protection

[undone beacon]

its just not a bug

[white stag]

I think I’ll just have a backup shield and auto hammer for ooopsies

[tight tusk]

This is peak gameplay right here

[lofty warren]

Dark iron dwarf is arguably better than dwarf early in season (or so did yoda say). His logic made sense to me and im sure it depends on the situation when which race is better

[undone beacon]

No, you can buy them off the AH for like 100g a pop

[night radish]

i have had my shield break so many times now that I carry those repair items

[harsh trellis]

OK legit... asking for help. lol wtf am I doin wrong with the bot https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gyRkKgAD4jyKTndUFhpADo

[outer willow]

Sold. Ty

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with it?

[undone beacon]

?

Also why run gathering clouds

[night radish]

you can also buy these but it only repairs one slot

[harsh trellis]

I just was simming against both for npx

[undone beacon]

also requires you to be a blacksmith

Hm. Whats the issue with the sim?

[lusty grotto]

i dont understand

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/حضن-بو-gif-873756486592965272

Nature is healing

[toxic pewter]

are those things pretty cheap to make i assume right

[night radish]

yeah

[undone beacon]

nice thing about hammers is anyone in group can use em

[ivory barn]

14 hammers for 100% repair

[lusty grotto]

devouring barding

[harsh trellis]

ok so I guess the 212 k dps thing was not a legit dps sim?

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest

i have a huge problem following you

i dont see any issue in that sim

what 212k dps thing?

[undone beacon]

This?

[lusty grotto]

thats an aoe sim

[undone beacon]

This is a 5 target 1 minute 30 sim

[harsh trellis]

oh

ok

[undone beacon]

Completely different sim lol

[harsh trellis]

I was like wtf

[undone beacon]

goober

[solid sun]

Wait

I thought this was Nim

Was it Nim (not chip) or Nav who was going 1/4

And we tried to convince them

[lofty warren]

In +15 mt we were going to time and i went up the circle staircase and the hunter hit the pack at the bottom of the stairs so all those came back and wiped group.. and we still would have timed but then he said he had 0 equipment durability and was doing like 30k dps.. and then we missed timer.

How to fix

[undone beacon]

dont even bring up apex bullshit please

[harsh trellis]

I was using 1/4 after patch I changed it all back to 4/4

all my builds are back to 4/4

[solid sun]

But this is a happy one!

Nav has joined us!

[undone beacon]

[harsh trellis]

Well I was trying to see why the spec was feeling slow

[lofty warren]

Kira tv and other tanks were using 1/4 before they moved the dr to 4/4 perk

[harsh trellis]

like really slow to what I was used to

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what apex has to do with sims but 🤷‍♂️

[loud rune]

XD

[undone beacon]

unrelated to that, why the frick does china constantly get cool mounts and cosmetics bruv

[loud rune]

peak blizzard

[lusty grotto]

we're going in multiple tangents

[harsh trellis]

Yes

im going back to trying to figure out what to get out of my vault

cause this is annoying af right now

it keeps flip flopping

[lusty grotto]

idk seems pretty clear to me

pick belt, thats it

[undone beacon]

^

[severe star]

my sim is bugging a little bit it says my current gear is -0.3%

[ivory barn]

I logged out in fury dam it, wanted to see prot sim

[woven radish]

I would image that's disrupting shout all of the orb affix

[ivory barn]

Blow a 1.5m CD for that

[lusty grotto]

why not

are you holding it for the next dungeon or something?

[daring marlin]

I use gorefiend's for the affix on my bdk

cuz I just do 10 keys

[undone beacon]

would much rather get all the orbs my bitchass pug dps arent going to get, over all the mobs getting a phat DR

[daring marlin]

but I wanna do 12s this week cuz fuck that affix

[ivory barn]

I normally hold it for a massive pull to gain threat on all of it so DPS don't rip

[daring marlin]

everybody is stupid about it

[lusty grotto]

bruh on a 10?

are you doing negative dps or something?

[ivory barn]

Sadly, my max DPS in keys is like 70k overall

[lusty grotto]

thats enough for 10s

more than enough

[ivory barn]

When DPS pull threat busting it doesn't feel that way 😭

[lusty grotto]

so taunt

idk what youre doing but

losing agro on a 10 seems like a huge skill issue

[lofty warren]

You can aoe stomp to get threat but of the havoc is blowing his load on a mob that you tickled whole gathering i say that is his fault

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto look at me

[ivory barn]

Welcome to me and 10's. It's something that keeps me wanting to play fury, but I can't

[daring marlin]

I love this bonk mace

[lusty grotto]

looks good

[ivory barn]

I felt like stomp wasn't enough, and DPS never wait for me to gather

[daring marlin]

the weapons from manaforge omega match the current tier mythic so well lol

[solid sun]

What does that number indicate

[undone beacon]

"segment 15", which was just the overall

[lofty warren]

If you ask them to chill on specific big pulls/ask rogue or hunter to md you (you'd be surprised how many times its not done at all). Also if they are in bis gear and youre only like 260 ilvl then they may rip threat too. Thats all I got to fix

[solid sun]

Gotcha. I originally saw it and assumed it meant +15

But obviously you didn’t refute the affix so it couldn’t have been that

Then I thought pull 15 but there’s no way that’s a single pull

Didn’t think about one of the segments in the list of pulls being overall

[toxic pewter]

wat the best 1h bonk weapon

[dusky canopy]

Nice hammer!

[plush tendon]

you gotta be a blood elf paladin

the people in Silvermoon say nice things to you

[undone beacon]

im a mag'har spriest and the guards just glare at me constantly

[plush tendon]

I mean... I would to

thats a silly combo

[undone beacon]

Nuh uh

[hardy snow]

first bonusroll

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[lusty grotto]

gz jawor!

[solid sun]

Grats

[frozen berry]

Anyone know if they fixed the bonus roll bug?

[undone beacon]

The Shadowmoon Clan drew forbidden void powers from the dark star, which was the void corrupted naaru K'ara, who was ejected from the crashed Genedar ship that brought draenei to Draenor. So a shadowmoon clan exile that utilizes the powers of the void is not only canonically accurate, but cool and sexy

[toxic pewter]

grats!

[undone beacon]

noice

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-happy-funny-śmiech-gif-22074544

[chilly brook]

how many hero crests do you get from tier 11 delves?

[hardy snow]

thanks, now I dont know what to waste next week roll, alleria out of my range for now 😄

[undone beacon]

bank em or figure out a dungeon to send em in

[toxic pewter]

is this what is called loremogging is that what the kids say now did u just loremog thata individual am i using this right

loremaxxing

[fringe mural]

A lot

if you open the bountiful coffer you get at least 20 per delve i think

but not sure exactly how many

[chilly brook]

is it only bountiful that gives crests?

[cedar rune]

ye

[chilly brook]

also wtf

my strafe isn't working???

