protection

[daring marlin]

oh, guess I need to look at boss abilities then.

Dot cleanse tho

I've noticed healers that die most in my WS runs are shamans(on third boss)

[analog lily]

Any chance we beat brew in M+ with the .05 colo changes?

[jagged pier]

nope

[analog lily]

[dusky canopy]

Tua

[daring marlin]

pit most fun dungeon

[sharp gale]

magister is my favorite one

[daring marlin]

disgusting

[valid ginkgo]

both bosses are quite easy in spires, what do you experience is the issue ?

[drowsy comet]

ofc you would say that

[sharp gale]

[harsh trellis]

Resto druids every time.. lol

[sharp gale]

the jellyfish boss is my fav boss

[tribal wharf]

jelly fish is pretty nice yes

3rd boss spires just a lot going on is all, and final i dont have a great method so that everyone gets pad to jump on time

i just need to practice it

[drowsy comet]

listen, its not easy man

tho imma level my resto shaman to 90 this weekly reset

[lofty warren]

If you only do m+ and pug heroic chim/2nd boss for heroic trinkets, what should you use bonus roll on? M+ windspear for heart trink?

[mellow nest]

yo my first time playing a tank spec and trying to bang out some early gearing, do you guys run valeera as healer or dps in delves?

[naive ravine]

Can prob get away with dps

[drowsy comet]

heal

[naive ravine]

Thanks to IV resets

[valid ginkgo]

my advice =
3rd boss

1. everytime he casts leap on ur teammates, use heroic leap to jump away - that way you will force him to jump onto you (it targets furthest player)
2. help someone not get feared if u need, but if not needed u can just berserker rage the fear)
3. when hes summoning mobs at 66% & 33, just aoe taunt and kill axe thrower while kicking ogre's chain lightning or spell reflect. axe thrower is more dangerous than ogre.
4. his tank buster is physical dmg so prot warr is op

last boss

1. use spell reflect + wall/demo for tempest slash
2. important - try to position boss, so that you have max possible feathers for the JUMP mechanic at 100 energy,
3. tell team before pull, that they can remove DOT by going into an arrow. dont be afraid to take arrows on lower keys, since you wont run out

[drifting juniper]

went to warm up in a +10 and try my colossus build, did 107k per sec, but i didnt use wowhead build, i went full into revenge and spammed it.

[lusty grotto]

we dont use wowhead anymore

we use icy-veins only

[lusty grotto]

nome retired in midnight, read above

[tribal wharf]

oh so its not on a timer and its based on % when he summons adds?

[lusty grotto]

dps

[tribal wharf]

well that makes things much more predictable

[lusty grotto]

always as tank in delves, go valeera dps

[sly depot]

been behind on the chatter here but is it looking like the .0.5 adjustments are enough to make a shift off Thane?

[lusty grotto]

no

raid = colossus

m+ = thane

[tribal wharf]

they nerfed thane, then came to senses and reverted it

sums it up

[valid ginkgo]

yea. hope u could use the tips anyway 🙂 im doing semi high keys on prot, so i think my understanding is OK with most dungeons

[lusty grotto]

dw he (yogi) wont read that

youre new so we dont expect you to know this

just a heads up

[echo egret]

what trinkets from M+ should I aim for ? I have none at hero track so far

[lusty grotto]

skyreach has the better ones

both are good

[echo egret]

you lie, they're a legend

[lusty grotto]

the rest are whatever, obviously puzzlebox is a great one for parsing

and heart of wind

so those are your four, including the best defensive one

[echo egret]

globule as defensive, any good ?

[lusty grotto]

no

solar core is the best

globule no bueno

[echo egret]

kk

[lofty warren]

Solar core vs heart from ws?

[lusty grotto]

why would it be vs

[lofty warren]

You can only bonus roll 1 at a time

[toxic pewter]

i would go for solar core myself personally if i had to choose

[lusty grotto]

you can roll twice

for M+ items, you have 2 rolls

for raid items, you have 1 roll

[dusky canopy]

You ready to use bonus rolls in pit for neck or weapon

[lofty warren]

There needs to be one that is higher prioriryu

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Or ring even

[lusty grotto]

thats entirely up to what you need

[lofty warren]

Ok how about this: what should use bonus rolls on?

My trinkets kinda stink and have crafted weapon 285

Thinking to use the mega 298 upgrade on weapon dont know what to bonus roll

[lusty grotto]

i cant answer that, sim droptimizer

[drowsy comet]

maisara is so fun, when pugs do no damage and as healer u sweat ur ass off keeping everyone alive lmao

[drowsy comet]

sim it

[naive ravine]

Litterally any key?

[tribal wharf]

now your speakin for me

[daring marlin]

ignore everything after "fun"

Maisara owns

[tribal wharf]

i dont appreciate that thank you

okay, because i was getting scared, what if the dps dies, or slows down and now he does the summon adds like 10 times

[drowsy comet]

Maisara +10, Prot Pala was 252 ilvl and was REALLY struggling between packs. We somehow had 2 frost mages and 1 Havoc DH, man DHs are struggling to deal damage bruh, especially on single target either that or he doesnt know his rotation idk

[tribal wharf]

but now i understand it can only happen twice,

[lofty warren]

How come heart from ws is talked about but not hook or void contract?

[lusty grotto]

because both have tank penalty

[tribal wharf]

you can speak about me if you want but you cant speak for me

[drowsy comet]

You play Ret Paladin, you just do damage and kick (optional) smh smh

[daring marlin]

joke's on you I have to send WoGs and LoHs often

[lusty grotto]

idk where youre getting these numbers from but use raidbots not liquid's just in case they arent calculating tank penalty on dps items

[daring marlin]

when healers are trash(always)

[lofty warren]

Sim doesn't account for tank penalty? I also dont see tank penalty on wowhead for item

https://www.wowhead.com/item=151307/void-stalkers-contract?ilvl=289

[lusty grotto]

you cannot see it in wowhead no

raidbots does account for it

[tribal wharf]

@lusty grotto okay, you've made your point clear, like 100 times now

[echo egret]

what is this tank penalty ?

[tribal wharf]

the meme is getting old and stale

[drowsy comet]

And you´re old

[tribal wharf]

we've done this

[drowsy comet]

take this

[lusty grotto]

dps trinkets do less damage as tank

since DF

[torn gulch]

33% less

[echo egret]

all of them ? or how do you know which ?

[torn gulch]

something like that

[lusty grotto]

the ones that specifically drop for dps

which include contract

[echo egret]

aaah ok

[lusty grotto]

and the hook

which is why we dont open vault as dps

[lofty warren]

Ur telling me that the liquid profile for pwar trinkets doesnt use a profile that includes tank penalty?

[daring marlin]

who let the fetus talk out of turn?

Where are your parents?

[lusty grotto]

because the good trinkets also drop for tank (gaze, plumes, etc)

[valid ginkgo]

imo just duo heart of wind & solarflare prism, if u dont have hc access to dreamrift for gaze.

[tribal wharf]

hard for me to say the dps trinkets i would want to take if i had choices

but not hook because low range in previous versions of it

[naive ravine]

Probably doesnr know his rotation

[jagged pier]

from what ive been told the rerolls at always mth

so u just go into raid and reroll

[drowsy comet]

You´re so old, your selfies are black and white

[valid ginkgo]

what is mth?

