there is also shoudler ones @lofty warren
#protection
tribal wharf
oblique garnet
Leech???
tribal wharf
and then you got the rest already, chest maybe, but that one is expensive
daring narwhal
get avoidance (in raid)
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto leech is back on the menu?!?!
undone beacon
Leech build when
undone beacon
Imagine not slapping speed on everything you own
coarse bay
Obviously warrior takes haste, but does anybody have a sim string to sim for AA buffs?
Surely pash knows
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> leech is back on the menu?!?!
well yes, we have a talent for it 🙂
but also thanks for the PTSD
ivory barn
lmao, I got fucked back to fury 
lusty grotto
oblique garnet
but also thanks for the PTSD
Youre welcome, thats apparently the only thing im good for nowadays
tribal wharf
some point i did have i guess it was a veteran one of those rings with some leech or whatever
if i get both of those rings at myth and with leech or avoidance
they are never coming off
oblique garnet
9 mins till midnight
Hmm
oblique garnet
youre acting sus now
tribal wharf
youre acting sus now
coarse bay
I wouldve missed you nim
tribal wharf
i was rolling when t his shit happened in game
coarse bay
lusty grotto
i would have missed you too cam
oak ivy
Hey lads have we seen the IO shenanigans goin on today?
tribal wharf
rolling around in my coffin
lusty grotto
and yogi too
coarse bay
Never forgetting yogu
lusty grotto
yo late you playing soon?
coarse bay
Yogi
fringe mural
So nothing new
well the last time the bombers were in the air they actually bombed
so it was fair to be a little afraid
oblique garnet
yo late you playing soon?
Idk im taking 2 month vacation in 5 days so i can watch the nuclear fallout from the sea
oak ivy
weird stuff going on with points today, one image is my own, the other is a friend's
lusty grotto
where you going
oblique garnet
Thailand
tribal wharf
im putting that damned video on twitter
oblique garnet
Yeah except im a little bit worried on how my flight will get through
lusty grotto
oh
tribal wharf
the lol charge pathing one
fringe mural
Yeah except im a little bit worried on how my flight will get through
because of the kerosine price?
a lot of flights got cancelled
lusty grotto
well i hope its a fun trip
fringe mural
at least here
lusty grotto
i had to deal with the TSA thing last week
oblique garnet
Nah that aint it, just on how the flight path will be as we cant cross russian airspace rn
lusty grotto
but i had a fun time
fringe mural
countries like thailand are always nice
oblique garnet
And since agent orange is playing fast and loose in the middle east
lusty grotto
ive never been past europe as an american tbh
oblique garnet
nobody gives enough fucks about them to fight wars over them
Thats because they arent part of the abrahamic religion countries
lusty grotto
id like to someday for sure
fringe mural
ive never been past europe as an american tbh
i haven't been past europe as a european
but i'm poor so
lusty grotto
ive been planning to go to germany for years
waxen frigate
Nice
lusty grotto
before i do asian countries
waxen frigate
Those are prob decent
fringe mural
ive been planning to go to germany for years
any particular region?
lusty grotto
no idea tbh
just touristy places for sure
and wherever there's beer and good food
fringe mural
touristy places usually dont have the good food 😄
lusty grotto
yeah i know
oblique garnet
But tbf im also a bit worried as there was ukrainian drones that had landed in finland so there might be some issues with flights
daring marlin
had a prot warrior in a 17 WS and he was a brick wall
lofty warren
it is 8 pm and the world has not stopped spinning 
daring marlin
hell yeah
lusty grotto
But tbf im also a bit worried as there was ukrainian drones that had landed in f...
sounds complicated
lusty grotto
i do have to ask though
fringe mural
we should just remove all the wannabe lords from power so people can go back and care about their daily business again
lusty grotto
two months is a long time
fringe mural
i'm so done
oblique garnet
Yeah
undone beacon
What’s going on now
outer willow
this fuckin' guy
That happens a lot
daring marlin
fringe mural
a colleague from my wife went to thailand to retire
undone beacon
This is why I turn my bnet to offline smh
lusty grotto
i dont think ive ever done a 2 month thing, most time ive done is like two weeks at best
oblique garnet
I was thinking of renting a villa on an island for 350€/45 days
lusty grotto
what the fuck
fringe mural
dafuq
lusty grotto
thats so cheap
oblique garnet
But we will see it seems the island might be getting a bit too crowded so i need to ask around the locals bit more
fringe mural
we have fish and cats so we cant go away for a long time
lusty grotto
lol
fringe mural
unless we have someone living here for that time
oblique garnet
we have fish and cats so we cant go away for a long time
Well you could but then youd only have a cat left
fringe mural
Well you could but then youd only have a cat left
oh no they dont touch the water
it's salt water
oblique garnet
They do when they are hungry
lusty grotto
well usually you find someone to cat sit, or a pet sitter service, at least in NA
lusty grotto
yeah its best to have a friend or neighbor that can do it
fringe mural
especially if they have to take care of a reef tank too
lusty grotto
or family even
fringe mural
most cat sitters wont do that
lusty grotto
i used to have a reef tank, etc so i understand
oblique garnet
to sleep now or do i eat some soup and binge watch some tv show till i go to the bank in the morning
lusty grotto
there's all kinds of plumbing below the tank
what do you have in it
when i say i used to have one, i meant when i was much younger, my parents took care of it, but we had a lot of anemonae, clown fish, hermit crabs, etc
oblique garnet
have a fun trip Late
Absolutely if only your president keeps his fingers off the button for long enough
lusty grotto
trust me i would say something about the cheetoh but i dont wanna go full political in here
but 
oblique garnet
Aye but hes just a puppet
lusty grotto
also
oblique garnet
And im pretty sure cant say who is pulling the strings without inviting a botfarm
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
unreal sequoia
What's the common opinion on using tanking trinkets in m+?
