protection

[unkempt hazel]

[sharp gale]

whirlwind

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

He said he liked spear gameplay

[unkempt hazel]

lying through his teeth

[frosty mango]

Honestly the cooked builds are choice this tier

[coarse bay]

I mean spear kinda cool but

[lusty grotto]

its really hard to fuck up talents this season, but they def found a way

yeah roid 🤝

[unkempt hazel]

no tc is the funniest stuff ngl

[drowsy comet]

my DH´s are all 80 smh

[unkempt hazel]

plz tell me he went thane too

[lusty grotto]

pepega said he was

[drowsy comet]

thats what farming black Temple does to a mf... 😭

[lusty grotto]

so lol

[frosty mango]

Had a dude in heroic crown yesterday ask me how I was just doubling his damage and when I go look he had no apex talents, was playing colossus and never pressed revenge

[unkempt hazel]

[drowsy comet]

jesus...

[trail dome]

Anyone got a good video or similar on grouping the 1st pull of Seat? 👀 I'm wondering what better players than me do to minimise the charge from the champions.

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

Not like he specced out of apex

[lusty grotto]

just walk to them

[frosty mango]

Bro just had like, unused talents

[lusty grotto]

clap first, charge left, walk to right

[frosty mango]

Cross-cross

[lofty warren]

How does mt even work without thunder clap? I asked him why he didnt go colossus and he said he didnt like all the extra buttons

[plush tendon]

oh, big news lads

[lusty grotto]

do not charge right, or you get bled out

[plush tendon]

next week is 3 cata charge

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

[plush tendon]

with the +1 from 2k IO.... alts get insta 4 set

[tribal wharf]

i guess have to give them credit for trying something new?

[plush tendon]

[unkempt hazel]

cant u just farm them now

[coarse bay]

[frosty mango]

Once you get 4pc yes

[plush tendon]

Ive had 4 set on 3 toons since like week 1

but I care about the alts

[lusty grotto]

i thought that was fixed

[frosty mango]

But next week you don’t need to farm 4pc you just run a few 7s

[lusty grotto]

Pash whats the scoop

[coarse bay]

I think my shaman is all thats missing 4 pc

[plush tendon]

cata charges dont drop until you have 4 piece

the achievement is character specific

[lusty grotto]

yes yes we know

yes yes we know

[unkempt hazel]

just get 4p

[undone beacon]

[unkempt hazel]

do one raid, get one piece (just get lucky) and ur done

[lusty grotto]

ok so whats the big news

[plush tendon]

i was more pointing out that next week, a full fresh toon can get 4 set

without getting a tier drop

which is huge news for the alt army

[lofty warren]

[lusty grotto]

do you mean because of weekly charges?

[plush tendon]

yea

[lusty grotto]

ah ok gotcha

[unkempt hazel]

tbf im done with alts lol

[plush tendon]

3 weekly charges plus 2k IO

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

just have 3 toons

is enuff

[sharp gale]

@dusky canopy Reformed Happy

[undone beacon]

My Internet went out last night and I missed raid, including the guilds first mythic chim kill. Think it’s worth trying to pug a kill over the weekend or just fuck it who cares I’ll get it just week

[lofty warren]

My brew that I've been begrudgingly doing 8 keys a week on will get set

[frosty mango]

What if you’re a warrior who doesn’t have thunderclap and can’t make it to 2k

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

lmk ill go with you

[dusky canopy]

Arms owns

[unkempt hazel]

just get 2k without it

are you a warrior, or are you a thunder clap

[sharp gale]

i dont own yet on it, but i'm gonna try to, on paladins

[lofty warren]

Is it possible for a mt war without clap to time a 10?

[lusty grotto]

it could be

[unkempt hazel]

absolutely

[frosty mango]

Ngl have you seen our damage profile, we ain’t much without clap lol

[ornate palm]

If you are really worried about the charge, the first 3 packs don’t have casters and will come to you. You can just clap the first pack and pull the other two to you. Just have to be ready to grab them fast with shout or clap.

[lusty grotto]

season is pretty not hard

[unkempt hazel]

u can time a 10 with 30 deaths rn

lol

[dusky canopy]

Bro… I have puzzle box and let me tell you it comes up at the worst possible time on paladins

[ornate palm]

But also Nim.

[unkempt hazel]

I hate it on my pala so much

[lofty warren]

If ur playing war without clap there are probably other issues that would prevent you from timing a 10

[undone beacon]

I just keep hearing stories of people spending like 8 hours in chim pugs trying to kill and idk if I care enough to do that

[drowsy comet]

donit use it then, duh

[lusty grotto]

nah 8 hours fuck that

[frosty mango]

Based pepega arc is the best arc

[sharp gale]

im gonna go like this, minus i'll try to find another crit haste ring and pit neck

[unkempt hazel]

dont have alternatives rn

[drowsy comet]

hes legit the easiest raid boss out of all

[coarse bay]

Nah its not that bad

[unkempt hazel]

god reverse luck

[dusky canopy]

I was looking at the fight timings though and I think I can hold it about 15 seconds to have it align with Ava, demo, cs when all 3 bosses come together at like 2:20

[coarse bay]

Ive heard like 10-20 pulls from pugs

[unkempt hazel]

got box super early

would it kill them to make it at least cast on move

like my god

[plush tendon]

you playing arms on paladins?

[lusty grotto]

im so behind on gear

[dusky canopy]

Yes of course

[plush tendon]

our arms pumped that boss last night

and got benched for Crown

[lusty grotto]

no seat gloves, still champ belt, no hero box

no ring combo

[plush tendon]

partly my fault cause me swapping to warrior made his warrior buff no longer needed

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt hazel]

what a casual

istg

[lusty grotto]

curse my vacation!

[unkempt hazel]

prolly didnt even do your 200 m+ runs yet

[dusky canopy]

I’m so cursed though because I’m the 1/3 melee that got put in the healer soak so I don’t always get optimal uptime cooking my cdr…

[unkempt hazel]

this week I mean

[plush tendon]

broooo

[dusky canopy]

So some pulls I’m 3rd below hunters

[plush tendon]

tell them to put someone else there like a DK

[dusky canopy]

And other similar like 7th or 8th

[drowsy comet]

stylish af, but shit gear

[unkempt hazel]

I got lucky, got vacation right on launch

so was able to actually game for once

[sharp gale]

colossus arms mickey mousing 5 small CDs is cursed

[unkempt hazel]

my trinkets still ass tho

[dusky canopy]

It’s me arms, a WW, and a rogue so I don’t know why I got picked for it maybe just straw pull

[unkempt hazel]

champ rift eye and rep one lol

[sharp gale]

the reputation trinket is very fine

[unkempt hazel]

oh yeah have yet to find anything that oversims it

[plush tendon]

I was unlucky.... I was between jobs during pre patch... then started new job on release

[unkempt hazel]

on same lvl at least

[drowsy comet]

nah fuck DH, I dont wanna torture myself through leveling one rn, imma gear my pala now, 238 ilvl, havent touched him since pre season lmao

[unkempt hazel]

oof

[unkempt hazel]

heres a cat then

to ease your pain

[drowsy comet]

looks like the cat on your pfp

[unkempt hazel]

what a coincidence

[drowsy comet]

love being right 😎

[undone beacon]

Two people in my guild spent like 6 hours last week pugging it and that just sounds miserable

[sharp gale]

Im interested to play ww monk but leveling

[unkempt hazel]

me with hunter

im so over the leveling

[coarse bay]

Ya thats cooked, def depends on the pugs. I had a couple guildies get one in 13

[drowsy comet]

go retri pala, and we all make fun of you :D

[unkempt hazel]

maybe when tbc/classic/wotlk tw

cuz cata tw sucks balls

[drowsy comet]

retri palas are so cringe man...

