protection

[brisk juniper]

Wym the 2 lightforged dudes and the two packs either side

Whole first area.

If you were to lust left side it'd be two seers

[coarse bay]

into left side?

[brisk juniper]

Yah that's lust first pull

[harsh trellis]

hes talkin about that standard

[coarse bay]

u can still lust that

later in dungeon

[tribal wharf]

this is what i do for the dungeon more or less

[coarse bay]

or not lust it

it isnt crazy

[harsh trellis]

BTW dont share a threechest link

[tribal wharf]

the final 1 guy pull was just if we missed a % somehow

[harsh trellis]

people will mess it up

I didnt know you could edit someones pull and mess it up

[daring marlin]

lusting any pack in that dungeon would be higher value than the damage amp boss

[coarse bay]

ya no matter what u lust first

[harsh trellis]

Yeah I agree

Im gonna try that next run

[brisk juniper]

The only way I could see lusting left side be viable is doing something insane like this

And lusting pull 9

[toxic pewter]

omg

2 seers

[brisk juniper]

Pop all raid defensives and hunker the fuck down

[toxic pewter]

that looks awful

lol

even with lust

i dont want 2 seer in 1 pull imo

[brisk juniper]

What else are you lusting left side if not 2 seers

[daring marlin]

How is pulling all of 8 and lusting not more value than the damage amp boss? The damage amp is only 18s anyway

[coarse bay]

these cooks should stay in the kitchen

[harsh trellis]

9 will kill your key

[daring marlin]

You'll have more lust time anyway

[brisk juniper]

You're limited by seers there.

[daring marlin]

this is goofy

[brisk juniper]

The rest is kicks and stuns

[brisk juniper]

So is lusting left side

You aren't pulling anything extra into the pulls on the left side with lust

[daring marlin]

still more value than the amp boss

you can't read

[brisk juniper]

It's just a time save

[daring marlin]

It's not skipping phases by lusting a damage amp phase

You're more than likely getting two anyway and the boss dies

but keep yappin dawg

[drowsy comet]

scream at ur healer for extra heal, heard they like that

[solid sun]

I’ve been a pirate all weekend

Are we playing nice in here

[toxic pewter]

aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[solid sun]

Shiver me timbers

Dude on the boat you can order the crew to sing sea shanties

[toxic pewter]

lol surely that will work

[proud dock]

which addon are people using to track party CDs (specifically defensives)? i heard one of the addons not tracking things accurately but not sure which addon is good.

[solid sun]

I think everyone that works gets killed right

[brisk juniper]

That's been the case yeah

[toxic pewter]

addon called minicc but i personally havent figured out how to change what it tracks yet

[proud dock]

ok thnaks ill try it

[coarse bay]

dont think you can

[brisk juniper]

If only we had a discord to talk in and ask "we got cds for this next pull"

[harsh trellis]

Nice, where?

[solid sun]

Windrose

[toxic pewter]

be warned on tuesday when 12.0.5 comes out the addon prob dead

[brisk juniper]

I've heard good things, bunch of my friends been on it

[proud dock]

hahaha ok thanks

[drowsy comet]

You will get blessed

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-cat-kitty-gif-5272929

[drowsy comet]

Exwindtools dead too then

[coarse bay]

They will always try to hit those addons

it was a very specific thing they said they didnt want

[drowsy comet]

u have more control on who kicks when tbh if u can track it

[coarse bay]

u dont have any control

if youre in a team that can control it, then you can comm

[drowsy comet]

u do, you can manage on who kicks first, next etc. So kicks dont overlap

[coarse bay]

that doesnt need a tracking addon

[drowsy comet]

ur a hater

[coarse bay]

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-horizonrally-spinning-rat-gif-26192938

[solid sun]

It def seems like the best way to handle that situation is group with cam and listen to what cam says

[solid sun]

It me

[coarse bay]

[umbral aurora]

Wow, that really is a high quality horizontally spinning rat!

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-diagonally-spinning-rat-spinning-rat-rat-spin-gif-26228806

[umbral aurora]

Woah

Speechless

[echo egret]

Magister's Terrace : the big void elementals that do AoE shadow damage and heal themselves, is it worth trying to play them near a corner to LOS the spell ?

[harsh trellis]

at the end?

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-upside-down-spinning-rat-spinning-rat-rat-gif-26233335

okay needa stop

[umbral aurora]

Can it possibly get even more amazing? I doubt it

[echo egret]

yes the second part with void elementals everywhere

[harsh trellis]

so here

[echo egret]

there are 3 of them I think in total

[umbral aurora]

Pretty cool but I think diag rat is my favorite

He/she is taking it easy, more of a casual spin than the others

[harsh trellis]

this pull?

[drowsy comet]

let me hold your hand when i say this.

Theres more spinning rats

[umbral aurora]

I believe it. Rats tend to multiply pretty damn fast, rotating or not

[warm plinth]

Have you ever seen a picture of a rat king though

[stiff inlet]

bliz next race

[echo egret]

Yes

[harsh trellis]

here

https://keystone.guru/route/magisters-terrace/aX96y0y/magisters-terrace/1

thats the whole run I did last night on a 15

(need a lock for that route though)

[echo egret]

My question is « do you bother finding a corner to LOS their cast, or cba ? »

The AoE hits hard at those levels

[charred ivy]

i find nexus point rly hard to tank. any tips?

[autumn topaz]

its hard to tank +15 onwards

[opal ledge]

you can try swwaping the armor talent for the magic resist one

[loud rune]

yo, on HC voidspire at crown p2, i saw on logs of a friend that their tank kept alleria inside the entire time without taunt swapping the bosses once, why and how could they do that?

[autumn topaz]

Try kiting null sunders with hamstring and piercing howl

[toxic pewter]

yeah the defenders on the left side.. you have to be careful regarding them they put stacking heal absorb, that also lowers armor, and also does magic damage per hit

so have to be judicious with how you pull the left hallway

[charred ivy]

how many can i go? cause it wipes me hard

[toxic pewter]

also want to pull like max 2 seers for the entire run, 1 at a time of course

yeah honestly for me personally i just pull like max 3-4

[charred ivy]

any other 14 feels like take no dmg this dungeon is crazy

[toxic pewter]

like pulling 2 defenders is also OK

like taking a little longer

and not dying is OK

like the group will be blah blah or whatever but just assuring the stacks dont pile up on u is better than bricking the key

the healer also can remove stacks by healing through the absorb so they should be aware and on top of pumping heals into u especiallyt if u got 4 on u

but the stacks can grow quickly and no shame in kiting too

literally leaping away to drop the stacks

[mystic cave]

First time ever, ty for the help friends

[ornate palm]

Almost every time this.

[harsh trellis]

Hell yeah bro

[warm plinth]

Way to go!

[undone beacon]

GAMING

[ornate palm]

I have a theory, that DPS will sometimes notice that the circuit seer I purposefully didn’t pull is casting and panic hit him, unaware that he isn’t in combat and only casting at one of the conduits.