lusty grotto
use them when you need it
otherwise dont
solarcore is the strongest one, very good partial shield
the others are decent, jelly is meh
unreal sequoia
I got a mid 272 Ampoule of Pure Void since it was my only option today. It sims -700 to my 259 trinkets. So I didn't know if I should bother using it
lusty grotto
that trinket can be situationally good
for example for NPX's first pull
or any case where heal absorbs are a problem, but most notably left side NPX
so you can opt to use it there, at least when pushing
fringe mural
ty
lusty grotto
could be okay for MT's 2nd part but... there's more dangerous mobs than the fat void's heal absorbs
so at best i would use it in NPX, and thats it
tribal wharf
the most dangerous part of MT for me at least is the damned maze
i ran that place like 4 times today
unreal sequoia
Got it thank you
tribal wharf
every single time i screwed up the maze
fringe mural
what do you have in it
a pair of clowns and about 20 others, different kinds
a lot of snails
some sea urchins
fringe mural
and not as much coral as i'd like to have
lusty grotto
and not as much coral as i'd like to have
nice
yeah coral is kinda rough to find right now
and probably for the foreseeable future
fringe mural
it has been a rough road, i started the tank in 2024
but it's getting healthier
and stuff starts growing
lusty grotto
fringe mural
it's really cool to see corals overgrowing stone and spreading, even though it's slow
tribal wharf
how about nexus trinket or contract (seat)
do youi like those?
i have never goten either
lusty grotto
no
contract is dps only anyway, and its meh
and NPX trinket is meh as well
mid at best
tribal wharf
i have i feeling i would like the nexus one because its just a simple random bolt
lame it gets split among targets
gray pecan
is it too late to pull the log for this?
i got WCL but this is what the ingame DPS meter captured
lusty grotto
if you were logging just upload it
daring marlin
frost mages continue to be hit or miss
ele shams too
guarantee these bozos were holding cds too long
lusty grotto
frost mages continue to be hit or miss
its healing priests for me
daring marlin
its healing priests for me
true
lusty grotto
its very rare to find a good one
daring marlin
disc can either be godlike and nobody loses hp or they suck
lusty grotto
most of them just suck
daring marlin
like HARD
lusty grotto
yup
undone beacon
do we need a blood dk for mythic dragons
im being told we need two bdks
yeah looking at these logs its rough
fuck bdk man
distant dove
Does anyone have any tips for prot dps? I feel like im missing something cause my numbers are pretty garbo
lusty grotto
do you have logs?
distant dove
vanguard was just me trying not to fuck up taunts so that's probably irrelevant
But others an attempt at dpsing was made
distant dove
Yeah potting im aware, working on it
You think trinkets could be a good chunk of the problem?
lusty grotto
i wouldnt stress too much right now, we're fresh out of two weeks of RWF where the top logs are people split-geared
your gameplay is not bad at all
that being said youre capping rage way too much
consume
use IP
that shouldn't happen
use IP
make AM work for you
for Avatar resets
distant dove
what's IP?
lusty grotto
Ignore Pain
distant dove
Ah right
lusty grotto
rage dump at 70+ rage
read this on its usage: #protection message
thats probably your biggest mistake
everything else looks good
fix that, youll get more Avatar resets (and walls), and Outbursts and your dps will increase
distant dove
Will give it a read. Thanks!
distant dove
Noted! Appreciate the help^^
opal ledge
any estimate on how much bloodsurge and instigate impact on rage generation?
lusty grotto
instigate is higher rage gen
bloodsurge is normalized
i cant recall the calculations that were done back when they first showed up (or were nerfed) but that's about the gist of it
solid sun
@fringe mural can you answer this
Just making sure your issue was resolved. I was cooking when you DM’d me
tribal wharf
im srurprsed how effective spell reflect lura beams works
you'll have it ready for each cast
and you use it and then you take no dmg from it at all
does multiple beams
that or keystone level too low to hurt me
its like match made in heaven
spark mortar
Yet another "Mark of Light" post. It's either that or the ridiculous stacked Haste ring.
lusty grotto
unfortunate
spark mortar
I mean Nim here's the entire picture.
I have a better shield, I have the shoulders and legs already. The CHEST is the thing I need to upgrade and it's the same ilvl. 🪦
lusty grotto
sounds like a socket, unless if you dont have a myth trinket
lofty warren
is this trink bad
lusty grotto
you can just send crests on it, and thats one myth trinket done
tribal wharf
fre trinket upgrades in future ya lol
lusty grotto
any estimate on how much bloodsurge and instigate impact on rage generation?
BS is a 30% chance per instance of rend damage every 3 seconds for 5 rage, its not per rend, its per rend damage, meaning you wont get more with more targets rended
instigate is 10% chance (since we're using Devastator) per auto attack to generate 2 rage, this is increased by haste and skyfury (windfury) attacks
mighty valley
is this trink bad
315 what
spark mortar
fre trinket upgrades in future ya lol
Truth.
lusty grotto
instigate averages around 2k rage in 30mins
bloodsurge averages around 1.8k rage in 30 mins
@opal ledge
opal ledge
nice, thanks
how much we generate in average without those talents in 30 min? i've no idea
lusty grotto
technically, bloodsurge is also increased by haste since rend ticks are hastened
without any of them?
hmm...