[jagged pier]

that might wrong as i said from what ive been told

the rerolled are all myth ilvl

[lofty warren]

Bonus roll gives myth 1/6 if ur in a m+ 10 or higher

[echo egret]

including from hero raids ???

[jagged pier]

well that i dont know

but as m+ drops hero u can presume they hc raid might too

[drowsy comet]

huh fr? thats big

[lusty grotto]

as far as we know only keys do myth tracks

not heroic raids

myth raids = myth track

10s = myth track

[blissful sable]

Does next week we go colossus oor we stay at whaat we are now

[drowsy comet]

water = wet

[lusty grotto]

anything under hero

[echo egret]

that would be a first step towards M+-only players

[dusky canopy]

Hollyy water is wet!?!?

[drowsy comet]

we dont know really but it seems like colossus might deal more damage

[tribal wharf]

likely not is not my guess

[lofty warren]

Nimchump did sims on this

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spooderman-sxcythe-geeked-spiderman-s9gZ1BxNqrWUfCTwzr

[tribal wharf]

but im not an expert on the game as nim will point out over and over

[valid ginkgo]

if u dont have access to ancient hunger + gaze, id go solarflare & heart of wind from m+ and use coins there to get myth track. those are good trinkets

[lusty grotto]

yes thanks

i mentioned that

[tribal wharf]

its like a daily basis thing at this poijnt lol

[undone beacon]

From M+ level 10 or higher

[lofty warren]

Is it worth to use bonus roll on nexus to get ring combo?

[daring marlin]

no

[drowsy comet]

definetly

[lofty warren]

Especially bc nexus dungeon sucks big ass

[naive ravine]

You ignoring any advice that was given to you is also a daily thing

[lofty warren]

And dont want to spam it

[drowsy comet]

are ur bis rings till you get eye of midnight on myth

[daring marlin]

I'm resil 16 you wanna smash a bunch of 16s(and 17s) this coming week???

[undone beacon]

For the lurkers, the track of the rerolled item is equal to the great vault reward track you'd do from that level of content. Heroic bosses will give hero gear. M+ 10 or higher give myth gear

[undone beacon]

Yes please lol

[tribal wharf]

still im putting him on ignore now lol

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[dusky canopy]

Bro if you’re not running colossus you might need more testosterone

[undone beacon]

I finished up resil 15 over the weekend so now I need to do 16 to get my saddle

[drowsy comet]

that sounds so wrong i hate my mind

[undone beacon]

Pugging as an off meta dps is an uphill battle

[tribal wharf]

but im not trying to ignore advice i get, im just an idiot

and i forget everything

[lofty warren]

What about pit neck is special? @dusky canopy

[naive ravine]

Pugging as any dps is an uphill battle

[daring marlin]

Smashing pash

[undone beacon]

[drowsy comet]

Go for it tiger!

[fringe mural]

Pashatath has spoken

thanks

[undone beacon]

[daring marlin]

I'm probably rolling in seat for myth track tier pieces

[fringe mural]

so if i want my myth track gloves i just go seat 10+

and roll like i mean it

[undone beacon]

Yeah you can throw all your weekly rolls in seat for sure

[tribal wharf]

im not even sure if the re-roll is in the game as of today or not

[undone beacon]

But you get two a week, three if you give up vault

[tribal wharf]

as in i should be going to get it for tomorrow

[drowsy comet]

imma roll on a lot of things yea

[lofty warren]

Im so sick of doing heroic chim that im going to reroll it for heroic gays

[fringe mural]

I'll try to go for myth chimaerus

[drowsy comet]

how do we get these orbs again? is it like sparks or?

[fringe mural]

but idk if i get a group so

[narrow jay]

I've done like 10,000 seats ive never even seen thr gloves drop ever. They are a myth.

[undone beacon]

My plan on my prog char is to roll on M Chim each week until I have the gaze, then throw the rest at Xenas

[fringe mural]

Well you get them 100% if you roll for seat 3 weeks

[undone beacon]

I got them after playing Arms really badly in a 10 so, just be the group shitter and they will drop for sure as is the blizz rng way

[fringe mural]

or how many prot drops are in seat

[drowsy comet]

or you get myth gaze in vault

[daring marlin]

I'll get the gloves from vault

nbd

[narrow jay]

Knowing my luck with it ill have to wait the entire 3 weeks lmao

[undone beacon]

I REALLY hope so

[tribal wharf]

i say the same thing about non vault hero + tank trinkets

[daring marlin]

I manifested puzzlebox first week

[narrow jay]

Honestly I might play some bad arms in that key today see if it works

[tribal wharf]

some puggers freak out if the tank doesnt have tank trinkets

[fringe mural]

i get 3 vault slots this week

[daring marlin]

I'll do it again with seat gloves

[tribal wharf]

think its a dps cosplaying tank

[fringe mural]

I'm a big boy now

[lofty warren]

You mean ur going to spend 6 bonus rolls trying to get gloves? Bro ur not a fire mage in bfa trying to get wrists

[drowsy comet]

some pugs freak out if the tank doesnt take the most optimal route tho

[tribal wharf]

thats what i mean right

minimizing any risk in a key

[fringe mural]

Oh idk i'll probably go lura hc

[tribal wharf]

the less problems, the better, is the way i view it

[lofty warren]

You always got the gays from chim?

🏳️‍🌈

[undone beacon]

There are 10 items in the Seat loot pool for Arms/Fury warrior (11 for Prot), so it would take a MAXIMUM of 5 weeks to get gloves if you just send the weekly 2 rolls in seat, 6 if you went prot spec

[fringe mural]

i don't go chim

or any raid for that matter

[dusky canopy]

Fantastic stats

[undone beacon]

If you give up your vaults and choose a reroll over a socket each week, it would take a maximum of three weeks and three dead vaults

[fringe mural]

I'm not into the gloves that much

But they really shine with alleria neck

[drowsy comet]

nice

[tribal wharf]

i had these for a good while now, have not had the heart to vendor leech one

[undone beacon]

Alleria neck's proc is ass

So, meh

Plus the gloves + alleria neck is a proc on a proc anywyas

[fringe mural]

Didn't know that but again

it's good knowledge spoken by pashatath

[undone beacon]

As a shadow priest dealing only shadow damage, that neck does like .2% or less of my overall in a dungeon

[fringe mural]

oh

That's ass indeed

[daring marlin]

True

[undone beacon]

Ymirheim sounds cool

I miss vrykul stuff

[daring marlin]

Vrykul allied race when

[naive ravine]

I mean we want high haste neck, no?

[daring marlin]

My Warrior would be instaswapped

[lofty warren]

Buff dragon allied race when

[stray vault]

Can yall recommend any guides for learning prot warrior? I’ve never played a warrior before and wanting to learn

[undone beacon]

IcyVeins

Is what we recommend

[stray vault]

Who on YouTube

[drowsy comet]

hell no

[valid ginkgo]

am i ok to recommend youtubers here or is that not cool?

