid
lusty grotto
sharp gale
The hammer don’t hurt but the shield is death/health pot
livid helm
Hey what's the fastest way to file my vault?? I should still get 6 tokens right?
Fill lol
lusty grotto
hunts and delves probs
sharp gale
lusty grotto
ritual sites even
undone beacon
8 delves/preys/rituals is three world event slots, which can be a reroll
if you dont care about whats in the vault itself, you can run like a random heroic, lfr 2 bosses, and run 2 delves/prey/etc
thats three slots, so 6 tokens
charred ivy
if i recraft stuff to Haste/mastery instead of haste/crit. is that very bad as defensive goes?
fringe mural
It's better for fury too
fringe mural
should be fine
mastery and crit are both physical dmg reduction
so they're close either way
fringe mural
Vs flame talons lol
lusty grotto
character deleted, you say?
outer willow
fringe mural
no parry=instant death
next week is no timewalk right?
i think of levelling a shaman quickly
before reset
toxic pewter
pretty much yes no timewalking
fringe mural
shit
Man the day is too short
i need to work tomorrow -.-
but at least friday's a holiday
german WÖRK day
is a holiday
When is labor day in the us?
undone beacon
September 7, 2026
peak iron
we get memorial day in about a month
cobalt cave
Total random here but I played fury up to 2900 io and got totally tired of other tanks taking their sweet time and pulling horribly so I swapped to prot for the first time ever yesterday and two chested a couple 10s and I gotta say
Prot is so much fun
undone beacon
Prot is a baller tank fo sho
Hit people with your shield and yell at them
whats not to love
opal ledge
why is revenge a talent if it's impossible to drop it? x.x
frosty mango
why is revenge a talent if it's impossible to drop it? x.x
The illusion of choice
undone beacon
Some specs have their whole top gate locked, it is what it is
frosty mango
If you really examine the talent trees you will realize that for all of the talents on three, you really have very little agency in them
Blizz has a vision for how you play and the talent trees are built to funnel you into that
opal ledge
i mean literaly impossible
pallid quiver
i mean literaly impossible
yeah
that's the intent
The talent trees are designed in such a way to funnel you into grabbing specific talents in specific tiers. That's why the talent gates exist
frosty mango
If you tell people “this is how you play” they will complain
pallid quiver
Basically, you get choice in how you level up, and at max, you have a few "utility" points to spend, but you'll generally be literally required to grab the bare necessities
frosty mango
If you design a talent tree that seems like you have agency but you don’t, no one will complain because most people won’t ever think at that level
The illusion of choice
Was basically the entire premise of the matrix
pallid quiver
It's to ensure people can't literally brick a character by skipping things like Revenge/Demo Shout and other equivalents on other specs, but still have room for choice
charred ivy
is the omission of light set worth it? i have Light one on mythic
frosty mango
It's to ensure people can't literally brick a character by skipping things like ...
What if I just choose to play with no talents
pallid quiver
That's why I say your talent choices, ultimately, won't make a super drastic difference because you're basically required to grab necessary spells and talents. There might be better, but
pallid quiver
What if I just choose to play with no talents
That is possible, along with playing a class without a spec at all
it generally takes non-zero effort to set up, though
opal ledge
i just tried spaming whirlwind instead of revenge on dummies, and it's shit but looks so cool
whirlwind animation and sounds is so much better
jagged pier
just make a weakau... wait
pallid quiver
just mod the game files and don't get caught to swap anims and sounds, it's so easy?
jagged pier
i mean someone like 2 expansions ago made a weakaura that played the cleave sounds and played its animation when u pressed revenge
frosty mango
I have a macro that shows the thunderclap icon for whirlwind when I play slayer fury because my brain is tiny and I can’t handle change
ivory barn
just make a weakau... wait
sick current
hi sirs, any repository to tell us best m+ to use our rolls on?
this is my alt and I am trying to gear it quick
undone beacon
Whatever dungeon has the most upgrades mr bezos
You can run a droptimizer sim on raidbots if you want a hard answer
mighty valley
you'd think jeff bezos could just buy a fully geared account
undone beacon
mr bezos wants to enjoy the game dammit
the joy of gearing
Also they updated the text for the ritual site renown
mighty valley
LMAO
undone beacon
This is my favorite
mighty valley
but now it's really not clear which of these is the first thing i should know
undone beacon
i really want to know what the room looked like when they were writing the original descriptions
Like how many approvals did those get
I kinda get the whole "wanting it to sound like a scouting report/tounge-in-cheek" vibe but also yikes
mighty valley
it smacks of "one overzealous designer wrote all these and never ran them past anyone" to me
and yeah. they were trying to have fun, put a little bit of flavor in there. but tragically, cannot write
undone beacon
"Did anyone write up the renown reward descriptions for the new ritual rep?" "Yeah steve got it I think" "alright cool send it"
mighty valley
"steve just described the rewards at each tier in a normal way, right?"
