protection

[round pendant]

Then filter for shield block and look at unblocked melee hits

Those should all be backshots

[outer willow]

Ok so then what I was doing is correct.

Son

So 98 hits, like @warm plinth said.

Is correct.

[round pendant]

[onyx hearth]

Bro wants to see how many hits he is taking from behind

[outer willow]

Don’t be jealous.

It’s ugly

[clever shale]

For Averzian, some of the later adds we are running into an issue where my stacks are falling off RIGHT when the add is spawning and causing the other tank to get the add. Can the 2nd tank taunt after the second circle spawns so that I can get a couple more stacks before hand?

I swear no matter who has the boss the circles always go on tank 1 and tank 2

[heavy patrol]

it is in fact like that

soak 1 goes on the current tank, 2nd soak goes on the other tank even if they arent the current target

tank 2 can wait until adds spawn to taunt the boss

[karmic sleet]

thanks

[clever shale]

ok sweet thanks man

[lusty grotto]

is this mythic?

if not just swap at 10

its the exact timing that way

[full maple]

Hey quick question is mountain thane still the best spec for m+ once the update drops

[clever shale]

ya mythic

[lusty grotto]

you mean the next patch?

[full maple]

yea

[lusty grotto]

hard to say as of yet

the patch is still a bit away

[clever shale]

we were trying to set it up so I always had adds and he always had boss to keep it consistant with the guide we were using

[full maple]

I didnt feel liek we neeeded any sort of nerf fr

[lusty grotto]

yeah it feels like an odd call on their part

but

colossus is getting buffed so we have options

[round pendant]

Colossus is more fun anyway so

Actually hated swapping back to MT in s3

[full maple]

I havent played colossus

[ionic fern]

It's a totally different playstyle. I don't personally enjoy it,but a lot of people do.

[vocal wagon]

as I climb the ranks and gear up, should I just call it and reroll a Monk..... jebus....

[mild river]

If you wanna push with pugs, yes. If you have a team, prot is more than fine I'd say

[tacit smelt]

Anyone know the exact % that the spellwoven familar (the arcane elemental) in magisters give since they updated this to give count, my MDT isnt up to date on it

[haughty copper]

Is there any way to know what spell can i reflect?

[tacit smelt]

@haughty copper ya

[ionic fern]

Never. Be a true warrior.

[tacit smelt]

check the pin, its the first one

[haughty copper]

Thanks thanks :3

[round cliff]

is there a way to tell whos casting at who anymore

like how can i tell who krick is death bolting

[errant oriole]

so how are prot warriors for m+ atm?

[round cliff]

not brewmaster

m+ rn is either ur brewmaster or ur not

[ionic fern]

Enjoyable. 😄

[ionic fern]

Whoever the mob is targeting.

[errant oriole]

is colossus just bad cause of survivability or damage or both?

[glad drum]

any update on the unfriendly bug?

just got it and i seem bricked

[ionic fern]

Currently it's lacking in the damage department,but this seems to be changing once the buffs go live in 12.0.5.

[errant oriole]

what buffs is prot war getting?

[serene wave]

Dark Iron or normal Dwarf? I know both have self clense but DI gets xtra primary and normal dwarf has xtra crit

[solar shadow]

Dark iron is awkward becuase your on use racial stat bonus is tied to purging your debuff, which means basically you never get to optimally use it as both a debuff cleanser AND a DPS cooldown

Fireblood - Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 252 and an additional 84 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec.

It does however have

Forged in Flames - Reduces damage taken from Physical attacks by 1%.
Which in the case of Prot is pretty solid

[jagged pier]

yes its in the default ui

[ionic fern]

Colossus is getting a buff. MT is getting a significant nerf. You can check the #updates-midnight channel.

[tribal wharf]

I'm not blaming the paladin for having aggro, I'm blaming them for not hitting immunity which would sens the.onsters my way

And I'm blaming blizzard for allowing a situation that my defensive stance just randomly mid combat falls off and healer says glthey can't target me

I literal can't predict that and sure as fucj can't do anything about it

The healer had aggro, cuz you didn't hit your buttons, so you bad

No shit, story of ever since bfa

As if I couldn't figure that out

You see that's what I fully intended for and did not hit are taunt or clap or revenge, nope

I wanted him to get aggro and die, do it's my fault

That's how keystones work right?

[maiden quiver]

Bro wtf are you even talking about? You sound like a literal child.

