protection

[opal ledge]

what do you guys think about dropping best served cold and punish, instead of going 1 apex? (and something else like enduring alacrity)
this seems to be more damage and defenses than the 1 point apex build

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't do either of those things

1 apex is not a thing. What do you think you need to drop Punish and BSC for?

[harsh trellis]

You can look at raider i/o and you can see there are so many wars out there using the 1/4 apex.

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/facepalm-really-3

[harsh trellis]

and it feels really nice. ... sorry. it does lol

[opal ledge]

i get playing last stand, indom, and TaN feels nice.
but it seems that dropping BSC and Punish instead of going 1/4 will feel the same and give u more defense and damage

but maybe i'm getting something wrong idk

[warm plinth]

Why are you guys even here? Like genuinely.

What was the reason you joined the server

[harsh trellis]

I only play prot war

[warm plinth]

Right but playing prot warrior isn't a reason to join or participate in the server

[opal ledge]

cuz i play prot war and i like class discords?

[warm plinth]

What do you like about them

[harsh trellis]

Why not be part of the prot war channel

[warm plinth]

I'm just trying to understand the reason behind joining a resource like this when you would rather listen to data aggregation websites or feelycraft your talents.

[opal ledge]

i don't understand the point of that channel.
i like coming in a channel dedicated to prot warrior to discuss the class.

what is the reason you joined the server?

[warm plinth]

Anyone knowledgeable about the spec in this chanel is going to tell you not to do what you're doing. Except Nav, who we have already talked to about not doing what he's doing and he's decided to ignore it because it "feels good"

[harsh trellis]

it works better I dont know what to tell you

Just like back in tww when everyone was like just play colossus when thane was the suggested spec

and we played colossus and then it was so much better

[warm plinth]

That's not remotely the same thing

[opal ledge]

so you joined the server to do what people tell you to do?

[late trellis]

Progging lightbringer, there's certain times where I'm tanking bellamy + Senn and right when I'm getting shield of the righteous from bellamy, my spell reflect gets consumed by exorcism from senn

[lusty grotto]

yes that'll happen

[late trellis]

does spell reflecting last second prevent that? or is that not viable as a strategy?

[lusty grotto]

no, you just need to have your tank get senn agro

but you dont need to SR to survive the hit unless youre cheese parsing

[warm plinth]

I joined the server originally to get help from people smarter than me. I stayed in the server to help other people. But people like you and Nav don't want help. You want people to justify your bad decisions that you ignore all argument against. You guys might as well just start a group chat for prot warriors running shitty talents.

[harsh trellis]

Actually you have that wrong

[late trellis]

its been globaling me so far, that fight i just cant keep up ignore pain

[harsh trellis]

and this is just a waste of time really discussing this... you can try whatever you like Petri... but know "the Skyhold written in blood rules is to play 4/4 apex"

[lusty grotto]

did you try Walling?

this is mythic right?

[opal ledge]

but i asked a question: why a lot of people are playing 1/4 instead of dropping bsc and punish? it's a genuine question.
"you should use 4/4 and punish" is not an answer of my question, i'm not asking for the best build.

[warm plinth]

A lot of people aren't running 1/4 OR dropping BSC or Punish. A few people are.

[lusty grotto]

we've answered that questions way too many times Petri

[warm plinth]

A few =/= a lot

[lusty grotto]

high ranked people are trying out stuff, following beta builds, etc

[late trellis]

I can try to save wall, have been using for oh shit moments,

[lusty grotto]

the people under them are just copy pasting

theres not TC involved

it happens every single season

[late trellis]

this is what we were doing as far as taunt swap if it helps

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't, you reset wall cd with Anger Management - your walls are up every 50s with proper rage management

[late trellis]

oh I guess its too big of a message

[harsh trellis]

you just swap on the judgement

its a fun tank fight really

[late trellis]

so just wall every double?

[lusty grotto]

is it mythic?

[late trellis]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

then yeah sure

if you dont have wall just SR + Demo

[opal ledge]

my point is: why those people are dropping the 3 point instead of dropping punish?
is there a reason i'm missing?

i understand like "1/4 is more defensive/safe, 4/4 gives you a lot more dps like 15%"
this makes sense
but when i compare 1/4 to 4/4 with punish being dropped, it doesnt add up.
i can't figure out why

[lusty grotto]

or ask for an external

[warm plinth]

Neither option makes sense. That's my point.

[lusty grotto]

again, there's no TC involved, you'd have to ask them

[warm plinth]

Both of those scenarios are stupid decisions because you lose a lot for nothing.

[lusty grotto]

if there was TC involved we could answer you

as long as they are feelcraft picks we cannot

because they make absolute jack shit sense

[harsh trellis]

In all honesty, all I can say from swapping from 4/4 to 4/1 and I do run 4/4 in AA only is that the spec slows down when you go 4/4

[upbeat sable]

whats TC ?

[opal ledge]

thunder clap?

[warm plinth]

Theorycrafting

[lusty grotto]

why do top warriors go full versa? Only they know
why do top warriors use this trinket when skyhold says its horrible? Only they know
why do top warriors use no shield spec on keys? Only they know
Why do top warriors do not do x, do not use y, answer me i need to make sense of it! Sorry we cannot

rank 1 tanks have their own fan discords, you can ask them questions there

[coarse bay]

Why are Skyhold warriors cute? Only they know

[warm plinth]

[toxic pewter]

[lusty grotto]

kira, naowh, topicx, sense, plka are here as well, i wouldnt tell people to tag them to pester them but they are available

anyone under them is just copy pasting

thats about it

again it happens every season

[noble shoal]

Can anyone explain why this sim shows catalylzing legs as a big dps loss even though they are better stats? Is this a sim quirk or am I missing something? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gwXNinTx68J586t2CSdeDM

[lusty grotto]

but we can say as a fact that we've ran the numbers and ive put them here several times

[lusty grotto]

no thats accurate, its due to your stats

[noble shoal]

dr on haste/crit?

[lusty grotto]

get some hero gloves and run the sim again

off piece gloves

WS or Seat gloves + cata legs will very likely outsim what you have

i would ignore the sim results though

and only sim haste pieces

its not about DR

the sims do not account for haste's SB cd decrease

or rather, they do but since the bot is perfect it doesnt need to go for more haste to maintain it

so as a rule of thumb, do not sim pieces without haste

[noble shoal]

That's actually exactly what I was trying to sim - seat gloves + catalyst legs still show a dps loss which makes no sense https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kznNY3Sa7oHYHpukFkzYbZ

[lusty grotto]

read the rest of what i typed

and it does make sense

i just explained why

[noble shoal]

so it's about the sb cdr?

[warm plinth]

Haste falls off for DPS a lot sooner than you should actually stop stacking haste

[lusty grotto]

^

[warm plinth]

Like you shouldn't even be running Into the Fray right now with your haste

[lusty grotto]

also make sure you've read the pin

youre not supposed to run ITF if you do not have x amount of haste rating

[noble shoal]

ok let me read, ty

[lusty grotto]

also

3 min 5t

is not how we sim aoe

it should work but stick to 1:30

[noble shoal]

1:30 5t? makes sense

[lusty grotto]

its not a massive deal though since its just double the time

just a nitpick

[opal ledge]

do we still have TC on stat weight? is that still a thing?