opal ledge
yes
lusty grotto
hard to say
theres a lot of stuff that generates rage
obviously #1 is SS
by a massive amount
opal ledge
i'm playing without both, idk
whirling blade seems to generate a lot
mighty valley
generating rage generates more rage
lusty grotto
bloodsurge you can do without, i play without it
opal ledge
with both i kinda feel... it's too much rage? i'm spamming IP like a lot
mighty valley
spending rage is great though
lusty grotto
thats why bloodsurge isnt really recommended
but instigate is
its good for r1 keys though
i suppose
opal ledge
i dropped it for last stand, i really like last stand
lusty grotto
well you do you, but again that's not our recommendation
more rage = more rage consumption = more avatars, walls, outbursts
mighty valley
you’ll want last stand less and less as you can anticipate damage better
lusty grotto
last stand is easily talented by swapping a different talent
than instigate specifically
opal ledge
are u guys playing the one that reduces cd?
lusty grotto
no we play DA
IW used to be good in DF and the first half of TWW, but it got super nerfed in mid TWW so we have not talented it
opal ledge
i will be testing no apex now
opal ledge
13's 14 maybe
lusty grotto
point still stands
opal ledge
right now im doing 6 to help some returnign friends xD
opal ledge
it's just testing, idk
lusty grotto
testing what, we've already tested it
opal ledge
how it feels the gameplay
opal ledge
for me is feeling different, as i said a lot of rage
lusty grotto
and have -5% DR
but you have instigate
we never recommended both
im not talking about rage
im talking about 1/4
why would you do that?
you have nothing to gain but everything to lose
undone beacon
nim i think the phrase is you have nothing to lose but your chains
lusty grotto
oh well, your loss
just please dont recommend those setups here
thats your thing
and your thing alone
opal ledge
i'm not reccomending anything
lusty grotto
but youre posting pictures of scuffed talents that lurkers can think are correct
either way, ty
gray pecan
so my log didnt generate...using dbm it should be automatic yeah?
or is there a command i need to use everytime
opal ledge
testing this too, the healing feels nice in big packs
lusty grotto
if its turned on, it should automatically enable itself when you start the key
make sure you have advanced combat logging on
lusty grotto
testing this too, the healing feels nice in big packs
you dont need to tell us, we've already "tested" it
opal ledge
bro i'm just chatting
lusty grotto
the only use for it is NPX left side
thats it
better trinkets for the rest of the dungeons
if youre going defensive you dont want heals, you want solar core
see here #protection message
for ampoule talk
solid sun
@frosty mango are you ready
upbeat sable
any talent choices that i can learn for m+ clearing M12+ ? curious on prot tank, so i made an alt. my main is brew
lusty grotto
np, let us know if you have any questions
lusty grotto
hmm
myth gloves are better than anything else
bigger stat pool
but cloak is a runner up
fallow fern
yea.. would you cata them?
lusty grotto
ok then cata them
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine
fallow fern
was hoping for a damn chest.. maybe next week
lofty warren
there isn't a single trinket from m+ that is above B tier that is not puzzle box?
also hook is there 2x
undone beacon
Ripped this from the dungeon box
lofty warren
is 2x socket on a neck legal?
undone beacon
it is for Luura neck 
lofty warren
:peepo: bis next
torn gulch
one neck and one ring have 2 sockets
opal ledge
checking some logs...
bloodsurge is like 8% of the rage generation, it translates in like 50 extra IP... or 2 IP per minutes. (some extra healing, procs too)
instigate is like a similar gain... but will be more valuable in boss fights.
lusty grotto
i dont know why i even bother
daring marlin
lusty grotto
pretty much
solid sun
I think Jakey takes instigate and bs
But I'm pretty sure I only take instigate
Jakey better than me so he probably uses the extra rage way better than I would
opal ledge
you guys don't like knowing the numbers on ur class?
lofty warren
been enjoying these talents
opal ledge
no, you just told me different numbers
lofty warren
with bsv I can even more aggro with pulls
solid sun
tbh idc about the numbers
I let the TC's tell me what's good
What am I gonna do with numbers
lusty grotto
dear Rhino,
instigate is better rage gen than bloodsurge, bloodsurge does not benefit from added rended mob count
signed,
rat
opal ledge
i will try playing with instigate for a while, i just feel really bad by dropping last stand
solid sun
opal ledge
i want a heart of wind, that trinket never drops for me
i also want a solar core
coarse bay
no, you just told me different numbers
do you know that sims are the average of thousands of iterations, making it potentially different than a single log?
shrewd moss
Used belf racial after pulling those two packs with absorbs in Maisara. Didn’t know they explode. My team’s health became a vertical line. I survived with 1.3% HP
daring marlin
i want a heart of wind, that trinket never drops for me
i also want a solar core
that thing SUCKS
lusty grotto
Used belf racial after pulling those two packs with absorbs in Maisara. Didn’t k...
haha
damn
solid sun
What are the odds Petri is just another form of pepega
shrewd moss
Team handled it very well, they were our only deaths, and we timed. They explained calmly to me.
solid sun
Gotta be right
opal ledge
Used belf racial after pulling those two packs with absorbs in Maisara. Didn’t k...
i saw that happen once, it was funny
coarse bay
is there a sim that gives rage generation?
If you run an advanced sim you can look at the full report
lusty grotto
cam
undone beacon
Used belf racial after pulling those two packs with absorbs in Maisara. Didn’t k...
lmao. First time in there on a 10 i thought it would be helpful to drop a mass dispel on that pack. It was not
coarse bay
shrewd moss
lmao. First time in there on a 10 i thought it would be helpful to drop a mass d...
Yep. Exactly the case. Great way to learn a lesson!
lusty grotto
nothing we tell him will be enough, so dont bother
coarse bay
lmao
undone beacon
I knew doing delves in dps loot spec would pay off one day
opal ledge
i've no idea what is a pepega
coarse bay
true very selectively
lusty grotto
except when general chat tells him something
coarse bay
im gonna start learning apl stuff
lusty grotto
that he listens to with full attention
lusty grotto
im gonna start learning apl stuff
i can help out if you need
solid sun
Have y'all seen this sound game where you try to recreate tones?
