protection

[steady pond]

That shit is wild, my mage got 2x shoulders, one for each

[toxic pewter]

Same shoulders or different ones?

[north pecan]

So we have an opinion on colossus now, preferably m+ 17 and above?

Havent really played didn't know how often the cd reduction is now, especially if we went crit heavy

[steady pond]

same

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/uXuc.gif

[steady pond]

[lusty grotto]

have you looked at the pins?

[north pecan]

I did, just about easier pickup. Didn't know if anyone had tried it out as high crit

[lusty grotto]

it won't really make a difference

[north pecan]

Gotcha didn't know if the reduction was that much

[lusty grotto]

if rage is used correctly at that level it should be close to the same defensively

however

gathering is not as straightforward

[warm plinth]

you should be close to the same defensively

gottem

[lusty grotto]

so thats the primary weakness of it

[lusty grotto]

[north pecan]

Ya, always thought that was bears greatest strength

Moonfire pulling

[lusty grotto]

im talking thane vs colossus

colossus talents just dont favor TC

so gathering is kind of subpar

if you play with a team, its viable

otherwise, youre kinda fucked

[languid sorrel]

I played a 12~14 with colo to test and I had this feeling, gathering was ass, with Thane is sooo easier

[tribal wharf]

oh ya, i got new dark magician

[warm plinth]

Especially with no more rage from Ava 😢

[north pecan]

Just seemed like I had to plan for taunt for gathering

Which isn't ideal

[lusty grotto]

and no troar

if they made revenge range a bit larger, it could fix its issues for sure

[north pecan]

Aoe*

[languid sorrel]

Guys, the stats still haste > crit > versa/mastery? how we feeling for high keys?
And to complement this question, is there any place I can check what "high io" people are using apart from opening char by char on raiderios leaderboard? I would like to see their stats % if thats even possible

[warm plinth]

That card's description text is honestly so bad lol

[tribal wharf]

i dont think i can use that rn but it should be strong

[lusty grotto]

stats arent as important as you might think, the prio is the same

ilvl > haste > all

[warm plinth]

ilevel>haste>whatever sims better without losing haste

[tribal wharf]

support card at best :S

[steady pond]

U know like i just realized leap reset our taunt after 350h of playing warrior, imagine reading shit

[tribal wharf]

something different to fusion summon, but it needs dragon

[north pecan]

Yea that was a fun realization, or that the aoe from leap does increased threat

[lusty grotto]

there you guy ghash, another one

[north pecan]

So you dont need to chill and thunder

[warm plinth]

ANOTHER

[lusty grotto]

that last one is false

but

heroic throw does increased threat

[north pecan]

I thought it did, am I mistake

[lusty grotto]

you are mistaken yes

[warm plinth]

Heroic Leap's leap does not have a bonus threat mod

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Also

Friendly reminder to go to the gym.

[opal ledge]

can someone teach me how to make logs?
do i need to /combatlog every dungeon? i always forget

[warm plinth]

Without an addon to do it, yes, you will have to type /combatlog each time

[tribal wharf]

someone who understands me

[opal ledge]

thanks... curseforge says loggerhead is outdated, i will try this one

[rotund sluice]

what are people using to track ignore pain absorb value and duration?

[warm plinth]

There is no reason to track either of those things

With proper play, Ignore Pain will take care of itself

[rotund sluice]

thank you for not answering my question

[lusty grotto]

we're using nothing

hope it answers your question

and you're welcome

[toxic pewter]

The ip people are always so aggressive lol

[lament osprey]

TRACKING IGNORE PAIN AGAIN???

[rotund sluice]

if this is a common question maybe a serious response belongs in the pins, before asking the question I did check the pinned comments

[toxic pewter]

That was a serious response

[warm plinth]

I'm honestly baffled that you felt the need to be rude to me after my response. My response was perfectly serious and intended to be helpful.

[lament osprey]

Pretty sure only question asked this month

Yup

It is

[warm plinth]

Like, would you have been happier if I just responded "Nothing"?

[lament osprey]

One would say nothing would be an answer

[warm plinth]

But would it be a SERIOUS answer

[lament osprey]

NO

[lusty grotto]

my answer is very serious

we're using nothing, if anything the in-game cdm and that's it

[warm plinth]

like ffs, what a jerk. Imagine helping someone

[lament osprey]

It’s cause you’re not a rat 🐀

[warm plinth]

It's true, I'm not

[lusty grotto]

if you think its a common question i have something prepared for you: #protection message

[lament osprey]

Should I track my ignore pain on mythic lightbringers?

[rotund sluice]

I don't live on this discord so I don't really have any way of knowing what common topics of conversation are besides checking the pins which I did. I asked a question on how information previously available can be viewed and the response I get was "you think you do but you don't" combined with "sounds like a skill issue bro"

[lusty grotto]

thats fine but I did answer you

[warm plinth]

I have no earthly fucking idea how you read either of those things from my response.

[rotund sluice]

@lusty grotto my initial response was not directed at you

[lusty grotto]

if you think his answer wasn't adequate, maybe provide a bit of more context

[warm plinth]

I'm genuinely blown away at how this interaction has gone so far. It's insane.

[lament osprey]

Tbf can also use search function on top right, channel selection and type search. This most least common tool used imo in all discords

Just a tip

[rotund sluice]

your response was literally, you don't need that, play better it neither addressed the core question or was helpful, the fact that you can't see that speaks more to your lack of self awareness than anything else

[warm plinth]

I didn't tell you to play better. That's 100% in your head.

How the fuck would I even know how you play to tell you that

[lusty grotto]

you guys on myth palabros?

good shit

[lament osprey]

Just a vibe for prot warriors low key

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

gg

someone quit mid key right before first boss and we still time,

[solid sun]

Hey @warm plinth thanks for being available to help answer questions in Skyhold

[warm plinth]

No problem man

[solid sun]

I appreciate you even when the answer receivers don’t

[tribal wharf]

we appreciate your patience while we learn

can you please teach us?

[coarse bay]

I, too, appreciate you

And the rhino

And apb

I see you

Appreciate you

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-fight-me-bet-gif-13938283

[warm plinth]

Thank qtpies

[undone beacon]

Ghash my beloved

[warm plinth]

[toxic pewter]

I appreciate u more

[heavy sparrow]

Guys I rerolled my prot warrior main to another prot warrior so I can work up from scratch

[coarse bay]

This sounds like a sane decision

Every time i make a mirror character i ask myself why and stop after a week or 2

[toxic pewter]

Lol

I should make a mirror char

[coarse bay]

For us causals its more of a pre to early season thing

Prep it before a season and run it for 2 weeks to see who gets better vaults

Pretty much

But im kinda too attached to my characters to play a newer character of same class over them

Although if u want to tank more u can make your dwarf warrior

[opal ledge]

it says i have a nebulus voidcore here, but i dont have one

[opal ledge]

logging work thanks for the help!
i'm making logs now >:)

[toxic pewter]

Makes sense

[languid sorrel]

I see, I was wondering maybe versa this time would be better due to "being hard to survive on high keys"
Thanks you and @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Any time

[lusty grotto]

it wont be better this time

there's no season where versa is better due to "being hard to survive on high keys", this included

the only exception is BFA S4 because you could go versatile and have a shitton of it

[stoic hound]

am I right, the spear also might work as interrupt (since mobs are pulled back?)