"probably"
undone beacon
"thats what we told him to do"
lofty warren
What the heck is a void theme accessory
mighty valley
decor
lofty warren
Until the void gheme thing gives me 5% magic dr I not care
lusty grotto
is the omission of light set worth it? i have Light one on mythic
its a pretty small dps increase, if you can get both myth rings go for it, but don't tunnel vision them
rings are just rings, and accessories do not have a massive stat pool
so dont prio them over other stuff
dusky canopy
I committed the free rolls to npx so I may as well fish for the other ring now that I have one of them
mighty valley
Until the void gheme thing gives me 5% magic dr I not care
that's so interesting. i don't really want to buy a skateboard
dusky canopy
It won’t matter for atleast another week because my crests are going to better sources than ring with tomorrows reset
lusty grotto
lofty warren
Why nim talks about getting the skyreach trinket if void stalkers is higher on the tier list?
torn gulch
Are you talking about solarflare?
lusty grotto
dont take the bait
frosty mango
lofty warren
https://liquidarmory.com/trinket-tracker?wowClass=Warrior&wowSpec=Protection
And here this AA trinket shows as being higher than solar prism
I checked and dont think the AA trinket gets dps only penalty for tanks either
lofty warren
How is it bait if what you say "solar prism is the m+ teinket to get" doesnt match what iv or the liquid thing shows. I changed liquid to Mt 5 targets and void stalkers shows up higher than solar prism.
Im just trying to figure out which dungeon has best trinket to use bonus roll on
lofty warren
I read both and the only thing i can think of is "void stalkers has a weird on use effect that may not get full value" while solar prism is better when enemy is low hp so its good in execute and that itself gives it "hidden value" more than the raw dps of void stalkers. Is that right?
lofty warren
2 weapons drop from skyreach so even though the trinket is not best should roll skyreach tp get myrh weapons for 298 upgrade. Now its right?
lusty grotto
no
because there's only one weapon in skyreach, not two
unless you're adding shield
lofty warren
Yes 1x weapon 1x shield
lofty warren
Ok the only other reason I can think of is that void stalkers or solar is bugged. Otherwise dont know why bonus roll for solar prism instead of void stalkers
restive loom
I like damage :)
lofty warren
Bc solar is passive and doesnt require Brian power?
lusty grotto
nope
keep going
just to be specific there's two trinkets that start with solar, so make sure you meant the right one
solar core and solar flare
lofty warren
Solarflare prism is the only one that shows up on liquid dps list
lusty grotto
you said solar core
oh bah
im wrong
disregard all of that
its as simple as
contract has tank penalty
flare does not
so sim and figure it out
lusty grotto
that's not the purpose of that trinket
lofty warren
If void stalkers has dps penalty then prism probably better. Plus skyreach drops weapon slots. Therefore should bonus roll in skyreach since im not myth raid
lusty grotto
entirely up to you
contract does sim high in aoe, despite the tank penalty
but not as high as prism in ST
lofty warren
What do i care about st if all im doing is m+
echo egret
Are disc priests in a very very bad spot atm ? I ran a 15 with on,e and I've never felt so endangered in season 1.
lusty grotto
What do i care about st if all im doing is m+
because you ST in m+
bosses are a thing
lofty warren
Well sure on some bosses but if you sim for m+ you do it on 5 targets?
lusty grotto
Are disc priests in a very very bad spot atm ? I ran a 15 with on,e and I've nev...
depends if they are used to the changes
disc was strong when played well last week, they got nerfed
if they are playing like last week, they won't do well
echo egret
health dropping and going back up so slowly
lusty grotto
they need to play shielding
echo egret
oh because they could play differently ?
lusty grotto
atonement got nerfed
so they cant rely on it fully
they need to shield pre shield pre mit
etc
lofty warren
Nimchimp if you could have solarflare prism or void stalkers and you do m+ which would you pick
delicate creek
hey how come i cant add the spikes to my shield am i missing something?
solid sun
They fixed it because it wasn’t intended to be a thing
lusty grotto
it used to work before the patch
but it does jack shit for damage anyway
so youre not missing anything
lofty warren
Has it been confirmed crafted only go to 295?
lusty grotto
confirmed no, but its our speculation
since crafted is always 3 ilvl lower than max ilvl myth items
undone beacon
They updated it to not be applicable to new shields, and I think the effect doesn’t even work anymore on shields that had it
mighty valley
god damn it. almost timed a +273 skyreach except i didn't do 18 damage sometimes when i blocked
undone beacon
Okay but what if the boss was at 18 hp and that last block would’ve killed it and everyone else was dead and it was just you and you didn’t have a gcd
Checkmate
Liberal
solid sun
So it had 99 problems and 18 were hos
solid sun
lol
mighty valley
Okay but what if the boss was at 18 hp and that last block would’ve killed it an...
this is literally what happened to me. weirdly no one was logging it but i'm still gonna take blizzard to court for turning off my shield spike
toxic pewter
where my 17dam shieldspike
fringe mural
since crafted is always 3 ilvl lower than max ilvl myth items
3?