Interested to see how tone deaf you are?
undone beacon
i was talking about looking at apl stuff when you were gone nim
but idk where to even start
lusty grotto
github
coarse bay
i can help out if you need
cool ill make sure to hit you up with questions. I have a couple guides to start with and itll probably take me a bit just to read apls and get a basic understanding
lusty grotto
undone beacon
slick
lusty grotto
https://github.com/nimchip/simc this is my fork but i havent touched it in a few
coarse bay
question rq, im sure i can find it by looking through a guide but
what would line_cd=9999 be for
setting a condition based on talent selection
coarse bay
im just reading through my own sim and see a whole section with it
under actions cds, maybe mages do something a little diff
tight mural
does anyone feel like dungeons are weird today
like doing more damage or mechanics going off faster than usual
coarse bay
a few as example
lusty grotto
let me check
solid sun
Is 9999 just like a max limit
lusty grotto
seems like it but line_cd is the important part
coarse bay
ya its only used in this section, i was thinking maybe it referenced a cd priority of some sort labeled 9999 but nope
solid sun
line_cd can be used to force a length of time, in seconds, to pass after executing an action before it can be executed again. In the example below, the second line can execute even while the first line is being delayed because of line_cd.
coarse bay
so probably wants to use it as an opener and then act differently after
maybe
idk it probably doesnt matter lmao i was just curious
lusty grotto
wingsco is the one that added that update a month ago btw
ive no idea who it is but maybe you do
coarse bay
ik the guy working on this apl maybe he goes by that on github
lusty grotto
likely
solid sun
I realize now that what I copied references an example, so here it is:
Cast soulburn exactly once during dark soul (which has a 20s duration)
actions+=/soulburn,line_cd=20,if=buff.dark_soul.up
Cast soulburn during the execute phase when UA is on its last tick
actions+=/soulburn,if=target.health.pct<=20&dot.unstable_affliction.ticks_remain<=1
coarse bay
or one of them
solid sun
I didn't intend for some of it to be super huge but oh well
soulburn is very important
coarse bay
oh cool so if i go to the githubs of apls some people put notes etc
lusty grotto
solid sun
I'll have you know I went straight to the simc wiki on github
lusty grotto
good shit
coarse bay
ty u two ❤️ was kinda random thing
about to build an apl for prot that uses whirlwind
solid sun
This section actually has 3 different things under "Time-based usages"
lusty grotto
lmao
solid sun
time, time_to_Xpct, and line_cd
coarse bay
idk i feel like most apls are super fleshed out idek where you'd start when looking for improvements
lusty grotto
mage seems like one of the more complicated one
however
you should take a look at DH's
it is... intense
solid sun
havoc specifically or all of them
coarse bay
is it just trying small changes and running iterations looking for any gain for reasonable actions i guess
lusty grotto
vengeance too
coarse bay
wow dh is long
solid sun
Meyra said the new spec is like 3.5 buttons, so I'd imagine it's relatively tame
coarse bay
mages are pretty simple in midnight i wouldnt expect them to be the most complicated
lusty grotto
yeah dev is pretty short in comparison
coarse bay
most of arcane apl looks like its for the hero talent we dont play
oh nvm its just segmented in a way i read wrong
solid sun
Cam you aren't starting off very well
solid sun
Is the fury apl just a bunch of recipes for turkey legs and brisket
solid sun
Nice
lusty grotto
but told him about it of course
coarse bay
btw i have raidbots premium or whatever but i can get like a simc app right
for running stuff?
coarse bay
ah k
coarse bay
lmao
lusty grotto
the UI is just there, but the simc devs will just tell you to send on raidbots
its kind of in a deprecated state
plus it really does need some horsepower sometimes
coarse bay
so obviously anything done would be work with an existing default profile
but how do they assign actions like actions.thane_st
lusty grotto
do you mean in raidbots?
coarse bay
ya
coarse bay
no like we have the actions separated by like actions.thane_st and actions.aoe etc
coarse bay
but how does it differentiate
is that their end
and just have set action parameters to use
lusty grotto
coarse bay
oooh
lusty grotto
that determines which action list gets ran
solid sun
Based on the parameters of the sim right
Like number of bosses, etc
Talents selected
lusty grotto
you can make a lot of conditions there
coarse bay
ok cool, i expected to see something like that at the top and overlooked
lusty grotto
thats how you adapt the APL to things like hectic cleave, executable ranges, etc
its just an assload of work
coarse bay
ya makes sense i wasnt sure if i was able to create action lists myself
solid sun
Cam none of this learning is going to make you better than me.
coarse bay
lmfao
solid sun
you already are
lofty warren
why cant you just script every possible combination and run sim on everything. no thinking involved
lusty grotto
because people dont get paid for it
coarse bay
theres also like an infinite amount of things u can do
lusty grotto
pay me a salary and ill do it for sure
but i aint cheap
when the apl satisfies most needs as it is, its just unneeded
at some point you're just nit-picking
squeezing the very last drop of optimizations
coarse bay
ya i think some things in apls are there just for the bot anyways and not humanly possible
lofty warren
i mean. do you have all possible combinations in a db or some text file? heck even I can make a script that spits out all possible combinations
opal ledge
i mean. do you have all possible combinations in a db or some text file? heck ev...
you can't run everything, it would take forever to run that simulation
lofty warren
all talent combinations? i think you can def make a list of all of them. how many that will result in * time to do sim for each = total compute time. What is more difficult is quantifying the quasi-qualitative value like cheat death
coarse bay
and i see this line high prio is where it reads what action list to run?