[lusty grotto]

no

youre not right

its not a grip

[stoic hound]

thank you

[warm plinth]

Spear only pulls things if they try to leave its range, which mobs that are casting aren't going to do

[opal ledge]

they dont walk as they cast so they will never be pulled back as casting

[warm plinth]

REMEMBER IN BETA THOUGH

😡

Or might have been alpha actually idr

[stoic hound]

but still it can be quite useful in certain scenarios? e.g. on the pull after the first boss in skyreach to help with kitting

[warm plinth]

Yeah it was alpha, man...imagine 🙁

[lusty grotto]

no

its useful to pull shit that is behind barriers there, but thats about it

[warm plinth]

😭

[lusty grotto]

you have other tools that are more than enough for it

piercing howl

shockwave

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto Evercold hype

[severe star]

refunds out yet

[solid sun]

I love you

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

Love you @shut summit hope you’re doing well

[tribal wharf]

now, increase spear dmg by 500% instead

[undone beacon]

Love wins

[severe star]

refunds are coming out tomorrow I guess?

[toxic pewter]

Prob will just be with the weekly reset

[tribal wharf]

i need to get a group to farm a SL thing

for transmog

one of these years

[ivory barn]

cant sheath the 1H sword on hip

[tribal wharf]

i hope some day blizzard can learn , like, proper enchanting application for the weapons some day, like 2h axe it will display on part of handle and towards blade, doesnt contour to swordcurve

and then i log out and its this huge massive overpowered animation and i log in and its a tiny fart of a thiny

mostly with older enchants that are just a glow, that and way to get many of them is old, and out of the way

[toxic pewter]

People on Reddit saying voidcores refunded

Is that true for u guys

[severe star]

I still have 0

[ivory barn]

I only have 1/2

[toxic pewter]

Did you get a duplicate before they fixed the bonus rolls

[ivory barn]

no I used 1 during the bad

[hearty sigil]

so since patch I am soooo squishy. the vers is way too much for 8s, yet I'm still getting my ass kicked. I press use all rage on IP and press shield block on CD. please help 🙁

[warm plinth]

I would immediately say based on your message that you are playing the spec incorrectly. Do you have logs for specific feedback?

@hearty sigil ^

[hearty sigil]

I would assume I am too, but with only 5 buttons to press and being perfectly fine before IDK. I'll look into how to log

[warm plinth]

Well, here are some pretty frequent fundamental mistakes people make with the spec, so you can see if you think any of them fit you in the meantime:

• Spamming Ignore Pain; you should only be using Ignore Pain when above 70 rage as a dump. This will still result in high uptime on Ignore Pain. (See this message for more info on Ignore Pain: #protection message)
• Getting hit in the back; you can't block, dodge, or parry from the back.
• Using Into the Fray before you have enough haste to use Into the Fray (see this message: #protection message), resulting in Shield Block gaps
• Failing to use Shield Wall pre-emptively (despite Blizzard's bizarre decision to attach a large heal via Last Stand to Shield Wall as an option, you never want to use Shield Wall reactively)
• Running one of the trap talent builds that, unfortunately have perfused the community (e.g. no punish build, 1/4 phalanx)
• Overall not pressing buttons enough, resulting in rage waste and/or poor rage generation

[heavy sparrow]

Logs would 100% help

[warm plinth]

Also, here's how to log

Someone earlier said Loggerhead is not updated; I don't know if that's true or not but as it says, other addons do it (Method Raid Tools, Raider.io as examples)

[fair elm]

Question as a returning Prot player: Is SB just not 100% uptime anymore? Unless you're running HR?

[warm plinth]

Until you get at least 1188 haste, you will guaranteed have gaps in Shield Block if not running HR. That includes using Shield Charge. And a lot of people will prefer more than that amount of haste since it will still be close and require paying attention to not have gaps with that number.

[severe star]

are you talking about your Skyreach key?

[fair elm]

Roger that. My dumb ass was running this macro last time I played prot:

#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast [stance:nostance] Battle Stance
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[hearty sigil]

@warm plinth absolute legend

[hearty sigil]

yes. the 8 i just ran

Ive +++9'ed it with no problem. now i can't stay alive in a 8

[heavy sparrow]

If it's any consolation shadow, I'm running HR even though I have over 1188 haste and it's actually so much fun to run HR for free shield blocks

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can definitely do that. It will be significantly less damage than running Into the Fray, but it's an option if you'd rather not have to worry about it.

I ain't gonna judge

[fair elm]

Yeah. I'm gonna get 3k+ with that macro. My new goal. Now to level from 80...

[heavy sparrow]

100% that, practice is practice, as long as it's up

Edit: not the macro, but HR over ITF whether you have the haste or not still good training wheels to have SB up rather than ITF and inconsistent and (un)practiced uptime

[warm plinth]

😱

[fair elm]

😆

[warm plinth]

For any lurkers, you should absolutely NOT use that macro.

But if you're going to use it, you might as well take the stance part out now since it's not possible to have no stance unless you manually turn it off.

[fair elm]

Yeah I don't even think you can manually take it off

[warm plinth]

The game puts you into Defensive Stance automatically when you log in

Yeah I wasn't 100% sure if you could (don't think I've ever tried XD)

[severe star]

both times you died you took over 1.5mil from fiery talon

[warm plinth]

Spicy

[hearty sigil]

where did you get that info LMAO

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming someone else in the group logged your run

[severe star]

you have a log from it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wzXgMT9aFVBCbJA7?fight=5&type=deaths&sourceclass=Any

[hearty sigil]

Even before that, if the monk healer didnt bubble me on CD i was dead lol

[warm plinth]

I'm taking a look at it now so I should have some feedback for ya

[toxic pewter]

If it was skyreach, major pain points in there are the adepts they put a deadly dot on you really hurts

[hearty sigil]

ty @severe star for producing that, and @warm plinth for looking at it. I really appreciate it

I bricked a NPX and MC before that in similiar fashion, just not with a healer that could carry

[warm plinth]

Feedback:

• Lots of wasted rage - make sure you're watching your rage constantly; you generate a lot more than you might think. You're one of the few people who have come here asking for help that is underpressing IP rather than overpressing. See the picture.
• Your blocked hits are great - good job on SB uptime. You did take some shots to the back but no one's perfect and it's not an alarming number
• CD usage looks good for the most part, but you are underusing Avatar and Demo (see point about pressing more buttons)
• Talent build is 10/10. Fearless is pretty meh, and I would definitely take Bounding Stride instead, but it's not the end of the world.
• In general, you should be pressing more buttons. Your cooldown usages are pretty decent other than what I already mentioned, but every rotational button is at least a few casts per minute lower than it should be (SS, IP, Revenge, TC/TB). This will very likely be solved by fixing the rage waste (since that means you'll have Avatar up more, which means TC is up more, which means more rage generation, etc.).