[drowsy comet]

MOP is in 2 weeks

[sharp gale]

I will play paladin the day they can be gnome

[unkempt hazel]

ig mop tw is okay

[sharp gale]

It’s the best class of the game

[unkempt hazel]

beats cata 100%

[undone beacon]

Maybe I’ll try tonight. I’m just honestly so pissed at Verizon for fucking me. Plus a bunch of cloth dropped in VS too. Annoying af

[drowsy comet]

they cant? oof

[undone beacon]

Like I know it’s just gear and eventually we’ll all be drowning in it but man

[solid sun]

I’m gonna try to pug hero chim after work

[coarse bay]

Falling behind the curve sucks

[lusty grotto]

hit me up

ill tank or dps np

[unkempt hazel]

i tried during lunch at work lmao

[drowsy comet]

what did you try

[unkempt hazel]

curved only it said

half the raid kept messing up grps

love it

[solid sun]

I don’t have curve yet on anything

[undone beacon]

gotchu

[solid sun]

I’m gonna be sitting there applying for like 20 minutes

[coarse bay]

My warrior is already tanking a chim run but maybe i can gear my pally enough in time

[dusky canopy]

Do I qualify for AOTC if I’m 5/9M ?

[sharp gale]

Im glad my future ww monk will catch up myth tracks with voidcore forge

[dusky canopy]

[drowsy comet]

curved players have an ego for some reason...like bro nice that u cleared HC raid first week. but in a month nobody gives a shit lol

[plush tendon]

I dont even have AoTC

and Im on mythic Crown

[lusty grotto]

i dont have curve either

[undone beacon]

To clarify it’s mythic Chim not heroic Chim

[drowsy comet]

fuck aotc man

[plush tendon]

progging heroic Lura is such a waste of time

[coarse bay]

Ya we dont have curve

[drowsy comet]

that makes people toxic for no reason

wth

[unkempt hazel]

damn I got 2 curves

time to get an ego

[sharp gale]

Im on paladin, and im not aotc Lura

[solid sun]

Yo do we wanna set up an NA Skyhold run

[dusky canopy]

We killed heroic Lura last week just to unlock rings in the vault took like 10 pulls or less I think

[plush tendon]

good looks

[unkempt hazel]

havent tried lura yet tho

[plush tendon]

IDK if my RL wants to spend raid time on that

[frosty mango]

We need a skyhold guild

[sharp gale]

Your RL does 50 pages guides for fun brew

[plush tendon]

so might have to do it tonight as like a alt raid or something

[frosty mango]

Being all warriors may be a problem

[solid sun]

A lot of us aren’t even playing Warrior

[unkempt hazel]

when is the next +whatever tanks only happening

[drowsy comet]

thats descriminating towards EU people man

[solid sun]

Move to NA

On Azeroth

[drowsy comet]

pay it for me

[unkempt hazel]

we gon do our own eu skyhold run (its cooler)

[dusky canopy]

Hands down most efficient raiding experience I’ve had so far the guys raid leading is stellar

[lusty grotto]

certainly not tthis season, it needs a healer

[coarse bay]

Just play na with the ping

[unkempt hazel]

5 bdks then

[frosty mango]

5 warriors spamming bandage

Go

[unkempt hazel]

lol

[sharp gale]

Yeah, I will likely jump up after the tier bc I’m tired of bs in my WR

[solid sun]

APB needs to create the Skyhold guild

[sharp gale]

I accept splits in my heart now

And arms

[drowsy comet]

yea with 5 people...

[unkempt hazel]

[dusky canopy]

The gear acquisition speed with splits is hard to pass up

[frosty mango]

Think I might be cooked boys

[dusky canopy]

Once you have it losing it feels omega bad

[solid sun]

What did you do

[frosty mango]

I just spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why I have no sound before I remembered I was wearing my work headphones

[unkempt hazel]

cooked

[undone beacon]

[coarse bay]

[unkempt hazel]

wrap it up

[nova gorge]

Question on vanguard fight - we can stay on Bellamy the entire fight and not need co-tank to taunt her right? Only thing we need to do is Spell Reflect after the judgement, and then taunt Venel when their judgement goes out, and then co-tank taunts back after the Final Verdict? (sorry late to the Spell Reflect party)

[sharp gale]

It’s just I 90% will have to move to English guild, and it’s kinda scary

[lusty grotto]

no

100% no

[solid sun]

Did you forget your coffee, Roid

[lusty grotto]

tank swaps are that fight

literally

[unkempt hazel]

can u actually sr that

[dusky canopy]

I’m drinking coffee right now

Cheers

[solid sun]

Same

[lusty grotto]

you should SR sotr yes

[solid sun]

Cheers it up

[lusty grotto]

taunt -> reflect

[unkempt hazel]

wicked

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[dusky canopy]

Can taunt reflect exorcism too

[lusty grotto]

yup

[undone beacon]

I logged on and decided to check what dropped in mythic last night and now im just sad

[nova gorge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RL7D2XM1hbQmvw8P?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=64

I'm looking at logs from top warrior

[undone beacon]

Cloth legs, hands, wrists, and a gaze

[nova gorge]

they took all of bellamys judgements

[undone beacon]

fucking kms

[lusty grotto]

"top warrior" is cheesing

for parse

[nova gorge]

and all of bellamy's sotr

[unkempt hazel]

kek

[lusty grotto]

thats not how everyone else does it

[sharp gale]

boss dmg parse = enlightnment

[lusty grotto]

the other tank cannot live after several judgment sotr combo

this is not the way to beat the fight

its the way to get a high parse

[nova gorge]

I was just asking if it's possible to do the fight another way with prot. Seems like the answer is YES it is possible, but not recommended.

[lusty grotto]

also there were tank swaps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RL7D2XM1hbQmvw8P?fight=6&type=casts&source=64&ability=355

have you killed it?

if not, then do not concern yourself with how they are doing it

this does not apply to you

[unkempt hazel]

is there anything extra in mythic for tanks rn

too lazy to look it up

[dusky canopy]

Man I need a guidon so bad

This puzzle box is so cursed

[unkempt hazel]

DE it

the only proper way

[nova gorge]

Raid hasn't gotten there on mythic yet - and the way they did it is exactly how I framed it - Clapbee stayed on Bellamy, and taunted away Venel for the combo, other tank taunted back after FV went out on Clap.

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt

youre making it harder for your team

youre in prog, not parsing

understand what parse cheesing means

its not for prog, ever

[dusky canopy]

Puzzle box comes up right in the middle of all 3 bosses being stacked it’s like do I really want to cast that for 2 globals and lose the cleave..

