Qhat makes you say col and mt are close?
#protection
lofty warren
undone beacon
Last i checked numerically the two werent far apart, thane has an edge though and is also just easier to play
tidal hemlock
Hello! Is there any chance I could drop some logs here for my co-tank (prot warrior) for Vaelgor and Ezzorak? He is struggling to stay up.
lusty grotto
sure
tribal wharf
Qhat makes you say col and mt are close?
close in terms of dps
undone beacon
Hello! Is there any chance I could drop some logs here for my co-tank (prot warr...
$5 a log review sorry
jk go for it
tidal hemlock
tribal wharf
that it wont make it inting to play one over the other
lofty warren
Mt vs col defensively?
tribal wharf
offensively
lusty grotto
hes playing ITF on a fight that is difficult to keep ITF stacks on
lofty warren
Col is worse aoe threat m+
lusty grotto
his blocking is suffering as a result
plush tendon
curious... what do you guys think about Col on Paladins?
tribal wharf
everything in wow is based on being played offensively optimally
tribal wharf
even healer
lusty grotto
tell him to play Heavy Repercussions and to keep SB up @tidal hemlock - on any fight where his ITF stacks wont be maxed (4) consistently
tribal wharf
at high hey levels and mythic raid, is expected to deal dmg
tidal hemlock
tell him to play Heavy Repercussions and to keep SB up <@419822722583887872> - o...
Ah, that's fair.
lofty warren
If tank is paper he can do top dps but if he gets 1 shot by white swings then ain't nobody gonna bring it
tidal hemlock
I was also wondering about his ignore pain uptime?
lusty grotto
that doesnt matter, read this #protection message
tardy oak
tribal wharf
if tank is doing defensively correctly and gets 1 shot by white hits
thereis major problems with the game
tidal hemlock
that doesnt matter, read this https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/14...
Thanks a lot.
lusty grotto
Thanks a lot.
he walled a whole 3 times on a 3 min fight... our rage use makes it so we can have wall resets, he can use more than that
lament osprey
Sims for raid is it still 3 mins?
tribal wharf
i hate to say it, but you should listen to jakey and nim and guilford and rhino and mwhai and others
lofty warren
Ok im less concerned about whether you think defensiveness has value. Im wondering how mt and col compare defensively
lusty grotto
they are about the same
with the new demolish DR
they have the same tools, there's not a whole lot of difference
tribal wharf
they deal the same ish damage, while being played correctly, which you can do with both specs, and you wont "get 1 shot by white hits"
naive panther
ooof, demolish needs to do more damage for both specs
tribal wharf
is what he is saying
naive panther
I miss when it slapped
lofty warren
The aoe threat is worse in m+ for col though so I dont want col
tribal wharf
they are also increasing the aoe dmg range of demolish from 5 yards to 8 yards
which will make it easier for us to deal more damage with it
lofty warren
What st and aoe dps increases are the 12.5 col changes?
naive panther
where's the notes on this crap
tribal wharf
12.0.5 is how those are structured 12 (expansion number), .0 (major patch, we have none yet so its 0 still), .5 (minor patch within the major patch)
so nyalotha would be 8.3.0
lusty grotto
its a 2k dps increase in ST
late trellis
how do you guys deal with the knockback on mythic dragons to prevent them from inching closer together?
lusty grotto
not doing tests with templates, just my character so keep that in mind
about 9k dps in aoe
late trellis
we keep inching close and by 3rd or 4th bloom they enrage
frosty mango
The aoe threat is worse in m+ for col though so I dont want col
I dunno about "worse"
shut summit
how do you guys deal with the knockback on mythic dragons to prevent them from i...
move into the boss hitbox
late trellis
is there a grace period you can move back into it before he tiptoes forward? or should I press leap to get there?
plush tendon
Sense, have you tried Col Prot on Paladins?
frosty mango
prob true to say snap threat is worse
lofty warren
I dunno about "worse"
Less tb = less aoe threat
plush tendon
Im curious since its 3 targets for a good portion wouldnt it be big value?
tribal wharf
move into the boss hitbox
what he said, it doesnt make alot of sense, but if you walk towards a monster, it will back peddle
shut summit
no i haven't, i largely don't play col cuz i don't like it
plush tendon
or not worth the trouble
frosty mango
Less tb = less aoe threat
threat is not a consideration because anyone with fingers can hold threat on a tank, snap threat or pickup speed is definitely worse on col but we spent two seasons playing it fine so
lofty warren
Sense is a man of big brian clearly
lusty grotto
also tank dragons facing in opposite directions
late trellis
what he said, it doesnt make alot of sense, but if you walk towards a monster, i...
Yeah I can rewatch sense’s pov for positioning
lusty grotto
if they are both facing south
late trellis
We have them facing the raid in mid but slanted different ways, is that wrong nim?
lusty grotto
and are having issues with the knock
just make one face the other way
sort of like a ying yang
lofty warren
threat is not a consideration because anyone with fingers can hold threat on a t...
Col was only used in m+ during s2 tww
And thats when I was vdh 
lusty grotto
We have them facing the raid in mid but slanted different ways, is that wrong ni...
im not particularly sure about mythic, i havent done it yet, but it works on lower diffys
late trellis
sort of like a ying yang
I guessI can watch some povs to get the other tank in line
I think it was the only thing really screwing us on 30-50% of the wipes was the enrage from being too close
or not close enough for cleave
undone beacon
imagine not using 15 bdks for mythic dragons
shut summit
break tethers in opposite directions of each other, move into hitbox for the knock, shouldn't really move much otherwise
plush tendon
i would consult warcraftlogs... .but literally no recorded Prot War playing Col on Mythic Paladins
lofty warren
i would consult warcraftlogs... .but literally no recorded Prot War playing Col ...
