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Probs
You gotta start like an hour earlier
What u mean
Anyone doing the 3 tank strat on mythic dragons?
There was someone earlier today that said they were
Does spell reflect not do increased damage on paladins anymore?
Hi guys. 170ilvl 2.6k prot warrior here, this is my first ever szn playing wow and i only do mythic+, no raids as i dont have time to raid. I am wondering how i should go about finding people to pusher higher keys with? I am pugging and have done really well, but i know if i want to hit 3k rating i need to prob find a group to be on voice comms with. any advice?
You could reasonably pug 3k if you know routes well enough and can handle the damage intake
yes, thats the plan for now, honestly 2.6k has been a breeze
i know this szn has been a breeze, i know i could do 13/14's and time them, just not sure if there was a discord where people are lfg
Honestly, I've formed the best group by adding people from really smooth dungeon runs
I already had a healer and dps to queue with, but found two more really good dps by adding them after a really smoother +12
ok, thanks for advice, ill try that
Omission of light an shadow twilight barrage proc - is that shadow damage
You can easily hit 3k without any voice comm
Fuck, I got 3.2k and I'm going to 3.3 without any voice comm
What color is the spell name in logs? That'll tell you for sure.
Now if you plan on doing +17, +18s, then voice comms might be a must
what is the best embellishment for spellbreakers blade
hunt, probably
yeah hunt
ty
hey i talked to the dev that made twintop resource bar addon...
now there an option that change the rage bar color when you get 70 rage, great for IP usage reminder
thats cool
it was bugged you could only changed the border of the bar color, he fixed it
Is puzzle box worth it? Can choose to get a mythic one from vault but it seems like such a pain to use.
Giant pain in the ass to use
Do you value high theoretical number or quality of life and your happiness? Choice is youes
big strength
but its a pain to grab the orbs sometimes
and to see them
its only strong if youre actively getting them
if you aren't, its π©
What does it look like
a green little orb
mhmm gotta test it out 12k damage buff is huge
Is there an addon to track when it drops or some kind of way to see them better?
Fkk to think there would be for the massive power it comes with
run a quick sim and you can see how many stacks its simming at
Crazy nutty
yeah its really good but again it can be hard to see during a fight
hey is there a situation that rend deals more damage than revenge without the cap of targets?
revenge is 12k but has 5 target cap thing
what
Itβs hard to imagine there are real scenarios where itβs worth it with no SS reset chance even if they did somehow miss it being uncapped
hey Nimchip how come the simbot is using Potion of Recklessness over Draught of Rampant Abandon
or the other main stat one
ahh ty
Value it giving seems so little
its based on AP and vers
more AP = bigger casts
that means bigger weapon = bigger IP casts
more strength = bigger IP casts
π€·ββοΈ
Currently doing 15s just fine without hard casting it that much
Oh dear
do you know how we use IP?
doesnt seem like it
More damage deal more Ip?
here you go read this #protection message
Either you aren't pressing as many buttons as you should be, or you're wasting a buttload of rage. Or both.
youre playing incorrectly
That's impossible unless you're just not pressing buttons
read what i linked
It basically says IP is useless except rage dump
so like, I played wow vanilla->cata, stopped, played a hot 10 minutes in legion, stopped, played season 1 and the end of season 3 in TWW, and now am playing midnight. mage first go around, then shaman, then shaman in TWW S1 and mage in TWW S3, and then leveled my shaman, my mage, and then a warrior alt. and I've always been afraid of tanking, but god damn is protection warrior the most fun i've had playing this game
I have a question that might seem dumb, but is there a situation in M+ that revenge is worth using? I mean, spending rage and gcd on that crap seems bad enough to unbind it
yes we use revenge when SS and TC are on cd
read the last part of what i linked
We spam revenge to refresh SS
we dont "spam" anything
Do we have something that let us know we are getting hit from back?
You can see it in logs, but nothing in-game that I know of.
In logs you can go to damage taken for your char, click the shield block icon at the top of the table, and then hover over the number in the hits column next to melee (or any other blockable mechanic)
If it shows unblocked hits, you got hit in the back
So we meta now?
Eh that doesnt get us invite above 18+
stupid questions get stupid answers, unfortunately
how do you guys do stat prio on prot warrior? haste #1, crit #2, mastery #3?
haste #1, then sim
hmm mmk. i was looking into crafting my weapon for my prot warrior
do not take advice from this person
For me mastery sims stronger than crit
haste crit then
but you can sim if you want to, the different stat combos
no
What you mean no
its a crafted item, why would he want to combo
he will stay with it if he doesnt get a myth track or reuses it next season
no reason to think too hard on its stats
and we dont care about haste DR
not this season, probably not the next one, if we do care its gonna be in s3
I forgot who was asking, but that Defender shield? It only blocks for that one mob
was it you @lofty warren ?
what is DR?
diminishing returns
doesnt matter, just go haste crit on the weap
will do boss. forgot about the 80 mythcrests to craft. just gonna slowly do some t11's for my crests on my alt. not too hard with a tank spec and lvl 38 valeera lol
thoughts?
