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daring marlin
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I should try db

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Gear ain't dropping

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making me madge

cerulean tusk
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Better go raid

daring marlin
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hell no

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disgusting

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They'd prolly take me tho

cerulean tusk
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Probs

daring marlin
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Tank shortage is worse in lfg heroic it seems

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shit's funny

solid sun
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You gotta start like an hour earlier

coarse bay
gray dagger
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Anyone doing the 3 tank strat on mythic dragons?

coarse bay
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There was someone earlier today that said they were

narrow thicket
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Does spell reflect not do increased damage on paladins anymore?

jade yoke
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Hi guys. 170ilvl 2.6k prot warrior here, this is my first ever szn playing wow and i only do mythic+, no raids as i dont have time to raid. I am wondering how i should go about finding people to pusher higher keys with? I am pugging and have done really well, but i know if i want to hit 3k rating i need to prob find a group to be on voice comms with. any advice?

celest notch
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You could reasonably pug 3k if you know routes well enough and can handle the damage intake

jade yoke
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yes, thats the plan for now, honestly 2.6k has been a breeze

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i know this szn has been a breeze, i know i could do 13/14's and time them, just not sure if there was a discord where people are lfg

celest notch
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Honestly, I've formed the best group by adding people from really smooth dungeon runs

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I already had a healer and dps to queue with, but found two more really good dps by adding them after a really smoother +12

jade yoke
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ok, thanks for advice, ill try that

solid sun
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Omission of light an shadow twilight barrage proc - is that shadow damage

narrow prawn
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Fuck, I got 3.2k and I'm going to 3.3 without any voice comm

warm plinth
narrow prawn
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Now if you plan on doing +17, +18s, then voice comms might be a must

severe star
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what is the best embellishment for spellbreakers blade

daring marlin
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hunt, probably

lusty grotto
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yeah hunt

severe star
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ty

opal ledge
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hey i talked to the dev that made twintop resource bar addon...
now there an option that change the rage bar color when you get 70 rage, great for IP usage reminder

lusty grotto
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thats cool

opal ledge
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it was bugged you could only changed the border of the bar color, he fixed it

mortal grove
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Is puzzle box worth it? Can choose to get a mythic one from vault but it seems like such a pain to use.

lofty warren
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Giant pain in the ass to use

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Do you value high theoretical number or quality of life and your happiness? Choice is youes

polar atlas
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Yo, I need some help understanding

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Why is the Vessel of Tortured Souls
so strong?

lusty grotto
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big strength

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but its a pain to grab the orbs sometimes

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and to see them

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its only strong if youre actively getting them

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if you aren't, its πŸ’©

polar atlas
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What does it look like

lusty grotto
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a green little orb

polar atlas
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mhmm gotta test it out 12k damage buff is huge

lusty grotto
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you gotta get the stacks

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each orb = 1 stack

polar atlas
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Is there an addon to track when it drops or some kind of way to see them better?

lusty grotto
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no

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at least not that i know of

polar atlas
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Fkk to think there would be for the massive power it comes with

lusty grotto
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run a quick sim and you can see how many stacks its simming at

polar atlas
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Where would i find how many stacks

lusty grotto
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on the right

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in the full html report

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Restless Soul

polar atlas
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so 2 stacks

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and im cooking extra 12k?
\

lusty grotto
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yeah but it has 100% uptime

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well kind of

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nvm its 52%

polar atlas
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Crazy nutty

lusty grotto
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yeah its really good but again it can be hard to see during a fight

polar atlas
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now i gotta find an addon to track it

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the damage is too good to give up

opal ledge
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hey is there a situation that rend deals more damage than revenge without the cap of targets?

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revenge is 12k but has 5 target cap thing

lusty grotto
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what

mighty valley
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It’s hard to imagine there are real scenarios where it’s worth it with no SS reset chance even if they did somehow miss it being uncapped

polar atlas
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hey Nimchip how come the simbot is using Potion of Recklessness over Draught of Rampant Abandon
or the other main stat one

lusty grotto
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change it in sim settings

polar atlas
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ahh ty

winged zenith
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Ignore pain seems useless now isnt it?

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It used to block main damage

lusty grotto
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it hasnt changed

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its literally the same since Legion s2

winged zenith
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Value it giving seems so little

lusty grotto
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its based on AP and vers

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more AP = bigger casts

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that means bigger weapon = bigger IP casts

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more strength = bigger IP casts

winged zenith
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I am 276 with 285 weapon craft

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Not sure if IP will keep me alive above +18:”s

lusty grotto
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πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

winged zenith
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Currently doing 15s just fine without hard casting it that much

warm plinth
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Oh dear

lusty grotto
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doesnt seem like it

winged zenith
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More damage deal more Ip?

lusty grotto
warm plinth
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Either you aren't pressing as many buttons as you should be, or you're wasting a buttload of rage. Or both.

winged zenith
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And feee proc from 250 rage

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I am using all my rage on revenge

lusty grotto
warm plinth
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That's impossible unless you're just not pressing buttons

lusty grotto
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read what i linked

winged zenith
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It basically says IP is useless except rage dump

turbid matrix
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so like, I played wow vanilla->cata, stopped, played a hot 10 minutes in legion, stopped, played season 1 and the end of season 3 in TWW, and now am playing midnight. mage first go around, then shaman, then shaman in TWW S1 and mage in TWW S3, and then leveled my shaman, my mage, and then a warrior alt. and I've always been afraid of tanking, but god damn is protection warrior the most fun i've had playing this game

fast marsh
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I have a question that might seem dumb, but is there a situation in M+ that revenge is worth using? I mean, spending rage and gcd on that crap seems bad enough to unbind it

lusty grotto
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read the last part of what i linked

winged zenith
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We spam revenge to refresh SS

lusty grotto
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we dont "spam" anything

winged zenith
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Do we have something that let us know we are getting hit from back?

warm plinth
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You can see it in logs, but nothing in-game that I know of.