solid sun
What is 4 if not 3 plus a little
fringe mural
i don't need to care anymore
i have myth shield and weapon now
just need to git gud
tribal wharf
seat loot is a psyop
undone beacon
Just get the gloves from vault 4heat
fringe mural
well i can use close to every item in seat
so why bother with anything else
when in tank spec the only thing unusable for me is the bad of the two rings
and it's not even really bad
still a myth ring
undone beacon
Because then you have to do seat a bunch
fringe mural
it grew on me
undone beacon
It’s not my least fav by any margin but holy fuck pushing a seat is a nightmare
Finally get into a group for an 18, tank eats shit because of the charges
fringe mural
i just do 10
undone beacon
Abandon gg nt
fringe mural
the charges don't even hurt
undone beacon
I don’t need a 10 seat I need an 18
fringe mural
but i only ate 1 in the entire run i think
undone beacon
Warrior can literally avoid every charge if you play well
undone beacon
smh my damn head
pastel summit
warr in my 18 seat didnt taunt reflect second last boss the coward
fringe mural
i ddin't play well then
fringe mural
taunt reflect?
pastel summit
ya hits so hard
fringe mural
oh the off warrior
pastel summit
ya wasn't tankin on warr
ivory barn
It’s not my least fav by any margin but holy fuck pushing a seat is a nightmare
Imagine dying on last boss and the group abandoned in a 14 seat. That was me last night Mfer DPS ate a beam and didn't hit a ball and I died
That last boss SLAPS tanks
undone beacon
You can spell reflect the lance
ivory barn
.... I need to look up my SR's
undone beacon
That would help lol
But yeah the boss stacks a buff and then after three stacks she sends the lance, can be reflected
ivory barn
Last boss has been murdering my groups
undone beacon
Yeah all the other bosses are pretty clear and then Lura is a mess
pastel summit
luras room is a mess
ivory barn
People can't put beam on big boi
pastel summit
ya that dmg looks insane actually
ivory barn
On higher keys if someone misses a beam it’s GG
undone beacon
As a lil priest I’m hanging on for DEAR LIFE the whole fight
ivory barn
I started gearing my mut rogue cloak that boss
fringe mural
lura is a resto druid fight isnt it?
just hot everything and gg
everyone takes damage all the time anyways
outer willow
Death bolt is a 10 second cast… is there a way to kick it solo as a tank so I can reflect it when I want?
Any ever try that?
lusty grotto
just kick early the first one then on cd
and fall back to disrupting if kick wont be up during the cast
dont use javelineer it doesnt work
outer willow
On it. Trying to get that spike in DPS
cobalt cave
Good luck with DPS listening to you lmao
outer willow
Ugh you’re right. Who am I kidding lol
tribal wharf
still no glove lol
ivory barn
dont use javelineer it doesnt work
I tried this and was laughing when someone died
sleek wagon
starting to think its not worth pug pushing on warrior lol. no one invites you past +18s
tribal wharf
i dunno how the hell, but i did the opening right other than send a TB
i got my avatar up, demo, and aoe taunt and then i hit shield charge and paladi n gets aggro and dies anyways lol
stiff inlet
Ret palis love pulling instantly
slender bison
It drives me insane that blizz default plates show red for mobs in tank threat
can't even use them to see off tank agro in raids
I swear they were made by the intern last summer and he left in fall
torn gulch
lol another minute added to AA
at this rate they will reach 32 min again like it was supposed to be
daring marlin
stiff inlet
true story
lament zealot
You can spell reflect the lance
Do you have a precise way to reflect them all. I've been pressing reflect as soon as Lura gets 3 stacks and it seems to work for the most part so I can reflect every lance. Wondering if you have a better way
orchid mural
anyone notice that shockwave does not stun leech veil in NPX?
solid sun
There’s a “free tank coaching” thread up on Reddit lol as a result of toxicity towards tanks but Pwars and vdh aren’t allowed. Our jobs are safe for now don’t worry
lusty grotto
anyone notice that shockwave does not stun leech veil in NPX?
yes, you have to use fear for that, only ccs that deal no damage
or maybe im confusing it
nope, its leech veil
frosty mango
There’s a “free tank coaching” thread up on Reddit lol as a result of toxicity t...
I got downvoted into oblivion for posting data that shows tank balance is actually decent
solid sun
Which thread
orchid mural
storm bolt and shield charge interrupt it.
war stomp.
fear
but shockwave not so much. seems odd
burnt lake
r prot warriors pretty strong right now and do we think we will be stronger soon?
lusty grotto
storm bolt and shield charge interrupt it.
war stomp.
fear
but shockwave not...
interesting, cause the mob gets a damage immunity
burnt lake
anyone know a good dmg rotation for prot my dps is really low i feel
frosty mango
r prot warriors pretty strong right now and do we think we will be stronger soon...
Prot wars are fine and yes they will be stronger soon, every week as you get new gear
lusty grotto
r prot warriors pretty strong right now and do we think we will be stronger soon...
we cannot answer the 2nd question, but warriors are capable
lusty grotto
anyone know a good dmg rotation for prot my dps is really low i feel
yes, the icy-veins guide
mighty valley
There’s a “free tank coaching” thread up on Reddit lol as a result of toxicity t...
please link this
sharp rover
r prot warriors pretty strong right now and do we think we will be stronger soon...
