protection

[drowsy comet]

yea i read alot of that in the pala discord, man hpals are really fighting rn

[maiden ravine]

They aren't fighting each other. They just despair at Blizzard the same way Arms warriors do

[drowsy comet]

Arms warrior did get the needed buffs tho, so now its less than a meme and actually a good dps

[quartz palm]

I feel like I keep randomly hearing execute is shit at the moment is that true? should I not be pressing it?

[shrewd cosmos]

Do you guys think collosus will be better option if they keep the changes in 12.0.5 ?

[drowsy comet]

#updates-midnight the MT nerf gets reverted

but not 100% true yet, as patchnotes will come next week

this has been found in the 12.0.5 PTR

[sweet egret]

am I just being bad or is this not a valid loadout: CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0yAAAzMjZmZmZGzmxsMjxYmGGDLzMzMDGzMAAAAYZAYGDAsZGDbkBmhFaMzCMjZGMbDAwMDAYGwA

copied from icyveins https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents?area=area_2

[maiden quiver]

Isnt all the whining about Boomstick about the "class fantasy" though, not any legitimate mechanical complaints?

[maiden ravine]

I mean why the hell else would you play an RPG?

[wicked lantern]

Does anyone have a picture of what is considered the “front” of prot warrior? At what degree do I start taking backshots

[maiden ravine]

I believe it's 180° in front?

[shrewd cosmos]

Thanks good I couldn't sleep

[jagged pier]

Semi circle from where your chars looking

[fringe mural]

it's 180 degrees, also only when you run into a direction which is 180 degrees in front you will run at full speed

so to run at max speed while still blocking you run sideways when the mobs are still at the edge of that 180 degree semi circle

if you don't need to reposition fast, back pedal is a safer way of course

also sometimes, if you run too fast for a short way, mobs go into run mode and then run over you and stop behind you

so for example when you're in a ground effect you need to get out of, are slowed and have leap cd, back bedal would kill you, turning around and running would kill you, but running sideways will save you

[tribal wharf]

it used to be that leap wouldnt actually lift you off the ground a nd you'd still take void zone dmg

cuz you'd just be in the position for less frames

so less chances for it register

[vocal root]

Is there still a breakpoint for haste when it is better to take Heavy Repercussions over Into the Fray?

[tribal wharf]

follows same rules warlock gate, with exception cant be used from below

in warrior case, it can be used to go up

[nocturne latch]

Heyas, unsure if your more familiar then i with the ptr and stuff; usually if stuff is found, is it going out ? or is it a roll of the dice? lol. i am praying they key MT the same><

[drowsy comet]

We will see in the patch notes next week, but I do expect that to be true. Pwarr is feeling pretty good and doesnt need any damage nerf

[nocturne latch]

Thanks gup.

[pale sequoia]

hey!

I can't find the full 12.0.5 patch notes, i saw that they were nurfing mounthain thane, but cant find it anymore

[fringe mural]

they revoked the changes

no nerf to mountain thane anymore

rejoice

[pale sequoia]

yeah just saw, but no buff to demolish cd reduction too

[fringe mural]

i think the buff to colossus will come still

they just removed the nerf to mt

[pale sequoia]

currently not in patch notes

[fringe mural]

the arms changes will come for sure

[fringe mural]

in that case, just wait and see

still "subject to change", as they say

who was the one who said to me engineering crafts are bad?

does that also count for the gun which you won't embellish in bis gear?

[tribal wharf]

shield block works pretty much identically to bfg secondary effect

you have to be looking at the targets for it to work

nothing infront of you, no effect

deals its secondary effect on this frame of the BFG ball explosion

[sweet egret]

huh?

[tribal wharf]

someone what was asking what counted as "in front of him"

same as this, has to be "in front of you"

[turbid ember]

Can someone help me understand how to distrubute secondary stat? Im currently 1133 haste, 611 crit, 504 mast and 174 vers, so i believe my vers is too low, but simming tells me its not, how should it be distributed?

[tribal wharf]

between mastery vers and crit, evenly

with generally speaking more into haste, you just want more total secondaries

[turbid ember]

so as much haste as possible, and then rest evenly distributed?

[tribal wharf]

sure, but dont gimp your self going for haste

like not equipping a higher ilvl piece that has crit mastery instead of what you want

[turbid ember]

ah yeah ofcourse ilvl first, but i got some pieces to switch around with same ilevel, and wanted to do the optimal split in secondary stats.

thanks alot!

[pastel geyser]

Nerf reverted?? Lets goooo

[coarse bay]

Generally you want as much haste as possible, and sim for the rest

[undone beacon]

The real answer is always sim. There’s not a break point or hard distribution we aim for. Like Cam said, it’s pile on haste and sim your upgrades

The closest thing we have to a breakpoint is 1188 haste to swap from HR to ITF

[daring marlin]

helpful pash

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/busta-rhymes-sean-paul-clapping-dancehall-dance-gif-10273217303488907746

[narrow jay]

The 1188 haste for ITF means like fully unbuffed right? Like 1188 without flask and without weapon oil?

[fringe mural]

Ya

[analog lily]

Guys,I have a question,why i cant see void elf racial damage in damage meter? We can't proc that racial?

[drowsy comet]

Man some people really are so stupid..Scrolled thru Tiktok and found a wow clip of someone who plays brew and did a +11 in Skyreach with the first big pull saying how good he is...And the comments were full of ppl glazing this shit LMAO

[hoary oriole]

www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dt1vhHG6yVbqNMXJ

[pastel geyser]

U gotta understand that majority of players barely reach +10

[hoary oriole]

this is my log from last night. i'm wreckrr the prot warrior. i'm parsing super low and not completely sure why its so low

[pastel geyser]

If even that

[drowsy comet]

One comment said that Prot Warrior and Pala feel good and are played often, this guy answered and said "What!? No they both feel like shit, Prot Pala is better because of damage" ALRIGHHHTTT

[analog lily]

Pala

is paper

I mean prot

Ret is tankier

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/vHwzsld3H0f.gif

i cant with these ppl..

[toxic pewter]

is that true though

sounds like fake news

[drowsy comet]

yea

[drowsy comet]

just check raider io and you will see

[toxic pewter]

[ocean smelt]

Even now that they are free?

