protection

[lusty grotto]

everyone goes right

[hoary gate]

Why

I realized that I've always preferred left, and I get immediately kicked for going left lol

[lusty grotto]

can skip tiki masks and certain mobs that can scale out of control in higher keys

[hoary gate]

Gotcha

[lusty grotto]

shouldn't make a difference in vault keys

or lower

[hoary gate]

Yeah it's a 15 lol

[jagged gust]

oh thats the worst key range for tryhards

[orchid mural]

Struggling with the first half of NPX - the engineer side. the debuff the champions put on you.

mitigating for all im worth, stunning, etc.

is there a counter play? i just pulled it at my max in a 17, and got told i was slow.

[maiden ravine]

I gotta pick a dungeon I wanna roll all my tokens on on a char that doesn't raid.

[undone beacon]

Got dragons down, sent reroll, got the one item i didnt really need

[fallow fern]

will bonus rolls stack with next week if you dont spend them both?

[lusty grotto]

stun, SR, piercing howl

track them with DBm dungeons or littlewigs private auras

dont let it reach more than 5 stacks

[undone beacon]

Presumably yes, but you can only roll a boss once a week anyways

[daring marlin]

to all the tanks out there that start a pull with 3/4 mobs for 10-15 seconds then chain into more mobs

[mellow badge]

I don't go to raid... What trinket si the best for tank? I am new here i Will be happy is someone help me 🙂

[daring marlin]

play something else

[maiden ravine]

yeah, it's a rising cap like crests

[lusty grotto]

icy veins has a list, use our guide

[maiden ravine]

12.0.7 fresh 90s are gonna have so many

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto dk got an extra voidcore

guess I shoulda rolled more than once lmao

[lusty grotto]

nice

[maiden ravine]

puzzlebox for prot still feels weird

too bad you can't get rid of the dragon games equipment

[orchid mural]

hmm. just timed a 17 with a sham healer of all things. 2:30 ish left, pulling my engineer wing safely.

interesting about piercing howl tho. i lean to intim shout to help with cc in that dungeon. you find there's effective room to kite a little?

[lusty grotto]

they apply it in melee range so yes

[pastel summit]

Are you an engineer

If there's one in the group you can disable the lines

[orchid mural]

i heard some fluff that there is a debuff associated with disabling the pink lines

[pastel summit]

There's a stackng debuff if you stand on the haste conduits

Small cast time to disabling the lines, though

[granite yoke]

Hello fellow Prot warriors

[undone beacon]

Hello

[maiden ravine]

Well I got puzzle box first somehow lol

I do actually want a 1h and shield but I can get that elsewhere

I guess I swap to Skyreach and pray I don't get the solar core.

[lusty grotto]

im guessing you already have it?

[maiden ravine]

no, it's just not that great a trinket from skyreach right?

[lusty grotto]

both trinkets are good

and solar core is our best def trinket

so idk why you would say that

[maiden ravine]

wowhead having it dead last in B tier? Sorry

[lusty grotto]

we dont do wowhead anymore

we only do icy veins

nome retired

someone else is writing the wowhead guide

and tier lists on trinkets are ONLY for dps

[toxic pewter]

I’d be happy with a myth solar core. Some of the crap in these dungeons actually hurt a lot

[lusty grotto]

solar core IS oure best defensive trinket

period

end of story

[autumn heron]

No we copypaste whatever the top warriors in wcl/raiderio are using

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-steak-charlie-steak-charlie-steak-hate-gif-16220908583929700504

[maiden ravine]

well then I guess I farm the hell out of skyreach after puzzlebox

though seems like puzzlebox is a trap for m+

[trim bay]

Hey second boss in nexus, nysarra why does umbral lash truck me? on the second wave. 500k?

[lusty grotto]

thats just how it is

use wall

[undone beacon]

Nim be my voice of reason on this.
On priest, now that dragons is dead, I’m presumably going to be sending rerolls on Dragons for the next 1-3 weeks until I get a Vaelgors.
I’m still sitting on vault, in which the only piece worth anything is Xenas gloves.
Do I be a good boy and take the gloves, or do I be a gremlin and take the reroll to throw at Xenas to start knocking out the pool towards rings (and maybe get pants and gloves on the way)

[trim bay]

roger

[lusty grotto]

depends on the odds

and i hate saying that

how far down will you be for loot council if it drops?

[undone beacon]

Breaking it down:
-Theres like 7 people that need Vaelgors, so odds of a natty drop is pretty low. Im basically falling back on Vault/Rerolls to lock it in
-There’s currently 4 items I could use in Xenas, and 3 duds. The odds shift to 3 ups and 4 duds if I take the gloves from vault

[maiden ravine]

I'm gonna note that icyveins doesn't list Solar core at all, is that an error?

[lusty grotto]

just send em on dragons imo

[maiden ravine]

it does include the rotting globule though lol

[lusty grotto]

why do you think that is

what does rotting globule do

does it, by chance, do damage on shield breaks?

[undone beacon]

Oh I’m 100% sending them on dragons until I have the trinket, but I’m moreso torn between taking Xenas hands from vault or just taking the extra reroll to throw at Xenas itself

[lusty grotto]

read

the

trinket

[maiden ravine]

yeah, but if that's there for being defensive, why not include the solar core?

[lusty grotto]

@ionic fern add solar core to b tier on trinkets for defensive trinkets, please and ty

so that i dont get second guessed for whatever reason

*also rotting globule is in there twice, maybe turn one into solar core? * nvm just slap it over globule

[lusty grotto]

you havent picked your vault?

[undone beacon]

Not yet, was waiting to see if we nailed dragons this week lol

[lusty grotto]

fuck it send the roll on an NPX

and then do vault

[undone beacon]

Sorry to clarify
I sent my roll when we killed dragons like an hour ago and got the one item from the pool that wasn’t an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

ok so you dont have rolls

and you wont have rolls next week

because youll send it on dragons

just pick the gloves from vault

[undone beacon]

Theres my voice of reason

[opal ledge]

just timed an AA 15, almost done with the 15's ^^

[lusty grotto]

i mean the alternative

is you save that vault

[opal ledge]

the paladin on my group made a 100 parse whattt

[lusty grotto]

but honestly i dont know how it works if you already revealed the vault

i know it does if you're away and it stacks

[undone beacon]

My alternative plan is to take tokens this week, buy reroll, and send into nexus to start chipping away that loot pool towards the rings

[lusty grotto]

or never open it or something

hmmm

[undone beacon]

You can’t reveal your next vault until you pick from the previous one

[lusty grotto]

thats a much better idea

but also purely rng

it just eliminates randomness from the bonus roll ig

[undone beacon]

I figure gloves can drop off Vor or get rolled out of Xenas anyways, so I’m going to end up with gloves eventually

[lusty grotto]

honestly i would just pick the gloves lol

they are there, no reason to think about it more than that

not worth the head ache

[undone beacon]

Very fair

Currently gated behind myth crest cap anyways so meh

Ideally I just pull Vaelgors from vault on reset and then life is good

[opal ledge]

hey can someone help me understand how i reseted those AA bleeds without kiting?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xbqHcwTY478Wg9my?fight=25&view=replay&position=79343
i didn't even used dwarf racial on this run (on first pull i mean)

[maiden ravine]

I think it's on there twice cause the guide gives different recommendations for raid and m+

[lusty grotto]

oh true

[maiden ravine]

sorry if I was annoying. I'm honestly not used to icyveins layout.