So bad to raid with this box

[red sun]

Are there any good addons for tracking shield block now that weakauras are gone?

[lusty grotto]

the in-game CDM

[unkempt hazel]

as I learned, u can set it up in baseline ui now

[red sun]

Okay thank you!

[unkempt hazel]

idk how but I'll find out when I get home

[frosty mango]

Is there any addons that can make sound alerts based on resource level

[lusty grotto]

go into options and type "cooldown manager" in the top right search

and enable that

[unkempt hazel]

[frosty mango]

Ie - when you have 70+ rage. The base cdm doesn’t seem to have resource tracking

[red sun]

Thank you!

[coarse bay]

I want to say no, but i wouldnt be surprised

[fringe mural]

isn't parse cheesing bascially the same level of poor character as paying for a boost and then showing it off?

[coarse bay]

I mean not really

[fringe mural]

Unless you have a sponsor

then maybe

[frosty mango]

Much like my last endeavor I assume it isn’t possible but I’ll try to make one anyway

[coarse bay]

When bosses are on farm some guilds will play around a few people parsing and take turns

[fringe mural]

Yeah but why

[coarse bay]

For fun

[lusty grotto]

parse cheesing isnt really in that level

[lofty warren]

Ppl have done some mega degen stuff to get high parses like have 10 priests pi you and mega pad

[frosty mango]

That doesn’t work

[coarse bay]

Ya i mean it isnt usually a cheese

[frosty mango]

Multiple PIs invalidate your parse

[lofty warren]

Chinese were doing it back in the day

[coarse bay]

Ya i think 3 pis is limit or something

[lofty warren]

Before it invalided

[coarse bay]

Chinese parses are cursed

If u look

Ive seen them somehow condensed down and theyre casting tons of abilities at same time

[nova gorge]

I'm not sure how spell reflecting is parse cheesing, is using battle pots and avatar parse cheesing? It's using the toolkit of the class and the mechanics of the fight to your benefit.

[coarse bay]

And im talking in mfo

[lusty grotto]

holding the boss is parse cheesing, not spell reflecting, SRing is just natural in there

[fringe mural]

Okay i get it people are bored when they have to farm and stuff, but i think there's enough people who don't do it 'just for fun'

but rather to show it off

[coarse bay]

Probably, but it’s the same as any amount of accomplishment someone gets from a leaderboard. Epeen

[lofty warren]

In shadowlands i had a bunch of brew parses in the top 20-30. My jailer one was like #4 at one point and I wasn't doing any degen stuff to game the system. Want getting pi and no special strats just push buttons

[lusty grotto]

look man, if you wanna do it that way and feel like your guild can make it work, then go for it, but my worry is that you do not understand why parse cheese is not really the way you go for prog

looking at top logs, and identifying parse cheese is important

[lofty warren]

Its possible to get high parse without cheese

[lusty grotto]

because youre making assumptions on how to beat the fight based on that parse cheese log

and if youve done heroic, you should understand why its parse cheesing

[fringe mural]

in my opinion there's valid and invalid epeen

but that's just an opinion of course

[lusty grotto]

also they have double prot warrior

which means it just works

if you do not have a double prot warrior comp

[coarse bay]

Yup, everyone has their standards. If i was in a position to go for top logs im sure i would

[lusty grotto]

your other tank will get deleted

maybe BDKs can live

im sure AMS negates sotr

[drowsy comet]

can it be that Wowhead class guides are mostly tuned for damage instead of surviability? saw a reddit post where someone analyzed exactly that apparently and compared logs

[fringe mural]

oh no

not that again

[drowsy comet]

nono dont get me wrong

[lusty grotto]

this is just bait

[drowsy comet]

i am most likely waay to late to the party, but how true is it?

[lusty grotto]

its bait, and im not gonna address it

[coarse bay]

It isnt

[lofty warren]

You can watch a dorkie YouTube video where he talks about what he says is an issue between the simmers/discord ppl and real life on identifying what is best

[drowsy comet]

true Dorki exists too, yea

[coarse bay]

Tbf ive seen the bears sitting there trying to squeeze the biggest sims they could, and it seemed to be more for fun.

[plush tendon]

Having just progged this fight, these are the things we did. My off tank was in charge of moving the bosses out for Auras. I got plenty of reflects for SoTR and Excorsicm (but you need to be carful cause they can sync up)

[nova gorge]

I was never advocating for NOT swapping ever - in the condition I was lining up Tank A (Warrior) Tank B (Non-Warrior). Tank A stays on bellamy and SR after judgement goes out. Tank A taunts Venel after judgement is cast on Tank B, Tank B taunts Venel back after Final Verdict is cast on Tank A. Swap is still happening for Tank B to not tank the combo alone, it's just min-maxing damage on Bellamy.

[fringe mural]

aren't you tuned for dmg today?

[lofty warren]

Problem is that something lkke a cheat death isnt going to show up high on sim but its value is very high so if you only look at sim then ur led to believe to not pick cheat death

[plush tendon]

the only time I 'held' Bellemy for both judge and SoTR was when Hpal was doing Aura and we had Ret and Prot

since they do a quick back to back Judge and SoTR

[lusty grotto]

if you can manage it, then go for it

[coarse bay]

Thats a different thing than what the post was about

[plush tendon]

you can honestly prob milk more damage by reflecting excorcism and just doing the Prot Pal/Ret Pal normal

[lofty warren]

Whats the reddit post?

[fringe mural]

What would be your recommendation to start with if i have no clue about any dungeon and want to aim for +10

[nova gorge]

A question on SR in general, since Judgement isn't able to be reflected/blocked, if you use SR before the judgement lands, will the reflect still be available for the SoTR?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[plush tendon]

yes

[fringe mural]

i mean i know pit and skyreach from back in the day

[jagged pier]

just w

[plush tendon]

the thing to watch out for is if you have the Hpal on you; the excorism can happen at the same time as SoTR/Verdict

eat your Reflect

[lofty warren]

Stuff so easy you can start at like a 7 or 8 but then go to 10 right away. Just w

[fringe mural]

w until i hit the wall?

[plush tendon]

and then you get hit by the SoTR/Verdict

[lusty grotto]

yup augusto is right

[jagged pier]

sure then u know not to go that way

[fringe mural]

okay ty

[plush tendon]

I've died to that

[jagged pier]

then w until u hit the next wall

[plush tendon]

had to get used to it

[nova gorge]

good call

[fringe mural]

sound advice

[coarse bay]

It was a claim that guide builds are 100% offensive and take little to no survivability into account, which is wrong. Nim is right about not bothering with it and u can search for it if u want

[lusty grotto]

im not bothering with lil gup mentioning month old shit

the reddit post is just a reddit post, that tells you all you need to know

its always out of touch for tanks

and its DH focused

[plush tendon]

its DH and Prot Pal focused

[lofty warren]

Ohh well they have at take defensiveness into account at least a little.

[plush tendon]

which is silly

XD

[nova gorge]

I'm not trying to "cheese" things for parse btw, I'm just trying to min/max my class since there isn't much else to do besides living in fights and doing mechanics.