actions+=/call_action_list,name=variables
lusty grotto
all talent combinations? i think you can def make a list of all of them. how man...
trust, we keep track
coarse bay
or tells it to read it
lusty grotto
yeah thats just loading any variables
before everything else,
variables are action.variables
i put them at the bottom because thats what i saw Archi did, but im sure other APLs have it elsewhere
lofty warren
How do you keep track of thw quantitative value given to qualitative attributes such as cheat d
coarse bay
so do i make a github and make a copy of the first link u sent me?
and then just make my own copies to mess with from there
im not familiar with how github works
lofty warren
Link file with talent set in a format that'll be used in future and I can make script to spit out combinations
Get pull commit push
lusty grotto
im not familiar with how github works
git is a world of its own
but the gist is
create a github account then click this
then you gotta git init on your pc
lofty warren
Make a local branch and pull from master into it. Make changes and then commit. Make peer review to merge ur stuff to master
lusty grotto
but there's buttons in github that'll make it easier
keep in mind you cannot commit stuff directly
solid sun
Does pepega use github
coarse bay
what do u mean commit stuff directly
lofty warren
You cant just merge stuff to master without anyone looking at it or youre going to end up with garbage
lusty grotto
yeah the front lines is called the nightly branches, and later into master
lusty grotto
you dont need a github for it though
lofty warren
Link file with talent set in a format that'll be used in future and I can make script to spit out combinations free of charge.
lusty grotto
just send a revised APL to whoever is doing the approvals for mage
they'll convert it to C++
and push a change in
coarse bay
I knew there was a lot to the background but its more structured than i expected
like more steps to it
lusty grotto
i pushed a PR in for the cpp file because im very familiar with the whole process
of git, i mean (and python)
lofty warren
Im pumps account. Never gonna update wowhead so ppl hrt the wrong info and think pwar bad
lusty grotto
but if youre interested cam, git is pretty super standard in software dev, but might be overwhelming for what you want to do
frosty mango
Does pepega use github
Pepega is master
@solid sun I was at girlscouts and sadly did not see your message because I was busy hocking cookies to hungry boomers
lusty grotto
so i recommend just sticking with the simc file and doing your fixes, and then later on you can take on git, its not too complicated to learn, but it does take some time if you dont have background on it
frosty mango
For what it’s worth - if you don’t know git well you can use antigravity and have it make the git calls for you and have it explain it as it goes
#skynet
coarse bay
honestly i dont even know what these things mean lmao
solid sun
No worries roid, glad you were having some good dad fun
coarse bay
as in i wouldnt know what else to gitting there is past the default apl files or whatever
lofty warren
Merge master to your local or ur gonna get merge conflicts and ur gonna get sad
coarse bay
there's further steps past that i assume
lusty grotto
thats why you squash
frosty mango
Best way to learn git
lusty grotto
stupid mergers
frosty mango
I use git stash all the time and people think I’m a wizard
Second only to Linus himself
lusty grotto
i love stashes too
solid sun
pepega seems like he's saying real stuff rn
that's helpful
and idk how to feel about it
lusty grotto
but i will never accept merge andies
squash only okayh
well rebase, to be precise
lofty warren
Also name your commit comments actually reflect the changes instead changing a,b,x with comment/pr only stating a was changed
lusty grotto
frosty mango
My teams love to not merge at the end of the day to integration so I set up an auto-merge script that runs on their machines
At 5pm
lusty grotto
roid
frosty mango
I got tired of dealing with conflicts
lusty grotto
hows antigravity compared to whatever IDE with claude?
frosty mango
Unless it was good, in which case I did
lusty grotto
i havent actually used antigravity as of yet
lofty warren
Vs code s tier
frosty mango
hows antigravity compared to whatever IDE with claude?
Antigravity the IDE is great, but needing google account to use it sucks
It’s a vs code fork
lusty grotto
just like everything
frosty mango
I personally prefer Claude code terminal setup but I know most people don’t
lusty grotto
cursor, windsurf, etc
violet violet
is the eternal egg trinket from beloren any good?
lusty grotto
we stick to vscode as per our company
frosty mango
I’m using bedrock Claude opus 4.6 as the backend for my model so I never run out of tokens
Paid for by job
lusty grotto
yeah we use opus as well
lofty warren
I use IIS express for local unit testing my crappy .net stuff and use regular old visual studio for that
lusty grotto
is the eternal egg trinket from beloren any good?
its okay, mid-ish
frosty mango
If I didn’t have that I would probably just use vs code with like glm. I have a local set up on my server rack running some models locally that I interact with via llama.cpp
frosty mango
Been doing a lot of ai integration in secure clouds lately, I think SaaS based AI is going to hit a wall soon
lofty warren
Why you put models locally instead of just letting the Ai companies eat the storage and compute cost
frosty mango
Why you put models locally instead of just letting the Ai companies eat the stor...
Because it’s much cheaper to run a model locally with a custom router than to pay compute for every request
lusty grotto
my company is in too deep with anthropic to take suggestions so 🤷♂️
frosty mango
Only send to cloud if you need more compute
lofty warren
Ohh if ur getting charged per token and for cloud compute then yea it'll cost.
Storage size to setup a full model locally?
solid sun
7
coarse bay
thanks for your time nim o7 I have raid in like 4 hours so im gonna sleep but ive done a bit of reading and created a fork and ill be doing a ton more reading lol
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Storage size to setup a full model locally?
