protection

[wooden lily]

Then 4 or 5. Maybe 3. Depends on your rng ofc

Its just a matter of time or gopinf guild can get 1 or 2 dream rift mythic in. Ideally 1 and I just win the 50 50

Won't ever need to come back to that place and use the bonus rolls on dungeons or whatever

[drowsy comet]

No you dont because you build this forge up with weekly quests

[torn gulch]

the forge will be completed next week

[wooden lily]

We did that already no?

Like 4 or 5 this week. Tomorrow should be the 5th or 6rh

Have you not been doing your weeklies?

[torn gulch]

yes i am at 4/6 in eu and will be 5/6 tommorow 6/6 on 12..0.5 start

[drowsy comet]

wait

oh no

[torn gulch]

RIP

you actually had no idea how the system works

[wooden lily]

Is this something copium lol

[drowsy comet]

you guys mean the deicmus weekly, i looked at it once and couldnt figure out what to do with it and I stopped, waiting for 12.0.5

god dammit man

[lofty glen]

hey. is 3228 rio "okay" for only pugging?

[torn gulch]

the decimus weekly builds the voidforge

[wooden lily]

Anything can be ok

[torn gulch]

number is just a number

people pug 18-19's now

[rancid tiger]

i read its everything ? where do u have this note from ?

[drowsy comet]

unemployed people yea

[rancid tiger]

i have only seen every item

[torn gulch]

there was an article on wowhead

about how it works

[rancid tiger]

theres no way.

[torn gulch]

yea because they datamined it

[rancid tiger]

i read it as well, and read it as items can be upgraded

but ok

[torn gulch]

yes weapons and trinkets

only

[wooden lily]

The thing that matters is the bonus rolls anyways

[lofty glen]

i suffer from random healer or random dps. ether i have good dps and shit heal or shit dps and good heal. more abandon keys on 15 than depleted in the last 2 addons XD

[wooden lily]

Besides raid items. You can guarantee 3 total myth track items from keys and vault

[lofty glen]

biggest part is, that you can use rolls (up to 2 a week) in 10+ and get myth loot from the dungeon you run

[torn gulch]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-ptr-development-notes/2270121
read the ascendant voidcores part

Only fully upgraded Hero, Myth and maximum quality Radiance Crafted weapons and trinkets are eligible to become Ascendant Voidforged.

[drowsy comet]

How come nobody even mentioned this void forge lol, nobody on reddit or twitter mentioned it smh

[rancid tiger]

Hmm

[torn gulch]

I mean it was on wowhead

[wooden lily]

If you dont roll on raid loot and decently lucky you can be fully myth geared in like 6 or so weeks with no myth raiding

Just from vault and keys with bonus rolls

[rancid tiger]

i still think its a mistake and we will get items as well

but we shall c i guess

i do think this is a greater solution though, which is why i dont trust it being real 😄

[torn gulch]

Mate it's literally written by Blizzard

[rancid tiger]

it doesnt state theres no other upgrade. just what upgrades there are

i refer to sev tier buffs that do not work as written

[torn gulch]

So when do you get the rest of the upgrades

[wooden lily]

Blizzard being blizzard and mentioned nothing abojt crests or ilevel besides weapon and trinkets

But for most part idrc. The bonus rolls alone is sick

[rancid tiger]

it could also mean

[torn gulch]

remember no uncapped crests yet

[rancid tiger]

that only weapons and trinkets needs the additional core

[wooden lily]

I dont expect uncapped till maybe luke month or 2 later

Otherwise they'd mention it

[torn gulch]

They would've said if they extended the myth and hero caps and they did not

[rancid tiger]

i mean u are prob correct 100% all im saying is blizzard are known for NOT mentioning shit

[wooden lily]

Its one of the things folks complain about being capped

[rancid tiger]

thank god its capped tbh

[wooden lily]

Not wrong at all

[rancid tiger]

if not the pressure to gear in a week

[torn gulch]

They will uncap it at some point

[rancid tiger]

or not get any invites are to big

[sharp gale]

Unsure they will uncap at all

[torn gulch]

But not at the 12.0.5 start

[wooden lily]

Tbf its very early even for turbo boost

Were like 5 weeks in?

[sharp gale]

Since no track upgrade, Voidforged items will likely not use crests

[torn gulch]

yes they will use ascendant voidcores

[wooden lily]

Ye i think it just upgrades by the 9 levels

Probably like once a week item

[sharp gale]

Probably not using crests

[wooden lily]

Can't imagine they'd just let us upgrade weapon ans trinkets to 298 on all our stuff week 1

[torn gulch]

It has to be a fully upgraded weapon or trinket

tob e eligible for upgrade

[sharp gale]

You need around 1400 crests to upgrade everything from myth 1/6 to 6/6

[drowsy comet]

easy

[torn gulch]

14 weeks

[sharp gale]

Less if you free 2/6

[wooden lily]

I mean if you have a myth trinket or weapon currently you'll havw it max by now

Or by turbo boost

[torn gulch]

that is true

[wooden lily]

Like next week drops. You'd be able to just upgrade using the item off rip or you're just throwing loo

[torn gulch]

if you have 16 slots and you have 2 crafted items with embelishments you'll need 1560 myth from 1/6 to 6/6
if you have 15 slots you will need 1460
If you do it from 2/6 on 16 slots chars you will need 1280
On 15 slots you'll need 1200
And that will be less if you mythic raid and you get some big 3/6 or 4/6 myth items

I mean crest actually don't need to be uncapped at all with this new system because with 100 crests a week you'll be done in 15-16 weeks at worst in a 24 weeks season

[drowsy comet]

HA IM lucky, all the missions are available there, so I can catch up. God I thought Im completely screwed

[torn gulch]

yes it has a catchup mechanism

[drowsy comet]

thank goodness.

[torn gulch]

you ll have to farm the voidcores

[drowsy comet]

where u get em

[torn gulch]

all content

[wooden lily]

content lol

[drowsy comet]

first of all I need to do 3 bountiful delves for that beginner quest xD

[sharp gale]

noob

[drowsy comet]

French

[torn gulch]

begginer quest?

[drowsy comet]

the purple triangle quest, building the voidforge

the starter quest yk

[torn gulch]

ah yeah

i forgot about it

https://d2ertrwg9e34np.cloudfront.net/original/1X/c7c21970cc2a1212a0045afea91f61ff7f1d7997.jpeg
https://d2ertrwg9e34np.cloudfront.net/original/1X/c2d184cf19aa33c95556b6c7bbe509069f7e5fcd.jpeg

This is the best part of the bonus rolls
It knocks out an item from that list if it drops

[sharp gale]

The best part is it’s a big catch up thing for alts

[wooden lily]

ye

[tame jasper]

I still dont get how it works

[sharp gale]

Walk in those 10s grabbing all these myth track items

[wooden lily]

2 free myth pieces excluding vault

[torn gulch]

there is a post above that explains it

[wooden lily]

i really enjoy their alt changes this season besides the fact that i cant trade up without getting the actual gear on alt

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

[tall cargo]

Hey, I've been a prot warr for about 2 years now, and I've been having decent success (logs ~90, 3k rio) but I want to squeeze out everything for my Guild Raid.
I've noticed some inconsistencies between the Rotation Guides from different Websites. The WoWHead guide seems very shallow and like the writer couldn't be bothered to actually write a guide. Can someone help me out with the following question?