[magic thunder]

delve problem

Either log onto another character then back in or delete cache folder

[fiery sable]

Will do thanks for the heads-up 🤝

[lusty grotto]

[near dome]

Got dragongames Trinket Today. 🙂

[undone beacon]

Sadge

[daring marlin]

meh, my pally was one once

[dense remnant]

wowhead talent page "raid colossus" links to a thane build btw

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank

[plush tendon]

we currently do not recommend the wowhead guide; the og writer Nom retired

and the guy who writes it now is not a Prot War main (and we dont know him)

we use Icy Veins for the time being since that is written by Mwahi

[ionic fern]

Woah, saying it like IV is usually bad.

[undone beacon]

sighhhh i GUESSS we are using IV for nowwwww

[ivory barn]

IV is known for sus information depending on the class, but prot war ain't one of those!

[solid sun]

Maybe you’re known for sus information!

[ivory barn]

[undone beacon]

i put the ussy in sussy

[shy ocean]

I have a question for prot in m+ what’s the difference between the 4/4 apex build and the 1/4 that I see a bunch of top prot warriors use

[undone beacon]

The 1/4 apex build is bad. Don't use it

[ivory barn]

I've used IV this season and haven't been disappointed

[undone beacon]

Its outdated

[ivory barn]

The 1/4 is a trap

[lusty grotto]

the difference is you gain 15k dps and 5% DR as 4/4

12k dps and 5% DR if you go 4/4 WITH their so called defensive talents

you wanna nerf your dps/threat and remove 5% DR? then go 1/4

[shy ocean]

Thx was just curious

[ivory barn]

I'm trying to find a way to sim my character as prot when I logged out in fury

[ionic fern]

Including gear?

[undone beacon]

Log back in

otherwise, you cant

[ivory barn]

Only thing changed is shield/sword

[plush tendon]

ill be real, Wowhead sounds official and Icy Veins sounds bootleg

[undone beacon]

If you dont have the simc string, raidbots just pulls a string from armory. So if you logged out as fury, you're outta luck

[plush tendon]

[ionic fern]

I'll boot my leg in yo...

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-ball-ball-kick-gif-15177767

[ionic fern]

If you know your shield/weapoin you can just add those into the SIMC string

and modify it to prot.

[plush tendon]

case in point, there is a news channel in Skyhold that links wowhead articles

which is the same in most wow discords

and yet I dont see any icy veins

[ivory barn]

, hmmmm ok lemme go try that

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

Can you pull the simc string that is generated from armory?

[ivory barn]

Through quicksim yeah

[undone beacon]

oh my god look at that, in tiny letters theres a "convert to simc input" button

crazy

[ionic fern]

You can.

[undone beacon]

yeah i just discovered that lmao

Who woulda thunk it

[daring marlin]

first time?

smh pash god

[undone beacon]

i know, skill issue

[ivory barn]

I just need to remember what the fuck I did for talents

[undone beacon]

i also dont sim unless im like, at home and able to play cuz whats the point otherwise

if i sim anytime else imma just forget about it because i cant focus

[upbeat plover]

Blue talking

runscared

[ivory barn]

My brain fried itself trying to convert the string lol

[ionic fern]

What? 😂

What weapon you had?

What shield?

And char name

Smh.

[ivory barn]

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Gridwar?loadout=logged-raid__247719113

Grabbed the pull from last night

I'm mad now..... Only 2/4 apex talent. According to that log

[strange epoch]

For pushing 15+ keys, is Colossus or Thane better

[ionic fern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ejvESCnsd2o1U49GdWwdo

I slapped the default SIMC talents.

[ionic fern]

MT, but Colossus is not going to hinder you if you want to play it, it's also in a great spot.

[ivory barn]

I appreciate you

[ionic fern]

[ivory barn]

Because I just went to the log with those talents...
And boi am I pissed at myself

Oh ok, raiderIO is fucking with me

[lofty warren]

There is no world where the first 298 upgrade shouldn't be shield. Right?

[cerulean tusk]

someone will suggest it, and I will screetch and reeee, then get muted for a hour

[chilly brook]

officially done with hero crests

ez pz

almost 280ilvl

[lusty grotto]

doing better than me

but i should be done this week too, i just havent done shit

[lofty warren]

What would be the suggestion and is iy ever right?

[ionic fern]

Mine's going to be a weapon.

[severe star]

if I wasnt stuck with a normal trinket for 5 weeks at this point I could be 280

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/disneypixar-disney-pixar-11tTNkNy1SdXGg

[lofty warren]

why weapon?

[severe star]

more damage

[cerulean tusk]

Cause why be immortal, when you can get a bit more DPS

[ionic fern]

Jep.

I'm, already tank enough

Gimme that dps.

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, u get that shield DR

[ionic fern]

Nah.

[cerulean tusk]

this user has been timed out

[lofty warren]

Hmm getting more shield ilvl also gives some dps is it that big of a dps gain?

[lusty grotto]

not as big as the defensive gain

[lofty warren]

For 5 target patch 1.5 min & 285 ilvl starting with both shield and weapon can the ? Be populated?

Ehrps % diff with 298 shield compared to 1h: ?

Dps % diff with 298 shield compared to 1h: ?

[severe star]

is the bird shield the best one

acutally let me rephrase that whats the best m+ shield or just sim it

[ionic fern]

Magister's Terrace drops a Crit/Mastery shield.

[lusty grotto]

depends on your stats

[plush tendon]

the raid shields look pretty good

[severe star]

alright sr it is

[plush tendon]

honestly, you gotta get the PVP tmog shield

[lusty grotto]

NPX has the same stat spread as the raid shields

[plush tendon]

its red and black

[ivory barn]

Weapon/shield prot and weapon for fury

[lofty warren]

I think im tanky enough but even in 15s I see my bsv is getting procced.

Does it make sense to bonus roll for a m+ shield ==> 298 upgrade it instead of just boosting up the crafted weapon?

[cerulean tusk]

Playing Fury in 2026

[ivory barn]

I do it for raid, because I off tank when a tank is absent

They don't expect much

[lusty grotto]

they didnt get it cat

[lofty warren]

Whats better?

1. Upgrade crafted shield to 298

2. Bonus roll a shield, upgrade it to 298, and make crafted for some other slot

[cerulean tusk]

as long rat does, I happy

[ivory barn]

Upgrade weap/shield to 298 is what I'd do

[lofty warren]

That doesn't answer my question 😭

[lusty grotto]

pepega

why do you even have

a 298 shield

when its SECOND on the crafted list thats pinned

[lofty warren]

Yes I see it. I have 2 crafted items and 1 is 1h weapon and the other is shield

[lusty grotto]

ok

you mean to upgrade the crafted shield

wwith the hammer

which you CANNOT DO

because its not available to do so right noww

[lofty warren]

Omg why

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lofty warren]

The thing said you can upgrade 298 weapons. Shield goes into weapon slot??

[frosty mango]

Can’t upgrade anything right now

Not available to do

[lusty grotto]

come back in 4 weeks

[ivory barn]

Stap it, blizzard logic doesn't exist

[sly depot]

Also crafted will only go to 295 correct?