Do we want the mastery or the crit plume? Got it yesterday (only normal, but still an upgrade over solarprism)
whatever sims best for you
Somehow obvious, stupid me π€¦ββοΈ Thought the crit set cause of parry, but well mastery gives block
yeah but
thats a sim angle
if its sims high for crit it means you gain more out of it in parry and same for mastery and crit block
my parses have improved greatly and I no longer feel like I do meme damage, but I did have a question about when to press VR or not. I'm not sure when it's a good CD to use, besides for the small healing. Should I be using it on CD? Should I be prioritizing it at all?
I think I'm over prioing it when I'm in avatar but I realized it wasn't really in the rotation guide
wdym VR
victory rush
its not priority relevant
ok so just for healing, ignore it unless I need healing?
you just use impending victory when you need it, and if you need it, thats it
correct
Victory Rush is just ondemand healing, doesnt do any dmg
that
I'm so mad I thought it did dmg
well THAT explains my wasted cds in avatar!
5k or something
mmm so way less than actually hitting the correct buttons
okay i'm glad I asked b/c I noticed my parse for ilvl is slipping heavy
I'm not sure I care to swap from MT to Colussus for more damage, I think the extra survivability is more important in raid for me rn
but I do want to at least not be stupid with what I do have
colususs does 1k less dmg on average than Thane
i read it on the internet somehwer XD
Thane much easier to play
more or less
less error do more dmg
Are your DPS typically doing more than double your damage in high keys?
Example: Am I doing a good amount or is that lock just not doing much.
The hunter is bad
Just compared it with my hunter mate π
78k is a fine dps... are you playing apex talents?
a lot of warrior in high keys are doing less than that by not playing it
Tell your hunter mate to come join my 10s hahahah
I am!
i'm testing the 1 poitn apex talent build... to be honest i liked, but you lose like 15k dps
So I know 2 spell reflect boss this season skyreach last boss, seat 3rd boss
Any other one?
check pins
So many WTF almost 10% dps missed
As a tank I try to relook my pulls and indicate if it's the pulls that could change damage in this instance
Jesus, 18 min overtime but they cleared it 
I think you do good but also i rarely have dps that do over 100 also xD
Hi peeps, which tank would be the better option to progress mythic with right now? Vengeance, ppal or pwar? The other tank is a brew. We have all classes covered in the raid so we don't need raidbuffs
True, would need to lvl and gear it asap before next wednesday π
Guys, do you think 1/4 Apex is better for pushing 11-13? Sometimes I feel like a sheet of paper (ilvl 262).
Nope
If you feel like paper you are likely doing somthing incorrectly
Need logs to tell
Question: Before the first boss in SEAT, can a prot warr break the chains from the mobs in those first few pulls? I thought avatar would break em, unless I'm missing something from my talents
The slow/ root removal from avatar went in beta
U can try endless rage talent or whatever it is that makes zerker rage remove snares, but it barely works on anything
does work on the chains
And now it works on the affix, according to wowhead?
But u just iv it off
Good to know, thanks!
This weeks one at least
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zKHTVdhcYXnxbJt9 maybe it was my gear and my lack of expierence... my ilvl jumped from ~247 to 262 that evening
Isnt it better to keep IV when you are struggeling to survive incoming dmg
(For higher keys)
you don't have the affix in higher keys
Oh rly
in 12 xalatath affix is removed and -15sec per death
The affix stops at 12s
And u get iv back all the time because u are killing mobs
U have the wrong talent u shouldnt be running itf with that amount of hadte u should be running hr
Use are wasting a tone of rage
Your casts are wrong ss and tc should be your highest cast spells rage gen is great than all. Why is revenge your most pressed button?????
All this wrong talents bad rage usage is leading to low block up time so your effectice blocked hits are really low so your getting creamed. Along with this as u arent soending your no dimping rage with ip your just not helping yourself
Swapping to 1/4 wont do anything for you
U need to fix the basics
alright thank you
Im at 31% haste now . Like 1k. Do iTf work soon?
Probably been answered many times already, but didnt find it
what did i miss all the timethat peps are playing 1/4??? isnt 4/4 the way?
I was running ITF with 1k haste and a bit below
And had some rare moments of major sb issues
But wasnt a big deal in 10s
The last 3 points are dmg only
So in theory for more defensive u can opt to not run 4/4 apex
Getting closer to the ITF breakpoont defenetly reduced how often it happened
tbh. you habe defensive with the last point XD
Enemies damaged by Phalanx's wave of force deal 5% reduced damage to you for 8 sec.