[drowsy comet]

cringe

nah jk

[undone beacon]

We dont recommend any youtubers for learning prot really, highly reccomend you stick to the icyveins guide

[upbeat plover]

[valid ginkgo]

But the m+ section on the icy veins guide is non existant..

[undone beacon]

If you're brand new to the spec, watching people do high keys is not how you learn

They dont teach or explain the fundamentals of the spec

[upbeat plover]

Pash is gate keeping the real techs rn. Unbelievable

[undone beacon]

If you want the minutia of big boy tips and gameplay, then there are plenty of POVs. Sense has great raid POVs. Topicx has great M+ POVs with commentary

[valid ginkgo]

i have so many good m+ advice, but its not available on any written guides sadly. Authors are not locking in fr 🙁

[undone beacon]

[upbeat plover]

M+ guide. Do big dam, don't die

[valid ginkgo]

Like the fact that you should spec Fearless for Seat and berserker rage chains on first packs are huge advice, but berserker rage is not mentioned in icy veins

but i understand its not worth focusing on for most players ig. fair

[undone beacon]

The question was about being new to and learning prot warrior, and going straight to watching videos of people doing 16s and grabbing builds from top logs is a great way to mess yourself up in terms of learning

[valid ginkgo]

fair point

[stray vault]

Ok I’ll look at icyveins

The only tanks I’ve played are bear, prot paladin and VDH. Is warrior harder than those?

[undone beacon]

Once you have a grip on the fundamentals, asking questions here and watching things like pwarr commentary will def help you learn the little tips and tricks like magge mentioned

[lusty grotto]

its not huge advice at all, shit doesnt hurt us

[undone beacon]

Warrior is probably the easiest tank right now tbh

[lusty grotto]

the HUGEST advice in seat is to not spec crackling

[lofty warren]

Icy veins doesnt say to use bsv if I recall and I've been using it. Outlaw

[lusty grotto]

chains do 0 damage to us

[undone beacon]

But I wanna get charged to death by champions

[lusty grotto]

charges are what kill us

[valid ginkgo]

warr is easy

[stray vault]

I thought warrior had the most buttons in the rotation of all the tanks

[lusty grotto]

in the rotation? no

[lofty warren]

Pwar is the easiest of the tanks rotation wise its like 5 buttons

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS > TC > Rev/Exe, rotationally thats 4 buttons

one of whcih

is ONE button

[valid ginkgo]

also play dwarf

[lusty grotto]

tc/tb

[lofty warren]

Missing throw spear in st rotation

[undone beacon]

Warrior is a simple priority system with a few short/mid length damage CDs to hit and a maintenance buff to keep up

[lusty grotto]

pepega read the room the guy is new

im not gonna go into advanced shit with them

[stray vault]

Ya I’ve heard a lot of ppl say dwarf is a really good race for warrior

[valid ginkgo]

also shield charge very important to use if youre playing ITF imo xD

[undone beacon]

Shield charge is very important in general

[valid ginkgo]

cus u have windows where ure naked with no block on ITF

[lusty grotto]

stop giving advice please

and read the pins

[valid ginkgo]

im mythic raider with high keys, why cant i give advice ?

[lusty grotto]

because you clearly have no idea what youre talking about

chains in seat, suggesting ITF without the nuance

suggesting to watch 16s vids for a new player

read the pin

[lofty warren]

Its hr should vary based on your Haste number

You need to get to the magic number to change talent

[valid ginkgo]

i know what im talking about, but i understand that i might not consider the nuances. its ok and ill shut up

[lofty warren]

Is tank penalty still 33%?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[mental scarab]

HR for life no panic mode

@lusty grotto but using spear in the dungeons that have stack buildup from trash bleed ex. How much of a penalty is that to spec into? Or just play the jump away game

[lofty warren]

If ur trinkets are straight up 💩 and ur doing chim should your loot spec be tank or dps?

Dps loot spec means you can roll need on the dps trinket that is still an upgrade but means that your contributing to the chance the dps trink dropping?

[toxic pewter]

ngl, that dps trinket off chim is not great for prot, but alas sim it all and I guess make an educated decision

[lusty grotto]

no real reason to do so, AA lashers are immune to cc, Skyreach duration is short enough you can simply back away, and you never want to do it in seat or you'll just get repeatedly charged and bled out

just dont talent crackling in seat

and do not kite

[mental scarab]

Oh they are cc immun damn well good to know @lusty grotto

Why not crackling

[lusty grotto]

because slow

[lofty warren]

Dps trink is an upgrade. The question is "should you set your loot spec to dps so you can roll for it if it drops or set it to tank spec to remove it from the loot pool but also you cant roll for it if it drops"?

[mental scarab]

Ah okej

[lusty grotto]

slow mobs, get left behind, you get charged, charge bleeds

thats is specifically for seat

and seat only

[harsh trellis]

Oh ffs

[undone beacon]

There are farmable hero track trinkets better than myth vestige, just roll prot

[mental scarab]

this is why I’m taking a lot of random dmg I believe on seat

[harsh trellis]

Untalenting that shit for seat build

[lusty grotto]

skyreach mobs you can just stun and back off for a second and it resets

[mental scarab]

You live and you learn

[undone beacon]

Yeah I watch pug tanks die over and over in seat to the charge it’s infuriating

[lofty warren]

[lusty grotto]

AA lashers, you need to have a team tunneling the shit out of them, but you can leap out of range of the bleed cast to reset at less than 5s

[mental scarab]

Well I know that they charge but didn’t know the distant for to

[undone beacon]

Though one of them learned when I told them and we ran it back and they didn’t get charged and it was great

[harsh trellis]

I talented it because nim posted the icon of it back when I asked about that. I thought he was saying take that talent

[daring marlin]

lmfao

[mental scarab]

[daring marlin]

The monks that roll away are my favorite

[lusty grotto]

you play crackling everywhere, except seat

[daring marlin]

you big dumbo idiot

[lusty grotto]

seat is just the exception

[toxic pewter]

lmao the moment they rolled IT OVER

[undone beacon]

VDH Leap to narnia and then bleed out

[daring marlin]

insta triple charge

[lofty warren]

The charge ability from seat is such a toxic ability needs yo get deleted

[daring marlin]

why I die WHERE ARE DUH EELZ

[undone beacon]

Bears charge/run away and get shredded
Paladins and their dumb horse dumb dying

[harsh trellis]

All the bleeds need to go

[toxic pewter]

i just backpedal as i tank them or side strafe backwardly

nah bleeds are important

[lusty grotto]

for fiery talons? yeah strafe backwards

[mental scarab]

I bleeds are annoying

[undone beacon]

Yeah I just slow walk em where I need to go, timer is super generous anyways until you get really high

[mental scarab]

Or make huge crit build for the dungeons

Necrotic det

Det

SET

[lusty grotto]

the only dot you can parry is fiery talons

but we're already going crit

so uhh

[undone beacon]

Not for lack of trying

[mental scarab]

Dafuc yea I try to have haste/crit on all pices

[lofty warren]

Bc all wipes in nexus from from the annoying ass mobs on the left side I've been pulling the minimum amount possible left side + killing everything on the right. How bad/inefficient is that? Only timed a 14 with that but its better than wipe and vote abandon over and over

[fringe mural]

They do

They tell you even which talents you can drop for it if you want to go for more defense