[lofty warren]

I thought that the 298 and bonus rolls were available as soon as 12.5 went live

[toxic pewter]

yes max rank myth cafted goes to 295

[undone beacon]

Bonus rolls are available now. Upgrades will be in four weeks.

Literally not available

[ivory barn]

"let's wait for over half the season to be over to implement a catch-up mechanic"

[lusty grotto]

thats not a catch up mechanic

[undone beacon]

Its not a catch-up, its a power boost. And its become pretty standard they wait a while before they do those

[lofty warren]

Oh, can you 298 only 1 item or multiple?

[undone beacon]

Turbo boost mini

[daring marlin]

pash let me tag along with you to M chim

brother

[maiden hinge]

Gamers, quick lil question. mythic solarflare prism ore hc heart of ancient hunger? feels like heart is better cause there doesn't seem to be an internal CD.

[daring marlin]

IN THE TRENCHES

[undone beacon]

I dont think I can convince my guild to sit someone for a friend, as much as I would want them to

[undone beacon]

[daring marlin]

oh I meant let's pug

[lofty warren]

pash let me tag along with you to M chim

[daring marlin]

bahahaha

[maiden hinge]

Eat my shorts

[undone beacon]

oh fuck that i tried to pug m chim when i missed raid a few weeks back and i wanted to bash my skull in with a rock

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpsons-bart-pants-consume-my-pants-gif-15314955

[ivory barn]

Skull bash is druid ability

[undone beacon]

Im just sending my alt's rolls in M+ i cant be assed

[undone beacon]

fr fr ong

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

[undone beacon]

i think imma upgrade my staff and my Vaelgors and my soulcatchers charm

[lofty warren]

After 4 weeks do you get 1x 298 upgrade currency per week?

[undone beacon]

All we know is they will supposedly drop like catalyst charges

Anything else is speculation

[tribal wharf]

After u have first 4/4 set

They drop like crazy

So just send for set even low track

[stoic hound]

am I right, even if I only run m+ I need to take hero gaze instead of mythic tier trinkets? my current ones are hero void contract and hear of wind. The sims says max hero lvl gaze is superior than max mythic ampoule of pure void, and the only question is shield trinket 🙁

[lusty grotto]

ampoule is dogshit

just pick gaze

like the sim says

not only is the sim right

but gaze has a lot of competition

solar core you can get by farming and bonus rolls

at the cost of 1 bonus roll, instead of two for a hero gaze

[sweet summit]

Quick question, is my priority thunder blast then SS and then Thunder clap?

[lusty grotto]

as thane yes

well it kinda goes without saying mentioning TB

but yes

[daring marlin]

wtf is this

lolo

[undone beacon]

Replacement for raid renown catchup buffs

[daring marlin]

silly

[trail dome]

I have a question on that. If you have 1 charge of TB and SS is up do you SS before TB?

Also, if you have multiple uses of SS up, in aoe, should you weave in TC for the phalanxes?

I guess I should look through the apl.

[lusty grotto]

yes weave in TC for phalanxes

and no you send the TB, on the first question

[trail dome]

Why did that change from TWW?

[lusty grotto]

it did not

youre either explaining it wrong or something

if you have ONE charge of TB

[trail dome]

I'm pretty sure in TWW you'd send SS if you only had 1 stack of TB, no?

[lusty grotto]

and SS up

you send the TB

[lusty grotto]

no

you dont hoard TB charges

we've never hoarded TB charges

they light up, we send

the only change from TWW to now was outburst affecting only SS

so there's no using outburst on TB or TC anymore

[ivory barn]

Wasn't it worse to use on TC anyway?

[trail dome]

Yeah you're right. I'm not really sure what I was thinking. 🤔

Some weird false memory or something.

I even wayback machined to check 😂

[pulsar slate]

Does anyone here have a good resource for protection warrior rotation ? I understand the fundamentals but I want to focus on my parses now that Ive gotten fairly comfortable with tanking in general.

[lusty grotto]

icy veins guide

[pulsar slate]

Ok ill check it out.

[tribal wharf]

blizzard stor pumpin

[cerulean tusk]

Did nim gasslight someone again? Rude

[lusty grotto]

huh

[cerulean tusk]

I cant believe you keep getting away with it

[lusty grotto]

dont meme non-regulars cat

[cerulean tusk]

Prob cause you are Jakeys brother

[calm plaza]

is keystone guru the best route source or is there other tech i should know about

[lusty grotto]

raider.io and raider.io weekly route

[calm plaza]

definitely the thing i’m having the hardest time getting acclimated to

[lusty grotto]

as always

keystone guru is technically more recent than the weekly route

not technically... it just is

[ivory barn]

You follow a route till a DPS ass pulls

[lusty grotto]

routing is non existent on anything under a 17 anyway

just press w

[trail dome]

Idk I did a few dps keys and you see some demon shit 👀

ever seen a double circuit seer non BL pull cause I have

[daring marlin]

seems like people aren't doing a good job clearing puddles

unfortunate

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-7885026675733271516

[candid lark]

Anyone try out colossus yet? Hows it fairing?

[cerulean tusk]

Does alright in low keys, 14 and such

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1481375328038424617/image0.gif

[cerulean tusk]

Gathering is a bit of a pain, but once ppl get it, it is just good fun

[lofty warren]

If only you could aoe stomp for threat

[cerulean tusk]

clappa clappa vs clappa

nerf clappa clappa, make WW great again!

[candid lark]

Didnt it almost get nerfed this patch?

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/graphics-films-land-before-time-ZNRARhcjUuSuQ

[lofty warren]

Merge execute into revenge

[sleek wagon]

is there any way to get Hero Crests OVER the cap? me and my friend started playing since day 1 and she's all maxed out on hero gear 280 ilvl but i'm at 279 b/c of some missing Hero Crests

Anyone have any ideas

[lusty grotto]

nullaeus

[heavy sparrow]

so it's confirmed no weapons & trinkets from mythic+ if gambling your rerolls?

[candid lark]

you can downgrade mtth crest

myth*

[lusty grotto]

?

[heavy sparrow]

or is it just the upgrading aspect of that @lusty grotto

[candid lark]

I got heart of wind on bonus roll

[heavy sparrow]

thanks james

[lusty grotto]

what are you talking about

[sleek wagon]

bet ill try that, thanks

[lusty grotto]

its just 30 though

[candid lark]

you just cant upgrade to get the +9 ilvls https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-weapon-or-trinket-upgrades-this-week-from-voidforge-381325

[lusty grotto]

the prey quests also reward uncapped hero crests

[night heron]

Hello, I've noticed something odd when simming my character.
Theoretically the bests stats on pwarr are haste > crit/vers > mastery
However since the beginning of the expansion every item with crit or vers sims very poorly, and mastery+haste always sims higher. I currently have very low crit (19%) and vers (2%) and yet mastery (31%) still sims much higher for me.
Is anyone else in the same situation?