I mean in Midnight if you don't reach +10 it's because you don't try

[drowsy comet]

alot less players above 10s, compared to below 10s

[drowsy comet]

Many people dont want to play M+, and its valid. Because M+ gets quite toxic and ofc people dont wanna deal with this

[toxic pewter]

everything is toxic

pvp is even more toxic

even raiding can get toxic

[solid sun]

I’m not

[toxic pewter]

if people dont do mechanics they just remove them

[drowsy comet]

for Tanks its even worse, and I keep reading reddit posts about tank shortage here, tank shortage there... bla bla

[solid sun]

I’m sweet like tea in the south

[drowsy comet]

"git gud"

in a +6

[pallid quiver]

ur mom's sweet

gottem

[toxic pewter]

lol

[solid sun]

Owned

[toxic pewter]

[ocean smelt]

I agree it's perfectly valid, but if you don't want to play M+ I don't think you should really count in the statement "most people don't reach +10"

Of course you don't reach it if you don't even try

[pallid quiver]

M+ is hard because you have to reach level cap

[solid sun]

It’s also hard because you gotta press buttons

[drowsy comet]

Everybody has a different vision if keys are hard or not, go into a +2 key with absolute randoms and you will quickly see that people struggle there already. Not something to judge, but it is something that exists

[pastel geyser]

Delves arent toxic

[drowsy comet]

For us here we might "easily" reach a 3k rating, other people are having more trouble

[pastel geyser]

Gotta understand avg player who does a few delves per week xd

[toxic pewter]

they can be actually ive seen posts on reddit regarding delves

[pallid quiver]

Delves are 100% toxic because I do them

[pastel geyser]

I mean its solo.. what

[toxic pewter]

even solo people can be toxic to themselves

ive seen it

[pastel geyser]

Unless ur a weirdo who parties up for delves lol

[toxic pewter]

low self esteem issues etc

[tribal wharf]

in a +10 or more, any mistake by any player can mean risking the key , and a deeath or wipe can kill it

[pallid quiver]

I feel like it's actually pretty common to party for delves

[pastel geyser]

I did a t11 delve on a 180ilvl guardian Druid yday without dying once .. cant be that bad

[drowsy comet]

I wouldnt "xd" bout it, some people just have less time. Jobs, family, health reasons, older, handicapped, etc etc

[solid sun]

One time I listened to two people do delves in a group and they were bickering at each other the entire time

[pallid quiver]

It's both just being able to play with other people and DPS players feeling uncomfortable without a tank/healer around

[pastel geyser]

Sure

Valeera will heal you more than any healer can tho

[drowsy comet]

Must have been a couple or something

[pastel geyser]

I was doing delves in tww with brann healer and it was chill

But valeera os so much more op than brann imo

[drowsy comet]

im glad i never experienced brann, Valeera is doing a really good job

good girl

[pastel geyser]

Shes a crackhead esp as dps lol

[solid sun]

I think I could be in Liquid

[pastel geyser]

Executing mobs left and right

Doing 200k dps

Monster

[solid sun]

I got curve on jungle bird in one pull. No wipes

Instantly looted H alnseer

[pastel geyser]

Jungle bird 🐈

[solid sun]

Think I’m bound for Liquid

[drowsy comet]

whenever I join +8s / +11s with some pugs, Valeera as Healer or Tank whatever, does insane damage. Think she scales too well

[solid sun]

I do delves without Valeera

[pastel geyser]

Are u actually doing delves with other ppl?

[drowsy comet]

Im bored doing it solo

[pastel geyser]

Fair

[drowsy comet]

think its more fun with others

ngl

[pastel geyser]

I just think scaling is too harsh if others do low dps

Just wastes time

[drowsy comet]

i out dps people sometimes no pwarr

so yea

[maiden quiver]

Anyone know if there's an addon that shows you the IO of everyone in a group in the finder?

[drowsy comet]

raider io i guess

[solid sun]

See y’all are toxic

I mention joining liquid and zero support

Toxic

https://tenor.com/view/smh-shake-my-head-disappointed-gif-11685460011494032416

[drowsy comet]

dont think they take anyone above 30, no?

[solid sun]

Hey listen here pal

Are you even tall enough to join this discord

[drowsy comet]

1.84m, I think so yea

[solid sun]

What is that in proper freedom units

Also I bet most of them are over 30

Max def is

[drowsy comet]

yea forgot you guys have a different metric.. one sec

6´0 apparently

always wanted to visit Japan, but they would see me as the next Godzilla

[solid sun]

I’ve been told Japan is quite cool to visit

[fringe mural]

maybe you are

[solid sun]

They have snakes inside alcohol

[fringe mural]

if you're white that is

[tribal wharf]

yes but they are more strict if you are tourist these days

cant be jack ass there any more fafo

[drowsy comet]

the ladies would love me

[tribal wharf]

they said, okay, we had enough of this shit lol

[lean bridge]

In fat keys of like 15 and higher are you guys starting the first big pulls with shield wall and what else?

Also what percentage of vers do you guys have?

[solid sun]

We don’t care about vers percentages

[daring marlin]

I care

[lean bridge]

Could just be the pugs I’m doing these high keys with but I feel pretty squish sometimes

[solid sun]

Vers isn’t what we use to correct that really

Maybe back when we had corruptions and could juice the crap out of it

[lean bridge]

Maybe my haste is too low?

[daring marlin]

Yell at the dps to push ther buttons harder

[lean bridge]

LMAO

[solid sun]

Sometimes on the gather you get hit in the back

Gotta be real careful about that

[lean bridge]

Yea it seems like the gather is the toughest part honestly

[solid sun]

If you don’t have enough haste, make sure you’re running HR instead of ITF

[lean bridge]

I mean I’m still timing them which is fine but damn sometime the first pull is sketch as fuck

I’m coming over from tanking on vengeance DH so it’s def different

[solid sun]

Yeh I mean we would just be guesstimating about what’s happening to you

But

A common mistake is getting hit in the back on gathers

[lean bridge]

Ok that makes sense actually. What’s the play since we don’t have actually heals beside Impending victory

Like when we start getting low just to kit away I guess?

[solid sun]

Well

If you’re getting hit in the back, the play is to stop getting hit in the back

Gotta learn how to gather those packs without taking back shots and in my experience that often means stop trying to go so super fast

Purposeful actions and movement to manipulate mobs to approach you only from the front

[lean bridge]

Yea I think I’m pulling my the first group and running to the second and catching some back shots on the way out which freaks out the healer lol

[solid sun]

Don’t forget about the various tools we have to help

Like javelineer to bring in ranged spellcasters that can be silenced or heroic throwing a pack to drag them to you or heroic leaping before they get into melee with you so you can move expediently without taking backshots, etc

Maybe even go into m0s and practice

[lean bridge]

Good call man. I really appreciate it thanks a lot

[solid sun]

No worries mate. Good luck and hit us with more questions!