[tribal wharf]

LMFAO

god wow has change

[fringe mural]

People were doing this since trading items was a thing

but you wouldn't pug shit like that back then because you had a proper raid to do it

now you have to take care of kids and dinner while the 20 year olds go raid

sob

[undone beacon]

Def a faux pas to try and sell a drop in M+ these days.
Though if someone offers me gold for a farmable item then ill prob take the gold

Happened in a H lura pug, got the caster trinket and was gonna use it but mage offered me 100k for it and i was like

sure

[tribal wharf]

Wow, that was alot of words, and your efforts taught me, i appreciate the generosity while i learned!

mage unistalling lol

[lusty grotto]

wow imagine that

yogi actually reading advice out of spite

and doing well

good job yogi

[tribal wharf]

if you are talking to me i cant see your msg

[lusty grotto]

[quiet matrix]

[daring marlin]

$9 is $9

[quiet matrix]

👀

[daring marlin]

Saying this is an L

May as well say nothing

[steady pond]

Guys im kinda cofused about our rotation, when i get burst of power should i send SS 2x back to back? also if i have one charge of TB and TC and SS is OFF cd should i send TB or SS first?

[tribal wharf]

lettin em know

[harsh trellis]

Terrible screenshot

[daring marlin]

he doesn't care

[harsh trellis]

Make sure you get the cheevo next time

[lofty warren]

Why cant he see his message? There's a bug?

[lofty warren]

I can see everyone's

[daring marlin]

Gonna shove pepega into the maw

[lusty grotto]

on 5t+ (and especially since getting back to back Bursts is really rare) you alternate, on ST you just slam

TB > SS > TC

[steady pond]

Sure thanks

[drowsy comet]

ppl literally pay hundreds of thousands of gold for that

meanwhile i got this to catch dust xD

i want heart of wind so bad

on my druid

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVhBv_-MmY

I predicted ALL of this you know.

[drowsy comet]

yea

xD

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-bait-clickbait-gif-7373851025472833661

[woven radish]

So fuckin real haha

[dusky canopy]

Hollyy that’s Yyuge

[daring marlin]

bro I legit said damn I really want a neck and was farming pit that week for it

And it just so happened to be there

like how first week I was like man I really hope I get puzzlebox

??? poof

[quiet matrix]

Have you tried saying you really hope for 1 mil $ 👀

If it works, it works

[icy yarrow]

u need that?

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[tribal wharf]

oh whats that

alt and f4 button

[toxic pewter]

I just know my vault gonna have myth kickball trinket in there tomorrow

[tribal wharf]

and im done the dungeon

[dusky canopy]

The luck is upon you! Gz

[tribal wharf]

and i hit the buttons

[crisp ocean]

in academy is it fine to do 2 packs for first pull

[dusky canopy]

No that’s illegal

Gets you banned

[lusty grotto]

on vault keys? sure

[tribal wharf]

i never have to hear from you fuckers again asking me for my damned trinket i just fought my ass of for

that sou nds like a great option lol

[quiet matrix]

High keys no way to have the time to split pulls

[crisp ocean]

not at that lvl yet

[dusky canopy]

You must do the exact pulls that the top rated io players do or else you get mass reported and banned

[tribal wharf]

why the hell are you all so like damned crackhead when some trinket with haste drops

[toxic pewter]

In my opinion it’s ok to chain the third lasher pack but many groups will give you a hard time about it

[tribal wharf]

like holy hell lol

i cannot fathom this

[crisp ocean]

my pugs have been rly good so far, no toxic players yet

[lusty grotto]

youre fine splitting them in vault keys

[toxic pewter]

Ok so yeah do your route and if it prevents bricking the key even better. Those bleeds are no joke

[lusty grotto]

dw about it

[icy yarrow]

1 pull or go home

[crisp ocean]

okay ty

i think my gear is subpar too, but i’ll work on it

[naive ravine]

The neat part as a tank is, you get to decide. You can use the advantage of the group relying on you to make them regret when they are toxic.

[daring marlin]

idk I think your client crashes if you do it as a split pull

[naive ravine]

Just simply stop tanking and take a break

Mid key

[lofty warren]

On aa you can use dwarf to remove stacks in pull 1. You can also jump away and kite.i think aug can dispel you but not 100% of aug

[tribal wharf]

if i ever get that trinket im going to say okay selling highest bidder

and then go afk till log oui

and watch them freak out

[upbeat plover]

If you doing big pull on AA, get 3 stacks on AA then kite.

Tho maybe prot has to keep it lower

[young cloud]

the scary part in AA is not the flowers, its those damn battleaxes

[lusty grotto]

nah

just play piercing

[harsh trellis]

That's why you dont 3 pull at vex

[undone beacon]

The scary part of AA is stepping foot in AA I hate that place so much

[lusty grotto]

and back off

[lofty warren]

At 2 stacks i am scared. At 3 stacks I dispel or kite

[undone beacon]

worst dungeon in the pool

[tribal wharf]

can you stun the axes? i forget

[upbeat plover]

If you are pulling all the plants at once its way more dangerous

[undone beacon]

Its not fun to tank, dps, or heal

[tribal wharf]

probably not sadly

[icy yarrow]

dispell>bop>kite>repeat

[naive ravine]

In what keys do you only take 3 bleed stacks?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah aa has basically become my least liked key lol

[naive ravine]

18 and up?

[dusky canopy]

Play dwarf

Fixed

[young cloud]

you can, but on 17s, when u pull 4 axes, you better kite, otherwise with no shield wall, you can die in a second

[tribal wharf]

there isnt a whole lot of axes in the dungeon just in that 1 section really

[upbeat plover]

Uhh... I lived it in a 15 with no lust (cuz they forgot to press it... -.-)

[lofty warren]

Nexus is 100% worst compared to aa imo

[upbeat plover]

But I was brew as well

[woven radish]

Agreed

[lofty warren]

Constant magic damage on u super aids

[dusky canopy]

I have to side with the AA haters club

That dungeon is ass

[woven radish]

Coupled with the heal absorb

[undone beacon]

Brew knows the truths of the universe

[upbeat plover]

Drinks the truths of the universe*

[tribal wharf]

what about AA lovers

it's okay to admit you have a problem

[naive ravine]

Only first pull in AA is fun

[tribal wharf]

with AA

[daring marlin]

D'AW CUTE BABY KEY

[tribal wharf]

or drinking

[fringe mural]

I did all 3 packs on my first time 10+ and died when there were only two lashers left and almost dead 😄

[naive ravine]

Birds and last traah b4 boss makes me wanna quit

[wicked lantern]

Nexus’s timer is at least a little forgiving. AA is a one wipe abandon.

[upbeat plover]

#puglife :^)

[daring marlin]

mood

[dusky canopy]

Bro like blizzard sets up these sick areas for pulling 20 mobs and they just add all this annoying shit you have to constantly move out of or these tank debuffs that absolutely murder

[fringe mural]

i failed resetting the stacks i think

[upbeat plover]

I'm 3353 and 2100 in pvp. I'm viking. We climbin

[undone beacon]

Old blizz set us up for big pulls, new blizz hates us

[daring marlin]

why even add the bleed the circles are annoying af already

[fringe mural]

The disorient is the green ground stuff right?