[harsh trellis]

Dont worry about dps

If they do stupid shit and wipe the key seriously don't give it another thought

Abandon move on to the next key

[undone beacon]

The seers have a “cast” they do and I think sometimes dps panic throw an int, yeah

100%

[ornate palm]

I move on quickly, but they always like to get their jabs in on the crap tank pulling so slow.

[undone beacon]

In a 15 nexus the other night I just walked into one like a dumbass

[harsh trellis]

Lol

[undone beacon]

Still timed

[harsh trellis]

You know how you play and you know what you can take etc... I can't stress enough do not pay attention to dps chatter in keys

[ornate palm]

Yea bruh, I am doing small pulls here. Because that extra pack you brought in wiped us almost instantly.

[severe star]

I think I need a new mythic raid group

[harsh trellis]

So get a new mythic raid group

[severe star]

I think I will

[undone beacon]

Easier said than done as a tank but I believe in you

[severe star]

hard to find one without a tank though

[undone beacon]

Might have to bite the dps bullet for a bit

[harsh trellis]

True so dont quit your mythic raid group

[undone beacon]

[harsh trellis]

At least hang out till one of the dps wife has an affair with one of the officers for some major drama

[severe star]

Issue im having is we have killed impertor 3 times now raiding 6 hours a week but we still havent gotten another one

[coarse bay]

[severe star]

which believe it or not, not a tanking issue

[harsh trellis]

Ask them to move onto the godzilla boss with chicken legs

That boss was also easy

[coarse bay]

It doesnt sound like they arent trying

If you guys want to actually get further into mythic and youre still clearing heroic, you should suggest dropping heroic clears

I cant imagine you still get any value from it at this point

[harsh trellis]

Or at least use the skip

If you're farming necks

[drowsy comet]

@lusty grotto

[severe star]

we dont run hero we just say get it yourself whenever you can if you need it

[harsh trellis]

He already has that

[coarse bay]

Wait so the 6 hours are on vorasius?

[harsh trellis]

He knows I hand drew that for him back in the day

[drowsy comet]

@umbral aurora

[severe star]

split between chim

[coarse bay]

Why split when you havent killed either

[harsh trellis]

Pick 1 or the other for prog

[drowsy comet]

what did he say

[harsh trellis]

That's the issue

You guys should hard focus vorasis and kill that

Then go to chimeras

[severe star]

We usually do 3 hours 1 day vora 3 hours next day on chim and its been like that for 3 weeks

[coarse bay]

It sounds like youre in an aotc guild trying to take a whack at mythic. If you feel like you want to progress further and faster then let the officers know and put your feelers out for a new guild

[harsh trellis]

Because saladbar is worse than both of those

[severe star]

oh I wish I was in my guild runs im just in a mythic community

[drowsy comet]

Saladhaar

[coarse bay]

Oh thats the other problem

[drowsy comet]

saladbar...what is he? vegan?

[harsh trellis]

Which one?

[coarse bay]

You said find a new guild but you arent even in one

[severe star]

I said a mythic group but a guild would work

[coarse bay]

List yourself on raider io, put an ad in the recruitment disc, start looking

[harsh trellis]

Check out zeroes to heroes on stormrage

[drowsy comet]

theres plently of them. RaiderIO has some listed if u wanna take a look

[harsh trellis]

Ig raiding community mega guild

[coarse bay]

Those pug groups never work tbh unless it’s a group of people overqualified

[drowsy comet]

im all in for an IQ test before you want to take on any raid ngl

[cerulean tusk]

U would not pass the bar tho

Why do that to yourself

[drowsy comet]

tell people soak with group, guess who doesnt get soaked, the group

[drowsy comet]

[coarse bay]

Gup i think you have a classic problem of ligma

[drowsy comet]

classic? ew

neckbeards smh

[toxic pewter]

[coarse bay]

[drowsy comet]

U dont laugh

[toxic pewter]

[harsh trellis]

I love pugs trying to coordinate some random bullshit funnel in POS involving a ret pally and the undead pull before the first boss. Wasting more time explaining it rather than just blasting it.

[charred ivy]

actually went a 14 with other healer and didnt feel as ridiculously hard.

[harsh trellis]

Keep going

[harsh trellis]

Yo. Check it...#promotion message

That's the guild community I was telling you about

They are the sister guild of death jesters

Same community

Death jesters is the guild that towliee and Spencer from the starting zone are in. Sparty runs both and he's super nice.

[sharp gale]

Ahhh trying to find a guild as tank…. my TWW story

[loud rune]

can u use heroic leap to jump over on the next platform on phase3 crown cosmos?

[harsh trellis]

Yes

I dont even try to use the jump from the reg mechanic

[sharp gale]

It’s even part of the Strat in mythic

[harsh trellis]

I just heroic leap each one

[fringe mural]

can you also drac thyr jump?

or is it too far

[sharp gale]

idk we are warriors so dracthyr is not that big diff

I would still leap> dracthyr jump

[fringe mural]

not everyone is a warrior though

full warrior raid inc

[harsh trellis]

We dont care about non wars

[fringe mural]

just get rid of arms

and make a heal spec

[sharp gale]

#protection

[harsh trellis]

Give warriors a lust shout

[opal ledge]

we could have a spec similar to augmentation, kinda inspired by gladiator stance, but buffs the team with shouts

[fringe mural]

warrior healer just gives everyone such a massive leech bonus

they will all heal themselves

[harsh trellis]

Gladiator stance
.. those were fun times

[opal ledge]

yo nav... are you playing the 1/4 apex build?

[harsh trellis]

Yes and also no for some keys

[fringe mural]

and everyone who doesn't do damage can die

[tribal wharf]

there, it is done

[sharp gale]

That’s a big beautiful vault

[harsh trellis]

Nice job yogi

[severe star]

thank you

[trim bay]

No. The other adds hurt more. It's a big lust pull with a seer at the end when it patrols around. Saves heaps more time then lusting the adds in the middle.

I'll link my MDT

[vapid anvil]

I have a dumb question as a non-warrior player interested in learning the spec. I see that its listed as the highest APM spec in the game. Is that accurate, or is it just because Ignore Pain and Shield block are off gcd? I had chronic wrist pain when I was playing guardian in the thorns era

[harsh trellis]

If you go with the build on Icey Veins for M+ its not at all fast, its slowed down considerably

Do you play with a 12 button mouse?

[vapid anvil]

i do not. just a 5 button. i use the side buttons for modifiers though so I dont have to use shift/control. that helped my wrist pain considerably

[harsh trellis]

ok so here you go

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide

check that out

[vapid anvil]

appreciate it. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

its still high apm

if played correctly

but if its up to your health, you can opt to have some compromise, it won't really make much of a difference in vault keys, heroic raids, or lower difficulty content

[loud rune]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-meme-funny-gif-15847690455777189602

[lusty grotto]

health (and comfort related to it) is far more important

[harsh trellis]

I can only use the razer naga , the corsair 12 button cramps my hand

I use the tartarus and Naga and its avery comfortable setup

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tNFcddG6Vew

[rocky crest]

Oh the tank lords, grace me with your might. Do we have a chance to get invited over these brews?