[drowsy comet]

lmao

[maiden ravine]

I like using a defensive on mob pull in general. Either my mitigation isn't fully rolling yet or healer is chasing me and is relying on their insta casts and it's also when you're fighting the most mobs

[drowsy comet]

Yea you dont want backshots, big nono

[daring marlin]

WHY ARE AUGVOKERS SO RARE

WHERE MY SIMP DPS AT

[solid sun]

My friend is playing Aug

[solid sun]

Want their contact info

[drowsy comet]

[daring marlin]

There will be more after the 21st

Most people don't like being forced to be a dragon, duhhhhh

[solid sun]

Well

[daring marlin]

and by dragon I mean gecko

[solid sun]

Does that mean you don’t want their info

[daring marlin]

I'll consider it

[solid sun]

They’re like 248 ilvl

So perfect for 17s

I watched Guilford topping overalls in keys last night

[daring marlin]

you lie

[drowsy comet]

nobody likes to be a lizard

[maiden ravine]

At least not as a tank

[maiden ravine]

Until they discover hover makes them draconic form and that'll end

Unless people forsake movement in name of being not scaled

I'm a weirdo who plays Dracthyr warrior outside of high end raiding

[drowsy comet]

No in general, nobody likes backshots. But yea, especially not as tank

[maiden ravine]

My mind is being too dirty for a rated T for teen game, sorry lol

[drowsy comet]

that was exactly my intend

[toxic pewter]

[undone beacon]

I’m touching grass today

[warm plinth]

Pics or it didn't happen

[undone beacon]

Doing a little 10 mile hike through the Shenandoah mountains

I will get some pics

[solid sun]

Shenandoah is just north of apb and myself

Want us to join you

[undone beacon]

I don’t think it’s the same Shenandoah unless you moved to Virginia recently

Otherwise hell yeah

[toxic pewter]

lmao

i would prob get lost on the hike

end up in a bad situation

[solid sun]

That's why we're using the buddy system, dude

[toxic pewter]

sounds fun though enjoy the hike

[toxic pewter]

lol true true

oh wait I think I was near those mountains not long ago i did a trip to place calleed christiansburg virginia to visit family

really nice

[solid sun]

Did you do a lot of bible reading

[toxic pewter]

lol

[solid sun]

Oh dude did you end up getting Charley's yesterday

[plush tendon]

lol, imagine reading

[solid sun]

Did it slap

[toxic pewter]

I would say i know more than the average perrson

[plush tendon]

kind of lame

[toxic pewter]

nah ended up ordering ton of wingstop it was a mistake though ordered way too much

i gotta stop eating garbage tho its not good

[solid sun]

WAY TOO MUCH

I guess on the bright side chicken is healthy right

[toxic pewter]

yeah theres like a ton in my friddge right now

[plush tendon]

wingstop too expensive

[toxic pewter]

lol

ys...

[plush tendon]

not wurf

[toxic pewter]

yes... healthy...

XD

yeah stuff is ddef not cheap these days

all a rip off

[plush tendon]

only fast food that worth it is McD/Wendys Biggie Bags

[toxic pewter]

yah wendy biggie bag is solid

[plush tendon]

if I spend more then $5 on fast food.... im having a bad time

[toxic pewter]

i get double stack one

[plush tendon]

yea, I go double stack at Wendys

and Spicey Chicken at McDs

[toxic pewter]

i remember when double stacks cost a dollar

yah hot n spicy owns

[plush tendon]

question; where are the target dummies in Silvermoon?

[undone beacon]

Last time I got wingstop I got like 40 wings and a huge thing of lemonade on the company dime

[plush tendon]

testing out some new nameplates

[undone beacon]

They’re near the PVP area, bottom left of the map near the front gates

Guards can point you there too

[plush tendon]

[vocal wagon]

I have not run M+ this week, how are we dealing with affix?

[toxic pewter]

can just impending victory it off

[fiery spindle]

Ye impending victory gets it off

[toxic pewter]

or just do 12 or higher 😄

[fiery spindle]

Also hi prot chat

[vocal wagon]

i'm still working on a couple 10's lol, but thansk!

[toxic pewter]

nice

[sterile trellis]

whats the most dps build to farm like 6-10 keys

[errant leaf]

bsv should proc at 20% hp tbh

[coarse bay]

Hi dwarf

[coarse bay]

Just use the icyveins build tbh

[fiery spindle]

Yoo

[coarse bay]

How are you good sir

[fiery spindle]

I'm good thanks

I made a monk

WW is p fun

[coarse bay]

Oh nice, i havent done ww but brew is fun

So if its similarish

[fiery spindle]

I did the sick nasty earthen exploration leveling route

[coarse bay]

Is that still a thing

[fiery spindle]

Did 10-80 in like little under 2 and a half hours

With goofing around

[coarse bay]

Oh thats good value

[fiery spindle]

Yeah lmao

Even tho the racials are shit

[coarse bay]

Ya i think earthen is cool though

[fiery spindle]

They are cool

[coarse bay]

Kinda wish it was a bit stronger

But they dont want to lean into racial power

Even if there’s a few strong ones

[fiery spindle]

This reads crazy out of context

[coarse bay]

[fiery spindle]

Lmao

[coarse bay]

Ive been contemplating changing a character to a mechagnome or panda

[void saffron]

What what how did u level? I need this for alts

[coarse bay]

Seems like a fun change

[fiery spindle]

go earthen and download the addon Dystinct Earthen Skyriding

[coarse bay]

Wait theres an addon for it too

Saving that

[fiery spindle]

the gist is that earthen give you 200% extra exp on discovering new areas

so it gives you a route on your map and minimap

and each circle is an area discover

but you wanna press W when you get on top of/around the circle

so the game force discovers it

I guess it can be any movement key actually

but it's crazy exp

and very easy to follow the routes

[coarse bay]

I wanna do it just to experience it

[fiery spindle]

it was very boring but very efficient lol

[coarse bay]

Maybe can put netflix on and do it

[fiery spindle]

ya I had 2nd monitor stuff going

[drowsy comet]

man im so exhausted today, feels like im getting..old

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

I’m so tempted to make my priest a drac

The glide just seems so goated for priest

Being able to cancel a bunch of movement mechanics would be huge

[solid sun]

You know what else is goated?

[drowsy comet]

jesus glide or what

[undone beacon]

huh

[undone beacon]

lmao that’s levitate that’s different

[drowsy comet]

kinda disrespectful, but its also quite funny

[undone beacon]

Glide cancels most forced movement/knockbacks

[drowsy comet]

but cmon this transmog just fits so good

[solid sun]

Squeakers is goated

[undone beacon]

True

[solid sun]

My homie can hear everything

Always alert

[drowsy comet]

bro can hear colors

[lapis vortex]

How do we sim tanks in general or as prot warrior for M+?

[pallid quiver]

for damage

[lapis vortex]

Only played DD by now. Dunno dmg and def?

[pallid quiver]

You can't sim for survival since it depends on too many variable factors from pull to pull

[lapis vortex]

Ok and for dmg?

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, almost all of your survival comes from your play due to the compounding effects of being a tank + CDs + extras

[pallid quiver]

Same as for DPS, chuck it at raidbots; the only thing to watch for is to make sure your haste doesn't drop below the necessary amount for ITF

[undone beacon]

For ST sims you can do Patchwerk 1 Boss 5 mins (or 3 min), for AoE you can do Patchwerk 5boss 1 minute 30 seconds

[lapis vortex]

But i guess for dmg i wont press that buttons with highest dmg since i seap between def abilizies

[undone beacon]

If you are playing prot well pressing your buttons for damage is also pressing buttons for defensiveness at the same time

[lapis vortex]

Ok ty and what means itf?

[pallid quiver]

Port Warrior especially doesn't pick between damage or survival; maintaining good damage is the same buttons as defensives

ITF is the talent Into the Fray

[lapis vortex]

Ah yeah but sometimes i van execute e.g. but cant cauze of deff

[pallid quiver]

You should only be picking it when you have enough haste to maintain 100% effective shield block uptime when picking it

[lapis vortex]

Oh ok.
Honestly guys im playing DD. Actually 15 keys (assa). I just started yesterday as tank my first time ever…watched a guide and used routes as dd. My 3rd key was a 10 nexus with itemlvl 245

And grp with less dmg and it wasnt that hard. Is tanking not that hard as i thought if u learn routes and know to use your cds and kick?