[lofty warren]

At least its not stone vault or that other terrible one in tww or grim batol or the holy damage tww one that we had to do s2 and s3

[upbeat plover]

Vibin was corrected to viking. Nice

[daring marlin]

I'm just giving you shit brother. I should get into PvP again.

[lusty grotto]

grim batol was goated

[young cloud]

Blizz just cant understand, you cant have tank busters mobs with no indication of when the spell is being cast such as the battleaxes, the guy in MT and Nexus Point. At least make it like frostbane slash, quick cast but uninteruptable

[undone beacon]

pvp

[daring marlin]

though I barely have time to do keys as is lol

[undone beacon]

I do have to do pvp on the priest for the set this season

[upbeat plover]

I may try to pug champion

[undone beacon]

leland carry my priest

[upbeat plover]

We'll see

[dusky canopy]

Resil 16s haver @daring marlin sounds like I’m getting boosted

[wicked lantern]

I miss the micro-kiting tank busters like in Halls of Valor

[daring marlin]

Working on 17s now

[undone beacon]

I got my 1800 set last season by going holy and spamming 2s and it was p chill

[undone beacon]

hey me first

[daring marlin]

At least you'd do damage

[undone beacon]

[upbeat plover]

Blitz is the eating meta atm

[undone beacon]

Ret, Arms, and Spriest would be kinda fun tho just sayin

[upbeat plover]

If only I was this unemployed

[lofty warren]

Blizz philosophy for keys sis that they dont like it if tank can pull more than 3 mobs at a time bc the guy who does +10s at the end of turbo boost complain its too much

[daring marlin]

this guy says as he's 3300+ and 2100 in pvp dafuq dawg

I work 50 hours a week and put in at least 10 hours in the gym!

[young cloud]

Then they wonder why no one wants to tank. You pull too much and fight for dear life, pull too little and with those timers, you will never complete it in time

[daring marlin]

[fringe mural]

do you actually get value out of high er keys than 10 besides more myth crests?

[undone beacon]

[fringe mural]

like real value

not just epeen

[undone beacon]

12s give max amount of crests, higher gives rating and thats it

[severe star]

mount

[lofty warren]

Player power capped at 12

[fringe mural]

Well to each their own, but not this mount for me no

[fringe mural]

Ty

they could've done a void proto drake

[upbeat plover]

I work 48 hours a week, help family, and do a lil working out at home

:)

[dusky canopy]

50 hour work weeks are the best

:)))

[daring marlin]

what does helping family imply

[upbeat plover]

3400 achieve

[drowsy comet]

Thats what I call a man ( or woman idk)

[fringe mural]

you have a family?

[undone beacon]

I work from home but im bad so

[upbeat plover]

I drive to my parents and help them with stuff they need done

[fringe mural]

because mine would be mad af i spend 10 hours a week in the gym lol

[drowsy comet]

thank god im single

[dusky canopy]

I would be such a degenerate if I worked from home.. there’s no way lmao

[daring marlin]

It's my zen time ok

[fringe mural]

I'm a dad, my zen time is on the toilet

[naive ravine]

Its always sweats vs casuals ("couch dads")

[dusky canopy]

Couch dads are by far the many

[fringe mural]

I respect the sweats

and i'm a couch dad

[naive ravine]

Nah I mean bloody beginners

[upbeat plover]

Need more of the couch dads to sand bag 1% cut off

[undone beacon]

[drowsy comet]

how is it like having kids and no free time

[undone beacon]

I honestly dont think 1% is going to be much higher than usual, even with the 3400 reward

[fringe mural]

you can have both, you just stop sleeping

[naive ravine]

You are in a discord for pwar so you are probably smth between couch dad and sweat

[fringe mural]

simple

[dusky canopy]

1% probably around 17s timed

[upbeat plover]

Idk where it usually is

[lofty warren]

3400 is timed 16s

[undone beacon]

The gap between 3k and 3400 is wider than a lot of people realize, and when the 3k andies finally get resil 13 and they're still at like 3050 io they're gonna give it up

[fringe mural]

You know full well discord is the gamer's instagram

[upbeat plover]

I never went for title. Also title was 0.1% wasn't it?

[undone beacon]

Title is .1% yeah

[vocal wave]

Do we expect anymore tuning for tanks in 12.0.5?

[drowsy comet]

always a downside hm

[dusky canopy]

New title for 1% also now

[lofty warren]

What does top 1% give?

[fringe mural]

Massive eballs

[naive ravine]

Yeah and the persons I would describe as "couch gamers" would be that kind that just does this and that for fun

Not looking into guides etc

[undone beacon]

its a mount not a title

[naive ravine]

Just raw dogging it

[upbeat plover]

I usually just get 3k then give up for the most part. Maybe get 3100 ish cuz of weekly keys or helping people

[fringe mural]

true

[upbeat plover]

But blizz suckin me back in

[daring marlin]

my goal is all 18s prolly

[dusky canopy]

Sick, me when I lie

[young cloud]

I wish they make the 1 percent spec based, then I dont have to push like a monkey

[fringe mural]

you know i'm a teacher, and during my free lesson i watched a commentary of high key tanking

[daring marlin]

Hopefully that'll be enough for 1% lol

[dusky canopy]

You can do that bro all day

[fringe mural]

on yt

[dusk fog]

mount is 3400, title is 1%

[undone beacon]

no

[fringe mural]

thank god my students don't know that lol

[drowsy comet]

watch that 1% mount be some ugly harandar mount

[dusky canopy]

You’ll be 290 ilvl

[solid sun]

Title is .1%

[undone beacon]

theres a different mount at 1%

title is .1%

[dusky canopy]

And you have like 6 months to do it

[naive ravine]

Fellowship does have that one better then wow

[lofty warren]

The top 1% should be per spec imo

[upbeat plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1372356491327049908/1493952969740259568/unknown.jpeg?ex=69e76f20&is=69e61da0&hm=68ddafd1ec047edbd54cf77f07017c83368f4c1d4b1dcf8ecaaca49f6fe47496&

[drowsy comet]

ur a teacher? :o

[naive ravine]

Spec specific stuff

[upbeat plover]

Blizz when they made the announcement

[fringe mural]

math and physics

yea

[drowsy comet]

god damn

[solid sun]

I’m getting 3400 on survival

[naive ravine]

[dusky canopy]

Umbral champion is the title no?

[naive ravine]

(MAN I HATE THE EMOTES HERE)

[daring marlin]

There are people not 3400 in here? SMH DON'T TALK TO ME OR MY SON EVER AGAIN

[drowsy comet]

im getting 3400 on my rdruid

[fringe mural]

i raided hard during university, met my wife in wow and stopped playing wow when we had the first kid

[upbeat plover]

[dusky canopy]

Just get title as an aug

[undone beacon]

They have not said if you get an "umbral champion" title, no. You dont get "umbral master" for KSM

[fringe mural]

now we started again to spend more time together

[upbeat plover]

I get it this coming weekend

[dusky canopy]

You don’t have to do anything

[upbeat plover]

Trust

[dusk fog]

idk how i read that so wrong. you're right

[dusky canopy]

Except stay alive

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-did-it-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-you-made-it-great-job-well-done-gif-21443346

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-jjk-oEPyO83kEnoyfwmewB

[undone beacon]

The rewards as stated are
3400: Timelost Saddle
1%: Umbral Champion Mount
.1%: The Umbral Hero title

[dusky canopy]

I’ll just take your word for it I have no idea lmao

[fringe mural]

It can be done

[lofty warren]

How likely will 3400 be top 1%?

