npx shield just has slightly better stats, same stats as imperator's and belo'ren's
#protection
lusty grotto
mystic cave
Maybe itll just drop in raid this week
orchid mural
mmm but has someone calculated the odds that which bonus roll gives the best chance of giving you a shield?
mystic cave
its just 1/however many items are in the key/boss
and get better every time you dont get it right
undone beacon
Run Droptimizer for the dungeons, figure out ratio of hits to duds, party hard
MT/NPX prob give best odds but I’m not at pc to verify
orchid mural
undone beacon
Don’t… do that
lusty grotto
oh boy im not looking forward to tomorrow
mystic cave
Okay cool AA it is 😂
orchid mural
i was just curious lol
lusty grotto
probably close skyhold until late wednesday
undone beacon
I hear the AA shield has multistrike and armor pen
lusty grotto
orchid mural
lol
lusty grotto
"should i pick something here or go for bonus roll!? guys! GUYS!"
mystic cave
Dont worry if you close skyhold ill just dm you my sims
lusty grotto
fuck, its gonna suck
lusty grotto
Dont worry if you close skyhold ill just dm you my sims
at least you'll be simming
toxic pewter
how often do healers encounter dps that try and grief and kill the healer in a dungeon... just encountered an aug evoker in leveling dungeon who kept trying to kill me rescuing me into bad things.. is this common? I never even knew this was going on O_O
mystic cave
its common amongst my friends
toxic pewter
at first i gave him benefit of the doubt
stiff inlet
how often do healers encounter dps that try and grief and kill the healer in a d...
my first week tanking i had an aug rescue me into the next pack cuz i was pulling the heroic to slow... so i just stood there and he died
toxic pewter
but he literally was rescuing me into tornados
and at final boss
into the ring
and stunned me
(windrunner sanctum)
lusty grotto
maybe he was just trying to give you the DR
lusty grotto
my first week tanking i had an aug rescue me into the next pack cuz i was pullin...
dont do that
undone beacon
A lot of newvokers don’t have a good handle on the rescue movement
lusty grotto
tank it
toxic pewter
yeah I guess maybe he was just learning the ability
maybe i just interpreted the situation poorly...
mystic cave
might be better he is learning it in leveling dungeons than in keys tbf
undone beacon
You’ve triggered Nim’s tank ego trap card
stiff inlet
it was 3 weeks ago and i didnt know my buttons (i still dont) but there was no reason to not just say something first
lusty grotto
💯
undone beacon
Now he’s going to beat you up irl
mystic cave
So my "you pull it you tank it" philosophy isnt correct
lusty grotto
it was 3 weeks ago and i didnt know my buttons (i still dont) but there was no r...
youre expecting someone to type something than hitting one button?
your expectations are too high
stiff inlet
i mean im expecting someone to chill for 30 seconds lol
lusty grotto
why
stiff inlet
it was a heroic lol
undone beacon
So my "you pull it you tank it" philosophy isnt correct
I mean it’s annoying when people pull shit but also you’re now wasting everyone’s time for someone being a dick so, ./shrug
People are the least chill in heroics
mystic cave
I mean it’s annoying when people pull shit but also you’re now wasting everyone’...
i was memeing i only do that to my friend key groups
undone beacon
i was memeing i only do that to my friend key groups
lusty grotto
i mean im expecting someone to chill for 30 seconds lol
you couldnt figure out your buttons in a dummy or a follower dungeon?
its not timed content, sure
but people arent there to look at each other either
stiff inlet
i was mostly being sarcastic
undone beacon
I pull for my newbie tank friends when they go “idk a route just ping shit and chain for me” so I hit misdirect and throw bombs
stiff inlet
it wasnt like we wernt pulling 2 or 3 groups at a time and i didnt know the dung as it was the first week of midnight
like i wont ever be cool with that behavior
severe star
Heart of the wind is the best mythic + trink right?
stiff inlet
idk your personal feelings
lusty grotto
tank ego
stiff inlet
and thats fine do you lol
stiff inlet
we can be
lusty grotto
but also its the first week, is this your first time tanking?
stiff inlet
it is
lusty grotto
it is
ok then now you know all we do first week is press W
shit doesnt matter
what do the mobs do? doesnt matter
what do my skills do? doesnt matter
stiff inlet
lol
lusty grotto
if youre gonna stand there as a tank for 30s looking at random shit, you bet your ass i will put you in
as a dps
or pull for you
im in the game to play not to afk
stiff inlet
lol
undone beacon
Karmic Executioner is my band name
lusty grotto
chilly brook
tribal wharf
"Dear Yogi; I just want to let you know that you got to be the stupidest idiot I've ever seen, trying to play as a protection warrior, you are the epitome of scum inside of a pond filled with goldfish with no fins so the fish all sink to the bottom, so I hope you uninstall the game and never tank again and get the fate you deserve, you are the worst thing to happen to World of Warcraft ever. I seriously hope you really do go all in so that the rest of us can watch a live failure of a human being. Good Luck."
stray vault
what are the main defensives as prot? i literally just made the toon trying to figure things out
lusty grotto
shield wall
on a short cd and for magic only: spell reflection
and demoralizing shout, but we often use this one for dps as we perma-talent Booming Voice
stray vault
ok are there any other defensives i need?
lusty grotto
those are the ones you can press, the rest are passive: Punish, Keep your Feet on the Ground (if thane) or Mountain of Muscles and Scars (if colossus), Phalanx 4 (last apex point) - anything that says damage reduction
and of course defensive stance, which you should be on always as a new player
lusty grotto
i was getting to that
lament zealot
Ah sorry
lusty grotto
ok are there any other defensives i need?
you need to maintain Shield Block all the time, always face your mobs because you cannot block from behind, taking a back hit can be lethal as a warrior
for ignore pain use read this: #protection message
stray vault
ive read some of it
lusty grotto
these are very very basic questions that are probably gonna be answered there
and going over your skills, often reveals what you're asking
stray vault
i'll read over it more
dusky canopy
"Dear Yogi; I just want to let you know that you got to be the stupidest idiot I...