Feels pretty cool…but always was shy to tank

Im sure it will be harder in keys higher 10 but in general i thought its harder

[lapis vortex]

Very good info. Thank you. Actually struggling a bit with uptime shield block…i guess its cauze of haste problems

[pallid quiver]

In general, it's not actually that hard to tank itself; tank rotations are generally a good bit easier than DPS rotations, and pressing a defensive before the big murder hit happens isn't that hard. The difficulty comes from having to adjust pacing as necessary to accommodate for the damage profiles of your DPS/stops/etc and optimizing CD usage when a lot of things have the potential to hurt instead of specific mechanics

[tardy abyss]

Not having mob cds on nameplates made tanking harder though

[pallid quiver]

Decently likely; you can always swap Into the Fray for Heavy Repercussions; they're on the same choice node, and HR makes shield block uptime very easy as long as you're baseline playing the class well

[tardy abyss]

And tanking always has some pressure because at some point a key is bricked when you die once, not many like that aspect

[lapis vortex]

Yeah thats true but i guess i fell in love with tanking

Never tried but if i prepare for dungeons better then dd its pretty cool

[mild river]

why am i paying +-400 gold per run in repair for every m+?

wtf is wrong with my tank?

is this normal for dps as well?

[jagged pier]

no cause dps arent taking constant damage and durability loss

[mild river]

...

[toxic pewter]

our shields alone by end of a run can be like 50% or less or something ( correct me if im wrong)

[mild river]

i can't keep up with all the costs to run m+ anymore

gg

[toxic pewter]

lol

[mild river]

lol

[toxic pewter]

just get a guild that pays for ur repairs

[mild river]

sounds like a plan haha

[toxic pewter]

no joke tho

that is a big guild perk if u can get in with one

saves u thousands over time

[mild river]

Rant: i hate SR. i can't face tank some packs. i have to constantly kite. THIS IS NOT FUN. /endrant

[drowsy comet]

i really dont wanna sound like a dick, but how low must your IQ be to still not understand Degentrius (MT last boss) ???, and even worse, the first robot boss, we wiped because no one soaked these balls, I was about to tweak out bruh wth

[toxic pewter]

lol

lil gup ur dungeon runs must be hillarious lol

[topaz patrol]

btw I was farming pos for a few days for neck and ring and if I dont repair between each runs my shield breaks before 2nd boss on 2nd run

[drowsy comet]

Bro istg some people really have room temperature IQ, and Im starting to be worried

[mild river]

I just discovered if he is near a wall during intermission, the balls won't come from that wall. It really helps the group, but still ppl should get their balls 😛

[drowsy comet]

I know exactly how to play this boss, as I ran MT atleast 40 times or so during Preseason

soaking isnt hard

and Degentrius even got nerfed, it used to be a 4 field fight, i honestly expected it not to get changed, but now its just 2 fields, and even then ppl screw it up

[coarse bay]

when lil gup streams

[drowsy comet]

Our Mage and Fury Warrior both died atleast 3 times, like they were doing it on purpose

[drowsy comet]

in a mental institution sure

[toxic pewter]

rofl

[somber trench]

would i be griefing if i stacked haste verse, instead of haste crit?

for crafted gear and enchants/gems

[drowsy comet]

why you want vers?

[somber trench]

just flat dr

[coarse bay]

wouldnt be griefing, but not recommended

[somber trench]

im new to prot and tankingg in general

[drowsy comet]

ah

[coarse bay]

fwiw crit also provides defensive value in many ways

[somber trench]

im not really a fan of the rng crit block

hmm

[coarse bay]

vers isnt very big value for DR

but it wouldnt be griefing, no

[maiden ravine]

Crit is parry rating and I love parry

[drowsy comet]

Strength > Haste > Crit > Versatility > Mastery

is the priority. Haste you want to hit a certain breakpoint which is 1188, then you can use Into The Frey. Crit is important as it gives damage and healing you receive, versa should be abit lower than crit then its fine

@toxic pewter btw this is the end result lmao

straight up out dps´d a fury warrior and almost a frost mage

[somber trench]

damn

ok i will make a haste crit shield then 😄

thanks for the help!

[drowsy comet]

I completely fucked up a few pulls where I messed up rage generation, but yea i did decent

[drowsy comet]

Crit Haste Id recommend for your crafted Sword and Shield, both. And they will last you long enough till you get the Mythic Raid weapon / shield

[somber trench]

my ring is holding me back significantly

[drowsy comet]

farm nexus and hope for the best, the rings there give huge haste

[toxic gyro]

Meh, just stats. Big difference items are shield and weapon.

[drowsy comet]

What enchant do we go for Legs? I feel like Forest Hunter's Armor Kit would be better than Blood Knight's Armor Kit

Apply a Forest Hunter's Armor Kit to your leg armor, permanently increasing its Agility or Strength by 41. Additionally, the item also gains 115 Stamina.

Apply a Blood Knight's Armor Kit to your leg armor, permanently increasing its Agility or Strength by 32. Additionally, the item also gains 16 armor.

forest looks way better honestly idk why Icy suggests Blood Knight´s

[fringe mural]

well because stamina is not really a defensive stat

[cerulean tusk]

Armor = str, Lill gulp

[fringe mural]

it doesn't reduce the dmg you take

but you could take the stamina one if you also do offensive every once in a while

because healers will thank your fury for having a higher hp pool

[drowsy comet]

sigh i just bought the forest thing, fine im getting the BK one

[fringe mural]

or does armor reduce magic dmg?

i think they changed it at some point

[drowsy comet]

no idea

what are 4k gold anyway

[ornate palm]

Forest hunter is great.

[drowsy comet]

too late i aint getting back

xd

[ornate palm]

You already said this yes? So more strength is good yes?

[fringe mural]

armor is just physical dmg reduction

so my choice would be blood knight for tank only and forest hunter if you switch some

[drowsy comet]

apparently yea

i mean, damage is fine. Little bit more tankyness is always good

especially the higher i go in keys

[ornate palm]

The question is, does the benefit between +115 stamina vs. 16 armor outweigh the benefit of 9 more primary stat?

[drowsy comet]

cant wait to spam 10s for days straight to change every champ piece into hero stuff

[fringe mural]

you compared gold forest knight with silver blood knight btw

[drowsy comet]

115 stamina is like 5k more health or so, doesnt make that much of a difference to me than more DR

wait

[fringe mural]

gold blood knight has 41 str too

[ornate palm]

Then that’s probably the answer.

[drowsy comet]

omfg dont tell me I bought the wrong one.. one sec gotta check

[fringe mural]

you might because

[drowsy comet]

if Nim was here, he would straight up bully me rn

[fringe mural]

the silver is more expensive than the gold one

no idea why honestl

y

[fringe mural]

good

[drowsy comet]

Nope everything´s fine

[ornate palm]

Then we good.