[drowsy comet]

1% basically is 3400 no?

[daring marlin]

Not likely

It'll get higher

[pastel summit]

Zero.

[undone beacon]

No

This was TWW s3

[fringe mural]

is that depending on realm pool?

[lofty warren]

3500?

[drowsy comet]

ahh

[undone beacon]

Region

[dusky canopy]

Yeah so all 17s and an 18

[upbeat plover]

Wonder why they used umbral and not galactic.
All of the pvp stuff is galactic

[pastel summit]

gl unemployed region

delver hall of fame closing at noon

[lofty warren]

Tww s3 everyone had mega turbo boost and higher scaling

[upbeat plover]

It is already above 3400

[naive ravine]

AND we have to wait turbo boost

[pastel summit]

man you're not gonna believe this

[naive ravine]

More ilvl means higher keys

[fringe mural]

what is umemployed region?

[undone beacon]

This is MN S1 right now

[fringe mural]

EU east?

[undone beacon]

And the numbers will climb

[young cloud]

Is this NA? Eu is at 3480 i think

[torn gulch]

1% will be boosted to narnia

[undone beacon]

This is averaged between both regions

[lofty warren]

Sounds like 3600+ for top 1 %

[upbeat plover]

EUs cut off is like 60 higher. EU confirmed unemployed harder

[undone beacon]

NA is 3358 rn

[pastel summit]

gon be so much gold to be made cos 1% is considerably easier to boost than 0.1 wew

[young cloud]

Will the reward be region based or global?

[fringe mural]

I wish

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah people will be selling 18s carry all day long when the whole group is 290 ilvl

[undone beacon]

Region

[torn gulch]

0.1% requires the boosted person to be decent
1% will be boosted afk I feel

[lofty warren]

NA top 1% probably 3550?

[naive ravine]

Boosting with resil is cracked

[outer willow]

Tomorrow is the patch! How fun.

[dusky canopy]

They can time an 18 with deaths and 5 minutes left

[undone beacon]

NA 1% will probably end up around 3600

[upbeat plover]

NA is 3426.99

[dusky canopy]

I think it’s very boostable

[fringe mural]

you know the funny thing, if you're a teacher that games you see first hand what kids are playing these days, and parents have zero idea

[naive ravine]

A friend of mine boosted a 17 skyreach for 135k per person

[undone beacon]

oh wait sorry yeah i was looking at horde only

[misty charm]

theres so many different variations of m+ builds going around. Is there a a build that is generally viewed as "the best"? Some people not even taking all apex points 👀

[undone beacon]

those people are silly. Use Icyveins build

[daring marlin]

something something 32hr work week or some bullshit

[young cloud]

I take just 1 point, too squishy on higher keys otherwise

[fringe mural]

0/4 apex

jk

[misty charm]

as in you only put one point in?

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1175211241925525604.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[upbeat plover]

I did some 12 boosts the other day.
I was told 48k a key, but they gave me 54k a key

dogsmile

[young cloud]

Yup, other 3 goes into last stand, indomitable and bloodsurge

[crisp ocean]

what level

[dusky canopy]

US needs 32hr work week
Imagine the Overtime on a 50 hr check

[undone beacon]

@daring marlin Can we start selling 12s

[fringe mural]

They're doing it again

the low apex crew is at it again

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto Can you get your apex sims out again

People are being goobers

[daring marlin]

Set it up and we can do it lol

[fringe mural]

go throw 5% dr out yo

[solid sun]

This is stupidity

[daring marlin]

crit wings as prot would prolly own if I had to tank

or nim can tank

[young cloud]

What keys are you doing?

[lusty grotto]

@undone beacon

[undone beacon]

Thank you

[solid sun]

I’m playing Windrose rn

Fun as heck

[undone beacon]

We're having the discussion again

[misty charm]

going by that build i guess if i really need it i could loose enduring alacrity and bloodborne for indomitable and battle scared veteran?

[young cloud]

So your opinion on talents is worthless then

[undone beacon]

Yep, exactly. Though Indom is really low value in general

[lusty grotto]

i dont run indom

[lofty warren]

Ppl are dropping apex not bc they want more dps but because they want more defensiveness

[drowsy comet]

dig dig diggity? or the other kind of windrose

[solid sun]

It isn’t just my opinion

[daring marlin]

You're one of those people doing 1/4?

[lusty grotto]

but yeah it says so in the pic

[young cloud]

I am indeed

[upbeat plover]

12

[naive ravine]

Can you stfu if u dont know what u are talking

[daring marlin]

You think those talents are better than doing more damage and taking 5% less damage?

[lusty grotto]

no TaN, no Enduring, no FV

[naive ravine]

Like fr its getting annoying

[daring marlin]

Math not your strong suit?

[misty charm]

which is more important enduring or bloodborne? I guess one is dmg while the other is both survivability and a bit of dmg due to haste

[lusty grotto]

you can drop bloodborne instead

thats fine

youll drop a bit more in dps

[drowsy comet]

[undone beacon]

I prefer to take EA and drop BB

[young cloud]

Feel free to try it in keys, you dont have to believe me

[lusty grotto]

but its entirely up to you Fabio

[dusky canopy]

1/4 Cursed build looks like the best

[fringe mural]

i like EA

[dusky canopy]

That’s what the streamers use

[daring marlin]

Feel free to do less damage and take more damage

got it

[lusty grotto]

you dont lose a lot of dps by dropping EA

so whether you like it or not is irrelevant

you do drop dps if you drop bloodborne though

[lofty warren]

Need to sim defensiveness not dps. This guy is saying he dont care about dps loss, he cares about not being dead

[fringe mural]

does the breakpoint increase by dropping ea?

[young cloud]

You think you are less tanky with Indom and Last stand? You are delusional mate

[fringe mural]

the haste bp

[naive ravine]

I see @young cloud is pepega on second account

Good ragebait

[lusty grotto]

it does, but what does that matter?

[daring marlin]

You think those are better than a flat 5% DR?

You're actually lost in a fog buddy

[fringe mural]

It does to me now because i have exactly 1188

[dusky canopy]

Hey Tonnyy, get ova ear an pick the talentt

[young cloud]

Fuck yea, they are better. There are so many heal absorbs in dungeons that the Last stand Max hp is crucial

so yes

[misty charm]

help me out whats TaN?

[lusty grotto]

pretty easy to just swap to HR

[daring marlin]

muh feelycraft

[naive ravine]

How much dmg u lose on no ITF

[young cloud]

Muh 13 key pusher

[fringe mural]

Yeah sure is, i thought the dps loss from itf to hr is way higher then

[lusty grotto]

if youre doing the keys where you feel you need indom/LS/etc youre not gonna look twice on HR

[tropic pond]

5k dps ish in my simulation

[naive ravine]

On pure st?