[chilly brook]

huh?

[lusty grotto]

sure, but raidbots has it covered

there's really not much to theorycraft about

[warm plinth]

Stat weights have been obsolete for a very long time as a direct thing to aim for; they were never as good as an actual sim.

Some specs might have breakpoints that you need to either meet ASAP or avoid getting more of after a certain amount but that's usually due to some sort of mechanical interaction that has a significant impact on the stat's value after/before that point.

The only "breakpoint" we have is the haste requirement for ItF, and that's because you will have noticeable gaps in Shield Block uptime running ItF before that number.

[lusty grotto]

at least this season

like all expansions, at s3 we might mention a specific number to stop gearing haste

[noble shoal]

Ok so I read the pin about ITF and switched to HR - makes sense and I honestly just recently switched to ITF and have been feeling the SB uptime pain. Without ITF the sim basically shows it break even which is still surprising but I guess it kinda makes sense if haste falls off for dps. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rf9PWsRZAEB9KtfUcJ5GFX

[lusty grotto]

the pin does not have much to do with sims

like i said

do not sim pieces without haste

and as was said

[warm plinth]

Sim is assuming you have max stacks of ItF on a 5 target sim, so you basically lost 8% haste, which is why they're simming closer now (you lost a lot of haste, making haste more valuable for DPS)

[noble shoal]

makes sense

[lusty grotto]

equip the cata legs

thats the tl;dr

[noble shoal]

already done and upgraded the seat gloves to 6/6 😄

[opal ledge]

how much heart of wind affect SB uptime in a ITF build?

[warm plinth]

But yeah, focus on haste pieces til you hit the requirement for ItF, then you basically just sim and follow the sim unless it tells you to go below that number of haste

[late trellis]

one more q

[warm plinth]

Not much, and it wouldn't be something you'd ever take into consideration for that kind of decision-making since it's a proc.

[lusty grotto]

we usually dont calculate trinket contributions for SB uptime because they are unreliable - all you need to know is that HoW is 3ppm

and that its a good thing to have equipped

[late trellis]

after Senn (draenei) does her peace she comes back, and then the bdk needs to take bellamy out. but i cant taunt off senn becaus she goes into blinding light, and when that's done we have just done swaps for judgments

and if I aoe taunt it will grab bellamy back while hes dragging

[lusty grotto]

leap resets taunt cd

leap and taunt

read heroic leap's tooltip

very last line

[warm plinth]

Eyyy we met the expansion goal already

[lusty grotto]

reminder: this isnt new

[sharp gale]

First time I see taunt reset being useful, I’m gonna cry

[lusty grotto]

oh no ghash we've had a few mentions

[warm plinth]

Midnight Expansion goals:

• Remind or inform someone that Heroic Leap resets Taunt cooldown ✅

It's my favorite thing to tell people about prot warrior when it comes up because it's almost always a 🤯 moment

[late trellis]

that is insane haha never knew that

[lusty grotto]

happens every time in here

[late trellis]

vanguard specifically? or

[lusty grotto]

wdym

[late trellis]

the realizing its a taunt

reset

[lusty grotto]

thats not vanguard specific no

[warm plinth]

It comes up for some kind of scenario almost every season

Even if it's just some random one-off thing where it would've helped someone in a specific situation they ask about

[opal ledge]

i got haste for ITF but i think next week, it's very likely that i will get myth track gear with less haste with the bonus rolls

[lusty grotto]

well the catalyst exists

and literally every piece (except gloves and cloak) has haste from the catalyst

[late trellis]

yeah it completely fixed it

[opal ledge]

do we got a confirmation if we will be able to put shield to 298?

[lusty grotto]

we do not

if the PTR is still open it should be easy to confirm

[sharp gale]

I think it’s a later thing

[opal ledge]

i was planning to go skyreach to grab a shield with bonus roll... but maybe i should focus on other dungeons to get some haste gear, like mythic heart of wind, and the voidclaw gloves

[sharp gale]

12.0.7?

[lusty grotto]

wdym happy

ilvl increase on weapons is this next reset

[sharp gale]

The ilvl upgrade

It’s already this reset ?

[lusty grotto]

for weapons and trinkets, yes

[sharp gale]

I didn’t read this as it’s up this reset

[warm plinth]

I thought the bonus rolls were on launch and then the upgrades came later

[sharp gale]

We will know in two days so 🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

ask pash hes the master of tracking 12.0.5 changes

[coarse bay]

[sharp gale]

7am soon, go sleepy

[warm plinth]

It's midnight

😄

[undone beacon]

Hi im pash im the master of tracking 12.0.5 changes what is the question

[warm plinth]

Do the weapon/trinket upgrades and the bonus rolls release at the same time

[undone beacon]

The quest to unlock the upgrades should come once you've gotten the 6 voidcore quests needed to unlock the forge/rerolls

[lusty grotto]

we're currently at 5

[undone beacon]

Yep, next week is the 6th and with that the FORGE AWAKENS

Also thank goodness

[toxic pewter]

hell yeah congrats

[undone beacon]

did a 15 xenas and a 16 skreach with the same group

[coarse bay]

Did they have a pulse

[sharp gale]

We are talking about crafting the Ascendant Nilhammer not the Voidforge

Lore people, what is the voidforge and who tf is Decimus

[undone beacon]

They did and they were fun

[undone beacon]

Yeee I know, and im saying the nilhammer should unlock after you do the forge if everything is to be believed

[warm plinth]

Got my setup pretty well cleaned up the other day

[pallid quiver]

Lies; wow players don't have a pulse

[undone beacon]

Decimus is our voidstorm void friend who is gonna betray us but shes chill af rn

[sharp gale]

She is a she ?

[undone beacon]

did i say she

he she idk they dont have genitals

[warm plinth]

"shes chill af rn"

smh

[sharp gale]

She can be a she

[coarse bay]

Can we get someone to check for genitals

[sharp gale]

Who knows

[coarse bay]

Confirm

[warm plinth]

Pass

[pallid quiver]

my bad, i ate them

[coarse bay]

Happy didnt u say u needed to sleep

[undone beacon]

void dick

sorry

im a lil tipsy

[coarse bay]

Since youre still up go check decimussy

[undone beacon]

DECIMUSSY

[sharp gale]

I don’t think she will betray us a fourth time and become a raid/delve boss next patch

[lusty grotto]

dominos

[undone beacon]

i would give decimus a big ol smooch

[sharp gale]

I was talking to ppl where it’s midnight rn, im getting up

[lusty grotto]

its 1 am

eastern

[undone beacon]

yep

[lusty grotto]

its 12 in ghash time

or central

[coarse bay]

Its 10 in cool time

[undone beacon]

my job is in central time zone

its annoying

[warm plinth]

Yerp, 12:12am atm

[sharp gale]

7am is triple C, coffee+cigarette+croissant

[coarse bay]

Thats crazy

[lusty grotto]

damn

i got automodded

i added a c

[warm plinth]

Don't smoke cigarettes

[coarse bay]

Im not a smoker but do people smoke that early

[lusty grotto]

it went "dont forget.... lingus"

[coarse bay]

Lmao

[sharp gale]

cumulonimbus ?