Bc col is bad 👎
undone beacon
i would consult warcraftlogs... .but literally no recorded Prot War playing Col ...
i mean, they do spend a lot of time apart so you're not getting the big stacks value as much as you'd hope
plush tendon
that is true
strong forum
i would consult warcraftlogs... .but literally no recorded Prot War playing Col ...
cuz i aint playing
plush tendon
cuz i aint playing
undone beacon
Nomeratur "the Colossus" retiredgodx
tribal wharf
hes moved on to more exciting things like touching grass
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
imagine a world where pepega and yogi are the yellow names and or blue
lofty warren
I would like col if demolish was instant cast and reduced avatar by 1s for each enemy hit with demolish
tribal wharf
it would be chaos
jagged gust
id touch grass but it just snowed last night
strong forum
i did sunbathe on my balcony for the first time this year
so thats cool
did skip my daily bikeride tho
solid sun
Did you wear sunscreen
jagged gust
you gotta get a nice base burn first
lofty warren
Daily bikeride in the Swiss mountains? Hardcorw
jagged gust
come out of your peeling skin like a cocoon and leave it a golden god
Melanomamaxxing
pure skiff
@lusty grotto Hello, I read your whole message about IP. I started tanking this week (I never did before lol) and I chose prot warrior, I have a lot of fun.
If I understand correctly, we are aiming to spend as much rage as possible and we use IP at 70+ for that. So I’m never using Revenge, except to get a SS proc? It’s not delaying my 70 rage for IP?
Is that worth sometime to stack a lot of IP (like 100 → 0) to tank an ability in M+ or raid?
Thank you for your time, it’s really helpfull and sorry for my english.
strong forum
Did you wear sunscreen
no
lusty grotto
If I understand correctly, we are aiming to spend as much rage as possible and we use IP at 70+ for that. So I’m never using Revenge, except to get a SS proc? It’s not delaying my 70 rage for IP?
Yes its delaying it, but you have to do it to keep rage moving. No generators = no rage.
Is that worth sometime to stack a lot of IP (like 100 → 0) to tank an ability in M+ or raid?
Read the spoiler section, it should cover that.
Your english is fine
solid sun
How is my English
jagged gust
What is my English
solid sun
Who is your English
solid sun
I actually thought the post that started this was well written
jagged pier
Did you wear sunscreen
Gotta sunmax
solid sun
Probably better English than mine
solid sun
Gotta sunmax
Not you, too
pure skiff
> If I understand correctly, we are aiming to spend as much rage as possible and...
Okay thank you, I thought naively that spend a 20 rage revenge was not worth trying to get a shield slam proc ^^
lusty grotto
SS generates a lot more rage than that
especially if its Outbursted
its better to send a 20 rage revenge than a 30 rage IP (which does not reset SS)
jagged gust
Revenge > Empty GCD
lusty grotto
plus more often than not you'll be consuming a revenge proc automatically
in that specific scenario
so 0 rage
lofty warren
Does haste
pure skiff
thank you, it's really helpful I love to ""designe"" my UI and I have a better vision of the important spells now
lusty grotto
lofty warren
Bro I already give him answer on revenge and he ask same q againe 
onyx hearth
plus more often than not you'll be consuming a revenge proc automatically
But If it is me, I would get 0 procs of SS in the next 10 seconds
pure skiff
Bro I already give him answer on revenge and he ask same q againe <:deadge:90027...
Hey that's not true
solid sun
Don’t mind Pepega
jagged gust
its like 4 GCDs between natural SS resets, it all fixes itself eventually
lusty grotto
plus SS cd also goes down naturally, its a cd after all
solid sun
Am I crazy or is this new DH spec wildly powerful
tardy abyss
Am I crazy or is this new DH spec wildly powerful
ye but only in higher keys
lofty warren
Is demolish affected by aste
jagged gust
makes sense, very power CD spec innit
solid sun
I was in a key with APB
And the first skyreach pull I owned
Then from that point on the devourer ate me up
jagged gust
But also
waxen cradle
How do we feel about running Fearless to make healers jobs easier in keys this week ?
jagged gust
The new spec is OP?
waxen cradle
Now that it clears devour
jagged gust
YoU dOnT sAy
lofty warren
Thought new spec would be more op
waxen cradle
oH i dO sAY
waxen cradle
wHo mE
zinc iris
Did they update the visuals on Revenge in midnight or am I just crazy?
lusty grotto
yes, they did
mighty valley
Is demolish affected by aste
sort of, since haste lets you cast ss + revenge more, which gives it more CDR
jagged gust
Dropping Rumbling Earth for it ig? easy trade
if you're not playing colo shockwave is kinda meh anyways
tribal wharf
i use it mostly as group spell stop + moderate dmg
waxen cradle
I was just asking about Fearless because in some of my key pugs the healer was keeping Devour up a little longer then I liked and I figured meh take Fearless
solid sun
You just have to remember the trade off
If you take fearless it’s impossible to be brave
waxen cradle
True that is a fact
jagged gust
But also does IV still almost entirely clear devour? Usually just throw a GCD at it and forget about it
lofty warren
If you take the talent that let's you break out of roots can you use it every time golem in mt casts it on you?
waxen cradle
Yeah that is true also, just trying to get the buff up faster, but really who cares anyway its just in 11s and lower anyway. Just wondering how viable for fast fill my vault/crest keys.