Not storage that’s the problem is cpu/gpu
I have the hardware to run it so not a problem for me
solid sun
Windrunner spire orc ghost boss
if you drag the whirlwind through the adds do they take damage from it
well, the bladestorm
coarse bay
No
solid sun
didn't think so
gray pecan
good job man
thanks
mostly getting through first time tanking anxiety and then once I got comfortable i could focus on efficiency
still need to do better I'm mashing all my cooldowns Avatar and DS off cooldown 🤣
lusty grotto
thats the only way to play
you send them
unless a damage amp is coming up
you just send
split narwhal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tj9NY8PHAJvGRmX2?fight=57&type=damage-taken&source=209
Can someone tell me why I'm not reflecting Bellamy's Judgement here at 0:58?
split narwhal
That's the ret paladin judgement that is bugged.
Bellamy Judgement is reflectable.
lusty grotto
is it in the log?
opal ledge
judgment is the one bugged probably
lusty grotto
Top damage log on this fight is reflecting Judgement from Bellamy.
point me in the right direction here
opal ledge
yeah i can't see the reflect too
lusty grotto
where is the judgment here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tj9NY8PHAJvGRmX2?fight=57&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=346
split narwhal
Ye, no apparently it is Sotr wtf was I looking at last week then
opal ledge
yeah i'm checking the logs and it's sotr
split narwhal
Ye, I'm just dumb, glad I posted tho ty. I looked at an early public log that was also timing reflect wrong
opal perch
Yo, is it normal practice for healers to not cast much when I’m tanking and gathering mobs in m+ ?
opal ledge
Yo, is it normal practice for healers to not cast much when I’m tanking and gath...
like... they will pull aggro if they heal?
sharp gale
they should be aware of risk of aggro and... follow you
opal perch
Context I’m new to tanning, Like before I have full agro on a pack and I’m collecting them to a certain spot. Kind of like how dps wait few seconds before blasting
Tanking *
lusty grotto
then no
if you need heals, you need heals
they shouldnt pull agro from a clapped mob
just make sure you hit everything
opal perch
What if I don’t and they’re pre casting heals to be “safe”
sharp gale
if he gets aggro he should move so you are between him and the mobs
opal perch
they shouldnt pull agro from a clapped mob
Gotcha
lusty grotto
pre casting heals is totally fine
lusty grotto
if he gets aggro he should move so you are between him and the mobs
heals shouldnt get agro, happy
they only get agro if we havent actually hit the mobs
easily fixed
opal ledge
avoid mount pulling xD
lusty grotto
which you shouldnt be because that's considered you as sitting
and you cannot block
sharp gale
in low keys it's fine
lusty grotto
if youre mount pulling, the healer has to be mounting as well
sharp gale
or arakara start
lusty grotto
and at the very least, a shocking disclosure on you
sharp gale
idk i've healed some keys usually tanks mount pull academy first pull for few packs
sharp gale
yes it is bad to do, but it happens, quite common i would say
lusty grotto
if its something they are doing, they should comunicate it beforehand
sharp gale
I have never considered mount pulling that
they usually are mounted -> cross the patrol -> mount pull the left pack and dismount to do the rest, i would say it's the most common academy pull i've seen in my rdruid keys
coarse bay
Interesting
lusty grotto
feels super unnecessary as warrior
sharp gale
in my push keys on my war, they NEVER mount pull, and they always wait the patrol
sharp gale
so if the tank waits the patrol or not, i know if it's gonna be a wild one or not
lusty grotto
severe sonnet
@lusty grotto is it worth dropping apex talents for battle scarred veteran if I’m running 10-12 keys?
severe sonnet
Icy veins build does not use battle scarred veteran is it not worth it?
But I see high key warrior using it a lot
severe sonnet
Okay cheers
lusty grotto
drowsy comet
opening vault now..pls just one set piece 
lusty grotto
best of luck
drowsy comet
Ayy not too bad
severe sonnet
Is shield and wep a solid craft?
lofty glen
jo guys. does our Log on 1st boss in voidstorm depends on tanking addphase or not?
lofty glen
Is shield and wep a solid craft?
sure
lusty grotto
Is shield and wep a solid craft?
yeah read pins
lusty grotto
Ayy not too bad
solid vault
drowsy comet
picked the hero track pants, easy
lusty grotto
jo guys. does our Log on 1st boss in voidstorm depends on tanking addphase or no...
yeah adds count
so be 2nd tank
drowsy comet
now looking at my druids vault
lusty grotto
they could be removed in the future but they count right now
drowsy comet
what is this shit
lofty glen
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Y6aaPxo2HLtF4XtFrsvsA
wanted to craft back next week
can you guys help me
lusty grotto
its only 614 dps under the cloak pick
as it is
since youre crafting you'll recoup that easily
lofty glen
okay thx. and out of my sim.... what trinkeds you would pick? running the fether and heat of wind all the time
lusty grotto
gaze and heart are fine
lofty glen
thx @lusty grotto
tawdry dirge
Morning are sims kinda fucked for us?
lofty glen
not plume?
lusty grotto
if your crit was lower, plume would have simmed higher
lofty glen
considering you already have a 4pc
i have 3 in bag XD
tawdry dirge
Simmed my vault and tells m i have the best gear on even tho there is 10-20 ilvl upgrades in it
lusty grotto
you do have to sim radiant plume though
lofty glen
if your crit was lower, plume would have simmed higher
so i could craft haste versa and plume would be better?
drowsy comet
hmm then Id still pick the weapon. Just get lucky in raid drop
lusty grotto
you only simmed umbral
lofty glen
you only simmed umbral
aaaaaaaah okay
lusty grotto
so i could craft haste versa and plume would be better?
dunno, you would have to sim it
lofty glen
kk
lofty glen
hmm then Id still pick the weapon. Just get lucky in raid drop
i got legit 1 thing out of raid and it was myth shield. and vet gaze. plume was from delve quest XD
hope today i pug 3 myth bosses hehe
drowsy comet
with pugs? lol
my pugs are braindead and dont know any mechanic
But pugging a myth? Definetly spicy
lofty glen
with pugs? lol
1st boss were 11 trys and the tank didnt raided as tank XD
i cant get into myth raiding cause "you never killed a single myth boss sorry cant take you"
drowsy comet
i cant get into myth raiding cause "you never killed a single myth boss sorry ca...