[tribal wharf]

lets be objective about it, ok, if a bug happens

and 3 of my brakes fall off on car

and its regularly maintained

its my fault right

[maiden quiver]

So let me see if I've got this correct. You're saying not 1 but 2 completely seperate bugs happened at the same time (your defensive stance randomly falling off and the healer being unable to target you for whatever reason),and these two bugs, neither of which have anything to do with your threat, made you unable to hold threat over the healer who wasn't healing you and generating almost no threat?

[tribal wharf]

i think people were suggesting it happens with a holy paladin, i cant remember for sure, maybe about them getting aggro? i have no idea im not a developer wizard

im a warrior, i swing axes at skeletons n shit

but, ya, the aggro was just a shit happens situation

[maiden quiver]

Idk, I've done multiple keys with every healer, even a heroic throw (the regular one) is more than enough to keep aggro over any healer

[tribal wharf]

perhaps anxiety from trying to learn go right route

as opposed to go left

[maiden quiver]

Healers generate basically no threat, they only get aggro if you literally don't even tag a mob

[tribal wharf]

but yea, totally my intentions to let healer get aggro

i mean, what else can i say

thats how we win keystones right

[maiden quiver]

Maybe if you focused on actually improving instead of being a miserable sarcastic dick about everything you wouldn't have these problems?

[tribal wharf]

i'll focus on improving more when they do the same

and that bug that shatters the core of keystones cant happen

timer, sure, 4 other team mates sure, cant pause the timer, sure

all of that and then the game fundamentally breaks down

nope

ya, i didnt clap , because i was more concerned with trying to learn to go right instead of left

because "nobody goes left"

because, there is a buff, which is 3% leech and avoidance, i was told something about there is a damage buff? i dunno, i never saw it

which seems tiny and pointless to me, now that i've gone to that hut

[drowsy comet]

its joever

[tribal wharf]

i'll try to eek whatever i can out of thane being buffed for as long as it is lol

and i think to hell with this stew buff

hexw dudes, kick em!

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/we-suck-again-oh-no-the-waterboy-rob-schneider-the-mud-dogs-gif-24522403

[tardy prawn]

how did even defensive stance fall off mid fight... is there probability of this like mechanic or we're always in defensive stance until we disable manually?

[jagged pier]

its a bug in the game

[tardy prawn]

sooo... how do I notice it if it happens

[fringe mural]

You could show the buff in a prominent location

If it wears off, it happened

[tardy prawn]

oh makes sense thank you

[fringe mural]

if it's still a buff though, it has been for ages

[pastel geyser]

atleast u guys arent like me, ive been playing in battle stance for like 10 days now

only last night i fkin realised why i was taking so much damage

[tardy prawn]

damn

[tropic pond]

just a quick question, does the manaflux keep regenerating even tho you already spend like 5 for example, can its keep generating back? or it cap this week at 8?

[fringe mural]

Today should be the third

if you dont have t4 yet

or are you talking about sparks?

[tropic pond]

no i mean the catalyst

[fringe mural]

yeah catalysts are right now at 2

and the third is coming this reset i think

Or next?

because i got one tier set out of the vault, transformed one and have one left

and they start dropping once you have the t4 full i was told

[opal ledge]

the alleria neck combos really well with the plate gloves that deals shadow damage
(sadly i got a myth necklace so my alleria neck -champion- is shit)

how good is 5% avoidance for tank?

i got this set but idk if it's worth it

[pure skiff]

Hello guys! I’m a new warrior tank player, I’ve never played this role before.
I’m still discovering the spec, and I was wondering if Wrecking Throw is really important.
It feels like it’s just a talent that adds a bit of single-target damage. I’m thinking that movement speed talents or the one that makes Revenge refund rage might be more useful for a beginner, what do you think ?

[opal ledge]

it is, its an amazingggggg skill
not because of the shield damage, thats a bonus (quite useful tho)
but because of javeliner talent, that adds silence/interrupt to it

[jagged pier]

Tanks dont and have never cared about avoidance

[opal ledge]

on every pack there will be an annoying caster far away, u throw the weapon silence it and it will walk toward you.
it's not the dk grip, but it's quite good

even if there is nothing far away, its an extra interrupt, and interrupts are super important for m+

[pure skiff]

Oh you're right ! thanks a lot

[opal ledge]

really close to the hast soft cap (for "into the frey)

[knotty path]

hi guys, I have a hard concern right now. I have one of our two bis trinkets (Chimaerus + Vorasius) but I have seen lots of people using Heart of Wind, so I'm not sure if I need to change one of mine (I guess Vorasius more than Gaze). Appreciate your help

[opal ledge]

i think most people are using heart of wind because raid trinkets are hard to get

[opal ledge]

what addon makes the character sheet like that?