Trying to get my delicious crit faster in low keys
lofty warren
aka slows
So doesnt work on the golem in mt that stops you from moving while the other guy puts a fire circle on you f I r a bbq?
fathom oasis
just press avatar to remove roots... oh wait 
lusty grotto
So doesnt work on the golem in mt that stops you from moving while the other guy...
correct it does not work there
waxen cradle
lofty warren
naive ravine
Im so close
fathom oasis
out of all the things, why would it make sense to drop avatar's ability to remove movement impairments
jagged gust
but yeah your only 2 options i can imagine are dropping bounding stride or rumbling earth
neither are huge, both are nice
waxen cradle
Because... do I need to post the Updates-Midnight image to explain really ?
jagged gust
I've dropped stride many times before, unless there's a specific mechanic you're using it for it just makes the run like 30s slower
solid sun
Idk I never used avatar to get rid of roots
Sometimes it lined up but mostly I just sent for dammies
mighty valley
avatar didn't make you immune to roots lol
waxen cradle
yeah but if you used it when a root happened you were broken
solid sun
I thought he meant because rhinos have powerful legs I can’t be rooted
waxen cradle
and we always used it so... in a way
mighty valley
can't believe this man is out here calling a rhino a liar
rhinos are among the most honest animals
solid sun
It’s not my nose. It’s an elegant horn that you’re confusing for my nose
Pinocchio has done irreparable harm to my people’s good name
waxen cradle
I take it back Rhino is not a liar but that Pinocchio dude is not to be trusted... trusted him once... never again... nEvEr aGaIn
mighty valley
anyway avatar root break was randomly very sweet but it was also awkward design to slap a self cleanse on a button we are extremely incentivized to press the second it comes off cooldown
jagged gust
There are 3 things in life you never ask. A man his salary, a woman her age, or Pinocchio if he's actually a licensed proctologist.
waxen cradle
Yeah true
mighty valley
i thought they were giving root break back to us elsewhere but... alas no
lusty grotto
There are 3 things in life you never ask. A man his salary, a woman her age, or ...
that first one is false
jagged gust
I mean my wage is the first line of my tinder bio
lusty grotto
and its only a myth created so you companies dont end up raising salaries
waxen cradle
^^^^
jagged gust
but the joke holds up
fringe mural
and its only a myth created so you companies dont end up raising salaries
this
mighty valley
these days it's pretty normal to know someone's age. also scotsmen, englishmen, and irishmen rarely walk into bars together in packs
waxen cradle
after 40, the correct answer is always 29
Also if a woman asks does this make me look fat.... RUN its a trap
jagged gust
Me and my brother both thought we were a year older than we were, his wife had to correct the both of us lmao
waxen cradle
Or if you like there new hairdo
solid sun
I think it’s time to learn arms, friends. Who wants to see me implode
errant oriole
is everyone still rocking thane after the nerfs?
waxen cradle
Can Rhinos implode ?
undone beacon
is everyone still rocking thane after the nerfs?
Thane nerfs are not until the 21st
lament osprey
Why, nerf brew and bear more?
jagged gust
oh nice arms got rid of sks, arms should be a breeze, until you completely miss cleave because you were looking 2 feet in the wrong direction
errant oriole
true
copper timber
hello quick question, i started a prot warri as alt and looked into some m+ logs to see what high rank players are doing, i noticed they only use shield charge very rarly like in this log (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mZhKvk6RDyVLtf97?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=676) but his charges to 1.4m dmg on avg cast is there something i miss, i thought shiel charge is on cd to get free shiel block ?
jagged gust
logs im guessing are still broken for tracking SC
Only showing it when cast from range
mighty valley
yeah, you're right to cast it on CD, it's just not logged
lusty grotto
^
shut summit
Only showing it when cast from range
yep
waxen cradle
Have anyone done the math on how much of a nerf the Thane nerfs will be
lusty grotto
sims havent been updated
hazy crest
"we"
tribal wharf
so, the afffix for this week, i dont 100% underdstand it
hazy crest
Number went up
lusty grotto
ive been checking, just hodl until they are in
tribal wharf
i think way i understood it at first is debuff and healer removes it, i thought with dispell
and maybe its healing
and you get a buff or something
shut summit
or just pray they get reverted 
lusty grotto
solid sun
I been saying we gonna be stronger
tribal wharf
but theres like a void thing on your back, and so does that mean i can heal it say IV
toxic pewter
was about to time 17 AA, rogue dies on final boss, dk just doesnt want to combat rez
literally was gonna time it too
lusty grotto
this is the colossus sim it went up from 58k
so its about slightly very slightly better dps in ST
toxic pewter
why it go up
mighty valley
i think way i understood it at first is debuff and healer removes it, i thought ...
the debuff can either be cleansed OR healed off, so yeah, you can help with victory rush if needed
toxic pewter
oh with the changes coming
lusty grotto
cause colossus got buffed
mighty valley
and all debuffs need to be cleansed
tribal wharf
was about to time 17 AA, rogue dies on final boss, dk just doesnt want to combat...
unless they changed it there is a runic power cost to it too
toxic pewter
unless they changed it there is a runic power cost to it too
yeah therre is but like he didnt rez for like over 30 seconds
i think he tunnel visioned
tribal wharf
hard to know why he didnt without asking him
toxic pewter
we kindda did huge argument happened unfortunately
lusty grotto
so its about slightly very slightly better dps in ST
toxic pewter
derp..
waxen cradle
Did he know you are the Official Prot Warrior Feelycrafter ? Maybe he was jealous and wanted to brick your key
toxic pewter
Did he know you are the Official Prot Warrior Feelycrafter ? Maybe he was jealou...