[coarse bay]

being a respected member of the colorful names

[drowsy comet]

same price here, but yea 4k for an enchant is next level scam

[coarse bay]

consider yourself buillied by me

[fringe mural]

oh god

when?

[coarse bay]

[fringe mural]

you had money left lol?

probably tax evasion

donated to discord to not pay taxes

[drowsy comet]

wait fuck

wrong gif

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/bUCoo.gif

[coarse bay]

[cerulean tusk]

Why gulp no listen to me, armor is the way for Fury and prot

Armor = str

[coarse bay]

gulp ignored you because brown name

[fringe mural]

wait what?

oh

shit

man

i'm dumb

[cerulean tusk]

Moroneeez

[fringe mural]

i forgot the talent

[drowsy comet]

im brown name too

discrimination smh

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe gulp got me on ignore

[drowsy comet]

No

i see you

kitty cat

[cerulean tusk]

Could be, so rude

[drowsy comet]

[cerulean tusk]

Just mental ignore

[drowsy comet]

nah

if I would ignore you, you would not even notice

[cerulean tusk]

I just did tho

[fringe mural]

he's just doing it oldschool

he just doesnt respond

[cerulean tusk]

Watching warriors talk armor vs stamina did hurt tho

Oohhh the missery, why doesnt anyone listen to me

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-sorry-joe-goldberg-you-s3e10-apologize-gif-23568763

i mean

it's 4%

but still

it's like 1 extra str

[cerulean tusk]

I hope Jakey bans you

[last pilot]

I got a heroic-tier sword with crit + speed. Is there no point in crafting a sword in this situation? Is it better to make a shield + boots and another slot?

[warm plinth]

Ilevel is all that matters on a weapon

You should still craft one

[last pilot]

What does your nickname mean?)

[fringe mural]

i know it's theoretically the best enchant, i get that

[warm plinth]

It means what it says

[fringe mural]

archim lists the other as alternate

and sry, but, if he is saying that, it's the law

you gotta know if you think 1 str is more valuable than 115 stamina

that's a decision you make

[last pilot]

By the way, regarding the IP. Am I right in thinking that it's not a big deal if I'm distracted for 1-2 seconds and don't notice that I have 70+ rage? The IP isn't so strong that I need to worry about it?

[fringe mural]

it's not the end of the world, but you should try to avoid it as much as possible

[warm plinth]

It's not about the strength of IP. You just need to avoid overcapping rage.

[fringe mural]

keeping sb up is way more important

for every ip you don't cast by overcapping rage, you effectively take that amount of dmg ip shields you from

[warm plinth]

Being over 70 means your next ability or two could be wasted rage

[fringe mural]

also you spending rage makes other stuff stronger too

[ornate palm]

It’s moot now, since strength is the same, but you would seriously pick 16 armor over 9 strength?

[fringe mural]

reduces your cooldowns

etc

[last pilot]

Yes, but it's just that I'm playing a warrior tank for the first time, and sometimes I miss this moment because it's still hard to look at the mobs, and keep track of "Shield Block" and look at Fury.

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t3eDU5wKwJg me trying to route caverns go right strategy

[fringe mural]

it's a process, but having the rage bar at a visible location helps

[tribal wharf]

i hate that dungeon loll

[warm plinth]

Practice makes perfect as they say. Just do your best, recognize when you make a mistake, and try not to do it next time

[fringe mural]

i had a weak aura back in the day that would give me a flash when my rage is too high

[last pilot]

my interface looks like this, and even higher than rage, I see the effect of the "Shield Block" effect.

[last pilot]

I wanted to do this for myself, but I couldn't find how(

[cerulean tusk]

What u on about

[ornate palm]

I could very well be missing something. Just curious how armor = strength.

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, warrior got a talent that turns armor into str

[ornate palm]

Like more strength gives you more armor. Cool. No doubt.

But I’ve also been led to believe that primary stat trumps all.

[cerulean tusk]

I already answered a bit up

[ornate palm]

Armored to the Teeth, I was just curious what the conversion was. I’ll check above.

[mighty valley]

2% of 16 seems kinda negligible lol

[cerulean tusk]

Quite, but more useful than stamina

Was it 1/2% for prot, or 2/4%?

cant remember

[mighty valley]

But… the other one has 9 more strength…

[cerulean tusk]

what u on about

[mighty valley]

Oh wait

[cerulean tusk]

what is up with ppl today?

JAKEY

JAAAAAAAKEY

[mighty valley]

I got trapped by someone else’s incorrect comparison

[cerulean tusk]

BAN THEM

ppl @ me with this too

[mighty valley]

Ok yeah if the only diff is armor vs stam ofc it’s armor

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even

[mighty valley]

The End

[jagged pier]

What?

[cerulean tusk]

jakey

I am safe now

[jagged pier]

[outer willow]

The power difference going from hero to myth craft is either bigger than I expected, or a huge placebo.

[fringe mural]

it's 2/4

still the armor of the leg thingie gives you 1 str

1

[drowsy comet]

I am not ignoring you

[fringe mural]

1 is more than 0 obviously but still

if someone decides for his off spec 115 stam is worth more than 1 str then that is totally fine and not idiotic

[cerulean tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/memes-kittens-cute-cat-angry-face-OHRF8LZis06OiPDJby

[fringe mural]

okay i'll stop

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pat-aggressive-pat-fast-pat-cat-gif-17847968548836469180

[ornate palm]

Oh, you didn’t. All good though. I’ll figure it out ❤️

[fringe mural]

i'll try this out now

oh and i'm not tracking ip, the one below shield block is for sw

[cerulean tusk]

https://c.tenor.com/FdFifl2CWPsAAAAC/tenor.gif

[jagged pier]

tracking with bars

[fringe mural]

you're doing icons?

[jagged pier]

always

[fringe mural]

it saves space i give you that

[jagged pier]

well my ip one used to be a bar but now u cant see the amount its pointless

[fringe mural]

i removed ip from tracking completely

i'll just press it whenever rage is high

[mild river]

Can we change BoEs from raid into tier?

[jagged pier]

yes

[drowsy comet]

everybody can play how they want but, this makes my inner monk really unsatisfied. How do you play like that with the bars in the middle?

[fringe mural]

why? because it's not symmetric?

[drowsy comet]

Yea

[fringe mural]

i'll try something give me a sec

[drowsy comet]

Ayije's Cooldown Manager can make IP into a second resource bar. Thats pretty cool honestly

[fringe mural]

it's actually better ty

[drowsy comet]

Much better

[fringe mural]

debuffs now fit below the main cds

so i can see bleed etc quickly

they are kind of lost on the top right in default

[fringe mural]

yeah the thing is the decision you make won't really be affected by tracking ip

so tracking ip is kinda pointless

it's only distracting you

i mean yeah you could check if ip is up before you charge into a really dangerous enemy

or pack

but you can't create rage out of thin air so

if it's not up what do you do, run away?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would find it irritating to see two constantly moving bars on top of each other like that when one is not even telling me anything useful

[fringe mural]

is there a scenario in which knowing whether ip is up or down would change your decision?