Wasn't there rumors during beta that'd they were gonna let you block and stuff during puzzlebox's channel?

[heavy sparrow]

I'm justifying getting puzzle box only because I have to cables atleast once a run

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter what happened in beta, it remains like the first two iterations of it, you still cant block, dodge or parry

[heavy sparrow]

But haven't gotten them yet lolol

[fallow fern]

Sorry just saw this now.. you can only roll a boss once per week? That kinda sucks.. I used first one on nexus and was planning to use second one there too.. but haven't tried yet.. your saying I can't anyways tho?

[lusty grotto]

raid bosses

not keys

[fallow fern]

Ohh

[undone beacon]

That’s a dungeon. You can roll bosses once a week, in raids

[fallow fern]

Ok that makes sense. Phew

[opal ledge]

my bleed stacks suddenly droped on algethar and idk why x.x

[lusty grotto]

i know why

but you never listen to me

[opal ledge]

why help me

i do listen (sometimes)

[opal ledge]

the lasher died?

[lusty grotto]

bingo

[opal ledge]

i was considering if maybe the paladin taunted it and bubbled

[autumn heron]

Youre in for a hard life if you expect pugs to help you

[opal ledge]

i was not expecting, but they did.

i don't even used dwarf racial i was like... WHAT'S GOING ON

i guess i tanked it okay, if he was able to make 100 parse means at least i'm grouping the mobs well enough

i will start 16's next week 🙂

[coarse bay]

I believe in you

[opal ledge]

is there anything like algethar bleed in next season dungeons (the ones from this expasion)?

i wanna race change

[lusty grotto]

laughs in murder row

[coarse bay]

What are your goals

[opal ledge]

oh no

[coarse bay]

Because u dont need dwarf for 3400

[opal ledge]

3400 is a nice goal... what about 1%?

[coarse bay]

Also dont need it

Probably idk

We dont know what 1% will be

[coarse bay]

There’s ways to work around it though

Thank you for the current 1%, still awhile before the 1% achievement

[opal ledge]

wait there is a 0.1% title too?

[coarse bay]

Yes

There has been

[autumn heron]

Itll be over 3.7k for top 1% by end of season

[opal ledge]

can you pug 0.1% title? xD

[coarse bay]

Nowadays its extremely hard

[autumn heron]

Very likely over 4k for 0.1%

[coarse bay]

Even with a team it’s incredibly difficult, pugging is even more so

[opal ledge]

i think that's above me

even if i try my best

[coarse bay]

Ya it’s also a bit more than just a skill check

The amount of listed keys in title range is low

[autumn heron]

If you are able to pug even the 1% youre already a great player

[coarse bay]

So it’ll be harder just to get attempts

[opal ledge]

i think i could try pushing for 1%

[coarse bay]

Ya go for it

[opal ledge]

but maybe it's above my skill level too

[coarse bay]

It’s good to push yourself

[opal ledge]

i'm on almost all 15's, but i'm feeling the 15's are going quite easy, like 5 min on timer.

what we use dwarf on murder row? it's a debuff on the first packs?

[frosty mango]

finally broke 110

had to cheat with aug

for cleave comp to prop me up

[opal ledge]

that's a lot of damage xD

[frosty mango]

only 100k on log 🙁

jeffster still proppin me up tho

[fringe mural]

i just realized the number of hits shown in the log is not directly showing the effective sb uptime

i need to substract the backshots from the general number of unblocked hits to see it

[frosty mango]

why would you care about uptime

[lusty grotto]

not this shit again

thats it im heading to bed

[fringe mural]

guys i don't need an explanation, i just realized i suck at turning

all good

[frosty mango]

which isnt at all related to shield block uptime >.>

[fringe mural]

The uptime doesn't matter, the uptime while being hit by attacks does

[frosty mango]

no it doesn't

[fringe mural]

blockable

[frosty mango]

the number of blocked hits matters

[fringe mural]

yes vs the number of unblocked hits from the front

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why pepega and you are so convinced that uptime is better when factoring in back hits

[frosty mango]

but its easy to determine that in the log by just clickin the shield block icon

[lusty grotto]

when back hits are NO BUENO and you effectively DO NOT BLOCK them

so why would they matter at all

[fringe mural]

it's not better, but the mistake is another

what i need to work on

which is what a log should help me with

back hits are shit, but i'm not getting hit in the back because i didn't keep sb up but because i suck at keeping mobs in front of me

so i need to work on that, not on pressing sb more

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-2--k01KQ6PB0R8QWDXZGYC386H0KE3

https://klipy.com/gifs/bed-jump-1--k01KQ6PBGMATEKB1Z9YCD0JXS40

[fringe mural]

yeah i don't need your approval man i really don't, go to sleep

you can go play like a pro and not care about rookie mistakes people like me make

and want to improve on those

how dare i

[shy python]

How do you get rid of the bleed stacks in akademie 1st big pull?

[frosty mango]

yes but what you are trying to derive from the log isn't going to help you, because you are trying to derive an improvement item from a metric that doesn't really matter

understanding where you are taking back shots allows you to establish a pattern, one of those patterns might be shield block falling off at the same place frequently, you can correct that behavior.

Or it may be positioning.

But if the problem is uptime then looking at a log doesn't help you with that because a log doesnt take into account combat and downtime

[frosty mango]

evoker dispel
dwarf racial
bop/cancelaura

outside of that you can leap it to kite it off

they will not cast it if youre outside of 25 yards but once the cast has started you cannot outrange it

[fringe mural]

my issue in seat was almost certainly positioning because i took a lot of backshots from mobs running behind me to make space for them

[shy python]

Okay thanks

[fringe mural]

because apparently they're fat af

[frosty mango]

you can use the replay feature to see this

[fringe venture]

ENHANCE again xD

[frosty mango]

but its unlikely its mob scoot and more likely its you turning so the mobs are technically cresting the 180 degree plane in front of you

though I do notice if youre playing colossus mobs will tend to get behind you when you demolish

[opal ledge]

i'm making a new warrior on moonguard

guys, how can you open transmog window with the gran yak, like any place?

[fringe mural]

Well in seat i hesitate moving too much because of the champs

Can i see in the replay when i am taking the backshots?

[frosty mango]

yes

[fringe mural]

i am at my tablet in 5

[opal ledge]

sometimes in seat i just tank some charges, lik i can take 2 bleeds to pull faster.... more than 2 is a no no

[glacial skiff]

Anyone notice issues with GCD lag as prot?

i notice i'm not mid gcd, have good ping but things like tclap takes an extra second or button mash to go off

or demo shout etc

i know im running haste weap ench and haste proc trinket hoping neither of those causing issue, but notice this happen oddly in keys

[frosty mango]

kind of in depth to dig up but what I usually do when digging is look at my HP in the log then look for spikes where I drop. Zoom in to that section and then look to see my blocked hit % there

If its low then I'll replay that section of the log and see where im facing vs the mobs

like in this pit you can see i grab a graveblade guy then keep running on my way while he happily wails me in the back

[frosty mango]

this happens to me when I play from home as I have extremely low ping, I have to adjust my spellqueue window or it feels like my buttons arent going off

[fringe mural]

ah okay

[frosty mango]

prob not your issue but might be worth looking at

[glacial skiff]

hmm, how do i test what my spell queue is?

without fucking with it that is*

[frosty mango]

its somewhere in the settings

[fringe mural]

i understand for nim it's just 'get to 95% duh'

but i would like to know if my mistake is keeping sb up or bad positioning

[frosty mango]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")in chat might work

[frosty mango]

thats the default

[glacial skiff]

is that the normal spell queue? idk what it should be lol

so would lowering it or increasing it fix this issue? i also notice it when playing fury thane sometimes in raid

[frosty mango]

it depends on your latency and your personal preference

[glacial skiff]

usually at 23ms lol

[frosty mango]

if you set it too low then your spells might not queue and youd miss casts

if you set it too high it would feel like playing in mud

[glacial skiff]

yeah i felt that doing a 16 nexus the other day

[frosty mango]

you can tinker with it and see if it makes a diff, at your latency youd be looking at lowering it

[glacial skiff]

i thougt i was going to die so many times bc the lead was oce i guess

and didn't disclose D:

[opal ledge]

should i change my spellqueuewindow value if i play1 80 ms?