lmao
waxen cradle
I mean I am jealous
toxic pewter
really wanted that AA
the first pull alone I have mastered though
took like bunch of bricks
waxen cradle
I still feel demolish when it goes off should sound like a wrecking ball hitting a building
Really give us that immersion
mighty valley
it felt like that when it did eight digit damage
my brain filled in the gap in audio
bleak breach
When did colossus get buffed? I must’ve missed it.
mighty valley
next patch
bleak breach
I saw the changes coming in .5 patch but not recent?
waxen cradle
it will be on the next patch
mighty valley
it's not huge, just better CDR
bleak breach
Ahh they ptr sims?
vocal owl
Any update for 12.0.5?
waxen cradle
won't load I will have to imagine
tribal wharf
if you land 2 normal punches in a row, the 3rd will deal extra damage and knockback
but it has to be done in a window
waxen cradle
Yeah the bang at the end is pretty legit
mighty arch
They added a slow to the affix so fearless clears it now
mighty arch
👍
naive ravine
Hom much SB uptime and blocked hits should you aim to have? (ofc as high as possible)
naive ravine
How would i look at it
lusty grotto
naive ravine
Yeah for blocked hits
lusty grotto
naive ravine
So SB uptime = blocked hits?
lusty grotto
effective uptime is the most important metric
lusty grotto
aura uptime is mostly irrelevant, its good for dps, but that's secondary
lusty grotto
you could do better
naive ravine
Ofc ofc
lusty grotto
optimally you wanna be over 95%
naive ravine
Im not at the haste breakpoint for ITF yet
still like 20 off or smth
Prob some pulls I just ran through
lusty grotto
Im not at the haste breakpoint for ITF yet
that just makes your percentage worse then
solid sun
Don’t need it.
naive ravine
Im running ITF without the exact breakpoint
lusty grotto
then dont
lusty grotto
i wouldnt recommend running it if youre lacking 10% blocked hits
those will murder you in high keys
naive ravine
In higher keys I wouldnt dare run ITF without the breakpoint
But does 20 stats rly make that much of a diffrence
lusty grotto
1188 is not a goal or a break point, just fyi
we do not stop going for haste at that point
lusty grotto
its just the point where its acceptable to swap talents, thats it
jagged gust
yeah therre is but like he didnt rez for like over 30 seconds
ping diff
naive ravine
Ahhh
And again a bit smarter
The awnser when to stop would probably be to sim my self?
lusty grotto
you dont stop
not this season
or the next
we stop at s3 typically
thats when haste DR triggers heavily and we can swap to other stats
naive ravine
Aight got it chef
jagged gust
lol u mean i shhould of pinged the corpse or more like latency
haha yeah, spam between the corpse and the dk
naive ravine
Thanks for the insight
jagged gust
fr sometimes you just lock in too hard
Ive tanked for like 20 seconds before realizing the entire team was dead
toxic pewter
yeah dk got giga tunnel vission
shadow crane
has anyone seen mythic BoEs drop in their raid yet?
solid sun
Yes
shadow crane
from regular trash or do we have to clear special mobs?
shadow crane
ok thx
fringe mural
if you use demolish while an enemy uses a stun effect on you will you completely shrug it off?
if you start using it before the stun triggers
lusty grotto
yes
fringe mural
that's pretty powerful against certain mechanics isnt it?
lusty grotto
but there are stuns that are coded to disregard it (like transitions on bosses)
fringe mural
but there are stuns that are coded to disregard it (like transitions on bosses)
okay that's what i thought
but i guess you can't iceblock or shadow mantle those either
i'm tempted to try colossus out just to see how it feels
open shore
Hi, Is Mountain Thane better than colossus by a large margin or are they relatively close?
lusty grotto
they are close
about 1.5k dps close
thane is the higher dps one
that'll shift in the patch
but we dont have the exact numbers as of yet
open shore
they are close
thanks, is that shift in favour of col or thane?
torn gulch
col
they're nerfing fury thane next patch and took down protection as well
don't know if it's intended but atm it is
tribal wharf
so, just to clarify futher, is it inting if the affix goes out and then i use the rallying cry, or say, shaman uses life link totem
like, im not going to overcomplicate this, but i want to figure ouf if its better to do that before or after
lusty grotto
its certainly a way to help but its overcomplicating it for sure
tribal wharf
well and rallying cry seems weaker than ever
pastel geyser
they're nerfing fury thane next patch and took down protection as well
gutting fury and prot thane for no reason cuz they overbuffed arms to hell and back anyway
tribal wharf
i try to hit the button to save someone and it doesnt save them
many many times this expansions
usually im too late with it
lusty grotto
well and rallying cry seems weaker than ever
wrong
its way better now
than ever before
tribal wharf
i must be using it too slowly
tribal wharf
but, ya, i'll do my best about running more 10 keys
hoping of different keys, win or not, make notes of what happens
then have rhino look at em
i could do any of those that are not 10
pastel geyser
10s are quite simple this season, im sure u can do it
tribal wharf
worried most about skyreach and to extent nexus
pastel geyser
nexus is ez
tribal wharf
i only ever really get to 2k then i stop, so this is first time i will have 2500 if i continue with it
pastel geyser
those are prob the least dangerous mob in that dungeon
tribal wharf
seat i can easily run i think, i need further guidance on the final boss
something to do with the white line paths, and you have put it on a bomb or some shit
but some times you cant hit the bomb???
and then that determines where the safe spot is on the purple circles?????