[jagged pier]

not for 99/9% of players

[drowsy comet]

Scream at my healer to safe my ass

[cerulean tusk]

When there is a tank buster coming, and you got a choice in the situation of only being able to cast a single IP or use another defencive, to soften it enough to live - where delaying the def CD will allow better further aligment of CDs vs dam events

[drowsy comet]

i personally find it not irritating at all to have 2 bars. Many classes have that tho

[cerulean tusk]

it just bloat, information bloat, it is just one of many other things ppl add that just causes the real things to obfuse

[lapis vortex]

Hey guys, anyone got an idea how k can see debuffs better then too right or in party frame. I need them more focused as i learned last keys. Im new in Tank

Pretty annoying to look top right. Do you just moved the bar?

Maybe there is an addon which only shows important debuffs on actual raid and M+

[drowsy comet]

Not for me. I like to know how much IP I got up and for how long, sometimes helps alot, especially when theres abit too much going on

[lapis vortex]

everything maybe too much

[cerulean tusk]

how does it help tho

explain, when do you ever chose to IP or not, based on that info and not your ragebar

[cerulean tusk]

DMB got what you need, you can move it around in the options for the addon

DBM*

[drowsy comet]

I use the bar instead of having it as icon

[lapis vortex]

It shows my debuffs i got?

[cerulean tusk]

Shows the debuffs you are affected by that matters, yep

[lapis vortex]

I got bigwigs but most deactivated

Ok k take a look

[cerulean tusk]

o7

[sharp gale]

@cerulean tusk

[cerulean tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/342766218358423564/1465799341511016508/TakeThisNim.gif?ex=69db51c4&is=69da0044&hm=8b1784879a3657141db18cf4e8cc95f95a284c0958c8258e16249b35022536fd&width=400&height=225&

[fringe mural]

You can move around your debuffs in standard ui too

[cerulean tusk]

Answer my question, fool:

[drowsy comet]

I need it as an AI video of a rat telling me the exact same thing

[fringe mural]

But only if the decision is shield block vs ip because no other defensive costs rage right

For example when you have magic dmg only incoming

[cerulean tusk]

oh my head hurts already

[drowsy comet]

nah jk, but whatelse should I have up other than Shieldwall or Shieldblock. IP is a fantastic layer

[drowsy comet]

gross

Uh bruh nvm

[fringe mural]

just don't track it, end of story

watch the landscape more

it looks better than an ip bar anyways

We should track battle stance in the middle of screen

as an icon as big as half the screen

So we don't accidentially have it up

[drowsy comet]

Im not 40, i got pretty good eyes

[fringe mural]

i mean i never stance dance as prot so

as an off tank maybe

[drowsy comet]

Def stance, thats it

Unlike the raid guy from yesterday

[fringe mural]

3% crit isn't really worth it

Or what's the other battle stance bonus

[warm plinth]

3% crit damage

[fringe mural]

in addition or just that?

[warm plinth]

With the stance talent it's 3% crit and 3% crit damage. Without it's just the crit

[fringe mural]

still meh

compared to 20% dr

[warm plinth]

Plus the bonus DR on basically any significant hit from the stance talent

[fringe mural]

so given how bad it is

it would make sense to massively track battle stance

[true idol]

i cba stance swapping unless its l ike a burn phase or something where im not taking dmg for extended periods/want to min max a lust

[fringe mural]

To turn it off asap

Even in burst phases

Healers having to heal 20% less allows them to deal more dps than you could with your puny crit

because good healers do dmg if they don't have to heal

i mean what meaningful burst phases in a boss phase have no incoming dmg

[maiden quiver]

Any good videos for higher seat keys from tank PoV? Warrior would be nice but I'm mainly trying to figure out why I got turbo flamed for not knowing how to do a specific pull

[ornate palm]

Which pull?

[outer willow]

Is it the awkward pull near the third boss?

Or the room pull?

Oooh or is it the third boss room pull? Go left lol

[unkempt sequoia]

Are the Icy Veins and WoWhead talent builds good for delve build? Like to be able to switch Valeria to DPS to make my runs quicker lol. I'm 245 now

[fringe mural]

you should be fine

i use the iv thane build in delves

and if you have issues with your selfheal use second wind

Just take care when fighting the three hounds

the rest is easy if you don't stand in shit

valeera kills everything on her own

just choose mandate and the crit dagger as curios

[mighty valley]

i’ve had Valeera in dps mode the whole time, don’t really need any particular build for delves

[fringe mural]

mandate will instagib a lot

well i used her as heal for nullaeus

Though i might try out tank/dps next week

[charred ivy]

do u guys usually split 1st pull in academy? for stacks

[jagged pier]

if uw ant

[charred ivy]

can u reset stacks somehow or 1 need to die?

[maiden ravine]

So, I know Colossus isn't a serious pick in m+ yet, but I am wondering, why does it take 8% armor over magic damage DR and massacre over tough as nails?

[ionic fern]

What build are you looking at?

[ionic fern]

Leap out at like 3 seconds remaining on stacks.

[maiden ravine]

This one on wowhead, I presume from that emote Pumps hasn't touched that link in a long time.

[shrewd moss]

is there a way to disable targeting by right click? so i can only target with left click?

[jagged pier]

u need to get out of range while none of them are casting

u can reset it that way

[maiden ravine]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/EAOAVVUUVRQWYRqRQBEOVUVFVFBGRVVER0BEFFVVVUBU

[jagged pier]

the cast is 100 yard range but they only cast it if your in melee

[maiden ravine]

Massacre without any of the other execute talents felt out of place haha

[ionic fern]

Rest is fine but swap massacre for tan.

[maiden ravine]

What decides between Armor Spec and Fight Through the Flames, any dungeon by dungeon thinking?

[ionic fern]

I'd also swap piercing for intimidating shout and overwhelming for rumbling.

[ionic fern]

I'm too lazy to swap ever.

[pallid quiver]

based and true; who needs to think until it becomes a real issue

[maiden ravine]

haha

I would love if sudden death and cleave execute could ever be a thing for m+ but yeah

[jagged pier]

i mean u can run the talents

but that button press will do less damage than revenge

[maiden ravine]

I know, that's my point

[supple gust]

@elfin jolt hey buddy when you getting back into the tank q

[pallid quiver]

it did last season ;-;

[maiden ravine]

oh, I missed it then

[analog lily]

Egg rush run not working now?

[regal sorrel]

Are there any places online I can check which gems are compatible in my gear? Best in slot, etc. Couldn't see anything on WH

[jagged pier]

sim

so raidbots

[regal sorrel]

Thanks for the swift reply! I'll try raidbots

[vocal lintel]

Is shield slam damage increased by a stronger shield?