[tropic pond]

on dungeon slice with no buff

[lusty grotto]

dungeon slice is not supported

[dusky canopy]

Bros out there picking 1/4 apex and setting the record for ignore Paine casts in a dungeon

[naive ravine]

Dungeon slice is meh

[lusty grotto]

you do 5t 1:30

[daring marlin]

Hey let's appeal to authority since math isn't good enough. Why do the top prot warriors doing 19s+ take 4/4 Apex?

[naive ravine]

Nim do you have a sim prepared, otherwise im gonna just sim myself later

[stiff inlet]

this me lol i feel seen 😂

[lofty warren]

Are you more tanky if you do 1/4 apex and take last stand, indom, and whatever rlse?

[daring marlin]

Do you have esoteric knowledge they don't?

[lusty grotto]

for ITF with the defensive builds you mean?

[daring marlin]

You better let them know

[misty charm]

ill just go with this for now 👀

[naive ravine]

ITF vs HR dps wise

[lusty grotto]

i mean

no need to sim

[naive ravine]

Yeah living is more dps then dying

[daring marlin]

Hey bro let plka and ace know you know better than they do

They're sandbagging keys

[lusty grotto]

ITF will always be better dps

[daring marlin]

4/4 apex chuds

[young cloud]

I aint Pika and Ace, neither do I have the group of Pika and Ace

[daring marlin]

smh my head

LMFAO GOAL POST SHIFT

[young cloud]

so you if you are going to blindly copy everything top streamers do, you are probably one of those tanks that folds on the 1st pull in AA

[daring marlin]

IF 1/4 WERE BETTER THEY'D TAKE IT

[tropic pond]

what key level are we talking about here?

[naive ravine]

I just want to know the diffrence to know it, it wont change how to consider what talent to run

[daring marlin]

ARE YOU OK?

[lusty grotto]

brother give it a rest, i just showed sims for a build where you take all of those talents (LS/Indom/etc) AND 4/4 at a 12k dps gain over 1/4 and 5% DR added

[dusky canopy]

Guys Murloc.io shows 1/4 apex as bis

[lusty grotto]

drop it

[young cloud]

Guilford, did you get "Mind Freeze" irl or you are just ragebaiting me?

[lofty warren]

What gives more densive value? 5% dr or last stand, indom, and whatever other talent?

[daring marlin]

Your room temp iq is showing

[lusty grotto]

i can probably run one hold on

[daring marlin]

unfortunate

[dusky canopy]

It’s 140 in my room

Crazy I know

[young cloud]

Np, good luck with the weekly 10 guildford, see you at the vault

[naive ravine]

Thanks you r the best

[lusty grotto]

wym guilford is doing 18s

[daring marlin]

dude does 15s max talking shit

crazy work

[solid sun]

There’s no reason to go 1/4

There’s a talent build taking the talents you’re wanting while still going 4/4

[mighty valley]

this is such an undefeatable new strat. "your opinion doesn't matter because i don't believe you're doing top keys. also the opinion of people doing top keys doesn't matter"

[dusky canopy]

Lil bro does 20s already Yall noobers

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

I'd rather get 5% dr pretty sure the guides and archon all say to use 4/4. 1/4 was stuff that kira tv said before they moved the 5% dr to 4/4

[lusty grotto]

let me repost

[dusky canopy]

Damage reduction is the best possible defense in high key situations

[lusty grotto]

everyone stop typing

[upbeat plover]

No

[dusky canopy]

No

[orchid sleet]

No

[undone beacon]

No

[tropic pond]

sadge

[naive ravine]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

the +12k build here has 4/4

has Indom

has LS

has BSV

[lofty warren]

That is dps though

[dusky canopy]

Me when my brain is used

[stray vault]

This is gonna sound like a dumb question but I’m gonna ask cuz I’m new to the spec. How do i keep my shield up if I charge into a pack without shield charge up? Thanks for help

[lusty grotto]

when i say the 12k build i meant the 2nd to last one

[naive ravine]

(Now all ping @young cloud )

[dusky canopy]

You press the shield block keybind

[lofty warren]

Dude who is taking 1/4 is not doing it for the dps! He is doing to tey to be more tanky

[lusty grotto]

but its 12k dps gain OVER 1/4 cursed build

[stiff inlet]

where could one find all these builds?

[lusty grotto]

and a 5% DR gained

[lusty grotto]

are you doing 17s+

[mighty valley]

NIM'S POINTING OUT A 4/4 BUILD THAT TAKES ALL THE DEFENSIVE TALENTS

[stray vault]

That has a cooldown too right

[mighty valley]

dear god someone has to teach pepega to read one day

or not

[stiff inlet]

no 14-15s currently

[dusky canopy]

Yes, short cooldown with two charges

[stiff inlet]

im trying to get away from the cursed build

[lusty grotto]

then you dont need them

[stiff inlet]

lol

[lusty grotto]

ive ran bsv only in 17s

and its fine

[lofty warren]

Ohh. Well what is the 1/4 cursed one taking

[dusky canopy]

Nims pushing Hollyy

[lusty grotto]

the only other swap ive done is bloodborne into bloodsurge

[dusky canopy]

My man

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[dusky canopy]

Owner style

[naive ravine]

Look at that other guy saying 1/4 apex is good, thats dumb. You are normal. I usally TC as I charge for enough rage.

[mighty valley]

tough as nails, enduring alacrity

[solid sun]

Windrose doesn’t have as much bickering

[young cloud]

You know, I will actually agree with you since you actually provided a concrete reason. I will try out the first build today. As for Guildford and Brew "muh top player chads are doing these so I will copy it", go back to the depths of the retri discord where you belong

[stray vault]

@naive ravine lol what? I haven’t looked I just came back into the chat

[dusky canopy]

Xdxddd

[lofty warren]

Sb goes for 1 extra second?

[daring marlin]

Math is hard

I get it

[dusky canopy]

I specifically do not recommend copying the top rated io players

Idk what this guys yapping about

[solid sun]

The cursed 1/4 build came from the streamers. They aren’t copying the streamers/aggregate sites

[young cloud]

Cant have an opinion with an anime profile pic mate

[lofty warren]

I like the copy the unrotated players

[orchid sleet]

wtf

[undone beacon]

[daring marlin]

He says that with that pfp

[naive ravine]

I just wanted to give an example that your question is perfectly normal and reasonable to ask.

No need to feel dumb

[daring marlin]

We all know what that pfp is

Are you stupid?

[dusky canopy]

Intelligence lacks

Ooff

[full robin]

[undone beacon]

[fringe mural]

okay i'm out of here, going to play the actual game again

with 4/4

[orchid sleet]

Does this make me tuff?

[solid sun]

Is my pfp anime or just a cartoon or just a drawing

[undone beacon]

[fringe mural]

and bsv because i'm a couch dad

[dusky canopy]

You ever just slowly fix the posture and hear 6 joints crack mmmm

[orchid sleet]

We both have sick ass anime PFPs

[undone beacon]

tuff 100, ohio rizz activated

[fringe mural]

not yet, maybe at 40

[stray vault]

@naive ravine Ok. I was just checking. I haven’t even made my warrior yet I’ll probably making it when I get home I’m just looking at guides while I’m at work lol

[solid sun]

Nice

[dusky canopy]

Why is this my vision of @solid sun

[lofty warren]

Php is a programming language

[tropic pond]

bsv is good to give you a piece of mind if you mess up

[orchid sleet]

U mean the goat?