i didnt play legion, so i have no idea about that fight, or finer points of the dungeon
pastel geyser
idk i just point it to the thing and then move where there is no poop on the floor
dont have to overthink it xd
tribal wharf
if it was +19 or something id be scared
since it ramps up its dmg
and itd have ton of hp
pastel geyser
i think u dont have to think of +19s yet :D
tribal wharf
if you are new here, nim will come in eventually and say "don't get yogi'd"
which means, i like to yap and talk about whatever really
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
pastel geyser
im not here and yea ive noticed
lusty grotto
@Playername
oak ivy
no brackets?
lusty grotto
should work
oak ivy
Ty
lusty grotto
/cast [@playername] ability
jagged gust
Can also /tar focus, /tar mouseover
oak ivy
I'm swappin to fury for mythic dragons and one of our DK's wanted to gorefiends off of me since I'll be add padder supreme
/cast [@Quarterkitty-Area52] Gorefiend's Grasp
🤔
jagged gust
chatgpt is really good for making macros
lusty grotto
thats the one i used for Fractillus intervene cheesing
oak ivy
try `/cast [target=Playername] ability`
does this work for players on other realms or do you also need to hypenate the realm name
oak ivy
W
lusty grotto
it just works
by all means @Playername shuold work
since its the same as target=Playername
jagged gust
target checks names alphabetically, so technically im pretty sure you could just put a partial of their name so long as it doesn't overlap with someone elses
next axle
Heart of Wind or Puzzle Box in raid?
lusty grotto
both
next axle
I have a gaze
lusty grotto
then sim them
next axle
Ok
jagged gust
or does that only work for npcs
lusty grotto
if youre doing ok on haste, probably puzzie box
oak ivy
ty for the help nim
next axle
Looks like puzzle box superior by 1280 dps
lusty grotto
if you do have SB gaps, consider heart of wind instead
otherwise stick to the sim results
next axle
Ok, and if I do run puzzlebox, is popping it pre pull the move?
narrow slate
does anyone have a good plater profile for prot?
lusty grotto
Ok, and if I do run puzzlebox, is popping it pre pull the move?
absolutely
and/or hold for damage amps, (or beloren egg phase)
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
moving too much is bad cause melee cant dps
lusty grotto
dont panic run on that pull
toxic pewter
when do i actually kite those mobs again
lusty grotto
just back pedal
lusty grotto
since i know youre not dwarf 🙂
toxic pewter
i am very close to changing
i made a friend who wants to push like higher
and i cant deny i feel like im holding progress back a bit
but I have lived the first pull 5 times now
in 17
actually hard pull
just rest of the key not gone ideally
not my fault usually tho
unkempt palm
question for L'ura last boss of seat, when do we spell reflect to do damage? is it after the 3 discordant beams go out?
i looked at the SR guide and i think it said the 3 rotating purple beams
but that doesnt sound accurate
opal ledge
does ask mr robot still have that "tuf" thing, that measures defensive?
lusty grotto
AMR is fucking banned in here
hearty sigil
like im having trouble knowing when to move
ran one as hpal with a brew monk that moved constantly during that pull. was annoying but he lived it lol. ppl will get over it
lusty grotto
you got questions for it, ask the devs
opal ledge
like im having trouble knowing when to move
i'm a dwarf now, but i had the same issue...
i saw monks rolling back and getting the perfect time to drop stacks, but i couldn't replicate that with my warrior
it was super incosistent
opal ledge
AMR is fucking banned in here
what happened 0.0
lusty grotto
it has always been dogshit
opal ledge
i droped a bit of haste today, from 1200 to 800, got some mastery and versa... and feels a lot smoother
i'm not sure whats the math behind it tho
toxic pewter
honestly i have a lot of haste and im still running HR in these 17s im doing
i just find myself feeling much sturdier with HR
something about it
opal ledge
i just find myself feeling much sturdier with HR
same...
i feel like haste is not doing much defensivily to be honest
toxic pewter
I still am like 1200ish haste
and yeah if im running hr in theory i could lower my haste a bit
will see what happens
opal ledge
i felt like haste is giving me a lot of rage generation... but without a bit of versa and master the IP are kinda weak, if you boost it a bit with versa and mastery it might worth.. not much tho. haste still my highest stats
coarse bay
Does the guidon undersim?
Sims are accurate
opaque vine
sims kinda dog for me
coarse bay
That do be how things be sometimes
Trinkets this season arent very balanced
As is blizzard
abstract arch
As someone who just does M+ and doesn't raid its a travesty
B tier at best is crazy work
coarse bay
While you dont have a raid team, the fights that provide good items are puggable
Ya it’s the same with every spec in the game
M+ trinkets are pretty undertuned for the most part
Obviously with some outliers, mostly puzzlebox
coarse bay
ya i forget that's a pretty solid haste trinket
lusty grotto
vessel also sims high, but its a pain in the ass to get orbs
coarse bay
i havent used a vessel but ive heard lmao
lusty grotto
and for the sims to reflect it you gotta have good uptime on at least one orb stack
lusty grotto
yeah
tribal wharf
that thing is lost to time
toxic pewter
just saw a warrior who didnt take whirling blade or ravager
feel like thats a ton of missed rage
onyx hearth
since i know youre not dwarf 🙂
Dwarf is good, but the animation is so silly and stupid that I will probably change in the next week
Human master race
toxic pewter
I just want to be the highest vulpera prot warr in the world..
I WILL CONTINUE ON WITH LIL FOX
!
toxic pewter
hell yeah arms owns
solid sun
I will cleave all the stupid plants
toxic pewter
rhino we will do 15s soon
toxic pewter
hell yea
severe star
Thanks cache
mystic cave
Do tanks get the Lu'ra memory game?
lusty grotto
no
quiet matrix
When is Haste too much ( not counting pots or trinket with proc ).