[cold pilot]

Did they change wrecking throw?

[warm plinth]

At what point?

[cold pilot]

I feel like it was an interupt?

[warm plinth]

It is, but only if you're using the Javelineer talent (which you absolutely should be, since it's required for pathing to better talents)

And more accurately, it's a silence, not an interrupt.

[cold pilot]

THATS what it was, thank you ❤️

[warm plinth]

Sounds pedantic but it does actually matter on some enemies

[coarse bay]

like bosses :c

[warm plinth]

Yerp

Bosses and lieutenants hate this one simple trick, so they banned it

[hearty sigil]

Thank you!! I will absolutely take these critiques and hopefully improve. I guess I didnt realize how much rage i was wasting. ❤️

[warm plinth]

It's a common issue; all it takes is a few seconds of being distracted and you just wasted a bunch of rage without realizing

[heavy sparrow]

I thought the same when I started playing again start of TWW. I think it used to be a glyph in wotlk/cataclysm

[warm plinth]

It was, though it was for Pummel and Heroic Throw, not Wrecking Throw (don't think Wrecking/Shattering existed yet, but I could be wrong)

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah that rings a bell, heroic throw was it

[loud rune]

i dont wanna use taunt on mouse hover over, i wanna use taunt only on the click selected target but somehow i cant achieve that

is that a plater setting somewhere maybe

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't that just be pressing taunt?

[loud rune]

i tumbled today multiple times in raids on the issue that i have like for example boss 1 clicked on so the namepalte is focused and big, press taunt while my mouse just hovers over a add or boss 2

and would fail taunt because it prefers the mouse position target over the selected

for some reason

not using any macro for the taunt

[warm plinth]

And you're 100% sure it's taunting the wrong target? Your co-tank isn't trolling by making the boss taunt immune or something?

[loud rune]

yea i see it, and rn i tested it on target dummies

[warm plinth]

I don't know then. There is no default mouseover behavior in the game; you can't mouseover cast unless you use a macro or use the click-casting thing, but pretty sure that's limited to clicks (doesn't even work with additional mouse buttons)

[loud rune]

im going up and down through my few addons and feel like the only one that would have it possibly is plater

[warm plinth]

Search mouseover in your settings; maybe they added mouseover and I missed it

[loud rune]

the blizzy one is disabled

wait

maybe elvui

[warm plinth]

Doesn't the box being filled in mean that's enabled?

[opal ledge]

is there a way to check warcraft logs by ilvl?

[warm plinth]

The drop down box is just to choose a modifier if you want to use one, but pretty sure just having that box checked means you'll mouseover cast by default

[loud rune]

yes

[loud rune]

ure right, lemme test that

😍

works

[warm plinth]

We did it

[loud rune]

cant imagine how hard that trolled me this and last week during the paladin fight in voidspire

well, the other tank got nuked for it

😭

[opal ledge]

is there a option like that for m+? it doesnt show for me, just for raid

[loud rune]

hm actually not

at least i cant find it either

[frosty mango]

Blizzard hire this man

[warm plinth]

[ivory barn]

Rolls are fixed, I just am I noob

[lusty grotto]

they are fixed

he rolled one when they were bugged

[ivory barn]

I wasnt refunded the core tho 🙁

[lusty grotto]

nobody has refunds

they aren't in yet

[ivory barn]

so they just deleted wording off of the bugged items

[lusty grotto]

they are fixed

if you rolled when they were bugged, the item was not removed from the pool

if you roll again, you CAN get the same item

but it is correctly removed

[ivory barn]

so people that rolled early, until the refund are basically screwed

[lusty grotto]

sure but we are getting refunded

so 🤷‍♂️

[drowsy comet]

Yup until u get ur refund

[narrow jay]

Relog I just logged in and got refunded two voidcores

[ivory barn]

🧐

[narrow jay]

I spent two in seat on tuesday and got lucky getting bracers and gloves

Now I have two more to spend

[lusty grotto]

big w

[ivory barn]

I spent one in Nexus Wednesday and got the same ring tonight, w no refund yet

[narrow jay]

To get the refund you needed to have sent rolls before 8pm Wednesday

[ivory barn]

I sent the roll around 10pm Wednesday

[narrow jay]

Ya you might not get a refund sorry 🙁

[ivory barn]

It's a duplicate

[ivory barn]

@narrow jay this post

The ring equipped was bonus rolled Wednesday

[lusty grotto]

they are fixed

for the 2nd time

[ivory barn]

Yeah, I understand it's fixed

Was just explaining to him that I don't have a refund yet

[drowsy comet]

dam ur unlucky

[ivory barn]

Probably

[drowsy comet]

Just get lucky

Duhh

[radiant tinsel]

new to prot is the SS and IP macro bad habbit i see some people using it so i just want to do whats best overall

[mighty valley]

If you mean having IP automatically cast when you press SS, yeah, very bad habit

[radiant tinsel]

word ty

[lusty grotto]

1 shot 1 kill for nimchipadin

ez

[sharp gale]

Gg

Kinda funny it’s basically the same weapon as raid paladins

[lusty grotto]

massive upgrade from champ track lmao

fixed enchant lmao

i just noticed

[undone beacon]

pog

[gleaming widget]

If you have one macro where you have IP + SS and one alone for SS, still bad?

[lusty grotto]

as long as you use the SS one for SS

and the IP + SS one for IP

youre fine

but if youre using the macro to do both, its bad

that macro is not for reducing keybinds

[gleaming widget]

Yee im using only SS when not wanna spend rage on IP, but when i wanna spend on IP and have SS rdy i press the macro

[proud dock]

are balance druid still rando puling stuff not in combat?

[flat peak]

meowdy purrdners sorry to bother; but did they change something with spell reflect? I can't figure out how I reflected 3x on this boss (I'm Kallysterni in this log):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4kCYnGxNAgB6djaF?fight=34&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24234182155.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2423920^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241271579&source=10&start=8130865&end=8136985&ability=23920
I'm so confused as to how I hit Spell Reflect (1 cast) and it has "3 hits" listed?? Also, did they change it so that Spell Reflect isn't eaten when it reflects stuff now? It lasts the full 5s no matter what?

(sorry if it's a crazy noob question I'm a protadin main just trying to be a better prot warrior and looking at my logs)

[lusty grotto]

they did not change anything with SR

but that is

certainly weird

could be the fight is bugged somehow

on a normal log you only get 90k reflects every 50ish seconds

and not every second

or every 2s

yeah looking at logs from today, i dont see any cases such as yours

oh wait

nvm yeah im seeing it

im dumb

this is correct behavior

when you have the dot, the ticks are reflected

it behaves like 1 spell

so you can certainly keep reflecting more than one tick

[flat peak]

holy forking shirt balls I did not know that

✍️ <takes notes>

[lusty grotto]

from the sheet in the pins

[drowsy comet]

Same

[heavy sparrow]

Ravager Q. Tool tip mentioned Ravager, but procs Ravager does not mention this. I haven't really rolled any ravager that much this season because I get less than 5 procs a dungeon usually. Do we know if the procs Ravager reflect the same tooltip as it's adjacent counterpart for the passive procs?