Second most popular tank more or less, but brew is fotm
If you're doing anything below like +19 you will have no issues at all playing prot
solid sun
please link this
Reddit
frosty mango
I mean
He’s got credibility and if you read his thread he’s not being toxic
Dude is just offering to help lol
lusty grotto
thats fine
frosty mango
That help may be terrible
mighty valley
ah, warrior and vdh are just the specs he doesn't play
frosty mango
🤷
mighty valley
i thought he was like "specs i don't like NEED NOT APPLY"
sharp rover
My immediate assumption was those were the specs he didn't play
warm plinth
Off work finally 
sharp rover
Why assume toxicity instead of the much more reasonable explanation
warm plinth
Gym time
mighty valley
Why assume toxicity instead of the much more reasonable explanation
because of rhino's funny phrasing
why assume toxicity in my assumption
GOTTEM
sharp rover
You do spam IP though
solid sun
I just thought it was funny because we get to keep our jobs
lusty grotto
yeah idk about toxicity other than people mass downvoting good argumetns
frosty mango
where they tell you to spam IP
And downvote you for saying “look at all of this data supporting my point”
Reddit: “that’s fake news”
lusty grotto
You do spam IP though
sharp rover
The only correct news is news that supports my world view
frosty mango
The only correct news is news that supports my world view
You’d fit right in on Reddit
sharp rover
https://klipy.com/gifs/blinking-eyes-white-guy-2--k01KQ8KW3B4TP8CYJ9XY4MS48PZ
Use an IP macro that cancelauras IP
frosty mango
/u/ispamignorepain
lusty grotto
ive been baited
sharp rover
Yes, but sarcasm is hard to read on the internet
solid sun
They’re def baiting
lusty grotto
goddamn it
jagged gust
Did uh, anything actually change this season in terms of how we play? I still haven't touched the game since last October
lusty grotto
Did uh, anything actually change this season in terms of how we play? I still ha...
no
frosty mango
/cast Shield Block
/cancelaura Shield Block
/say “Healers adjust”
pastel summit
Use an IP macro that cancelauras IP
My favorite.
lusty grotto
i mean the macro was pretty obvious, but the "we do spam IP thing" wasn't, because we've had that sort of people here (and in reddit)
sharp rover
I mean we sort of do spam it hey
Considering how high rage gen is atm
We press it like once every four seconds
jagged gust
i mean the macro was pretty obvious, but the "we do spam IP thing" wasn't, becau...
Every paragraph we write gets auracanceled by another sentence of "Keep IP up all the time"
pastel summit
Ye, ip is spammed.
solid sun
I can’t wait for the pwar rework
mighty valley
I mean we sort of do spam it hey
Yeah we do still press it a lot, the common reddit opinion just seems to be "if you're taking damage and have rage, be pressing IP"
sharp rover
I like how Colo plays
mighty valley
so we all twitch when someone says "spam IP" lol
sharp rover
Don't rework it
lusty grotto
yeah its always spam IP over "hey are you keeping SB up?"
mighty valley
i also like colossus
jagged gust
Wasn't our APM highest in TWW S1? At least since like, heroic strike
sharp rover
Are you keeping SB up
Better question is are you facing the mobs so you can actually block
solid sun
I don’t like any wow specs anymore
lusty grotto
>Are you keeping SB up
Better question is are you facing the mobs so you can act...
right
mighty valley
tww s3 probably brought us back above s1 levels of spam despite the s2 rework
sharp rover
I got XD LMAO'd in a 15 pit when I pressed demolish and rotated 180 degrees
mighty valley
just from max haste and the tier set
lusty grotto
Wasn't our APM highest in TWW S1? At least since like, heroic strike
DF rage gen was faster, so it depends on talent interactions really and haste
sharp rover
And got axed in the back by 15 mobs
undone beacon
Do you have a precise way to reflect them all. I've been pressing reflect as soo...
She casts it on a delay of like 3-5 seconds after getting the third stack. I usually hit SR when she gets that stack or right after and it nails it
jagged gust
Ah word, I think this forum has proven that I have literally zero memories of DF gameplay anymore atp
undone beacon
Yo we got free coach tanking now I hear?
solid sun
Not for us
pallid quiver
the way to solve the issue is to spike blizz data centers and HQ with a meteor
if no content to tank, no tank problems
lusty grotto
the only way you can solve the whole tank "situation" is to... AHEM, get rid of roles and make everyone a tank and a healer
solid sun
Well it isn’t solvable by blizzard I don’t think
pastel summit
tanking for pugs is like something you'd be sentenced to as a punishment
lusty grotto
and that won't play well with people
solid sun
People just need to not suck
undone beacon
Better idea. They get rid of playable tanks and healers and have an npc tank/healer in every form of instances content you’re stuck with
pastel summit
issue with lfg is that it's people who dont have people to play with
usually because of their issues as a human
or player
undone beacon
Captain Garreth or whatever can tank every key
lusty grotto
i mean its not just that
undone beacon
Issue solved
pastel summit
Better idea. They get rid of playable tanks and healers and have an npc tank/hea...