Basically when do I sacrifice Haste for other secondary stats like Vers/Crit/Mastery
lofty warren
there are diminishing returns
quiet matrix
So going Haste like an ape 😂 Got it
lofty warren
once you reach a speciic haste number you need to change a talent somewhere around 1190
solid sun
Wow
apb is
APB is a very powerful individual
But he doesn't take me to his 15's. He's trying to protect me
tribal wharf
i have to learn more of the keys on 10
before i would invite you guys
i dont want to do skyreach without special group for on the stairs after boss 1 lol
stun or blind or whatever it is + giga melee
nope
onyx hearth
waiting for 12.0.5 so I can be 5% bigger again
worthy leaf
Can I find more in-depth info than on wowhead anywhere?
lusty grotto
we dont recommend wowhead
we recommend icy-veins
wowhead for dps specs due to Archi
icy-veins for us
worthy leaf
I’m not a new player, I know what I’m doing so it seemed a bit too dumbed down
Ok I’ll check it out
worthy leaf
wowhead for dps specs due to Archi
Due to who?
onyx hearth
we dont recommend wowhead
Why? Pumps is cool
lusty grotto
Mwahi
toxic pewter
you're not already?
i am doin 17s i just mean with me andd rhino
we were doin 12s the othher days
can bump it up to 15s next
lusty grotto
Why? Pumps is cool
cause pumps isnt a blue name here, is he?
winged zenith
15 is joke
worthy leaf
cause pumps isnt a blue name here, is he?
That makes him bad or what
onyx hearth
What is even a blue name?
winged zenith
Challenge starts from 17+
lusty grotto
That makes him bad or what
no idea, but hes not a prot war main
winged zenith
any group can pump 15 now
worthy leaf
Oh
lusty grotto
and hes certainly not here to answer questions
worthy leaf
any group can pump 15 now
My sorry ass fire mage is in the hands of jesus to live even 15
lusty grotto
and his recommendations are far off
outer willow
BOI
worthy leaf
Just playing what I like
daring marlin
i am doin 17s i just mean with me andd rhino
Nice 13s bro
😏
winged zenith
My luck is dogshit never get BoE
1 boe can change your life forever sells for millions if get early on season
daring marlin
im too lazy im just goin right from 13 to 17
smh my damn head
winged zenith
I jumped from 10 to 16s on 2nd week no real problems except no more +3 chests
Struggling on 18s now
solid sun
This dude
15s are a joke
why are you playing fire mage
if 15s are a joke you can play fire mage right
outer willow
My luck is dogshit never get BoE
Wait you know it’s BoP right
winged zenith
I see that makes more sense
worthy leaf
From what I understand prot warr plays pretty much the same as always right?
outer willow
I was like I can’t have gotten that much…
daring marlin
lusty grotto
From what I understand prot warr plays pretty much the same as always right?
sure
ip at 70+ rage, keep SB up
worthy leaf
Sounds familiar
lofty warren
in skyreach what is the trick to skip running the long way on skyreach on wind birds
winged zenith
Yes and go 1/4 or 4/4 apex doesnt matter much
worthy leaf
And dots are still the bane of your existence?
solid sun
Yes it does
lusty grotto
Yes and go 1/4 or 4/4 apex doesnt matter much
DO NOT DO THIS
solid sun
It matters like 12-15k or whatever Nim simmed out
winged zenith
Bleed is this season
lofty warren
how to jump skip wind birds on skyreach
winged zenith
Real killer
lofty warren
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WR8WqN-IBSo found it myself
worthy leaf
But they just give armour no?
lusty grotto
But they just give armour no?
what does
worthy leaf
Aug
lusty grotto
sure
worthy leaf
Oh u mean caut
lofty warren
aug not help u defensively only a little vers
winged zenith
Aug dispel bleed
worthy leaf
Ye
warm plinth
https://tenor.com/view/wmster-white-monster-energy-drink-monster-energy-gif-1215...
That's my go to at work but they were out of them so I tried the welch's grape ghost and man that thing was a close second
Too bad they're like a dollar more or I'd have them more often lol
worthy leaf
Can u guys just have sb up and spam ip and live most of the time or are you super reliant on using wall well?
lusty grotto
Can u guys just have sb up and spam ip and live most of the time or are you supe...
we do not spam IP
ever
worthy leaf
U spam what then?
winged zenith
Its called rotAtion
Not spamming
2-3 IP is max when rage generate is too much and you have all mitigation running
worthy leaf
So rage gen is just slow?
lusty grotto
slightly slower than TWW yes
lament osprey
WE STILL TRACKING IP NIMCHIP???????????
lament osprey
lusty grotto
you wish
winged zenith
Proll low keys weekly 10s maybe
worthy leaf
Sounds like u press ip only to not cap rage then instead of using it as AM
lusty grotto
Proll low keys weekly 10s maybe
5nope
undone beacon
5 nopes
slow pilot
for mythics are u u sing the wowhead talents or icyveins
solid sun
There's the wall of text you wanted linked
Was this for @worthy leaf
worthy leaf
Yes
worthy leaf
Seems same as before but since you say we don’t spam ip I assume rage generation isn’t as high as in previous seasons
warm plinth
You will still press IP a lot. But saying to spam it causes people to take it literally so we always discourage that phrasing when it's said.
lusty grotto
Seems same as before but since you say we don’t spam ip I assume rage generation...