[wary gyro]

they added them to the cap retroactively

[heavy sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/earn-up-to-3-myth-track-items-per-week-from-mythic-with-nebulous-voidcores-381315?utm_source=discord-webhook

[lusty grotto]

what does that have to do with weapons and trinkets from gambling

[sleek wagon]

oh fuck, legit haven't even done a single one of those yet

[lusty grotto]

the do 3 nightmare preys weekly quest to be specific

[candid lark]

Deffo subject to cap

[lusty grotto]

they werent

if they are this week then they got put in

[daring marlin]

they were always on the cap what bro lol

[lusty grotto]

ok lets ask Larias because that was in the doc (sorry Larias was settling a claim about uncapped hero crests from nightmare preys)

[daring marlin]

It was capped nearly three weeks ago, apparently

neat

[sleek wagon]

;_;

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

yeah well

it is what it is

but they certainly were not always capped

[daring marlin]

YEAH YEAH I STAND CORRECTED

I never cared

[lusty grotto]

me neither, just answering the guy asking about why he was so behind

[sleek wagon]

i just wanted to be 280/280 tank healer duo but OH WELL

thanks for the info <3

[lusty grotto]

and the leaf dude that thought to ackchually me

[candid lark]

I have a name!

[tribal wharf]

what is the deal with the balls that appear for the afffix

they cast something

and then things happen

thats all i know

is this something i and the team want to go around kicking them?

[severe star]

m+ bonus rolls got fixed right?

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon we need a be quiet nimchip is speaking one

Get on it plz

[fringe mural]

that was posted by leadership?

[frosty mango]

Just press aoe shout

[fringe mural]

to their raiders?

[lusty grotto]

[fringe mural]

it's really neat

i mean it's worthless now, but it was certainly helpful for people that were overwhelmed

okay not worthless, more a guide for alts

[lusty grotto]

he does it every season

[fringe mural]

that's nice

[lilac hinge]

Hey! asking for a friend, but what should a prot warrior use the coins on if they were to coin m+?

[lusty grotto]

tell them to run droptimizer for all upgrades, for only defensive upgrades any myth shield will do and solar core

[lilac hinge]

he doesnt raid mythic, and got heroic gaze, and okay ill tell him to run droptimizer

[lusty grotto]

yes you made that clear the first time

[lilac hinge]

Oh sorry, im half paying attention mb

thanks!

[orchid mural]

bonus rolls still bugged lads?

[tribal wharf]

oh ya, do nt pull arcane sentry to worms

dont work ,LOL

[lofty warren]

In seat the big mob punches you back and the little mobs charge you what is the solution for this? Not always have a wall to put my back to

[orchid mural]

you can spell reflect the knockback

[lofty warren]

Can add an audio tts when hes about to punxh?

[daring marlin]

good luck they borked tts this patch

[coral quartz]

Not been playing much recently has MT been nerfed/changed feels a bit different

[lusty grotto]

no

[analog lily]

Got myth heart and gaze this week 😄

[lusty grotto]

gz

[orchid mural]

just watch his cast bar

[lofty warren]

Tts works through.. big wigs?

[orchid mural]

no. old way was WA, which is gone.

NSRT has some, and i use, but customizing is beyond me.

not sure if trash in M+ can be approached the same way via addons.

[lusty grotto]

you can but void bash isnt available as an ability in littlewigs

so at the moment, you cant with BW or DBM

[lofty warren]

Dm me way to tts when the guy spell punches

[toxic pewter]

just look when he casting it

[mint shadow]

they fix bonus roll dupes yet?

[undone beacon]

I can get one soon^tm

[proven heath]

probably not the best place to ask, but does anybody know if there's a plan for simulationcraft to ever simulate damage taken / damage mitigated to compare tank builds?

[lusty grotto]

no

they have answered it before

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oDVTo9FwfNYNepCWovBuxB I dont know what you did but boi am I off and wrong

[lusty grotto]

and its not something they will ever include in the pipeline

[proven heath]

ty for speedy response

[solid sun]

Unsure how they would

[lusty grotto]

damage taken on tanks is an exceedingly complex calculation due to how different every tank works and involves way too many ideas on how or what to track, just the EHP conversation alone would take ages

and for the longest time the "can i live" question has not been anything but feelcrafty at best on the highest levels of keys

as a tank

tracking if you can live aoe as dps is simple in comparison

[proven heath]

ya makes sense, i felt like maybe somebody had figured it out at this point but i understand if it's just too much effort and not worth the upkeep

[lusty grotto]

some have tried

[proven heath]

i saw something about simming dungeon slices and it got me curious about whether anybody had taken that approach and tried to apply it to tanking

[lusty grotto]

AMR being one, but their calculations arent open so they might as well be doing something very wrong

just a heads up we dont sim dungeon slice

i know that's a side point, but now that you mentioned it

[ivory barn]

so the build Mwahi has on simc defaults and the IV builds differ currently (unless I'm blind or crazy?)

[fluid widget]

Believe in IV

[honest bramble]

hey guys question where do you use voidcore if wasnt in raid? still not doing mythic content in raiding

[ivory barn]

I do, thats why I'm confused

[lusty grotto]

wherever droptimizer tells us to

[rocky crest]

Yeah spellreflect it and if demo shout lines up before hit it also. it will deal juicy dmg. I had 22mil spellreflect in my 17

[rocky crest]

have him on focus so you can see his cast bar. Then hit SR

[lusty grotto]

demo shout does not affect reflected damage

[solid sun]

Show us what you’re looking at

[rocky crest]

oh ok mb

it did look that he took more than normal reflects. hence why i wrote what I wrote

[ivory barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mbLD2kkQwukc2vWPF2XGPi what I was given earlier by Mwahi he said these were SIMC default talents. and I compared them to my old talent trees.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents?area=area_2 The talents on IV are different. I know mine are a whack-job, so I tried to look more info for M+ keys and such

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto @undone beacon K E Y Z?!?!

[ivory barn]

here was my previous sim

[lusty grotto]

what is the question

default simc talents are mostly for ST

[proven heath]

o sorry i misspoke, not dungeon slice, but dungeon route simming, thought they were the same thing. the one where you get a simc config export from keystone guru which plugs in the key level and the mobs for each pull, etc... thought if simulationcraft knows what mobs you're fighting, it would be possible to estimate damage taken from them given a build + rotation

[ivory barn]

ahhh, there is the key difference I wasnt seeing

[lusty grotto]

mwahi was trying to help

you cant just nitpick talents when you didnt provide them yourself

[lusty grotto]

yeah we dont run that either

[ivory barn]

yeah and greatly appreciated it was, I was trying to understand the difference not nitpick it 🙂

[lusty grotto]

only a handlful of classes have APL support for those

[proven heath]

gotcha, ty

[ivory barn]

I could understand the nitpick if I provided talents, my wondering question was just the why it was 5k difference, and if its ST that makes perfect sense

[oak ivy]

doesnt crafted shield upgrade to 295 or smth lower than noncrafted

[ivory barn]

help here is always greatly appreciated, and my brain sometimes explodes trying to understand

[solid sun]

You’re fine

[vapid dirge]

Any tips out there for getting as many uses as possible from puzzle box in M+? Do I just stop and use it before pull in between packs?