Bro that’s to personal gotta chill with that
tribal wharf
its just a meme from a video i saw once long ago
and its words were harsh and it stuck with me
daring marlin
https://klipy.com/gifs/its-not-your-fault-2
LOL
tribal wharf
you know the real reason i dont want to get 3400?
toxic pewter
grats on keystone hero tho yogi!
tribal wharf
i dont want to put 3400 hours into learning how to do it
tribal wharf
i just want to play the game at a level that challenges me, and thats it
and maybe 3k, i dont know
i very highly doubt it
never did 2500 till today
never did 3000
dusky canopy
You can unbind shield block and get 3k you’ll be alright
tribal wharf
yuh-huhu
okay, i'll await your video on that
i was considering to go for nexus and SR 10 tonight
but i can feel im nearing burn out
that damn buff from the balls is over powered
easily my favorite of the affixes
next week it comes around might be anothe good push week
harsh trellis
that damn buff from the balls is over powered
You gotta get past the 10s and 11s my G
get to 12s its more relaxing
tribal wharf
ooooh i can craft again
and yea, it isnt personal like the guy said
thats why there is no names in it besides my own fictional name
for 12s
im going to really have to make sure people arent dying
to things i can control
warm plinth
He said it's too personal, not that it isn't personal
tribal wharf
might feel that way, but there was no personal information displayed
glacial stratus
how much vers should i be aiming for if i wanna try and run higher keys as a new player?
warm plinth
how much vers should i be aiming for if i wanna try and run higher keys as a new...
0
Stats mean very very little to your success.
lusty grotto
yeah it does not matter
daring marlin
Guess I’ll go outside for change
all day?
daring marlin
like when does the server come up?
toxic pewter
10-6 pm eastern downtime
toxic pewter
https://klipy.com/gifs/no-you-wont-david
lol
daring marlin
doing a breakfast with buddies at 7am beforehand
daring marlin
guess my lock gets a single 10 this week
undone beacon
just did my one 10 on the hunter for the week
daring marlin
bear tank was pulling single pulls and a dude straight up left
undone beacon
if I dont get a good myth item in my one slot, i will just take the reroll
toxic pewter
I’m watching pikaboo do some 10s and it’s funny seeing all the situations that arise
Like right now a demon hunter in the group just disappeared no one knows where he is
Dh just left the group LOL
undone beacon
wanted a quick easy 10, grabbed a tank/healer that were 270 and their 245 dh friend
was a lowkey slog but whatever
daring marlin
I need to do bullshit world events
or delves
so I can have three slots if my vault is bad and get rerolls
daring marlin
"no one gives a fuck about IO in this easy ass season" the leaver said
cuz he's sub 3k and leaves keys lmao
devourer dh btw
warm plinth
Friendly reminder to go to the gym!
undone beacon
kek
daring marlin
went this morning
warm plinth
Good man
undone beacon
its almost 10:30 i cant gym
warm plinth
Any time is gym time
daring marlin
its almost 10:30 i cant gym
come with me pash I'll spot you
undone beacon
my little twink arms
warm plinth
I mean, I about died doing 12.5 lb lat raises today; that's how weak I am
warm plinth
We all start somewhere right
daring marlin
BUT YOU'RE IN THERE
glacial stratus
Stats mean very very little to your success.
i understand i dont NEED stats, but im wondering what is recommende. is it actually the right thing to go 0 or is that a exaggeration? i was told that im suppoed to stack haste hard then vers
warm plinth
No, the 0 was intended to embellish the point that it doesn't matter how much vers you have.
daring marlin
i understand i dont NEED stats, but im wondering what is recommende. is it actua...
stack ilvl and assuming equal ilvl stuff haste x whatever is your best bet
preferaly haste x crit tbh
warm plinth
You want haste to at least 1188 but that's more to enable a talent option than a requirement to play the spec. You can definitely do high keys with less than that; you just have to play Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray.
Anyone who says you have to stack any stat is just flat out wrong
shadow sequoia
do u get 1188 haste with or without flask ?
warm plinth
Considering the 1188 is a bare minimum, I would recommend getting it without the flask
Most people would prefer more than that for comfort
glacial stratus
these are my current stats
warm plinth
If you're really comfortable managing Shield Block at 1188 with Into the Fray, then you can consider the flask in the calculation. But you need to manage SB very well in that case.
Those stats are perfectly fine (spoiler alert though: I would've said that no matter what they were)
You do want to play Heavy Repercussions with that much haste though
shadow sequoia
how is colossus next patch looking ?
glacial stratus
If you're really comfortable managing Shield Block at 1188 with Into the Fray, t...
ye na ill definetly stick with heavy repercussions for now, not comfortable enough
only been playing this for a week or 2
warm plinth
It's fine
Any amount would be fine. If you actually did have 0 vers, I would say you probably want some, but that's only because having literally 0 of any stat is suboptimal.
warm plinth
Yeppers
glacial stratus
what is the value of mastery btw? i see a lot of people going different stuff for it, i see wowhead going what i feel like quite a bit of mastery even tho they say its low prio, then i see other people paly very little so im confused
daring marlin
pugging as dps is cancer
warm plinth
Your success is literally like 90% stats, 9.5% playing the correct talents, and maybe 0.5% stats
glacial stratus
if u are playing a tank always ilvl > everything else
i mean ye ofc, im just trying to find out what dungeons i need to run for my gear
lusty grotto
droptimizer
daring marlin
droptimizer
you like droptimizer now?
lusty grotto
yes
warm plinth
what is the value of mastery btw? i see a lot of people going different stuff fo...
It gives attack power and an increased chance to critically block via our mastery (which blocks twice as much damage). Just like any stat, you want some, but there's no reason to stack it.
(again, besides haste up to at least 1188; we do recommend that)
undone beacon
thought you said IT WAS NO GOOD NOW
they were spreading misinformation
warm plinth
Do it bitch you won't
daring marlin
I always use droptimizer and not take three years like pash
glacial stratus
(again, besides haste up to at least 1188; we do recommend that)
if i dont go into the fray, is that number still important? obv still stack haste but do i need to reach that?
undone beacon
You need to reach 1188 to use ITF
warm plinth
Well, your goal should be to get enough haste to play Into the Fray because it's just stupidly better than Heavy Repercussions.
undone beacon
You can use HR afterwards but, ITF is better numbers with high haste
warm plinth
8% haste by itself is just insane value for a single talent point, but it's also a multiplicative increase, so it ends up being more than 8%.