Make it rain

[undone beacon]

colombus

[warm plinth]

I should go to bed but I'm not tired

[undone beacon]

i have chocolate whiskey

its good

[harsh trellis]

for an east coaster the best time to run keys is 1:30 am

[lusty grotto]

its actually in the morning

10 am, 11 am

very little odds of getting shit groups

[harsh trellis]

I mean thats my luck late at night

during the day its mostly OCE groups

[lusty grotto]

sure, but those are easy to avoid

[harsh trellis]

so there have been some that arent listing their groups as OCE

[warm plinth]

Late at night, sometimes the only thing there is to do is learn via song https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X7bWj115UwY

[harsh trellis]

and you dont find out till youre like. hey yall are lagging

[lusty grotto]

no you find out before by checking the lead's server

obviously doesnt work if youre oblivious to OCE server names

frostmourne being the biggest OCE realm

[slender bison]

With next patch we'll have the Lindormi glow on all key levels. Can we disable it?

[lusty grotto]

afaik its not on by default

but maybe i misread

[harsh trellis]

Thought it was the tank or group lead needs to turn it on

[undone beacon]

It shouldnt be on by default. The tank has to go to Lindormi in the timeways to enable it

[harsh trellis]

Looking forward to that

[slender bison]

It's gonna brick your keys, don't

[marble sundial]

yeah ive only done like 5 keys this season cause i really dont wanna learn the routes this season

itll be nice

[lusty grotto]

there are no routes this season

its press W

routes are for 17+

it has been press W in the vault key range since TWW S1

maybe even since DF

[marble sundial]

is there not 2 dungeons w/ captives you need to route to

regardless, i dont wanna learn it

[lusty grotto]

MC? lol

you just pick a side and press w

pit you just beeline to hostages

its very easy

anyone that say something like what you just said are under the impression we're doing SL or BFA keys, we're not

[fallow fern]

is the plume trinket that good? it doesnt sim as much of an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

it has been a press w thing since forever

[lusty grotto]

sure

its good, but you gotta sim both versions

[elfin elk]

What are people thinking of sending their first set of reroll tokens on next reset? I was thinking Chim makes the most sense given how contested Gaze is but am interested to hear what other people plan to do

[lusty grotto]

sure chim is a good pick

[toxic pewter]

Mythic chimaerus 100%

[elfin elk]

Was debating Seat for the gloves but the chances of that seem real bad

[toxic pewter]

No chance in hell I’m using these bonus rolls on gloves

Screw dat

[tame jasper]

I'm still wondering if the system will be retroactive in terms of: does ist recognize that you already have an item (ofc only if you have in inventroy/bank not sold/destroyed) and does it recognize set items where the boss drops tokens

[elfin elk]

Good questions

[ionic fern]

I'd doubt the retroactive part.

[elfin elk]

Idk if you've got the item equipped it might work that way

[ionic fern]

Blizz doesn't usually think about that stuff.

[tame jasper]

That's my concern too 🙁

[ionic fern]

But hey,maybe this time.

[elfin elk]

Hope dies last

[tame jasper]

You mean the AI thinks about it? 😄

[elfin elk]

And then I guess mythic Crown and Luura for the neck/ring

Altho that will take a while

[tame jasper]

Btw: any tips on handling a lot of Defenders on first pull left site in Nexus? The heal aborb of 4 defenders (lietrally the first three packs of 2 mobs) is insane

[elfin elk]

Can you only reroll once per kill?

[tame jasper]

As my guild is still only on 2/9 and continuosly wiping on Chim, I will spent them on Chim to upgrade Gaze from Hero To Mythic. Hope for the shild to dop (and win it other our heal shaman)

[lusty grotto]

have a good healer that knows what they are doing

[lusty grotto]

thats not how it works, you can't jump tracks

[frosty mango]

Yeah, for sure

[frosty mango]

Your options as a tank are

Trust your healer

Don’t pull them all

[tame jasper]

Hm? Not sure what you mean. I plan to spent rolls on Chim kills (when we get there) to get a Mythi Gaze (even that I have heroic one)

[lusty grotto]

ah

gotcha

i thought you were gonna do heroic chim for the trinket and "upgrade it" to myth track

which does not work

but yeah thats a good call

go for it

[tame jasper]

Would be nice if this was possible 😄

[ionic fern]

If only it were the good old days of ninja looting. Could get the trinket without issues first as a tank. 🙁

[lusty grotto]

[tame jasper]

Yeah, my guilds loot council also clearly states DPS first

as we slack ther, but not on tanks

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the norm

and it makes sense

so its been the norm for a while

[tame jasper]

on every item, including sets etc. dunno

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats how it has been

tanks typically do not need as many upgrades to survive encounters

but you do need geared dps

[ionic fern]

I hate that part in bad guilds tho. "Better give the bis trinket to the dps parsing greens".

[tame jasper]

Yeah, but it helps those who don't spent time in M+ etc do prepare

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah for sure, you dont give a green parser anything but the gkick

[ionic fern]

If only.

[lusty grotto]

oof thats rough

[ionic fern]

We do get shield drop prio,so that's good.

[lusty grotto]

let me guess... is it a UDK?

[ionic fern]

No,hunter.

It's always a hunter.

[lusty grotto]

lmao idk if thats worse or better

[ionic fern]

[proud marlin]

What do we think to stack for secondary statsif i wanna roll pvp prot

[lusty grotto]

we only stack haste

the rest is sim results

which is often crit

but if you pvp, then vers isn't really a bad fit

if that makes sense

[proud marlin]

ya vers is a no brainer but looing fo the other secondary stat that could best best or maybe just equal them out

[lusty grotto]

like i said, its haste

ilvl / str > haste

then whatever sims best

check in the pvp channel though, because this channel is for pve

[proud marlin]

100

[hasty crescent]

good morning guys. do we have some important macros fpr prot warri

[tame jasper]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-macros-addons

I would add a cancel BOP macro but maybe that's just me

[lusty grotto]

thats just you

[cerulean tusk]

If in doubt:
Go haste, then go for the one stat that you think is the most fun

Some like crit, others crit block

Always slap cancel BoP to everything

[lusty grotto]

ye

but still its not something that should go on the guides

[cerulean tusk]

It should tho, cause that issue happens the most in PuGs

[lusty grotto]

does it cat?