[coarse bay]

Yes

[undone beacon]

As you go higher it’ll be harder to get an invite as people in 18+ esp are prob meta chasing most of the time but

[rocky crest]

I did a study, 40 min of constant que into 17's 0 accepted. Solution run your own key

[undone beacon]

It’s a war of attrition

Getting into 16s as a shadow priest is a fucking slog

[rocky crest]

it's sad tbh

god damn sheeps following the streamers

I would say meta comp is crucial from 19 n upwards

let a man play his game. Also skyreach seems impossible for pugs

[quiet matrix]

Kinda hitting same wall of 16-17s :/ Everybody almost wants a Monk

[daring marlin]

??? I'm not saying to lust first pack or the pack on left side. I think lusting boss on right side is a waste.

[jade bluff]

wrong chat im in prot oops

[sharp narwhal]

Asking for one of my tanks, can you reflect on every buster for paladins? Also do you need to have the other tank aggro Senn so she doesn’t munch the reflect with her cast?

[lusty grotto]

correct x2

if no reflect and swap done correctly just wall

[sharp narwhal]

Ty

[sweet summit]

Does thunder blast or SS have higher piro

and thunder clap

[lusty grotto]

TB

then SS

then TC

[sweet summit]

to proc phalanx?

[lusty grotto]

phalanx procs dont matter

you will proc it regardless

we do not min max to proc it

it will just happen naturally

[sweet summit]

aight thanks!

[cerulean tusk]

Phalanx is such a sad Apex talent

aight said my bit

ToN is awesome

ignore pain tracker addon is the best... zz... z

[lusty grotto]

cat, these arent regulars, dont meme

[quiet matrix]

Do you guys use route in Maisara to clear the whole Rokh'zal and get the buff npc summoned 🤔

[sharp narwhal]

Is there any safe time for a dps warrior to try to taunt a buster?

[lusty grotto]

sure, the same way any tank taunts

just have the tank taunt immediately after sotr/fv goes off

they do not melee while casting

and they cast back to back

[mystic cave]

Ive got a holy paladin buddy who is my backup taunt because my cotank brew cant live more than 2 tank mechanics

Bubble taunts on a dime if I call for it, saved multiple pulls

[sharp narwhal]

So you taunt during judge or the other spell?

[mystic cave]

during judge

[sharp narwhal]

As the warr

Kk

[lusty grotto]

im

um

are you the dps warrior?

we taunt as soon as the judgment cast starts

not late taunt

[sharp narwhal]

The person who I’m asking for is

[lusty grotto]

early taunt

couldn't they have asked your tanks?

[sharp narwhal]

He doesn’t even know it’s a thing you can do yet, we’re a pretty casual guild but as the RL I just like knowing what options we have available

[lusty grotto]

if its a casual guild i wouldn't risk SR parse cheesing on a dps warrior

he can do Senn reflects instead

[tribal wharf]

if there is some dumb ass tank trinket in vault

i think im gunna go for that

[trim bay]

Probably why your having a hard time in the dungeon

[open mantle]

With the new forging upgrade system, which do they recommend prioritizing for warrior protection? Crafted weapon?

[lusty grotto]

same prio that's pinned

[coarse bay]

Ya guilford

Why are you struggling

[daring marlin]

I'm not having trouble in the dungeon. Who are you talking to?

[lusty grotto]

nothing changes

[daring marlin]

Because I said the left side is the only hard part of the dungeon? Are you deficient? @trim bay

[lusty grotto]

what are we talking about

oh NPX

[coarse bay]

Ya somebody was saying the damage amp on the boss was the biggest value lust

[lusty grotto]

i mean sure

thats why you go left first

but you lust first pull regardless

[daring marlin]

Don't care for it cuz 9/10 don't get a third lust

[lusty grotto]

it can be the middle area or the left side standard

well

its possible to just do left side lust and run back

and then you can optimize lusts

[coarse bay]

Ya

[lusty grotto]

the more defenders and shit you kill, the better

[daring marlin]

Cudge is clearly ESL he no read so good

[daring marlin]

cursed

[tribal wharf]

game no longer give me EOD loot

oh well

someone, i think mwhai

saying dont take overwhelming rage in any cotennt?

[undone beacon]

I'm doin an online D&D session and this is our battlefield right now

[tribal wharf]

so not even keys?

[daring marlin]

pwar died

[coarse bay]

[daring marlin]

bet hje wouldnt have if he was 4/4

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

honestly i dont even get going 1/4 lol

like the damage from just the little phalanx shockwave isnt even that good

and clearly you dont even care about overall damage if you going 1/4

might as well go 0/4

[daring marlin]

YOU CAN TAKE MORE DAMAGE AND DO LESS

IT'S GENIUS

[toxic pewter]

[undone beacon]

gaming

[tribal wharf]

thats all i can think of when i see your image

[sweet summit]

how hard is it supposed to be to run +12 keys as 250 ilvl prot warrior

i feel like wet concrete

[lusty grotto]

i did them at 230

just gearing to 250ish

[tribal wharf]

yes, just be careful to play properly at low ilvl

put your self at alot of risk low ilvl with poor play

[toxic pewter]

wat that mean wet concrete

[balmy narwhal]

Is the first pull in AA doable as prot warrior? I feel like pulling everything hurts alot

[toxic pewter]

most definitely doable

[umbral aurora]

That's a rat

[toxic pewter]

but there is no shame in pulling 2 groups and then chaining the third

[umbral aurora]

If I'm not mistaken

[toxic pewter]

I know some people even in here would even say not to do thatbut you dont lose that much time and its safer

[balmy narwhal]

and do you pull one group of bugs?

if you split

[toxic pewter]

can even pull 2 groups of bugs tbh

with the first pull

its just that 3rd lasher pack that adds a whol new level of damage

but if you are intent on learning to do the big pull all in 1

gotta plan your defensive cd's

and kite

and pray

lmao

if u r a dwarf it helps a lot too

[pastel geyser]

Dwarf + evoker makes it pretty easy

But the biggest thing that makes it easy is having rly good dps

The longer it goes the higher chance you just die

[stray sonnet]

this a good defensive tank trinket for m+?

[lusty grotto]

very mid

[remote sparrow]

Once we hit the haste threshold to swap over to Into The Fray do we still use haste flasks and the haste buff in Algethar?

[lusty grotto]

you dont stop going for haste

but you can swap the flask

not for gearing nor for AA buff

[tribal wharf]

pretty mid ya

thats one i have

my tool tip for it at 6/6 hero, 182k bubble, 4700 dmg + 2700 on final

" " "healing" " " and dmg, 0.5% dmg sad

[hoary coyote]

hey guys, how much mastery I need on my prot ?