[frosty mango]

its really a personal thing

there is no should/should not

[opal ledge]

is there a value i should test first? never tried it, maybe 220?

[frosty mango]

you can move it around and see how it feels but whether or not it makes any difference is really based on your personal playstyle

if you play at 180 I wouldn't mess with it, thats already pretty rough

[glacial skiff]

hmmm 200 feels better. 100 felt weird

guess i'm used to the spell queue a bit for wow

[pastel summit]

Whatever's comfy and not losing you inputs.

Thinking about the poor souls who'd turn it down to 0 thinking it'd making everything quicker.

(Nerfs you unless you're a robot)

[opal ledge]

i saw a guy reccomending ur ms + 100

[drowsy comet]

balls.

[fringe venture]

Guys I would like to ask you how do you manage to use the Puzzle Box trinket, I got It but I dont get to use it properly and I know IS a good trinket only if you learn to use it. Should I cast It prepulling a Big pull? Or how? Thx in advance

[drowsy comet]

cast it before a big pull yea, thats the big downsite of it that you need to stand still to cast it

[fringe venture]

So must be aware of using It prepulling and on time to waste the less time as posible of It. Its kinda an annoying trinket to use. I dont find it so good for tanking bc of its use, at least for me. Think IS much better for dps

[drowsy comet]

You can always use other trinkets too tho

[fringe venture]

Yes thats what im doing, but I got puzzle and wanted to try It out, but dont seems to fit me or.my playing style

[drowsy comet]

Heart of Wind, Heart of Ancient Hunger, Gaze, etc

[fringe venture]

Rn using hearth of wind and the Paw, might change the Paw for the trinket from delves that gives strenght and haste proc, as a mate from here recomended me. Trying ti catch myth gaze but cant drop Chimaerus with pugz, already done more than 50 trys and didnt kill It yet, was keeping my extra rolls for It but prolly Will end burning them on some dg.
I have on HC track all the trinkets, prism aswell. Was using ultradon for defensive but I feeld better with offensive trinket on both.
Already simmed me btw, and It says to use hearth of wind and the strenght + haste proc as the best option from the gears I have

[drowsy comet]

ye i have yet to do any HC raids lol

[fringe venture]

I did chima on HC but didnt want to bonus roll It, looking for full myth.
Also I am one of those guys Who got his rolls back, so 4 this week

[drowsy comet]

smh

exploit early, exploit often, will remember that for the next bug cuz ppl always get away with this and even get rewarded bruh lmao

[fringe venture]

Will give another try to chima myth and if again waste 2-3 hours to dont drop that Boss with pugs, I might go Nexus and bonus roll there for rings maybe. Already have the SEAT myth ring wich is supossed to be BIS, but im trying to go more offensive and avoid the vers. Dunno what Will do tbh🤣

[fringe venture]

🤣🤣i didnt know It was bugged, I just logged on wednesday and directly went to use them before openning vault, then I Heard It was bugged and that I risked my rolls

Well im going to melt my brain on another pug myth Chimaerus, wish me luck 🫡

[drowsy comet]

man pug raid leaders are the biggest neckbeards ever lmao ,my 272 ilvl rdruid gets declined then I whispered the guy and he legit responded with "i see no HC boss on you" lmaoo

[fringe venture]

Yeah and what about those RL with 270 ilvl and not even HC kill saying "only CE" and refussing i for a myth raid when they are on 2.1k RIO and not even HC kill? 🤣🤣

And they deny the inv to a 281 ilvl tank with HC kill and 3k+ rio, when Chimaerus its all dps job lol

Btw just made some trys and ofc was a mass wipe, because ppl dont interrupt the fears, starting to be tired of trying for the myth trinket, I Will end using rolls on DG

Bad thing IS that in any DG I might get smth I dont need, there IS no DG where I need all. All I want IS gaze😭 then Will combo it with myth hearth of wind

[fringe mural]

If these are my hits taken

and these are my hits taken while sb was active

that means i took 56 backshots and had 2 lucky blocks right?

[waxen frigate]

yea

[fringe mural]

so my sb buff uptime was close to 100% but i was standing shitty

good i know what to work on now

[desert moss]

I it may be difficult sometimes to use on cd while in m+ but at least don’t forget to use before boss and first pull. Even if u only get like 5 second of this effect from puzzle box on ur first pull (cause of the travel time) better than nothing.
U know what I do sometimes?
I see the last mob in the pack nearly dead, I leap closer to the next pack ( but not pull it) use box, and than charge. It kind of keeps the tempo going, yeah u lose the leap (which u need sometimes) but u should also watch for ur self if u gonna need it or not

[meager needle]

How do you guys deal with bleed mobs in skyreach, kite them i know but i am always scared there, it goes so fast to 6-9.

[fringe mural]

Spell reflect at high stacks, stun, back pedal, walk back in

it's fire dmg

[desert moss]

Shockwave so they fall off, than I usually use a howl and run in semi circles

[fringe mural]

have enough crit

if you parry a lot it won't stack as fast

so haste/crit is your friend there, not haste mastery like some fury players that offtank do

[desert moss]

Than maybe leap over them, than shield wall than prey XD

[fringe mural]

leaping next to mobs will get you hit

but spell reflect should help alot

[meager needle]

Did go for more vers, but i think i can change some items there for have more crit

[fringe mural]

if sw is on cd

[meager needle]

Will try and pray for some parrys

[fringe mural]

every parry counts

it will be 1 stack less

but as someone pointed out to me, it's fire dmg so blocking isn't really helping against it, spell reflect for reduced magic dmg is

[desert moss]

I mean u know I play standard build, but I have what I call a bunker build- where I take last stand and more stamina only use it for academy and Skyreach

[fringe mural]

might even be worth to switch to magic dr in the talent tree branch

[meager needle]

Hmm will try it out

[fringe mural]

physical dmg isnt that high in skyreach if you're not sheared

the rest is FIRE

[desert moss]

Evokers can clean bleeds btw, just saying XD

[fringe mural]

is it even a bleed?

[desert moss]

Isn’t it ?