[knotty path]

I feel the same, to be honest, but I'm not sure checking my haste

[opal ledge]

you can't count on proc to keep ur haste up for shield block...
but heart of wind is a nice trinket.
you can sim it, it's more about damage

[knotty path]

Yes, I'll do so, thanks mate!!

[keen bobcat]

Hi, why do some tanks take one talent and others take the other talent? Does it depend on our haste stats?

[solid sun]

If you’re below 1188 haste you take HR

If you’re at or above 1188 you can take ITF

[vivid rapids]

I'm switching from Fury to Prot, since Tanks are always needed and Fury seems to be low on the DPS this season.

Anyone got a good guide for Proc warrior, I am struggling with understanding the rotation (When to be using ignore pain instead of revenge) and things like that, Also dont know when I have "enough" ignore pain stacked up

[solid sun]

We recommend Icy Veins for prot warrior

We don’t track IP

[opal ledge]

generally... you hit ignore pain when your rage is above 70

[solid sun]

If you’re at or above 70 rage you hit IP

[opal ledge]

we do track ip because bars are fun

[solid sun]

Nah we don’t track IP

[opal ledge]

and you can see the bar go pew pew pew

[vivid rapids]

How do you guys keep track of IP?

[solid sun]

We don’t

[opal ledge]

arc ui

[solid sun]

It doesn’t factor into our decision making at all

We don’t care what value it’s at and we don’t stress about the uptime on it. It’s a rage dump

[vivid rapids]

Revenge uses Rage aswell? so Should I not be spending rage at all and waiting for it to be at 70 then IG? or whats the usual logic

[opal ledge]

that blue bar under my rage... quite small

you can use revenge and still hit 70 rage for ignore pain

[solid sun]

You can use revenge when your other abilities are on CD to fish for resets

[opal ledge]

you don't have a lot of window to use revenge, you are usually using shield slam and thunder clap

[vivid rapids]

But I could easily dump all my rage on IP? or just use Revenge when Thunderclap and Shield slam or on CD?

[vivid rapids]

O I get you

[solid sun]

The IV guide is great

[vivid rapids]

and do we care about execute at all?

[solid sun]

And it shows the priority order of abilities

[opal ledge]

you can replace revenge for execute in single target i guess

[solid sun]

You can use execute in single target as thane

But it isn’t prio over tb, ss, or tc

[vivid rapids]

So even on single target I should use thunder clap / thunderblast over Execute?

[opal ledge]

yes

[vivid rapids]

Thanks!

[solid sun]

And you don’t need to track IP

[opal ledge]

WAIT... we don't need a mount to transmog anymore?!

my life is a lie

how much do we care about diminishing returns?

[fringe mural]

@solid sun is the sim export addon simcompare?

[opal ledge]

i use simulationcraft addon and raidbots

[fringe mural]

ah yeah simcraft right ty

now the memory is coming back

[solid sun]

You now can become embiggened

[warm plinth]

You've never needed a mount to transmog. There are NPCs in every city.

[solid sun]

Yeah get ‘im

Boom blam

[distant thicket]

is wrecking throw not doing anything to the affix? seems it does fuck all

[fringe mural]

works like a charm ty

[pastel geyser]

i always chunk it when i throw it idk

[fringe mural]

interesting that furious saptor paw 250 only sims 300 dps lower than glorious crusader keepsake at 259

but haste with str proc cant be bad really so no wonder

[fringe mural]

did you test it?

i have the neck but not the gloves

and since the gloves are the worst of the tier set items it would make sense to use them if it works

[opal ledge]

i made a small tes on single target for a few minutes (both my itens are champions)
they made 0.6% of my overall each.
that's 1.2% bonus dmg, quite nice

the thing is... both give a lot of haste

i will probably only use gloves since i got this

[pastel geyser]

i crafted a neck

im not expecting to get alleria neck anytime soon considering i havent even killed her on hc nor bothered with trying

neck was the best simming thing for me

considering i have both shield+wep crafted, wondering if its worth opening vault as fury, so atleast wep drop isnt wasted lol

[solid sun]

It wouldn’t be wasted though

[pastel geyser]

eh.. sure but only for a +4 ilvl upgrade

and dropping embelish

over getting a +13 ilvl in another armor slot

or a trinket

[opal ledge]

if u are doing this maybe open as arms?