[lusty grotto]

cast on casts on bosses

stun and cast or leap out and cast

and pre pulls

keep in mind when you stun you gotta back off a bit

because box does respect the gcd

[vapid dirge]

Copy that 👍 thank you

[lusty grotto]

no problem

[ivory barn]

I'm gonna talent the 2 build for MT in IV and call it a day/starting point for my 10's this evening

because the talent build that I have is a whackjob for M+

this wasnt horrible, but the left tree has 3 differences on IV which I see are better/greater use and the right tree added Blooodsurge instead of Last Stand it looks like oh, which also makes the SB talent in the MT tree instead of Intervene a thing

[candid lark]

Personally I'd drop Intervene and Overwhelming rage for Pain and Gain and Field Dressing

[tribal wharf]

intervene related talent in thane got nerfed somehow

[ivory barn]

That's what IV shows too

[tribal wharf]

it doesnt give as strong of a bubble on the other player to really warrant it

[ivory barn]

I don't know what crack I was smoking with this tree

[tribal wharf]

rest is fine i guess, could swap, i forget name for bsv

and not take LS

im giving consideration to dropping intervene, as i thought i use it 20 times a key, turns out, no, 6 times a key, to move faster between packs and bosses

and lazy re-position

[candid lark]

Depending on your haste - you can also swap Heavy Repercussions for Into The Fray for even more haste!

[lusty grotto]

or maybe read the pins before you say this

[ivory barn]

I have like 800 haste

And read pins daily and haven't switched

[oak ivy]

last time i used intervene was ansurek prog before i gave up and race swapped dragon, no joke

[tribal wharf]

i spent all 4 seasons in shadowlands

[candid lark]

It's almost like I said "Depending on your haste"

[tribal wharf]

thats part of where this problem i have came from

with both leaper and howl, no longer realy need for intervene

[solid sun]

What are you trying to figure out, GGs

I’m not sure I’m understanding why there’s a question with talents.

Love you @shut summit hope you’re well

[ivory barn]

I'm just trying to tank better, and having wrong talents has always been a sore subject. Damage and defensive

[solid sun]

My friend, mwahi is goated. You’re more than fine to send the iv talents

[stiff inlet]

if im in the middle of a circle how much of it is considered in front for me for shield blocking

[lusty grotto]

180 degrees

[ivory barn]

Ye, that's why I said I'm switching to those tonight 💪

[lusty grotto]

in front

[warm plinth]

180 degrees, technically a tiny bit less due to latency

[stiff inlet]

ty

i turned a bit to far to pull the next pat and got SMACKED in this 15 lol the monk healer was standing in shit so we were bricked anyway but ugh

[warm plinth]

Yeah back hits are savage

[harsh trellis]

What key?

[stiff inlet]

WR

[harsh trellis]

ahhh ok

itll happen in nexus also in the right hallway with the sentinels

[stiff inlet]

i was tanking the banshee went to pull the 3 behind and after i stunned

and i turned back a bit to far

and the 3 i pulled bitchslapped

was entierly my fault

[crisp ocean]

I hate maisara

[stiff inlet]

i was trying to back into the wall and i just overcorrected my turn

we were flying , we killed the bird with 3misn left on lust from the big pull lol

[stiff inlet]

me too

[tribal wharf]

i was right all along about that place

it sucks

[solid sun]

Naaaaaahhhhhh

You just gotta rise above the challenge

[tribal wharf]

its only really nexus and sky i have to do on 10

[crisp ocean]

host a key you'll get 270s in there

they'll carry

[tribal wharf]

sky i now know cant truly be that hard, saw some stategies ru nning it last time

i still dont like any part of that dungeon until after the wind maze

[crisp ocean]

I mean the bleeds are still after that too

[ornate palm]

Where’s the place to go for more in depth advanced discussion for prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

right here

[ornate palm]

This discord is legendary and has been an immense help, no doubt. I’m talking for discussion beyond the standard guides.

[lusty grotto]

ok

so whats your question?

[solid sun]

This is the perfect place to discuss things beyond the standard guides

Unless you’re wanting to know why x streamer took y talent

[lusty grotto]

well?

haste swap points arent in the guides

we still figure them out

what is the question?

im not sure what your expectation is, this is the only warrior discord

we only link the guides, if the guides have answered these questions

[fallow fern]

Prob if you can't get the answer here.. may as well give up..

[solid sun]

We are the best warrior discord

Because we are the only one :)

[lusty grotto]

anything beyond that (outside of feelcraft talent picks) we can certainly answer

[ornate palm]

Sorry, kids starting trouble.

[lusty grotto]

ok no worries

[solid sun]

Some of us can help there! We have dads too!

Multi faceted helpers

[ornate palm]

I’m trying to explain to a guildie why macro-ing shield block is a bad idea. For me personally, I just think it develops bad habits and you should have more control over your mitigation.

[lusty grotto]

you're 100% correct

[ornate palm]

But this jerk has a response for everything.

[hoary mica]

sorry for hijacking the conversation, quick question. where are these guides you are on about? guild asked if I can play prot war in raid coming from prot pally and I am literally doing half te boss damage of people in the top 10 logs. and I just dont understand why and I am starting to feel stupid. reading wowhead felt like no help at all as doing what they said + keeping shield block uptime still does not give results so I feel like I am missing something big 😅

[lusty grotto]

the icy veins guide, we used to have someone managing the wowhead guide but they retired and now we don't support it

[hoary mica]

thanks, guess that explains the very basic prio on wowhead that was even missing shield block

[ornate palm]

His logic is that if you’re running heavy rep, + getting block from shield charge, he “never runs out”.

[lusty grotto]

if he's high haste, its likely

that being said, youre still correct

this falls more into someone that doesn't wanna listen to reason

[ornate palm]

I hit him back with an OK smart guy, but you’re doing a key and you get to the end of a pack and spend a charge of shield wall.

Now you’re gonna waste it moving to the next pack.

[lusty grotto]

tell him that's gonna bite him in the ass when he ever considers swapping to ITF

and we like ITF

[ornate palm]

I’m actually good with that.

Because at some point we will go ITF, then guess what buttercup, you’re already in the bad habits and you’re not gonna survive.

[fallow fern]

I used to macro shield block.. but have since stopped and im liking it better.

[trail dome]

I mean I'd imagine you can absolutely play with HR and macro it and have 100% uptime and you'll have to relearn your class when you go ITF.

But I also have a friend with some accessibility issues and they do a lot of stuff like that, in which case, more power to them. That said it sounds like your guildie is just playing "badly" cause it's easier.

[lusty grotto]

well he might survive, in vault keys

maybe

he's gonna seriously give healers a headache

but it is what it is

i wouldnt say this is an advanced gameplay question, more like he just doesn't wanna put in the effort, and thats fine, its their sub

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto wassup g

[lusty grotto]

yo

[dusky canopy]

How’s the game

[lusty grotto]

good good

was doing some delving

[dusky canopy]

Are you 4k io yet

[lusty grotto]

to unlock the bonus rolls

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Nice nice

Are you rolling for pRoT or dps?