[lusty grotto]

if you mean the bonus damage to TC and Revenge, then yes

whirling blade's proc applies it

[heavy sparrow]

Appreciate that Nim

[vital stirrup]

how does demo shout interact with dots?
like if i demo shout after a boss puts a dot on me will it reduce the damage from the dot?

[fringe venture]

Wich ravager do u guys recommend to use? Active or pasive? I have used both and cant get to a conclussion😅

[jagged pier]

passive

[jagged pier]

snapshotting doesnt exsist it will effect the dot until the DR is finished

[vital stirrup]

was what i thought just wanted to be sure

[narrow jay]

Eyes of the eagle ring enchants are super good now ran a sim using two gives lots of damage compared to the haste I was using before.

Plus being a Tauren thats 6% bonus damage and healing to crits

[ionic fern]

That's fully up to your stats.

[fringe venture]

Thx, It kinda felt for me more confortable and more profitable, needed to compare with y guys to confirm😀

[valid edge]

why do we go crit after haste instead of versa stack? If u look at the mdi tanks, they all stack versa in the past. Kira say it as well for Prot. But if u look at murloc, all high prot tanks stack crit after haste - i am confused

[somber trench]

the last time i asked that question here, i was told it was because crit provides much more damage than verse

and also more physical dmg reduction, which is valued higher than magic dmg reduction (which verse also provides)

[ionic fern]

Because most people go "vers reduces damage taken!!!!". That is true,but so does crit,especially in m+. Parrying is a big part of why crit is so good. Crit also takes less rating for 1 percent than Vers does.

[somber trench]

cos when you're chain pulling in m+, you're mostly taking damage from auto attacks. so crit's block buff gives better DR

in raids, i think verse ranks higher though

[ionic fern]

Nah

Raids is w/e damage taken wise.

[somber trench]

also i have a question.. archon's talents say take 1 apex point. should i be following that? I've been using Icy Vein's build for the longest time

for m+ i should add

[fringe venture]

First of all Im new, started on midnight, but as I am understanding our way if ranking, we most Focus on mitigating than taking lower dmg and also we must do a decent dps for finishing timed m+. So considering this, crit IS better because its parry chance instead of verse wich reduces the dmg taken. We have skills like IP, spell reflect, SB to directly mitigate the dmg, so we are supossed to get more benefit from crit. But thats the humble opinión from a player that quitted on WOTLK and came back on midnight

[fringe venture]

I dont get the point to go that way, less dmg done and more dmg taken. For me 4/4 ápex IS basic, but again thats just my opinnion, im not a pro player

[jagged pier]

no that build is dumb

[cerulean tusk]

u are dumb

1/4 is perfection

point 2 and 3 are dead talents for Col, 0 value. So I rather take whatever else. 4th is decent, kinda 15% more SS dam, but rev is 50% of my dam so meh?

🤷‍♂️

[last pilot]

its my +13 tank

[harsh trellis]

do you have a question?

[last pilot]

Why did he eat so few healstones?

[harsh trellis]

do you have a larger log?

I dont want to see screenshots I want a url to a log file

[last pilot]

This isn't me, it's a random tank from a search, I just posted how he presses the Shield Block "many" times.

[harsh trellis]

cool

[drowsy comet]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/bonus-rolls-what-happened-and-next-steps-2296587

[harsh trellis]

Grats to everyone who got double loot this week

[drowsy comet]

yea

man im getting old clicking these stupid boxes, the worst is you can only buy one at a time

wtf man

[tribal wharf]

POV: You tried to enable more than 1 wow addon thus week

[drowsy comet]

lol

[vital stirrup]

I just bought one of each opened them all then repeat

[prime wyvern]

hello, if someone know how to tank this annoying follower in skyreech they dot me too much in +16 (6tack is too much i don't know how to tank them and kiting all the time is not worth)

[solid sun]

Very short debuff. Stun them and back up so the debuff drops and re-engage

[fringe mural]

you could also try to get more parry so they don't stack as fast

but idk if that is really an option this season

one might take a crit trinket for them

[cerulean tusk]

You use fear or shockwave to break their dot stack, you stagger step backwards, to keep them from re-stack on you instantly

Then just do that for the duration

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/parry-it-parry-it-alicia-e33-gif-5018089436067363878

[fringe mural]

this 😄

[solid sun]

:(

[cerulean tusk]

As BDK I just AMS

dont >:( me

[jagged pier]

but is physical no?

[fringe mural]

yes

[jagged pier]

oh no its fire

[cerulean tusk]

Nop

[fringe mural]

oh wait

fire?

[cerulean tusk]

Fire

[fringe mural]

ah fire talons

[jagged pier]

ye

[cerulean tusk]

Everything in there is fire

[fringe mural]

dude

DUDE

[solid sun]

:(

[cerulean tusk]

It is a SUN temple

[fringe mural]

you can SR the high stacks

[cerulean tusk]

wdum

[fringe mural]

mind blown

[cerulean tusk]

Just AMS and parry with DRW

stand still, sleep

[solid sun]

Yeah just do that

But also sometimes just fall over

Because bdk memes

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/comedy-tim-and-eric-U7isUDZ6VPWJW

[fringe mural]

spell reflect is super nice for those guys then

if you want to have max application

[jagged pier]

I mean 20% dr is nice but at high stacks its still going to rail

[cerulean tusk]

Just ignore pain

[fringe mural]

exactly

[jagged pier]

Insta gone in on tick

[fringe mural]

fight through it

and also track the ip

[cerulean tusk]

Manmode it

[fringe mural]

very important

[solid sun]

Fight through the flames?

[fringe mural]

does ams make you immune to magic dmg?

or just high resist

[cerulean tusk]

No, but it makes you immune to applications

[paper token]

Hey quick question, if I'm lookin to roll up a warrior, it's easiest and most effective to dual spec arms/prot right now yeah?
relatively similar stat prios it seems and arms looks to be in a better place than fury just from cursory research. I definitely plan on doin prot for having a tank for keys but didn't know what to offspec

[jagged pier]

It doesnt matter

[cerulean tusk]

really doesnt matter

[jagged pier]

Pick your favourite

[fringe mural]

fury 4eva

but yeah it's whatever

[cerulean tusk]

Make an alt to DPS o7

[paper token]

Well, I have a main to DPS haha, just tryin to find a tank/dps combo to alt, and since is alt, trying to gear out two sets would be a bit much haha

[jagged pier]

It really doesnt matter, both dps specs like haste

And the secondayr crit or mastery really doesnt matter

Your play matters far more

[paper token]

fair nuff, appreciate the insight

[solid sun]

You could also alt games and play Windrose

[paper token]

Sorry I'm self sadistic and only play disappointing games so my current alt game is BL4

[tribal wharf]

or doom

there is many dooms, and all of them are good

almost never bugs out

stop and start gameplay at any time as many times as i want

the only shit part about it is get to some level, and its got 4000 demons

and all i got is 30 bullets, 8 shotgun shell, 2 rocket and 14 plasma

with no health and armor

[fringe mural]

isn't it pretty useless to run the 8 +10s now?