I noticed that the WoWHead guide lists shield slam as top priority of the "dmg buttons" for Mountain Thane, however, Maxroll for example says Thunder Blast is more important unless you have Burst of Power active. I have been playing with the former so far, but I noticed the top prot warriors have much more %Thunder Clap dmg than me. Short comparison:

First is my Logs on Vaelgor&Ezzorak Heroic
Second is Top 1 Prot Warr on the same fight

Can someone help me here please?

[drowsy comet]

imma add 1+1 together and just do the Bountiful Delves on my Paladin, who needs gear anyway. Quick Mathh

[jagged pier]

yer the top warrior is cheesing adds

thats why TC is so high

TB is only priotised if it has 2 stacks

otherwise its SS

if u want to parse u need to know when to cheese

[drowsy comet]

Jakey now explain it in english please, no idea what u mean with that

[jagged pier]

im not talking to u

[drowsy comet]

sorry

[tall cargo]

No i get it. Thanks, haven't even thought about cheesing that fight because it'd just suck for the rest of the group. Guess I'll stick to my playstyle and be content with my 90 logs if it means I'm playing the fight and character correctly. 🙂

[torn gulch]

Now in Doragosa's voice "Back to the corneeeer!"

[sharp gale]

and on the wowhead guide, previous prot writer quit so rn it's kinda weird

[tall cargo]

Yeah I guess I'm gonna not check out that guide anymore. It looks very weird and under-polished. Shit doesn't even mention Shield Block
Anyone have a recommendation which guide is best rn?

[torn gulch]

Icy Veins

[jagged pier]

i mean by looking at casts alone u arent pressing buttons enough

like all of them are low

u missing gcds

[torn gulch]

it's maintained by Mwahi which is a very respected member of this community

[drowsy comet]

Corneeeuurrr

[sharp gale]

we recommend only icy-veins currently

[ionic fern]

People respect me out of fear.

[jagged pier]

if u want to parse u need to know when to cheese on adds etc,
thats why the top person on that fight has his TC so high in damage,
thunder blast is only prioitised over SS when it has 2 stacks otherwise u press SS

[jagged pier]

its the mohawk

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-tarkin-fear-fear-will-keep-the-local-systems-in-line-gif-23372956

[torn gulch]

I don't

[sharp gale]

#protection message

[torn gulch]

I respect you because you have a good guide

[ionic fern]

Never forget the mohawk.

[desert lance]

Hey, quick question, wha't the best suitable way to gear up alt at fresh lvl 90?
Chose war for my tanking role, will have guildies to do keys 6 with. But yesterday I struggled to get to ilvl 100 for midnight normal dungeons.
Plannin on hittin 90 today, gearing tomorrow&thursday, friday/saturday/sunday will be key days.

[jagged pier]

its written lore now

[desert lance]

Got no warband plate items(

[drowsy comet]

Ahh now I get it, yea

[ionic fern]

Broooooo.

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/know-does-he-XAeEGyCbp8UehBPkSA

[vital stirrup]

Delves and prey

[jagged pier]

delves

[tall cargo]

Can I see that in my logs specifically somewhere?
I can just see 99.5% active, but I guess that is time in melee range rather than used GCDs?

[jagged pier]

go to the casts tab

[torn gulch]

AH for some 220 gear then a round of rares and WQ then delves world events and preys

[jagged pier]

but like he has like way more casts of both than u

[desert lance]

The lvl 8 bountiful? And nighmare preys I suppose?

[jagged pier]

i dont know the lengths of the fights

[torn gulch]

yes

[tall cargo]

his fight was about a minute longer

[vital stirrup]

Yup 3 nightmare prey first for keys and the nemesis item then delves

[desert lance]

With current economy screw AH. Almost lost a fortune just to gear up for normal dungeons 😄

[jagged pier]

all 99.5 just means your attacking somthing, that includes u meleeing

[tame jasper]

I still remember the day where you took a look over my shoulder in HoA back in SL 🙏

[torn gulch]

what's your ilvl now?

actually nvm you re not even 90

[sharp gale]

wowanal is useful to see abilities uptime vs melee uptime

[desert lance]

I'm at lvl 80 with 100 ilvl

[ionic fern]

And it wasn't terrible.

[jagged pier]

that dont equate for like 40 more TCs, looks like u arent prioing that over revenge

[desert lance]

Gotcha, will give it a try. Prolly will do the worldboss on my main, a chance to get a warband plate item.

[vital stirrup]

On the warr do any rare you see at 90 as well

Easy key shards for delves

[drowsy comet]

Id do Preys for Keyshards ngl

[desert lance]

Arent key shards warband?

[vital stirrup]

Nope

[torn gulch]

no

[drowsy comet]

especially NM preys where you get both a champ piece and keyshards

[vital stirrup]

Can do both at once

[sharp gale]

but you can transfer delve coins to buy keys

[drowsy comet]

True

[desert lance]

https://klipy.com/gifs/strangle-choking-2

[vital stirrup]

I wouldn't go out of my way for the rare but if its on the way might as well

[tall cargo]

Alright, will look out for my GCD usage more and hopefully squeeze out some more damage.
Yeah, I see in the Logs I'm pressing revenge much more than him. I'll check on that too. Might just be in the heat of the moment, that fight is stressful 😅

[drowsy comet]

less typing more farming hombre

jkjk

[sullen valve]

I just want to support you in your journey of life... is that so wrong??

[desert lance]

Delves are the content I skip out on purpose. Only times I enjoy doing it - is like 4 am, when it's impossible to find a m+ or raid group.

[drowsy comet]

Mwahi is bald? damn

[desert lance]

So aint no way I'll be able to buy keys by the end of season 😄

[desert lance]

Totaly would, if not that bloody work 🙁

[drowsy comet]

They are 2000 Undercoins. Just farm these shards, way faster

[desert lance]

Don't u have to be some lvl of renown to buy em?

[drowsy comet]

Yea about that..thats another topic

dont think so

[vital stirrup]

If you are gonna do keys later this week do 1 tier 11 delve for the shattered keystone quest

[torn gulch]

2k undercoins each though

[drowsy comet]

Oh you do

then forget what I said

[sharp gale]

i barely do delves

[jagged pier]

just do the weeklies u get loads anyway

[desert lance]

It was lvl 5 renown in TWW S3, I'm at lvl 2 max atm.

[torn gulch]

Omegalul he's barely doing delves and he has more undercoins than me and I already finished the delver's journey.

[desert lance]

So, rares, lvl 8 bountiful delves, world quest, should bring me somewhere around 220-230-ish?

[sharp gale]

but im not saying it's THE WAY to get keys, it's just, if he logs on fresh alt, check that

[torn gulch]

with all content done you should be at 245-ish

[sharp gale]

just do WQ/weeklies to get shards

or prey

[torn gulch]

if you have warband renowns done you get another 4x246 from them

[desert lance]

Should be good enough. We did +4-+6 keys with a 220 heal and 229 tank stack

[drowsy comet]

You get shitloads of these coins tho

[torn gulch]

makes sense that level of keys is not much different than m0's

[desert lance]

Yeah, was fun though cause lots of people don't understand that and want at least 260 ilvl for it 😄

[torn gulch]

Because it's pretty easy to get 250-ish in world content and peeps expect new chars to do that before they go in group content

If you want to go in group content directly you don't do that in pugs
Pugs don't care that you can do the content at 230

[desert lance]

True, but sad at the same time

[tame jasper]

The song is called: Sad but true 🤪😇🎶

[torn gulch]

If I do a new character I have access to the following 2xhard preys 3xnightmare preys 8xdelves with nemesis beacon 4xworld events 4x renown items and world boss for a total of 4 veteran items 14 champion items 1 hero item
Then you can do some 259 crafts with spark you get along the way or some 246 crafts with veteran crests to complete some slots.
If you have big delver's journey you can get extra gear from big delves

Pugs know you can do all of this for decent starter gear and won't accept that you come in group content at 230

Frankly if I am judging a pug I ll do the same

I don't know that person

[desert lance]

Yeah, that's why I just wanna do 230-240-ish, then gear with guildies with a semi-plate stack. It'll take a bit more time, but gonna be fun and social rather then solo content.