[lusty grotto]

we dont have set amounts for stats

just sim

there's no specific numbers you chase as a prot warrior

just equip anything with haste

[hoary coyote]

Im 25% crit / 27% haste / 20% mastery / 3%vers idk if i need more % on any of those

[lusty grotto]

if thats not clear enough: we dont aim for a specific number, we just sim haste pieces

[hoary coyote]

oky tyvm

[winged zenith]

Any change tomorrow?

[lusty grotto]

colossus getting buffed

[ebon geyser]

leave for 2 weeks for work... miss free raid gear..

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[loud rune]

much love out to yall

[undone beacon]

[hazy crest]

Can we stack arcanoweave lining?

Rather, should we? Looted a mythic weapon so I never crafted one, so my 2 embelishments will be shield / boots

[undone beacon]

Yeah 2x arcanoweave is good

[hazy crest]

Much thank

[toxic pewter]

What you guys think is best plan to use bonus rolls and vault situation

Like apparently can get a third nebulous core item from vault or something

[mystic cave]

Keys feel like the infinitely better choice to me, twice the rolls to guarantee pieces. 2 charges for one raid item seems such bad value

[mystic cave]

for 6 coins, instead of socket you can get one more roll

[lusty grotto]

im personally going for a 2h

so dropping on keys

[toxic pewter]

Is it another roll or another nebulous core thing so instead of two you get three for the week right

[mystic cave]

thats my understanding of it at least

me personally, im hunting for the MT shield

[toxic pewter]

Keys cost three raid cost two

[mystic cave]

keys cost one

raid costs two

[toxic pewter]

Hmm

[undone beacon]

That is correct

One token to roll from M+

Two for a raid boss

[toxic pewter]

Wow thought it was three for some reason

[mystic cave]

so unless you are specifically hunting a umbral plume/gaze and need nothing from m+

raid seems like a giga waste to me

[undone beacon]

You get two cores a week, and can get a bonus third from vault tokens instead of a socket

[toxic pewter]

So may be worth it to take one roll for m+ from vault and use two on mythic chim is that an appropriate way to go about this

[undone beacon]

If you have nothing else in the vault you need

It would be silly to give up a vault item for a single M+ reroll

[toxic pewter]

Yah

If vault bad then what I said seems ok right

[undone beacon]

Potentially yeah

It’s gonna depend a ton on what you have and need

[toxic pewter]

Yes

[undone beacon]

A socket is still a socket which is a guaranteed upgrade

But if you are targeting something from M+, or don’t need a socket, the roll is a good pick

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn rolling randomly in an m+ is decent size loot table

[undone beacon]

I’m sure a lot of people will throw tokens at Xenas for the rings

Mmhm, that’s why it’s cheaper

[mystic cave]

twice the loot (ish) in m+ total

for half the cost seems fair to me

[toxic pewter]

Hmmm interesting choices ahead that’s for sure

Yeah seems interesting could get three myth items from m+

[undone beacon]

Essentially will come down to figuring out what bosses have chase pieces you still need, and what dungeons have the highest ratios of hits to misses on upgrades

[lusty grotto]

stop saying three

its two

[undone beacon]

You could get three

If you take the vault token

[mystic cave]

only three with vault ya

[lusty grotto]

you get three by dismissing the vault

[undone beacon]

Is what he’s saying

[lusty grotto]

i know what hes saying but he keeps repeating it

nobody in their right mind will dismiss a vault

[toxic pewter]

lol

It’s possible

[undone beacon]

I mean we’re getting to a point where you totally could

[toxic pewter]

Cloaks and garbage shit

[undone beacon]

I have myth/crafted in half my slots now

[lusty grotto]

if you raid sure

if you dont

i have 2 myth slots

[toxic pewter]

I mean it’s possible vault filled with cloaks I’ve literally seen it

[lusty grotto]

out of all my gear

[undone beacon]

Yeah but we’re talking specifically about APB rn, he could get three myth items from M+ with the system if he takes tokens from vault

idk weird thing to jump on lol

[mystic cave]

until you are full min/maxed outside of mythic trinkets, m+ seems like WAY more value, even at 2 charges a week

[toxic pewter]

I don’t want to not take something from the vault to be fair

[undone beacon]

If there’s an upgrade in vault ofc you’re going to take that

[lusty grotto]

we got enough critters here that are insta going for the token

you know who im talking about

[toxic pewter]

lol I’m just happy to learn it’s just one core in m+ literally thought it was three for some reason

[undone beacon]

To be fair those people don’t listen to anything we have to say anyways

Wonder if the big P ever took that solar core igniter

[lusty grotto]

yes but the problem is if they keep repeating it, lurkers might get the wrong idea

[undone beacon]

Sure, but apb was asking a genuine question because he didn’t understand the system

[toxic pewter]

That’s fair I don’t condone taking that third core for no reason for the record

[undone beacon]

That’s all

[lusty grotto]

youre good apb, dw

[toxic pewter]

🫡

[undone beacon]

My plan on warr is to just throw them at nexus for the rings since I don’t raid regardless

Priest will be Chim til I have gaze, then nexus as well

[toxic pewter]

Yah rings seem like good pickups

[lusty grotto]

kinda wish fury still got 1h

but it is what it is

[mystic cave]

the shield in MT is worth it i think too no?

[lusty grotto]

why MT

NPX shield is better

crit vers

[mystic cave]

oh maybe i have the wrong shield in my memory bank

then NPX is giga bis always

[lusty grotto]

ye

but i got that last vault

probably the only good vault im getting the entire season lmao

[mystic cave]

my last vault was 6/8 trinkets

🙂

[toxic pewter]

Yeah nexus seeming like a sweet dungeon to perhaps target

[undone beacon]

Smaller loot pool cuz only three bosses, good pieces, yeah

Skyreach is another good one as there’s a shield, weapon, and two strong trinkets

As well as tier slots

[toxic pewter]

Yeah dang skyreach true

[lusty grotto]

seat, NPX, skyreach are probably the best bonus roll options tbh

gloves, trinkets, ring combo, shield

[undone beacon]

Seat just has such a large item pool I swear

[lusty grotto]

WS is good too if you wanna fish for a myth heart

[toxic pewter]

I do need a trinket bad I guess I’m putting my hopes in chimaerus

[mystic cave]

man i still dont have the gloves from seat, im tempted to send them there

[undone beacon]

I took myth prism over myth heart this week

[lusty grotto]

for arms, pit is probably the best for 2h

and fury i guess

[toxic pewter]

This new system is cool tho I will say

In my opinion at least

[undone beacon]

Pit has a nice neck and ring too

Have faith that Tuesday morning there will be a “best bosses and dungeons to use your null cores on” article

[mystic cave]

im pretty locked into NX into Seat, maybe ill be lucky and i can send it in seat week two

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

MT MC fury
Pit arms

for 2h

[undone beacon]

Caverns for fury? Just for wep?