Idk why it autocorrected like sponge bob talk lmao

[lusty grotto]

brew r u ok

type 1 if youre in danger

[dusky canopy]

Kek all good just got home from work sippin a captain talking to my buddy Nim

[lusty grotto]

oh hell yea

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/madebymarble-frog-awkward-smile-fingers-together-gif-18792236

[lusty grotto]

im sending it in a pit in about 5 mins

maybe

well getting in a pit in 5 mins

[chilly brook]

@dusky canopy I'm HUGE

[dusky canopy]

Bro have you played .5 colossus yet!?

[dusky canopy]

Thick arms Hollyy 🐐

[chilly brook]

for prot or for arms?

[dusky canopy]

Arms colossus

[chilly brook]

nah haven't had a chance to key yet today, I'm just happy that we don't cleave in ST

[dusky canopy]

Send it as arms

Demolish every 15 seconds xdd

[lusty grotto]

of course

wait no

[dusky canopy]

Griff what is the addon that makes your character panel look that way ??

[ornate palm]

I appreciate it. It’s more that sometimes I wonder about the why’s behind the guide. Sometimes it’s in there, sometimes it not necessarily obvious.

[lusty grotto]

we'd be happy to explain anything in there

as long as its written by one of ours

[dusky canopy]

This addon

[chilly brook]

Yooo HOLY leech shoulder enchant is CHEAP

[chilly brook]

chonky character sheet

[dusky canopy]

I gotta get that does it jive with elv?

[chilly brook]

dunno I'm a default Andy

has a cool popout too for raid boss kills

[waxen cradle]

is Elvui working with the patch yesterday, I had a lot of addons broken as hell with the patch

[dusky canopy]

Yes, patch was pushed at like 8:30 or something last night

@waxen cradle

[waxen cradle]

cool just wondering I dropped Elvui for this expac was just wondering if they had updated for 12.0.5 yet

[tribal wharf]

damage reduce by 100%

seriously

okay

thats ass

[lusty grotto]

it has been working without issues

just update

[tribal wharf]

cant read nim message

but i know its the affix and skill issue

[chilly brook]

can't wait to do big demolishes in this 14 MT @dusky canopy

[dusky canopy]

Arms owns!

[tribal wharf]

i did not realize it worked this way till now lol

did 3 other 10s and those went just fine

[chilly brook]

hows the single target for colo now? am I still tank damage on bosses?

[dusky canopy]

It’s not anything spectacular but it’ll be alright

Probably 60-70k

If you get 2 extra targets next to boss you do 120k

70k might be a stretch

Prolly like 55-65k is more reasonable guess

Arms prio damage is insanely good

Literally double dps on the target when hitting 3

[daring marlin]

ret owns

17 SR

[coarse bay]

You own

Gottem

[daring marlin]

rolled windrunner to another SR

damn it

[dusky canopy]

I need to hittup enyeto we cant be having numbers like that with monk and shaman in the group

[smoky plinth]

Fervor go brrrr

[daring marlin]

You know him? He's a friend of my Monk buddy.

not the monk in that key

gotta get brew in the 17s dude is gonna slam

[hoary mica]

quick question, how is demo shout an offensive cooldown? reading the icyveins guide where it is refered to as an offensive cooldown but it never explain what it does and neither does the ingame tooltip. is it just the rage generation or is there more?

[undone beacon]

Booming Voice makes it so mobs affected take more damage from you

[warm plinth]

Booming Voice in the spec tree

[undone beacon]

Read that talent

[hoary mica]

thanks

[dusky canopy]

No I don’t know him I was just goofing around haha

[coarse bay]

Booming voice talent in the protection tree

[daring marlin]

DAMN BE FUNNY IF YOU DID

[chilly brook]

man and people like this rogue be gettin invites over me :pepehands

[dusky canopy]

🔥 I can crank some 17s ez I’ve just been lazy and haven’t pushed up at all I stopped just shy of 3300

[dusky canopy]

16s fall over

[daring marlin]

yeahhhhh

[dusky canopy]

When you do 180k +

[tribal wharf]

so for the affix, all i need is me or my team uses some group CC on them right, seems like stuns and kicks work on them (so storm bolts, dunno about shockwaves, warstomp, disprutive shout) and then for dps and healer, i just ask them to assist with it some times like warlock shaodw crash i think it was many expansions ago

[dusky canopy]

xddd

[chilly brook]

I wanna push as arms but the tank shortage is so bad I feel shoehorned into playing prot for pushing

[tribal wharf]

i will have to remember to include a note about how to deal with it before keys start

[daring marlin]

yo overalls in PoS is the most fun shit

I love that place

[tribal wharf]

answers my question why the affix seems hard and ppl randomly dying lol

and monsters not dying

[coarse bay]

Pos my favorite dungeon this season

[daring marlin]

It's fast, easy and above all FUN

[tribal wharf]

magister terrace when not this affix lol

[daring marlin]

put focus kick macro on nether whatever and you're good to go

[coarse bay]

Ya and every pull is just good

Obvious kicks

Prio target with adds in most

[dusky canopy]

Bro not even, go to magisters with a good tank

[coarse bay]

The cadaver ya

[dusky canopy]

You can do like 220k or more probably, no Aug

[daring marlin]

It just gets annoying on my lock when the paladins or monks don't use freedom or lust

like dawg

RELEASE ME FROM THIS TORMENT

[ornate palm]

Anybody tanking 14 and 15 MC willing to share their routes? I feel like I’m at my wits end here with pugs in that place pooping on the routes I try.

[lusty grotto]

its all press w at 14

[ornate palm]

1 group says it’s too much. The next group says it’s too little. Neither group feels like they could handle either one.

[lusty grotto]

just run the r.io weekly routes

[ornate palm]

That’s what I’ve been trying but it hasn’t gone well.

[autumn heron]

Do what feels right for YOU. Youre the tank, you set the pace, tell them to wait another 30m for a different tank if they dont like it.
You are the alphamale. Dont let em shake your resolve.

[ornate palm]

I’m wondering if this is just another “aha” moment like I had with nexus point.

[lusty grotto]

run the "under 12" weekly routesw

[chilly brook]

me when I pull the whole Gemellus room

[lusty grotto]

theres no reason to change routes up to 17s

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer-black-templar-meme-sister-of-battle-gif-15709903298081962316

[lusty grotto]

trust

[coarse bay]

Is that pokemon?

[chilly brook]

yes totally

[ornate palm]

It happened to me on nexus point. I could not time a 13 at all, getting flamed every group for pulling too small down that left hallway. Then I got into a group, I shared the route, they said perfect.

We almost 3-chested it, everybody pumped, nobody died.

Apparently the route wasn’t the problem, it was just a bad luck streak of terribad players.