[fringe mural]

i don't think so, it's an undispellable fire debuff

bleed is physical

[vital vale]

no its fire damage

[desert moss]

My bad than

[vital vale]

same from 3rd boss dot

[desert moss]

Academy first pull is bleeds for sure

[fringe mural]

I thought it was bleed at first but someone told me it's not

[vital vale]

yes its bleeds there

[fringe mural]

academy is bleed yes

but if you pull all 3 groups from the middle and have enough dps you can bsv the high stacks

[desert moss]

Wow I rly thought Skyreach also bleeds…. Good to know XD

[fringe mural]

i don't know if it works for higher keys though

[desert moss]

I survived 14 there… but with monks cocun… and under shield wall, if u are panicking like me dont take range dps cause I was running for my life XD

Ofc I kited but… I saw some ppl can just step back the right moment and drop the bleed so flowers don’t cast it, but I just can’t… idk why

And those flowers are just stupid… can’t slow them, can’t interrupt it, can’t stun

[fringe venture]

Guess I Will do some low Keys with It and try if I get used to It or not, bc I see a lot of good comments about this trinket but always that you can keep It Up on CD ofc. Ty for the tip

[drowsy comet]

neckbeards, all neckbeards

[naive ravine]

Tell me your "bunker" prot war build is running 4/4 apex

🙏

[fringe venture]

🤣🤣
Already did 3 diff raids and any went after fears phase. The last one didnt even get to kill the adds on first soak, the many guys started saying "its my first time, I dont have idea about mechs" ffs man, how u go into myth raid without watch at least a video lol

[terse hollow]

does collosus have any upside compared to mountain thane? like is it tankier or anything? or just worse in every way? specifically for m+

[jagged pier]

its the same in every way pretty much

[cerulean tusk]

It is more fun and got more of a burst window in a single hit

[naive ravine]

The rotation of collusus feels slower

[ionic fern]

Demolish Button is fun.

[cerulean tusk]

Playstyle is arguably simpler

[jagged pier]

laying

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[naive ravine]

Dont think thats the case at all

[cerulean tusk]

You spam rev

Come on

[naive ravine]

You dont

[fringe venture]

I got used to MT bc of its aoe and I like the avatar proc, I use collosus for open world PvP, questing, delves and anything else, but on M+ I got used to thane

[cerulean tusk]

I wonder what you do with your globals if you dont spam rev surely you dont press exe

[jagged pier]

for colossus u should never press execute

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey disarming traps real time

[ionic fern]

You gotta balance revenge/IP more as Colossus.

MT is just mindless spam.

[jagged pier]

but

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[naive ravine]

Btw the talent point right above indom, is that even worth it?

[jagged pier]

our strongest mitigation talent

[naive ravine]

Its 2,5% dr on physical attacks, would it be an option to drop that?

[cerulean tusk]

I would call pressing IP less to be harder than spanning it more

[naive ravine]

Hm reading frim the stats pannel it increases block dmg reduction by 2,5% for me

[fringe mural]

Yeah i noticed, i‘m always wasting rage if i don‘t „spam“ ip

Because of how much rage i‘m getting

it‘s just rage all over the place

[jagged pier]

its a 16% dr on blockable attacks

[naive ravine]

How come that? Maybe im misreading the tooltip

Doesnt it just increase block chance by much and then the effectiveness of block by a tiny bit?

Is block value = dr?

Cuz according to the ingame stats panel by dr from block increases by 2,5% with that talent, not 16% (Diminishing returns exist on block value??)

[cold tapir]

How much damage you block is determined by block value and k rating. Block value is on your shield and further improved by 16% with shield spec talent. K rating is a number that changes based on the difficulty of the content you are doing, i.e. normal has one k rating, heroic has a higher rating and mythic even higher.

Block amount is calculated as such: Block value / (K rating + Block Value)

In regards to the above, no shield spec is not a 16% blocked dmg taken reduction

[naive ravine]

So its basically a wasted point kinda

2,5% dr

On block

[pastel geyser]

K rating sounds like some made up things but it would make sense with retail lol

[naive ravine]

Nah k rating is real

[pastel geyser]

tho weird its not displayed anywhere

[naive ravine]

Its just a name for a number

K rating basically is difficulty in a number

Like 1 is normal 2 is HC 3 is myth

(Not the accual numbers)

[jagged pier]

having done the true math, but in TWW S3 where ilvl cap was 723 or whatever, if u werent running shield spec it was like equiping a ilvl 700 from your bag

thats what its like in terms of items and equiping things

loosing 20ilvls on your shield

do you want to do that?

[naive ravine]

Thats a fake statement

Losing 20 ilvl in terms of block on your shield

[jagged pier]

literally was from nome

at the time

[naive ravine]

Yeah im just saying you only lose 20 ilvls worth of block, not of the other stats

And again for me its 2,5% dr on block

Idk how big that is

[jagged pier]

we literally only care about block on a shield

[manic siren]

Why are we being anal over words and ignoring the point of the statement wtf

You’re playing prot war what do you think you’re doing if you don’t care about block

[naive ravine]

Over simplified statements lead to confusion

[drowsy comet]

Voidspire HC 4 bosses down with pugs, as a healer slowly progressing

[naive ravine]

The point im trying to make is, are there any other talents that would be better then 2,5% dr on block

[manic siren]

Simplified fwiw if we gonna be anal

We talking about block value and chance, from the talent, the context is right there for understanding the 20 ilvl drop

[naive ravine]

Aw man had simplified right the first time but wasnt sure

[naive ravine]

In the internet pll tend to ignore such things so its better to make sure everyone is on the same page

[jagged pier]

yer lets take more damage from the highest source of damage by a massive margin over a key. for no reason

is that better?

you take far more blockable damage over a key than literally any other source

lets just make it do more damage

[vocal owl]

How bad is it to macro shield slam and shield Block??

[jagged pier]

terrible

you dont macro active mitigation

or generators and spenders together

[vocal owl]

Okay 🙂

[jagged pier]

i dont know where your seeing that

but its not

[naive ravine]

The question would be how valueable the other points would be, but talking about surviving you would have the points to take everything you want

[terse hollow]

prot warrior damage has like surprised me, my 260 prot is out dpsing my 281 venge xD

[jagged pier]

but youve not even mentioned

[naive ravine]

Anyways

[jagged pier]

another point

u just ill put it somewhere

but not said where, and i bet its not worth the swap

[naive ravine]

So at best prob a + in dmg for 2,5% more dmg taken in a key

[cerulean tusk]

2.5%? Would be more, lets say to keep it simple you got 50% DR from block, that add would be cutting the 50% dam you take by 5%

That not including other DR effects

The power of shield block is how consistently powerful it is

The only place you would consider to ignore the block value add, is if you play silly levels of mastery, and parts of the value disappear to the crit block cap of 80%

[drowsy comet]

for logging yourself, what addon do I need and does it do logs every key /raid?

[cerulean tusk]

DBM starts logging for you, just go into settings and activate combatloging (wow and addon)

If you want an addon that also uploads the logs, go to Warcraftlogs and download their companion app

[drowsy comet]

i use BW/LW no DBM there

[jade pulsar]

loggerhead

[naive ravine]

Raider io addon can be used to auto enable logs

And then upload it with archon

[tame jasper]

I use autolog since years

[cold tapir]

I did some nerdy testing, k rating seems to be ~3545 this season. Shield spec took me from 40,18% to 43,80% damage mitigation on block. That's 3,62% less dmg taken in absolute values. Relatively speaking you block 8,26% more with the talent, but the actual value is likely higher as the talent synergizes with the 15% extra block value from Brace For Impact.