Or only weapon matter for dps

[fringe mural]

your shield is the single strongest item you have

[vocal lintel]

Oh snap, need to craft one asap. Been neglecting it and wasn't lucky with any drops so still rocking the normal track version ;o

[jagged pier]

right but thats not what hes asking

it doesnt increase the damage of shield, like in classic

[fringe mural]

yeah i know, i was just looking up the scaling

[jagged pier]

it will a tiny bit because of the strength increase

[warm plinth]

Shield increases the strength of our blocks; that's the biggest reason you want a good one

[nova gorge]

Anyone have exp on Mythic Dragons yet? I've seen that Blood DKs are mandatory, and was wondering if Disrupting Shout had a similar effect as Blood DK grip for this fight (by silencing and grouping).

[fringe mural]

block percentage is determined by shield block value

[jagged pier]

it will also aggro both dragons

so u wouldnt do that

[fringe mural]

and that is correlated to shield itemlvl

[nova gorge]

Other tank can just taunt back within a second no? Taunt immunity is over 3 taunts in a 15 second timeframe iirc

[fringe mural]

he wasn't asking this but as you saw, he was implying if we could ease his bad conscience of using a bad shield

so it's good i answered the way i did

we can only use two embellishments right?

so if one of us were unable to acquire myth track gear, would engineering crafted gear theoretically be BIS if we already have the two embellishs on sword/shield for example?

[nova gorge]

I know you said that you wouldn't do that (use Disrupting Shout for Mythic Dragons) - but it is possible right, so long as co-tank knows timing and taunts back immediately?

[maiden ravine]

So, I've done these keys but I'm still trash at remembering count %s. PoS is 79% before ramp, I think Seat is 81% before last area? What's a good MC % before first boss?

[onyx hearth]

With 2 prot warrior tanks in vanguard, you can just not tank swap and spell reflect every ability?

[nova gorge]

Yes

But caveat - use with caution, there will be an overlap where you can have Senn casting Exorcism on you near the same timing, and cause you to reflect/deflect the Exo instead of the combo move.

[tribal wharf]

everytime mc something go wrong

i hate this du ngeon

[blissful pecan]

Interrupting the adds on mythic dragons doesn’t cause them to move, it will just stop them from casting for the lockout duration. Still need knocks or grips to actually get them grouped up.

[pastel sleet]

the second blueberry in seat is absolutely wrecking me with even just 2 shadowguard champions.
like procking my cheat in seconds then im taking 2m dtps immediately after it drops... what am i doin wrong. even on farm keys this pull scares me.

[nova gorge]

Thanks for clarifying, only had heroic exp to speak of - and knew they walked middle once interrupted.

[tribal wharf]

i hate that dungeon so much now

and i go look at another topicx video on the place

and the route changed again

if i ever do MC on 10, im never ever running it again

i say we get to skip the mask on the ramp

and it get pulled anyways

[fringe mural]

uuuh nice i can go buy hero gear in delves now

bb champion

[tribal wharf]

i swear im better off going the blizzard route in that place

[fringe mural]

the lindormi route`?

[tribal wharf]

ya

nim keeps swaering by it to me go right and it never seems to work

[lusty grotto]

what does not work

https://threechest.io?id=915lrthkrcl this is what i do

the caster pull 6 is iffy but doable in lower keys

and it'll change cause i didnt like the stupid bat pulls

and youre supposed to jump down to pull 5 to avoid the tiki head

[tribal wharf]

maybe i should focus on something simple and hold W like MT instead

i cant stand that caverns place

[lusty grotto]

yogi all you gotta do is do the mammoth first pull then hug right

keep clearing right side of the road into house for food buff

[tribal wharf]

i hate that go right route so much

i cannot stand it

[lusty grotto]

it just takes a bit of practice to memorize it

also remembering to use the trap buff on mammoth is very useful

but im pretty sure it has to be a dps that does it cause you cannot cast while holding it

[tribal wharf]

i think its ass

[lusty grotto]

idk man i like it

[tribal wharf]

i dont like it or its going to take me alot of practice to get that side correct

[lusty grotto]

just stick to the right side of the road into hut like i said

[tribal wharf]

cuz at some point you have to do a jump of no return over the balcany

[lusty grotto]

yes, that shouldn't be an issue

[tribal wharf]

so you cant miss any of the prisoners

[lusty grotto]

well thats up to your group right?

[tribal wharf]

if you dont have them

and you have to go up

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt need to

[tribal wharf]

you will pull monsters on the ramp right

so you have to pulll perfectly up till that, and theres like patrol skips

just rubs me wrong wayt

[lusty grotto]

there's 2 prisoners at pull 6

you just gotta make sure you have 6/8 before jumping

which you should

[tribal wharf]

you'd have to go both left and right after the jump with 6?

you'd need 2 more and at the hut to right i think only 1?

[lusty grotto]

theres 2 at the start pull

2 in the food hut

1 along the way

and 1 at pull 4 ledge

[maiden ravine]

I think I prefer left side of MC, but I needed to pull a lot more lol. I ended at final boss at 83%. I don't like dungeons that make you go out of your way to pull extra.

[lusty grotto]

and the final 2 are on pull 6

right side can be tricky in higher keys

but doable up for 10s and 12s

so yes yogi, if you do prefer left side then keep doing it

[maiden ravine]

Is it better to pull before the first boss or like the entire room in the miniboss area?

[lusty grotto]

the gnarldins are just way too much damage so i skip them

and damage is lower technically in the first area if you know what to skip

[tribal wharf]

thats whato i have marked down

[maiden ravine]

I somehow skipped way to much and I felt like I pulled extra even.

[lusty grotto]

the 8 yellow circle has two prisoners

[tribal wharf]

with the object 9 being alternative, and 22 being alternative pull

[lusty grotto]

6 you dont need to pull to get at all

1+2 -> 3+4 -> 5 -> 7 -> 8 (which has two)

[tribal wharf]

i only saw the 1 in there, this is normal difficulty though

so if its same on keys with 6, i'd have go go left and right after going down the jump

[lusty grotto]

its the same

but no

do not go into 6

[tribal wharf]

which involves now patrol skips

[lusty grotto]

first two

2nd two

[tribal wharf]

https://youtu.be/o8cLNZFQeMM?si=kPv5K7YctDtpHofX&t=327

[lusty grotto]

5

[tribal wharf]

my souce for this is "i didnt make it the fuck up"

[lusty grotto]

6

this guy turns into two in keys

despite being one in non-key instances

[waxen frigate]

Hi nimchip and deathray44 aka yogi

[lusty grotto]

sup nish

[waxen frigate]

I’m pooping at work rn wbu

[tribal wharf]

i swear to god im better off saying to hell with the stew

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/potty-hehasrisen

[tribal wharf]

it can sit and stew

[lusty grotto]

you can go right

so just do what youre used to

its just a thing if you ever plan to push higher

its not a big deal really

its just nice to learn stuff beforehand i suppose, and to get people used to the route as well

[maiden ravine]

what changed cause I liked left myself then everyone said "GO RIGHT ONLY" despite Mammoths being pure evil.