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In logs you can go to damage taken for your char, click the shield block icon at the top of the table, and then hover over the number in the hits column next to melee (or any other blockable mechanic)

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If it shows unblocked hits, you got hit in the back

winged zenith
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So we meta now?

lusty grotto
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we're always meta, in our hearts

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in our one-trick hearts

winged zenith
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Eh that doesnt get us invite above 18+

lusty grotto
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stupid questions get stupid answers, unfortunately

alpine terrace
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how do you guys do stat prio on prot warrior? haste #1, crit #2, mastery #3?

winged zenith
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we not hitting DR this season

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Max everything with crit haste ignore other

alpine terrace
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hmm mmk. i was looking into crafting my weapon for my prot warrior

lusty grotto
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do not take advice from this person

toxic pewter
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For me mastery sims stronger than crit

lusty grotto
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but you can sim if you want to, the different stat combos

winged zenith
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Not sure combo is thing on stats

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Unless DR hits in

lusty grotto
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no

winged zenith
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What you mean no

lusty grotto
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its a crafted item, why would he want to combo

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he will stay with it if he doesnt get a myth track or reuses it next season

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no reason to think too hard on its stats

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and we dont care about haste DR

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not this season, probably not the next one, if we do care its gonna be in s3

outer willow
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I forgot who was asking, but that Defender shield? It only blocks for that one mob

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was it you @lofty warren ?

alpine terrace
lusty grotto
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diminishing returns

alpine terrace
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dim returns?

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ah yea

lusty grotto
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doesnt matter, just go haste crit on the weap

alpine terrace
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will do boss. forgot about the 80 mythcrests to craft. just gonna slowly do some t11's for my crests on my alt. not too hard with a tank spec and lvl 38 valeera lol

turbid matrix
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thoughts?

tame jasper
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Do we want the mastery or the crit plume? Got it yesterday (only normal, but still an upgrade over solarprism)

lusty grotto
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whatever sims best for you

tame jasper
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Somehow obvious, stupid me πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ Thought the crit set cause of parry, but well mastery gives block

lusty grotto
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yeah but

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thats a sim angle

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if its sims high for crit it means you gain more out of it in parry and same for mastery and crit block

lament steeple
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my parses have improved greatly and I no longer feel like I do meme damage, but I did have a question about when to press VR or not. I'm not sure when it's a good CD to use, besides for the small healing. Should I be using it on CD? Should I be prioritizing it at all?

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I think I'm over prioing it when I'm in avatar but I realized it wasn't really in the rotation guide

lusty grotto
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wdym VR

lament steeple
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victory rush

lusty grotto
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its not priority relevant

lament steeple
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ok so just for healing, ignore it unless I need healing?

lusty grotto
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you just use impending victory when you need it, and if you need it, thats it

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correct

autumn topaz
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Victory Rush is just ondemand healing, doesnt do any dmg

lament steeple
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that

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I'm so mad I thought it did dmg

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well THAT explains my wasted cds in avatar!

autumn topaz
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5k or something

lament steeple
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mmm so way less than actually hitting the correct buttons

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okay i'm glad I asked b/c I noticed my parse for ilvl is slipping heavy

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I'm not sure I care to swap from MT to Colussus for more damage, I think the extra survivability is more important in raid for me rn

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but I do want to at least not be stupid with what I do have

autumn topaz
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colususs does 1k less dmg on average than Thane

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i read it on the internet somehwer XD

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Thane much easier to play

lusty grotto
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more or less

autumn topaz
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less error do more dmg

outer willow
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Are your DPS typically doing more than double your damage in high keys?

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Example: Am I doing a good amount or is that lock just not doing much.

tame jasper
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The hunter is bad

outer willow
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that's a twist.

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y?

tame jasper
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Just compared it with my hunter mate πŸ˜‡

opal ledge
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78k is a fine dps... are you playing apex talents?

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a lot of warrior in high keys are doing less than that by not playing it

outer willow
opal ledge
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i'm testing the 1 poitn apex talent build... to be honest i liked, but you lose like 15k dps

winged zenith
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So I know 2 spell reflect boss this season skyreach last boss, seat 3rd boss

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Any other one?

lusty grotto
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check pins

winged zenith
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So many WTF almost 10% dps missed

heavy sparrow
drowsy comet
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Jesus, 18 min overtime but they cleared it keks

charred ivy
somber stump
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Hi peeps, which tank would be the better option to progress mythic with right now? Vengeance, ppal or pwar? The other tank is a brew. We have all classes covered in the raid so we don't need raidbuffs

jagged pier
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Bdk

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Grips are pretty much required in over half the fights

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And more than 1 grip

somber stump
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True, would need to lvl and gear it asap before next wednesday πŸ˜‚

loud willow
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Guys, do you think 1/4 Apex is better for pushing 11-13? Sometimes I feel like a sheet of paper (ilvl 262).

jagged pier
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Nope

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If you feel like paper you are likely doing somthing incorrectly

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Need logs to tell

somber gale
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Question: Before the first boss in SEAT, can a prot warr break the chains from the mobs in those first few pulls? I thought avatar would break em, unless I'm missing something from my talents

jagged pier
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The slow/ root removal from avatar went in beta

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U can try endless rage talent or whatever it is that makes zerker rage remove snares, but it barely works on anything

karmic plinth
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does work on the chains

naive ravine
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And now it works on the affix, according to wowhead?

jagged pier
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But u just iv it off

jagged pier
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This weeks one at least

loud willow
naive ravine
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Isnt it better to keep IV when you are struggeling to survive incoming dmg

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(For higher keys)

sharp gale
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you don't have the affix in higher keys

naive ravine
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Oh rly

sharp gale
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in 12 xalatath affix is removed and -15sec per death

jagged pier
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And u get iv back all the time because u are killing mobs

jagged pier
# loud willow https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zKHTVdhcYXnxbJt9 maybe it was my gear and ...

U have the wrong talent u shouldnt be running itf with that amount of hadte u should be running hr
Use are wasting a tone of rage
Your casts are wrong ss and tc should be your highest cast spells rage gen is great than all. Why is revenge your most pressed button?????
All this wrong talents bad rage usage is leading to low block up time so your effectice blocked hits are really low so your getting creamed. Along with this as u arent soending your no dimping rage with ip your just not helping yourself

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Swapping to 1/4 wont do anything for you

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U need to fix the basics

loud willow
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alright thank you

charred ivy
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Im at 31% haste now . Like 1k. Do iTf work soon?

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Probably been answered many times already, but didnt find it

lofty glen
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what did i miss all the timethat peps are playing 1/4??? isnt 4/4 the way?

naive ravine
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I was running ITF with 1k haste and a bit below

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And had some rare moments of major sb issues

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But wasnt a big deal in 10s

naive ravine
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So in theory for more defensive u can opt to not run 4/4 apex

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Getting closer to the ITF breakpoont defenetly reduced how often it happened

lofty glen
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tbh. you habe defensive with the last point XD

naive ravine
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More SS dmg and crit?