[plush tendon]

its not a cheese

[lusty grotto]

im not accusing you of cheesing

youre still not seeing my point

[plush tendon]

I just wouldnt try to min max the reflect potential

especially for prog

[nova gorge]

I understand you're saying that I'm making things more complicated than they need to be for prog*

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

I 100% missed out on some reflect stonks on our kill pull

but its fine, cause it died and I didnt die

[nova gorge]

Yeah, I'll need to get a feel for when those alignments happen - was it around the same time each pull or is there variance on the overlap of casts?

[plush tendon]

I dont have the time stamps in front of me

it was later in the fight though

another thing to keep in mind... the HPal is a menance to move around

shell stand there and just perma cast excorcism

and then cast her long channel

[solid sun]

@frosty mango when are you carrying me this weekend

[blissful pecan]

There’s only 1 specific combo where the exorcism casts line up with tank combo. The bigger issue is running out the bosses will get annoying doing weird swapping logic

[nova gorge]

Reading the spell in the journal, it does say that "Senn exorcises her current target" I assume that means that if the other tank is holding Senn, you won't be targeted with the Exorcism.

[plush tendon]

idk, the Reflect tech simplified a lot of our taunt swaps

[lusty grotto]

correct

[plush tendon]

but me and my co-tank got that down super fast

I think the one weird thing we had to do was when Hpal came back from doing her ult she does a insta shield channel

I had to use taunt on the Ret Paladin to take verdict, the brewmaster taunted the Prot Pal to get ready to take her out (and also take SoTR)

but I would have to leap taunt the Hpal off the brew

so he could bring the Prot Pal out for her ult

and not drag the Hpal with him

[lofty warren]

In skyreach why do the 3 birds after boss 1 hit harder than all the bosses in dungeon combined?

[nova gorge]

magic bleed that stacks, I usually throw out a Shockwave to reset stacks.

and then heroic leap away for another reset if needed.

[coarse bay]

Go left

[lofty warren]

Spell reflect dr works on it? Dwarf doesnt remove

[coarse bay]

I went right because i did in wod

And it hurt me

[nova gorge]

Yeah Dwarf doesn't remove it unfortunately. Not sure why it isn't coded as a bleed or magic.

[solid sun]

I think I accidentally finished my work already

What the heck

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

Now I’m gonna have to spend so much time at the office

Maybe I can sneak some wow time in between emails and invoices

[lusty grotto]

just back pedal

dont leap out

[plush tendon]

the bleed from those birds hurt; but slows/stuns/cc work really well

they have a really short duration

[solid sun]

Isn’t the debuff like one tick?

[lusty grotto]

watch the debuff, and when its about to run out, then stun

[plush tendon]

so its easy to drop stacks

[lofty warren]

I got up to 19 stacks in a +15 key and I figured id be fine with a shield wall and sb but I saw my hp go from 60% to 0 instantly

[lusty grotto]

it stacks

[solid sun]

Yeh I’m just thinking even with stacks it’s just like a big burst tick right

[unkempt hazel]

after dying to the right one like on 3 separate occasions I too realized that perhaps im wrong

[lofty warren]

Even without going right of left those 3 birds at the top of the stairs are the ones who give you special bleed that dwarf doesnt fix

[lusty grotto]

its most def not a single tick

[unkempt hazel]

its like 2-3 seconds

short but yeah more than 1 tick

[lusty grotto]

its 2 ticks

[frosty mango]

Sadly I am in Washington this weekend for work

[lusty grotto]

2s duration

[frosty mango]

Forced to be social

[lusty grotto]

tick every second

[unkempt hazel]

just 2s but so scary

[lusty grotto]

so 2-3 ticks is right

[unkempt hazel]

blood dks should be immune to bleeds

🗣️

[solid sun]

Why

[unkempt hazel]

cuz... they're all about... nvm

[shrewd elm]

sorry for such a noob question, but are we supposed to have 100% uptime on shield block?

[lofty warren]

Block values pwars get for physical should work the same on magic and bleeds toi

[lusty grotto]

as close to as possible

[solid sun]

If anything they should be more susceptible to bleeds because they’re like a plump mosquito

[lusty grotto]

90%+ effective uptime minimum

[crisp mango]

Hey, not to interfere but does any1 know if there is an updated sheet on blockable / reflectable spell for midnight, similar to the one for tww?

[lusty grotto]

its pinned

the maxroll link

[unkempt hazel]

nah its more so they control blood

just unbleed

[lusty grotto]

there is no blockable sheet

[unkempt hazel]

simple

[lusty grotto]

just reflect

[crisp mango]

Big Ups mate!

[unkempt hazel]

bleed should give warriors more ap

[fringe mural]

you mean like berserk?

[shrewd elm]

thanks i suck at it haha need more practice!

[unkempt hazel]

basically lol

[lusty grotto]

swap Into the Fray with Heavy Repercussions if you do not have 1188 haste rating

otherwise youre shooting yourself in the foot

when it comes to SB uptime and effective uptime

[fringe mural]

well we do have that kinda

death wish, pvp talent

take dmg, deal more dmg

[lusty grotto]

what

[fringe mural]

i think it's a fury thing

[lusty grotto]

what are you talking about

[lofty warren]

How does warrior block value interact with magic damage?

[fringe mural]

oh i answered the wrong guy

[lusty grotto]

ohhh

[fringe mural]

i was talking to big cheese

sry

[crisp mango]

Wait Crown of the Cosmos, the grasp of emptiness is reflectable? Doesn't that mean warr should hold boss the whole time in p2 on mythic? Any1 know if this is viable?

[royal nimbus]

Thought they fixed that

[blissful pecan]

It’s a dps mechanic and it would be very bad to reflect on mythic

[lusty grotto]

i think youre confusing it with aspect

not you, chuckles

jacronym is confusing it

[crisp mango]

Ahh yeah got really excited lol. Tyty

Not much interesting to reflect then this tier other than paladins

[nova gorge]

In M+ there's final boss of Skyreach you can reflect their casts.

[lusty grotto]

should be on the sheet, is it not?

[nova gorge]

Yeah it's all in the sheet

[lusty grotto]

kk

[nova gorge]

Colossal Strikes for big add during Chimaerus as well. 136,000 dmg each time isn't nothing.

[fringe mural]

your deeds glorify me

blizz are just sadistic

you want to get abundance? go hear him saying the same shit 10000 times

[nova gorge]

Is there a good way to figure out who has threat on what boss (for log review purposes) now that Blizzard has cooked addons/details/etc? The "Threat" tab in WCL doesn't really tell me much.

[lusty grotto]

mostly target of target / nameplates

in logs, its mostly playing with the replay

[nova gorge]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

afaik there's no real way to determine threat/agro

except by looking at the target of the npc's attacks

[nova gorge]

Yeah - replay shows target of current boss selected at the very least.