This is with a 289 shield at 2382 and 2763 block value respectively

[naive ravine]

The talent gets worse with Brace for Impact up, not better

Since there seems to be diminishing returns on block value aswell

Should result in about 2,5% dr

[cold tapir]

First I'm hearing about block value dr, do you remember where that's from?

though even with dr, the value would still increase, albeit not a further 15%

[naive ravine]

I tested it, brace for impact also increases the true value by x amount, the talent had diffrent increases in dr based on my block rating

[drowsy comet]

so I need archon addon too?

[naive ravine]

Nah just the app id enough

[visual ridge]

Is colossus still the recommended subspec for prot warrior? everywhere else I'm seeing mountain thane except for the builds here? (for raiding that is)

[terse hollow]

okay im having some issues actually staying alive in keys, im keeping everything up but often im running out of defensive cds and just die immediately, im 270 geared and only doing 12s and really dont feel like it should be this much of a struggle, any ideas what im missing here?

[torn gulch]

without logs we can't really say much

[terse hollow]

i mean i cant say i really log my keys

[torn gulch]

then we can't really see what is wrong

[terse hollow]

but i mean if im running through avatar both shield walls demo shout keeping up block and ignore and still dying

im not exactly sure what the issue could be

[cold tapir]

@naive ravine I did some testing, you're right in that the higher your block value, the less each following point mitigates.

For me 5% extra block value (2901) took me from 44,6% mitigation on a normal target dummy to 45,83%, so a difference of 1,23% or a relative increase of 2,7%. At two stacks (10% bv) it was 46,98%, a difference of 1,15% or an increase of 2,52%. Finally 3 stacks resulted in 48,09%, difference of 1,11% or increase of 2,35%.

It's simply a function of how the formula for calculating blocked value works, it's a curve that flattens out the higher you get.

[terse hollow]

like is there any talent choices i could be making to get even tankier? im running the recommended build from here

[cold tapir]

when you say recommended is that the wowhead or the icy-veins build you're referring to? Either way logs would help tremendously, typical pitfall is dropping shield block then getting chonked. You could run BSV if you're still learning, that provides a safety net

[terse hollow]

the one thats in this discord in the faq

[cold tapir]

There are two

but in general the icy-veins one is recommended over the wowhead talents

[lofty warren]

ok but what if im not myth raid

[stone tundra]

Welp, cant use then

Sorry

[frigid valley]

[stone tundra]

How is against current target shown

With haste

[frigid valley]

[compact silo]

does passive ravager have the effects of active ravager(bonus revenge dmg + rage generation) or does it just deal damage??

[jagged pier]

yes

[compact silo]

yes what

[lofty warren]

is there any reason to bonus roll skyreach? I dont have solar core or either of the myth weapons from it

[jagged pier]

yes it does both

[compact silo]

ok thanks

[pastel geyser]

ohh it does have the passives of actual ravager too? interesting

i thought that was the downside of using auto ravager

[dusty orchid]

The downside is you can't control it, even if it has higher uptime

[raven light]

Does anyone know if Alleria's rare neck procsfrom SoT gloves?

[dusty orchid]

It does, and set rings iirc

But you're looking at a proc off a proc so not great chances

[stiff inlet]

You can sim droptimizer and see what mythic+ is best

[stiff inlet]

Droptimizer will help show what dung is best. I am currently doing skyreach personally due to what I have equipped

[terse flame]

Having so many catalyst charges available makes it a bit easier, as you can catalyze your boots and belt, which are on paper BiS.

[fringe mural]

I rolled in seat

got 1h, am lucky

Turalyon‘s echo is marginally better

or whatever the weapon from crown‘s name is

[dusty wedge]

seat is my target for rolls: neck, weapon, gloves and a decent ring.

[fresh saffron]

Isn’t our damage kinda low compared to other tanks?

[jagged pier]

nope

[fresh saffron]

I see monks and druids absolutely shredding in big trash pulls, while prot warrior feels kinda low dmg

[naive ravine]

Would you mind sharing what talents you are playing?

That could be one of the reasons why your dmg sucks

[fresh saffron]

Yeah I’m using the standard ones from wowhead m+

thane

[naive ravine]

Then its probably a rotation/gameplay issue

[fresh saffron]

I’m doing around 55-60k dps per m+

[naive ravine]

Prot warriors are after monk and bear (when played right) the next highest dmg tank

Im normally doing about 90k ish

[fresh saffron]

Damn that’s sweet what’s your ilvl

[naive ravine]

280

[fresh saffron]

Hmm I’m 275 rn, you’re using the wowhead talents as well?

[naive ravine]

If u share the name of your char the ppl here could take a look on what is happeninh

[harsh trellis]

Hi ELmer, link your raider.io

[naive ravine]

In currently running collosus for fun

[fresh saffron]

Elmerak is the nickname from Silvermoon server EU

[fresh saffron]

I’ll go look for it sec

[harsh trellis]

heres the issue

you are running the 1/4 talent.... I too like this build however here is what you are sacrificing by using this.

and I swapped to a 4/4 build just for the dmg

[naive ravine]

Yeah that is not the wowhead recommended build

[harsh trellis]

You are getting the rage generation and the self healing which makes the class feel spammy, fast and like how it felt with 4/4 in TWW.

but you aare sacrificing the dmg reduction and dmg output

[jagged pier]

or run this and have both

its only a 5k dps loss

[harsh trellis]

Thats what I am using and sometimes on big packs Ill grab tough as nails

[jagged pier]

thats not 1/4

[harsh trellis]

No, Elmer was aksing why his dps was shit

I was explaining to him why

[jagged pier]

well i mean u can still do decent damage with 1/4

thats not a 30k difference

[fringe mural]

You need to check your dmg distribution

[jagged pier]

99% sure a play issue

[fringe mural]

what spells you use when

[fresh saffron]

I’ll try the build, thanks for the insight

[harsh trellis]

its also haste and vers

[fresh saffron]

Most likely, I’ve recently swapped to first time tanking

[harsh trellis]

change to haste and crit or crit and haste

sim yourself

[jagged pier]

also wont make much of a differene

[fringe mural]

When looking at your log shield slam should be on top or tb/tc depending on the number of targets

revenge next and then the rest

[jagged pier]

this is an issue

this is an issue

[fringe mural]

oof that‘s a third

what‘s the second bar?

[jagged pier]

CPM

[fresh saffron]

What’s that supposed to mean?
Care to explain please

[fringe mural]

where do i see the cpm

[naive ravine]

Wasted rage and not pressing your buttons fast enough

[fresh saffron]

Oh ok

[naive ravine]

Under casts

I have about 80 cpm

[jagged pier]

casts tab in logs

[fringe mural]

What should cpm for the spells look like?

not in total but for ss, tc, revenge

[jagged pier]

depends around 70 over all for a dungeon is what u are aiming for

[jagged pier]

depends on hero spec

[naive ravine]

Collosus is a bit slower

[fringe mural]

okay i have about 60 but i know why

[naive ravine]

Since you have fewer TCs

[fringe mural]

because i didnt press ip enough

i have quite some rage wasted

[naive ravine]

Meaning you overcapped rage?

[fringe mural]

I‘m not used to spamming a spell that much but holy

yes

[jagged pier]

should be about the same

[fringe mural]

i can‘t even check if i‘m above 70 and i‘m already overcapped

[stray vault]

How do y’all think prot warrior is in higher keys compared to like brew or bear tank now?