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Thats the last point

lofty glen
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Enemies damaged by Phalanx's wave of force deal 5% reduced damage to you for 8 sec.

naive ravine
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I mean u can argue that more dmg = more def cuz mobs die faster

lofty glen
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well than its shitty placed in talent tree order sorry

naive ravine
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I guess

lofty glen
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took out a point and it got lost so i guess it should be a 4/4 point

naive ravine
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Hm on wowhead its bugged I guess

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Cuz it says it on rank 1

lofty glen
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just wanted to make the point why i thinked you get the 5% in 4/4

naive ravine
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Wowhead even shit for looking at talents now or what

lofty warren
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Wowhead for pwar sucks now. Use icy veins

proper shell
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Do we want the Nexus point finger set? or just crit haste fingers on both slots?

naive ravine
hollow patio
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It used to be on 1. They changed it to be on the 4th so you are less inclined to only take the first

winged zenith
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Still 1 and 4 equally divided on very high end keys

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Both good

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Mostly same value with little to no difference

upbeat sable
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Gents, whats your go to opening to keep aggro as thane prot in m+ especially pulling multiple packs?

wanna try prot tanking as an alt, thanks

winged zenith
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Shield charge avatar thunderstorm

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Charge or leap and thunderstorm again if need pull more

upbeat sable
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example AA first pull on 3 lashers without pulling the 3 roaming dragonflies

winged zenith
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There is video about this on youtube by kira

upbeat sable
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ah KiraTank is playing prot this season? thought he is pally ride or die, will check it out..

lofty glen
winged zenith
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Never die on this pull etc something like that

winged zenith
lofty glen
winged zenith
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If you body pulling without any threat generation its yours. If they go giga burst when you gathering its theirs

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Just let them die and go next

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In worst case scenario you can intervene them but never worth it

upbeat sable
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Haha okay, i will let them know to go unga bunga after 3-4gcds. Thanks

lofty glen
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normaly start dmg when all mobs are TOGETHER....

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then you have all mobs and you coud aoe taunt

upbeat sable
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yep,. bit different with brew as i normally just throw keg and apply fire dot, and walk away

naive ravine
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I mean here its TC and walk away

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It applies rend

drowsy comet
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man fuck what random ass people say in chat, its lowkey not worth wasting time to argue with them, think Nim was right what he said yesterday

naive ravine
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Its never worth it

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Just install blacklist warden

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Put them on your list and move on

cerulean tusk
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Ok, I get 1/4, but 3/4 gotta be trolling

drowsy comet
drowsy comet
naive ravine
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You can type in a reason why you blacklist them and it will show up when you que for m+ and stuff so you can avoid ever doing stuff with those ppl again

drowsy comet
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so when you suddenly meet this guy again, will it put a warning there?

naive ravine
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Yeah basically

drowsy comet
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Souns pretty good to me ngl

fringe mural
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Why would you go through the lengths of taking 2 and 3 when you then dont take 10% increased ss, 20% more ss crit and 5% cdr for 1 point

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4/4 is a really good talent

winged zenith
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4/4 is good yes but 1/4 is also goood

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Cant take both

tardy abyss
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1/4 is not good no

bold mortar
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Hey dudes, good morning/good afternoon/good evening. I'm about to start focusing on my prot warr, and I want to craft her shield. Is it worth to take Knight-Commander Palisade (I have the recipe on my BS paladin) or I should just Embelish one spell-breaker's rebuke?

winged zenith
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Rank 1 is 1/4

tardy abyss
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Most dungeons were timed with 4/4

warm plinth
fringe mural
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maybe should've messaged that guy to not do it

coarse bay
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That would be an example of talents not making the player

lofty glen
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All 1/4 players are just stuck in prepatch imo

lofty glen
fringe mural
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in certain very rare scenarios 1/4 might be useful, but it shouldnt be on a regular guide for regular dudes

tardy abyss
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Personally Id only ever run it in seat

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Because these champions are nasty

naive ravine
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Might aswell not skill apex at all then

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It gives nothing but a minor source of dmg

errant wagon
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I started taking 1/4 and putting the points into the remaining tanky talents and it has felt substantially easier to survive FWIW

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sure I take a damage loss but I was no longer getting completely clapped anymore

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this was the 17/18 key break point for me

lofty glen
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And which points did you skilled then? Normaly its healer problem if you dont stay alive (if ypu play the packs right and use your cds)

errant wagon
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don't agree at all that it's healer problem. the dots, rots, and bleeds are insane in this seasons dungeon pool

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i moved points into last stand and indomitable

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very nice to haves on the hard hitting dungeons

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If you just cursory glance at any 17,18,19 key on warcraft log the majority are using 1/4 for survivability. Archon shows it as well.
And just putting in my 2 cents after timing a couple today myself it felt way easier. the DPS loss was definitely worth it

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so don't agree with the 1/4 is bad talk. do it if you need to

naive ravine
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Okay why dont you run no apex then?

jagged pier
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But u can have all those tnaky talents and havs th 5% dr of the 4/4 on top

errant wagon
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something's got to give

naive ravine
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Either 4/4 or 0/4

errant wagon
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i mean sure you can go 0/4 if you want but there is nothing else to gain

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so might as well just keep the 1

naive ravine
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Would you mind showing your talents from the runs?

errant wagon
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one of mine from today. I just pulled from pikawar I believe

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after trying to figure out why my ass was getting clapped so hard

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doing 1/4 lets you take bloodsurge as well while keeping kind of all the other "core" talents which I think is nice

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idk I'm a believer there is a lot of flex in the tree right now

jagged pier
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That will be why

errant wagon
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sure I'm not perfect lmfao

jagged pier
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Wants to be tanky but runs itf without the haste for it

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Making himself less tanky

errant wagon
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I had essentially 0 shield block downtime sometimes I'm just bad at the game

jagged pier
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Wasted a load of rage so indom is doing even less for you

jagged pier
errant wagon
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is this a log analysis that I asked for or??? Just said 1/4 felt fine

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literally feels strong

jagged pier
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But u want to feel strong, but with literally a talent change and playing better you would be

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Has 0 to do with talents

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Well 0 to do with indom and ls

errant wagon
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how are you claiming i wasted rage

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im literaly barely overcapping