The reason you need 1188 haste to use it is because if you don't have at least that amount, you will end up with gaps in SB uptime.
glacial stratus
8% haste by itself is just insane value for a single talent point, but it's also...
is that rly gonna proc 8% tho when u got monkey dds in uganda?
warm plinth
It stacks via both friendlies and enemies
undone beacon
yeah its enemies and friends
glacial stratus
xD
warm plinth
Other times it's like lolblizzardtooltip
glacial stratus
so i have 962 haste base but i play heart of the wind currently so im getting + 264 haste from that which puts me above the threshhold
so i can play it?
warm plinth
No
glacial stratus
or only when my base is above 1188
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
or only when my base is above 1188
no
warm plinth
Procs should never be considered, as they are temporary and unpredictable
shadow sequoia
if I got myth track ring that is ver/crit do u recommend crafting a ring that is haste/crit to reach 1188 ?
lusty grotto
stop focusing on stats @glacial stratus
and gear ilvl
youre stepping way over what you need to do
cross that bridge when you get there
and play HR
i still am
warm plinth
No, I'd use the myth track ring and get the haste elsewhere, even if I have to wait for it.
lusty grotto
☝️
shadow sequoia
most of my gear is haste heavy so crafting a piece in those slot only give between 7-13haste
lusty grotto
because theyre stuck on vanilla or other mmos
fluid widget
Like it isn’t a target
lusty grotto
or classic idk
glacial stratus
ilvl >>>>> all
i mean i am doing this, im not taking lower lvl ilvl ever, but i still have champ gear that i wanna get rid of thats why im asking these questions
shadow sequoia
I know, just don't have an upgrade until weekly so just throwing what's on my mind
warm plinth
Well, to be fair, on some specs there actually are really important breakpoints you want to reach or avoid going over (or at least, there have been historically; I don't know if that's the case right now)
So it's natural for people to assume that other specs might have those
lusty grotto
i mean i am doing this, im not taking lower lvl ilvl ever, but i still have cham...
if you have champ gear, just get hero tracks with haste
glacial stratus
if you have champ gear, just get hero tracks with haste
im trying😭
shadow sequoia
Well, to be fair, on some specs there actually are really important breakpoints ...
ele shaman is recommended heavily to not get more than 1200mastery
lusty grotto
ilvl is ilvl
warm plinth
Right, that's a good example
glacial stratus
yes, but i needa drop smt for that in the first place xD
lusty grotto
yes but where in all of skyhold does it say that you need to get x amount of stats?
or the guides
warm plinth
It doesn't; I'm just saying it's logical for people to approach a new spec at least temporarily from the perspective of a spec they've already played.
oak ivy
for the life of me i cannot remember what is the addon that shows boss ability timers for heroic/mythic and lets you drop in reminders for your own abilities
looks similar to liquid timeline
lusty grotto
MRT does it, and northern sky
glacial stratus
what does that mean
to equip heroic gear i needa drop it first😆
warm plinth
And we do actually tell people to get 1188 haste, so there's that.
warm plinth
That isn't the point
lusty grotto
warm plinth
It's an amount of stat that is relevant
frosty mango
do i need to edit the pin with a big header that says "YOU DO NOT STOP HERE"
Even if you did, would it matter?
lusty grotto
i think we're doing some mental gymnastics on a very specific question
which was "why do folks target stats"
as sort of a rant
which i can certainly subscribe to
warm plinth
I'm not doing any gymnastics so I'm not sure who you're talking about
shadow sequoia
I think most beginners just want solid goal to target and for experienced players that are just trying to get a tiny bit better by throwing their ideas and see what other people who are in the same place see from their point of view
warm plinth
He asked why folks target stats; I responded with a reason why they might. And we do encourage people to target haste in this discord regularly, regardless of whether the amount is a specific amount you go to and then stop, it's still something you target.
Anyway, I'm not really interested in arguing about it. I was just responding to a question. I'm happy to drop it here.
lusty grotto
youre looking at this on a completely wrong angle
#protection message this question was not about haste
youre not new here
you know what they meant
do i need more crit? do i need more vers? do i need more mastery?
sullen gust
I have a quick question. Do you guys doing higher keys take the apex talent? I've only been taking 1 point atm because the other option just feel better. Curious if theres more power or survivability in the apex im overlooking
warm plinth
I literally was not remotely responding to that question anymore.
The conversation had moved way beyond that. I wasn't even talking to that person.
I already responded to that question, which you can see right below that
lusty grotto
I have a quick question. Do you guys doing higher keys take the apex talent? I'v...
read this #protection message
lusty grotto
I literally was not remotely responding to that question anymore.
you weren't but Mandragoran was when he said this #protection message
or am i wrong here @fluid widget ?
sullen gust
read this https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/149...
Thanks for the link! I'll give it a go and see how it goes
harsh trellis
I have a quick question. Do you guys doing higher keys take the apex talent? I'v...
Only in some of the keys
some higher keys like npx Ill take 4/4
but yeah I am with you on the 1/4 thing
tall tide
i keep seeing videos about stance dancing in keys.... should i really be doing that over staying in defensive?
harsh trellis
i keep seeing videos about stance dancing in keys.... should i really be doing t...
stay defensive
no need to stance dance anymore
lusty grotto
i keep seeing videos about stance dancing in keys.... should i really be doing t...
never
tall tide
cool thanks i just saw a few videos and i was thinking to myself no way
lusty grotto
how old are these videos
harsh trellis
cool thanks i just saw a few videos and i was thinking to myself no way
do you have a link to the videos
lusty grotto
stick to these content creators
everyone else probably does not know what the shit they are talking about
tall tide
lusty grotto
and/or these are ancient DF videos
yup that guy has 0 clue, i aint even gonna watch
9 days ago and stance dancing in keys oof
tall tide
much obliged lol
lusty grotto
stick the ones i linked
fluid widget
or am i wrong here <@174027720869543936> ?