you can just get a bonus roll from the vault and get your myth item chance in the dungeon you want

rather than have a completely random shot

for raiding the vault might be better because a raiding bonus roll takes 2 tokens

[solid sun]

If you care about optimizing vault rewards it’s still a chance at an item

[fringe mural]

sure, though you gotta run 8 10s

if time is a limiting factor

[solid sun]

Yeah but I’m gonna be running dungeons anyways

Because I like playing the game

[tribal wharf]

i think 9 is the sweet spot

[fringe mural]

i do too, but i also have people that yell "daaaaad"

[tribal wharf]

after you hit 8/8 10s

[fringe mural]

when i start running a key

or "honeeey"

so i need to do activities i can quit right away and continue afterwards

like delves

[solid sun]

8 dungeons that are each less than 30 minutes is pretty low commitment imo. Everyone’s different and has different situations but I haven’t ever found a problem getting dungeons in. I just do mine after my daughter goes to bed

[tribal wharf]

cuz at 9 #1: you will dodge the other tyranical or fort the one that would activate at 10, #2: you get 10 myth crests from it, so 2 is a 100% "1 tap" upgrade chance #3 drops hero track gear, self explanitory

so its faster even really

in theory, right

[fringe mural]

faster for crest farming true

[tribal wharf]

there is always the pug factor

[fringe mural]

but you also have a lot more idiots in 9s

10s are the high dps folks that need to run their 8

they are not in 9s

or not idiots, unexperienced players rather

[solid sun]

I don’t think they’re in 10s

Historically they’ve been in 12s

That’s why a lot of folks here say 12s are easier than 10s

[fringe mural]

because 12s give 15 crests?

[solid sun]

I haven’t pugged much this season but I’d be surprised if that’s changed

[paper token]

issue rarely is doing the dungeons, depending on group availablity and role it's getting into them, not that tanks usually deal with that much

and if you do get into a random group the fact that one person can kinda just, end up making all the time up to the point they show their colors wasted

[solid sun]

Because 12s don’t have annoying affixes anymore and usually the higher you climb the better your pool of players are

Also yeah, tank life ig. Haven’t had many of those issues

[fringe mural]

in 12s the xalatath stuff is removed?

[solid sun]

Like the orbs and stuff?

Yes

[tribal wharf]

you can do whatever the hell you want in a 10

and still time

this was we 4 manned an entire +9 and still timed

[solid sun]

There’s technically a new affix that replaces those, but it’s just a scaling situation

[tribal wharf]

hunter was there for for the first 3 or 4 pulls

that was it

as long as i understand it right the +12 affix is if anybody dies, minus 15 seconds

so have to make sure everyone is locked in

[solid sun]

You overestimate the difficulty

[tribal wharf]

no,

i had 8bit nes

im used to the concept of even touch an enemy and you die

[solid sun]

There is very little locking in required in a 12

[tribal wharf]

oh, overestimate, not understate lol

but my point stands

there is some level of lock in at 12 if its a death = minus 15 s

there is locking in

and then there is locking the fuck in

and then mission from god

[drowsy comet]

time to get my last caches for these transmogs

im free

[tribal wharf]

every single time i go for the weapons one lol

[sour igloo]

The heck is this??

I need a new xmog

[drowsy comet]

The Void T2 sets

[rocky fossil]

silly question time, is DMB/Big wigs better than basic blizz version? I've been using it and I can't say I miss dbm/wigs

[sour igloo]

How the hell you get em

[warm plinth]

All NES were 8-bit sir

[jagged pier]

U do the new contetn ritual sites or void assults

[sour igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-thank-you-bow-steve-carell-gif-5009516783019270794

[jagged pier]

Juat be warned its gacha

U might have to but one chest 12 times to get the ewarrior piece

[shy agate]

you guys know of an alt gearing guide for 12.0.5 tanks?

[jagged pier]

Even tho u can wear all the plate srts which is cool

[drowsy comet]

by doing Ritual sites, you get a new currency, then theres a vendor in silvermoon where u can purchase them

I suggest doing them on t5 with 8 challenges, that way you get the most out of it

https://www.wowhead.com/news/void-tier-2-recolors-from-void-assaults-in-patch-12-0-5-purple-judgment-finally-380764 these are all the sets

and there are a couple of weapon / offhand mogs

[sour igloo]

Is this the same currency to reroll items?

[drowsy comet]

no

its a different currency

[steady pond]

Good morning big boys I need help indentifying why my damage is so low https://br.warcraftlogs.com/reports/16xgqZbAmnGzwMdW?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=154

If u can point the major mistakes im doing so i can work on that appreciate ❤️

[jagged pier]

Low casts and wasted rage

The usual

[stoic hound]

do you use storm bolt only with focus macro and avoid mouseover use?

[warm plinth]

Personal preference. I'm not a fan of mouseover because I can't aim for shit

[compact silo]

healer dying on WS 15+ then bricking the key, and one of the dps dming me "learn how to tank"
i'm like: What? What is there to tank on this boss? You just keep it center

[fringe venture]

Is Chimaerus trinket that good for protection that I should use my bonus roll there?

[drowsy comet]

yes

[fringe venture]

Ok, so if I get to finish the pug raid I am in, I Will roll here, also dont hace either myth chest or boots, so I Will make profit anyways

[stoic hound]

just block them, even if it were on you, everyone make mistakes

[compact silo]

no but fr what IS THERE to tank on this boss???

First time ever i wipe on it and it

i died last 😄

[stoic hound]

if you meant the bird, I do keep it on center too on +15, but I saw in higher keys they bring her to edge

[compact silo]

what for? wont that only make the frontal cone harder to dodge if ranged dps are scratching their ass far away?

[steady pond]

Low cast overall or in some especific ability? and should I be spending more rage in IP i guess for cdr and not wast rage?

[stoic hound]

but that is not the reason to blame tank. Probably they saw it on a high pusher key streamer and decided that if a random tank in their party do not what these streamers do, he can't tank

I timed it keeper her on the center

[jagged pier]

On everything everything slow and u arent spending your rage enough on ip revenge the tldr is press your buttons more

[warm plinth]

• Casts per minute of everything is low
• Talents are wrong (biggest crime is not using Whirling Blade; make the swap in the 1st pic)
• Wasting rage (2nd pic)
• Low blocked hits/a significant amount of hits taken to the back (3rd/4th pics)

[strange epoch]

What’s the benefit of bringing it to the edge? I always just kept it centered but pushing keys this weekend

[warm plinth]

Not all damage-related, but all relevant

[jagged pier]

Hes hr so the low block i reckon is more due to lpw ss casts mostly but also probably low sb too

[warm plinth]

It looks like it's almost exclusively back hits causing the low blocked %. He has very very few hits taken without SB active

He only took 25 hits out of over 1500 without SB up

[stoic hound]

I haven't dig it yet, I just saw it on several different high key tank povs

[steady pond]

Great, thank you guys ill try to improve on that!