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this is nonsense lol

naive ravine
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Those are all def talents u could want

errant wagon
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yea I think if you are confident in your teams damage and you want to play safer roll it

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just wanted to chime in I am a fan of taking out of apex

naive ravine
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Yeah and im saying, if u want to run a max defense build you should try 0 apex

jagged pier
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This is good rage management

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Do u see the differece to yours????

drowsy comet
errant wagon
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lmao. sure it's not perfect but I mean it still is an insane amount of rage spent into indom healing. it's not like it did literaly nothing

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your argument that just playing it better will make up or the defensive-ness of not taking the talents is just absurd

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i don't get this hill you want to die on

jagged pier
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7 mil healing wow

errant wagon
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it is good

jagged pier
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Thats literally less than your leech

coarse bay
jagged pier
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Which also would do more if u played correctly

naive ravine
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  • you dont have to take adive, jakey is just trying to help you survive better
fringe mural
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no one denies that using defensive talents has its uses in certain conditions

coarse bay
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Youre just flexing the wrong talents. Apex isnt a flex point

fringe mural
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apex is a defensive talent as well

jagged pier
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Btw the 5% dr would have dont pretty much the same in terms of actually help u than indom does, just by stopping the damage

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The difference is like 400 dps a second or somthing with quit maths

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Which is nothing

errant wagon
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Just literally never asked for a log analysis. Broa sked for a talent build, I said it felt good. End of story.
I know how to improve my play this was day one of pushing some keys and learning routes lol

jagged pier
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Well u obviously dont because u dont think u overcap rage???

errant wagon
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because I shared a log of some imperfect play you're gonna overreach

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crazy

naive ravine
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Man you rly need to get some fresh air

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No one is trying to invalidate your run

jagged pier
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Im just showing you that the talents arent doing alk that much shruge and even less than they should be

fringe mural
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last stand is a talent that in itself does nothing except catches you when you use wall too late, so you continue using wall too late

naive ravine
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Its advice to make your next run smoother, you dont have to listen. Just say ok and move on if u disagree

fringe mural
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which is detrimental

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to your playing

mild river
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Can we block when we use the trinket "Algeth'ar Puzzle Box"?

tardy abyss
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I dont think the healing of LS matters at all

errant wagon
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Yea sure guess I'll just head out. Appreciate the log review.

tardy abyss
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I see it more as a cushion when starting a big pull due the bigger health pool

charred ivy
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is Arcanoweave Lining x2 our endgoal for m+?

jagged pier
fringe mural
jagged pier
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They point is u can actually take those 3 talents are 4 apex btw i said it at the start

mild river
tardy abyss
jagged pier
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Personally i would not take ls and take tan instead but hey ho, saying 4 apex makes u squishy when it literally does the same amount as indom pretty much mathematically

tardy abyss
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The healing is just fake 99.9% of the time

jagged pier
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Why do ppl think indom is the thing that saves them

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Its not, its bsv

errant wagon
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my initial point is at a certain key level, things hit so hard and so fast that these things do make you feel better

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like in algathar with the axes when they chunk you suddenly with sync attacks. a last stand CAN help

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i think context on key level is hugely important here

drowsy comet
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You guys still arguing? holy shit

jagged pier
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But u know the sync attack is coming sk u should have pressed sw already

naive ravine
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I mean shouldnt you SW b4 they hit you

jagged pier
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Like u know your going inot a pack with axes

errant wagon
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you can't cover em all

jagged pier
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So why are we holding are dr

naive ravine
jagged pier
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So u cant cover all so u cover none and use sw as a heal

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I see

errant wagon
#

yea sorry it's not so much arguing I'm just trying to say I think there is value in these talents haha

fringe mural
#

damage reduction is great in those situations, better than heal

jagged pier
#

And again u can be tankier because u can have all of them and 4 apex points

drowsy comet
fringe mural
#

i'd probably drop tough as nails

naive ravine
#

I rly hope they make ls an indepentent button again

jagged pier
#

So u have another 5% on top of everything

fringe mural
#

what dmg talents would you drop for defensive ones?

naive ravine
fringe mural
#

TaN? What else

jagged pier
daring marlin
#

People really don't realize how big 5% DR is huh

errant wagon
#

I think with talent builds like this we talk a lot about the ideals, but sometimes with M+ things do not go so ideally and perfect

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and having the cushion does help πŸ™‚

tardy abyss
drowsy comet
fringe mural
#

of course, he's just arguing that dropping 5% dr isnt good

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in such situations

jagged pier
#

My point is ppl say i dropped it to take tankier talents, when u literally can keep it and take the same talents

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And u loose less damage too

drowsy comet
#

Id rather do less damage and survive more, than do more damage and get spanked

fringe mural
#

That is exactly the point, because 4/4 is a survival talent

jagged pier
#

But im also pointing out ppl value indom so high because they see it on the meters and the 5% is literally nearly the same thing

errant wagon
#

to me the bigger part of indom was the 10% max health increase.

fringe mural
#

AND a dps talent

jagged pier
#

This isnt classic dead

fringe mural
#

Don't critical hits increase rage too?

jagged pier
#

If we cared for hp we would gem and enchant stam

fringe mural
#

of ss

errant wagon
#

it just feels good man idk what to tell you

jagged pier
fringe mural
#

kk

errant wagon
#

sometimes feels and vibes are needed in prog

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lol

naive ravine
#

Feels and vibes sadly are always second after math

fringe mural
errant wagon
#

as someone who has done the key levels with both taletn sets. it literally just felt good

naive ravine
#

Atleast when it comes to pushing keys

errant wagon
#

i'll just leave it as that I guess cus it was my initial point

fringe mural
#

why not both?

pastel geyser
#

yo guys how bad of an idea is it to macro demo shout into avatar

drowsy comet
naive ravine
#

Did u ever consider personal bias?

fringe mural
jagged pier
#

I love how he dodnt listen when i said u can run both

fringe mural
#

if you press demo shout, it should activate avatar

errant wagon
#

how can you run both

pastel geyser
#

oh fair enough

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didnt even think about this lol

fringe mural
#

but you dont alway have avatar ready when you demo shout

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So you need a seperate avatar hotkey