Nope I was ranting about hyper fixation on specific stats
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
and critcake usually just repeats ad-nauseum "i just go what the sim tells me to go"
which is what we do as well
except for haste
daring marlin
https://youtu.be/GhC5PtHsEY0?t=2
lmao this dude runs 2/4 apex
the jokes write themselves
fluid widget
But why
toxic pewter
The amount of dps u lose alone ends up making you take more damage cuz stuff die slow
Like why even take the 1 point apex you clearly don’t care about damage lol phalanx doesn’t even do much damage itself
Might as well go 0/4 apex
paper coral
not prot related but do yall know why I dont have the all dark skybox? I still have the beam in the sky. i completed LFR. do I have to finish campaign too?
harsh trellis
not prot related but do yall know why I dont have the all dark skybox? I still h...
there is a quest afterwards
daring marlin
favorite part about that vid nav linked is how the dude was getting hit in the back a bunch
doesn't even know how to properly do the pull
harsh trellis
Might as well go 0/4 apex
Naw I like the 1.4 buidls.. Im only making my way through 15s atm when I get higher I may go into the 4/4
daring marlin
I'm dying
lusty grotto
i just ran 2 keys with indom to see what the fuzz is about and here are my takes:
- Midnight slowed down rage gen
- Indom was buffed halfway between TWW and DF indom as a result
- zero sum, to be as good as TWW indom (which was bad)
its dogshit, and the only dungeon i would ever remotely consider picking it on is NPX
paper coral
there is a quest afterwards
hrm. i dont see it. maybe I need to have completed the campaign first
daring marlin
failed the iq test
toxic pewter
1/4 apex is big damage loss though
daring marlin
LMFAO
harsh trellis
but the rage gen is better
lusty grotto
but the rage gen is better
no its not
daring marlin
nav you gotta let plka know that you know better than he does man
toxic pewter
Wat in the world
daring marlin
He can push higher with 1/4!!!!!!!!!!
harsh trellis
the higher you go the more you see the 4/4 or the 2/4 builds
lusty grotto
its weird that you feel you need to go through such lengths at 15s when i was doing those with a hero shield and a EA into BSV swap
hell i did a 17 with a EA into BSV swap
daring marlin
its weird that you feel you need to go through such lengths at 15s when i was do...
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lusty grotto
its giga placebo
daring marlin
lusty grotto
the very definition of feelcraft
toxic pewter
I’m not parroting shit it’s simple fact when you reduce your dps by 15-20k shit dies slower and take perhaps an incalculable amount of more damage
toxic pewter
There is no disagreeing though
harsh trellis
no issues what so ever with threat
daring marlin
that apb guy is pretty legit, he's higher io that this "topicx" goof and he's all 4/4.
lusty grotto
-15k dps isnt less threat?
daring marlin
HRM
toxic pewter
It’s just a fact
lusty grotto
how'd you even do that???
idk man, cause i pulled like an idiot too
shadow sequoia
how is Colossus defensively compared to thane ?
lusty grotto
how is Colossus defensively compared to thane ?
its about the same
daring marlin
idk man, cause i pulled like an idiot too
shoulda went 1/4 man
would've never died or something
lusty grotto
would have never died even if i didnt die
daring marlin
oh right I don't think you did
probably cuz you took 5% less damage from everything
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
All I know is when I tried 1/4 my damage was giga ass and I don’t say that lightly
Like I actually felt sloggier
onyx hearth
Colossus gameplay is actually that slower compared to thane?
lusty grotto
you dont have to post the question twice
we saw it the first time
its only slower because youre weaving less IP ogcds (but this can zero sum with colossus haste buff)
but gcd to gcd, colossus can be faster after a demolish due to haste buff
daring marlin
toxic pewter
🤣
lusty grotto
daring marlin
I've taken a chance on two different warrior tanks in 17s this past week
both had 1/4
they ate shit
harsh trellis
link the logs
daring marlin
I ain't linking you shit
harsh trellis
lol
warm plinth
Just watched a dude do a circus dumbbell press with a 273 lb dumbbell. I should be able to do that in like idk, 6 months you think?
vale escarp
Just one question? Never tried 1/4, why does people use it?
daring marlin
Just one question? Never tried 1/4, why does people use it?
top people were doing it before they moved the 5% DR from 1/4 to 4/4
and these people haven't caught on yet
harsh trellis
top people were doing it before they moved the 5% DR from 1/4 to 4/4
and like last week
vale escarp
But isnt it just worse?
lusty grotto
Just one question? Never tried 1/4, why does people use it?
copy pasting without context
same old tale
as any ridiculous builds in previous seasons
glacial stratus
is anything in here grief or this fine overall?
daring marlin
and like last week
April 10th is when plka made the switch
lusty grotto
is anything in here grief or this fine overall?
yes indom
use the icy veins builds
thats it
daring marlin
oh jk that was in Nexus, he did 4/4 in magisters 17
so he thought HEY MAYBE EVEN IN NEXUS 1/4 COULD BE
and realized that nope
not even in nexus
vale escarp
discord Prot FAQ build is the build from icy veins? Havent checked icy veins
lusty grotto
we dont support wowhead anymore, Nome retired
and someone else is filling in
so there can be some things in it that we cant really recommend, and/or hes not available to answer
so for now we stick with Icy Veins, Fury and Arms are fine with wowhead as Archi does both that and IV
opal ledge
i just had the coolest run on this season, timed the key with 2 sec left xD
daring marlin
choose your fighter
glacial stratus
use the icy veins builds
so if im copying icy veins but i wanna keep BSV and im taking out my point from indom do i put it in bloodborne or into enduring alacrity
lusty grotto
so if im copying icy veins but i wanna keep BSV and im taking out my point from ...
up to you, i personally swap EA with BSV
but bloodborne into BSV is also fine
glacial stratus
correct me if im wrong: bloodborne is just more dmg/threat right?
opal ledge
one has 1/4 and one has 4/4
4/4 dropping punish is my new favorite, plays like 1/4 but got a close dps to regular 4/4
lusty grotto
dropping punish is
ridiculous
to not be as toxic as I would like to be
and my anger
opal ledge
its better than 1/4
lusty grotto
free DR on prio targets... and youre dropping it
anything is better than 1/4
fuck it im not gonna take the bait, im going to sleep
opal ledge
i don't feel like the dr on prio targets means much to prot wars right now
vale escarp
Is there any Dungeon we prefer to use the new Bonus Roll?
oak ivy
finally fixed my crown 
daring marlin
Is there any Dungeon we prefer to use the new Bonus Roll?
seat, maybe
lots of good stuff in therer
opal ledge
u trade the punish dr for the phalanx dr
daring marlin
u trade the punish dr for the phalanx dr
WHY NOT BOTH
vale escarp
For example If I havent got shild+weapon from vault
opal ledge
cuz playing with indom, tan, and last stand is smooth
daring marlin
what keys are you doing?
why do you think you need last stand?
you're a brick wall
fluid widget
Why do you need last stand oO
warm plinth
I honestly hate that Blizzard did that to Last Stand. Like it was a fairly mediocre button, but at least it didn't encourage poor Shield Wall usage.