I still dunno how much of a gap to 230-240 I'll have on lvl 90, so could still be a large bit of work

[unkempt hazel]

man if I get my hunter or well any mail wearer to 90 I can almost fully gear them with just warband drops

[torn gulch]

Yes with guildies is a completely different scenario as you can literally get full 220 adventurer gear and jump in some small m+

or normal raid

[desert lance]

Same, I've got a bunch of mail items stored, but the game punished me with zero plate items.

tbh, two days ago I still though I'll be tanking with a druid this season

[unkempt hazel]

now if only I did bother leveling him

when tw

i cba doing wqs

[desert lance]

I've got my hunter at lvl 90 and rshammy at 89. Can't get around starting to play with em.

Not the best time for hunters in PVE content, as it seems.

[unkempt hazel]

I just figured I want at least one dps focused alt lul

altho prolly should be a mage

blizzards favs n all dat

[desert lance]

Mages will be pruned in .5, in a week

I'm maining a mage, currently looking for alternatives as an rdps

[unkempt hazel]

do u mean nerfed

[torn gulch]

marksman is giga in m+ in certain comps

[vital stirrup]

I think in a week or 2

[desert lance]

nerfed, yeah

[unkempt hazel]

damn they gon miss so many vaults

very sad

[torn gulch]

not that big of a problem with bonus rolls

[unkempt hazel]

the what now

[desert lance]

Just checked the dps stats, MM and Surve seem to be doing fine in raids as well. BM is in deep ass though

[unkempt hazel]

funny I was just looking at some +20 clears

[torn gulch]

check above we had a big discussion about it

[desert lance]

But that depends way too much on the given hunter. Most I've seen in pug raids are.. well a joke.

[unkempt hazel]

one of em had a bm

[desert lance]

I'm checking for raids though. M+ could be a different story all along.

[torn gulch]

you can get 2-3 myth items every week from next week

[drowsy comet]

do we have full patchnotes yet or later today?

[unkempt hazel]

ah fair

[torn gulch]

probably later

[unkempt hazel]

god damn

[ionic fern]

Check news.

For us it's only Colossus changes.

[desert lance]

I see in M+ all 3 specs of hunter sit around the middle dps-wise.

[unkempt hazel]

they're rly going crazy with this season huh

[desert lance]

In raid MM and surv r topping the list right after devour and demolock, but BM is right at the bottom

[unkempt hazel]

good, where it should be

[drowsy comet]

They mentioned that a couple of months ago afaik + there will not be a super long time during each season / update

[unkempt hazel]

[torn gulch]

Next season is in August there is still some time to it

[desert lance]

Regarding mage, I don't even know what exactly is changing, but my guildie, who is mage to the bones, said they're damned, if nothing changes till 22.04

[unkempt hazel]

tbf

[drowsy comet]

August? Sure its not september

[unkempt hazel]

isnt that what happens to every one at any sight of a nerf

[vital stirrup]

Well they good for the next 10 expansions then

[unkempt hazel]

lol

[torn gulch]

It's august at least 90%

[desert lance]

true, mages and palas, the true love of devs

[drowsy comet]

Wtf is this collab lmao

[desert lance]

finally we can get some feeling of em feet..

[vital stirrup]

The xala schlong

[drowsy comet]

they really make a collab on everything now

[unkempt hazel]

when raid shadow legends collab

[drowsy comet]

hell no

[unkempt hazel]

when wow and hideo kojima collab

[drowsy comet]

About the Voidforge, how exactly will you get 3 myth pieces next week? just out of curiosity

[unkempt hazel]

I just saw a picture looking like one of those bonus rolls in wod

ig for vault?

idk

[drowsy comet]

@torn gulch Could you explain again how we will get 3 myth pieces next week with that forge? i dont seem to understand it that much

[torn gulch]

You re not getting them all with that forge

[drowsy comet]

[torn gulch]

You get one from vault and either one from mythic raid or 2 from 10+ m+

[drowsy comet]

Ohh you mean Open World section will have Mythic stuff just like with +9s or 10s whatever?

[torn gulch]

no

You get on from vault anyway when you do your +10s

then you use your bonus rolls either in mythic raid or keys 10 or above

you have 2 coins a week

[unkempt hazel]

so its bonus roll for vault

[torn gulch]

in raid a roll costs 2 coins

in m+ a roll costs one coin

[drowsy comet]

but how will you be able to get mythic trinkets without entering mythic raid like someone mentioned earlier?

[unkempt hazel]

smh gatekeeping trinkets

darn you blizzard

[torn gulch]

I don't know who mentioned that but they were wrong

[unkempt hazel]

im assuming u wont

[drowsy comet]

I see

[unkempt hazel]

so if u didnt do mythic raid or +10

[torn gulch]

You can get mythc trinkets from m+

[unkempt hazel]

ull just be rolling for hero stuff

[torn gulch]

yes

[desert lance]

Unless ur lucky enough to get a drop from vault

[torn gulch]

If you don't raid myhtic you look at the dungeons that give you loot and you use bonus rolls there

[unkempt hazel]

but they all buns

😔

tbf if ur a tank

[drowsy comet]

heart of wind is pretty good tho

[dapper sable]

guys, what do you think of the “shield block + thunder clap” macro? (Similar to “ignore pain + shield slam”)

[unkempt hazel]

ez 1 mythic raid slot

just do chim and first boss in voidspire

[torn gulch]

is this a codename for a raid trinket is 1% better than the trinkets from m+ meaning all m+ trinkets are trash?

[unkempt hazel]

or 2 in voidspire ig

[torn gulch]

No

[unkempt hazel]

yes

[jagged pier]

no thats not similar at all

[desert lance]

Chim is a hell for most of people tho

[unkempt hazel]

i like to compare the skyreach trink to the dragon trink

[jagged pier]

if u want to copy the IP macro for SB thats fine to snipe resets on a sb press to

[unkempt hazel]

one gives absorb, other gives more absorb, and does damage

but 30 sec longer cd

[desert lance]

A lot of decent groups are locked behind "be CE", a lot not CE groups are a shitshow

[unkempt hazel]

amazing design blizzard

and u will NEVER see the vers from the skyreach trink

[drowsy comet]

just pug the first 3 mythic bosses for VS, seen a couple of people doing it

[unkempt hazel]

well I mean if u have time, for tanks its literally normal fight

[torn gulch]

I don't mythic raid so I'll prob play with heart of wind and globule and only be a couple of % behind ultra bis

And I am fine with that

[desert lance]

I did chim with a pug group on the 8th try, but I've got a plenty of failed tries with other groups

[torn gulch]

or get a heroic drums with big crit or haste and use that

[desert lance]

As a heal though

[unkempt hazel]

I only spent 5 hours in one grp

kicks gotta be the worst part of the fight

[unkempt hazel]

so many ppl waste their kick on bolts

[desert lance]

that's clost to impossible

[unkempt hazel]

actually insane

[torn gulch]

🤣

wtf is this

[unkempt hazel]

nice

[desert lance]

I'm crying

[torn gulch]

competent pugs do 4 mythic bosses nowadays

[jagged pier]

what is that?