[lusty grotto]

the other keys just have vers mastery 2h

[mystic cave]

surely i get a mythic weapon offerd for the first time all tier this week in vault

so i can move my embelishment

right

[lusty grotto]

in the long run pash

ill probably only send it in pit

since arms is just ahead

[undone beacon]

I got a myth bis staff on my priest this vault and was hype
Took that over tier hands because big Final Grade

Though with this new system, I could’ve gambled on tokens in NPX for that staff which is the same but, that’s gambling vs a guaranteed big upgrade asap

Like I get the argument that Petri had because it’s gonna feel bad to eventually roll a weapon with the weekly limited currency but at the same time, I think people are gonna gimp themselves getting caught up on the gambling

[lusty grotto]

its gambler's fallacy

[undone beacon]

That it is

[lusty grotto]

basically the whole umbrella of it

[winged zenith]

Colossus better now?

[undone beacon]

Semi related but I was gonna farm the NPX ring I’m missing in 10s until I ran some sims and it’s a downgrade to wear the set unless I get myth ring

[toxic pewter]

What do the two nexus rings do anyway

They give more dam?

[lusty grotto]

just a lil bit

but not enough to hard focus them asap

[toxic pewter]

I see

[winged zenith]

We all go colossus now?

[lament zealot]

Thane still better

[undone beacon]

In terms of damage and survivability, they’re basically on even keel. iirc Col is better ST and Thane is better AoE, but they are neck and neck. Thane is also just going to be easier for most people

[stray sonnet]

would a ring craft be a bad craft? i crafted weapon/shield with sigil:hunt and arcanoweave lining

trying to see what to craft for 3rd

lowest ilvl is ring right now

[winged zenith]

Ring craft is good free upgrade in worst case

[coarse bay]

Honestly with how many high haste rings are available i would put it low prio

[winged zenith]

You wont be getting 2 myth rings this early

[coarse bay]

I’d just do bracer/cloak so that you can transition your embellishments there once you get a wep/shield personally

[winged zenith]

Cloak craft is bad

Need catalyst that one

[stray sonnet]

actually i have 3 sparks. i could craft a ring now and then wait for next spark so ill be ready to craft wrist if needed

[winged zenith]

Same for wrist

[coarse bay]

Why is cloak and wrist bad?

[winged zenith]

You want catalyst that one

[coarse bay]

Says who

[winged zenith]

Early myth boss drops them

[coarse bay]

[winged zenith]

Bis stats from catalyst

You wont be lucky with ring

[coarse bay]

Those are lowest budget slots, we use them for embellishments

[winged zenith]

He said 2 embeloshment on weapon and shiels

[coarse bay]

Yes, which the goal will be to replace them with myth

Starting next week that will be more achievable as well

Bracer and cloak are not bad crafts

Just because of “bis stats”

[winged zenith]

Not true this early

[coarse bay]

What do you mean

What isnt true

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-17462381086855080514

[severe star]

Isnt crafted cloak one of the best crafts we have

[lusty grotto]

the best craft you have is what the sims tell you

[severe star]

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

the slots that are in the guides and recommendations assume that you have myth everything

which is nobody

i crafted belt last reset simply because my belt was champ

whereas my cloak and wrists are hero track, so thats one example

[coarse bay]

Ya only things id fully avoid is tier slots until you have 4 myth ones PERSONALLY

Calling wrist and cloak bad because of cata is just wrong though

[simple moat]

is mastery needed for higher keys?

[ionic fern]

No - but it's not a bad stat.

[proud dock]

got a dumb question (debate i was having with another player): if you had to pick only 1, would you prio gear enchants or using combat pots? in the case of trying to "save" gold. this person was saying chest enchants was not worth it.

[wooden lily]

What tier level id the piece of gear and which gear. Myth chest would be worth getting the enchant. Espically on the better quality version. Now pots depend. Silver quality is cheap and you would buy a lot for the price of the gold enchant but I would probably go enchant

[ionic fern]

Enchant is static...pots you need to keep on buying.

I'd also go enchants.

[proud dock]

cant remember tier level, maybe it was something less than hero but we were doing +16s

[wooden lily]

Its almost always enchant first over combat pots

[proud dock]

ty

[stray sonnet]

fastest way to get hero crests? spam 8s, delves, or prey?

[drowsy comet]

Preys for coffer shards and Delves for crests yea

[lofty glen]

1 shot hc raid

[vale vapor]

Hello fellow Warrior tanks, could you advise me on a defensively‑oriented build? Most builds seem focused on damage, but this one is mainly intended for Mythic Raiding.

[drowsy comet]

Icyveins

[pallid quiver]

Especially for raiding, the main reason for this is that damage on tanks is pretty much always telegraphed and at specific timings. This is especially so in raid. Basically, the defensive things that are useful are your major defensive CDs (which you'd have to work really hard to not grab) and encounter specific utilities (think things like negating a mechanic with divine shield on a Paladin, spell reflecting roots on Ansurek last expac, or grabbing extra interrupts/CC for adds like in Raz two expacs ago). There's sometimes bosses that have their main notable gimmick being that the tanks get hurt a little hard, but there's not much for it than making sure you keep playing well and to rotate defensives smart. There's not many swaps you can make that would make a notable difference due to the nature of things. BSV might help if you're not picking it, but it might even help if there's underlying issues

[oak ivy]

bsv is a good "oops fuck missed paladin taunt" safety net 👍

[dusty orchid]

^

[oak ivy]

hello friend :D

[dusty orchid]

fancy seeing you here

[fringe mural]

Bsv will help you not die if you made a mistake, which is a good thing for the group but a bad thing for your own progress

Unless you will actively use it on purpose to circumvent a certain mechanic or help your healer/s focus on the group in a moment

or you will suddenly drop after it wears off because the healer thought you're fine with the pull when you actually aren't fine

[jagged pier]

why would u die to this tho, u SR sotr

[elfin elk]

What's the play for paladins then, do you taunt off the other boss and then eat every combo yourself?

[jagged pier]

i think u can only eat teh combo of one and u swap on the other

which makes missing a taunt very silly cause u track 1 boss

[elfin elk]

I need to have a closer look at that boss we're heading there next week

Guess it means we can just have Bellamy sit on us the entire fight then

[jagged pier]

i mean im not raiding this tier but thats what i would expect that tactic to be when u can negate the tank mechanic

just taunt swap 1 boss, dont miss SR on the other

[oak ivy]

sometimes shit gets well and truly fucked up and i eat the entire judge judge shield sword

(i have a tendency to panic challenge shout if i lose track of things)

[oak ivy]

There's a few points in the fight where they repeat it before SR comes back up unforty, i'd love to do this but its better practice to just do it normal i think

[jagged pier]

dont u just SW that one tho

from what ive seen ppl saying

[oak ivy]

i dont think you live even with wall/demo on myth

i wanna say its like 4m magic damage premit

and there's the thing where if you ever press SR like a global too early, senn can exorcism into it and leave you unprotected from sotr