[lusty grotto]

and in the cases where that does not happen -> taunt casts

[fringe mural]

can you check who took autoattack dmg?

at what time

[lusty grotto]

thats precisely what i meant

[nova gorge]

appreciate it

[plush tendon]

in real time, could you set focus target

[fringe mural]

okay, i thought there was a way to see who was targeted

[plush tendon]

and also enable focus, focus target

or whatever its called

[fringe mural]

or was that what you ment by playing with the replay

[fringe mural]

yeah i saw that

[nova gorge]

Yeah I'm set for real time - I've got my frames setup to show targets, etc. I was only asking initially for log review purposes, for seeing how others are doing things, etc. Nimchip pointed me in a few different ways to figure it out (melees taken from a boss & replay)

[drowsy comet]

lowkey Delves are quite insane for gearing alts

[plush tendon]

delves are great content

I like em to fill vault slots on alts

do the magic 4 keys on them

and 2 delves

or 4 delves and 1 key

nothing worse then having a 1 vault choice, not getting anything good and getting 1/3 of a socket

[quiet matrix]

For ITF do I need 1188 before Flask or is it fine to use it if I get 1200 with the Flask

[lusty grotto]

ideally before flask

[quiet matrix]

Fak Im like 30 short 🤣

[lusty grotto]

then try ITF out, if you dont have gaps then keep it

[lunar haven]

Sorry for basic question (hard to know what is up-to-date):

How do the Hero trees compare rn? Looking to push M+ 15~~~

[lusty grotto]

the second you see a gap, go HR until you have more than 1188 haste rating

1188 is not a stopping point

we keep going haste

just an FYI

[quiet matrix]

Thanks

[lusty grotto]

compare rn to...?

[quiet matrix]

Im also with Heart of Wind trinket, so Haste should in theory go up c:

[lunar haven]

eachother

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean each other

[nova gorge]

btw, I just ran the numbers on the cheese parse we were talking about before (Paladins) - and the top parse actually left about 10million damage off the table by overusing defensives for when the SoTR went out. By using Shield Wall, you actually reduce the amount of damage you're reflecting back as well.

[lusty grotto]

what are we comparing to

[quiet matrix]

I think he is asking Thane vs Colossus maybe

[plush tendon]

what a dumbass

[nova gorge]

[lusty grotto]

oh i read Apex for some reason

[lunar haven]

ah! i see

[nova gorge]

thanks, needed a good laugh

[lusty grotto]

right now Thane is over Colossus by around 1.2k dps more or less

so they are relatively close

[lunar haven]

tyty

Defensively the same?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[plush tendon]

my mythic parses ares so fucky this tier

[lusty grotto]

Thane is just easier to play

[plush tendon]

what am I missing

[lusty grotto]

splits

and split gearing

[nova gorge]

You've got me beat in bosses taken down, which is the only thing that matters.

[lusty grotto]

thats what you're missing

[plush tendon]

my toon is pretty geared

its really just like, why is my imperator and Chim so bad?

do I need to pad on adds or something?

[lusty grotto]

are you sac tank?

[nova gorge]

You need to start on boss, and get adds each time

[lusty grotto]

are you reflecting big add?

[plush tendon]

no

[nova gorge]

for imperator maxxing

[lusty grotto]

imperator you need to be add tank for sure

[plush tendon]

ah.... yea, we dont do that

[lusty grotto]

or no parsing

[plush tendon]

we just vibe and see what happens XD

there is legit no plan for that fight

I think first half I end up being add tank

and second half (after the dance) im boss tank

[lusty grotto]

just start on the boss

and youll be add tank every time

basically what TomiVasek said

[nova gorge]

my co-tank asks me to do adds each time and I still haven't got above 82. I assume sometimes it comes down to SS procs as well?

[lusty grotto]

unless WCL goes nuclear on adds... which this season seems to be highly unlikely

because literally every fight has adds

[jagged pier]

they may do eventually

[lusty grotto]

we'll have to see

[jagged pier]

but u would have to save cds for adds if u want to parse right now

[plush tendon]

im not too much of a parser.... i just like to have them all be purple

[nova gorge]

we barely meet our DPS check to kill the add, so I line up my Avatar for each add phase

[plush tendon]

because purple is a cool color

[jagged pier]

[tardy abyss]

I believe I have a 85 on Averzian without doing adds

Ah 81

[toxic pewter]

honestly warcraftlogs should just remove adds from that fight

[tardy abyss]

Yup

On the first 4 bosses they should

[drowsy comet]

https://x.com/Wowhead/status/2042628675602948503?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Make sure to check out M33kauras, a fork of Weakauras, which is being used by raiding guilds to help their progression!

#Midnight #Warcraft

https://t.co/hWMDX1N9w1

X · Apr 10, 2026, 3:40 PM

bruh

like people really this down bad, doing everything to get a knock off weakaura version?

[sharp gale]

@dusky canopy is it normal I do negative dmg on dungeon bosses ?

[pastel summit]

I want my UI back.

[fringe mural]

yes

[pastel summit]

Their changes were stupid and did nothing.

Just like everybody said 6 months ago.

[undone beacon]

Our RL made us all download m33kauras and NSRT workaround bullshit and im unhappy about it

[pastel summit]

I die in arena, pull up the recap to see what killed me and I get the breakdown of a guy who died in my key an hour ago.

[jagged pier]

why like every mechanics is very clearly braodcast?

[drowsy comet]

m33kauras isnt on curseforge lmao, how did you download it then?

[fringe mural]

in cataclysm, there was the nefarian fight where you needed to pull the adds away so he won't revive them with his breath

[undone beacon]

Something something kick orders for salhadaar

[sharp gale]

GitHub

[drowsy comet]

lmaoooooooooooooo

[fringe mural]

people were unable to do that without a timer showing them when he would do the breath

[drowsy comet]

no way

xD

[undone beacon]

You do it like the old days, download it from github and manually install it

[sharp gale]

?

[pastel summit]

[drowsy comet]

didnt mean to reply xd

[fringe mural]

there was about a week or two where dbm didnt show the timer

people were going drazy that week

utter chaos

[pastel summit]

Teaching a whippersnapper how to manually locate their addons folder (they thought they needed curseforge to use addons).

[drowsy comet]

instead that people learn a boss mechanic, they rather use a knock off version of weakaura... ICANT

[fringe mural]

it was embarassing

[drowsy comet]

this is just cringe ngl

[sharp gale]

Which boss mechanic ?

[pastel summit]

Isn't that a trinket tracker

[sharp gale]

Bc the lura mini game/kicks in mythic is designed as we have a weakaura

[jagged pier]

that it and it doesnt need tracking

cause its ither in crit or mastery

and surely u know what u put it in

[pastel summit]

Oh, no, that's the debuff nvm

[mighty valley]

blizzard should've just held the line and nuked everything

this one-foot-in version is the worst of all worlds imo

[pastel summit]

I liked doing content and asking my healer if they could get me

and it's a debuff that isn't on their default frames

that's real cool

[drowsy comet]

Communication, problem solved. People need an addon for everything atp

[sharp gale]

They can’t, community used the accessibility reason

[undone beacon]

idk if they nuked shit like AlterEgo I'd be very upset

[sharp gale]

You do not even conceive it

[pastel summit]

Ignorant statement.

Even Blizz isn't that stupid.