[sharp gale]

HoF pug chimaerus

[drowsy comet]

it is possible tho, just gonna take a while

[sharp gale]

If you want to see their kill
https://youtu.be/63hGdTPq5cw?is=LjkVLVoAcwIkOmXM

And yes it’s the real squishvegan

[dapper sable]

I think the situation is somewhat similar: even though there are no procs, SB is still off the GCD. there can be moments where Im reaching to press SB, and in that same instant TC becomes available and I dont want to lose those milliseconds, which is why Im considering a macro.

[desert lance]

But words competent and pugs are like two parallel lines, who never meet (ik that there are some, very few, decent groups)

But the amount of damned groups u gotta go through before finding that one decent one

Makes me feel like a hoe(

[unkempt hazel]

wheres my CE mount blizzard

[drowsy comet]

LOL

[unkempt hazel]

ik its just one boss

but gimme my mount anyway

[sharp gale]

There is no CE mount

[unkempt hazel]

well make one

duh

[torn gulch]

You can get a heroic gaze and a heroic plume at 276 and lift both of them to 285 with the voidforge and call it a day for the season

[unkempt hazel]

imagine getting gaze and plume

[naive ravine]

Just get good and press both

lol

[unkempt hazel]

at any damn tier

[torn gulch]

you'll coin them even on heroic

[vital stirrup]

Got plume from the weekly chest and a gaze warbound on main

Ez game

[sharp gale]

at least i got my first HoF

[unkempt hazel]

I hope you have a good day

[naive ravine]

Even then its not like optimizing milliseconds is important to make you a good tank

There are mor important things to focus on

[unkempt hazel]

after I got mine I wondered why i didnt bother earlier

o well!

[naive ravine]

Rage wasted, abc and how many blocked hits

[unkempt hazel]

although do u even get hof if its a pug lol

[sharp gale]

no you don't

[unkempt hazel]

gotta be guild run right

yeah nvm then

[sharp gale]

it's a guild feats of strength

[unkempt hazel]

😔

wheres pug hall of fames

[torn gulch]

For people who don't raid mythic heart of wind and mythic solarflare are pretty decent
Solarflare is like pacemaker it has 50% uptime

[unkempt hazel]

much more impressive

kek

i dont think its the same for brew

is it

void stalkers and solarflare

[torn gulch]

or yeah you can do voidstalkers and solarflare

and you re like 2-3% behind bis

maybe 5% at most

unless you do giga content that is fine

[unkempt hazel]

ultimately it dont matter

cuz yeah

im not seeing anything past first 3 bosses in vs

[torn gulch]

you ca get title in m+ without seeing the entrance of the raid

SO it doesn't matter

[unkempt hazel]

ill prolly call it at around 15's

[jagged pier]

just call it at 3k no point going further

[torn gulch]

unless you push for the sake of pushing

[unkempt hazel]

but then i have to call it rn

[jagged pier]

i already have

plenty of other games out there

[unkempt hazel]

I still want game

[jagged pier]

do it again

on alt

[unkempt hazel]

hell naw

[jagged pier]

hell yah

[unkempt hazel]

I mean i did enjoy some of the 14's I did

except magisters

god fuck that dungeon

so I wanna try casual pushing some more just cuz

[torn gulch]

I am targetting resilient 15 this season and I'll see how I feel after that

[unkempt hazel]

aye pretty much same

[torn gulch]

Diablo 4 is coming at the end of this month

[unkempt hazel]

hasn't it been out for a while

[torn gulch]

And I'll like to play

The new xpac+new season

[unkempt hazel]

oh

lol

I'm not rly waiting for anything ngl

other than the EA games getting out of EA

in billion years

[torn gulch]

diablo 4 for what it is is a decent game
got the entire bundle for 60 GBP and I got 50-ish hours out of it and i'll get more with the new season
decent value

[cerulean tusk]

14-15 area diff is where 12 should have been

[unkempt hazel]

I did play last xpac

paladin pretty neat

or was it crusader i forgor

[unkempt hazel]

so are 12's the old 10's

[cerulean tusk]

13-14

[unkempt hazel]

finally good enough to tank 10's

or ig

brave enough

lol

[cerulean tusk]

10s this season feel aweful, things just blow up and there is no resistance

[unkempt hazel]

yeah partially why I continue, hella too easy

gotta push meself

this is prolly the first season I've actually tanked all dungeons at the old weekly level

[drowsy comet]

imagine not being at 3.9k rating...noobs

[unkempt hazel]

in 10 more years I might call myself decent at the game

[cerulean tusk]

[unkempt hazel]

[last pilot]

How do I use Spell Reflection? I can't tell the difference between magic and physical damage. Can enemies deal magic damage with basic attacks even if they aren't casting anything?

[unkempt hazel]

generally no, maybe they have some magic effect application that goes along with their autos

[naive ravine]

[torn gulch]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-reflect-guide

get learning

[delicate iron]

What a great news to start my day 😁

[drowsy comet]

ugh gearing my pala is boring, think imma stay at my warrior

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[drowsy comet]

damn yoda did a +19 on LS Prot Pala with crit wings

[unkempt hazel]

my pala is holy

[drowsy comet]

funny how hes literally the only pala in leaderboards

[unkempt hazel]

😇

I wonder if mw is now simplified

I keep hearing all they do is spin now and its enough

[drowsy comet]

oh

god damn

[idle copper]

Are we taking into the fray by default or is there a haste threshold where we should be sticking with heavy repercussions until we get a certain percentage of haste?

[drowsy comet]

1188 Haste

[idle copper]

Ty

[drowsy comet]

is the breakpoint

[unkempt hazel]

call me back when its more than 1 non meta spec

[drowsy comet]

Guardian Druid

[unkempt hazel]

I mean in 1 grp

[unkempt hazel]

big

cuz I swear its rdru, devdh aug (god again?) and uhdk in most of em

and brew obv

[naive ravine]

Nim said its not rly a breakpoint, its more of a "at this haste amount ITF becomes competetive alternative to HRC"

[drowsy comet]

so it is a breakpoint

[naive ravine]

I do think it depends how you define a breakpoint

For example Ret pala beeing able to fit another spender in their execution sentence is considered a breakpoint (Haste related)

[unkempt hazel]

when the point is broken

[drowsy comet]

ret pala is not a tank

[lofty glen]

uhdk is just good with devdh cause the kind of share the same cooldowns and aug is buffing them better

[sharp gale]

This tank was in the pug chimaerus screen

[unkempt hazel]

aug should be kill

[lofty glen]

aug is making me so much tankier holy shit

found a russian mw monk that kind off adopted me to duo playing. he is only inviting augs and that is a game changer holy fuckXD

[unkempt hazel]

think nobody likes my tanking

[fringe mural]

So they still have humour

[lofty glen]

why

[unkempt hazel]

have yet to be added by anyone I run with

i'd probably decline anyway but thats not the point

[lofty glen]

your own fault XD

[hearty condor]

Hi, I'm a rookie, choosing a tank, how does it feel in the first season? Have you heard monk imba, is it true? Is it worth playing on var or is it still better to choose a monk?

[unkempt hazel]

sadly monk is s tier, therefore every other tank is unviable and will die to first pack in even +2

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[wild spoke]

any advice for solo tanking alleria adds in mythic? I'm kinda feeding on Vorelus on prog right now - any specific advice to how to tank him - like weaving in between melee swings or something

[jagged pier]

pick your favourite theres always a tank shortage its not hard to find groups

[unkempt hazel]

especially as a rookie I don't suppose you're planning to aim for first place in the leaderboards

[hearty condor]

I'm an ambitious newcomer😁

[desert lance]

It's worth playing depending on class style u like.
I chose war cause I like war playstyle. Monk is OP, but I can't get my head around it. Just ew.