I mean u can argue that more dmg = more def cuz mobs die faster
Thats on rank 1
well than its shitty placed in talent tree order sorry
I guess
took out a point and it got lost so i guess it should be a 4/4 point
just wanted to make the point why i thinked you get the 5% in 4/4
Wowhead even shit for looking at talents now or what
Wowhead for pwar sucks now. Use icy veins
Do we want the Nexus point finger set? or just crit haste fingers on both slots?
I meant the talent calc from wowhead, not their guides
It used to be on 1. They changed it to be on the 4th so you are less inclined to only take the first
Still 1 and 4 equally divided on very high end keys
Both good
Mostly same value with little to no difference
Gents, whats your go to opening to keep aggro as thane prot in m+ especially pulling multiple packs?
wanna try prot tanking as an alt, thanks
Shield charge avatar thunderstorm
Charge or leap and thunderstorm again if need pull more
example AA first pull on 3 lashers without pulling the 3 roaming dragonflies
There is video about this on youtube by kira
ah KiraTank is playing prot this season? thought he is pally ride or die, will check it out..
thx sherlock. icy does the same π
Never die on this pull etc something like that
He made video about this on every spec every hero talent
POVs:
Blood DK β https://youtu.be/XZ39dRxm_M8?t=9661
Guardian Druid β https://youtu.be/XZ39dRxm_M8?t=29410
Vengeance DH β https://youtu.be/X0CP3l46rAc?t=4193
Protection Paladin β https://youtu.be/QTsPNcV0y_M?t=12951
Warrior (Colossus) β https://youtu.be/LE6TfH2ge5Y?t=1259
Warrior (Thane) β https://youtu.be/12ytnX3JHdo?t=1...
i am pretty fine with thunderclapping all i gather. only thing that gets thread some times are ele shams that cant wait XD
If you body pulling without any threat generation its yours. If they go giga burst when you gathering its theirs
Just let them die and go next
In worst case scenario you can intervene them but never worth it
Haha okay, i will let them know to go unga bunga after 3-4gcds. Thanks
normaly start dmg when all mobs are TOGETHER....
then you have all mobs and you coud aoe taunt
yep,. bit different with brew as i normally just throw keg and apply fire dot, and walk away
man fuck what random ass people say in chat, its lowkey not worth wasting time to argue with them, think Nim was right what he said yesterday
Its never worth it
Just install blacklist warden
Put them on your list and move on
wdym
whats that, sounds like you want to kill these peole lol
Its basically improved ignore as an addon
You can type in a reason why you blacklist them and it will show up when you que for m+ and stuff so you can avoid ever doing stuff with those ppl again
so when you suddenly meet this guy again, will it put a warning there?
Yeah basically
Souns pretty good to me ngl
Yeah
Why would you go through the lengths of taking 2 and 3 when you then dont take 10% increased ss, 20% more ss crit and 5% cdr for 1 point
4/4 is a really good talent
1/4 is not good no
Hey dudes, good morning/good afternoon/good evening. I'm about to start focusing on my prot warr, and I want to craft her shield. Is it worth to take Knight-Commander Palisade (I have the recipe on my BS paladin) or I should just Embelish one spell-breaker's rebuke?
Rank 1 is 1/4
He does it very rarely
Most dungeons were timed with 4/4
You can pretty much always assume that the shield with the built-in embellish is bad. None of them have been any good since embellishments existed. You eventually want arcanoweave on wrist/cloak. Weapon embellish is fine but you'll eventually want to recraft it without embellish to get your 2nd arcanoweave
nice, thx for the tips
I saw a public crafting order for the raid shield yesterday
no crests, no embellish, no missive, just the shield and mats
maybe should've messaged that guy to not do it
1/4 is not good, and the argument of somebody else having some success with it doesn't make it good
That would be an example of talents not making the player
All 1/4 players are just stuck in prepatch imo
Had the same once but he only wanted the tmog
I mean sure, but gold mats?
in certain very rare scenarios 1/4 might be useful, but it shouldnt be on a regular guide for regular dudes
I started taking 1/4 and putting the points into the remaining tanky talents and it has felt substantially easier to survive FWIW
sure I take a damage loss but I was no longer getting completely clapped anymore
this was the 17/18 key break point for me
And which points did you skilled then? Normaly its healer problem if you dont stay alive (if ypu play the packs right and use your cds)
don't agree at all that it's healer problem. the dots, rots, and bleeds are insane in this seasons dungeon pool
i moved points into last stand and indomitable
very nice to haves on the hard hitting dungeons
If you just cursory glance at any 17,18,19 key on warcraft log the majority are using 1/4 for survivability. Archon shows it as well.