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so you don't waste avatar uptime by waiting for demo shout

pastel geyser
#

i mean ive been succesfully been playing with demo macrod into avatar so far

jagged pier
#

Ls is your flex point

pastel geyser
#

but ill do it the other way around

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i look at the cd for both so usually i can press the macro to activate one or the other

fringe mural
#

but since demo shout is not a dmg spell the order doesnt really matter

errant wagon
#

losing enduring alacrity is kinda rough, and disurpting shout is like mandatory

pastel geyser
#

well it is a dmg amp spell :P

fringe mural
#

but best case you hit avatar a second after you hit demo shout

jagged pier
#

Also lets not forget ppl say the 5% magic dr talent is huge and have but 5% dr on everything is bad nodders

pastel geyser
#

but yea id say pressing demo > pressing avatar in most situations would be better

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cuz somehow i press the macro and demo doesnt hit all the mobs

fringe mural
#

So you dont waste the gcd of demo shout and have avatar

pastel geyser
#

sometimes*

jagged pier
#

@lusty grotto told yah

errant wagon
#

have we not been takling about M+ the whole time

fringe mural
#

I think best case avatar should be pressed right before tb and after you just activated demo shout

jagged pier
#

Bro im on a phone and trying to get u somthing quickly

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Like i jist took what was cached in my broswer

errant wagon
#

lol k

fringe mural
#

or right before ss respectively

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because from what i read, ss and tb are on par with avatar just activated

pastel geyser
#

did avatar give u 1 or 2 stacks of tb

fringe mural
#

2

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i think

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doesnt really matter though, but pressing avatar makes your next thunderclap be a thunderblast in any case

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So the next tc after avatar is always great

pastel geyser
#

yea i sometimes do TB > avatar > TB when i gathered a pack

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big aoe

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feels nice too :D

drowsy comet
#

bruh thats rude

fringe mural
#

go stretch some more

#

they know you're tense

drowsy comet
#

imma show you how relaxed I am Pepexecute

#

that people even play with leavers is just hilarious, god damn KEKW

fringe mural
#

keystone deserter sounds harsh man

drowsy comet
#

reminds me of those paper hats that say "Looser", looks exactly the same

fringe mural
#

the only time i can 100% make sure i wont desert is at night when everyone is sleeping, even then my cat might puke and my wife step in it

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then i better be a fucking deserter if i want to keep my head on πŸ˜„

drowsy comet
#

You gotta have priorities

pastel geyser
#

i bet u if u have rio and have deserter as tank people would still accept u in a heartbeat with current tank shortage

drowsy comet
#

yea but hes a dps

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i see alot of tanks with deserteur, and honestly its completely valid

coarse bay
#

Deserter isnt valid

daring marlin
#

When I do it's always someone from Azralon

pastel geyser
#

anyone got a cool BCM layout that i could try? im legit lost in this whole addon lol

daring marlin
#

I want more good augvokers tbh

#

They seem well balanced now!

pastel geyser
#

i feel like all the good augvokers are in some kind of slave relationship with high rio dpser

daring marlin
#

gotta find me one

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put him in my pocket

tribal wharf
#

some say its because they dont get picked as tanks and healers

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so they are mad

tardy abyss
#

I wanna try aug once theyre not required to be an ugly dragon in .5

fringe mural
tardy abyss
#

For animation reasons

fringe mural
#

ah

tardy abyss
#

Thats getting fixed in .5

#

They shortly transform to dragons for certain spells and then transform back

fringe mural
#

ah

#

well evoker's being actual dragons makes sense though

tardy abyss
#

Too ugly

fringe mural
#

but if it's not your style i get it

daring marlin
tardy abyss
#

Im sure we will see a lot more evokers after that change

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lmao

daring marlin
#

Wasn't sure if it was in yet

fringe mural
#

i don't like how they run like a gazelle

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that's why i turn on the blood elf form more often than not

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also mog reasons

tardy abyss
#

And transforming just for certain abilities is way cooler ngl

fringe mural
#

Like the flight thingy

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Where they fly over and spit fire

tardy abyss
#

all breaths and I assume also rescue

fringe mural
#

yeah makes sense

tardy abyss
#

Not sure if Im forgetting something

fringe mural
#

but wing buffet as warrior in human form is weird

#

Here, get knocked back by the winds of my... arms

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gotta have some really strong shoulder flapping

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b11 wing buffet in action

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Fury guide is archims on wowhead right?

#

because he the man

tardy abyss
#

ye

fringe mural
#

k

tribal wharf
#

im watching someones higher key for pos

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and they skip the graveblade

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and so im led so believe thats probably a good idea on 10?

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cuz normally i would pull him in

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on the prior pack

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by the cliff

#

newer route based on what we did llast night. and this random video i was watching

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thats the guy in question thought

charred shard
#

Hey guys, newby question but I somehow can't scratch my head over what's written about it on Wowhead/IcyV rotation pages: is this even relevant to use Revenge outside free procs?

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(i took Wlogs best fights and compared to my best ones where I only used Revenge on free procs, and the count difference was kinda marginal, that's why I am asking if losing that GCD is worth it)

naive ravine
#

How exactly does the Kultiran passive work? Do you heal 2% of the actual dmg u take after mitigation or b4 mitigation

#

I still think its an interesting passive they have but it prob wont be that usefull (looking at dwarfs removal with dr)

sharp gale
#

Would need a log of a kultiran to really know

solid sun
#

We don’t really care about the free revenge proc. We just hit our buttons based on the prio and rage management

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But sometimes you get unlucky and you have to fish for SS resets with revenge so you have a period where maybe revenge is getting pressed more

sharp gale
#

I bet it does not stack and next dmg event override the hot

naive ravine
#

So instead it would be a heal 0,5% dmg taken

solid sun
#

Don’t sleep on Nose for Trouble

lusty grotto
#

its still not as good as dwarf and/or nelf

#

no racial in the game is as good as both of those

solid sun
#

Does that potion not work anymore

lusty grotto
#

no

solid sun
#

I wonder why it’s not back

naive ravine
#

I do like the sound of dr on first hit as vulpera

lusty grotto
#

probably because they forgot and/or it wasn't used way too much

solid sun
#

Tbf

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And I want to be clear because I was memeing

naive ravine
solid sun
#

Vulpera is not better than dwarf or nelf

lusty grotto
tribal wharf
#

play whatever you want really

daring marlin
#

Dorf and DI Dorf goated

#

big fireblood fan

tribal wharf
#

if i could have dwarf as any race

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i would

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but i cant

daring marlin
#

plus the fiery beards own

naive ravine
#

I mean I know its not worth it cuz how the fuck can you compete with a debuff removal

lusty grotto
#

or meld

rough nest
#

+12 PoS, no logs but recount

lusty grotto
#

why are we looking at healing here?