[unkempt hazel]

I play brew, but thats because I've always played brew

lol

if anything I hate that its meta rn

[desert lance]

Some are now even prejudicial to monks. Some are awesome, and it's a blast playing as a heal with them. But that main part of meta riders..

hold my beer and may the god be with us

[hearty condor]

I looked at the tops on Rio. And all +- tanks have the same rio, the DK is ~100 points behind. But monks are ~ higher200 points. Is it due to the popularity of monks or balance?

[unkempt hazel]

99% its balance

[desert lance]

Balance, monks are OP, if a person playing monk can at least read the spellbook

[unkempt hazel]

prior to this season brew was the rarest tank afaik, them getting a huge prune and being currently the strongest tank boosted both

[desert lance]

But will they be OP for all the time of the season? Who knows, everything is a subject to change.

[unkempt hazel]

once they're off meta they'll prolly go back to pretty rare spec

altho most likely not as rare as b4

the prune made them so much more approachable

either way, unless you unironically only care about highest level of competition and nothing else then pick whatever feels good to play

[frank bobcat]

Surreal seeing brew at the top, I feel like I haven't seen any brewmasters in 3 seasons

[sharp gale]

And popularity plays a minor role, better specs attracts the better players

[frank bobcat]

Love the spec design & am happy to see them, I hear in high keys its way harder to get in unless youre exactly a brewmaster

[sharp gale]

That’s why wowhead weekly raid rankings thingy warns about it

[fringe mural]

Hey guys i want to run seat +10 the first time, any very special abilities that can kill me? I already watched a video

[unkempt hazel]

pretty much just champions in the first packs

altho at 10 probably not a big issue

still, get into habit of not pulling them too fast

or rather, not from a distance/dont kite them too far

[heavy sparrow]

guys what does it mean when someone says we didn't deserve to time that

[unkempt hazel]

it means they think they were the only good player in the group

[unkempt hazel]

unless by we they meant everyone in the group

[heavy sparrow]

it was something, that's for sure

16 deaths timed 14

[unkempt hazel]

like was it "yeah we didnt deserve timing that" or was it "you guys didn't deserve timing that"

[heavy sparrow]

the first one

[unkempt hazel]

oh then its just "damn we got lucky"

I did notice some 14's are very generous still with timing

[heavy sparrow]

it was a windrunner so it definitally was like not a complete win

[sharp gale]

My xenas 15 or 16 was timed with 2 full wipes, one at the end of the first boss

[heavy sparrow]

I mean, I guess I understand where that person was coming from

recieved some good feedback though .

• Lost so much damage when I chained like that
• all the shaman's earthquakes just lying there

[unkempt hazel]

oh u kept moving with an ele sham in group?

gg

he was seething for sure entire run

[jagged pier]

u dont move from eq

[unique axle]

tips for first pull algethar as a non dwarf?

[little ermine]

switch to dwarf

or run, a lot

[vital stirrup]

I know on monk you can roll out at 3 stacks with 6 sec left then walk back in at 4 sec left. You can probably do the same with leap

[jagged pier]

have bsv

or split it

[vital stirrup]

Bsv?

[unique axle]

i use bsv

still close calls on +14/+15s for me

and ye i try to use leap on 3 stacks

[jagged pier]

thats not how it works u have to make sure they arent casting

[unique axle]

ye ye i know

[lofty warren]

what should you use bonus roll on if ur not doing myth raid

[velvet knot]

Update:
Fellas I pugged my way to 3000 Yippie

[vital vale]

congrats man 🙏

[velvet knot]

Big appreciate

[cedar kite]

500 score later and still holding onto a pbox

[lofty glen]

Donst skill the mass fear. Skill the slow/speed and run like a pussy. Charge back when gone

[grand horizon]

Leap away at 3 stacks and when its 3 sec left you can safely go back in, itll reset by the time they cast again

[drowsy comet]

scream at your healer more to activate extra heal

[fringe mural]

Do we pull the entire room in algethar?

at first boss

or 2 and then 1 lasher

[small garden]

however you feel like

[crisp ocean]

can I run full vers or is that a bad idea now

[fringe mural]

i feel bonita

[solid sun]

You can do whatever you want, but we wouldn’t recommend that.

[crisp ocean]

okay ty

[drowsy comet]

Nice to see you again

[fringe mural]

what's the fastest key to run for crests?

+9 would probably be fastest if you ran enough for vault

[drowsy comet]

Windrunners is pretty short, this or Skyreach

[solid sun]

Skyreach is pretty quick

Plant area of AA is timer dependent on if you “need” to

[small garden]

hey budd

[solid sun]

If you’re doing a weekly key, splitting it up shouldn’t be an issue

[fringe mural]

Skyreach also has a nice trinket right

[small garden]

yes

[solid sun]

If you’re doing a high key the timer may necessitate doing it all

[fringe mural]

+10 does count as mid key i guess right

[solid sun]

It’s whatever you want it to be, big dog

But splitting it up in a 10 is fine

[fringe mural]

i could tryhard it for sure

[lofty warren]

On aa tree boss when the add died he makes a green circle what are you supposed to do with that?

[small garden]

pray

[solid sun]

Cleanses stacks

[lofty warren]

Stand on it?

[solid sun]

If you want to cleanse your stacks yes

[lofty warren]

[fringe mural]

he cleanses the thorny boss debuff right?

[stone tundra]

Yes the bleed

[lofty warren]

I didnt know there were stacks i just kill stuff

[stone tundra]

It also heals the boss for a very small amount

[lofty warren]

🎉 🎉 🎉

[vital sun]

hiya, I finally have some gold to invest into enchantments. Do you adhere to the icyveins or wowhead guide or get smth else entirely?

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY

[jagged pier]

an actual good yogi link

[tribal wharf]

with time comes wisdom

[cerulean tusk]

Low, 2-12 is low, 13-16 is mid, 17-19 is high, 20 is top range

If it hasnt moved to 21 already

[lofty warren]

If you bonus roll a dungeon does it drop mythic gear?

[vocal owl]

Can I get more end 100 rage as a talent? Like arms can get max 130?

[lofty warren]

Yes

[narrow willow]

hey maybe a dumb question but if I had to pick between field dressing and second wind which one would be best?

[cerulean tusk]

2nd wind, field dressing is prob still bugged

[narrow willow]

gotchu tyty

[still lava]

Is there a good macro for keeping shield block up as much as possible? I was thinking about putting it on shield slam

[cerulean tusk]

No, and you should not do that.

If you are in the situation due to handicap that you must macro it with something, you can do shieldslam

If you are not in the situation where it is a physical must do, then keep the button sepparated

[still lava]

A friend of mine who doesn't play prot warrior suggested it and I thought ... I'd ask here instead haha

[lofty warren]

Not gonna lie unless im in raid and other tank has aggro i almost always just press shield block if its available without any thoughts

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, you will just waste rage and scuff uptime, spend charges you could have banked

It just overall is a bad idea

[quiet matrix]

How do you guys handle the vile bite stacks in AA on higher keys if you are not dwarfs?

Resetting them is only way right? Im kind of stubbornly trying to outheal them 💀

So far I die everytime

[vocal owl]

How?