what if they just throw a skin on the dps so i can not know they exist and they give me 25k at the end
pastel summit
ya its rly hard to get 5 people who work well together
similar skill level
workable comp
schedule
etc
undone beacon
idk it’s an MMORPG and people don’t want to put any effort into the MMO part and then don’t get why they don’t get all the RPG rewards
pastel summit
it is very hard 
lusty grotto
its because coordination takes time
and most people do not have time
its not because they want to SP
pastel summit
"i dont have time" people say as they sit in lfg for 10 hours
lusty grotto
right
solid sun
No they really do want single player
lusty grotto
sure because in SP your time is your own
pastel summit
i remember some warr saying he didnt have the time to play 3s so he played 4500 rounds of shuffle instead which is the equiv of lfging like 1000 push keys
pastel summit
No they really do want single player
there's a certain peace in being able to hop on whenever and do what you wanna do
instead of like the scheduled 8 pm raid
lusty grotto
its not that they want SP because of being SP
pastel summit
wish we had soloq keys just so each spec had its own ladder
lusty grotto
i mean, sure there are people like that but they do not do keys
that guy is getting dunked by the typical WoW idiot
r.io checking him and shit
i read his comments now, hes actually giving okay advice
sharp rover
As a dps player I say with zero hyperbole that if tank rotations were more interesting and they did damage on par with dps in group play, tanks would be the most popular role
Problem fixed instantly
pastel summit
that guy is getting dunked by the typical WoW idiot
I wondered why
lusty grotto
thats actually a good idea
pastel summit
then saw his exp cited is prepatch
lusty grotto
imagine our animations just dropped CoD nukes on screen
pastel summit
so ya I can see that 
lusty grotto
fucking RDM LB flashbanged the shit out of the group
ok that'd be bad
but make it the flashiest shit ever
japanese cartoon like or some shit
duel of the fates, arathor in that one cinematic, dbz speed slapping the shit out mobs
pastel summit
wow guides are weird more often than not i just see them nitpicked nonstop
seems tiresome to even bother
lusty grotto
then saw his exp cited is prepatch
honestly, does it matter?
if youre actually giving good advice, thats more than enough
lusty grotto
hes not trying to give advice to r1s
pastel summit
who knows tho might b good info
lusty grotto
just like we're not trying to give advice to r1s in here
his point is to get people to tank
lusty grotto
he could have put "hey im 3k every season" and he could have gotten even more shit by ego fueled redditors
and it would have been enough for what he wants to help with
pastel summit
most people ive known to be scared to get into tanking just didnt know what to do about routing
and go past that just having them w key between bosses then figure the exact count and which packs to avoid later
sharp rover
It's not just routing, there are also many mechanics that are tank heavy
E. G. Positioning the boss on fights like MT Arcanotron and NPX Kasreth
sharp rover
Talking about the lack of tanks in pub groups, yeah
coarse bay
Maybe the tanks all made friends 
Like the goonies
Youre coming with me
I did some vaults and got told im awesome at what i do
And i didnt respond
Real talk though tanks have the privilege of choosing or hosting
And there are a whole lot of undesirable groups listed
People expecting carries in some way, bringing very under qualified friends etc
Tanks are getting into groups, just not the gross looking ones
lusty grotto
right
pastel summit
there's a similar thing in pvp with healers
coarse bay
And when its 3 dps sitting in a group, what happens if the tank has a friend
lusty grotto
i agree with all of you
pastel summit
really imbalanced ratio
and yeah people sittin there with a full group lf a tank
SKIP
solid sun
I only play with my friends
lusty grotto
its just not solvable
coarse bay
Yup no solution
lusty grotto
you can't change people's very varied resistance to going tank
coarse bay
It’s not a problem with the game tbh, theyd have to completely change how tanks were in a way that more people wanted to tank than dps
sharp rover
Give more classes tank specs, make tanks do more damage and have better rotations. Problem solved
lusty grotto
unless you just delete the tanking role and then the healer role will face the same problem
sharp rover
Give us shaman tank and evoker tank and rogue tank
solid sun
It isn’t the tank specs that are the issue
coarse bay
Tank rotation isnt the problem, people still struggle with it
Tanking isnt about the rotation
frozen berry
make tanks do same damage as dps and more sweats will go tank - just limit 1 tank per dungeon and 2 for raid
solid sun
The issue is people
coarse bay
I doubt it
solid sun
And you can’t fix people
sharp rover
Having a more interesting rotation will encourage people to play, the reason I resisted tanking was because I hated MT prot so much
solid sun
What spec has an interesting rotation rn
coarse bay
A lot of what drives dps players is competition and i dont personally think adding competition between tank and the dps is healthy
sharp rover
It isn’t the tank specs that are the issue
There are also just way more dps specs than tank specs in general
undone beacon
There’s literally 5 other tank specs though, adding more tanks won’t magically make people tank more, because the issue isnt rotation or flavor or anything, it’s the pressure of being the tank
lusty grotto
its not one thing
coarse bay
More coggy load onto the rotation isnt the solution i can assure you that. Itd be worse
sharp rover
I guarantee you that increasing the number of classes that can tank will increase the number of tanks
jagged gust
also the fact that you need to be an absolute chad with balls of steel and a jaw that can chisel ice to be a real tank
pastel summit
I guarantee you that increasing the number of classes that can tank will increas...