daring marlin
I honestly hate that Blizzard did that to Last Stand. Like it was a fairly medi...
only appropriate last stand is base with bolster as a talent
GOATED
lusty grotto
Before I 
, an apparently little known fact: DR becomes multiplicatively more powerful as key levels increase, healing and leech stay the same
opal ledge
do u guys pug kjeys]?
harsh trellis
#puglife
opal ledge
i value the defensive part a lot cuz with pugs it's always uncertain whats going to happen
harsh trellis
Same
pale wharf
Any tips on AA first pull on +14
opal ledge
if you are having trouble with the bleed, you can try to reset it with leap but before the stacks fo too high, like 3 stacks.
i usually try to leap out with 6 stacks and it's a pain, because now you are not leeching that much, not generating rage, and the bleed kills even with you very far from the mobs.
if you leap out with like 3 stacks it's way easier to live. then just kite a lot.
you can also macro a skull marker and put it on lasher, if the group focus it and kill it, the bleed will not stack to max stacks.
playing bloodborne helps a lot with healing on this pull
frosty mango
You will usually die if you wait for 6 stacks
sharp gale
a +10
sharp gale
i left
undone beacon
least they gave you the reason
Twice ive been invited to 16s and insta booted for not being lust
harsh trellis
least they gave you the reason
what do you normally play?
undone beacon
My progression character is a shadow priest this season, so I've been pushing harder on that than the warrior
harsh trellis
My friend swapped to shadow for raid this season
he likes it
is shadow strong for multi target?
undone beacon
Its a ton of fun, and this raid has a lot of great fights for shadow. Its just harder getting into higher keys
harsh trellis
I never play casters so I dont know
single mindset. I just level up warriors and tanks
undone beacon
Shadow excels in 6-12 target pulls, and fights with consistent spread cleave
undone beacon
Anything with regular intervals of more than 12 mobs, like first boss of AA, is a bit harder because your AoE is limited to how much shit you can dot, and Tentacle Slam dots up to 6 targets at a time
But thats not super common, so shadow is very slick
Plus it brings Fort and PI to keys
undone beacon
What kind of servers though
harsh trellis
Mixed windows linux environment
undone beacon
Gross
harsh trellis
yeah
undone beacon
I work in medical so a lot of our shit is like that. Its a pain in the ass
harsh trellis
Most of the windows things I have are auto auto short of some dcs I dont want to automatically install patches on but iiwii
undone beacon
Luckily it isnt my job to patch/update the servers, just to make sure they have security tools installed
undone beacon
We've got such an ecclectic mix lol
SentinelOne is alright, i worked for a company that resold them
frosty mango
ok @dusky canopy am I arms approved
undone beacon
not top dam, declined from the next 10 keys sorry bud
but you will have great prosperity applying to key 11
undone beacon
We get into a group with an aug, an rhsam, a brewmaster, and ill come on spriest so we can PI you
Parse key
tacit smelt
Anyone wanna look at my log for a 17 i did earlier in the week, run was smooth but i'm currently bored and frustrated at the attempts for other 17's being bricked due to last boss shenanigans https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3hvPctq6B9xAnHFk?fight=4&type=summary
frosty mango
#1347646810457636974 - post it there
drowsy comet
ok <@224952758808215555> am I arms approved
smh playing brewmaster
bruh
what was that Mwahi
autumn heron
LF IP and SB Treckers that dont look like poopoo, preferably with Arcui. Pls ?
drowsy comet
LF IP and SB Treckers that dont look like poopoo, preferably with Arcui. Pls ?
cooldown manager, ingame
autumn heron
Did i mention the no poopoo looking stuff
maiden hinge
Maybe its just me, but having to squint to see the %y IP is at ain't fun
frosty mango
what was that Mwahi
i dunno who it was
some kind group who invited me
as arms
then let me press dps buttons
ionic fern
What to play in 12.0.5?
Single-Target: Colossus = Mountain Thane.
Mythic+: Mountain Thane.
We are in a great spot where both our Hero Talents are competitive in all scenarios.
Colossus can theoretically deal slightly more damage in ST if you go for an all out offensive build. If you play regular raid builds, Mountain Thane and Colossus are pretty much equal.
Mountain Thane on the other hand has a slight advantage in Mythic+. This advantage is mostly due to the ease of grouping packs.
Enjoy this scenario and play what you want, you will not be hindering your group by playing one or the other.
ionic fern
**What to play in 12.0.5?**
**Single-Target:** Colossus = Mountain Thane.
**Myt...
@drowsy comet it was this.
drowsy comet
Ohh
solid sun
I can, however, hinder my group by existing
drowsy comet
cant wait for the wave of people asking "what hero talent we playing" 
drowsy comet
I can, however, hinder my group by existing
I have a nasty joke, but im too lazy to say it
drowsy comet
maiden quiver
Once you get the Alnsight buff from Gaze, is there a hard limit on how many stacks you can generate or is it just based on how many buttons you press?
vale escarp
**What to play in 12.0.5?**
**Single-Target:** Colossus = Mountain Thane.
**Myt...
Whats the differnts between mt and Colossus in m+? Is it only damage or also defensives? Would like to pick colossus for the knowup
ionic fern
Whats the differnts between mt and Colossus in m+? Is it only damage or also def...
It's mostly the ease of picking up packs as MT compared to Colossus.
timid wigeon
It's mostly the ease of picking up packs as MT compared to Colossus.
yeah, Colosus sucks at pulling without thunderous roar
ionic fern
Colossus is pretty fun in AoE right now tho.
You can get 20-25 second Demolishes if you constantly hit 3 targets and dump rage into Revenge.
So if you don't mind the grouping part, i would 100% advise you to try it.
mild river
I'll definitely try colossus. I'm bored with thane rn.
timid wigeon
Colossus is pretty fun in AoE right now tho.
You can get 20-25 second Demolishes...
one more fun part of colossus is you can't move when you cast demolish, and sometimes that can lead to your death
mild river
one more fun part of colossus is you can't move when you cast demolish, and some...
Lol
ionic fern
one more fun part of colossus is you can't move when you cast demolish, and some...
It's the price you pay for clicking Demolish.
mild river
1st pull of academy with all the shit on ground
vale escarp
Colossus is pretty fun in AoE right now tho.
You can get 20-25 second Demolishes...