[jagged pier]

the same talent

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, you take 3, leap away and use some IP to soften while you wait to charge back in

[vocal owl]

Thanks!

[jagged pier]

but most things are better

theres no need to go over 100 rage as prot

u just send it on IP before u get there anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Ye but I am old

[vocal owl]

Mby just nice then im new

[jagged pier]

i think im older than u

[cerulean tusk]

We all old

[jagged pier]

[graceful hemlock]

Is Champion’s Spear worth taking for M+, or is there other preferred talents to spend the point on?

[quiet matrix]

Yep I can do it like that, but I was trying go outheal it through fueled by violence, IP and Indomitable.

Worked until 15s, cant do it above that 🥲

[jagged pier]

its bad nowadays

[warm plinth]

Mornin

[jagged pier]

morning, nice new name

[warm plinth]

Thanks!

[graceful hemlock]

Maybe swap it for field dressing or something more useful?

[jagged pier]

no

u run the other 3 capstones

[warm plinth]

Not sure how you'd even have the points for that

[jagged pier]

field dressing really isnt great

oo this heal now heals for 103 instead of 100

[warm plinth]

Yeah I looked at it last night and it would be like, 1400 HPS or something over a dungeon

and that's including with the self-healing part

I only looked at one dungeon log though because I'm lazy and didn't care enough

[plush tendon]

grats!

[warm plinth]

Sorry I meant that's the self-healing part*, not that's with the self healing part. Obviously the other part depends on how much healing you take, which can be artificially adjusted by sucking at the spec

[plush tendon]

but have you thought about cleaning up your questlog?

[warm plinth]

Listen, if I don't still have a breadcrumb quest from 5 expansions ago in my quest log, why am I even here

[rocky fossil]

indeed, what if you ever feel like doing that quest??

[fading pulsar]

Field dressing is alright, it's still better than the other optional early talent points

[rocky fossil]

there was an interesting discussion I had, last stand type of talents don't do much in current state, do they? Maybe it's my low keys by comparison, but at a point where I'm dying? the group is already dead

it feels like healer's job is more to keep the DPS from falling over than me

[plush tendon]

I dont see much point in LS

[fading pulsar]

Last Stand as a talent is counter intuitive

[plush tendon]

It effectively makes SW stronger by adding 30% HP.... but you are already in SW?

[fading pulsar]

There's only 1 dungeon I bother running it in, and that's Nexus Point on anything 17 or above

[plush tendon]

I guess there the heal could make sense

since the +30% health is considered healing for those absorbs

[ornate palm]

That to me is the only instance it makes some sense.

[fading pulsar]

The healing portion is actually useful for once and isn't just wasted

[jagged pier]

in very high keys it has its useages, but thats different to how most ppl are using it at low level keys

[trail dome]

Nexus point 16+ makes me want to take every talent possible that works vs magic damage.

[rocky fossil]

I struggle with Seat of the Triumvirate

[fading pulsar]

Kiting is your best friend

[trail dome]

I've been side-eyeing spellbreaker.

[ornate palm]

It wouldn’t even be useful in nexus point if the absorb had a short duration. But since it doesn’t and kiting is risky business there, I’ll use it.

[fringe mural]

It's really random

random is unreliable

[trail dome]

in seat or nexus point? 👀 Cause kiting is how you get mauled by the champions in seat.

[fading pulsar]

Nexus

[trail dome]

ah yeah

Piercing Howl <3

I've also thought about champion's spear unironically

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/very-slowly-noel-the-pokémon-evolutionaries-take-it-easy-go-slowly-gif-24718470

[lofty glen]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1skzymb/average_relaxed_mythic_group/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

are you this?

[fading pulsar]

In seat you put RP walk on for the whole dungeon

[fringe mural]

That's how you kite the champs in seat

very very slowly

[trail dome]

I remember week one I pulled 2 of the guys who do the knockback + 2 champs 😂

[fringe mural]

they have charge right?

[unkempt hazel]

LOL

[trail dome]

Didn't matter cause it was like a 10 or something but I was getting destroyed.

[unkempt hazel]

I have a comment in that thread

[fringe mural]

So you need to stay under their charge minimum range

[ornate palm]

Seat gets really fun when you get to the mobs with the charge and knock back.

[unkempt hazel]

but I never realized the ops name

[rocky fossil]

charge with dot

[unkempt hazel]

lol

[lofty glen]

XD

[fading pulsar]

Average Aug player when they push the champions to narnia and they all charge your ass at once

[unkempt hazel]

but no im not the op

[fringe mural]

Knockback i just press spacebar

[trail dome]

Rdruid who rakes the champion on pull so it gets stunned, 😎

[rocky fossil]

or pers panic pushing things 😄

[fringe mural]

I learned this from my fellow drac thyr tank friend

[trail dome]

Frost mage who slows everything while you're gathering, too.

[plush tendon]

you talking about the warlord guys

[lofty glen]

which knockback?

[rocky fossil]

we share the same friend !

[trail dome]

tbh in my experience they like to knock the whole pack behind you so you get globalled by unblocked melees

[plush tendon]

because if you talking about "Void Bash" thats spell reflect stonks

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-reflect-guide#seat-of-the-triumvirate-header

[fringe mural]

it's really nice

[rocky fossil]

I can't live without double jump

[ornate palm]

Yea.

[plush tendon]

reflect the void bash; negates knockback

and does big damage to them

Warlords are basically free count for warriors

[ornate palm]

That is the way.

[fading pulsar]

I still think outside of bosses, the biggest spell reflect damage gotta be the one mage in Pit that only casts TB on the tank

reflecting that shit does like 15% of the mobs hp

[trail dome]

last boss in skyreach is also p good

[plush tendon]

its for sure worth to review the spell reflect spreadsheet

[fading pulsar]

Seat is the best for reflect

[plush tendon]

so you know where the tech is

[lofty glen]

you always spellreflect WAR-ADEPT cast

[vital stirrup]

Is there a way to reflect each buster on the last boss?

[trim condor]

guys, windrunner is kinda free for tanks, right? Friend want me to tank his +10 but my warrior is 225ilvl with 220 shield , dont want to brick his key

[lofty glen]

pit is better

[fading pulsar]

spell reflect these bag'o'bones

Seat is by far the best, because you can absolutely blast the 2 last bosses

[lofty glen]

like 10% per reflect is juicy

[fading pulsar]

with insane damage

[lofty glen]

sadly you have so much cooldown XD

[fading pulsar]

You have it up for every single mind blast for the 3rd boss, and the last you have extremely good uptime if you know the timing

[ornate palm]

I’m in disbelief sometimes how OP spell reflect is.

[fading pulsar]

You don't let anyone kick the 3rd boss, you can handle the casts with your kick + reflect

[trail dome]

last boss I just send reflect at the start of the beams and it seems to work

[ornate palm]

Yes, but the dragon hawk boss will charge your group the taxes.

[trail dome]

but i'm really not 100% sure what actually triggers the tank hit. It's a really odd mechanic and the tooltip doesn't seem to line up with when it does it.

[fading pulsar]

If you send reflect just before the beams on 4th boss, your reflect will be back up for the next 2 sets of TB

then you'll miss one, repeat

[ornate palm]

Same thing with bird boss in skyreach, free for tanks, everyone else is boned.