[cerulean tusk]

Lower key, the more likely the BoP is

You know this is true

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

its not

[cerulean tusk]

Yuh uh

It is

[lusty grotto]

lmao

idk what version of wow youre playing but bops just do not get casted at all

on anyone

even if the situation requires it

hell, freedom hardly gets casted - only now its being done thanks to the wowhead post

[cerulean tusk]

I spot em all the time

Followed by the

... Mb

[lusty grotto]

sure, in classic maybe

[cerulean tusk]

EU players are just better, they press buttons

[lusty grotto]

i guess

[cerulean tusk]

NA might not see it, cause ya dont press anything but the 1button macro

[lusty grotto]

perhaps

[cerulean tusk]

Hekili doesnt support BoP

[lusty grotto]

proof that you only need 1button to win RWF

for 4 straight seasons too

[cerulean tusk]

1 button macro, with a splash of direct dev support, a dash of perfectly timed game tuning and a light dryss of a time gate advantage

[lusty grotto]

sounds like EU cant take the L

aight im going for sure now

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds like NA gotta cheat to win

[drowsy comet]

Go to sleep old man, ur speaking nonsense again

[cerulean tusk]

Surely

[lusty grotto]

who did the cheat.lua thing again in amirdrassil?

oh wait it wasnt NA

[drowsy comet]

rwf was a shitshow anyway who cares

[drowsy comet]

liquid uses every little workaround they can, they legit cant play legit tho, but Nim would defend that anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Doesnt need to script, when devs are the ones scripting the game for your team to win

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mad-patrik-string9-KNHIcayHF4y2ftBPa2

Nim be like

yo imagine playing your tank without any bad thoughts, wondering why your damage seems quite low, you take a look in the class sheet and see this. Holy shit

This dude must felt so terrible and embarrased

[sweet summit]

What Are bis trinkets for m+

[slender bison]

Ancient hunger + Gaze

Even hero versions are better than garbage myth+ pool trinkets

[drowsy comet]

Dreamrift Trinkets, Heart of Wind id also suggest, Solarflare if you dont get any raid trinkets, and ofc puzzlebox

[quiet matrix]

Heart of Wind is not too bad as well

[mystic vale]

is there an easy way to do heroic paladins and the tank swap?

[feral spire]

anyone have an idea if it's a good trinket?

[jagged pier]

Yer taunt during judgement/ your a warrior u can sr so u only need to swap on 1 anyway

[mystic vale]

how does spell reflect help

[pearl zinc]

beep beep i have a weird prot warrior question

unfort i didnt log

but how much can you expect prot to reasonably do in a 10 key

[jagged pier]

Because u take no damage from sotr

So theres no need to swap the boss

[mystic vale]

is this from Bellamy

[jagged pier]

Ither that does sotr i believe

[dry skiff]

i need Heavy Handed talent, what do i sacrifice ?
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maybe ravager ?

[jagged pier]

No u dont because execute hits for less than revenge so u dont press it in aoe at all

[harsh trellis]

Get mythic tier gloves, then run seat the heroic gloves will drop.

[cerulean tusk]

Execute should be a bound value of (total rev%ap)*6

Remove the cleave talent

[fringe mural]

This simmed really bad for me

it looks good but apparently it doesn't proc often enough to be good

[elfin elk]

Afraid to say Ive already dropped the seat gloves twice

even at 6/6 myth the tier gloves are basically a sidegrade for dam

[fringe mural]

the str trinket with the secondary proc is better if you use delve/open world trinkets

Glorious Crusader's Keepsake

M+ and raid trinkets are better mostly but that one is alright

[dry skiff]

even if it's a free proc ?

ooow i just hovered over the talent and i dont think it's free anymore

[unique axle]

i might be missing something but i completely removed execute from my keybinds

why is blizzard buffing/not nerfing the broken classes in 12.0.5

wth

[daring marlin]

what are you boys rolling tokens on next week?

I simply cannot decide!

[paper stone]

how do I find actually good talents for M+ ? When I check raider io and import what tne top warriors supposedly use, it seems broken, like they dont take intervene but use storm shield ?

it then shows up as red ofc, so must be broken imports or do they truly use this ?

[blazing shuttle]

They don’t want the extra 10s on storm bolt

[drowsy comet]

helps alot with haste, and it does procc quite often tho

[tribal wharf]

https://youtu.be/NL1skCcFuEg?si=tgVgCxyZ_jovE4j0 bit of a surprise video for everyone , not overly

i ran 10 mt, first part of the video isi was skimming my footage for "aggro was all over the place" according to healer

i have a 10 spires also i ran that failed to time, but i was hoping i could run it before reset and have succesful of it as well

[drowsy comet]

10s with pugs are absolute crazy sometimes

[tribal wharf]

meant to show entire process of how im finding a group and everything, so if i run say pit of saron for 14th time, i wont upload those, mostly, progression as i call it

[tardy tendon]

morning -- my guild is working its way through heroic crown, our raid roster (2/3/6, no DK, only 4 ranged -- yeah, it's very rough while we build the roster) not making it any easier -- my question is during P2, is it normal for tanks to be hit with "Ranger Captain's Mark" very often? or is this a result due to a small raid group.

[uneven snow]

is there a bug with logging shield charges? it always shows me using it 2-3 times per run but i know i use it way more often

[coarse bay]

Yes

[coarse bay]

Afaik it’s random and because you have a small group

[coarse bay]

To be more specific, I believe it only reads ones where you actually charge, any you cast in melee distance dont get read

[coarse bay]

Icyveins build is suggested

Not sure if the imports are broken on raider io or not, but generally just copying top logs builds for tanks doesnt translate to most people’s situation.

And in terms of intervene, most people dont take it

It has very niche uses, and this season pretty much none

[warm plinth]

Morning degens

[coarse bay]

Good morning

[paper stone]

fuck I will just macro ignore pain to TC because it makes my life miserable to have it on separate button that I almost always spam anyway

[harsh trellis]

noo

[paper stone]

why monk has all defense built in dmg roation but we have to spam so many buttons

[harsh trellis]

lol

[paper stone]

I dont care what you think I am doing it because otherwise I iwll never touch warrior agian

[harsh trellis]

And that is perfectly ok. But if you make your Health and Rage bar something you can see all the time. Just hit shield block and then when you get to 70% dump rage into ip

[harsh trellis]

clean, what is that bar?

[paper stone]

and I still fucking hate it

pressing 5

:d

bottom bar is rage

[harsh trellis]

What addon is that for the health bar?

[paper stone]

Enhanced QOL

[harsh trellis]

cool

So hey.... if you arent having fun on the prot war, have you played brewmaster?

[paper stone]

yeah I do play brew which is why I am having such hard time playing prot now

[tribal wharf]

my new rule for addons is if it uses more than 1.5% of cpu and it doesnt do something important it gete deleted

[paper stone]

I do play brew, guardian and prot

prot is by far the most spammy

my hands hurt lol

[tribal wharf]

rather have the game run as free as possible, not that my pc is sucks, but just i'm done iwth the lagging out lol

[paper stone]

cool

check this out

[harsh trellis]

btw you ever have that invite bug where people suggest an invite and you cant invite them?

[tribal wharf]

this is the main addon i want

[harsh trellis]

what is that yogi?

[tribal wharf]

but i can never figure out what its called, have something similiar to it

beluar uses it in all his videos, and i sort of wish that the image i posted, was the quest log

[violet elm]

This happens to me and I don't know if its because an addon. BugSuck doesn't recieve any error when happens :S

[harsh trellis]

world quest tracker

delete that garbage

[tribal wharf]

on a parchment of paper with tears in the edge like its rolled up

[paper stone]

Dialogue UI

[violet elm]

I will check if I still have it. Thanks!