[lusty grotto]

mammoths can be trapped with the trap buff

the first one you just burn

nothing really changed, its just a higher key route

people there know how to prio target

[maiden ravine]

well info about the traps hasn't hit most people

[lusty grotto]

this is not a route for 10s or 12s

its for higher ones

[vocal junco]

Topicx is goated, I’ve been learning so much from his videos

[tribal wharf]

if i have a ton of other problems like this i'll be out soon enough

[lusty grotto]

i promise you yogi i wont get mad if you go left, it works in that key level

im just trying to save you any angry group members saying "aren't we supposed to go rigth"

[tribal wharf]

i have never done 3k, or 2500

so i would want to attempt 2500, which i dont think is going to be hard

250 points

[lusty grotto]

first time for everything

[maiden ravine]

thing to remember as a tank is people need you a lot more than you need them if they get too angry. Your next key is seconds away if you want it to be.

[tribal wharf]

im watching kira freak out in AA on his DH

so i dont feel quite so bad now

there is screaming

[maiden ravine]

haha, I can't imagine any tank is happy pulling that first room

[tribal wharf]

hes do ing th breath worms

[lusty grotto]

they probably body pulled them

and thats why hes angry

breath worms arent really hard, they just take too much time to kill

so they are skipped except for maybe one

[tribal wharf]

they are really gross, but easy to avoid

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

huge hit box, huge damage over time

[maiden ravine]

plus the charge and breath is so annoying

[lusty grotto]

theres no damage over time, just avoid the breath

but again thats not why they arent done

they have way too much health, its inefficient to pull them

has nothing to do with them being easy or hard

[maiden ravine]

I should do one more 10 just to have a second myth slot.

[waxen frigate]

Or do 5 more

[slender stirrup]

Does Second Wind start ticking if you 'absorb' damage with IP? Since technically you don't take dmg?

[severe vector]

hey guys where can i get the best Talents for each m+ dungeon?

[tardy abyss]

icy-veins

[maiden ravine]

nah, not for an alt haah

[oak ivy]

You still take some damage, IP only absorbs half of incoming damage

[lusty grotto]

yup, it doesnt really activate with IP, its a partial absorb

not a full absorb

thats why we seldom talent it

[frozen rock]

hi quick question, is there a maximum duration to shield block?

[lusty grotto]

3x times its duration

[frozen rock]

so 18sec?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[frozen rock]

ok thanks

[strong forum]

should be 24 sec

6 is base duration 8 with talents

[frozen rock]

indeed

[lusty grotto]

@frozen rock

[strong forum]

old man gotta come in and save the semantics

smh

ignoring the fact that Nim is older

[lusty grotto]

tbf im doing something atm so didnt have time to add more info

but ty

[solid sun]

Bro alleria intermission 2 sucks

[frozen rock]

is there an addon that makes these cdm bars not look like shit?

[lusty grotto]

most addon cdms really

ayije does

[paper fog]

how do you charge?

[severe vector]

i cant find at icy veins talents for each m+ dungeons only find one ?

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing as a talent build for each dungeon

the build is pretty static, and it has all the tools you need for every single one

the only 2 situational picks are intervene and fearless, but if you dont knoww where youre using those, you dont really need to care about them

[sharp gale]

I sit with fearless and that’s it

[lusty grotto]

i dont play it ever

but it might change for a high seat

though subjugate does piss damage to us anyway

[severe vector]

Oh, okay, I thought you could look at the talents like in Raider.io to find out which ones are best suited for which role, but they are different from each other. thank you for ur help ❤️

[sharp gale]

Yeah I’m really dps brain damaged so I use it as often even when I prot

And I’m gnome since forever, so I pay more attention to debuffs with slows I guess

[solid sun]

Help me with Alleria intermission 2

[outer willow]

You can customize a few things to make them not look so generic.

[solid sun]

Do you start in the middle or go far from the wall of orbs? How do you snag an arrow if you’re just running for your life

[frozen rock]

i'm looking at ayije right now seeing if it fits my needs

[severe vector]

Indomitable is this one a good option in academy the first pull there hurts me every time. seat the same first pull chain cast hurst allot ?

[lusty grotto]

it wont help

in that pull

but feel free to swap Enduring Alacrity for it

and see for yourself

[severe vector]

have u some option to avoid that dmg?

[outer willow]

yes. fearless

[lusty grotto]

its pretty simple to figure out why it wont

if youre kiting, at all youre not gonna generate rage

not generating rage = not spending rage = no indom heals

[outer willow]

Oop, I meant to respond to the other question - How to avoid that damage

[lusty grotto]

and even then indom heals won't offset the damage greatly, you just gotta treat it like every stackable dot

fiery talon etc

backpedal

stun

leap at 5x stacks

[waxen frigate]

In what way do you think it would help

[severe vector]

ah true kiting to reset the dot

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto help am dying

[waxen frigate]

Press SB

[slender stirrup]

Why do I find that it has so much options? What static build you prefer?

[lusty grotto]

health pot

[pallid quiver]

yo same

[outer willow]

VR

[waxen frigate]

Perish

[warm plinth]

Nothing blockable at gym

[lusty grotto]

the icy-veins m+ build

pretty sure two people told you about it already

[severe vector]

was only asking ^^ im learning i thought is a good option but yeah no rage in kiting

[waxen frigate]

Well my point is moreso that’s a question to ask yourself

What drove you to think it’s a good option

[slender stirrup]

No since I always got referred to the sh!tty Wowhead build, but thanks 🙂

[coarse bay]

if anybody here has recommended wowhead theyre wrong

and we will scold

[lusty grotto]

well we dont support wowhead anymore

only icy-veins

[severe vector]

i though with this talent i will heal a bit against the incoming dmg but now im pretty sure it will sucks there

[waxen frigate]

Who took over for nome

[lusty grotto]

pumps

but hes not active here

[waxen frigate]

Yea it’s just one of those things where you have to think about how the talent works, the situation you’re thinking of, and if it can be applied

[lusty grotto]

and is filling in for like 4 different guides

[waxen frigate]

🤑

[severe vector]

yeah true thank u

[maiden ravine]

I did think it strange a noted DK main wrote the prot warrior guide

Or am I getting screens names mixed

[daring marlin]

You're thinking of bicepspump

[warm plinth]

It used to be very common for multiple guides on both sites to be written by one person

Only been since like shadowlands that they made sincere efforts to recruit experts

Wordup seemed to be doing half the guides on IV at one point

[crude tapir]

I noticed that some of the highest prot warriors on raider.io aren't running all 4 apex points and was curious as to how good it really is vs getting more utility/defensives elsewhere

[lusty grotto]

its not good

you lose 15k dps and 5% DR, and can still pick those talents by swapping elsewhere

losing only 3k dps by doing that

they are trying tstuff out

[waxen frigate]

God if bicepspump was the guide writer it would be beyond cooked

That dude is so ass

[lusty grotto]

dont make it a habit to check builds until the season is more established

[waxen frigate]

Even at DK

[lusty grotto]

and always take aggregate sites with a huge grain of salt

[crude tapir]

Ahh okay I was just curious cuz I was trying to climb and was looking at them to see what kind of stuff they were running. Skyhold talents seem to use it tho is why I was ask.

[daring marlin]

LMAOOOOO

[frozen rock]

@lusty grotto do you know if it's possible to show the IP percentage (the stack number of IP buff) instead of the buff duration