[trail dome]

what is TB

😅

[vital stirrup]

It gets a stack every 3 or 4 sec at 4 stacks it does the buster. You can track the buff on the boss itself

[fading pulsar]

Tank buster

[trail dome]

oh :^)

[timid crypt]

hi got a question for the Lightblinded Vanguard as war prot will probably tank it in mythic soon and i want to ask something about bellamy and the judgement + her shield cast after i can reflect the shield cast from what i hear but do i need to press reflect after the judgement or i can use it at the end for the 2 mecanics ? ( magic DR the judgement + reflect the shield hit ) or will i die cause the reflect will be use on the judgement ?

[trim condor]

ayeah, I hate that boss as healer, everybody get demolished and youre getting pushbacked, avoiding frontals and hidden tornadoes in boss hitbox and need to keep up squishy papers as your teammates , 10/10

[plush tendon]

you should be able to use it during the judgement cast

and be hit by both

and live

[timid crypt]

ok so no problem with it ty a lot

[ornate palm]

I could be wrong, but I’ve seen in higher keys over and over again DPS just disappearing when they get the fire puddles to move out.

You have to hit a defensive yes?

[tribal wharf]

this sums up everything

[ornate palm]

My nickname for that boss is “my bad” because that’s all that I hear from the group during that boss.

[trim condor]

yeah, but its hard, because its rng I think. Its shredding dpsers like crazy, but you can have it twice in row or not at all. I despite these rng mechanics from blizzard

[fringe mural]

we don't use that here

[trim condor]

but I did windrunner only on +16 as healer, where you still could overheal it when they dont go 40 yards from each other

[fringe mural]

we use TB for THUNDER BLAST

😄

[fading pulsar]

I played too much FF14, it rotted my brain

[rugged pasture]

Hey guys, returning prot warrior. Haven't played since DF. Can anyone tell me which reps to focus on during the leveling process for the most relevant tank rewards?

[trim condor]

can imagine, I got blasted by that tornado aswell as healer, when I was healing others and didnt see it hidden inside boss hitbox haha

[solid sun]

It is popping off in here this morning

And it isn’t even vault picture time yet

[fringe mural]

doesn't matter, the first ones are always buyable

[tribal wharf]

runescape and wow only for me for vast majority

[fringe mural]

renown rewards are just crafting stuff and cosmetics/mounts mostly

[rugged pasture]

But for the latter ones so that I can access them earlier? I'm a conoeltionist and always do all the quests in a zone lol

[trim condor]

I remember times when it was free hero track craft

[fringe mural]

no i ment the items that are actual items are the top ones

and those are not really renown dependent

they cost 25 voidlight marl or something

but for gearing fast, delves help if you're into that

if you level up the delve renown fast, you can gear every alt very fast until you feel comfy to go m+ or raid

[rugged pasture]

Oh, awesome. Thanks!

[fringe mural]

but you can only do t3 until you're 90

if you're confident you can just go gear with m+ right away

low keys

but you do you

[rugged pasture]

What ilvl should I aim for before starting mythic without being a liability to my team?

[trim condor]

if you can find group, m0 is fast aswell, more loot and its at least champion, unless you can do +6 for hero track

[rugged pasture]

I've always been pretty confident so pref want to dive right into mythic lol

[solid sun]

Raid or keys?

[ornate palm]

For sure. Also that boss is a brez trap. Somebody dies, gets brezzed, dies again. That’s 30 seconds on death time alone.

[rugged pasture]

Keys

[solid sun]

Whenever you hit max

Just start doing them

Maybe do some wqs for gear

For free uppies

[trim condor]

ayeah, luckily I saw mostly deaths to tornadoes, people somehow in my group dont run far from each other and as mistweaver, you can keep them up healthy unless its oneshot (but again was only 16)

[solid sun]

But you can hit 2-4 immediately imo

Just have your squad carry you

[unkempt hazel]

220 felt alr pretty comfy going into 2-4 keys, prolly can go even lower

[trim condor]

ayeah, did 9 aswell on 225, was little bumby tho. Terrace and windrunner felt easy, pit of saron was hell and academy was breeze until arcane weapons

[ornate palm]

It’s such a forgiving timer also, like you can essentially single pack pull most of the dungeon and still time. Source: I’ve done it.

[trim condor]

good to know, that I dont need to pull all packs today haha, even tho only dangerous felt that armor shred, which can be kited/cced , right?

[unkempt hazel]

I did however learn that adventurer shield runs out of durability hella fast

[ornate palm]

But all the deaths on the emberhawk plus the extra time it now takes to kill him, you’re toast in higher keys.

[unkempt hazel]

[solid sun]

The little plants will murder you

[trim condor]

yeah, why that shield has like 65 durability? haha

[ornate palm]

If you’re talking about the dragon hawk trash mobs, stuns work just fine.

[trim condor]

its first pull in dungeon, I was testing it in +7, pulled whole room and had like 55% armor shred

but I think I reseted it with shocklwave

or armor break, not sure how its called, it was 1% armor reduce per stack

[ornate palm]

Yea. It’s short duration so kiting/stuns will get rid of it pretty easily.

[plush tendon]

I'd recommend, if you are strictly pugging, do delves

try to get as many coffer keys as you can

and do tier 8 delves (can get a decent amount of loot)

also, hitting up a normal raid could be huge

not saying you cant tank low keys at low I level... but people might not invite you

[trim condor]

and dont be unlucky and get 6x champion and 1x hero same neck with blizzard loot bug

[plush tendon]

there are also the 4 free champ pieces from rep

Id also send some crafts without crests (itll be like 259 I level or something

we should have 4 at this point

[ornate palm]

Honestly though, even in higher keys 13 and up you can still get away with not pulling it all. But it is very inefficient on account of the group should be able to handle it.

[unkempt hazel]

I swear nobody I ever run with knows this

[plush tendon]

and any warbound gear you might have

[unkempt hazel]

I have yet to see anyone ever cc them

gotta do it all by my lonesome

same with the spinning orcs in spire

[royal marten]

They're scary

And its rude to interrupt

[trim condor]

ayeah, but for example on my mistweaver, it feels better to heal whole pull with bl, than make it smaller pull. On big pull, I send cds, potion etc and next pull is not that bad

always struggled more in smaller pulls in windrunner haha

[ornate palm]

Fortunately as a warrior you should have enough stuns to take care of it yourself if you have to.

[unkempt hazel]

as a warrior yes haha

[trim condor]

brother, are you doing runs with me? I never seen anybody yet touch them at all

and when I said, these can be cced

response was ,,yeah,,

and nobody did it on next dragons

[unkempt hazel]

promptly ignored?

lol

[ornate palm]

For sure, I still pull it all. But I’ve also noticed the order in which you pull it makes a big difference.

[trim condor]

ohh really? need to check that then

[fringe mural]

i stunned the dragon hawk breath the first time i went in there

like why not try it?

[unkempt hazel]

I mean yeah I can do it myself but sometimes I wish someone else did just for variety

[trim condor]

like its ctrl c ctrl v mobs from every expansion, I didnt play tww, but last time, it was uldaman?

[fringe mural]

that's the first thing i try when mobs do uninterruptible casts

On every mob

[ornate palm]

Like I don’t pull the two in the front at the same time because of the casters. I’ll start with the left side and work my way around clockwise.

[rugged pasture]

Thanks for all the ilvl input guys! Much appreciated 🙂

[unkempt hazel]

I stil rop mobs when i have nothing else even if they end up being the cc resistant ones 😭

I tried!

[trim condor]

yeah this, worst thing you just wasted one cc. But cc is dps loss for people, so they dont press it

[trim condor]

ah okey, that kinda make sense

[lusty grotto]

what are we talking about

[ornate palm]

The arcane salvo plus the bolt combo will delete people.