[solid sun]

Yeah but you want a myth track shield and weapon

[opal ledge]

i don't... myth shields have no haste

284 289 is not a big difference

[solid sun]

You def still want myth shield

Ilvl > all for shields

[opal ledge]

does having a crafted shield will save me crests?

idk i'm just a haste addict right now

[solid sun]

I believe you do get to save crests on upgrading myth track weapon and shield if you’ve crafted them

And all stats are good for pwar

[tardy prawn]

is rank 3 phalanx useless or like not preferred?

[solid sun]

But shield has block value which goes up with ilvl

[coarse bay]

all apex points are preferred and good

[tardy prawn]

people use battle scarred veteran and indomitable instead of that...

[solid sun]

That’s not a guide it’s just a useless aggregate site

[tardy prawn]

weird but murlok io says 19 our of 50 uses phalanx max

[coarse bay]

murlok isnt useful

[tardy prawn]

hmm interesting

[solid sun]

We recommend 4/4 apex and if you want BSV you can take that but still have 4/4

[coarse bay]

those players arent most of the playerbase, and a lot of them are stuck in beta

there are flex points, apex arent them

[tardy prawn]

I see I see, and is there advice which one to take and max phalanx rank

[coarse bay]

for what?

the build on icyveins is recommended

[tardy prawn]

for m+, I get too much damage from mobs sometimes

[tardy prawn]

okay I'll check tyvm

[lusty grotto]

for BSV just swap Enduring Alacrity

in the icy veins build

[tardy prawn]

okay thank you, is indomitable or bsv better

at least for low keys

[opal ledge]

if i'm playing into the fray, doest enduring alacrity becomes more important than focused vigor?

[lusty grotto]

why are you playing into the fray?

do you have 1188 haste rating?

[opal ledge]

i do

[solid sun]

If you’re doing low keys I reckon talents aren’t causing you to take too much damage from mobs

[lusty grotto]

focused vigor is more important, regardless of pick

[opal ledge]

wait its 1088? i tough it was 1188

[tardy prawn]

so thats my skill issue :c

[lusty grotto]

1188 yes sorry its morning

[solid sun]

I kinda feel like BB is better to drop than EA yeah?

[opal ledge]

i'm at 1177 haste with no flask or food

[lusty grotto]

so dont play ITF

youre not there

but thats beside the question, you still pick FV

[opal ledge]

1188 takes what into account? food? flask? Enduring Alacrity?

[lusty grotto]

nothing

gear

thats it

[opal ledge]

so with flask i can use ITF

[solid sun]

No

[lusty grotto]

you dont

unbuffed

you need 1188 unbuffed

[opal ledge]

so what buffs do i need when having 1188

[lusty grotto]

its the third time ive said it

un

buffed

unbuffed

1188 unbuffed

[tardy prawn]

I'm sorry I dont understand because I'm very new to spec, why do we need 1188 to pick that talent, why not below or for beginner

[lusty grotto]

dont bother

just play heavy repercussions

[opal ledge]

because if you don't have 1188 haste, you will not have 100% shieldblock uptime

[tardy prawn]

ahh I see thank you

[opal ledge]

i don't follow that logic.

if i need 1188 unbuffed... then i can play it with buffs.
if buffs matter, then i need to play 1188 and the buffs

the flask haste will affect that uptime

[round pendant]

Yknow I was typing something about how you don't need 100% uptime if you just use your noggin a bit when playing

But, no, you guys should get 1188

[lusty grotto]

if you dont have gaps, you fit into the "managing correctly" part of the wall of text

so you can just use the flask, and treat the 1188 number as flexible

[solid sun]

[lusty grotto]

not that you will use anything else

does that make sense to you @opal ledge ?

[opal ledge]

"managing correctly" part of the wall of text "
where can i read it again? there was a guide somwhere but the pinned button is not showing it to me

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

why does it matter though

it boils down to you being smart with SB usage

thats it

no gaps? you keep going with ITF

gaps? go HR

thats it

[opal ledge]

i just like to read things... understaing the math behind 1188 is interesting for me

[lusty grotto]

this is a big tangent though you asked if EA or FV (due to ITF) was more important, FV Is more important ALWAYS

[lusty grotto]

ITF is percentage based which means it does not have diminishing returns. That means its ONLY good for SB uptime if you already have an adequate amount of haste rating. If you have very little what happens is your SB uptime will suffer and you will have huge gaps.