[jagged pier]

so the other tank keeps aggro of senn

so that doesnt happen

[oak ivy]

other tank is brewmaster running auras out

only time he has aggro is during swaps and when someone's about to consecrate

[jagged pier]

but u have leap

[oak ivy]

but he has speed taunt

[jagged pier]

why does speed taunt matter

im literally looking at a log of a warrior doing it no problem

and thers also no cross over of sotr

no tank takes damage from it

so theres isnt an over lap

[oak ivy]

pls dont make me get out of bed for this

like 3min into the fight they taunt swap, then again like 10sec later

it could very well be done with me leap out and do it that way, im not saying it couldnt

[oak ivy]

that is how we opted to do it to save some dps uptime as the boss doesnt have to leave as soon thanks to speed taunt

ok

[jagged pier]

it lasts 6 seconds

do able

thats SR casts

covers it

presume u need this for it

easy enough to get as u dont need stops etc for the fight

[oak ivy]

valid

I would like to try this but we live in a world (guild) where I'd fuck it up once and insta get banned from attempting

[jagged pier]

i mean it seems pretty simple happens at the same time u just press it 5-6 seconds before the first 1 and then again on the second

but u need to be conc tank to properly do it tho i suppose so Exorcism doesnt eat it

but still that even that swap should make prog easier

[oak ivy]

so uh im gonna be 100% with you jakey

[oak ivy]

i wanted so badly to reference this as a reason not to do this strat

she's not casting it during that time in the fight

senn is fucked off doing holy paladin things

[jagged pier]

well then it should be doable i suppose, but up to you if u do it or not , i wouldnt change now your progging but if u were about to or like just started i would have recommended the change

[naive ravine]

I mean its just a change between tanks so its not that much reorganizing

[oak ivy]

i mentioned the sotr reflect, we did a singular "can he dk it?" pull and i did not know i had to send it early at 2:30, died, raid leader upsetti and vetoed the idea

will try my luck again next week

[jagged pier]

deep into prog a small change can regress everyone, very fast

[naive ravine]

If it wasnt a tank only change sure, but "everyone" would not apply in this case

[oak ivy]

i have profound brain damage and will likely find a way to cause a wipe to this

[pastel geyser]

do u even need to tank swap on holy council in voidspire if u have 2 warrior tanks, i know one buster is reflectable and the other is a deflect

[jagged pier]

Nope

[pastel geyser]

i love spell reflect

[drowsy comet]

u only tank swap if nessecary, on dragons

the rest should be normal

[pastel geyser]

well i wasnt talking about dragons

was curious about council if on mythic you'd need to swap

cuz warrior just ignores buster :D

[drowsy comet]

i heard tank swap and immidiately think of dragons, every single time with pugs O.o

[bleak breach]

Hi guys,

On mythic Vaelgor and Ezzrak the taunt swap is after Gloom yeah?

[drowsy comet]

why did I even join this stupid key with THIS guy..mage said "we gonna carry him hihi", fuck all jfc

fucking hell

[sharp gale]

It’s hard to understand there is no swap until last phase ?

[bleak breach]

Mythic you have to alternate glooms I think

[sharp gale]

I didn’t answer you

[drowsy comet]

tank swap happens after each intermission if the health difference is getting too big, thats what I have been doing in pugs

[sharp gale]

You can hit either dragon at every time

[bleak breach]

That’s a really polite way to speak to someone

[sharp gale]

I would need to check logs to know when they swap, but on gloom seems good

[drowsy comet]

valid crashout?

[sharp gale]

No + I would have reported that war

[naive ravine]

Dont leave the group and get a penalty

[sharp gale]

And the mage

[drowsy comet]

we abandoned

[naive ravine]

And it depends on the other factors, if the druid was like bottom dps not using kick etc

[drowsy comet]

nobody kicked shit in seat, no CCs, no kicks, nothing

[naive ravine]

It would be a valid crashout

[drowsy comet]

and yes i was the warrior im pissed

[vital stirrup]

Im doing keys in the 10-12 range and inspect everyone before key start. Im not boosting some 230 ilvl alt.

[bleak breach]

What level key?

[sharp gale]

You would have won my report

[naive ravine]

My rule of thumb is, if someone is getting boosted through a key and has complains then we stop the boost

Thanks to the new sytsem you can basically force abandon as tank

[drowsy comet]

I just saw his ilvl after the key started, I didnt even had time to fully prep myself, checked route, eat, drink up etc. Key started instantly after key started, then I have inspect´d everybody i got a screenshot too one sec

[vital stirrup]

I just dont wanna bother to start with

[drowsy comet]

he began, idgaf

[sharp gale]

Then I would have reported both of you

[naive ravine]

I always think if I were the one that gets a boost I would be happy to get a tank that accepts the boost

[drowsy comet]

dont make me more mad i warn you

[drowsy comet]

10

[sharp gale]

shut the fuck up Russian guy = you automated my report on you, I’m sorry

[naive ravine]

Have fun reporting them, you wont get your key back so w/e

[drowsy comet]

wasnt mine anyway

[naive ravine]

"Shut the fuck up" making you someone report them is crazy

[sharp gale]

More like the racism

[naive ravine]

Yeah man rly racist to say russian to the guy that seems to be speaking russian

[drowsy comet]

its just fucking hard to do the first 2-3 packs, pull them together, get your IP / Shieldblock up etc, and nobody kicking or uses CCs. Ofc we wipe, literally 20 deaths in the first room bruh

[naive ravine]

There is a clear diffrence between "shut up CUZ u are russian" and "shut up russian guy"

[sharp gale]

Shut the fuck up American guy

[naive ravine]

Lol nice try im german

Loser

[sharp gale]

Yes I tried to explain how it is rude

[winged zenith]

Wait what spell reflect works on judgemet cast on council????

[naive ravine]

You talking about beeing rude while beeing the worst up there

[sharp gale]

???

[drowsy comet]

whats the racism? He calles me tard, which literally means hmhm tard, what do you expect me to do? Acting like im the problem and its obviously my fault for THEM not kicking?´???

[winged zenith]

Hello, judgement is reflectable?

[sharp gale]

No it’s the tankbuster after judgement

From senn if I remember

[winged zenith]

Never felt that buster

Maybe because defensive running on jusgemet

[vital stirrup]

Both can be reflected but only one of them will deal damage back iirc

[drowsy comet]

additionally he insults me in russian too btw

[sharp gale]

Damn so that gives you 1 coupon to insult him

no it doesn’t

[sharp gale]

It’s a two step tankbuster, one of them cast their judgement and then do the tankbuster specific to them, it’s the specific you can reflect from 2 of the 3

[winged zenith]

So judgement isnt tank buster main damage come from 2nd cast?

[sharp gale]

Both are, it’s the swap, judgement increase dmg taken by the followed up tankbuster

[winged zenith]

For example commander cast judgement and he does 2nd cast after? Same for general

[sharp gale]

All 3 does it

[vital stirrup]

The 3rd just spams exorcism iirc

[sharp gale]

yeah mb senn just spam cast

[bleak breach]

Those are the reflectable abilities

[winged zenith]

So we never need to swap judgement if 2 wars

Just spell reflect after jusgemet cast

[jagged pier]

no u just press SR

during judgement before judgement

its not reflectable so it dont matter

[winged zenith]

Not after but before judgement?