And just putting in my 2 cents after timing a couple today myself it felt way easier. the DPS loss was definitely worth it
so don't agree with the 1/4 is bad talk. do it if you need to
Okay why dont you run no apex then?
But u can have all those tnaky talents and havs th 5% dr of the 4/4 on top
something's got to give
Either 4/4 or 0/4
i mean sure you can go 0/4 if you want but there is nothing else to gain
so might as well just keep the 1
Would you mind showing your talents from the runs?
one of mine from today. I just pulled from pikawar I believe
after trying to figure out why my ass was getting clapped so hard
doing 1/4 lets you take bloodsurge as well while keeping kind of all the other "core" talents which I think is nice
idk I'm a believer there is a lot of flex in the tree right now
sure I'm not perfect lmfao
I had essentially 0 shield block downtime sometimes I'm just bad at the game
Wasted a load of rage so indom is doing even less for you
Well u dont cause the 80% would say othereise
is this a log analysis that I asked for or??? Just said 1/4 felt fine
literally feels strong
But u want to feel strong, but with literally a talent change and playing better you would be
Has 0 to do with talents
Well 0 to do with indom and ls
how are you claiming i wasted rage
im literaly barely overcapping
this is nonsense lol
yea I think if you are confident in your teams damage and you want to play safer roll it
just wanted to chime in I am a fan of taking out of apex
Yeah and im saying, if u want to run a max defense build you should try 0 apex
U are overcapping like crazy
This is good rage management
Do u see the differece to yours????

lmao. sure it's not perfect but I mean it still is an insane amount of rage spent into indom healing. it's not like it did literaly nothing
your argument that just playing it better will make up or the defensive-ness of not taking the talents is just absurd
i don't get this hill you want to die on
7 mil healing wow
it is good
Thats literally less than your leech
The point people are making is that you can opt into those talents without giving up the apex, which also provides dr
Which also would do more if u played correctly
- you dont have to take adive, jakey is just trying to help you survive better
no one denies that using defensive talents has its uses in certain conditions
Youre just flexing the wrong talents. Apex isnt a flex point
apex is a defensive talent as well
Btw the 5% dr would have dont pretty much the same in terms of actually help u than indom does, just by stopping the damage
The difference is like 400 dps a second or somthing with quit maths
Which is nothing
Just literally never asked for a log analysis. Broa sked for a talent build, I said it felt good. End of story.
I know how to improve my play this was day one of pushing some keys and learning routes lol
Well u obviously dont because u dont think u overcap rage???
Im just showing you that the talents arent doing alk that much
and even less than they should be
last stand is a talent that in itself does nothing except catches you when you use wall too late, so you continue using wall too late
Its advice to make your next run smoother, you dont have to listen. Just say ok and move on if u disagree
Can we block when we use the trinket "Algeth'ar Puzzle Box"?
I dont think the healing of LS matters at all
Yea sure guess I'll just head out. Appreciate the log review.
Nope
I see it more as a cushion when starting a big pull due the bigger health pool
is Arcanoweave Lining x2 our endgoal for m+?
Thats not how u use sw so u shouldnt be using it to heal at all so looking at its healing is point less
it only helps when you take a hit that is so hard you wont survive even with sw on
ye exactly
They point is u can actually take those 3 talents are 4 apex btw i said it at the start
thanks
LS should always be more of a safety measure than anything else
Personally i would not take ls and take tan instead but hey ho, saying 4 apex makes u squishy when it literally does the same amount as indom pretty much mathematically
The healing is just fake 99.9% of the time
my initial point is at a certain key level, things hit so hard and so fast that these things do make you feel better
like in algathar with the axes when they chunk you suddenly with sync attacks. a last stand CAN help
i think context on key level is hugely important here
This
You guys still arguing? holy shit
But u know the sync attack is coming sk u should have pressed sw already
I mean shouldnt you SW b4 they hit you
Like u know your going inot a pack with axes
you can't cover em all
So why are we holding are dr
It transfered to a more calm discussion now
yea sorry it's not so much arguing I'm just trying to say I think there is value in these talents haha
damage reduction is great in those situations, better than heal
feels like watching the muppet show 
i'd probably drop tough as nails
I rly hope they make ls an indepentent button again
So u have another 5% on top of everything
what dmg talents would you drop for defensive ones?
Its not that man, come on

TaN? What else
The build im speaking of does
People really don't realize how big 5% DR is huh
I think with talent builds like this we talk a lot about the ideals, but sometimes with M+ things do not go so ideally and perfect
and having the cushion does help π
maths hard
in WoW numbers, it is gigantic
My point is ppl say i dropped it to take tankier talents, when u literally can keep it and take the same talents
And u loose less damage too
Id rather do less damage and survive more, than do more damage and get spanked
That is exactly the point, because 4/4 is a survival talent
But im also pointing out ppl value indom so high because they see it on the meters and the 5% is literally nearly the same thing
to me the bigger part of indom was the 10% max health increase.