And SB gaps equal death for us

Read this for more info #protection message

[lofty warren]

Any hope that blizz will undo their mt changes for 12.0.5?

[lusty grotto]

HR on the other hand does not care about haste

[lofty warren]

Any hope that blizz will undo their mt changes on 12.5?

[dusky canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/waving-lizard-hoppers-LPFNd1AJBoYcVUExmE

[drowsy comet]

I did the unimaginable...I paid for a UI

[tardy prawn]

I see thank you I'll check

[dusky canopy]

Nice, which one?

[severe sonnet]

When simming for tank should you go for damage?

[drowsy comet]

Kira´s

[lusty grotto]

its the only way to sim

raidbots does not sim for anything else but damage

[severe sonnet]

Oh okay easy then. Thank you man

And another question, is the guide on maxroll solid? Concerning your rotation

[lusty grotto]

no idea, stick to the icy veins guide

its likely it might be, but i dont think anyone here has gone over it

[severe sonnet]

Thanks. First time tanking heh

[lusty grotto]

make sure you talent Heavy Rep then

instead of Into The Fray

[dusky canopy]

I sim for shield block uptime

[lusty grotto]

sim for dn

[lofty warren]

Watch out though the icy veins rotation says ss > tb in st for mt talents but it is really tb > ss

[severe sonnet]

Is there any guide or cheat sheet for the specific dungeons in rotation?

[lusty grotto]

no, dont watch out, that shit is irrelevant

[severe sonnet]

Appreciate it

[lusty grotto]

disregard that message

[severe sonnet]

Fair enough 😄

[lofty warren]

Disregard 🙁

[lusty grotto]

a month in and pepega is still going on with that garbage

[severe sonnet]

Why though? Does it not affect our dps that much?

[lusty grotto]

no

youre gonna use one or the other, it does not matter

[lofty warren]

I think hes saying it doesnt make a big dps diff but the smart ppl even did say tb > ss

[lusty grotto]

yes me, i said tb > ss

its the same prio

[severe sonnet]

But most important is shield block uptime right? And dump rage into ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

correct

[severe sonnet]

Been dps braining since tbc… but such a big tank shortage now I thought I would give it a shot

[solid sun]

Pepega, at the risk of just falling for one of your numerous traps

[tribal wharf]

note there is a bug that can occur that healer can be unable to heal you for reasons we dont really know why

[solid sun]

IV prio list for single target was edited

[tribal wharf]

and it drops you defensive stance

[lusty grotto]

yes yogi, we're well aware

[tribal wharf]

mid combat

[solid sun]

It now reflects TB over SS

[lusty grotto]

yes yogi, we're well aware

[tribal wharf]

im just saying so new guy is aware

[lusty grotto]

i see

[tribal wharf]

it affects all tanks

[lofty warren]

Well you may use one or the other but there are times when both are available and since both use gcd knowing which one is higher prio is not irrelevant imo. Unless the sims result in basically the same number

[solid sun]

So there’s no reason for you to continue to bring this up

[tribal wharf]

widely reported, but i had it happen to me

[lofty warren]

Oh nice

[lusty grotto]

good shit Rhino

[lofty warren]

I didnt recheck it i had just assumed it fell on death ears

[severe sonnet]

Do you ever double tb after avatar?

[lofty warren]

🎉

[lusty grotto]

You cant

Unless you're in a lust window and still you'll clip a gcd

We don't have the fury rampage haste buff

[severe sonnet]

Are we paper in higher keys when sb is not up btw

Okay I see

[solid sun]

@lusty grotto when are you hitting some dungeons again? I’d love to fury for you next time you’re getting some weeklies in so I can see how you’re routing over my press W method

[lusty grotto]

We're paper in any key when SB is not up

[tribal wharf]

but ya, i want to get better, and i cant if that bug is going to re-occur, when i do something on tuesday again i'll watch see if it happens again.

[lusty grotto]

High low it doesn't matter

[tribal wharf]

thats a hard barrier

[severe sonnet]

So even dropping it for a second or so is really bad?