Appreciate

Also I was not running whirling blade cuz i wanted to be more tanky xD scared of dying

[jagged pier]

that makes u less tanky tho

its less rage

[steady pond]

oh ok then

its funny that im wasting that much rage cuz at start of pulls im felling rage hungry with this build

[raw whale]

Hey guys, do you know how to set for an advanced sim on raidbots colossal might to 10 on start ?

[strange epoch]

I have avoided taking intervene because I don’t see the value honestly, can someone enlighten me on why it’s good and I’m bad for not taking it?

[jagged pier]

not worth

[unkempt hazel]

its okay if u have good awarness

I personally use it to catch up to ppl

[strange epoch]

Isn’t that what heroic leap is for

[unkempt hazel]

but if I intervene and then leap

more distance

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[strange epoch]

But if tank shouldn’t you already been ahead of everyone?

[unkempt hazel]

I have short legs

[strange epoch]

Shit my condolences

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/short-short-legs-olsen-twins-twins-full-house-gif-4808097

[strange epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-im-sorry-little-one-gif-12454554

[cold pilot]

Time to sim myself

[jagged pier]

doubts its better than the 2 u have

[cold pilot]

Thats A LOT of myth crests for 151 dps lmfao

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[sharp rover]

I just did +16 PoS as prot and honestly, I got fisted. I am not used to feeling squishy, I'm used to sitting on 100% hp with a 200k IP on me

[jagged pier]

this is why u droptimizer dungeons beofre rerolling

[sharp rover]

What's the best way to adjust survivability up without killing your damage entirely? Any big trinkets?

[jagged pier]

need to see logs

[sharp rover]

Colo because playing MT wants me want to kms myself

[sharp rover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NzwTQ94vx2gdWXA6?fight=last&type=damage-taken

I just swapped from armour specialization to fight though the flames*

[cold pilot]

Well my character is almost full bis and I don't see my guild killing mythic bosses cause they are a fun first guild and dont kick low dps so i figured yolo

[granite dock]

Am I missing something or is demolish basically the only thing applying deep wounds these days?

[ionic fern]

Correct. And Execute.

[granite dock]

So all of the synergy with deep wounds healing that we got last exp is close to dead?

Like the talent that increases deep wounds dmg with demolish stacks feel kind of pointless

[sharp rover]

We still get a pretty respectable amount of healing from rend

[granite dock]

I'm just in a state of "Why does it feel like warrior is not really looked at" - mood

[raw whale]

Found it myself if someone is interested, you can set on start a value of a specific buff using

override.precombat_state=buff.colossal_might.stack=10

[sharp rover]

[warm plinth]

The synergy is all still there, but deep wounds itself is just trash now. Not that it was ever something we cared about really (the spell itself or the synergy). It was just there.

[granite dock]

Yeah I guess. Just feels wierd to me that deep wounds exist but not really.

[jagged pier]

your casts are a bit low in general, your wasting a toen ofr rage, which as colossus u really really cannot afford to do

your running ITF instead of HR without the right amount of haste

so not block as much as u should

[opal ledge]

nice!

[sharp rover]

How are you calculating low casts?

Wasting rage is a fair cop, and looking through logs I'm honestly shocked that I'm only blocking ~75% of hits

[jagged pier]

its a vibe but i base stuff based of what i see in my logs

ive im casting 2-3 more SSs per minute etc theres an issue there

[jagged pier]

yes travel time etc

that has nothgint to do with anything

[sharp rover]

Downtime here is most likely travel time, which suggests many of the non-blocked hits are from the side/back as I move

[fluid widget]

We’re in a pretty good place

[jagged pier]

this is what u care about

u being hit in the back a fair bit

[granite dock]

Yeah prot feels better than fury for sure, I mostly tank M+ cause I have to.

[sharp rover]

Because I've been playing low level keys where I've been greedily pressing more Revenge and less SS

Bad habit and I need to prioritise SS more

[sharp gale]

Just think : SS does more dmg than revenge

But it’s indirect dmg

[sharp rover]

[jagged pier]

like this is mine from today vesrsus yours yes theres a a difference

revenge being top is fine

but look at the rage difference

[sharp gale]

Like it gives you rage which is indirect dmg, like you bc an cast more revenges down the line

[jagged pier]

in 6 mins less i generated more rage than u and wasted less

like this is why the class can snow ball ither way

and when ppl say rage gen or spending doesnt matter is just wrong

like 8 more violent outbursts in 6 less minutes that more SS damage even more rage gen etc etc and the cycle continues

[sharp rover]

What talents are you running/how much haste do you have?

[jagged pier]

the same as u and about 20 less haste but i wasnt flasked ither

so like 200 less haste

[sharp rover]

Hmm... strange

[orchid mural]

Hmm. got my bonus roll currency in the mail this morning. only 1 though.

anyone else?

anyone get 2?

thought i used both of mine before the 'fix' happened. I may be forgetting.

[jagged pier]

thats not strange thats u not pressing buttons and wasting all that rage

[strange epoch]

Gotta remember your ABC’s - always be castin

[sharp rover]

I'd appreciate it if you gave me the benefit of the doubt that I understand the basics of playing WoW

Considering I posted logs with a 95th parse for key level

So yeah, it is really strange that you're getting so many more casts per minute

[solid sun]

Do you have the ability to record your gameplay? You might be surprised what you find during a watch back

Iirc key level parses aren’t very useful but I may be thinking of the wrong metric

[sharp rover]

My first assumption was wildly different GCD speed due to me wearing Arms gear, but if that's not the case then it could be difference in rage gen through HR, or Instigator

[jagged pier]

im wearing arms gear

u just arent pressing buttons

[sharp rover]

Yeah key level parses are pretty nebulous, but the point is that I know wat I'm doing well enough that I don't need advice on the tier of "keep your GCD spinning"

[strange epoch]

Just for my own knowledge, how are Tank parses calculated anyway?

[jagged pier]

i mean most ppl doing 16s are running 1/4 from some reason

so do negative damage

[solid sun]

I just get the sense that you’re offended by the notion that you aren’t pressing buttons

So I’d recommend recording gameplay if you can

Then either you’re right or you’ll be surprised

I certainly know I need to be pressing buttons, but the first time I did H Alleria I was so focused on not getting hit by bad stuff and aiming arrows my uptime was horrific and I gray parsed

[jagged pier]

like 2 missed gcds here

[solid sun]

At the end of the day I just didnt press buttons

But in the moment it never even crossed my mind

Just trying to add a little perspective at my own expense to potentially help the vibes

[jagged pier]

like its not hard to find places were u arent pressing buttons everynow and then mid pull

[solid sun]

I keep seeing that qt @warm plinth typing and then they vanish

[sharp rover]

It's 1 a.m. but I'll run another PoS with Instigator/HR and see if that changes anything

[cerulean tusk]

Can I with this start to be an authority to say: Buff BDK?

Cause buff BDK, it feels awful

[warm plinth]

I was considering saying things, a few times. Decided not to.

[solid sun]

I get it

[jagged pier]

omg why arent u running forthering bersker

WHY ARE PPL NOT RUNNING ANYMORE

i dont even check its so dumb not to run it even as thane

[cerulean tusk]

He heck is forthering bersker?