[vital stirrup]

Could you get an unlucky exorcism mid buster or will she not cast during it?

[jagged pier]

from what the guy said earlier she doesnt

so it shouldnt matter

as long as SR is cast within 6 seconds before the mechanic hits u, its fine

[bleak breach]

Interesting

[fringe mural]

It's funny how the people that know paladins from back then have no issue figuring out how that encounter works

that's how judgement always worked

You cast it, and then you cast another thing that deals increased dmg given the judgement is active

pala style

[winged zenith]

Final verdict is insta cast right after judgement finish?

So that is why we need activate SR during judhement cast?

[drowsy comet]

i really got a report and a message in the main menu, wow man

[fringe mural]

Well tbf, i think it sucks that they use kyrillan language on an english server

but he might also be a mad polish guy or ukranian dude

[drowsy comet]

"oh no why is there a tank shortage.."

[fringe mural]

I had a dude asking in /2 for a craft in russian

On a german realmpool

very gud

you know a russian colleague of mine in university was really amused by the term 'puke language' because for him it sounds like you try to talk while vomiting, just as german sounds really aggressive to non-natives or arabic like they want to gut you when in fact they talk about flowers in their garden

[winged zenith]

1 more question if other tank isnt war I must swap?

[jagged pier]

yes

u swap on 1 boss

[winged zenith]

But can I reflect for damage 1st then swap?

[jagged pier]

they do the mechanic at like the same time

it has no impact on the SR u press it and taunt the other one

u ither SR or deflect i suppose depending on which hits first

or because u hav both to start ith u just take the judgement and SR

and the other buster goes to the other tank because he taunts after judgement

[winged zenith]

So I must beg other tank to not taunt during judgement

So I can reflect damage

[naive ravine]

Just move on and ignore, not everyone has the mental IQ to understand the diffrence

[pastel geyser]

pretty much

or ask him if he can handle solo xD

[crisp ocean]

for magisters terrace when I get marked with rune do both players go into the bubble at the same time?

[winged zenith]

No 1 by 1 after group topped to full

[crisp ocean]

I waited and died

[winged zenith]

Maybe too slow?

[crisp ocean]

maybe

[tame jasper]

Healer has to top group. You shouldnt wait lobger than a few secs

But in general the non-tank should go first, cause we can survive with the dot more easier

[stiff inlet]

Hmm does anyone have any pointers for the dps side of our rotation? I seem to be doing pretty poorly, I am clearing 14s somwhat reasonably but my dps parses are all gray for key level for prot. I can link logs if that would help

[harsh trellis]

logs

or toon name someone else may have posted logs

[stiff inlet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgALvaZrkHnqT78M?fight=13&type=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgALvaZrkHnqT78M?fight=17&type=damage-done

[errant leaf]

12.0.5 is this reset ?

[daring marlin]

Tomorrow yup

[stiff inlet]

My brain read that as 12.5 I was like dang fast expansion. I need more coffee

[harsh trellis]

You arent pressing revenge

[jagged pier]

talents for 1

[harsh trellis]

at all

[jagged pier]

wasting rage for a second

casting more TCs than SSs they should be about the same

[harsh trellis]

Youre mashing ignore pain instead of waiting for 70% rage

[stiff inlet]

Okay perfect those are thing I will work on

And I got the talents from topix yt video

With a couple minor tweaks

I will dig in on those

Ty!

I appreciate you taking some time to assist!

I grabbed the talent from this faq will go through and look today and try them

[tribal wharf]

somebody dunno who said "overwhelming rage is bad i all content" dunno if that was jakey or mwahi and im curious who said it and a bit of a longer answer, at least in terms of keystones.

no, like every single expansion, i am not doing pyscho keys +18s where if i dont have 3 defensives up and ip i get 1 shot by all tank buster attacks

because im pretty sure IV PWAR guide shows the build i have

so use the iv build, is like total redundant answer

i asked before too

so if it truly is bad, i would like to consider changing it

similiar to how i though i use intervene 40 times a key, nope, like, 6/7

so now im considering dropping that.

i am constantly working at bettering myself this ways, but it takes large ship long time to turn, as the saying goes

[naive ravine]

Playing better > talents

[daring marlin]

Unless you take 1/4 apex. You failed the basic IQ test there if you skip that.

[naive ravine]

Even then

Playing better > talents

[stiff inlet]

<--- failed iq test

Also plays bad lol

[naive ravine]

There is just not upside to not taking 4/4 apex

[stiff inlet]

Yea im reading on that now, I just went in with topix build as I am new but learning as we go

[naive ravine]

A lot of ppl get trapped

[stiff inlet]

Im living decently well so now im working to I prove my output to help

Improve*

[naive ravine]

The funny part is, with apex u deal tons of more dmg

And get 5% dr

[stiff inlet]

I have only played prot warrior since week two of midnight so got a lot to work on, will get there

A lot of info in here I read through each day lol

[daring marlin]

Had a Warrior in a 17 who would have lived two different pulls if he had the 4/4 apex, for sure. ALAS

[naive ravine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YHDw8yv47bA2pcmx?fight=114&type=damage-done&source=925

Apex dmg goes hard

[stiff inlet]

Lol yea

Whole group was pumpin

Yall melted that run 🤣

[naive ravine]

We currently gearing to do some higher keys

[stiff inlet]

Thats sick

[naive ravine]

(Except feral instead of rouge)

[stiff inlet]

Yea have a few guilds running 15/16s currently ones a tank tho so when he wants to dps I slide in lol now that we have 14/15 resil keys its easier to not stress bricks if we try some new thinfs

Always super anxious bricking someone's key lol

[naive ravine]

I feel that

[daring marlin]

simply don't feel anxious

If you're doing your best you can't feel bad

imo

Pit is fun.

Hunter was struggling some lmfao

[tribal wharf]

Do you know what my favorite thing is to do in warcraft? I love bricking keys with brown dot! its the best thing and the most amount of fun you can have will playing a tank!

[stiff inlet]

Im working on that

[naive ravine]

Crit wings puzzel box when?

[daring marlin]

I'm the ret lmao

I'll goof around with prot pally again

[naive ravine]

Oh

[tribal wharf]

shits gunna happen is all i mean with that meme post

[daring marlin]

Crit wings owns

[naive ravine]

I mean then you have puzzel box for tanking

[daring marlin]

I love puzzlebox

[tribal wharf]

i dont want EITHER of AA trinket

[naive ravine]

Yoda would agree

[tribal wharf]

games or puzzle

[naive ravine]

Puzzel prot war no meme anymore

[tribal wharf]

so its a dungeon im semi actively avoiding

[daring marlin]

Imagine not wanting peak

grrr I'm Yogi I HATE doing big damage!!!!