Yea these kinda ppl are dicks, they think are good, but they are not good enough so they show their lil ego
astral stump
Prism sims the highest, and we are doing mythic raid eventually. So prism is the better than weapon here?
drowsy comet
open your own raid group and do a learning myth or somethin
lusty grotto
aight im 
before the EU vault train comes around
lofty glen
Yea these kinda ppl are dicks, they think are good, but they are not good enough...
well.... average 91 logs are not enoghe to get into myth XD
lusty grotto
Prism sims the highest, and we are doing mythic raid eventually. So prism is the...
eventually is not "now"
get weapon
lofty glen
sleep well lil hamter
lofty glen
for me it looks like a hamter 🙁
drowsy comet
either way hes old
past magnet
How good are Eye of Midnight as champion compared to a mytic chest when I got myt ring an HC ring ?
rocky fossil
really not sure what to get from this, any thoughts? I wanted to get crafted cloack so not sure if it's worth the cape, not crazy about mastery ring or the trinkets either
drowsy comet
honestly no idea what to pick either
umbral flax
good morning! i am looking for some information about the dungeon ring set and how strong this boni is especially for prot but also fury ? https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1971/voidlight-bindings could you tell me something about that ?
cerulean spear
Morning for you folks, I've ended up with only 2% vers on my gear without quite realising it. Will that get me absolutely folded? Or is not that huge a deal?
drowsy comet
good morning! i am looking for some information about the dungeon ring set and h...
It is very good, because the rings give big haste and generally good stats. The set bonus is kinda like whatever. But you definetly dont wanna miss these out
pale sequoia
what is most valuable to upgrade with hero crets? armor items before jewelry (ring/neck) right?
autumn blade
hi guys, how is Occlusion of Void / Omission of light for prot warrior ? can have hero/myth combo with the vault. This or myth haste/crit back
raw parcel
I just want to take a moment to bitch about personal food being objectively inferior to feasts this expansion.
If you want that 98 stamina you HAVE to bring a fucking feast. It's absolute garbage and I hate it. >_>
drowsy comet
hi guys, how is Occlusion of Void / Omission of light for prot warrior ? can hav...
ring id say, you can craft back or be lucky and get the dragon cape
umbral flax
It is very good, because the rings give big haste and generally good stats. The ...
thx for your help 🙂
honest jacinth
Hi team! New prot, as we want Haste Ring set, do I skip my only Myth item in vault (also Ring crit/vers) and send Hero tier pants instead?
grim zinc
Opened the vault in prot spec by accident. Got a mythic shield. Only thing that was good. Guess I'm a prot main now?
humble mason
Not sure what to pick here. I have hero 3/6 heart of wind already, champion in the other 2 slots
ionic fern
Hi team! New prot, as we want Haste Ring set, do I skip my only Myth item in vau...
Do you have tier legs already? What track legs? What stats are on that ring?
ionic fern
Opened the vault in prot spec by accident. Got a mythic shield. Only thing that ...
Welcome to the good life.
honest jacinth
Do you have tier legs already? What track legs? What stats are on that ring?
Nope, 1-set (Hero Chest). Pants are Hero, Ring is Crit/Vers with its own 2-set
unique axle
Do most prot warriors open vault as arms for a chance to get 2H weapon or is there another reason?
ionic fern
Not sure what to pick here. I have hero 3/6 heart of wind already, champion in t...
Chest for the extra stats,can always convert it to tier as well.
ionic fern
Do most prot warriors open vault as arms for a chance to get 2H weapon or is the...
For DPS trinkets if you already have a shield.
ionic fern
It's stressful!
No,it's super chill. The secret is just ignoring chat.
grim zinc
Just have to be really ontop of your route and stuff.
As dps I just have to smash my face on the keyboard.
naive ravine
Most dungeons are press W able
ionic fern
Nope, 1-set (Hero Chest). Pants are Hero, Ring is Crit/Vers with its own 2-set
What hands you got?
honest jacinth
What hands you got?
Same as Vault but Champion, 246 Crit/Haste
(Thank you btw! Still learning ropes)=
naive ravine
I have 1k haste, still worth it to get the last 188 for itf?
ionic fern
Grab hands then if you got hero track legs.
honest jacinth
Gotcha thank you!
rotund parcel
Thoughts on Rotting Globule, I will highly likely take myth tier but I thought I'd ask. gaze and heart are serving me quite well I think.
drowsy comet
Forgot this event is up now, gotta blast dungeons :o
thorny osprey
Hey fellas, should i get a 285 shield or 1h first? Only got 263 champ for other slot rn
ionic fern
Thoughts on Rotting Globule, I will highly likely take myth tier but I thought I...
One of the few decent defensive trinkets currently.
ionic fern
Hey fellas, should i get a 285 shield or 1h first? Only got 263 champ for other ...
You won't go wrong with either. I'd take the weapon cause I'm way too focused on DPS,but taking the shield is a solid option for majority of people.
drowsy comet
How long will it last
1 week
toxic spade
Hey Guys, im struggle with my Vault 🙂 Three Trinkets, and the Dragon Games, in Sim it makes single Target the most dmg, but work it on every boss? In the past it didnt.
naive ravine
One of the few decent defensive trinkets currently.