[jagged pier]

why is this a thing

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds like a really bad cup of coffee

[sharp gale]

Idk it’s free loss, so why not untalent it

[cerulean tusk]

You dont press rev either way, you press IP

you silly

[sharp rover]

What do you drop for it?

[cerulean tusk]

Spellbreaker

[jagged pier]

what do u mean what do u drop for it

theres nothing to drop

its like the best talent on that row

which streamer or site doesnt have it talented

[sharp gale]

What do you take against frothing berserker

[cerulean tusk]

Forthing bersker*

Jakey has spoken

[jagged pier]

the fucking useless bandage talent

[opal ledge]

they reseted the loot table

[sharp rover]

Field dressing/3% lech/pain and gain

[cerulean tusk]

No fucking way they use the talent that doesnt even work?

No way

[jagged pier]

no your rolls never cleared the loot table to begin with

[cerulean tusk]

no fucking way

[sharp rover]

Does 10% self healing not apply to IP?

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

I cant

who made that troll!

10/10

[opal ledge]

it did, last week i was not bugged

[cerulean tusk]

I love it!

Someone is winning a bet

100%

First Shield Specialisation, now Frothing. The troll is going deeper than ever

I love it

[sharp gale]

Crackling > frothing too

[jagged pier]

also running endless rage which has on use

and its not in PoS

[sharp rover]

So field dressing -> frothing

[warm plinth]

Guide takes field dressing over fb

[sharp rover]

Anything else?

[jagged pier]

not mwahis

cause im using his

[warm plinth]

It does

For thane

[cerulean tusk]

Friendly reminder that WoWhead guide is made by a bear

[jagged pier]

still dumb imo u arent ever going to tell that bandage talent exsists

it literally does nothing

[warm plinth]

I agree

[sharp rover]

Does field dressing not work on IP?

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter if it does IP is just a rage dump anyway

i guess IV being 35% is good in niche cases like NPX

but again like endless rage has its place

in 1 or 2 dungeons

10% increase to IP would still mean u cap in 3 casts anyway

like it wont make the cap bigger

the amount it gives might increase but that doesnt matter

[solid sun]

Well Jakey

I kinda like frothing beer

[cerulean tusk]

Wonder if they ever fixed it, so it works on Indom, LS, VR, SW and leech

[solid sun]

But I’d rather be a more reasonable berserker

Like cat

Cat very reasonable

[opal ledge]

field dressing is goat, makes your healer life easier

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, cause warrior is such a burden to keep up

[solid sun]

All memes aside I trust Jakey

Especially over petri

Petri always being a goober

[cerulean tusk]

I trust Jakey the day Jakey gives me a timeout

[opal ledge]

i just like my tank to be tank 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

I rather have my tank tank, than tank being a healing dummy

[solid sun]

Field dressing doesn’t make pwar a tank

[tired girder]

Am i blind?
Where is the talent blood and thunder that apllies rend to enemies?
Was trying to understand the synergy but i cant find it

[solid sun]

Field dressings are for medics

[solid sun]

Read the tclap talent. It’s baked in

[cerulean tusk]

Not going to lie, I find it hillarious that ppl remove DR, then spec into more HPS increases to counteract that

[jagged pier]

it doesnt effect IP max shield is the same like stack u get are the same with and without the talent at a quick dummby check

[cerulean tusk]

It is kinda silly

[opal ledge]

13% healing is lot
helps especially in first pull agethar where you can go 110k hps and make things smooth

[solid sun]

13% of what

[opal ledge]

you are not getting ip max shield in intense damage situations

[opal ledge]

13% extra healing

[jagged pier]

so then why does 10% increase on it matter?

[cerulean tusk]

Apparently it is 13%

[opal ledge]

it's 10% more ignored damge, since it's not hitting the cap because dmg is consuming it

[jagged pier]

but it gives the same absorb

on 1 press

with or without the talent

so its not

[opal ledge]

it's 3% for all healing and more 10% for ur own healing

[cerulean tusk]

I thought it was like 3% on healing taken, 10% from selfhealing

yeyeye

[opal ledge]

no, it's 10% more

[cerulean tusk]

So it aint 13% from healers

it is so bad

[jagged pier]

its not

[solid sun]

Jakey aren’t you testing it rn

[jagged pier]

i literally just did it in game

[solid sun]

lol ok thought so

[jagged pier]

IP doesnt heal u

[cerulean tusk]

Yes?

We know this

[jagged pier]

its an absorb, they dont always count as healing

[glass fox]

I'm playing Prot warr as an M+ alt. First vault i get myth weapon (Mast/Haste), second vault I can take myth shield (Mast/Crit) or myth tank trinket from POS.

Raider.io shows several of the top prot warriors taking an on-use defensive trinket (mostly the Skyreach one, but one with the POS one).

So, my options are:

A) Take shield, craft arcanoweave in two slots, hunt for skyreach trinket on hero track.

B) Take myth Rotting Globule, craft shield with hunt, boots with arcanoweave.

Which would you recommend?

[jagged pier]

u know u cant trust tooltips funky

[ivory barn]

so dreams really do come true!

[cerulean tusk]

Mind checking if they fixed the interactions not working with anything?

Last time I did, nothing worked

it was a 3% more taken from healer HPS

that was it

[jagged pier]

well it will effect IV im pretty sure

[cerulean tusk]

As our healing is % based, not a AP value to modify

nice, they fixed it!

if so

I sent two sets of bug reports on that alone :v

[opal ledge]

first pull algethar: field dressing does a nice job here for a single talent point

[cerulean tusk]

So in that situation, if it works, it would be +3.8% effective healing

very wow

[solid sun]

I don’t see field dressing listed, am I blind

[opal ledge]

no, it also affects indomitable and last stand (i think it does affect ignore pain but maybe i'm wrong)
idk if it affects leech

[solid sun]

What am I supposed to glean from that healing breakdown

[cerulean tusk]

That it is 10% of all that, if you ignore how it works

o7

[jagged pier]

1x1.1 wow

thats a lot of healing

[cerulean tusk]

well, 13%, to be fair

so 1x1.13

[jagged pier]

guys

[cerulean tusk]

giga value

[jagged pier]

yes

its not addative

so if it effects IP

[grand stratus]

Why stop at 13%
In my head it's 15% if i continue to ignore how it works

[jagged pier]

its 4k more damage per press if it works

[cerulean tusk]

Holeyyyy

[jagged pier]

~ish

cause its like 40 somethingk per press

GIGA

[solid sun]

But you said it doesn’t work on ip

[heavy sparrow]

so what is this are we making salad now boys

[solid sun]

So why are we exploring that

[jagged pier]

i get too many proc etc to be sure

and im too lazy

to log

[cerulean tusk]

You know what is kinda like 10% more IP value?

Frothing

[solid sun]

Shield

[opal ledge]

well i play both frothing and field dressing

[jagged pier]

u got a log?

[cerulean tusk]

THAT IS LIKE 30% MORE IP VALUE

Holey

[buoyant mirage]

i've got heart of wind and ancient hunger both at 276, hunger sims better for dps, but if I want more survivability is it heart of wind?