#

we dont look at hps

tribal wharf
#

the only time i ever tried to make something night elf was my mage

naive ravine
#

Bursh it Off is the kultiran passive

tribal wharf
#

and blizzard said no

daring marlin
lusty grotto
#

ah got it

tribal wharf
#

so i made it something else again

lusty grotto
#

so yeah its not worth it

rough nest
#

no it's not

#

You go Kul'tiran for the looks, and the haymaker

lusty grotto
naive ravine
#

I mean what would be the best race for tanks in a world where dwarf gets their racial gutted?

daring marlin
#

I'd like kul tiran more without the belly

#

alas

lusty grotto
#

Nelf

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for meld skips

tribal wharf
#

if you want to play a big fat man

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that is the race for you

solid sun
#

Human because sometimes you’re bad and get stunned

tribal wharf
#

im surprised pepega didnt make his fatmaneat character that

lusty grotto
#

dont meme

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human is a non factor

solid sun
#

Wasn’t a non factor on that stupid goblin boss

tribal wharf
#

its good for healer and dps i suppose

solid sun
#

Drill assassins go straight to heck

cerulean tusk
#

I dont know what is going on:

Night Elf is BiS

tribal wharf
#

remove stun is pretty strong

cerulean tusk
#

rekt

sharp gale
daring marlin
#

shame night elves look the way they do

cerulean tusk
#

bigger fan

lusty grotto
#

you mean mug'zee rhino

rough nest
cerulean tusk
#

You havent lived tankbusters with that immunity

#

ya trash person

naive ravine
#

All those racials sound so cool, kinda sad how op dwarf and nelf are

waxen shore
#

Gnome bis

lusty grotto
#

they dont sound cool, they are meme'ing

cerulean tusk
#

I linked nelf racial, wdum

lusty grotto
#

they are whatever

cerulean tusk
#

you trolls

sharp gale
#

Bis racials

lusty grotto
daring marlin
#

dorf is good to remove bleeds

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otherwise, meh?

cerulean tusk
#

dorf is good for being a dork

daring marlin
#

It's not a requirement

lusty grotto
#

its def not

sharp gale
#

You wish you had 136 max rage

lusty grotto
#

its only the best race if youre pushing keys

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otherwise it does not matter

cerulean tusk
#

The tool that solves 99 problems, leaving you one:

lusty grotto
#

yup

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after dwarf

lusty grotto
#

meld is specially useful if youre trying to parse and your co-tank cannot hold agro for shit

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and in seasons where bleeds/dots arent an issue meld is just superior

#

just not this season

lofty glen
#

Which tank is the nearest to playing warry tank?

lusty grotto
#

vdh

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now that frailty is ezmode

#

keep demon spikes up -> keep sb up

#

same deal

lofty glen
#

Hmm okay. And what ist the exaxt opposite of warry?

#

BDK?

lusty grotto
#

yes

#

exactly bdk

lofty glen
#

Okay thats why i hate playing bdk XD

#

Want to try something new and already played in dragonflight vdh

lusty grotto
#

brew is a close 2nd opposite

#

reaction based tanks due to stagger

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while we're a preventive tank

sharp gale
#

I say bear personnaly

#

Closest to prot war

lusty grotto
#

nah vdh is closer

#

bear can be, after vdh

naive ravine
#

What about prot pala

#

Is he the middle ground

sharp gale
#

Bear : 3 button rotation + fusion of SB and IP

lusty grotto
#

somewhere in between

lofty glen
#

Hmmm okay. Still have to lvl up all of them. What is the funnyest?

lusty grotto
#

the funnyest?

sharp gale
#

Biased topic

lusty grotto
#

uhh...

sharp gale
#

Prot war okayge

naive ravine
#

How would the kultiran passive work with shields?

fringe mural
lusty grotto
#

if you mean the funniest, whatever makes the best jokes

#

πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

fringe mural
#

Or invis/rogue shit whatever

naive ravine
#

Does taking dmg count shields aswell?

lusty grotto
sharp gale
lofty glen
lusty grotto
naive ravine
#

Im gonna try kultiran bdk, surely good copium

lusty grotto
#

you do you

sharp gale
lofty glen
#

XD

lusty grotto
#

im not sure why were so focused on KT

#

dwarf has not been nerfed ever

#

nelf has

solid sun
#

Do dragons get racial flight mode or is that only for evokers

naive ravine
#

I have a fetish

lusty grotto
#

human has

sharp gale
#

So I maintain, I think the hot is updated with each hit, so it makes it very doggo

lusty grotto
#

dwarf has not

naive ravine
#

Now its out

fringe mural
#

i'd love to switch to nelf or dwarf again, i was nelf when my char was lvl 1

sharp gale
#

Someone asked about brush it off nim, so we talk about brush it off

undone beacon
fringe mural
#

but cba to run all faction shit again

solid sun
#

That’s sick

fringe mural
#

and trans all alts

solid sun
#

Dragons might be the best lowkey

undone beacon
#

dracthyr prot epic

echo minnow
#

I enjoy my dracythr prot

fringe mural
#

me 2

lusty grotto
#

ugly ass lizards

sharp gale
#

G N O M E

fringe mural
#

but fall dmg doesnt really matter with leap

undone beacon
#

wing buffet is great

#

esp first pull of spire

#

just knock those shits outta the bubble

lusty grotto
#

aight im going back to sleep, good thing i called in sick today

undone beacon
sharp gale
#

Does buffet mean something else than the food thing ?

fringe mural
#

lol

#

but that has always been fun as ele

undone beacon
#

if you've ever been buffetted by the wind

#

its pronounounced buff-ett instead of buff-ey

fringe mural
#

Also the perception bonus is really important

#

not

#

perception is like the shittiest stat this season

sharp gale
#

I will still pronounce wind buff-ey

#

But thx

undone beacon
fringe mural
#

don't they have mastery bonus?

undone beacon
#

Drac does yeah

fringe mural
#

That's fine for sure

undone beacon
#

They have Mastery+Perception, Knockback CC, Glide, Out of Combat regen bonus, and racial flight

fringe mural
#

Glide is fine for encounters when leap is on cd

#

And you fall

#

Or lag

undone beacon
#

Glide is super nice knockback cancel, plus it does funny things on last boss of caverns and the likes