Only running like+16 and always got a BM Hunter with me who could use missdirect most like every pull. Sounds good to me to go Colossus again
elfin elk
Time to try coll on our first mythic paladin pulls and grief my raid
errant leaf
naive ravine
Colossus is pretty fun in AoE right now tho.
You can get 20-25 second Demolishes...
Do crits of SS give double the cdr? (They give 2 stacks of collossus might)
cold tapir
Do crits of SS give double the cdr? (They give 2 stacks of collossus might)
They do
naive ravine
Oh my gawd, 10 sec off demolish for a SS crit
I have about 40% crit chance with SS
pulsar slate
PSA - the colossal strikes from the collosal horror can be spell reflected. At least on mythic raid difficulty.
Im assuming its a bug.. but spell reflect CD is short enough you can reflect every collosal strike cast.
Wowhead says cannot be reflected, but it definetly can.
cold tapir
Not a bug, just how it functions
naive ravine
Never trust wowhead
Their talentcalc for exampel still shows midnight beta talents
(Ye I meant his wowhead reffrence)
cold tapir
ye I misunderstood^
naive ravine
👍
pulsar slate
Thorem where is that from ? Does that mean spell reflect blocks the physical ?
pulsar slate
Got me thinking.. I knew about vanguards spell reflect, is it possible to do a double Prot Warrior no taunt spell reflect run on the vanguards ?
jagged pier
yes
pulsar slate
You just made my day
peak pier
The Colossus Up looks good
Practiced Strikes now increases Shield Slam damage by 15% and Revenge and Thunder Clap damage by 15%.
dayum
ionic fern
Jep.
fringe venture
Hello all, I come to you guys to swear for some kind of tip or advice since im starting to get burned of this to the point that im starting to think abour going dps spec or just go on with an alt.
Im having serious troubles ranking +13-14 MT and AA, specially on the robot Boss of MT. I use to tank It on walls and keep moving It around for soaks, but I keep diying on balls phase, also must say Im having bad luck on pugs groups but still I know im doing smth wrong, always balls get to the Boss and kill all of us. Didnt have such problem on lower Keys btw. I like to tank, but this IS starting to piss me off and always ppl blame at me even when i see IS their fault on soaking, but still I know im doing some mistake. Thx a lot in avance, regards
naive ravine
Could you share your Talent build and some logs (logs include talents)
fringe venture
Sadly I havent recorded any log. I havent played since wotlk and came back on midnight launch. I am 279 ilvl, almost bis stats and using standard talent tree, including 4/4 on Hero talenta. I know im not giving all info you would need.
harsh trellis
Sadly I havent recorded any log. I havent played since wotlk and came back on mi...
if you can share your toon name someone else may have this logged
fringe venture
I see, krisinger IS the name, from sanguino realm. Thx a lot.
I really like the warrior class and its class fantasy, but IS frustrating that I cant go more far for now, as said, didnt have any problema pushing to +12, but +13 is being a wall🥲
harsh trellis
Hello all, I come to you guys to swear for some kind of tip or advice since im s...
so you cant be the only person doing all of the balls on the boss in MT
so if your group is missing some and its getting to the boss
thats on the group
fringe venture
so you cant be the only person doing all of the balls on the boss in MT
I know we must share, ppl keep forgetting few of them and i run like unhead chicken to dont wipe. But I also want to know if pulli g Boss to the walls IS correct, i've got groups saying to me to tank on mid, also others to tank on walls, and im confussed, because untill +12 tanking It on walls was ok, but now I only get groups that die and blame at me
harsh trellis
if you put the boss on a wall during refuiling protocol the orbs will come towards him on the left and right
so depending on where you are dropping puddles it will make gathering the orbs a little more difficult from those angles.
fringe venture
so depending on where you are dropping puddles it will make gathering the orbs a...
I start on mid wall, and for refuiling I get to one of the rooms usually, dropping both soaks on the way, close to the wall
harsh trellis
ok so if you get to one of the rooms the orbs will still come to the boss from all angles
fringe venture
Ok so thats one of my mistakes
harsh trellis
no
the group just needs to be better at getting orbs
I still like to put the boss on the wall for refuling protocol
then the orbs come out from the left and right and behind the group because he will spawn the orbs on the outside of the room and they wont get to him.
fringe venture
I see, so Will try as you do. Thx you very much for help
naive ravine
@harsh trellis did u try the AA thing?
harsh trellis
<@89373678218801152> did u try the AA thing?
I didnt get a chance to last night, had to run guildies through to get their 10s
I did try the skyreach thing
naive ravine
Yikes 
naive ravine
For the dot?
harsh trellis
the only small pull I do in skyreach is the 3 at the top after the first boss
otherwise its all big pulls
naive ravine
I found some logs fron you @fringe venture im on phone rn so writing all the stuff would be tough for me, you could try and open a thread under #1347646810457636974 and link the log there
I dont get why the dot in skyreach has to be magic aswell
vocal owl
How do i learn routes best?
harsh trellis
How do i learn routes best?
look at keystone guru also can look at raider io for some
jagged pier
press w
daring marlin
The best cd
Sure was
vocal owl
Anyone know how the route assist Will work in 12.0.5?
harsh trellis
Anyone know how the route assist Will work in 12.0.5?
fringe venture
I found some logs fron you <@1473766679652601957> im on phone rn so writing all ...
thx
actually I just finished MT on 13, on a very clean run, doing slow pulls not big, and still we had almost 9 mins left, only 1 death on the team. I asked the guys about my tanking job and they said all was ok, only that I could have done biggest pulls, I explained them why I did not since I was having serious troubles on this dg and they understood, run was really clean and smooth, all did correct soaks on robot, I tanked it on walls and they congrated me for a good job tanking there. So I guess deffinetly it was getting bad groups + me getting nervious because of many wipes. Big thx to you all for helping this noob and old aged tank xD
harsh trellis
actually I just finished MT on 13, on a very clean run, doing slow pulls not big...