[turbid marten]

at least u didnt lose a 17 mgt at end because one knuckledragger didn't volleyball once

mage was below the vdh too

:)

smile

[ornate palm]

😭

[daring marlin]

lmao

[undone beacon]

try that but for 15s and you had my whole weekend :(

[chilly brook]

at some point you just gotta sacrifice your own key

[autumn heron]

Monk too busted, noone wants warrs. Sadge

[daring marlin]

No shit

[turbid marten]

mage also felt like having the arms warrior tank volleyballs in back

:)

[tribal wharf]

me when affix

h uh

whys this pack killin us and not takin any dmg

wtf

only something about 40% dmg, then 10 stacks adn 100% dr

ohhhhhh

[lusty grotto]

your glazes did not work @undone beacon @daring marlin

:\

[daring marlin]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lusty grotto]

we go agane

[lofty warren]

myth chim raid when?

[dusky canopy]

That’s what you get for not considering that I glazed you first

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933732132889706566/1447682831974137856/melvin.gif

[undone beacon]

Me when i get passed on for gaze for a new recruit

[vocal scarab]

hey guys, just getting into tanking, is lindormis glow fine for most dungeons or bad route for some?

[tribal wharf]

i cant lie i can see my self cheesing at best or skipping at worst this affix weeks lol

gunna try it tomorrow but its pretty gross

[dusky canopy]

Hate to see it

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

it could be

no idea tbh, i doubt anyone here runs it

but most keys are just press W, routing comes into play much higher up

[undone beacon]

if one drops on myth and i dont get it im going to have a legit conniption lmao

three people on the prog team that dont have it and it got given to a new recruit

I mean they're a pumper monk so its ight but still

[lusty grotto]

recruits getting loot over mains is just weird

err not mains

but full raiders

[undone beacon]

Yeah i might bring something up later because that was kind of fucked

If i get a myth one I'll drop it but

[lusty grotto]

pumper or not, recruits can loot and scoot

get declined for whatever reason outside of gameplay

[vital panther]

Isnt simming stat weights not a thing anymore? It even lists that its a "legacy sim". But it does tell me to get mastery which is just wild

[lusty grotto]

not a good fit

[opal ledge]

is the bug of bonus roll duplicated itens solved?

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-steak-charlie-steak-charlie-steak-hate-gif-16220908583929700504

me right now

[lusty grotto]

and then there's go the trinket

[lusty grotto]

its not

[ivory barn]

that IV MT build is so sturdy in a 10

[lusty grotto]

but this is also incorrect

you keep going haste

thane or colossus, it doesnt matter

1188 is just the point where you swap talents (from HR to ITF)

as detailed in the pin

[vital panther]

Ah I knew that was for the swap, but I didnt know you kept stacking afterwards.

IV has haste>crit=vers, should I be trying to balance them out?

[lusty grotto]

no, anything with haste you just sim

[balmy narwhal]

In MT is there another buff aside the haste buff? people are telling me that I should have pulled a trash after library for a huge buff

[lusty grotto]

the wyrms put a damage done debuff on everyone that takes damage when they explode

those are the little guys

[balmy narwhal]

ok

[lusty grotto]

they have to be near them when they die

[vital panther]

So just take anything with haste, and the sim is just comparing the 2nd stat basically?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[vital panther]

❤️

[mystic cave]

Do I need to stress gathering the little adds on chimerus, or can the dps just run them to the tank add without dying

[daring marlin]

taunt big guy and gathering lil guys should be easy

[mystic cave]

👍

[heavy sparrow]

Just thunderclap the adds and run to big boy

[daring marlin]

just remember taunt is an 8s fixate with 800% threat amp

[mystic cave]

For sure, I was more so wondering if it was like a "gather asap or wipe" on mythic or not

[daring marlin]

they might get smacked on mythic

but they should be coming to you anyway lol

[mystic cave]

youd think so

[daring marlin]

lots of not very smart dps

[shadow veldt]

you could just leap to where they are mostly together and hit your disrupting shout but taunt the big guy first.

[onyx moon]

How would Ultradon Cuirass (delve trinket) rank as a defensive option for Mythic+ (for someone who doesn't raid)?

So far, I couldn't get my hands on any other trinkets with explicit defensive capabilities like Jelly Replicator, Solar Core Igniter or Rotting Globlule to pair with my Solarflare Prism (no luck on Heart of Wind either), my only other trinket at the moment is Kroluk's Warbanner. I'm using the Champion version of the Cuirass at the moment, thinking on buying the Hero version from the Delve vendor when possible.

So far it's been a good mini defensive when paired with Demoralizing Shout since it gives a big shield (roughly 2/3rds of my HP), but I'm wondering if the others are better defensive options since I haven't seen it mentioned on guides (or if I should just ignore defensiveness on trinkets and focus on stat boosters or damage increases instead).

For the record, I'm running 13~14's.

[lusty grotto]

its bad

solar core is superior

ultradon has way too long of a cd

and is a full absorb

which means it'll drop faster than a partial absorb (solar core)

and solar core has a 1:30 cd

if you have absolutely nothing else, keep using it (you do not need it for 13s and 14s though) if you want something defensive, but consider farming Skyreach for solar core to replace it asap

[onyx moon]

Understood, thanks for the advice, I'll try to farm Skyreach!

[lusty grotto]

best of luck

the bonus roll bug is still active, so do not use those

[warm plinth]

You're a bonus roll

gottem

[lusty grotto]

[onyx moon]

I'm aware of that, thanks for the reminder! So far I'm saving them for the next week in hopes Blizzard fixes it (and people confirm it is fixed indeed).

I'll just farm the Hero version for now.

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Sad you can't just, you know, trust them to say it's fixed, huh lol

[stiff inlet]

whats the ignore pain uptime usually

[onyx moon]

Sad indeed, but it's the reality the game faces nowadays. Hoping they change their minds about the 8-week release cycles in the next patches, this can't go on like this.

[warm plinth]

With proper play, probably around 70% or so (log uptime)

[stiff inlet]

so that could explain some of my issues

i was sending to to much, ive gone to far the other way

[harsh trellis]

I hate NPX soooo soo much

[stiff inlet]

yes lol

[harsh trellis]

its the worst @#@ dungeon

[winged zenith]

So I used my bonus roll and got chest on dreamrift am I screwed now? Hope it wont drop chest again next week

Should have waites for bug to fixed

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/skibiridob-demonhunter-gif-27712674

[coarse bay]

[brisk dove]

how are prot wars doing?

[loud rune]

[undone beacon]

good

[loud rune]

are we taking voidforge for trinket or weapon

weapon or

[lusty grotto]

you cant use it right now so it doesnt matter

[loud rune]

oh

gg

blizzard troll

[lusty grotto]

will be availabe in a couple of weeks

[winged zenith]

I already used it on dreamrift am I screwed? Dont wanna get chest from it again

[undone beacon]

they're talking about item upgrade

[lofty warren]

ur screwed. may as well delete and start a fresh pwar

[winged zenith]

I knew I am GG. Time to delete now

[old flame]

I have a question, are there things to target from M+? the wowhead page has all raid items for bonus loot targets

[lusty grotto]

sure, run droptimizer for that
if you want pure defensive options: solarcore (skyreach) or any myth shield if you dont have a myth shield already

[old flame]

thanks, is it just b/c the raid loot is just way better this tier?