AND a dps talent
This isnt classic 
Don't critical hits increase rage too?
If we cared for hp we would gem and enchant stam
of ss
it just feels good man idk what to tell you
No
kk
Feels and vibes sadly are always second after math
It would feel even better with 4/4 and tanky talents
as someone who has done the key levels with both taletn sets. it literally just felt good
Atleast when it comes to pushing keys
i'll just leave it as that I guess cus it was my initial point
why not both?
yo guys how bad of an idea is it to macro demo shout into avatar
classic andies would go nuts in that chat
Did u ever consider personal bias?
other way around i'd say
if you press demo shout, it should activate avatar
how can you run both
but you dont alway have avatar ready when you demo shout
So you need a seperate avatar hotkey
so you don't waste avatar uptime by waiting for demo shout
i mean ive been succesfully been playing with demo macrod into avatar so far
Ls is your flex point
but ill do it the other way around
i look at the cd for both so usually i can press the macro to activate one or the other
That works fine too
but since demo shout is not a dmg spell the order doesnt really matter
losing enduring alacrity is kinda rough, and disurpting shout is like mandatory
well it is a dmg amp spell :P
but best case you hit avatar a second after you hit demo shout
Also lets not forget ppl say the 5% magic dr talent is huge and have but 5% dr on everything is bad 
but yea id say pressing demo > pressing avatar in most situations would be better
cuz somehow i press the macro and demo doesnt hit all the mobs
So you dont waste the gcd of demo shout and have avatar
sometimes*
Yer dude i did it quickly do u really think u run focused revenge in m+
@lusty grotto told yah
have we not been takling about M+ the whole time
I think best case avatar should be pressed right before tb and after you just activated demo shout
Bro im on a phone and trying to get u somthing quickly
Like i jist took what was cached in my broswer
lol k
or right before ss respectively
because from what i read, ss and tb are on par with avatar just activated
did avatar give u 1 or 2 stacks of tb
2
i think
doesnt really matter though, but pressing avatar makes your next thunderclap be a thunderblast in any case
So the next tc after avatar is always great
yea i sometimes do TB > avatar > TB when i gathered a pack
big aoe
feels nice too :D
bruh thats rude
You're not relaxed enough
go stretch some more
they know you're tense
imma show you how relaxed I am 
that people even play with leavers is just hilarious, god damn 
keystone deserter sounds harsh man
reminds me of those paper hats that say "Looser", looks exactly the same
the only time i can 100% make sure i wont desert is at night when everyone is sleeping, even then my cat might puke and my wife step in it
then i better be a fucking deserter if i want to keep my head on π
You gotta have priorities
some ppl just dont care
i bet u if u have rio and have deserter as tank people would still accept u in a heartbeat with current tank shortage
yea but hes a dps
i see alot of tanks with deserteur, and honestly its completely valid
Surprised I haven't seen more
When I do it's always someone from Azralon
anyone got a cool BCM layout that i could try? im legit lost in this whole addon lol
tank shortage always present tbh
I want more good augvokers tbh
They seem well balanced now!
i feel like all the good augvokers are in some kind of slave relationship with high rio dpser
they really do this
some say its because they dont get picked as tanks and healers
so they are mad
I wanna try aug once theyre not required to be an ugly dragon in .5
can't you just play in b11 form?
Evokers are the only class that cant do that atm
For animation reasons
ah
Thats getting fixed in .5
They shortly transform to dragons for certain spells and then transform back
Too ugly
but if it's not your style i get it
That's only in .5? dang
Wasn't sure if it was in yet
i don't like how they run like a gazelle
that's why i turn on the blood elf form more often than not
also mog reasons
And transforming just for certain abilities is way cooler ngl
all breaths and I assume also rescue
yeah makes sense
Not sure if Im forgetting something
but wing buffet as warrior in human form is weird
Here, get knocked back by the winds of my... arms
gotta have some really strong shoulder flapping
b11 wing buffet in action
Fury guide is archims on wowhead right?
because he the man
ye
k
im watching someones higher key for pos
and they skip the graveblade
and so im led so believe thats probably a good idea on 10?
cuz normally i would pull him in
on the prior pack
by the cliff
newer route based on what we did llast night. and this random video i was watching
thats the guy in question thought
Hey guys, newby question but I somehow can't scratch my head over what's written about it on Wowhead/IcyV rotation pages: is this even relevant to use Revenge outside free procs?