[paper stone]

Enhance QOL is the most customizable and the most efficient UI addon ever

[tribal wharf]

i went looking for the one i posted, and i found this

which isnt BAD

its certianly an improvement over base ui

[paper stone]

this is it, this makes my life so much easier.

#showtooltip Thunder Clap
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Thunder Clap
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

I dont care if its suboptimal

one less button to press

[paper stone]

I literally gave you exact addon name lol

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dialogueui

but I personally cant stand it so I dont use it, why the heck would I want customized quest frame it adds nothing to my experience, I prefer everything native 🙂

[tribal wharf]

ye, no i hear you, just this addon i showed, i tried to find the one you posted just now and failed to do so, and i had one i posted for like, i dunno 2 or 3 weeks feels like

its that i dislike the base ui, quest log

works in classic

[paper stone]

which buffs do you guys track on cdm buff tracker ?

[harsh trellis]

You know you can make the rotation less spammy by not spamming ip

[paper stone]

:d

during fights I have SO MUCH rage that I do

irl and also in game

[tribal wharf]

more SB, more IP, more execute (in st dmg) in that priority

revenge is a bit meh for DUMP EET

like, there is a pretty strong chance you might have a free revenge anyways, so that wasted GCD almost if its not refreshing SS

[paper stone]

wdym more SB, it has a cooldown and yeah it often happens im out of SB coz it has 4 seconds CD left :d

[tribal wharf]

SB spends rage

its the first thing you want to spend rage on

to block attacks and increase SS dmg

and is nessecary to survive content

[winged zenith]

They nerfed Skyreach last boss reflect

[paper stone]

yeah I get it but its not like I can cast more of them anyway

[winged zenith]

We GG

Only 600k damage reflect now

[tribal wharf]

ya, and if you have it up, you can go to spending it on IP

which you can have 2 stacks of, but its you send IP for dump rage

until execute phase, and thats you only hit execute if its 1 target

so, if your SB is going to fall, it takes priority, and you cast SB

[daring marlin]

Lmfao

This was hysterical to read

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[tribal wharf]

HE WILL LEARN

I made a reasonable rational attempt to explain about what he said about rage spending though

[daring marlin]

that apb guy hammers keys so much

dedication

[toxic pewter]

got 17 resil

[daring marlin]

pog

[toxic pewter]

i will get 18 resil next

[harsh trellis]

grats

[toxic pewter]

ty

the issue now is jsut getting into groups

[daring marlin]

I don't have that much time bro lol

[toxic pewter]

i guess ill have to mak my own keys

[harsh trellis]

got 3 more for 15 resi, 17 is my goal for the season

[daring marlin]

Menu boss rough

[toxic pewter]

yeah its pretty gross how much i play tbh

lmao

[daring marlin]

17AA felt pretty easy so I'm confident I'll get all 17 resil too

but

Pugging as not devo/udk/aug/demo seems terrible

I genuinely don't get invites and have to make my own key

[toxic pewter]

i did a 17 nexus last night with me prot warr,mw,sub rogue, feral druid, aug and it surprised me how smooth it went lol

[harsh trellis]

npx is my unicorn atm

[toxic pewter]

rogue is actually really good imo

[harsh trellis]

its that left side

its so bad

[daring marlin]

pally/monk helps a lot there

that AoE dot/slow is brutal

[toxic pewter]

yah left side is punishing

[harsh trellis]

im sitting here workin on what I want to do for pulls

https://threechest.io?id=v5DlmGOxxKG

[toxic pewter]

I basically do this. pull 5 is basically all chained

i lust first room

[harsh trellis]

so youre takin it slower down that left side

Im gonna do that

[toxic pewter]

well 2 and 3 basically the same

same pull

[daring marlin]

Battery hp should be cut in half

cringe ass mechanic

[toxic pewter]

be sure stun the engineers as they die dont drop exploding battery

[toxic pewter]

honestly, imo, thers no shame to take it a bit slow especially when fighting many defnders that heal null sunder they do is no joke

like not giga slow but just meticulous

can make up the time on the right side

right side basically all 1 giant chain

i redrew what i do

that basically what I do

but pull 5 need to go slow cuz 3 defenders at first need to be careful

[tribal wharf]

works for keys?

only mentions raid

[drowsy comet]

interesting choice

[tribal wharf]

i know for fact one of the paths is 100% blocked off

[drowsy comet]

i know that pugs will make this a literal nightmare

[tribal wharf]

theres a beam that covers 99.95% of the path, maybe you can gatte over it some shit? i dunno

[toxic pewter]

can get rogue or engineer to get rid of blockages

[tribal wharf]

well im an engineer in warcraft

not in real life

[toxic pewter]

same lol

if i could go back in time i would swap it

[tribal wharf]

i've never heard of that thing before but im sure i could go and look for it

doubt itd be that hard to find

[toxic pewter]

yah approach those pink lines and then click it

then click the dialogue box

and it deactivates the stun line thing

its nice to make more space

[ornate palm]

I’m engineering, but as the tank if I try to take the 3 seconds to disable them it’s instant flame.

[toxic pewter]

yah ngl its more..... annoying to try and do it as tank

honestly dont even need to do it

but yeah it can trigger the party

[delicate patio]

How good is wrecking throw for mythic plus?

[ornate palm]

Biggest issue on that left side is still pugs not understanding the difference between “meticulous” and slow.

[toxic pewter]

basically always taken these days with javelineer

[delicate patio]

oh it can silence!

[toxic pewter]

Yes

plus there are a few absorb shields around

[ornate palm]

It honestly feels like almost no one other than me actually knows what those mobs do, and why they are dangerous.

They just see defenders and think they only do white melee hits, so why aren’t you pulling every single one?

[toxic pewter]

yeah ngl defenders are very deadly

i got to 12 stacks last night by accident LOL

shit was not ideal

[ornate palm]

For real. Null Sunder + transference = Bad time guaranteed.

Not to mention the null sender stacks and it isn’t like the bleeds where it drops off after 2 seconds.

[ornate palm]

I remember early on running it with a guild healer and he couldn’t figure out why he was dumping heals on me and nothing was happening.

12 stacks will do that to ya. 😂

Ngl, I do spec into last stand for that dungeon. I still rotate SW like I normally would, but it really helps clear out some of the absorb before it can get out of hand.

[drowsy comet]

i died only once as tank, because of a silly mistake but THIS is just.. insane

[toxic pewter]

dang 18 deaths is rough but at least u timed it

[harsh trellis]

I wont do this key w/o a lock

[drowsy comet]

my ass carried 4 monkeys, the healer was about to crash out on that Paladin, Pala ALWAYS damaged the mobs before I was pulling, then SHOCKED PIKACHU FACE when he died 6 times. Like brother...

tho I still need to figure out how to generate more Rage, cuz sometimes I have massive issues to generate enough, idk what im doing wrong

[drowsy comet]

the portal skip on the stairs near last boss? yea that would have saved us 2 mins

[cold pilot]

which plume would be better mastery or crit?

[ornate palm]

That’s bad. You shouldn’t need skips for that place. Just a DPS who isn’t dying needlessly 6 times works.

[ionic fern]

Depends on your stas. Simyourself.