[cerulean tusk]

Dude, that is like 8% EFFECTIVE OVERALL HEALING from your logs!!

[jagged pier]

they will do the same

[cerulean tusk]

Crazy value

[opal ledge]

i found heart of wind especially good if u want to play ITF

[solid sun]

I think you should try bdk petri

I think death strike is your kinda button

[cerulean tusk]

I wouldnt recommend BDK to anyone

it is really down bad

Plays like shit

[grand stratus]

I heard you can take field dressing for 13% more IP and that is better than thinking about trinkets

[opal ledge]

i was a main blood dk btw LOL

[solid sun]

See

[buoyant mirage]

dont have enough haste to swap to itf yet D:

[solid sun]

I’m very observant

[opal ledge]

getting one shot is boring tho

[solid sun]

:)

[cerulean tusk]

Now it makes sense that he cares about HPS vs EDTPS

[jagged pier]

im only asking because looking at my most recent AA first pull my IP is doing 20k more hps than yours

[solid sun]

Cat, bdk has done 20s

[jagged pier]

and i dont run field dressing are u just not pressing it?

not that hps on IP matters

[cerulean tusk]

And?

It PLAYS like shit

[solid sun]

How it down bad. It’s better than vdh

[cerulean tusk]

You can get across a bridge naked dragging yourself over rusty nails

doesnt make it pleasant

[opal ledge]

i'm not that good

[solid sun]

Idk isn’t that a subjective thing

[cerulean tusk]

No

I am talking objective truth

[solid sun]

I have a mate who is enjoying their bdk quite a bit

[cerulean tusk]

BDK plays like shit

[solid sun]

And has been playing it for a long long time

[cerulean tusk]

He is clincially insane and needs to get into a padded room

You wondering why a coocoo is enjoying the smell of colour?

[solid sun]

Well that’s probably also true but for different reasons

Guilford playing bdk too

[jagged pier]

ever liking bdk ever means u need to be shut away

[cerulean tusk]

Plz no

jakey

I behave

[opal ledge]

no field dressing. 1 ip cast

[solid sun]

I don’t think our boyo guil is insane

[opal ledge]

with field dressing, 1 ip 10% more it works

[jagged pier]

u need to log it

u could have had procs etc

[cerulean tusk]

Nah I will trust it

[jagged pier]

i mean as i said all the way at the beginning

it doesnt matter

[cerulean tusk]

I dont think it moves the needle of the point

[opal ledge]

just test yourself then

[cerulean tusk]

but I am glad to see they fixed dressing

[jagged pier]

i mean look at my AA pull

40k IP vs petris 22k

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey, that is more bout skill

than ability function

[jagged pier]

just press it more forehead

[cerulean tusk]

come on

You being difficult

[opal ledge]

22k what?

[cerulean tusk]

I love that Jakey is trying to win a HPS discussion with a BDK main, he got no chance

poor lad

BDK was born from HPS

[opal ledge]

my point is:
it affects IP. and telling it doesnt is just wrong...
you can dislike the talent, that's subjective

[jagged pier]

#protection message as i said it doesnt matter

[cerulean tusk]

why u tapping me with that, hmm?

trying to prove something

[jagged pier]

what i actually said is, i dont know and ither way it doesnt matter IP is a rage dump

and stopping 8k more damage per cast also does nothing

[glass fox]

thank you homie

[opal ledge]

that's what you said.

[ionic yarrow]

So is there a point where switching to Fight through the Flames makes sense? I see it's hitting 20% usage in top100 for NPX

[grand stratus]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1271926/field-dressing

[jagged pier]

#protection message i then said this

🙂

[grand stratus]

Doesnt affect IP

Solved

Move on

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

Oh because Ip isn’t listed there

[grand stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[solid sun]

Dang this person just walks in here and slaps down the spell page

“Shut up nerds”

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue

[jagged pier]

if thats to be trusted, not always accurate looks like my assupmtion was correct in the first place absorbs are weird

[cerulean tusk]

I am just glad they finally fixed dressing

I take that W

I wont use it, but I like that it works

[solid sun]

We just aren’t an hps tank anyways

[grand stratus]

Yeah absorbs are weird, but i just assume % healing is actual healing and never includes absorbs more of the time

[solid sun]

Weird discussion

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, discussion spiraled and we just made it more fun as ppl hyperfocus

always how it is

[solid sun]

No

[jagged pier]

look rhino its not a day in SH if there is not a weird discussion about some mundain tompic its not SH

[solid sun]

Also

Cat

[cerulean tusk]

Sup?

[jagged pier]

cat

[solid sun]

Have you ever seen my little homie

[jagged pier]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zootopia-blankstare-nickstare-G3l2RIGtIgmIrZMSSU

[jagged pier]

but more

[undone beacon]

What kind of dressing we use here?

Thousand islanders in the chat?

[sharp rover]

So, I did another PoS 16 (that we failed due to a visual bug)

With the different talent setup

[undone beacon]

Visual bug?

[cerulean tusk]

omg

[solid sun]

Lookit him. His name is Soup

[sharp rover]

Interesting results

[cerulean tusk]

Now Soup is to eat up

look at him

[opal ledge]

idk what to dungeon use my coins... i used 3 coin in skyreach, but got no shield or weapon (got prism trinket)
i don't wanna risk get same itens again, so maybe i should roll algethar or magister

[undone beacon]

Souper

[cerulean tusk]

LOOK AT HIM

[sharp rover]

DK froze the wrong bone pile, swearing up and down it was glowing on his screen

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

Just look

[undone beacon]

cap

[sharp rover]

So clearly there was an issue with the talent setup I was running

Because how the fuck do I generate 50% more rage in the second run?

[undone beacon]

Sounds like there was also a substantial skill issue in the first run but I wasn’t here to see the before and after talents

[jagged pier]

id need to see the log

[solid sun]

You’re also now aware

That you weren’t pressing buttons

[sharp rover]

Some things aren't analagous because it's a 27 min run vs a 33 min run

[solid sun]

So the second run you probably made sure you were for sure pressing buttons

The psychological element

[undone beacon]

Gotta hit shield slam

Big slammy

[jagged pier]

i mean i was comparing a 21 min versus your 27 so u can tell some things

[sharp rover]

First run https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NzwTQ94vx2gdWXA6?fight=last&type=casts&source=2
Second run
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Hv2FGLhzCrPVRB6d?fight=last&type=casts&source=1

[jagged pier]

just shoot it over it might just be the extra tiem

[solid sun]

I know for sure when pash told me I was being lazy

And not pressing buttons

[sharp rover]

Some of it is definitely the extra 6 minutes

But even accounting for that, that's way too large a margin

[solid sun]

I was extra aware

Can’t let pash be seeing that side of me yknow

[jagged pier]

hover over the melee column

what we can see if when play ITF or HR there isnt a difference in your blocked hits really

which a bit worrying

well one your running ravager?

the other whirling blade

[sharp rover]

Yeah, swapped to WB as well

Quite a few talent changes overall