[fringe mural]

rage just builds up so fucking fast

[jagged pier]

same as always

perfectly fine

and the same its always been

[fringe mural]

what cpm should ip have in a key?

[stray vault]

I’m still leveling mine but plan on maining it once I get geared enough

[naive ravine]

You get more tcs while avatar is active?

[fringe mural]

yeah, and they deal more dmg

[jagged pier]

im like around 70 cpm over all in both

[jagged pier]

dont start cause thats not somthing u look at

[fringe mural]

okay

[naive ravine]

Ip is not even worth to track

[jagged pier]

u look at SS, TC, SB casts 99% of the time

[fringe mural]

i know i know, i just wonder why my cpm is at 60

when i‘m pressing something every gcd

[naive ravine]

I mean you can download warcraft recorder and record your pov

And rewatch it

[fringe mural]

so the ogcd spells should be the issue

[jagged pier]

gross dont u are very likely missing gcds, just not noticing

[fringe mural]

okay

[jagged pier]

we had this the other day with a different person

the best u thing is to record yourself playing

and watch

[fresh saffron]

Missing gcds = not pressing shield slam or thunder clap?

[fringe mural]

or revenge

or demo

[fresh saffron]

Yeah

[fringe mural]

whatever

[harsh trellis]

Now you got me thinking

Im missing it also

[fringe mural]

what are decent cpm values for ss and tc? Does it depend on procs?

[tribal wharf]

i know its super skill issue but i wish they would add a confirmation in combat, if you hit ALT f4, it says do you want to quit? yes, no (ignore this for 30 minutes)

[harsh trellis]

Thats not a game issue

thats a windows issue

alt+f4 will override anything

[tribal wharf]

sort of lol, cuz it takes like 30 seconds to get back in

[fringe mural]

it‘s also a brain issue

just don‘t do it

[tribal wharf]

but its just an example of something that should never ever happen

[naive ravine]

You are focusing a tad bit to hard on the cpm

[harsh trellis]

like I never have the urge to hit alt+f4

[jagged pier]

thane 14-15 depending on dungeon

[tribal wharf]

its more like, im trying to hit f4

and then i fat finger with palm alt

[harsh trellis]

dont yuse f keys for anything

[fringe mural]

i just try to understand what i can improve

[tribal wharf]

so, LOL

[fringe mural]

i can improve my movement since i don‘t fuck up sb uptime at all but get hit in the back

and i also need to improve my rage spending

[tribal wharf]

its sort of like the "lock cursor to window" option

just a box you hit

[naive ravine]

But like jakey said, cpm is not the best way of looking at that. Your own pov would be a better help

[tribal wharf]

and then shit cant go sideways

oh you ticked the box, and you hit alt + f4 or ctrl + x or some shit, lets run a check do you wnat to exit the game?

causing you to spend minimum 15 more sconds to get back in if it was a mistake

[fringe mural]

what can i say i‘m a vengeful person

[tribal wharf]

its not like its like, wow is dead and unplayable

i can play through many many hiccups and annoyances

but its just , i dunno, the more times i lag for 3 seconds on pulling a boss, i get addons msgs, team is fighting mid key.

my goal with wow is to reduce this by as much as possible

if i can have only 1 problem like this, or 2 or 3, perfect

[fringe mural]

like what the fuck are you playing on, i don‘t even have half the issues you describe

i had one disconnect in a dungeon since expansion release, and that was in mogu shan palace time walking

No lags, no nothing

never

and germany doesn‘t have great internet

i do have regular sudden weird lags in silvermoon

when the game stops, then reloads and looks funny for a second

but never in an instanced area

so idc

from my years of experience, most of the time it‘s an addon issue

[stone tundra]

Same

[fringe mural]

just use less or better ones

What addons do you guys use to track your rage?

[stone tundra]

Arcui

[fringe mural]

i think an icon that is shown every time your rage is 70 or higher wont work will it?

weakauras was able to do that but

[stone tundra]

I swap the color of my bar based on thresholds

[naive ravine]

Ive leveled a char with timewalking and everytime at that Mogushan palace first boss someone dcs

[fringe mural]

yeah that

it‘s the knockup i think

[naive ravine]

Yes

Ive managed to dodge it a few times by using bop and other immunitys

[fringe mural]

first time it was me, 2nd and 3rd time someone else

[fringe mural]

Ty but i don‘t want to install an entire ui for that

Is weakaura still allowed to do that?

[naive ravine]

Im just using atrocity ui package

Just install and play

[fringe mural]

to show you an icon depending on resource level

[naive ravine]

No problems really nothing to complain

[fringe mural]

or is it forbidden fruit now

[stone tundra]

It is only a cdm addon, maybe sensei resources can do that tho?

[harsh trellis]

Instead of muddying up the waters here should I put my log in log review instead

[fringe mural]

Oh god

i don‘t know if i am ready for this

sound cue once my rage goes above 70

https://tenor.com/view/hector-hector-salamanca-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-gif-26777097

[warm plinth]

Probably get faster review here

[harsh trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfhgPHV2vQNMpr9K?fight=last&source=5&type=casts

this is timed... I need to know wtf im doing wrong

[jagged pier]

SS casts

[harsh trellis]

So I am constantly just hammering ss

thumb sore from ss constantly

[jagged pier]

u arent

its like 4 CPM low

for thane it should be the same / just lower than TC

[harsh trellis]

ok

[jagged pier]

yours is nearly 100 casts less

shows in your blocked hits too

HR isnt getting the value it should cause u missing SS casts

[harsh trellis]

ok so I need to hammer on ss more

[jagged pier]

not the worst wasted rage

[harsh trellis]

I am wondering if thats why the 2nd pull in NPX sucks for me

[jagged pier]

but for sure could be better managed

[harsh trellis]

I can post my shit failed runs also but

I figure... instead of going IKWTF im doin, ask

[jagged pier]

https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv

u probably doing that

[harsh trellis]

lemme see

I have a recording

Shield slam needs to look like IP there

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2751064254?t=0h56m14s&tt_content=twitch_logo&tt_medium=embed

[drowsy comet]

man people are some cunts bruh, gets an item Id legitimately need, already has crafted myth ring and hero ring, but doesnt wanna trade it. Like brother..wth

[harsh trellis]

also language barrier sometimes

unless they are just saying pound sand

or missed it and bailed after loot

[daring marlin]

muh stats

[drowsy comet]

yea but being this much of a greedy mf is insane, for dying 7 times in a dungeon too lmao

[daring marlin]

many such cases

[coarse bay]

It isnt greedy if theyre literally there for the item

It happens

[eager phoenix]

i mean its personal loot right. if mans dont wanna trade then they dont want to wcyd

[jagged pier]

theres a lot of double and triple highlights of buttons

at the same time

[harsh trellis]

So I need to slow down

[jagged pier]

like not inculding IP

u need to make sure what are are pressing it what should be pressed, instead of slamming 2 3 buttons to get something onto the gcd

like alot of the time u are pressing TC and SS at teh same time

[plush tendon]

im pretty stoked bois

[jagged pier]

that should never be the case

[plush tendon]

ya boi has 3 mythic raid boxes for tomorrow

send me good vibes for a big uppie

[unkempt hazel]

I get NONE

cuz mythic Id's SUCK

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[harsh trellis]

awesome, thank ya

[plush tendon]

bro I tried for a couple of hours to do a Mythic Chim pug on my DK

I dont understand how this boss isnt just being farmed by people

[unkempt hazel]

nah chim was one shot

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

lucky

[unkempt hazel]

I decided to join vora only

[plush tendon]

I joined like 3 different groups

[unkempt hazel]

we never even did any pulls and now im saved

[plush tendon]

just could not down him

[unkempt hazel]

love it

[plush tendon]

thats on you

[unkempt hazel]

nah

[plush tendon]

when you instance in, you have to accept the ID

[unkempt hazel]

thats 100% on blizz

[plush tendon]

thats why people dont join mid raid

[unkempt hazel]

thats the neat part

I never accepted it

lol

[plush tendon]

are you sure you didnt just accept by accident/have a addon that accepts for you

[unkempt hazel]

100%

[plush tendon]

cause even when I swap toons for raid, I have to accept the lockout each time

[naive ravine]

Could have waited outside of the instance

[unkempt hazel]

while yes, blizz could've at least done one thing right

[unborn plover]

Hi everyone
Why isn't mechagnome advertised as best war tank race ?