Awesome
youll get more comfortable with the routes
fringe venture
I think im doing proper routes, maybe not optimized but yes ok and fasts, when I see the group is ok, I pull harder and when I see we are having troubles I think I know where to go lower for confort, this time we had very good dps and a really good heal, I could have done crazy pulls but didnt want. Finally a push on my tanking mood with this run, I am happy ^^
harsh trellis
That is the pug life way
naive ravine
The best way to pug, is not to pug
harsh trellis
if dps is cranking and the healer is cool, you can pull more
fringe venture
Yep I see xD but my guild is stuck on 10s, not because they cant, just because they dont want, I might have to look for another guild maybe, they dont do raids either and im a bit stuck aswel because going pugs
harsh trellis
Maybe you dont need to look for another guild
maybe you can still be with your guild and encorage them to go into 12s
it gets way easier in 12s
no affix to worry about
fringe venture
They dont want, I have brought them for some 12s and they get mad on them, they enjoy more the confort of doing only 10s in chill way, they dont want to have brain mess going higher
harsh trellis
this season is basically the intro drug for M+ for everyone
this has been a very easy season so far
naive ravine
If they rly think 12 is difficult then its prob better to not do keys with them
If u want to improve and go higher
harsh trellis
cant wait for murder row to be on the menu at some point lol
fringe venture
Yea, many ppl told me, I guess thats they reason for me, being a return player after 15 years not playing, to be ok pushing 12s-13s and being able to tank, I guess in TWW i couldnt have done like this
naive ravine
Its just about reps, so you might take a while but then it becomes like second nature
fringe venture
Well then Im getting to the conclussion that maybe its time for me to switch guild to another one where ppl wants to go more ahead. BTW im @ home not working rn because of some back health problems and I have a lot of time to be on wow because of that, so its a good moment for me to look for a more competitive guild, not pretending to be top player, but yes to go ahead for higher keys and getting some kind of dificult, spamming 9s-10s gets boring as they are very easy
A big thx to you guys for your help and your attention, you are so glad 🙂
fringe venture
U can push just fine in pugs
Was doing so, untill 12s-13s, but Im having really bad luck on groups, its a pain and a bit frustrating. I rather having a team where we know each other how we play so we can go ahead togheter, Im sentimental xD
drowsy comet
https://klipy.com/gifs/coffee-time-fist-bump-2
thats so cursed
harsh trellis
wut?
drowsy comet
coffee disgusting
harsh trellis
coffee disgusting
Yeah, Still not making any sense.
tribal wharf
Do you know what my favorite thing to do in warcraft? I love bricking keys with brown dot. Bricking keys is the best thing and the most amount of fun you can have while playing a tank! I understand why all the kids like to play this game, it's because they like to brick keys with brown dot. I also like to brick keys with brown dot. Its the most fun you can possibly have.
naive ravine
No
chrome falcon
FUCK
chrome falcon
tribal wharf
make sure to go 1/4 apex as col for maximum results
drowsy comet
do I believe that hunter... 
tribal wharf
nope
drowsy comet
bro still waiting for anyone to show up xd
high lava
am i doing something wrong or are there many gaps in rotation when SS and TC are on cd and you have nothing to press outside of spenders?
torn gulch
do I believe that hunter... <:critcake:984549832511344640>
never
harsh trellis
am i doing something wrong or are there many gaps in rotation when SS and TC are...
Usually you'll get some revenge procs which fills in the time. And as long as you hit ip at 70% it should not feel like you have that much downtime
Toss in some executes sub 20
tardy prawn
I have a question, why do I get too much damage in skyreach? mobs deal huge damage there in +6
harsh trellis
I have a question, why do I get too much damage in skyreach? mobs deal huge dama...
Bleeds
ivory tusk
i see more and more 3400 io prot warriors rolling 1/4 apex
tardy prawn
how can I stop them
harsh trellis
how can I stop them
Stun the group and step back a yard.
harsh trellis
The bleed falls off pretty quickly
tardy prawn
mmm I see ty
harsh trellis
Im on my phone let me try to get the logs on my pc
high lava
if burst of power proccs, should my 3 next globals be SS?
ivory tusk
is our apex not that good?
solid sun
The 1/4 talent build loses like 15k dps and 5% dr and the defensive talents they pick up by going 1/4 you can talent while keeping 4/4 so there’s no point
tardy prawn
elaborate
solid sun
What else is there to say
solid sun
We don’t recommend copying raider io talent builds or aggregate sites
What key level are you doing
solid sun
So if you’re dying in a +6 that speaks to a gameplay issue as opposed to a talent issue, no offense intended
solid sun
In skyreach there’s a mob that stacks a dot on you
That is pretty rough
Are you keeping tabs on that and resetting them?
tardy prawn
how long do their bleed last
harsh trellis
Youre also wasting rage mashing ip
harsh trellis
Use ip as a rage dump when your bar reaches 70
solid sun
tardy prawn
how do you even block it
tribal wharf
hit shield block
tardy prawn
ok Its my skill issue
tardy prawn
solid sun
You’re running ITF. Are you at 1188 haste?
tardy prawn
my stats are this
maiden quiver
Oh yeah your haste is way too low
tardy prawn
no no I'm not running itf
solid sun
Are you not running that talent build you posted?
maiden quiver
You probably can't even keep 100% uptime with HR with that low Haste
tardy prawn
Are you not running that talent build you posted?
noo my talents are from icyveins
solid sun
Good
tardy prawn
my talents are this
tardy prawn
You probably can't even keep 100% uptime with HR with that low Haste
probably..
yeah its hard to keep it
am I cooked
ivory tusk
ITF is a must for you dude
ivory tusk
he's at 13% haste
maiden quiver
ITF is worse the lower your haste is
harsh trellis
What
maiden quiver
Anything under 1188 haste Heavy Repercussions is better for Block uptime
tardy prawn
my rings were mastery crit etc.
plush tendon
you use ITF at high haste, not low
harsh trellis
Why are you buying rings my dude... Just run keys get crit haste rings
tardy prawn
I will ofc, but need to fix that problem
stiff inlet
Thst should be your biggest focus right now is SBlock uptime and Ipain at 70 rage
solid sun
You can run dungeons with your stats. Be conscientious of your effective sb uptime
tardy prawn
You can run dungeons with your stats. Be conscientious of your effective sb upti...
okok ty
tardy prawn
You can run dungeons with your stats. Be conscientious of your effective sb upti...