#

If you are gliding when he does the knockback slam you go zooooom

sharp gale
#

Knockback cancel on a warrior monkahmm

echo minnow
#

Having swapped from DH to Warrior, having glide as my instant reaction to knockback is just ingrained at this point

fringe mural
#

it's cool against unkickable folks or people in ground effects/bubbles

fringe mural
undone beacon
#

Yeah if you hit spacebar/glide while in the air immediately after a knockback it cancels all momentum

#

so you just dont go anywhere

fringe mural
#

man

solid sun
#

Skyreach hates this one trick

fringe mural
#

that's awesome

sharp gale
#

charge

fringe mural
#

i know charge is better

#

because rage

solid sun
#

Sometimes you play when you’re sleepy and you don’t hit charge fast enough

sharp gale
#

Glide is better than charge tho

fringe mural
#

but yes charge needs to be timed

#

and you dont want to always be at the mob again right away

solid sun
#

I wish dragons could be DK’s

fringe mural
#

like when they knockback and create a deadly ground effect

#

charging back in yo

sharp gale
#

Not really, it’s just you can’t charge too close or if way not found, no need to be timed, you spam charge button

#

Since you can’t charge in melee

#

When I have the white arrow in skyreach I just spam charge at the end of the cast

fringe mural
#

if you get kicked by chimaerus because you stood wrong lol

#

Glide yeah

#

look at me i'm a faildrake

sharp gale
#

Yeah or chimaerus glide is good too

#

Less good on us bc warrior, but still

naive ravine
#

Rasageth missing a charge

undone beacon
#

also sometimes charge does stupid things. I charged back to last boss on MT and it made me run to the other side of the boss through a beam >:(

solid sun
#

When you’re customizing your dragon do you have to put the armor pieces on to wear visible gear?

sharp gale
#

I think you can fight as human drake

undone beacon
#

On your dragon form yeah you do that in the barber

sharp gale
#

If you are not evoker

undone beacon
#

But i stay as visage mostly

echo minnow
undone beacon
#

Yeah I learned that lol

fringe mural
#

the rest is barber

#

afaik

solid sun
#

So in the customize menu enable shoulders and belts and then go to the barber for the others but also just stay in visage form

echo minnow
#

You don't have to make the armor show, but you can use the Dracthyr armor to mix with the shoulders you get from mog to make decent blended sets (sorry, just showing an example and will delete photo if needed)

echo minnow
#

ha

undone beacon
#

You can use the new mog system to set a seperate mog in dracthyr and visage form, so my dracthyr "mog" is just shoulders/belt mogged

solid sun
#

Slick

opal ridge
ruby musk
ruby musk
#

Hot dog

#

I know what im doing when I log lol

solid sun
#

Prot channel just the same as anywhere else on the net

#

Looking for prot info an getting nerd dragon ish instead

shrewd moss
#

all non-humanoid races are just for furries right?

undone beacon
#

All races in wow are humanoid smh

warm plinth
#

Aren't all races humanoid?

shrewd moss
#

fine, everything that isn't an elf variant, human variant, or dwarf/gnome

warm plinth
#

There's definitely representation options for furries but I don't hate vulpera personally. Worgen are just awful though.

#

I want to like them but I just can't

undone beacon
#

I hate vulpera not because they are furries but because what they deprived the horde of

#

I will die on the hill that we shoulda had Gilgoblins/Kelfin instead

echo minnow
warm plinth
#

I'm just glad MoP gave us pandaren and left jinyu and hozen behind

naive ravine
#

Birds?

warm plinth
#

They could've done really cool shit with boots where they're like hoofplates or claw guards and instead they just look like super bulky and ugly ankle guards on all of them

undone beacon
#

that would've meant they remodeled all the new boots and aint no way they're doing that

#

but yeah vulpera shoulda been left to fester in vol'dun and the horde shoulda recruited the Unshackled of Nazjatar into the horde proper

warm plinth
#

More worthwhile effort than the 10 billionth horse or dragon mount variant

undone beacon
#

Not only would that have been a great way to build back up the naval forces after we let the Zandalari navy get blasted into dust, but the Unshackled are basically a mini underwater horde and fit the vibes so well

echo minnow
#

It takes a lot of work from Blizz to take a dragon mount and then change it's color /s

warm plinth
#

Hey I'm not saying there aren't some super cool dragon mounts (fae dragon, worldbreaker are a couple examples) but most are 100% needless

undone beacon
#

Unbound Star-Eater is a slick dragon mount

warm plinth
#

That's the star/galaxy type one from dimensius right

undone beacon
#

Yarp

warm plinth
#

Yeah that one is pretty cool

undone beacon
#

I wish it had a more unique mountspecial but thats whatever

warm plinth
#

Or hey, how about just ridding the world of any of those godawful worm or worm-like mounts

#

Using that effort on boots instead, ez

#

Time travel when blizz

undone beacon
#

The cloud serpent rig and its consequences have been a disaster for mount society

#

I fucking hate that rig

warm plinth
#

I hate them all.

undone beacon
#

and they keep re-using it

#

Every expansion has another cloud serpent rig mount, or multiple

#

BFA Old God worms, Legion Sea Serpents, SL Ardenling dragon things, the new trading post vine serpent

warm plinth
#

Though I have gone out of my way to get a few of that type of mount, either through random impulse (ivory cloud serpent) or the related adventure (riddler worm and the plaguefall solo one)

undone beacon
#

Like I get them all because im a numbers go up girly but i wont ride them

warm plinth
#

I literally never use them after obtaining them though. Not sure what that says about me.

undone beacon
#

The only one I'll tolerate is Yu'lei from MoP timewalking because its funny to ride around on THE jade serpent model

calm plaza
#

i’ve still got a very soft spot for the serpents bc i worked so hard for them back in MoP

#

fed them and everything

#

😌

warm plinth
#

I never got into any of the little mini game things in MoP

#

Never did the farm or the cloud serpent thing

undone beacon
#

Thats a shame, they were pretty neat ngl

#

i loved my farm

calm plaza
#

it’s never too late to get into Battle Pets #savebattlepets

undone beacon
warm plinth
#

I think the last couple things I actually took the time to grind out that were even remotely similar were the feed the bug thing in Uldum during BfA and the nether drake shit in tbc lol

#

I remember flying around for hours looking for eggs on netherwing ledge

calm plaza
#

that’s the stuff

undone beacon
#

tbh i dont have most of the "feed the mount daily for a week/month" mounts because im too adhd brain and forget after two days