[lusty grotto]

not really

[lusty grotto]

just care, the bonus roll is still bugged

[old flame]

I don't have acess to myh raid just yet, and I won't do keys this week for another day or so, hopefully they unbugg by the time i need something

[warm plinth]

I'm okay. How about you?

🥁

[stiff inlet]

just got battleaxed ooph

[coarse path]

is this any good for defensive?

[lusty grotto]

read here #protection message

and under that

[coarse path]

thanks

[harsh trellis]

Help me out with paladin healers. Do they not have group based heals for large packs?

[lusty grotto]

they do

[undone beacon]

Two gazes dropped, and I was quite literally the last dps without a gaze

So, i got mine

Blessed be

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[haughty kelp]

Yeah they emergency fix housing but not bonus rolls

[undone beacon]

Natty gaze means once they fix rolls i can throw them at nexus

[lusty grotto]

Pash, Gaze Wearer

[undone beacon]

Frick yeah

Gonna make a picmix to celebrate

[sharp rover]

Puzzle box.
It sims well, but I have a feeling that I can't block/dodge/parry while casting it so I take a truckload of damage and it feels unsafe

Is puzzle box a trap?

[lusty grotto]

no, but you certainly cannot block or parry while casting

just be smart with the casts

[sharp rover]

Hmm. Does that mean pre-casting it, or using it alongside shield wall?

[lusty grotto]

both

or stun, back off, cast

or cast while bosses are casting

[sharp rover]

Eeehhhh I can see the value if you were hunting for a parse, but I mostly tank m+ and I feel like spending those tools/gcds on puzzle box does more harm than good

[lusty grotto]

same way we managed the 2nd iteration of it, or beacon

[warm plinth]

Or my favorite, just send that shit and let the wow gods decide

[lusty grotto]

jesus take the wheel

[sharp rover]

[warm plinth]

Exactly

Jesus take the sheeeeeild

[lusty grotto]

youre certainly not gonna use it to push keys

its just an amazing trinket for reclears and/or vault keys

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1496237160918155295/picmix.com_13676842.gif

[warm plinth]

You need to be stopped. I'm omw to virginia

[undone beacon]

I’m a picmixer now

This is how I communicate

[abstract arch]

did this patch mess up shields?

they all clip now

[glacial ridge]

I cant wait to get a myth shield with Indestructible on it tbh

[frosty mango]

I regularly send puzzle box in keys

And for the most part as long as shockwave is up and you’re smart about it you’re not gonna die

One time I did almost die sending it in skyreach when I had the fiery talons on me tho

Price we pay for zug

[sweet pasture]

Not too shab on cosmos for my second actual week tanking heroic raid

[sharp rover]

Honestly can't imagine tanking as a non-dwarf

I need my panic dispel

[sick shell]

When did they not clip? Mine sits at a 45 degree angle on my back

Either that or it levitates 2 feet off your back

[fluid widget]

The dream

[lusty grotto]

yeah but dwarf doesnt work on fiery talons

[sharp rover]

Mhmm, rare exception

It works on so many things it probably shouldn't

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt work on anything except AA first pull and crawth

thats it

[sharp rover]

Back in BFA it purged necrotic which felt very unfair

[lusty grotto]

doesnt work on heal absorbs in NPX

doesn't work on fiery talons

[undone beacon]

Yeah dwarf SUCKS all the cool kids play drac

[tame jasper]

The bleed on first bull really makes me worry about timing my 15+ (yes I'm no dwarf)

[lusty grotto]

doesn't work on fire dots on WS birb, or Skyreach birb

[undone beacon]

I get knocked up on last boss of spire and then glide back down ezzzz

[lusty grotto]

doesn't work on charge bleeds in Seat

it works on a whole 2 bleeds in the entire pool

[tame jasper]

I know how to gather and trying to align them, but as you can't outrange the bleed, it does not fall off

except you have evoker

[lusty grotto]

and any dispellable debuff

[sharp rover]

Off the top of my head, it also works on the bleeds from the birds pre-Crawth

And it works on the bleeds on AA first boss

[lusty grotto]

oh true

i forgot about those

[undone beacon]

Wait you can’t dwarf off the charge dot in seat

That’s awesome

[lusty grotto]

you cannot

[sharp rover]

And I think you're underselling the value of being able to dispel yourself (healers don't have it on their bars )

[lusty grotto]

thats why i dont run crackling

[lusty grotto]

you're overselling it

i aint underselling it at all

[sharp rover]

:)

[lusty grotto]

i AM dwarf after all

[sharp rover]

I've had to sit through 15 seconds straight snare in MT because healers refuse to dispel it

[fluid widget]

I mean if you aren’t a maghar orc warrior, you’re not really living your most attractive life

[sharp rover]

It's also nice to be able to remove things like the max health debuff disease on PoS first pull

[velvet knot]

Yo nim

what dungeon are we rolling on

I have puzzlebox, myth helm, and bis belt

[lusty grotto]

none until they fix the bug

[fluid widget]

Wowhead said it’s fixed

[lusty grotto]

but once they fix it, whatever droptimizer suggests

[velvet knot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-bonus-rolls-safe-to-use-again-381359

[lusty grotto]

oh really?

im raiding so i havent paid attention

[velvet knot]

wtf is droptimizer

[lusty grotto]

raidbots -> droptimizer

[fluid widget]

My droptimizer is telling me Windrunner cause my trinkets suck

I don’t wanna

[sharp rover]

Hi I haven't played since BFA, what is this voidforge system actually? Is it just bonus rolls with a pity system? The quest text implied that you could use it to upgrade gear too

[fluid widget]

Bonus rolls is one part, the other is a 4 week weapon/trinket upgrade

[velvet knot]

100% chance of 2 extra myth items a week while running+10s

the upgrade gear part comes in 4 weeks

[fluid widget]

Or 1 extra myth item from a boss which is fantastic

[sharp rover]

I see, I see

[velvet knot]

honestly

1/3 chance

id do that

[sharp rover]

Does it matter what level raid you send it on?

[velvet knot]

guys should i go learn how to raid

[velvet knot]

yes

[sharp rover]

e.g. is using it on heroic Chim griefing yourself?

[velvet knot]

i mean

heroic chim trinket is still the best trinket in the game

but mythic chim trinket is giga bonkers

[undone beacon]

With guild? How’s it goin

[tame jasper]

I hope they take chest set into accouunt, so it would be 1/2 for me

[undone beacon]

If you want mythic loot, then yes it’s griefing. If you’ll never touch mythic chim, hero gaze is best you’re gonna get

[tame jasper]

(and I have myth boots, but catalyst, so that wont be recognized sadly 😄 )

[undone beacon]

All depends on your level of play

[velvet knot]

To piggyback off pash, heroic gaze is better than any other myth trinket in the game

its kinda wild how strong it is

[undone beacon]

You’ll have 1/3 chance. It doesn’t count anything you’re wearing or off of vault

[velvet knot]

if you get token just hold onto it for 2 years then you can trade it to an alt for mog

smiels