its hard to keep SB up
literally wears off at the moment I press once more
tardy prawn
I see
stiff inlet
Hut once and use shield charge to assist uptime when needed is what I do
tardy prawn
aight I will try thank you guys
harsh trellis
Put the in game bars on
It will track that stuff for you
Game enhancements and I forget where the rest is
stiff inlet
Yea i put it right next to my character lol can't miss it
tardy prawn
plush tendon
lmao, imagine using verbal warnings. My warning when I dont have SB up and I take a auto is that a latina mom comes and slaps me across the head with a slipper
I prob have brain damage now, but at least SB uptime is insanely high
naive ravine
Also again, looked at the wrong tab in logs
stiff inlet
I use it for a bunch of CDs 🤷♂️, on all my characters it helps me, not for everyone
plush tendon
verbal warnings are insanely strong
but i mostly use them for boss mechs
like a 'run away little girl' or 'Rally'
solid sun
Everytime sudden death procs I get a verbal warning
stiff inlet
I use those also lol, dbm jist yelling feet at me is my personal favorite
During archers in WR
plush tendon
especially in a game like wow where there are so many visual inputs; the more stuff you can make verbal helps eleviate that load
solid sun
I’ll eleviate your load
stiff inlet
😳 😅
plush tendon
fringe mural
I’ll eleviate your load
Brother
But an in combat audio warning when sb is off is really helpful
fringe mural
i do have an sb buff icon that is pretty big but if it drops in the heat of the moment you might not notice
especially once you get to the point where you switch to itf
and it's not that forgiving anymore
plush tendon
can the CDM manager show you when a buff is not up?
plush tendon
very cool
stiff inlet
Did one dung as itf yesterday and realized my rotation/skill is not quite there yet😅
plush tendon
Ill check it out
plush tendon
doing my best to use as few add-ons as possible
fringe mural
there are quite some audio files to choose from
fringe mural
but the blizz stuff is..... well it works XD
The advanced cooldown manager is pretty thorough
you don't need much more imo
fringe mural
well yeah but that's cosmetic
plush tendon
the fact that you cant center it without a add-on annoys me
fringe mural
you can center it
plush tendon
fringe mural
or do you mean center on any number of buffs
plush tendon
I wanted the icons centered
when I first used the CDM, the icons would go from left to right
plush tendon
so the bottom row would always have like 3 buttons on the left and none on the right
and it would look terrible
fringe mural
Well move the bottom row to the right then
coarse bay
fringe mural
or use less columns
plush tendon
nevertheless... huge day for the bois
first reroll
and Mythic Chim is huge value for me
100% guaranteed a upgade
plush tendon
I need chest+trink+boots
fringe mural
i need tomorrow
undone beacon
Im really hoping to pull a vault gaze and then I can start putting rolls into Xenas
fringe mural
our reset is in 15 hours
plush tendon
Im really hoping to pull a vault gaze and then I can start putting rolls into Xe...
why Xenas?
the neck?
fringe mural
probably rings
plush tendon
ooooo
undone beacon
Rings
undone beacon
Plus on my priest there’s also pants and gloves out of there they are good
solid sun
I did zero dungeons my vault is empty
undone beacon
Oh pffft nah Salhadaar ain’t got shit
solid sun
And I didn’t do the last weekly quest in the void zone
fringe mural
I did zero dungeons my vault is empty
Too much plumbing this week?
solid sun
Too much pirating
fringe mural
dude what?
undone beacon
Chim on priest is 50/50 on hits to duds. Getting gaze or boots would be great, getting chest or offhand would be sadge
Windrose looks fun
I’ve been on the tomadachi life hype train tho, that game is so amusing
fringe mural
well i need to get a myth group for chim first
plush tendon
I bought a new computer on Friday and they gave me a free copy of Crimson Desert
so I gotta try that
I heard its a decent game
solid sun
Plus I lost most of my motivation when pash started asking other people to push for 1%
I thought I was Pash’s main squeeze. Their bottom bitch. Their numero uno
naive ravine
especially once you get to the point where you switch to itf
I dont even know if there is a place for ITF in higher keys atm
fringe mural
I dont even know if there is a place for ITF in higher keys atm
Why?
naive ravine
Its only a 4,5% dmg loss for me not running it and dropping SB sometimes can litterally kill you
fringe mural
hm i see
undone beacon
Plus I lost most of my motivation when pash started asking other people to push ...
Shhhh if I get my 16 resil it’s easy ups to get your 16 resil, we gotta leapfrog it to stay on the curve
solid sun
I ran HR the entire last season of TWW and don’t miss ITF, but I’m not a template for others
naive ravine
For playing colossus the dmg loss seems to be even smaller
solid sun
I’m not aligned with some of my mates on the colossus hype train
I actually love the hero tree
But I don’t love gathering as colossus
fringe mural
solid sun
Although sometimes when someone can’t help themselves and pops off and dies it’s a little funny
fringe mural
That's the response to colossus boiz
solid sun
But people be yapping
fringe mural
just make it clap
solid sun
Shhhh if I get my 16 resil it’s easy ups to get your 16 resil, we gotta leapfrog...
Okay you secure 16s and I’ll secure 17s
undone beacon
Literally
naive ravine
Charge > Clap > Revenge is how i started pulling as colossus
So I hit the other packs with revenge
fringe mural
getting 3k will be easier with more gear right?
naive ravine
Worked fine so far
solid sun
Yes but it’s beans. Especially larger pulls
fringe mural
the rating is not dependant on overall people's progress
solid sun
Very annoying
fringe mural
just the x% feats
frosty mango
getting 3k will be easier with more gear right?
3k is relatively tame so if you’re struggling now more gear isn’t gonna help, unless you’re like 220 or something
fringe mural
3k is relatively tame so if you’re struggling now more gear isn’t gonna help, un...
Tbh the only thing i'm struggling with is time to run them
I ran like 2 sub 10s this season
and the rest was 11 or 10
but i only filled one vault yet, so i think 10-12 10-11 keys in total
naive ravine
but i only filled one vault yet, so i think 10-12 10-11 keys in total
I did about 105 keys on my pwar
And then maybe another 40 on my bdk and another 40 on my gdruid
molten epoch
How are we feeling about execute? Is it a button worth hitting at all or should I just be pooling rage for revenges and IPs
drowsy comet
I did about 105 keys on my pwar
jesus
undone beacon
How are we feeling about execute? Is it a button worth hitting at all or should ...
You hit in in ST as Thane when SS and TC are on CD and thats about it
undone beacon
Tbh the only thing i'm struggling with is time to run them
Thats because the 10-12 range right now especially is full of vault key shitters, and at that range ilvl really doesnt matter. I've taken 275 people in vault key pugs that do less than my 260 hunter
naive ravine
Yeah
undone beacon
Esp with delves, when you get to level 9 delves tank gearing is turbo free