Free anvil tool
2nd best SIM race for war tank
15% heal proc when below 20%

[unkempt hazel]

is it not obvious

[naive ravine]

Dwarf and dark iron dwarf exist

[unkempt hazel]

who would willingly play mechagnome

[naive ravine]

Both dwarf races sim fairly high and have an insane racial

[naive ravine]

Me

Mechagnome outlaw

[unkempt hazel]

did yall hear smth

I think I've got voices in my head

[naive ravine]

Voices in my head again

[unkempt hazel]

buts its fine

[naive ravine]

Also mechagnome is good on longer fights and tends to fall behind when fights start to get shorter

[unkempt hazel]

gaze wouldnt be in vault anyway

[unborn plover]

I mean dwarf SIM below
Panda/mecha/voidelf/maghar/dranai on my end

Stoneform is insane but not really in raid, is it ?

[plush tendon]

the sim dps is so close between the races

that its basically a wash

the only thing you should care about, if you are choosing a race based on preformance, is their util

and Dwarf clears. Some case uses for human and nelf

[unborn plover]

Dwarf is so ugly, I swear 😢

[unkempt hazel]

play the superior race

[plush tendon]

you dont have to play Dwarf if you dont want

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/shufuspanda-shufusdance-pandadance-pandaren-dance-wow-panda-dance-gif-13868568054864870652

[plush tendon]

like Im playing human

but, ill be real, if I ever want to push high M+ on a warrior Im insta swapping to dwarf

[unborn plover]

Skyreach tend to make dwarf mandatory

[naive ravine]

Dark iron dwarfs look so much better imo

[waxen cradle]

Only reason I run DiD is because I get the cleanse and the strength boost from Fireblood. When I need it for a cleanse then I get the primary stat and the extra for the cleansed debuff. Otherwise I use it as a small dps boost

[plush tendon]

its mostly AA this season

[naive ravine]

Skyreach is not a bleed

[plush tendon]

where Dwarf is bonkers

[unborn plover]

Agree, but can they remove bleed.?

[naive ravine]

Yes they can

[unborn plover]

😮

[naive ravine]

• you can use dark iron dwarf for dmg

[plush tendon]

that first pull with the stacking bleeds from the plants in AA

is the key reason lots of people are playing Dwarf

Stoneform should also clear Crawth bleed if im not mistaken

[unkempt hazel]

just have 4 augs in ur team

simple

errr, evokers

[plush tendon]

on a side note, there is also a pretty dedicated Dwarf Fandom amongst warriors

[waxen cradle]

Yeah its why I play DiD, if my debuff can be cleansed then great I get the base strength and the bonus from the cleanse. If it cant then well I still get the strength anyway.

[unkempt hazel]

I like dwarves but my warrior cant be anything other than orc or tauren

its just not right

[plush tendon]

Dwarf Warrior is pretty siq

but its strict on the TMOG for me; cant use any helm that covers the beard

[waxen cradle]

Now my DK, DH and Druid I have to and will always be NElf because well they look really cool

[unkempt hazel]

so true

the beard must flow

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-in-dungeon-dungeon-meshi-anime-senshi-floof-gif-3771907964961307501

[waxen cradle]

AND if anyone ever tries to throw me as a dwarf hands OFF the beard

Shameles LoTR plug there

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-beard-gif-22144992

crime upon dwarfkin

[waxen cradle]

exactly

[plush tendon]

I also have friends who like dwarf

cause they are pretty funny

some iconic voice lines

and their fast run animation is funny

[unkempt hazel]

hey hoooo hey hooo

I should change my shammy to dwarf I think

[plush tendon]

like 'watch yer back' or 'keep your feet on the ground!'

[waxen cradle]

Best reason to play a dwarf for me is when I heroic leap I feel like a midget being fired out of a cannon

Well ok one of them

[unkempt hazel]

cuz I cant change my pala or warr

😔

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hillywood-show-hobbit-approve-yes-agree-gif-10804255

[unborn plover]

Will I step down from orc and go towards the dwarf path ?

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[plush tendon]

play whatever you like to look at the most

Orc is pretty cool for warrior so if you like the aesthetic, no reason to swap

I would only say swap if you are pushing for .1% title (or you think you might like being dwarf)

but if you like PVP, Orc is BiS

[unkempt hazel]

im too attached to my big armored cow

https://tenor.com/view/tauren-gif-25352617

[plush tendon]

the OG War races to me are the best

[unkempt hazel]

ikr

it just feels right

[plush tendon]

Human, Dwarf, Orc, Tauren

[unkempt hazel]

dwarf hunter

[plush tendon]

everything else Im a bit meh on

[unkempt hazel]

I kinda like draenei too my pala is one

[plush tendon]

Im a Orc, Dwarf or Elf hunter fan

for different reasons

[unkempt hazel]

all in dat gold purple armor

[plush tendon]

like Orc with big pet and bow is cool

Dwarf with gun cool

or Elf.... well you know, elf is cool with bow

[unborn plover]

Do you have great source of tmog for prot orc ? Like website or other ?

[plush tendon]

theres a channel in this discord for mogs

[unkempt hazel]

I like the idea of dwarf hunter just so right, but I dont rly wanna play hunter lol

[plush tendon]

I would preuse that

people be making cool stuff in there; great for ideas

[ruby hemlock]

I‘m new to Warrior, which guides are we trusting?

[unkempt hazel]

none of them

just press buttons that look pretty

[plush tendon]

icy veins

Icy Veins is written by Mwahi who mods this disc

Wowhead.... we dont know who writes that

[ruby hemlock]

Thank you, I’ll take a look at that 🙂

[waxen cradle]

My ultimate dream for Prot Warrior is to dual wield shields, be a SSlaming, Thunder Blasting monster of damage

[ruby hemlock]

I would be okay with Two-hand and Shield

[waxen cradle]

Because if your being silly be ridonkulous silly

[naive ravine]

Best dark iron dwarf form i had was 500 stength

In pit

[waxen cradle]

Yeah a 2 hander and a shield would be beast

[undone beacon]

Male Draenei hunter with a gun is the goofiest shit in the game

The way they spin their gun after every shot

[unkempt hazel]

lmao

[undone beacon]

Funniest shit I’ve ever seen

[unkempt hazel]

true

[harsh trellis]

Its cowboy shit

You need the big 10 gallon hat from dragonflight

[tribal wharf]

okay, what do you guys feel about thief games

cuz you talk about like AOL and stuff

i never got into thief games

[blazing condor]

Sly cooper is goated series

Good thief game

[unkempt hazel]

I think i've only ever played one thief game

although I couldn't tell the name cuz it was hella years ago

im more of a rts guy

I think

[undone beacon]

theres a goblin thief game my friend wanted me to play

Styx?