(i took Wlogs best fights and compared to my best ones where I only used Revenge on free procs, and the count difference was kinda marginal, that's why I am asking if losing that GCD is worth it)
How exactly does the Kultiran passive work? Do you heal 2% of the actual dmg u take after mitigation or b4 mitigation
I still think its an interesting passive they have but it prob wont be that usefull (looking at dwarfs removal with dr)
Would need a log of a kultiran to really know
It just kinda depends on how your resets are going. When youβre playing thane revenge is a lower prio than TB, SS, and TC. If youβre getting a lot of SS procs then your revenge casts will be impacted because you wonβt be hitting it as often
We donβt really care about the free revenge proc. We just hit our buttons based on the prio and rage management
But sometimes you get unlucky and you have to fish for SS resets with revenge so you have a period where maybe revenge is getting pressed more
Pretty sure the fact itβs a hot make it doggo
I bet it does not stack and next dmg event override the hot
So instead it would be a heal 0,5% dmg taken
Donβt sleep on Nose for Trouble
log it and we can find out
its still not as good as dwarf and/or nelf
no racial in the game is as good as both of those
Does that potion not work anymore
no
I wonder why itβs not back
I do like the sound of dr on first hit as vulpera
probably because they forgot and/or it wasn't used way too much
I would need to buy a race change, im gonna think about it
Vulpera is not better than dwarf or nelf
then im gonna save you some money and tell you its not worth it
play whatever you want really
plus the fiery beards own
I mean I know its not worth it cuz how the fuck can you compete with a debuff removal
or meld
+12 PoS, no logs but recount
the only time i ever tried to make something night elf was my mage
Bursh it Off is the kultiran passive
and blizzard said no
He's just showing what brush it off did
ah got it
so i made it something else again
so yeah its not worth it

I mean what would be the best race for tanks in a world where dwarf gets their racial gutted?
Human because sometimes youβre bad and get stunned
im surprised pepega didnt make his fatmaneat character that
Wasnβt a non factor on that stupid goblin boss
its good for healer and dps i suppose
Drill assassins go straight to heck
I dont know what is going on:
Night Elf is BiS
remove stun is pretty strong
rekt
big fan
It did less than pain and gain 
shame night elves look the way they do
you mean mug'zee rhino
Yup, but I'm sure I can beat you underwater !
All those racials sound so cool, kinda sad how op dwarf and nelf are
Gnome bis
they dont sound cool, they are meme'ing
I linked nelf racial, wdum
they are whatever
you trolls
Bis racials
yes and i already mentioned nelf
dorf is good for being a dork
It's not a requirement
its def not
You wish you had 136 max rage
The tool that solves 99 problems, leaving you one:
meld is specially useful if youre trying to parse and your co-tank cannot hold agro for shit
and in seasons where bleeds/dots arent an issue meld is just superior
just not this season
Which tank is the nearest to playing warry tank?
Okay thats why i hate playing bdk XD
Want to try something new and already played in dragonflight vdh
brew is a close 2nd opposite
reaction based tanks due to stagger
while we're a preventive tank
Bear : 3 button rotation + fusion of SB and IP
somewhere in between
Hmmm okay. Still have to lvl up all of them. What is the funnyest?
the funnyest?
Biased topic
uhh...
Prot war 
How would the kultiran passive work with shields?
How does that work, you pull, run past and then all meld?
Or invis/rogue shit whatever
Does taking dmg count shields aswell?
Yes and wow
it should
It does less heal than
And thats kinda low too
thats the gist of it
Im gonna try kultiran bdk, surely good 
you do you
And has an icd of 10 seconds 
XD
Do dragons get racial flight mode or is that only for evokers
I have a fetish
human has
So I maintain, I think the hot is updated with each hit, so it makes it very doggo
dwarf has not
Now its out
i'd love to switch to nelf or dwarf again, i was nelf when my char was lvl 1
Someone asked about brush it off nim, so we talk about brush it off
All dracthyr get Soar
but cba to run all faction shit again
Thatβs sick
and trans all alts
Dragons might be the best lowkey
dracthyr prot epic
I enjoy my dracythr prot
me 2
ugly ass lizards
G N O M E
but fall dmg doesnt really matter with leap
wing buffet is great
esp first pull of spire
just knock those shits outta the bubble

Does buffet mean something else than the food thing ?
Yeah it's also fun in eye of the storm
lol
but that has always been fun as ele
its a synonym for like hitting something multiple times
if you've ever been buffetted by the wind
its pronounounced buff-ett instead of buff-ey
Also the perception bonus is really important
not
perception is like the shittiest stat this season

don't they have mastery bonus?