[drowsy comet]

I wish...

if you play meta, I expect you to know what you´re doing. Imma be honest

[harsh trellis]

Why though when you can skip and save time

its just playing smarter

[drowsy comet]

maybe I should play ppal for the battle res

[toxic pewter]

nah just use

[cold pilot]

So I've never simmed items that werent in my bag before, I assume I did this correctly?

[drowsy comet]

[drowsy comet]

looks like theres no difference between lowrank / max rank

[toxic pewter]

has a cast time, gold rank is quicker

[ornate palm]

I’m not disagreeing there. I mostly PUG so I try to minimize as much communication as possible and keep it as straightforward as possible.

[drowsy comet]

ahh

[ornate palm]

This is a me problem but I have very little trust in every PUG I run with.

[drowsy comet]

and mass ping a mob

[ornate palm]

I don’t even trust pings.

[drowsy comet]

oof

[ornate palm]

Who here has hit the haste threshold and swapped to ITF?

[toxic pewter]

me

i got giga haste tbh

[ornate palm]

How much?

[toxic pewter]

1220 before haste flask and oil

end up with lik 1400 haste

prob too much perhaps but i can tinker with stats later

[ornate palm]

Is it a notable difference in DPS?

[toxic pewter]

yah itf is like 4500 more dps or something for me last i checked

or something like that

that may of been with a crit flask instead of a haste flask though i cant remember for sure. i think with haste flask it was like 3000 more dps or something like that

i play around with the flasks to see what i like best

[drowsy comet]

what the fuck

whats ur ilvl

[toxic pewter]

basically every item i have has haste on it

[drowsy comet]

bro gets bitches i can definetly tell

holy

[ornate palm]

I’m close. I’m sitting at almost 1300, but that’s with flask and oil.

[drowsy comet]

my ass is at 700

[toxic pewter]

yeah im still not totally sure how much haste i want after 1188

like i feel like its personal preferance around that

[drowsy comet]

go for 2000 haste

[ornate palm]

The crown neck piece really boosted my haste up in a big way.

[drowsy comet]

and be faster than a brew

[toxic pewter]

lol hell yeah

[ornate palm]

I feel like such a badass with the crown neck and the shadow damage gloves from seat combo. As long as I don’t look at the logs and see the actual contribution from them…

[cold pilot]

Guys I'm almost full bis, be proud of me

[ornate palm]

Awesome. Now go forth and pump.

[toxic pewter]

grats!

[cold pilot]

❤️

I'm making a smell section of my bags dedicated to items I have that people want that I don't use anymore.

[drowsy comet]

nice

[warm plinth]

You're bis in my ❤️

[cold pilot]

holy shit best comment I could have asked for. ❤️

[drowsy comet]

[placid raft]

I`m eager to test tanking with the new colossus buff so we can spamm more smashes

[ornate palm]

Wait, did I miss the eternal void neck no longer being BIS?

[cold pilot]

its veteren

Should I still wear it?

it sims lower

[ornate palm]

Oh I got ya now.

[drowsy comet]

man vampire survivors is fucking addicting lmao, jesus i feel like playing an arcade game in the 80s

[harsh trellis]

Here is my route https://keystone.guru/route/magisters-terrace/aX96y0y/magisters-terrace/1 100% I tell pug dps I dont need help with the route

just make sure you have a warlock

[toxic pewter]

just got into another argument in a key man these dps are relentleess this season harassing tanks

[alpine forum]

I rerolled tank war for my guild. Gonna be going into mythic dragons this week and also looking to do higher m+.

Having a lot of confusion with gearing. I have crafted sword first with hunt and crit haste on it. I am a bit lost for next craft. Shield supposedly is fetchable from mythic so I was thinking ring or wrists. Anyone who can help me would be appreciated.

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Blinkblock

People telling me go haste vers for higher content although all guides still say haste crit.

[coarse bay]

Who are these people?

[stiff inlet]

is there a haste point you slow down maxing haste and go into the other stats?

[coarse bay]

No, haste is always good

[cold pilot]

you can craft 4 pieces. The order I went was: Sword, Wrists, Shield, Back

[slender bison]

It's season 1 so the answer is NO

[slender bison]

Maybe get versatility if you're doing 17s-18s

[coarse bay]

Once you get 1188, you can switch to ITF if youre comfortable keeping up SB with that much haste, then you can choose to get more stats based on sims

[harsh trellis]

Haste Vers is better the higher keys you go

[alpine forum]

Thank you man.

[cold pilot]

I also don't use hunt

[slender bison]

Except that order is wrong. Always craft shield first

[alpine forum]

Thanks!

[coarse bay]

We don’t just “get” vers btw

[daring marlin]

mfs advocating vers lol

feelycrafting

[coarse bay]

There isnt a way to get enough vers for it to be taken as a defensive stat

You should focus haste, sim the rest. Usually leans crit

[alpine forum]

I will try and get shield from imperator. If it doesn’t drop I will craft one

[coarse bay]

Always craft shield first unless you expect to be able to get a myth one, which he does

[slender bison]

Right

[stiff inlet]

so flasked i hit the 1188 #, as i do keys/raid with flasks i should then work on swaping to itf

i dont usually have an uptime issue with block

[outer willow]

Guys, is there any 5 minute way to get 2 crests? like some dumb quest I haven't done that you all know about?

[stiff inlet]

11 delve would be the closest

[outer willow]

Hmm. Alright. Suppose i'll do my 10s. Thanks Ryan!

[alpine forum]

Also why are some top m+ prot warriors going haste mastery on all gear? Feels extremely counterintuitive.

[cold pilot]

did you kill the delve boss?

[outer willow]

I did not.

[coarse bay]

Mastery isn't bad, they are likely simming

[cold pilot]

there's your 5m way

[outer willow]

fuck yes.

ty

[alpine forum]

Are we simming dmg?

[coarse bay]

yes

[harsh trellis]

always

[alpine forum]

Thank you so much

[coarse bay]

every stat has a defensive component as well as offensive

[ornate palm]

And they nearly 100% will offer unsolicited advice on their “pro” routes.

[slender bison]

Its 2026 and parry is still a RNG mess. The mobs in Skyreach get 10 stacks in 3 GCDs.

We should have a parry cooldown and be done with it

[harsh trellis]

9 times out of 10 its just pressing w

when you need to save time on pulls you can get really specific with pulls

[daring marlin]

That...wouldn't solve anything lmfao

[slender bison]

Give me 50% parry on a CD and thats it. At least 50-50

[coarse bay]

[daring marlin]

bro wants another still rng cd

play bdk

[coarse bay]

we dont rely on parry btw

[warm plinth]

We already parry a lot so idk

[ornate palm]

This is a big press w dungeon pool season.

[slender bison]

So they can fix the damn kiting already. The motherlode orc boss bleed was notorious

[daring marlin]

you can have your parry on cd thrn

[warm plinth]

I feel like you're overreacting to something that isn't that big of a deal tbh

[daring marlin]

100%

[warm plinth]

If we were kiting non-stop, sure, I'd be with you. But having to kite to reset a bleed here and there is hardly a problem

[slender bison]

Nobody is having fun on the 1st pull of AA because we cant parry bleeds with the exception of dodge tanks

[daring marlin]

bring a paladin and a dragon and be a dwarf

[warm plinth]

If anything it's a thing Blizzard should change from a dungeon design perspective, not from a rework an entire mechanic that's existed for over 20 years perspective.