[fringe mural]

yeah that's the name

i grew on my drac thyr

if earthen had a bleed removal maybe

i'm very torn on switching to hm tauren

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-tauren-pc-nod-agree-gif-20388133

[undone beacon]

hm tauren is epic but i do like my drac warr

[unkempt hazel]

not rly fond of dracs

[undone beacon]

im considering swapping my priest off of Mag'har to drac, goblin, or orc. Drac/Goblin have mobility, and Orc is just really good for Spriest

[fringe mural]

After the deftness nerf

i really really lean towards switching to hm

[unkempt hazel]

dont think I ever look at racials

[fringe mural]

because mining is such a slog now

[unkempt hazel]

just the other day I realized I forgot I never used berserking on my troll hunter

lol

[undone beacon]

When your class has bootycheeks mobility, you tend to look more at racials lmao

[serene wave]

so if ive got myth alnseer and i have hero heart of wind and vorasius heart what to i take off

[unkempt hazel]

bootycheeks mobilty?

[serene wave]

heart of wind?

[unkempt hazel]

whats that

laughs in monk

[undone beacon]

The cheeks clap so hard they propel me

[undone beacon]

[fringe mural]

Lol

[serene wave]

sim is damage tho, im think more in general

[unkempt hazel]

imagine not defaulting to myth gaze

[undone beacon]

doesnt change anything,

[sharp gale]

Myth gays

[lusty grotto]

none of these options are directly and only defensive

[serene wave]

thats not the question, my question is what do i swap it over between vorasius or wind

[lusty grotto]

sim

and the sim will tell you

[unkempt hazel]

dont listen to these guys

and sim instead

[rapid pelican]

Warrior has awesome mobility lol

[undone beacon]

I'm talking about my priest

[sharp gale]

I would joke and say don’t listen to these guys and bis list but it might be taken unironically

[plush tendon]

Void Elf Priest

[rapid pelican]

Oh sorry my bad

[undone beacon]

Alliance

[serene wave]

what do you guys sim as? patchwerk 5 mobs, 1.30 mins? im not too sure

[plush tendon]

this aint classic!

[undone beacon]

For Aoe, yes

[plush tendon]

you can play Horde and Ally

[undone beacon]

Yeah but i dont like the alliance

[ionic fern]

Take buffs off.

[plush tendon]

we're all super duper friends now

[lusty grotto]

would be a good joke considering the bis list is filled with simmed results 🙂

[unkempt hazel]

its kinda amusing

[undone beacon]

bis list is feelycrafted 4head

[unkempt hazel]

to think I have 2 pandas, except one is horde other is ally

[sharp gale]

[plush tendon]

I was a horde bro in my younger years

[unkempt hazel]

why he so smol

ig im still horde bro

[ionic fern]

He is still growing.

Baby fly.

[sharp gale]

That’s gnome pov, I’m so big

[plush tendon]

but as I've gotten older I care about the mog

[unkempt hazel]

or just I like more races from horde side

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[unkempt hazel]

yeahhhh mogs...

[plush tendon]

honestly, I just like the more human models

[unkempt hazel]

coming up with shit on panda is hardest content in the game

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[plush tendon]

I dont like my character to be overly big

[undone beacon]

I'm too lazy to figure out the alliance portal routes when im so used to horde

Also mogs look fantastic on female orc

[plush tendon]

like, Orcs and Taurens are cool.... but they look weird on mounts

[plush tendon]

Female Orc is lowkey goated on the mog

but I gotta be a boy, cause my toons have boy names

[unkempt hazel]

my worrior? MIGHTY tauren, my hunter? amani themed troll!, my paladin? okay that one a draenei

[plush tendon]

ruins my immersion

except my VDH whos a girl

[unkempt hazel]

one thing about having goofy name

its not gender specific

[undone beacon]

Every character being Pash-something makes that easy

[unkempt hazel]

Pandastic can be whatever Pandastic wants

[plush tendon]

well "Augusto" is 100% a boy name

[fringe mural]

Good morning @lusty grotto, are you feeling well rested today?

[plush tendon]

latin with a "o" at the end

[undone beacon]

Like this shit ballin

[plush tendon]

could be Augusta but meh

[unkempt hazel]

lookin sharp

[sharp gale]

My druid is female and it’s only because it couldn’t be gnome and male nelf are ugly

[plush tendon]

yea, Female Orc lowkey up there in S tier for plate mog

[undone beacon]

Thats my priest even

[ionic fern]

Definitely.

[lusty grotto]

its monday, so no

[ionic fern]

I was a female orc for a time being

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

Swapped to human now

[plush tendon]

maybe I make another Warrior

[unkempt hazel]

idk if I cook

[plush tendon]

I could use a, check notes, 7th warrior

that I get to 80 and stop playing

[unkempt hazel]

original panda mogs are tough

[undone beacon]

I want to swap to normal orc for better racials and same vibe but then I'd be green

1% pet damage on shadow is actually kinda goated

[unkempt hazel]

and its not easy being green

[plush tendon]

yea, normal Orc is goated

for PVP

i meh on blood fury for PVE, but the stun resist is so good

[sharp gale]

I will not judge someone’s mog bc

[undone beacon]

Bloodfury can just be macro'ed into voidform for bigger burst, 1% pet damage is nice for all the little shit summons shadow makes, etc

[unkempt hazel]

I mean I see the vision

[plush tendon]

I just dont like on-use damage racials

ID rather have a util on-use

[fringe mural]

i love my orc shaman

[plush tendon]

especially with dps between races are so close now

[sharp gale]

[plush tendon]

like, if this was Classic to MoP, I would 100% be a orc

[fringe mural]

Enhancer was profitting double from the racial for a time

[sharp gale]

It’s the first patch I hesitated to race swap bc dmg diff

[plush tendon]

Axe spec and blood fury in a world with most races not having dps racials

[undone beacon]

The util is why I'd swap priest to drac or goblin. The goblin jump is really nice for priest, and the drac glide to knockback cancel + racial CC is kinda goated

[plush tendon]

I play Void Elf priest

[undone beacon]

But then I'd have two drac

[unkempt hazel]

double stats from food tho

[plush tendon]

the update they made to Spatial Rift is really good

[unkempt hazel]

😩

[undone beacon]

isnt spatial still a 3 min cd?

[plush tendon]

when it first came out it was way too slow

but it moves super fast now

[sharp gale]

Im on alleria I have some spriest gobelin jump fails clips

[plush tendon]

yea, its a 3 min

but its like having a Venthyr port

which is nice for jump over lines and pre planning movement

[oak ivy]

personally i swapped to dracthyr during ansurek prog and I have not reconsidered since

[plush tendon]

plus you get a void like theme with your race choice

so it all fits super nice for Shadow

[sharp gale]

Velf is kinda the best for raid warrior

[undone beacon]

Yeah but then i have to pay extra for a faction change

[plush tendon]

wait for sale

thats what I usually do