Drac does yeah
That's fine for sure
They have Mastery+Perception, Knockback CC, Glide, Out of Combat regen bonus, and racial flight
Glide is super nice knockback cancel, plus it does funny things on last boss of caverns and the likes
If you are gliding when he does the knockback slam you go zooooom
Knockback cancel on a warrior 
Having swapped from DH to Warrior, having glide as my instant reaction to knockback is just ingrained at this point
it's cool against unkickable folks or people in ground effects/bubbles
You can cancel out a knockback with glide? Dafuq i'm not playing drac long enough clearly
Yeah if you hit spacebar/glide while in the air immediately after a knockback it cancels all momentum
so you just dont go anywhere
man
Skyreach hates this one trick
that's awesome
charge
Sometimes you play when youβre sleepy and you donβt hit charge fast enough
Glide is better than charge tho
but yes charge needs to be timed
and you dont want to always be at the mob again right away
I wish dragons could be DKβs
Not really, itβs just you canβt charge too close or if way not found, no need to be timed, you spam charge button
Since you canβt charge in melee
When I have the white arrow in skyreach I just spam charge at the end of the cast
if you get kicked by chimaerus because you stood wrong lol
Glide yeah
look at me i'm a faildrake
Rasageth missing a charge
also sometimes charge does stupid things. I charged back to last boss on MT and it made me run to the other side of the boss through a beam >:(
When youβre customizing your dragon do you have to put the armor pieces on to wear visible gear?
I think you can fight as human drake
On your dragon form yeah you do that in the barber
If you are not evoker
But i stay as visage mostly
Never charge on that boss as the pathing sucks. It does the same thing with Fel Blade on DH
Yeah I learned that lol
You can just make shoulders and waist visible
the rest is barber
afaik
So in the customize menu enable shoulders and belts and then go to the barber for the others but also just stay in visage form
You don't have to make the armor show, but you can use the Dracthyr armor to mix with the shoulders you get from mog to make decent blended sets (sorry, just showing an example and will delete photo if needed)
ha
You can use the new mog system to set a seperate mog in dracthyr and visage form, so my dracthyr "mog" is just shoulders/belt mogged
Slick
Heyo! Would love some feedback in here if someone has time: #1491795886471254026 message
Wait, so if I wanted to hide shoulders in drac form but keep them on during visage I can do that?
Correct
Prot channel just the same as anywhere else on the net
Looking for prot info an getting nerd dragon ish instead
Gotchu boo
all non-humanoid races are just for furries right?
All races in wow are humanoid smh
Aren't all races humanoid?
fine, everything that isn't an elf variant, human variant, or dwarf/gnome
There's definitely representation options for furries but I don't hate vulpera personally. Worgen are just awful though.
I want to like them but I just can't
I hate vulpera not because they are furries but because what they deprived the horde of
I will die on the hill that we shoulda had Gilgoblins/Kelfin instead
For me it's just the fact you cannot get a good helm option on them. They all look terrible
I'm just glad MoP gave us pandaren and left jinyu and hozen behind
Birds?
Yeah, helms for sure, and boots (for any non-normal foot race tbh)
They could've done really cool shit with boots where they're like hoofplates or claw guards and instead they just look like super bulky and ugly ankle guards on all of them
that would've meant they remodeled all the new boots and aint no way they're doing that
but yeah vulpera shoulda been left to fester in vol'dun and the horde shoulda recruited the Unshackled of Nazjatar into the horde proper
More worthwhile effort than the 10 billionth horse or dragon mount variant
Not only would that have been a great way to build back up the naval forces after we let the Zandalari navy get blasted into dust, but the Unshackled are basically a mini underwater horde and fit the vibes so well
It takes a lot of work from Blizz to take a dragon mount and then change it's color /s

Hey I'm not saying there aren't some super cool dragon mounts (fae dragon, worldbreaker are a couple examples) but most are 100% needless
Unbound Star-Eater is a slick dragon mount
That's the star/galaxy type one from dimensius right
Yarp
Yeah that one is pretty cool
I wish it had a more unique mountspecial but thats whatever
Or hey, how about just ridding the world of any of those godawful worm or worm-like mounts
Using that effort on boots instead, ez
Time travel when blizz
The cloud serpent rig and its consequences have been a disaster for mount society
I fucking hate that rig
I hate them all.
and they keep re-using it
Every expansion has another cloud serpent rig mount, or multiple
BFA Old God worms, Legion Sea Serpents, SL Ardenling dragon things, the new trading post vine serpent
Though I have gone out of my way to get a few of that type of mount, either through random impulse (ivory cloud serpent) or the related adventure (riddler worm and the plaguefall solo one)
Like I get them all because im a numbers go up girly but i wont ride them
I literally never use them after obtaining them though. Not sure what that says about me.