[lusty grotto]

they should have, if they could design fights without so much stupid shit like dispellables and assignments

but looking at l'ura, they cant

[mighty valley]

the current version of "you can do just about everything you used to be able to, it's just less accessible to average players" is just a flat step down to me

[pastel summit]

PvPers get mad about there being spell alerts when people got them specifically because finding 1 buff in a pile of auras was terrible

Game is awful visually in a lot of areas

[lusty grotto]

yeah debuff/buff filtering should have been absolute baseline

[sharp gale]

5 kicks x 3 on rotating targets

[lusty grotto]

[pastel summit]

Yeah, blizz being like dw we'll whitelist stuff

and they let you track cdless abilities on cd manager

but neglected to add some major cds

gets fixed with time but

[lusty grotto]

should've been first and foremost

but hey

lesson learned

[drowsy comet]

watch blizzrd allowing weakauras again, their goal is completely irrelevant now that m33kauras is around. Like the whole point of removing weakauras was to make bosses easier, so ppl dont have ot use them. What are they even doing on that point lol, either be strict and kill these addons, or dont and allow normal weakauras, becaue people dont seem to be able to play without an addon telling them to kick or the Lura symbol encounter. Now you even use more addons anyway, idk man but they dont know what they are doing

[mighty valley]

let me amend: in a perfect world, blizzard would've taken more time to improve their in-house replacements for addons before taking a firmer step towards restricting what addons could do

[undone beacon]

is there a lesson learned though

[pastel summit]

Feels like when elon bought twitter and purged a bunch of shit and over a few months learned why they had it and turned it back on

[lusty grotto]

that i can agree with

[pastel summit]

At the end of the day I wish the devs would just be like whoops this was very dumb

[lusty grotto]

won't happen

[pastel summit]

game would be bis if addons didn't exist at all but

realistically never happens

[drowsy comet]

I know

[sharp gale]

Tbf Lura is the only one where it’s cringe

[fiery spindle]

the entire addon shit was entirely avoidable if they just stuck to only nerfing addon effectiveness in combat like they said they would but they're too fucking stupid to even just do that and now we have weakauras 2 and other shit again since they want to design bosses like l'ura still and expect players to just yolo it without any assignment helpers

[sharp gale]

Current paladins don’t need dispel WA anymore

[fiery spindle]

or like what harrow said, they could have also refined their in house replacements better before nuking everything and did it slowly over time

[mighty valley]

god imagine rwf lura p1 if they had to voice comms memory game every time

[fiery spindle]

like

what the fuck are they doing

this middle road shit is so insanely cringe

[sharp gale]

I think that’s exactly what they are doing currently

[fiery spindle]

and we're right back to where we were

[lusty grotto]

assignment fights work in ffxiv because its 8 man and shit is clearly marked

[fiery spindle]

with l'ura

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt work on 20 man when there's some variance

[fiery spindle]

well it definitely needed way more time in the oven

[sharp gale]

And you have a second monitor

[lusty grotto]

ehh no

[drowsy comet]

They could rework the symbol phase and make it differently or something, but even the fact that "m33kauras" is a thing is just wild

[lusty grotto]

well i mean sure if you have the raidplan up on the 2nd monitor ig, but you memorize those really easily

[sharp gale]

The 4 min whatever phase of current savage end boss ?

[lusty grotto]

blizzard just has a hardon on making assignments a thing you coordinate on the fly, that shit doesn't work on a 20 man, there's too many people, too many callouts, too many mechs to accomodate all 20 people

[sharp gale]

But it’s not bad, I just want to point FF14 is not free of these

[drowsy comet]

the addon purge was rushed, and it clearly shows 🤷🏻

[lusty grotto]

afaik thats just a limit cut, and can be memorized

after 2 prog attempts you just memorize placements etc

either way, im not hurting for WAs or havent been

[pastel summit]

could've spread it out over the whole expac would've still been terrible

[lusty grotto]

the only one that at best needs it is l'ura

[pastel summit]

i go to type to somebody in a key and i cant cos addons communicate via channels in combat

like oh cool nice

[sharp gale]

But : I don’t mind current situation bc it hits only ppl like me

For raid WAs

So 🤷‍♂️

[pastel summit]

i get to lose addons ive had for a decade and a half because some 40 year old dudes who have to buy aotc didn't like feeling pressured into spending 30 seconds downloading a weakaura pack every 6 months for content they weren't gonna do

[lusty grotto]

what im just giggling at is the fact that WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE RELIED ON WAs for everything

it shows

[pastel summit]

sorry, importing

i mean idc about weakaura alerts i just liked my class stuff

cdm is awful

[lusty grotto]

and im not saying that as someone that didnt use WAs, i did, its just stupid funny too see how much reliance was on them

[mighty valley]

the annoying part is that when the addons still exist, no matter how awkward, rando pugs and baby tyrant raid leaders insist they're necessary

[sharp gale]

You need to see the downfall of my roster when it comes to know when you have a debuff

[pastel summit]

so funny to lose options and customization for no reason

to appease people to cant do the content regardless

[lusty grotto]

the average WoW player simply cannot adapt

[drowsy comet]

They had to do something, obviously. But with things like MiniCC, M33kauras, BliZzinterrupt, and all these things that would be considered as secret information, just shows how desperate the community is, Blizzard either kills all of these addons, or the whole weakaura purge was useless as it still continues, with a cheap version of it

[pastel summit]

did they

did they really have to do anything

[sharp gale]

They wants to, only thing they need

[pastel summit]

ya their vision is what they followed

[drowsy comet]

the average wow player is playing without addons, uses standard interface, doesnt do M+ and only does Raids at best, and is 30, bald, and has a family to feed

[pastel summit]

didnt get much benefit out of it

[sharp gale]

And end goal is good

[lusty grotto]

youre dead wrong

lil gup you have 0 experience

you litearlly just started playing yesterday

[drowsy comet]

im just waiting for Bellular to be making a video about m33kauras and then the whole thing gets more and more public, so Blizzard may hear of this and maybe change something, or they dont and let it be

[undone beacon]

what bothers me more than anything about WAs being kill is the sheer amount of single-use addons I have to install to claw back some of the custom UI elements I had. What was a WA or WA pack before is now a standalone addon that introduces problems into the ecosystem. Its just cumbersome

[drowsy comet]

Only because Im not playing WoW for over a decade, doesnt mean I am completely clueless about anything. Whats your point??

[lusty grotto]

thats precisely my point

especially the 30 y/o that doesn't use addons statement

if factually wrong

[round cliff]

feels like im the only person i know who was more than content with just having cdm centered

now i need private auras from bigwigs n shit again

hate

[lusty grotto]

youre not alone

[sharp gale]

I have bcdm, platy and ressource sensei for UI

[mighty valley]

whenever i've talked to blizzard people who have data on wow players, they basically say "there is no average wow player, there are tons of different types of players, and many of them will completely baffle you" lol

[drowsy comet]

the average wow player is simple, and most likely not even on reddit, discord or whatever

[drowsy comet]

why both sensei and bcdm?