[stiff inlet]

Need my key to turn into a 14 Aa so I can crash into the 1st pull a few times

[daring marlin]

💢

[tribal wharf]

peak will be jelly + fuckin whats the word i cant think of it.................................................................

the seat one

i want to call it globoule but thats pit

[daring marlin]

Once I get 17 resil I might start goofing around with tanking those keys

[tribal wharf]

ampoule

me want ampoule, if i see one of those, especially with speed on it

im getting so fed up with no new hero trinket drops i was considering making all 5 tank spec group

till something neat drops

and i get it

[naive ravine]

AA is easy if you know when to kite

Kite until your bleeds have 3 sec duration remaining

[pastel geyser]

i had a puzzle box myth in vault but i went against taking it

im glad i did lol

[stiff inlet]

Yea im getting better at it but still not comfortable lol

[tribal wharf]

i hate gett4ing hit unblocked

this is, i already do it too much

i dont need even 0.0000001% more

unblocked hits that were blockable

[harsh trellis]

Do that at lower keys to practice

[tribal wharf]

if there is a 272 myth puzzle in my vautl tomorrow

i mean, hell ya im going to take it

[harsh trellis]

3 seconds left charge back in get more stacks?

Why not let it fall off

[tribal wharf]

i would really prefer ring, or neck, or seat glove or leg

[naive ravine]

Cuz the cast takes 3 seconds

You wont refresh if u start going in with 3 seconds left

[tribal wharf]

its a 20 second buff which is nice, not as nice as the queen aszhara trinket last 30 seconds, meaning you can get 10 seconds of another trinket with its buff up

so you dealt stupid damage

[harsh trellis]

Is there a good ad on that you could use to put all the debuffs in the middle of your screen? Because right now when I look at my debuffs, it's like looking at your rear view mirror that's where all my debuffs are.So I kind of need them center

Because I'm gonna give that 3 second thing a shot this evening. When I play and thank you

[vital stirrup]

Pretty sure you can move them with base ui

[tribal wharf]

you can move almost everything base ui

this is ONLY thing you cant move, similiar how you can never get rid of your main backpack inventory bag

[naive ravine]

In using atrocity ui and I just moved the normal blizzard debuff closer to the middel

[naive ravine]

👍

I still think old AA pull was cooler

Bleeds suck

[tribal wharf]

this is the other thing i would change too if i had the power to do it

make this so it can recognize loading as a collapsed state on log in

[vital stirrup]

Yea it just ain't as fun to pull rn

[tribal wharf]

its just yet 1 more thing i have to do every time i log in to do a keystone

[harsh trellis]

So when you're pulling all of the plants, how many stacks of the debuff do you start kiting?

[naive ravine]

Ive only done 12s so far and most of the time i face tank them till the end cuz my healer otherwise is bored

[vital stirrup]

At 3 stacks 6 sec left you can leap out then go back in at 3 sec

[naive ravine]

But I would probably tank them till I used half of my cds and then start kiting

[vital stirrup]

At least thats how brew does it

With only 1 leap going to 6 stacks might be better

[harsh trellis]

I have 2 really awesome healers but most the time I pug so thats good info to have

[naive ravine]

Can only go to 5 stacks in AA

[vital stirrup]

Can you drop on 5? Thought the last one would be casting

[naive ravine]

Im also dwarf/Dark iron dwarf so that also helps

[vital stirrup]

Yea dwarf would be much easier

[naive ravine]

You just need to kite till 3 sec left, thats the only important part

Cuz the lashers have basically infinte range once they start the cast

So wait till 1 refresh and then kite

[vital stirrup]

Just wasnt sure when exactly their casts starts

Always done on 3

[harsh trellis]

I want to stay human but i'm considering switching darkIron dwarf

[naive ravine]

I mean its defenetly not a must have, it just makes things easy

[harsh trellis]

I timed the fifteen a but I did a double pull so I need to lock in 1 pull tactics

[naive ravine]

AA has a tight timer

Most important thing next to first pull is knowing what battleaxes do

[harsh trellis]

I mean, it's the same pull every single time also

[daring marlin]

Obviously you cast it betwen pulls nobody(but maybe a prot pally) will use puzzlebox midpull

why do you keep saying this?

[harsh trellis]

Yeah, I know.You can double pull the left and the right ads before vexamus

[naive ravine]

Cuz battleaxes do a big magic dmg hit, so make sure to send SR for the dr

With no cast time

[stiff inlet]

Battleaxes hurt lol

Thats what they do

[naive ravine]

In higher keys I will try opting into more magic dr since you cant rly kize in that area

[naive ravine]

Yeah cuz its magic dmg

[stiff inlet]

Ik

Still pain

[tribal wharf]

because i am an idiot and inevitably i will end up using it at a bad time

and brick the key

[naive ravine]

Fuking magic dmg

[tribal wharf]

this is just simply how things will happen

i just already know how these things will happen

[stiff inlet]

A druid i heal likes to pop it mid pull too

I faked out my dps a few times stopping to puzzle box before charge lol couple almost pulled

I swapped to heart because I forget to use it more often then not

[tribal wharf]

my reason im am slightly opposed to using it simply put, is because i would prefer to minimize risk

rather than increase it

its already increased danger by the fact that i exist in that key

[stiff inlet]

Lol

I feel that

[harsh trellis]

I think you need to start getting yourself out of that mindset. I've been seeing you say that stuff since dragonflight.

I think it would be healthier for you.My dude

I mean, you're enjoying the game, just like everybody else

[drowsy comet]

@sharp gale didnt your monk just reach lv90, how tf ur at 2300 rating already

[drowsy comet]

damn

[sharp gale]

idk i just do my key

i started at 214 ilvl

[drowsy comet]

i saw you in the dungeonfinder was like..damn this mofo is blasting

[daring marlin]

keys are easy

I was doing only 10s at 246+ on my dk

[tribal wharf]

hard for me to really complain should be 2500 if i didnt brick spires

really havent gone to reach, like, at all

like 4 or 5 attempts

[harsh trellis]

That is a fun key, just do it over and over and over again, you'll get it

[tribal wharf]

spires is i hate the 3rd and 4th boss lol

[stiff inlet]

Idk if your around later I can heal on for you on my resto

Im sure we can time it

If your US

[daring marlin]

People like to make the third and last boss harder than it needs to be

Kite boss through adds

cleanse dot

?????

[tribal wharf]

the main problem i have with 3rd boss is sometimes people dont stack for the fear correctly but whatever

[stiff inlet]

Thats not your fault tho

[naive ravine]

I did most of my 10s with 230 ilvl, only problem is getting into keys

[tribal wharf]

and then more than that its there is ogre and axe throw, and axe thrower doesnt move so im told to take everything to axe thrower and ogre needs a kick and aggroing

and you got like cave in during this and WW from boss so its really chaotic fight

feels like easy raid boss

[harsh trellis]

Why through adds

[tribal wharf]

i think there was some confusion if he hits the adds with his ww attack

my assumption is NO

[harsh trellis]

Yeah its no

Doesn't do anything to the adds

[tribal wharf]

bring boss to adds would simply be for +1 target