Not really.
sharp rover
More coggy load onto the rotation isnt the solution i can assure you that. Itd b...
Give the option to play an easy rotation and a hard rotation then
Literally MT vs Colo
undone beacon
I don’t think adding pres as a healing spec made more people want to heal. It just added another healer
lusty grotto
also tank scarcity is not a WoW specific problem
coarse bay
Colo isnt complex
tribal wharf
nearly capped out on myth crest
pastel summit
People don't not tank because they can't be a mage tank.
undone beacon
Colossus isn’t a hard rotation
pastel summit
I don’t think adding pres as a healing spec made more people want to heal. It ju...
Eh, pres very unique healer.
sharp rover
Yeah yeah I know >implying the video game is hard
pastel summit
Pres feels like their idea for evoker as a class and dev was like a "we have to give it a dps spec".
sharp rover
But compare it to MT
pastel summit
Ye?
coarse bay
And an easy vs hard option just increases the divide between levels of player. Blizz already is trying to reduce the gap from skill floor to ceiling
pastel summit
Kind of a reach to say that colo is hard innit
kind urchin
People just don't want the responsibility of being a tank. No amount of classes or rotation or damage or tankyness will change that.
undone beacon
But Pres existing didn’t suddenly solve the issue of healer shortages. I’m sure a few people picked up healing because Pres appealed to them, but that’s not what solves a shortage
lusty grotto
GNB has a hugely more fun and complex rotation than the other tanks in FFXIV, guess which one the majority of people play when they tank? The simple one WAR - the game still has tank shortage
coarse bay
How is it a reach to say colo isnt hard
sharp rover
The complicated rotation doesn't need to be massively stronger
pastel summit
People just don't want the responsibility of being a tank. No amount of classes...
Yerrr.
sharp rover
Just more interesting
pastel summit
It's like how most people don't wanna lead a raid instead of just joining one.
sharp rover
I was playing Colo even when it was weaker because I hated MT
lusty grotto
interesting is subjective
pastel summit
How you hating thane
lusty grotto
this is your personal take
sharp rover
GNB has a hugely more fun and complex rotation than the other tanks in FFXIV, gu...
GNB is very popular though?
undone beacon
You could give every class a tank spec, won’t make dps suddenly want to tank. If I try to make any of my raids dps mains swap to a tank spec they freak the fuck out
pastel summit
colo worst thing ever they should've just added slayer to prot
coarse bay
I like thane because i like the apm and thunder, everyone has preferences
sharp rover
If anything I feel like GNB is the most popular tank among tank mains
undone beacon
GNB - giga nerd buster
coarse bay
Gunbreak dn
tribal wharf
People don't not tank because they can't be a mage tank.
ive noticed if it has cloth or mail armor it cant be a tank
classic doesnt count
sharp rover
and never has been
I'm honestly shocked at these numbers
kind urchin
I haven't played FFXIV since Stormblood so I haven't had the pleasure of playing a GNB.
lusty grotto
i mean people do like PLD
sharp rover
I was sure it'd be GNB>WAR>PLD>DRK
pastel summit
ive noticed if it has cloth or mail armor it cant be a tank
i feel like monk could've easily been cloth
lusty grotto
plus PLD was broken for a bit on the start of 2nd tier (or was it 3rd?)
coarse bay
I also wonder how much the tank shortage has to do with how tanking is in raid on top of limited available slots
sharp rover
Seeing pld at double war numbers fucks with my head
jagged gust
I'm honestly shocked at these numbers
dang nerf gunbreaker
pastel summit
raid tanking is funny every guild has their 2 tanks who've been there since the obama admin
and dungeon groups fightin for their life to find one
pastel summit
uh
sharp rover
1.5k players aren't human
lusty grotto
raid tanking is funny every guild has their 2 tanks who've been there since the ...
thats actually a good point (if only we had 10m raiding 
)
pastel summit
feels the same to me except 3k is like they have a few myth pieces
sharp rover
3k players are barely human
tribal wharf
well i mean like, doesnt kick the marbles, dances left right all over on pull 1 seat
pastel summit
30 min dungeon and my npc ret has kicked 1 unimportant cast
too much variety in the <vault range
sharp rover
Dps not kicking casters to help group triggers me so fucking badly
kind urchin
I haven't ever stayed in a guild that long. Couple years maybe but not a decade.
sharp rover
Especially dks not gripping
pastel summit
ya dks sittin there hitting a big target not grippin any adds in cos it means changing targets woo
sharp rover
Weave it during a GCD, it is not hard
And increases dps because it makes it easier to cleave
God it triggers me
pastel summit
gripped mob dps doesnt show on meters therefore dks dont think its real
we need a raid buff
despite grip doing more dmg than a raid buff
woot
undone beacon
give warriors grip and lust and brez
pastel summit
meter brainrot
coarse bay
I think it’s very easy to call everyone bad but do realize that even you started somewhere
sharp rover
Especially when I have ten things to juggle as a tank and yet it's still my job to charge the mob, kick it, and charge back
undone beacon
I think it’s very easy to call everyone bad but do realize that even you started...