[lusty grotto]

no

let the adults talk

[sharp gale]

whirlwind stacks

As fury

[drowsy comet]

lmfao

[round cliff]

i use the stock icon for this too

[drowsy comet]

ah i see

[sharp gale]

I tried the icon but I’m too used on ww stacks being a secondary ressource bar

[lusty grotto]

shrug i only use Ayije and WWT

[sharp gale]

WWT bugged too much for me

[lusty grotto]

weirdge

works fine for me

[round cliff]

raid lead made me re-enable nsrt to have timers for shout

:(

[undone beacon]

I dont like nsrt

[jagged pier]

but timers are in the base game

[sharp gale]

It would not track WW stacks on vorasius if it was source of hitting the boss, or dragons p3

[drowsy comet]

WWT? what dis

[sharp gale]

Whirlwind Tracker

[drowsy comet]

or is it an own addon for WW tracking?

oh

[sharp gale]

An addon only for ww, to make it a bar

[undone beacon]

Single use addons my beloved

[drowsy comet]

[round cliff]

if only we had an addon to aggregate these smaller, "weaker" addons

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

lets all just be glad we dont have to do Echo of Nelth, Smolderon, Broodtwister, Sproket/1AB, Fractillus WeakAura troubleshooting ever again

good riddance

[sharp gale]

The dude who made it is doggo, m+ timer and plumber was never meant to be removed

[undone beacon]

Bro the amount of time spent trying to get peoples shit to work on STIX

nightmare

[round cliff]

brother the healer core are constantly bickering over all their frames showing something different because they all use something weird

[lusty grotto]

every single fucking time we had to stop because someone had some janked up WA garbage shit, i wanted to just eat a small metallic projectile

[undone beacon]

"i cant see my ball assignment" kms

[round cliff]

it's never leaving

[lusty grotto]

ah yes i forgot stix

[round cliff]

stix is the common sense boss

auto fail for all wow players

[sharp gale]

I got used to it, so it stopped bothering me

first 30 min of pulls wasted bc WA that was normal for me

[drowsy comet]

healers nowadays use Dandersframes and Clique, pretty much the core for Healing. Cell is being worked on, but Danders is miles ahead and does an insanely good job

[lusty grotto]

ngl but I actually liked stix as a fight, if only it wasnt for WA garbage...

[sharp gale]

I tanked stix, and I liked doing balls

[lusty grotto]

it was aids as melee but the fight was fun

well, melee heavy comps i mean

[sharp gale]

My cotank took some pulls before he understood how important boss movement was, to not kill all melees each fire set

[drowsy comet]

i recently came across that people people somehow made an little videogame inside an addon called Peggles? Did some research and apparently healers used it to not get bored lol

seems to be like a bloon towerdefense kinda game or something

i know that it works in classic

[mental vector]

Hi guys. I was away the whole week, anyone knows if the healing bug is still happening or is it fixed?

[lusty grotto]

havent had someone complain about it in a minute

[sharp gale]

Well, the use of Clique today is mostly bc no one knows it’s in the base game

[lusty grotto]

so its likely it was fixed?

idk it never happened to me, the only regular that got hit by it was Yogi

i dont think any other regular here got slapped by it

so hard to say

[mental vector]

Alright, thanks anyway. I'll try it then and let you guys know

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile me healing keys without issue with just default UI

[lusty grotto]

griff always a

[coarse bay]

I dont believe the ingame system allows the use of mouse click binding, and it requires you to use a modifier afaik instead of straight binds

But my warrior doesnt use any click casting

So

[lusty grotto]

wasnt cell updated

why use clique at all

[sharp gale]

Idk I use it for rejuvenation on button 4 / swiftmend on button 5 and things on shift + button 4

[coarse bay]

Mouse click: left mouse, right mouse

[sharp gale]

Button 1/2 of the mouse

[coarse bay]

Afaik no

[lusty grotto]

you sure?

[coarse bay]

I think the one working wasnt done by the dev

But maybe he got to it

I havent checked for a little bit

Just been rocking default

[vivid rapids]

what enchants are you guys using? Wowheads enchant page is giving me a 404 error

[lusty grotto]

use icy-veins

we dont support wowhead anymore

[vivid rapids]

XD why

[undone beacon]

We dont have an active pwarr guide writer

[lusty grotto]

cause we dont have a writer for it

[solid sun]

No drama

Just Nome retired to go sunbathing

[coarse bay]

[drowsy comet]

No

[jagged pier]

gotta sunwax

[drowsy comet]

And Clique ppl use for mouseover cast. Faster to assign and works just fine with danders

[coarse bay]

Less healer talk in here

[lusty grotto]

mouseover doesnt need addons

you can just macro or use the mouseover default shit

[drowsy comet]

Every healer I know uses either Danders or Grid2, but Danders has more customization options and even lets you design auras

[coarse bay]

Danders is also demanding, i stopped using it after a single raid night

Maybe i unlucked

[drowsy comet]

Macroing every spell takes decades and the ingame mouseover idk anyone uses. As Danders basically uses their own frames instead of skinning the default ones

[lusty grotto]

it does not

i did it on all my healers because i refused to use fucking vuhdo

youre just lazy

[dusky canopy]

Yeah colossus ST struggles without any funnel mobs

[drowsy comet]

not lazy, time efficient

[dusky canopy]

Anytime there’s funnel though you’re doing 120k 😂

[lusty grotto]

ctrl + c -> ctrl + v -> right click spell or type it down, macro done

[sharp gale]

Okok I’m spamming pit for the neck, and on the big guy I’m at like 52 k I was considering I’m absolute trash

[lusty grotto]

500% lazy

[solid sun]

Ain't no way I'm downloading new WA's.

If Jakey doesn't need it, I don't need it

[lusty grotto]

or or....

[minor crown]

Hi, sorry for bothering yall, shadow priest here.

My guilds prot warrior is sitting 90% of the time in battle stance, instead of defensive stance when raiding with us.

Now, i don't main tank and have only really dabbled in blood dk for M+

but is it really.... like... actually a preferred stance to be in as a tank?

I didnt want to critique his decision too deeply because i dont play the class,
so wanted to ask you guys ^^

[sinful copper]

Guys in skyreach that apply flame talons stacks are dangerous for warrior? It kept getting to 12+ stacks on me and did 200k+ per second

[dusky canopy]

No that’s good dps honestly, for Colo

[lusty grotto]

he should be in Dstance unless hes not actively tanking

[sinful copper]

Do I need to kite/cc to drop stacks frequently?

[lusty grotto]

backpedal

[sharp gale]

Doesn’t work

[solid sun]

@minor crown is he dying?

[orchid mural]

what level of content?