[daring marlin]

easy solve

[slender bison]

@warm plinth i know you're a wow boomer that wants tanks to suffer so they can "feel" something, but kiting is anti-fun for everyone, DPS included

[ornate palm]

I enjoy it now that I’ve got it figured out. I just get to enjoy the show and see if everyone else can do it.

[coarse bay]

youre blaming the wrong thing lmao

[daring marlin]

???? Are you ok lil guy?

[coarse bay]

he's right, remove or change the bleed

[daring marlin]

Skill issue. Learn to build a group.

[cold pilot]

is there any negative to binding shield block and shield slam to the same button?

[warm plinth]

You don't know anything

If you did, you would know I am absolutely not that person lol. I never said kiting was fun, and I even said that Blizzard should change it from a dungeon design perspective. I'm not the clown wanting a fundamental tank mechanic completely reworked so they don't have to kite a single bleed in a single dungeon.

[warm plinth]

Yes

[daring marlin]

I'm curious. How many of these "muh dot in AA" people are non dwarf, don't have a cancelaura bop macro or don't invite augvokers?

[warm plinth]

You will be using Shield Block when you don't need or want to use Shield Block, e.g. at the end of a pull, which will affect your effective uptime.

[ornate palm]

It’s literally the only pull where you “have” to kite this season. And barely at that.

[daring marlin]

like the tools are there to nullify this garbage

[warm plinth]

Yeah, he's being ridiculous. Like I 100% understand getting frustrated at a mechanic, but blaming how parry works for the mechanic being dumb is crazy, and insulting me because I disagree that they should rework parry so he doesn't have to kite a bleed is even crazier.

[ornate palm]

Agreed.

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-looking-for-directions-navigate-is-lost-gif-11835765

[ornate palm]

Skyreach bleed can be solved with stuns.

[tribal wharf]

oops i included doom

the focus obviusly is i can portal to new dungeon

[warm plinth]

We'd be concerned if you didn't include doom yogi

[tribal wharf]

i'm like the Alex Jones of protection warrior!

i got an appearance to keep up here

[brisk juniper]

Guess who dinged 90 this week and did 20 dungeons and 50 delves to cap hero crests and hit 271 to me myth raid ready for Tuesday on pwar

How the fuck do I play this class help

[tribal wharf]

make rage, spend rage

dont die

[brisk juniper]

Be mad always or something

[tribal wharf]

not out of control mad

just mad

[cold pilot]

I just had the funniest interaction in a key.. So I have bis trinkets and I was doing 10 WRS cause it's quick and couldnt find Skyreach. Obviously the trinket drops and these dudes WITHOUT SAYING A WORD start opening trade with me and telling me to give it to them. So naturally I leave the group and offer to sell it to them because I didn't appreciate them expecting me to just give it to them without a roll. Then they told me they were going to report me.. for not giving them MY LOOT lol

[brisk juniper]

For context I'm a pretty good VDH, I have orange parses on every boss I've killed on it... how do we damage optimize on pwar

Is it about micro managing rage

[outer willow]

honestly that's pretty dick of them

why are people so quick to report?

[brisk juniper]

Cause it's easy. And it's free

[outer willow]

Why not say "That's against the TOS."

[outer willow]

you know what else is easy and free other thank @solid sun ? Being kind.

[outer willow]

yoink

[tribal wharf]

god, im so glad i hardly ever get these ppl in my whispers

[unborn plover]

hi please I need help

What do you use to better diosplay the debuff stack of your off tank ?
Using him as focus, its poluted with all his buff

[tribal wharf]

and typically even if you do whisper my something, very likely i even open it

[pastel summit]

Because they can and it's their only way to feel some control over the situation.

[tribal wharf]

often i just close the new whisper tab

dont even read it

[pastel summit]

Basically every report other than verbal when applicable is thrown into the trash.

[brisk juniper]

You make your raid frames real big and ask your raidlead to always put him in the same spot

That's what I do

[pastel summit]

Also the automated behavior warning is just triggered after x reports, regardless of validity. They don't do anything.

[brisk juniper]

So we're still playing thane rn right? Is that changing tuesday

[tribal wharf]

there was changes proposed

now they went back to how it was before

[cold pilot]

Imagine thinking selling an item you win in a dungeon that you didn't even roll on is a reportable offense.

[tribal wharf]

so nothing really changed about thane, but whats interesting and up for debate is col is getting basically CDR

[unborn plover]

i see;

i miss wa so much

[tribal wharf]

dk just mad he cant afford price u are asking lol

and or probably REALLY wants the item

cuz if he really had the gold to buy it, he would just warbound his gold

[brisk juniper]

Or... you know. Use your push to talk and talk to your tank

[tribal wharf]

and buy it

[vital stirrup]

if you are using dbm you can make it show your co tanks debuffs and you can move where you want it

[daring marlin]

you're cooked brother

COUNT YOUR DAYS

HIS DAD IS JOHN BLIZZARD

[cold pilot]

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[tribal wharf]

IF I EVER CATCH U SELLING A DUNGEON LOOT AGAIN

UR DAYS ARE NUMBERED BOY

LAW WILL COME 4 U

[cold pilot]

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[vocal owl]

What is the best off pice?

[brisk juniper]

So we still thanegang

What about the bonus rolls what dungeon are you guys using ur shit in

[daring marlin]

No clue actually

[tribal wharf]

likely still thane its more rage and 1 less button, but its not really all that different

[daring marlin]

maybe Seat to try for gloves

[tribal wharf]

focus switches from hit TC/TB to hit revenge

[daring marlin]

lots of options of stuff to convert too

[vital stirrup]

i dont have myth weapon/shield so gonna go for skyreach most likely

[daring marlin]

fill out mythic track slots

[alpine forum]

As a fellow dinged 90 guy this week, keep shield block up, keep thunder / slam on cooldown and spend rage on ignore pain, healing yourself or revenging things when you don’t care about inc dmg.