I came out of the womb a gamer
coarse bay
Picmixer’s excluded
pastel summit
thats actually a good point (if only we had 10m raiding <:KEKW:14864268027621542...
ya 10 man raidin was fun
sharp rover
I think it’s very easy to call everyone bad but do realize that even you started...
True, but I was bad more than a decade and a half ago
I haven't been a truly shit player since wotlk
pastel summit
whats pash's char look like im curious
lofty warren
it is better to go for extra super BIS or for the thing that has the most upgrades? trying to figure out if I should bonus roll the skyreach for 2x weapons + solar prism or seat for the trinket
undone beacon
whats pash's char look like im curious
in what regard
coarse bay
True, but I was bad more than a decade and a half ago
And the game is more complex now with veteran players mostly unwilling to help new players, just calling them npcs
sharp rover
I'm not angry at people playing the game for the first time, I'm angry at 280ilvl 3k io players who don't use their buttons
pastel summit
just wow char
pastel summit
And the game is more complex now with veteran players mostly unwilling to help n...
why is it always new players
when it's usually stubborn bad veteran players who wouldn't listen to anything
undone beacon
just wow char
This is my warband rn, priest is my prog main
sharp rover
I died because the healer didn't babysit me!!!
No dipshit you died because you didn't use defensives or health pots and ate shit to a dot that ticked you out over 5 seconds
coarse bay
why is it always new players
They dont have to be new to the game, but new to higher content etc
tribal wharf
coarse bay
when it's usually stubborn bad veteran players who wouldn't listen to anything
Have you tried nicely helping somebody
pastel summit
Have you tried nicely helping somebody
ya
undone beacon
i wouldn't have guessed maghar priest
I really like mag'har as a race, and mag'har shadow priest has some cool lore/backstory you can make with it too which i appreciate
pastel summit
way more than i should've tbh
tribal wharf
doesnt even know the charge mechanic exists i bet
pastel summit
ya those charges own
sharp rover
it is better to go for extra super BIS or for the thing that has the most upgrad...
Personally I'd go for BiS since you'll want to get there eventually regardless
coarse bay
I think this outlook, which more than a couple of people have, is another reason why people are scared to try tanking or get turned off of it
undone beacon
I'm def considering race swapping though because normal orc is just better for spriest, and drac/goblin gives a nice mobility boost
lusty grotto
no balls
plush tendon
lusty grotto
idk though sense doesnt play it
lusty grotto
classic case of copy paste talent building
i would say
maybe scott played it and people were like "ctrl+c"
burnt lake
wat stat prio is best for prot ive seen different ones
lusty grotto
wat stat prio is best for prot ive seen different ones
read the icy veins guide
it has answers to that question, and the one you made before
pastel summit
wat stat prio is best for prot ive seen different ones
Haste is yum.
lofty warren
fck i didnt want it to go through
lusty grotto
you know mods can see deleted messages right?
lofty warren
whatever i didnt want to idc if they can see
its not like I posted anything naught or advertise
lusty grotto
and if you didn't, well you gon learn today
jagged gust
not having pepega ignored
coarse bay
Did i miss some tea
lofty warren
your just not a man of cutlure
nimchimp im bonus rolling skyreach just like you said
sharp rover
Are there any stand out races for prot warrior aside from dwarf? I love stoneform but I'm getting tired of all the transmogs looking stumpy and squished
lofty warren
dark iron dwarf
coarse bay
Dark iron dwarf is good too
lofty warren
Dark iron dwarf is good too
severe star
gift of the naaru is nice
lofty warren
gift of the die to bleed
coarse bay
Id say tauren has decent value now too
plush tendon
Are there any stand out races for prot warrior aside from dwarf? I love stonefor...
whatever makes you happy
I like human
coarse bay
But ya whatever u think is cool for sure
severe star
draenei also give the very small strength buff
plush tendon
but im also a fan of dwarves
nelf is really good to
especially for DPS
and if you like PVP gnome and orc
sharp rover
I was thinking void elf
Or human
But perhaps stoneform is too powerful to leave
Dwarfn't
pastel summit
Are there any stand out races for prot warrior aside from dwarf? I love stonefor...