What do you think about the triumvat trinket that deals dmg on use and heals you?
Is it worth to give it a try
lofty warren
On icy veins - there isn't a single trinket from m+ that is above B tier that is not puzzle box?
Also how can hook be in b and c tier at the same time? Trinket superposition?
toxic spade
On icy veins - there isn't a single trinket from m+ that is above B tier that is...
I sim the trinket or look at https://liquidarmory.com/trinket-tracker?wowClass=Warrior&wowSpec=Protection were are the Trinkets simmed.
ionic nimbus
On icy veins - there isn't a single trinket from m+ that is above B tier that is...
Seperate Ranking for m+ and Raid
rotund parcel
What do you think about the triumvat trinket that deals dmg on use and heals you...
I used this trinket a fair bit in legion for specific dungeons and sometimes it was pretty cracked. I wouldnt take a vault version over the other two though thats for sure.
toxic spade
On Liquidarmory you can switch between raid and m+ and between 1 / 3 / 5 targets.
glacial ridge
everyone mentioning liquid armory. Is this thiong new or... first time i heard about it today, have guildies linking it etc.
tardy abyss
everyone mentioning liquid armory. Is this thiong new or... first time i heard a...
People will trust anything but official icy-veins or wowhead guides, it is what it is
toxic spade
Late S2, begin S3 in TWW
tardy abyss
Bloodmallet shouldnt be alive at this point
jagged pier
u do know that liquid thing is doing literally what bloodmallet does
the exact same thing
so if bloodmallet shouldnt be alive nither should that liquid thing
naive ravine
People will trust anything but official icy-veins or wowhead guides, it is what ...
In the current season most of the wowhead and icyveins stuff suck
Its not nearly as good as back in the day
frank surge
chest since i already crafted wep right? 0 tier pieces and only do m+
vital vale
look at that 2005 god mog
naive ravine
https://klipy.com/gifs/how-it-feels-when-you-meme
pastel geyser
prob chest yea
jagged pier
looks like its played on a 2005 pc too
toxic spade
u do know that liquid thing is doing literally what bloodmallet does
Yes, thats right 🙂
toxic spade
Hey Guys, im struggle with my Vault 🙂 Three Trinkets, and the Dragon Games, in ...
Anyone an idea for my trinket choice? 🙂
pastel geyser
fr sure not the last one
pustule seems like the better choice, ampule isnt even listen on icyveins and on wowhead its in c tier
slime is b tier on both sites
toxic spade
I hate it, if there are perma trinkets.. 😄 other items you can sim very well, but here is on sim dragon games absolutely biggest bis upgrade on single target.
edgy patrol
is this really bad? not seeing it listed on any trink lists
pastel geyser
yea it sims good on st, but its ass to use
pastel geyser
is this really bad? not seeing it listed on any trink lists
its A tier on both sites, not listed as dps prb cuz it doesnt do dps
well actually its not listed at all on icyveins
lofty warren
Just like puzzle box. It is ass to use
pastel geyser
but theres like barely any def trinkets there
edgy patrol
Yeah I'm using icy. Why is it ass to use if it procs naturally?
pastel geyser
not the egg
the algethar football thing
this game is taking the piss... after i crafted shield and neck last week brother
drowsy comet
man pugs are something else lmao...joined a +8 magisters, and one of the DPS quit after he died once, key was over lol
pastel geyser
ig ill take the haste/versa belt, not gonna take items over crafted ones
oak ivy
Do you think Egg > Solarflare?
egg will likely never get to proc its +stat line, so it's just a meh passive defensive trinket. solarflare prism >
abstract skiff
Guys what is the fun factor of prot war rn?
drowsy comet
being chonky
abstract skiff
Cool thanks
dusty terrace
[Rotting Globule] myth track or [Gaze of the Alnseer] Heroic track?
oak ivy
how likely is it you kill mythic chimaerus
pale sequoia
what is best upgrade with hero crets for prot war? rings/neck last, armor first?
lyric glen
What would you guys take here? Myth hands, shoulders or myth solarflare?
past magnet
How good is Eye of Midnight on champion compared to HC other rings ?
edgy patrol
only myth belt socket to go 
feels amazing
cerulean tusk
How good is Eye of Midnight on champion compared to HC other rings ?
Noone will know, as that was a very specific question. You can get an ish answer if you go raidbots, sim all the rings on HC and eye on Champ track
To do this, simply search up and add each item you want to check in topgear
past magnet
ye but does it simm any for prot ? simm is only for dmg or ?
cerulean tusk
Sims work for prot, and only for dam
Generally speaking all stats are equally tanky, so dont worry too much about that
Only exception is you got a plan to stat max (either for meme fun, or to solve a problem)
past magnet
ye so the solution the is to go for Ilvl kinda then
drowsy comet
do we follow the icyveins builds or wowhead?
okay i just checked, i think icyvein´s is alot better than wowheads, no wonder i was having this kind of trouble sometimes
(moment of realization) I somehow forgot I still had the raid build on, and went into M+ with it lmao, whoopsie
naive ravine
(moment of realization) I somehow forgot I still had the raid build on, and went...
Just add a weakaura reminder 
naive ravine
Necrolords prot warr 👴
quiet matrix
Do you guys insta max out Myth items or waiting for "big" items? I have shoulders and boots but Im saving my tokens for the big pieces.
Not sure if its a mistake or not
jagged pier
u want to fully upgrade a hero piece in that slot first but then theres no reason not to really
stone tundra
If you dont raid mythic, you can use the crests rather freely, else i would do the hero piece max and then myth thing
unique axle
got 276 shield but 263 bracers, should i use the sparks on bracers this week?