[drowsy comet]

Clique is simpler and faster, Click spell, press the keybind button, and bind it. You can be an OG and write macros for every spell you wanna use. But like I said, ppl use Clique for the most part

[lusty grotto]

good for them

i thought most people didnt use addons

but hey what do i know

[minor crown]

it is only heroic, but he has died on more than one occasion

[lusty grotto]

CHECKMATE

[undone beacon]

Put him back in dstance smh

[minor crown]

so i wanted to do my due diligence and do some research before confronting him

[dusky canopy]

Macro enjoyer here 👋

[orchid mural]

Yeah, slap him upside the head and tell him never to leave Dstance if he is dying to heroic mechs

[lusty grotto]

tell him to be in D stance when actively tanking, if the other tank grabs boss he can swap while hes not getting hit

[solid sun]

idk are you the raid leader

[sharp gale]

If he dies, you are allowed to jump on him on his bstance gameplay

[lusty grotto]

but dying in heroic is hard

[dusky canopy]

Prot warrior in dstance with stance mastery practically immortal

[lusty grotto]

idk how he manages that, probably more going on than just stances

[undone beacon]

Honestly stance-dancing in raid is really only needed if you're trying to parse chimp. Otherwise you can sit dstance and be 100% fine

[solid sun]

He probably isn't even dying because of bstance

[sharp gale]

Most death are swap related

But imo if he doesn’t die bc bstance or his hp are not bdk like 🤷‍♂️

[drowsy comet]

I was speaking about healers that I know, and do M+ and Mythic Raid etc. Many Healers even say that the blizzard standard stuff is terrible and quite unplayable depending on what content you do. And as a healer per sé, you need a clear vision and clean frames. Look how clunky all buffs/debuffs etc look on the standard frame. Literally ass. Danders and Grid let you customize all dat

[lusty grotto]

https://klipy.com/gifs/text-qXc

[solid sun]

I would not confront someone about what stance they're in because they died a couple times until I knew why the person died

Maybe you could make the log anonymous and then post it so we can see why they died

[drowsy comet]

[lusty grotto]

sorry rhino

i would confront him

but also check the deaths at the same time

[sharp gale]

I would confront him yes

[lusty grotto]

check SB effective uptime, etc, the usual

[solid sun]

Nah because if he's playing like a doofus and he switches stances and still ends up dying he's jus gonna be like seeeeeee the stance doesn't matter

And then right back to bstance still dying

[sharp gale]

But if no death or no dk health bar, no confront

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[coarse bay]

Id ask him to stay dstance

[lusty grotto]

i get what youre saying but

is he parsing?

cause if hes rocking that grey number, the fuck are you in battle stance like an idiot?

[unkempt hazel]

how does one move cooldown manager lol

[jagged pier]

who cares about parsing during prog?

[lusty grotto]

edit mode

[unkempt hazel]

theres nothing

[jagged pier]

battle stance also not gunna get u anything really

[lusty grotto]

check cooldown manager in the HUD Edit mode window

[drowsy comet]

Acticate it in Enhanced settings then you see your cooldown manager, and then you can move it

[lusty grotto]

has to be checked

[unkempt hazel]

nono its enabled I can see it but cant interact with it

[drowsy comet]

Are u using an addon for cdm?

[lusty grotto]

/reload

[minor crown]

I would have to go into the logs to check everything out in depth, I dont mean to like grill him or anything.

we pretty casual XD but I was very confused seeing battle stance, so i wanted to ask ^^

[solid sun]

And before it's brought up, this isn't to ward off conflict btw

Incomplete info, confronting someone, just gonna cause problems

[drowsy comet]

i know that ayije's cdm blocks the editmade cdm and you can only move it via the addon for more precise moving

[unkempt hazel]

[toxic pewter]

he prob dont even realize he in bstance prob hit some macro he has that puts him in bstance

[jagged pier]

being in battle stance for raid prog is dumb

[coarse bay]

^

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

I hope he says like

"Well fegen you do negative damage so I'm trying to compensate"

[drowsy comet]

Expand settings and check cooldown manager, this lookd quite weird ngl

[solid sun]

I'd laugh

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[minor crown]

heyyyy ;-; im no 99 but like im like 60-70

[unkempt hazel]

reloaded/restarted the game all dat

[drowsy comet]

[solid sun]

I'm sure you're great

[lusty grotto]

open the advanced thing

[minor crown]

but yea all good, ty for the help ^^

[lusty grotto]

see if youre tracking stuff at all

by default wow should track shit but maybe yours is borked

[solid sun]

Cast more mind blasts

[unkempt hazel]

well yeah u can see it

[drowsy comet]

his ui is cursed

[lusty grotto]

thats not it

hit the Advanced button

[unkempt hazel]

its above the two action bars

[lusty grotto]

oh

[unkempt hazel]

I mean what im tracking

the bigger icons is it

[lusty grotto]

yeah i see it

ok screenshot your stuff in edit mode

[drowsy comet]

Do use any cooldown manager addons like bettercooldown, NephUI or something? maybe you have an addon conflict or something like that, that blocks it

[lusty grotto]

he does not dude

[lusty grotto]

he literally turned it on today

EXPAND OPTIONS

[unkempt hazel]

AH

there it is

thank you, you beautiful rat

[fringe mural]

thank god the icons are out of his face

[drowsy comet]

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

now remove all the shit you dont need

in advanced cdm options

[drowsy comet]

halleluja

[unkempt hazel]

ye ye

[lusty grotto]

you can just right click it and it'll open a window and show you a button

[fringe mural]

you can also access the cdm through the menu i think

[unkempt hazel]

i just didnt bother yet cuz couldnt figure out how to move it xd

ty ty

[lusty grotto]

[fringe mural]

just put it all on the boss like a healer

they're not looking anyways

[unkempt hazel]

[fringe mural]

i heard from so many healers "what? that's how the fight goes?" when they run as dps the first time

always focused on the raid frame 😄

they just watch raid frames and their feet best case so they don't stand in shit

[sharp gale]

healer pov

https://klipy.com/gifs/text-qXc

[drowsy comet]

Healers must be the best anime watchers. They can watch it on japanese with translation, and still watch everything just fine

thats how advanced they are

[mighty valley]

you... can't... read subtitles...?

[drowsy comet]

No I mean like, they read the subtitles on the bottom while the anime plays above

[mighty valley]

Yeah, don't we all do that

[drowsy comet]

now u make me look stupid

[stone tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-reading-gif-12234420

[sharp gale]

You watch anime in German dubbed ?

[drowsy comet]

Fuck no

[plush tendon]

lol nerds

watch anime

couldnt be me

[drowsy comet]

i watch them on english

in fact

[stone tundra]

there are some decent german dubs

not all tho

[sharp gale]

Im a dubbed hater so 🤷‍♂️

[mighty valley]

I love your pfp, Live Action Human

[plush tendon]

theyve been getting better though

english dumb Frieren is peak

[stone tundra]

bad dubs are always bad

good dubs are always good - but less frequent

[sharp gale]

I was gonna say Frieren dubbed is trash

[stone tundra]

the names are so weird to me

[plush tendon]

thats a CRAZY take

[sharp gale]

Totally different tone it’s so weird

[stone tundra]

every single one is just their personality trait in german

[lusty grotto]

or me

[sharp gale]

Im talking about the choice of voice of the character Frieren

[plush tendon]

brooo

[drowsy comet]

everything I use is on english. I play every game on english, read everything english, even watch english TV (well not directly, as normal TV is dead and old, but more Netflix and such.

I began doing that since Im like 13, as my english grades were absolutely terrible and since that one girl told me she watches everything on english, I improved alot. My english is not the yellow from the egg, but I can communicate, even tho I have a terrible accent

[plush tendon]

the English Dub Frieren voice is peak

you must be out of your mind