[naive ravine]

Make sure to look at Icy veins, that one is a lot better then wowhead

[dusky canopy]

Rhino my goat

[fringe mural]

luckily i never had back pain issues despite being a sloth

[dusky canopy]

Any shrimpers in the chat

[solid sun]

[dusky canopy]

[fringe mural]

yet

[stray vault]

@naive ravine That’s the one I’ve been reading. With some YouTube videos

[daring marlin]

Deadlifts ensure my back is good

[solid sun]

I love shrimp

[naive ravine]

Then you are all set up, welcome in the team (soon)

[dusky canopy]

I’m such a pos I need to lift and fix my diet again

[orchid sleet]

Chud life

[dusky canopy]

Real

[fringe mural]

i shit you not, during corona i lost 50 pounds by doing ring fit adventure workout and changing my diet

[dusky canopy]

Bro if the earth didn’t produce it it’s bad

As simple as that

[solid sun]

I ate some crawfish this weekend

[fringe mural]

i owe nintendo for that one

[outer willow]

It sure does

[dusky canopy]

Me typing that as I buy some 50c powdered donuts from the vending machine at work

Lmfao

[orchid sleet]

Ty goat

[dusky canopy]

🫠

[lusty grotto]

1/4 builds are 💩 and have been since forever:

Second screenshot shows the differences between 4/4 Apex builds and the 1/4 Apex "cursed build" that everyone asks about when looking at aggregate sites:

1. A standard BSV build is taken as base (swapping only EA for BSV), this build is obviously 4/4 Apex.
2. A 4/4 Apex build with LS, Indom and BSV and trading Bloodsurge (BS), Enduring Alacrity (EA), Focused Vigor (FV) at only a 2.2k dps loss.
3. A 4/4 Apex build with LS, Indom and BSV and trading Tough as Nails (TaN), Enduring defenses (ED) and Focused Vigor (FV) at only a 2.7k dps loss.
4. Finally, the 1/4 Apex build loses 5% damage reduction and has a massive 15.5k dps loss, putting you in both an offensive and defensive disadvantage at all times.

The first (on the left) screenshot shows a variation of #2 and #3 showing that you can pick BSV, LS and Indom without dropping 4/4 Apex. That being said, do not use these if youre not rank 1 pushing or past key levels 18 and up: it will hurt you pugging lower keys since youll do less dps/agro/threat - if you're worried about defensiveness then use a BSV build instead, swapping either Enduring Alacrity or Bloodsurge for it.

For rage gain instigate is superior to bloodsurge, except on big target counts so adjust as needed and per key - if you're gonna be kiting more than melee'ing consider bloodsurge instead.

[dusky canopy]

I’ve never had that ngl, wife and I did sushi this weekend

[naive ravine]

Pin that shit nim

[undone beacon]

nim cant

[naive ravine]

Its more then needed

[fringe mural]

i'm running the no bloodborne and bsv instead build

nothing else

[naive ravine]

Wow, can jakey?

[lofty warren]

Dont really think last stand is very good imo

[undone beacon]

Nim isnt a mod, hes a nitro booster

[valid edge]

Fast question: im relativ new to tanking: Is it possible to makro SS and IP together?

[dusky canopy]

Nim isn’t a nitro booster, he’s a mod

[fringe mural]

it increases your healing received which can help when getting rid of the heal absorbs

[full robin]

I go 1/4 cause its fun 🙂

[fringe mural]

in really high keys i guess

[undone beacon]

No.
You can macro SS into IP to snipe resets, but it doesnt save you a bind

[lofty warren]

Nimchomp cant pin stuff he's not a mod

[dusky canopy]

You do not want ignore pain macroed to the keybind you use to press shield slam it will rage starve you

[undone beacon]

But do NOT macro IP into SS

[outer willow]

I stopped using LS a few weeks ago

I miss it but I’m alive and pushing

[naive ravine]

Is jakey a mod?

[lofty warren]

This sounds so aids

[stiff inlet]

anyone have the bop clear macro handy

[undone beacon]

?

pepega imma thrash you

[fringe mural]

it really works

[naive ravine]

What do these funing roles even mean man

[lusty grotto]

fucking made me die on a delve with babby dh

hope yall ready to see shearchip flopping

[valid edge]

wanst it commen in dragonflight? 🙁

[dusky canopy]

Ooo that’s not looking good

[lofty warren]

This will make you cast ss when there are other things available on your prioriry list

[naive ravine]

Stormforged is content creator?

[dusky canopy]

Delve deaths

[lofty warren]

Tc higher but now ur casting ss

[undone beacon]

Not even touching that

anyways

Delves

[naive ravine]

Thank god there is an explanation I have never read what the roles mean

[dusky canopy]

Stormforged are people that are active here, knowledgeable, helpful, and well liked amongst the skyhold community. Generally

[lusty grotto]

hey man

i gotta type in discord

and eat 20 ground shits while im at it

[undone beacon]

Stormforged are like mini mods and experts, Val'kyr are mod mods

[lusty grotto]

i only do 11s on alts anyway

[undone beacon]

Stormforged have some limited moderation controls

[sweet summit]

/cancelaura Blessing of Protection

[lusty grotto]

stormforged are powerful individuals

except for leland

[sweet summit]

stormforged are noobs

[stiff inlet]

idk why i thought it was more then that... duh ty

[sweet summit]

[dusky canopy]

A wild erga appeara Hollyy

Use master ball asap

[lusty grotto]

you would know

[sweet summit]

👴

[naive ravine]

Okay when im back home I will directly message a mod to get that talent build/sim thing from nim pinned

[lusty grotto]

tbh

i dont think its pin worthy

because the amount of people that do the keys that require those talents

are so minimal

[naive ravine]

I mean its just way more chill for everyone to be able to find that stuff

[lusty grotto]

just save the link somewhere

[#protection message](/guild/148872210742771712/channel/148897941883584512/)

[naive ravine]

Also smart

Already did that

Could also do like a google doc shit where I put this stuff from you and the other good pwar theorycrafters

[lusty grotto]

oh i save them to my disc

[dusky canopy]

He loves it when you call him Nimpapa

[frosty mango]

I played colossus last night

[dusky canopy]

That’s badass

[frosty mango]

I don’t miss gathering without tclap

[lofty warren]

When 5%dr was on 1/4 dont think it was super dumb? Thought all the high guys were doing 1/4?

[naive ravine]

Yeah then it could make sense to play 1/4, but now its bad

[dusky canopy]

Any high guys in the chat??
You know what day it is

[naive ravine]

Im high

[sweet summit]

20/4

[carmine frigate]

Now we just need spell reflect to highlight when we’re targeted with a damage reflectable spell

[dusky canopy]

LOL EU

[lofty warren]

Whats 20 divide by 4?

[dusky canopy]

Plant

[undone beacon]

20/4 more like 20/20 like 20 20 vision get it

[sweet summit]

realest thing I've seen all day