That’s where my understanding is at atm

Also cds. Pop em

[candid lark]

I aksed about this last night and according to Archi - Col and Thane are about equal ~600 dps delta and same surviability - which is pretty awesome IMO

[tribal wharf]

thats gunna be i think 2 mor 10s now and i will have 3 myth to choose

i think

yes, 2 more

[stiff inlet]

i dont know why im so bad at nexus point lol

[tribal wharf]

well, tell us of your troubles with it

key level and what occured out of nromal

[stiff inlet]

i mean i feel i get crushed more there then most places

[trim bay]

You get a healing absorb put on you in the left wing

Defenders I think put it on. You can reflect it and reset

[stiff inlet]

looking back through had a DK and warlock with 12 combined kicks

that explains some

[trim bay]

You should lust the first pull on the LHS

Right side is easy

[stiff inlet]

people were getting crushed blaming aggro but i had everyone, but it looks like it was casts

[tribal wharf]

its a key i also have not yet attempted on a 10, but i have sucesfully ran it as a +8

i was considering attempting it on 10

[stiff inlet]

it was a 14, we alos had 3 deaths because as we flew after the first boss the lorathan pulled

and crushed the healer and a dps before i landed

[daring marlin]

you don't just pull everything in the first room and lust?

seems a lot more effective for lust

[stiff inlet]

i usually do the 2 sets of 2, then the 2 engi, and the 3 pack on the Left

[brisk juniper]

Oh is stance dancing worth rn

[harsh trellis]

NPX is a shit key at higher levels

the left side is the worst

and You can lust either the 2 big pack pull down the stairs

or

You can pull the 2 small things, and then pull down the left side and use lust as well with the mana batteries

[stiff inlet]

we did fine on the left, the fly back from the first boss glitched and pulled, the nthe DK got killed 3 times to random shit he said it was aggro but im pretty sure it was casts getting off

[harsh trellis]

but the thing there is you have to blast the batteries before you pull more

[daring marlin]

you talking like 18s? Not that bad in 16/17

[harsh trellis]

its bad in a 15 even

lol

[daring marlin]

just don't overpull left side

I don't agree

[harsh trellis]

Thats fine

[brisk juniper]

I got my shit rocked in an 11 before I knew

[harsh trellis]

yeah I find pulling smaller works better than having people die and run back. And in a 14 or 15 its the end of the key

[brisk juniper]

Btw I'm not home rn, is stance dancing off gcd or nah

My guess would be nah

[harsh trellis]

we dont stance dance anymore

[brisk juniper]

Not worth or you cant

[harsh trellis]

not worth it

[tribal wharf]

defensive stance is over powered for us now

basicalyl what it is

[brisk juniper]

How much not worth it

[tribal wharf]

bigly in terms of defensive

[brisk juniper]

I'm a demon hunter main. I'll sell my kidney for a .1% dps increase

[harsh trellis]

ohhh

now, being a DH main

ping all over discord where you want us to pull

like ping because we arent pulling everything you think we should pull

[brisk juniper]

Vdh main, I do the pulling lol

[harsh trellis]

then also... GO all out on the last boss of seat right off the rip and die to the beam

[tribal wharf]

ping as tank or healer is really powerful when used right

i just do the basic 1 tap ping on EVERYTHING

never do the omw

[harsh trellis]

I played VDH when they were awesome in TWW as an alt.

it was fun

[brisk juniper]

I'm just now bringing this fresh pwar into mythic raid and I gotta perform

Digging for all the information and intricacies I can

Tryna find the micro, ya know

[coarse bay]

it doesnt

[harsh trellis]

I think the main racial to get is dark iron dwarf

oh

they deleted it

[brisk juniper]

What doesn't

[coarse bay]

the person asking if factions mattered for cutoffs

the answer is only region matters

[brisk juniper]

Oh

[coarse bay]

but alas

[tribal wharf]

so, nobody runs nexus as going left?

[coarse bay]

going left is the standard afaik

[tribal wharf]

cuz its not convoluted like caverns

so it wont be a point of contention if i have to go right

oh, ya, im thinking about 10s, and lust timings

[daring marlin]

I like going left as you can tell if the run is cooked or not asap

[harsh trellis]

Thats basically it

if you make it down the left side no deaths... you will time the key

provided nobody intentially kills it

[daring marlin]

Optimized I'd prolly lust everything in the first room, go right and lust early left side.

[harsh trellis]

thats not a bad idea

[daring marlin]

Lusting damage amp boss always feels like a waste and you almost barely get a third lust if you do it there

But most of my pug groups do that anyway

[toxic pewter]

just did my first 18

33 sec left on the timer windrunner spire

[harsh trellis]

heck yeah

winnins winnin

[toxic pewter]

ngl

18 felt decently harder than 17

felt like i took a lot more dam

[harsh trellis]

I mean what is this week 2?

3?

[toxic pewter]

something like that lol

[brisk juniper]

I go left

You go left so you can lust the damage amp on right

[daring marlin]

see? lmfao

make it make sense

[brisk juniper]

Lust first pull and lust the damage amp. Then you have lust for last boss if you're behind

[brisk juniper]

Make what make sense

[toxic pewter]

every time i lusted damage amp i never got a 3rd lust

[brisk juniper]

You send large CDs on the triple pull before boss and then you have 2 packs and 30 seconds of boss for the 2 minutes of reset and your big cds line up with that 10 seconds window

[brisk juniper]

Then you're fast

[daring marlin]

Exactly

[toxic pewter]

i actually prefer lusting a bit before 2nd boss with a big pull

but everyone says thats wrong

[brisk juniper]

Or you're too slow either one

[toxic pewter]

but it basically gurantees 3rd boss lust

3rd boss not hard but just speeds it up

the 2nd boss does have giga amount of hp tho

its tough call i guess

[coarse bay]

lusting bosses is usually not good value unless you are pulling a pack or 2 onto it

and grats on 18 apb

[toxic pewter]

ty so much

used a lot of ur advice in there

(windrunner spire)

[coarse bay]

❤️

[brisk juniper]

Lust on the amp us just the greatest value lust in the key, and it's easy to force it.

[toxic pewter]

pulled those adds before bird boss a bit sooner

and other things

[coarse bay]

hell ya

[daring marlin]

"It's biggest value cuz I said so"

"Even if it means I have no third lust!!!"

[toxic pewter]

I mean in my head 3 lust better than 2

but tbf i dont know the maths

[tribal wharf]

i dont understand your wording lol

[coarse bay]

lust is usually used to reduce pull count in a dungeon by combining packs into an otherwise impossible or difficult pull

[tribal wharf]

like first pull?

[coarse bay]

boss lusts are usually lowest value

not always, but usually

[daring marlin]

I still think best value would be lusting first room, going right then lusting left side.

idgaf

[tribal wharf]

basically a requirement on final boss

its stupid not to

[toxic pewter]

oh interesting

[daring marlin]

Only downside is you spend more time in the dungeon only for someone to goof up the only hard part of the place

The left side trash

[coarse bay]

the first left side pull is very dangerous, there's an argument of making that first lust pull as well

[brisk juniper]

What pack are you lusting on the left tho

If you're gonna lust you gotta bring more into the pulls

[tribal wharf]

cuz what my concerns are going into 10 keys is that there is fort AND tyranical at the same time

[toxic pewter]

ya true if left messes up at least its early on usually

[brisk juniper]

And every pull on the left side is suicide if you pull more than you can handle

[coarse bay]

what nav linked

[tribal wharf]

so im trying to elminate slow downs, time loss is a better word

[coarse bay]

just do it first

[daring marlin]

You could do the basic left side first pull with lust and it would STILL be better value than lusting damage amp phase on that boss

[brisk juniper]

That first pack can be pulled into your 1st pull with lust

[coarse bay]

no

[brisk juniper]

All the way yo the left

[tribal wharf]

you do that?

[harsh trellis]

Uh what

[coarse bay]

what level keys are we talking del?

thats suicide

[daring marlin]

yeah bro I wanna see you do that on a 16+

[harsh trellis]

Oh

wait

I see what hes saying

one sec del