right, i told you it wasnt about 5 mins ago
worthy leaf
Who would literally spam ip
lusty grotto
lurkers that take advice without nuance
warm plinth
We get people in here every day who ask if we ever use revenge in keys
lusty grotto
so dont say spam
worthy leaf
What kind of people do u get into this channel
warm plinth
All types and all skill and knowledge levels
worthy leaf
Sorry sir I will word it better to not bait anyone next time
worthy leaf
But I s2g in tww during ravager and avatar I was basically spamming it to not overcap
But if it’s that simple I only have to learn the bad tank busters now cause I don’t notice them as brewmaster
lusty grotto
TBs dont really hurt
the only TB that hurts is beloren frontal, really
and its whatever
and thats a raid boss, not a key
not really
but TBs are the least of the problems in keys
worthy leaf
Yeah raids I’m not worried about at all
I’ve just seen so many pwarrs spiking to death with block and wall up so had to come here and ask so I get it right the first time
Sounds like they are tabbed out of the game or something from what you are saying
lusty grotto
depends on where
worthy leaf
depends on where
Pulling the whole middle room in nxp
They always get absolutely pounded
lusty grotto
that doesnt hurt, but healers have to manage heal absorbs
worthy leaf
Yeah but ur not expecting ur healer to pump 100k into u in a 14 right?
worthy leaf
Sometimes they get almost no absorbs why is that then?
lusty grotto
reflect, stuns
worthy leaf
So u pop stand and pot to help out the healer if needec then ig
worthy leaf
Oh not at all alright
So half the healers will just struggle healing u on that pull then
100k into 1 target sounds like some rdruid stuff
Sounds like it’s just not doable with hpal or disc if that’s the healing you require
lusty grotto
i didnt say we needed 100k hps
oh thats what you said
either way the expectation is for healers to focus on the tank
not for 100k hps
a stack is really easily removed
and we can help remove some with SR and stuns
but if the healer is sleeping
and they let stacks go super high... then yes tanks get fucked in the ass
worthy leaf
I’ve played healer a lot and healing the tank should be mostly passive even tho it happens all the time and if I get give locked into healing tank he must be doing something wrong 10/10 times
lusty grotto
as a healer you cannot rely on "passive healing the tank"
not in NPX
not in this expansion
this aint any expansion where keys could be done without healers
worthy leaf
Passive healing is basically all Druid hots or atonement from disc or spending your proccs as hpal to not munch or just fistweaving as mw and apply the 2 hots that are just in your rotation
lusty grotto
im not sure why you keep going around in circles
what is the point of this discussion
NPX left side = you heal the tank
thats it
any pull with defenders = you heal the tank
there's no ifs, or buts, or nuance to it
worthy leaf
But what does this have to do with tanks I’m seeing getting 100-0ed in 2 seconds
If u have no self healing anyways
lusty grotto
the fuck i know, youre just naming scenarios randomly
worthy leaf
I initially said that they just insta die with wall and sb up and asking what’s killing them so hard
lusty grotto
could be terrible players for all i care
do you have a log? if not, then it can be anything from they're bad to their pc froze
worthy leaf
Cause u don’t get absorb until u actually go into left side right?
lusty grotto
theres 5 defenders in the middle
im not gonna try to assume anything here
either you provide a log, or im just not gonna comment in a make-believe scenario
im doing keys
not chatting
lusty grotto
the only 2 things i can think of there are good ole back hits and/or eating the dumb circles on the floor that stun
coarse bay
I’ve played healer a lot and healing the tank should be mostly passive even tho ...
i feel like not spending gcds on your tank is a very last expac thing
maybe its just me but tanks actually take attention now
worthy leaf
Well dh and blood dk doesn’t count cause the only thing that can save them is an external
From what I’ve seen prot palas and pwarrs need the most help from healers
Tho palas can do huge self healing sometimes
Guardian druids outheal the healer every pull almost
worthy leaf
Monks do very high hps too but they require the healer to heal them too
worthy leaf
these dont really sound right
How doesn’t that sound right?
Dh, bdk and guardian have huge health pools and alot of % hp based healing
coarse bay
out of curiosity what key levels are we talking here
a 14?
pwar shouldnt be far from monk in terms of tankiness, if at all
and gdruid shouldnt outheal a healer
worthy leaf
Remember on bosses he takes almost no dmg while healer has to giga heal groups
Dps and himself
coarse bay
squish is still nearly 40% of the healers heals
worthy leaf
In npx he is above healer all the way untill first boss
coarse bay
well either way, even if he is
which i really dont care to argue whether bear is a better healer than healers
all tanks need more attention this expac
and warrior isnt any more squishy than others just because hps
hps is not a metric used in tanking
if it was, vdh and dk would be the best tanks
if theres a heal absorb, then healing cds need to be planned for them
worthy leaf
It’s just self sustain right
The less u have the more help u need from healer
Doesn’t mean ur not tanky
At least prot warrior doesn’t get oneshot from melees after u stun the pack and all the mobs melee at the same time like bdk or vdh can
coarse bay
i mean that can happen as any tank
not supposed to stand melee if u sync them with cc
worthy leaf
Yeah ur right but I think prot warrior will most likely not get oneshot
I still have super ptsd from dh pressing chaos nova and tank dying 1 sec later
coarse bay
this is interesting to see, not very useful info but both 19 NPX within 10 seconds of each other
worthy leaf
Dps diff?
coarse bay
damage taken
worthy leaf
Yeah but u meant the timer is the same?
coarse bay
youre right though i guess, frenzied regen can help clear an absorb
oh ya
like 9 sec diff
worthy leaf
It’s the same team too?
coarse bay
just different tradeoffs for different tanks
no the left is a warrior
right is squish
coarse bay
ya but theres enough variables that just comparing overall information isnt really useful info
worthy leaf
But how much more is the Druid heal himself?
Or actually how much more is the healer healing the warr?