#

Would be a few easy mounts to get

#

I'm so close to 1000 mounts

plush tendon
#

very time consuming

#

it made sense back in the day

calm plaza
plush tendon
#

when we had daily quest hubs

#

but game is changed now

undone beacon
#

I just broke 960 the other night i think

warm plinth
#

I think I only recently hit 300 mounts after almost 20 years of wow

plush tendon
#

Does it matter how many mounts you have? I still use the same two

undone beacon
#

Just like in real life, if it will let me ride it I will

#

I mean

plush tendon
#

I have the winged lion+ the travelers bear; everything else is just number go up

undone beacon
warm plinth
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There have been a few over the years that I went after but I have to really enjoy either the mount or the content to get the mount

undone beacon
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I am a big fan of number go up

warm plinth
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Winged lion?

plush tendon
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shop mount

calm plaza
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yeah some raids are more fun to farm than others

undone beacon
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I use like, 5 mounts total lol

plush tendon
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theres a winged lion that looks really cool

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so I bought it

warm plinth
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The quilen? Or something else

plush tendon
undone beacon
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Winged Guardian or something right

calm plaza
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i LOVE making transmogs for different mounts

plush tendon
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^ dis one

undone beacon
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yeah that thing

warm plinth
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Ohhh I forgot about that one

calm plaza
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the trading post has been feeding me very very nice mounts that are easy to mog with

plush tendon
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then I use this one

calm plaza
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that green gryphon from a while back was πŸ’―

plush tendon
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for mog and selling stuff

warm plinth
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I have several shop mounts but don't have that one

undone beacon
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My favorite store mount is the Grinning Reaver because i won it from a trivia night peepo

plush tendon
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I didnt shell out $100 for the Bruto

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which I kind of regret.... maybe next time XD

undone beacon
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I bought a bruto with gold keks

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Worth 100%

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was like 2mil in tokens?

calm plaza
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i’m gonna be liquidating my assets when those flying squirrels go on sale πŸ‘€πŸ₯Ί

plush tendon
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but I love my winged guardian

undone beacon
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This is a sick ass mount

plush tendon
plush tendon
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its a bug

undone beacon
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Evil bug of doom

plush tendon
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why ride bug, when there is lion and bear?

outer willow
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Only mount is the hivemind

warm plinth
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I have the warforged nightmare, fey dragon, celestial steed, most of the Chinese new year ones, and the trader brutosaur

outer willow
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All the homies get to ride

undone beacon
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because evil bug of doom

warm plinth
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I thought only the people who got hivemind with you could ride with you

undone beacon
warm plinth
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That's why i never bothered with it. I have other jellyfish mounts so didn't seem worth

outer willow
undone beacon
warm plinth
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I have the zereth mortis one and the legion weekly one (which I'm proud of because I did not get it during remix)

undone beacon
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Best mount NA

outer willow
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YAK

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Goat?

warm plinth
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Though I was very lucky with that one and only had to wait a couple of weeks for it to show up as the reward back then

outer willow
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I’m not a biologist

undone beacon
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smol goat

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yeah i got the Kosumoth jelly back in legion

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Was slick

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I still need to go farm out the Margoss fish

calm plaza
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I had a really shitty job as a bank teller and for our christmas bonus one year we got $25 visa gift cards, so i said fuck it and treated myself to the Luminous Starseeker from the shop. probably my favorite mount to this day, and bc it changes colors it makes for a very fun and challenging mog

undone beacon
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Was sad that wasnt part of lemix lol

calm plaza
warm plinth
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the mounts I'm really sad I lost with my whole original account debacle are the talbuks from nagrand

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I worked so hard for those and now they're gone sadge though I suppose it would be a lot easier to get them again now than when I was soloing halaa guards on my bear back then at the insane rate of one guard every like 6 mins

calm plaza
stone tundra
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There is sometimes a garrison mission giving you the required currency to buy one of the pvp talbuks

plush tendon
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what % of prot chat is actually talking about prot war stuff

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im thinking like maybe 5%

stone tundra
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Prot warrior needs to mount

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Therefore 100%

plush tendon
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true

stone tundra
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Simple meth

dusky canopy
daring marlin
solid sun
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I feel like I’m the best mount

icy yarrow
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Nah, best mount the one from TWW meta

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A real Tank

solid sun
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No it’s me

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Shut up

undone beacon
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Geargrinder + Big G great mount combo

icy yarrow
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Weirdo

naive ravine
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How does no stranger to pain work? Does it increase the actual amount we get from pressing IP or does it just change how much of a hit can go into IP?

deft radish
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What's the !command for Into the Fray Haste?

undone beacon
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There isnt a command, its just 1188 haste

alpine terrace
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random question...
if there are like 3 packs that u wanna grab aggro on in an m+, how do youi do it? do you heroic throw to 2 of the packs then dash into the 3rd and aoe thunder clap?
or like taunt + heroic leap + taunt + throw?

plush tendon
# naive ravine

prob a easy test, but reading the tooltip, it increases the size of each ignore pain

alpine terrace
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been loving prot warrior tho! very fun class

deft radish
undone beacon
plush tendon
undone beacon
plush tendon
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gotta make sure you hit em with something

undone beacon
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Careful about just leaping into a pack because its very easy to take backshots that way

alpine terrace
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ah I'm very glad I asked. good insight

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cause you take more dmg from mobs behind you, right?

undone beacon
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You cant block behind yourself

plush tendon
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yea, taking backshots is a insta way to die

undone beacon
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So, essentially yes

plush tendon
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its also ok to not tag/group every pack insta

alpine terrace
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as in shield block wouldnt even be proccing if i had that going?

plush tendon
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you can charge into a pack, establish your reasource/SB, then go into next

undone beacon
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Shield block just sets your block chance to 100%

plush tendon
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dont feel like you need to spend your first 3 globals tagging 3 packs in a row

undone beacon
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So if mobs are behind you, you cant block them, you take unmitigated damage

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you die

alpine terrace
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but blocking is only done to mobs in front of you? I see right ty

lofty warren
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On the last boss of magister's terrance, what controls when youre going to poop? Sometimes boss gives me circle and I dont poop for a while and other times he makes me go right away

undone beacon
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Its the dispel pepega

plush tendon
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its on healer

undone beacon
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Your healer controls that

plush tendon
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some insta dispell, others dont

lofty warren
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What happens if they never dispel you