The only one I'll tolerate is Yu'lei from MoP timewalking because its funny to ride around on THE jade serpent model
iβve still got a very soft spot for the serpents bc i worked so hard for them back in MoP
fed them and everything
π
I never got into any of the little mini game things in MoP
Never did the farm or the cloud serpent thing
itβs never too late to get into Battle Pets #savebattlepets

I think the last couple things I actually took the time to grind out that were even remotely similar were the feed the bug thing in Uldum during BfA and the nether drake shit in tbc lol
I remember flying around for hours looking for eggs on netherwing ledge
thatβs the stuff
tbh i dont have most of the "feed the mount daily for a week/month" mounts because im too adhd brain and forget after two days
Would be a few easy mounts to get
I'm so close to 1000 mounts
sheeeeeesh
I just broke 960 the other night i think
I think I only recently hit 300 mounts after almost 20 years of wow
Does it matter how many mounts you have? I still use the same two
I have the winged lion+ the travelers bear; everything else is just number go up

There have been a few over the years that I went after but I have to really enjoy either the mount or the content to get the mount
I am a big fan of number go up
Winged lion?
shop mount
yeah some raids are more fun to farm than others
I use like, 5 mounts total lol
The quilen? Or something else

Winged Guardian or something right
i LOVE making transmogs for different mounts
yeah that thing
Ohhh I forgot about that one
the trading post has been feeding me very very nice mounts that are easy to mog with
that green gryphon from a while back was π―
for mog and selling stuff
I have several shop mounts but don't have that one
My favorite store mount is the Grinning Reaver because i won it from a trivia night 
iβm gonna be liquidating my assets when those flying squirrels go on sale ππ₯Ί
but I love my winged guardian
This is a sick ass mount

Evil bug of doom
why ride bug, when there is lion and bear?
Only mount is the hivemind
I have the warforged nightmare, fey dragon, celestial steed, most of the Chinese new year ones, and the trader brutosaur
All the homies get to ride
because evil bug of doom
I thought only the people who got hivemind with you could ride with you
only if they helped you unlock hivemind 
That's why i never bothered with it. I have other jellyfish mounts so didn't seem worth
Iβll reattune for you

I have the zereth mortis one and the legion weekly one (which I'm proud of because I did not get it during remix)
Best mount NA
Though I was very lucky with that one and only had to wait a couple of weeks for it to show up as the reward back then
Iβm not a biologist
smol goat
yeah i got the Kosumoth jelly back in legion
Was slick
I still need to go farm out the Margoss fish
I had a really shitty job as a bank teller and for our christmas bonus one year we got $25 visa gift cards, so i said fuck it and treated myself to the Luminous Starseeker from the shop. probably my favorite mount to this day, and bc it changes colors it makes for a very fun and challenging mog
Was sad that wasnt part of lemix lol
the mounts I'm really sad I lost with my whole original account debacle are the talbuks from nagrand
I worked so hard for those and now they're gone
though I suppose it would be a lot easier to get them again now than when I was soloing halaa guards on my bear back then at the insane rate of one guard every like 6 mins

There is sometimes a garrison mission giving you the required currency to buy one of the pvp talbuks
what % of prot chat is actually talking about prot war stuff

im thinking like maybe 5%
true
Simple meth
Goat mount
heisenberg?
Geargrinder + Big G great mount combo
Weirdo
How does no stranger to pain work? Does it increase the actual amount we get from pressing IP or does it just change how much of a hit can go into IP?
What's the !command for Into the Fray Haste?
There isnt a command, its just 1188 haste
random question...
if there are like 3 packs that u wanna grab aggro on in an m+, how do youi do it? do you heroic throw to 2 of the packs then dash into the 3rd and aoe thunder clap?
or like taunt + heroic leap + taunt + throw?
prob a easy test, but reading the tooltip, it increases the size of each ignore pain
been loving prot warrior tho! very fun class
Thank you, couldn't recall the number and couldn't locate a pin

I usually just charge/leap/shield charge into each pack
Depends on the packs in question. You can do either of those, but heroic throw only gets aggro on one mob so you might lose some mobs to overzealous dps. Typically you want to charge and clap a pack to get initial aggro
gotta make sure you hit em with something
Careful about just leaping into a pack because its very easy to take backshots that way
ah I'm very glad I asked. good insight
cause you take more dmg from mobs behind you, right?
You cant block behind yourself
yea, taking backshots is a insta way to die
So, essentially yes
its also ok to not tag/group every pack insta
as in shield block wouldnt even be proccing if i had that going?
you can charge into a pack, establish your reasource/SB, then go into next
Shield block just sets your block chance to 100%
dont feel like you need to spend your first 3 globals tagging 3 packs in a row
So if mobs are behind you, you cant block them, you take unmitigated damage
you die
but blocking is only done to mobs in front of you? I see right ty
On the last boss of magister's terrance, what controls when youre going to poop? Sometimes boss gives me circle and I dont poop for a while and other times he makes me go right away
healer dispell
Its the dispel pepega
its on healer
Your healer controls that
some insta dispell, others dont
What happens if they never dispel you