[unkempt hazel]

life

[trim condor]

I remember there was some dps talent back in the day for shockwave and when somebody specced it, mobs were cced whole dungeon

[fringe mural]

dude was asking how to gear when hitting 90

[unkempt hazel]

boosts

[ornate palm]

The tank life struggle.

It’s much easier just to not do it, then tell the tank that the route is garbage.

[unkempt hazel]

on the bright side, the healer in my last spire commended me for being the first tank he saw that bothers baiting the jump

[trim condor]

yeah I commented some paladin aswell on my healer 4 days ago

was free boss with tank baiting

but tank died to swirlies tho during that

[unkempt hazel]

lmao

nailed it?

[trim condor]

yeah, got insta cr from dk and all good

was 16 windrunner +2 I think

people even cleaned dots on last boss, felt like weekly 10

but paladin had timed +18, so I guess he was just pushing his key back to 18

[tribal relic]

Im new to tanking, i got 248ilvl. Can i tank +4 mythic dungeons or am I too weak?

[unkempt hazel]

with that ilvl u can tank 10

the only limiting factor is pugs prolly wont invite u

[tribal relic]

Ah cool. My main issue is that i have never done m+ before so i wont be able to like "lead the way" as tanks normally do

[unkempt hazel]

u dont got much choice, though

u gotta be walking somewhere first

[trail dome]

if you do low keys the new affix highlights mobs for 100% count

[unkempt hazel]

upto +5 we now have highlights for mobs, so for now just kill whatever glows

[trail dome]

totally fine to just do some low keys + kill the glowing mobs.

Yeah exactly

[unkempt hazel]

and press w

after that look up some routes to have a more general idea of where to go, and see what feels comfortable

[tribal relic]

Thanks guys

[unkempt hazel]

realistically, just run keys

[sacred elk]

Do these glowing mobs last up to +4 or 5?

[unkempt hazel]

if u worry about what ppl think, can always make learning grp or some such

+5 im pretty sure

[tribal relic]

Also. As a new prot warrior is the single target button rotation ok to use? So i can focus on defensives more.

[jagged pier]

nope

dont use it, its terrible

[unkempt hazel]

if you care about improving, better to fail trying to do things properly,

[sacred elk]

This week i was learning how to tank in wow.. Yesterday i killed Lura on normal and learned how to tank swap lul

[unkempt hazel]

big

mythic lura soon

[sacred elk]

Tomorrow prob

[unkempt hazel]

[drowsy comet]

where patch notes smh

[undone beacon]

The lack of tanks that do this is absurd

Like its so clearly telegraphed imo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1260831993214795827.gif?quality=lossless&name=feedback&size=48

[unkempt hazel]

tbf i may be blind but I never noticed it doing much damage anyway

[jagged pier]

y bait when u can just cancel the jump by being on the bench

[unkempt hazel]

they fixed it no?

also eww exploit

[jagged pier]

[unkempt hazel]

reported, banned, deported

[undone beacon]

How come other armor types got fun little crafted sets and plate doesnt

game sucks

[jagged pier]

same last expansion

[toxic pewter]

if server went down during an active loot roll will i probably lose the loot

[jagged pier]

yes

[toxic pewter]

most likely right

damn

feelsbadman

[unkempt hazel]

oof

[velvet knot]

Thank fuck

[coarse bay]

Hey apb

[toxic pewter]

yo

[coarse bay]

I tried a pug belo birb last night

Is it always so miserable in pugs

[toxic pewter]

yes pretty much

lmao

[unkempt hazel]

on mystical?

[coarse bay]

How do they expect zerg with half the dps below tanks

[coarse bay]

Heroic, myth wont be pugged anytime soon

[unkempt hazel]

ah

cuz I noticed there's never any up

[toxic pewter]

yah the zerg strat in pug is basically the worst thing u can encounter lately XD

[undone beacon]

I did hero belo in 2 pulls with zerg strat but

[coarse bay]

Ya itd be a waste of time

[unkempt hazel]

the kill egg in 1 try one?

[toxic pewter]

i never was able to find good pug for zerg strat

[undone beacon]

it was also a Saxman pug so he was cutting aggressively lol

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1481375328038424617/image0.gif

[unkempt hazel]

I actually did get into one

took a few tries tho

[coarse bay]

Ya we tried helping a friend for trinket and the 3 of us that joined were the only humans i think

[unkempt hazel]

got real lucky

[undone beacon]

Did zerg strat in two pulls in a H pug, next week brought zerg strat to guild and it took like 5 pulls

[toxic pewter]

basically imo at least just two pahse the egg and like can sacrifice/immune soaks

[coarse bay]

I think night before reset is cursed for any boss tbh

[unkempt hazel]

o no

[toxic pewter]

and hope tanks can just taunt right

and n ot get knocked into floating spheres

[loud rune]

good morning frends

[undone beacon]

I think people didn't believe me when i said "hold your CDs for egg PLEASE"

[tardy tendon]

newer prot warrior here -- first time tanking skyreach on a 9, bricked it by like 4-5 seconds. i don't like some of those pulls / stairs / LOS. group was pretty cool though thankfully didnt harass me too much.

[undone beacon]

Skyreach can be murder on tanks, gotta learn to kite the Adepts of the Dawn

[unkempt hazel]

my guildies still dont believe me normal food extends hearty one

[undone beacon]

[coarse bay]

[tardy tendon]

yah was my firs time tanking the dungeon ever lol

[undone beacon]

100%. Pug early in the week

[undone beacon]

If you ever want feedback on your performance, feel free to drop logs here and we can point things out

[tardy tendon]

win some lose some 🙂

[unkempt hazel]

after first boss always go left

[coarse bay]

We didnt even want to do it, wasted an hour when we wanted to do a myth vs pug

[undone beacon]

Myth VS on monday night sounds even more miserable wtf

[coarse bay]

Which the group i made for that was actually good

I was picky

[loud rune]

dude i fucking hate stairs in wow or any level change, on NXP when you get over the bridge to the final boss and you shield charge on the adds at the bottom of the bridge you fall down through the map, happend 3 times to me, on skyreach while kiting over stairs the puddles were not visible under the map and killed me as well yday

[tardy tendon]

most embarrassing was i got punted off the platform on 1st boss. lesson learned. lol

tornado got my toe

[loud rune]

oh yea maisara carverns once the final boss kicked me off the map too, didnt know he could do that

[undone beacon]

I tried a bunch over the weekend to pug M chim and couldnt find a group that could make it to intermission. Its fine anyways cuz guild didnt get Salhadaar down so, wouldnt have gotten the slot anyways

[undone beacon]

[unkempt hazel]

I got hit by a whirly on the bridge

who knew it was enough to get knocked off it

[stray river]

Hello i am new

[tardy tendon]

thought was ok to tank 1st skyreach boss near the "fence" that blocks the stairs -- didnt work out for me too well lol

[loud rune]

hello new

[stray river]

I had a question, i dont know if i play really bad or not but i did a Maisara+7 as a warr prot and i did take so much dmg... is that normal ?

[unkempt hazel]

yeah idk what it is with the pug brain but when u tell em "ignore bolts kick only fear" and then they still proceed to mostly just kick bolts

[stray river]

Hey

[loud rune]

at which stage of the map

the area before first boss?

[stray river]

Each

[unkempt hazel]

I had one guy flame others "HOW AM I TOP KICKS"

bro didnt have a single fear kicked

[stray river]

Every single group of 4-5 i was sweating

Sometimes 3 was hard

[loud rune]

probably then shield block not entirely up, not enough Ignore pain used and taking here and there hits to the back