Cause that’s actually relevant
coarse bay
they healed the tanks the same amount
squish took 3m more healing from healer
this is interesting stuff to look at but not really useful
worthy leaf
Druid mastery I think
coarse bay
comparing these doesnt actually mean anything
worthy leaf
Increases all healing taken
coarse bay
a pally took the same amount of healing in NPX as both of them
worthy leaf
Pally man hate them
So easy to die
They are a mitigation tank just like prot warr tho
outer willow
big question
coarse bay
they work a bit different
worthy leaf
Yeah for sure
worthy leaf
Prot palas have a shield but they don’t use it to block
Might as well use 2h sword at this point xd
coarse bay
they block too just isnt warrior block
worthy leaf
they block too just isnt warrior block
It’s gotten significantly reduced
In tww u reach block cap with enough stats
Now they struggle with melee hits
coarse bay
theyve always struggled
worthy leaf
Yeah they are glass cannons it feels like
worthy leaf
Hats off to whoever can pull it off
But I don’t think u need to heal all tanks just because they aren’t full hp
coarse bay
I just think the days of tank healing being fully passive are gone
For now
And theyve put a lot on healers this season even though they were supposedly changing their philosophy
worthy leaf
Healers have something called tank globals
They are part of ur “rotation”
Giving hots and shields
That’s pretty much passive
But tank is low prio to heal compared to dps
lusty grotto
this aint a healing discord
we're in warrior discord
take the convo somewhere else please
worthy leaf
take the convo somewhere else please
Why are u so sour bro
worthy leaf
Good talk kind sir o7 i sleep
Gn man
zinc iris
Is there an addon that allows you to get an ignore pain bar?
brisk cloud
I just use the cdm it works good enough
zinc iris
Can you track how much IP you have with CDM?
zinc iris
Yeah I was just wondering if anyone knew of a WA style bar but I guess I can make do
ionic fern
Don't really need the exact number.
zinc iris
I dont even need an exact number, I just liked having a bar that filled based on shield not duration
brisk cloud
Yea you kinda just spam it if you're scared or need to dump rage
zinc iris
ik i just miss my bars
brisk cloud
valid
zinc iris
I used to track my IP%, duration of SB, and my rage with bars
I even had an aa bar (mostly for arms)
brisk cloud
also btw, disrupting shout works on lura
thin silo
There's an addon that gives a bar for how much total absorb you have that might fill the niche, if you don't mind IP having roommates like PW:S or Scale trinket usage
Also tracks heal absorbs which can be handy
vocal wagon
whats with all the focus about IP lol
buoyant mirage
why are they nerfing thane for 12.0.5? what would be their reasoning to do so?
we do too much DPS?
vocal wagon
why are they nerfing thane for 12.0.5? what would be their reasoning to do so?
where are you seeing this?
nm i found it
Mountain Thane
Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).
round cliff
switch to veng
drowsy comet
Damn second week and we already got a team with a times +21
drowsy comet
Pwar is dead
??
winged zenith
See those nerfs
drowsy comet
They nerf MT to buff Colossus, they want to bring people to play Colossus
and honestly nobody seems to play Colossus anyway
winged zenith
Yes and colossus build is trash
drowsy comet
Yes and colossus build is trash
Why you call it trash? They buff Colossus
drowsy comet
guess what, you can still choose to play MT. Nobody forces you to play Colossus. Unless you push for like .1% title, you dont have to worry about anything
outer willow
I used to track my IP%, duration of SB, and my rage with bars
its jsut not the same
winged zenith
I am on 18s now not title range but still hard
drowsy comet
I am on 18s now not title range but still hard
what ilvl?
winged zenith
277
drowsy comet
mhm
at that key range its more about how good you play the class tho. And Ive seen ppl clear 20s with a 277 ilvl on raider io
not saying you´re bad, but just waht I have seen
and its literally just second week too tho, im sure there will be a bunch of balance patches, hopefully one close before or after MDI starts
unkempt hazel
clearly healer bad
drowsy comet
lowkey I think Colossus will be a pretty sick playstyle
vocal wagon
seems like blizz does is evey season since DF, starts out with MT then moves to Col
drowsy comet
honestly it wont do a whole lot unless you run really high keys. If you wanna push title, go for it. If you want to be meta, go brew lol
sick shell
Nerfing the cool down reduction is what annoys me most, I like how you can clap every other gcd in the avatar window
So it's gonna switch up the whole rotation for it
arctic finch
guys what do you drop to get 4/4 apex , when i drop indom and last stand i feel sooo much squishier and i am questioning if thats worth it
naive ravine
It is just a feeling
5% dr from apex will outvalue indom
And LS is a bad talent overall, cuz it incentivizes you to use SW bad
arctic finch
idk man it doesnt feel right
naive ravine
Dont trust your feelings, trust logs
jagged pier
I dont get the i feel squishy indom and LS actually have nothing to reduce incoming damage. 5% Dr will actually reduce incoming damage
jagged pier
yep its always like that but still makes no sense to me
arctic finch
that dr doesnt do shit vs bleeds and we are dying to bleeds
naive ravine
lol
jagged pier
it literally reduces them
arctic finch
does it?
naive ravine
It does
naive ravine
Only SB doesnt work against them
jagged pier
they do
naive ravine
And cuz SB doesnt work against bleeds we need all the dr we can get
I would recommend for you to log a run and look at the diffrence in dmg mitigated
That should confirm what we are saying
jagged pier
btw ppl say, will say and have said that fight through the flames is massive
its a 4% dr for magic alone
but 5% DR on everything is terrible
but just run both if u dont want to drop indom ls etc
jagged pier
yer u would drop that for HR