Dwarf (burnt), Night Elf, honorable mention to Vulpera
lusty grotto
nimchimp im bonus rolling skyreach just like you said
i never said you should roll on skyreach
my stance has always been run droptimizer
because it depends on your own actual gear
and what x or y player need
lofty warren
yea but running 8 sims too much of a pita
pastel summit
friend ran sims then coined the same bad piece twice
undone beacon
yea but running 8 sims too much of a pita
more like too much of a naan
lusty grotto
warm plinth
more like too much of a naan
You should be ashamed of yourself. But also I love you.
toxic pewter
yea but running 8 sims too much of a pita
just middle mouse button/control click to run the sim in a new tab then select next dungeon and do it again
opal ledge
can you get 3400 with just 16's?
heavy sparrow
can you get 3400 with just 16's?
Mythicplanner.com, Google search
Very helpful tool imo
lofty warren
can you get 3400 with just 16's?
yes
loud rune
when and how do you use this in dungeons?
lusty grotto
you use it as a stop
just like any other stop
casts going off, uninterruptible casts going off? press fear
undone beacon
That is great for leech veils
lusty grotto
gives time for kicks cds to refresh and can be used in conjunction with your group's stops
lusty grotto
That is great for leech veils
apparently stormbolt works
lusty grotto
im tempted to go in and try
but that was his message
SC and stormbolt wouldn't make sense tbh
the others do make sense ig
loud rune
you use it as a stop
ill try that, i didnt bother using it in m+ cause my friend said that elites and casters are immune to fear mostly
lusty grotto
ill try that, i didnt bother using it in m+ cause my friend said that elites and...
no
undone beacon
storm bolt works
I gotta see it for myself because I could've sworn it wasnt working lol
warm plinth
Like 99% of mobs in dungeons are elites...
sharp rover
That is great for leech veils
I didn't think aoe stops worked for leech veil?
warm plinth
CC doesn't work on lieutenant-type mobs (generally) and bosses
Intimidating shout is technically ST with a "cleave" effect
The main target gets a different effect put on it
sharp rover
I gotta see it for myself because I could've sworn it wasnt working lol
Storm bolt works but you have to target the one channelling the leech, not the one being shielded
undone beacon
I didn't think aoe stops worked for leech veil?
Pshycic Scream for Leech Veil does
sharp rover
Big if true
undone beacon
On priest
toxic pewter
wtf is a leech veil
loud rune
wtf is a leech veil
danke
sharp rover
But it also means not running the slow cleanse on berserker rage for the Kasreth trash
undone beacon
Can confirm confirm, Storm Bolt works on Leech Veil
Intim Shout works
Shockwave does not
warm plinth
Makes sense
lusty grotto
i wonder why
warm plinth
Maybe all ST CC works on it?
undone beacon
My initial theory about it being a damage rider has proven incorrect
lusty grotto
if its not due to the immune / damage type ccs
lusty grotto
seems like an oversight
lusty grotto
and not intentional
loud rune
and i pay for 1/20th of that 55$
sharp rover
Intim Shout works
Does intim work on AoE, or only if you manually target the caster?
undone beacon
Does intim work on AoE, or only if you manually target the caster?
testing
sharp rover
Also I thought they were immune to fear
warm plinth
and i pay for 1/20th of that 55$
I get 1 gig down, 35mbps up, and 40 ping and I pay $130 🙂
sharp rover
undone beacon
Works targeting any mob in the pack
sharp rover
Huge tech
warm plinth
And that's in tests; I get like 80 ping in games
loud rune
ouch
sharp rover
Probably worth running instead of the slow immunity
loud rune
my ping is really good and the connection stable, thats the only thing i can be grateful about
warm plinth
Realistically ping is the only thing that matters after a point
I'd gladly take 25% of my download if my ping was 5 instead of 40
warm plinth
If I moved like 6 miles south I could get google fiber
sharp rover
Stable 40 ping is fine
sharp rover
Back in Ye Olde Dayes I used to raid on 350ping
loud rune
40 is fine for gaming, but thats like the max imo
sharp rover
warm plinth
Eh, in WoW I don't even notice it until like 200
loud rune
warm plinth
But in DbD or FPS games, yeah it's trash
sharp rover
Death
loud rune
really wondering how starlink is
sharp gale
warm plinth
I'd be surprised if starlink actually had good ping
Satellite generally blows ping-wise
loud rune
yep, apparently some claimed they have sub 30 on good days
warm plinth
Til them storm clouds roll in
loud rune
but most tests i saw was in the 80-120s
warm plinth
loud rune
absurd sometimes to think how the internet is connected
sharp gale
I have 15 ping in wow, I do not understand how
warm plinth
Depends on how close you live to the datacenter
loud rune
this thing under the sea is what connects my europan yee with your yees in the states
warm plinth
absurd sometimes to think how the internet is connected
yeah like we got them huge underwater cables
Yeah it's crazy
sharp gale
this thing under the sea is what connects my europan yee with your yees in the s...
That’s the reason we can’t play together on almost every games
warm plinth
Tbf you have less lag playing games cross-region than talking on the phone
sharp gale
A big hug can connect the world
warm plinth
I remember talking to my mom when she was in Korea and having a very noticeable absence of sound in between what I said and her responding lol
loud rune
the last time earth got hugged, a lot of dinos died
sharp gale
EU servers are in Paris and Frankfurt, I’m between both
lusty grotto
geolocation is huge for latency