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[lofty warren]

With 2x shield walls you can bridge the gap where sb is down

[severe sonnet]

Gonna spec into heavy repurcussions instead then and see how much it helps since my haste is fairly low

Ah good point

[coarse bay]

Dont listen to pepega

His advice isn’t endorsed

[lusty grotto]

Dunno today, I'll let you know

Do not bridge gaps with wall

[coarse bay]

Shieldwall isnt a tool to cover sb downtime, sb shouldnt have downtime

[tribal wharf]

100% nope for me on dungeons lol

for today

[solid sun]

We’re going for full effective coverage of SB

[severe sonnet]

But it’s fine double clicking your sb? Or is there any downside to that

[tribal wharf]

tomorrow sure

[lofty warren]

If shield block is not up you never used shield wall...? Usually of you need it (aka youre taking high damage) but done just bridge for the sake of it)

[coarse bay]

Shieldwall is a defensive for reducing heavy damage

There is no bridging, you shouldnt have gaps to bridge

[lofty warren]

Right.. and when are you taking heavy damage? When sb not up perhaps?

[coarse bay]

Youre proposing a solution for a problem you shouldnt have

Which makes it sound ok to have the problem

[lofty warren]

We have 100% sb uptime? I actually dont even know I tend to always use sb and shield wall when needed usually for big pulls and less around whatever is happening with sb

[coarse bay]

Shield wall usage and sb uptime are 2 different things

[solid sun]

So anyways

My friends and I got farmed by caverns last boss for like 10 minutes last night

[coarse bay]

Sure, if you lose sb somehow and have wall, use it i guess, but that isnt the purpose of shield wall

[coarse bay]

How

[tribal wharf]

caverns shines if your group sucks

[solid sun]

People kept dying

[coarse bay]

Like what mechanic

I havent been to caverns in a minute

[solid sun]

Sometimes people would die to the green circles you can avoid

[sharp gale]

They can go farther from the boss if they need more time to dodge his jump

[solid sun]

Sometimes people wouldn’t kill totems

Sometimes people would run into ghost citizens

Sometimes people would get leapt on by other people’s totem slams

[tribal wharf]

you to wall for debuff, (its a green dk hands icon), and them behind boss loosely in a large triangle

[severe sonnet]

Is there any usuful big brain macros apart from the ones on icy veins?

[tribal wharf]

so only 2 of them get hit each time and all 3 are in range for attacks

[solid sun]

And

The real nail in the coffin

[tribal wharf]

and a kick when it comes in

for some bs that i dont know what it is

but it kills them

[coarse bay]

Nope

[solid sun]

Was my Aug friend choosing the dirty marks hunter over me for buffs

The betrayal

[coarse bay]

I think aug should cover both no?

[solid sun]

Idk how that nerd dragon stuff works

[tribal wharf]

the problem is

[solid sun]

She just made a point to inform me

[coarse bay]

Neither do i lol

[tribal wharf]

you all need to play more retro nes games

[solid sun]

She chose marks over me

[tribal wharf]

that arent like mario and kirby

games that are actuallty harrd to beat

[solid sun]

I’ll have you know

I’ve beaten every Mario and every Zelda

[coarse bay]

Some bosses end up like that, and tilting makes it worse

[tribal wharf]

some crap that you get hit once, you die

and you start over the levle IF you have lifes left, with no weapons

[solid sun]

Going from tanking to dpsing has been so weird

Stuff can kill you

[lofty warren]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237307732705415228

Can look in here

[solid sun]

It’s wild

[coarse bay]

Lmao ya

When i spend most my time tanking

I die to things i didnt know were real

[solid sun]

Yes dude

It’s so funny

“Oh wow I didn’t even know that existed”

[coarse bay]

Defensives for aoes i didnt know hurt

[solid sun]

In terrace

You know the robot boss

He does like a little refrigeration cycle or whatever it’s called and balls of nerd energy float to it

And you intercept them

[daring marlin]

LMFAO

[coarse bay]

Ya they hurt dps

Youre reminding me that i havent done more than like 2 dungeons in last week+

[daring marlin]

DKs are goated in MT

[coarse bay]

Ive been farming AA

[daring marlin]

shame 90% of them are dunderheaded, drooling idiots

[solid sun]

lol

[tribal wharf]

in that room where you kill the wyrms

they buff you

and there is a thing in each corner to extend the buff

[solid sun]

I saw that some dunderheaded people weren’t going to intercept the nerd balls

So I did it

And I just got clapped so hard int the dirt

[coarse bay]

The power of the class being fotm for an expansion and continuing to be strong

Good dks are rare

[daring marlin]

yup lol

[tribal wharf]

so you can have a book, and then that buff going into that boss

[daring marlin]

Their tools are so good

AMS goated

I might play fdk if they keep getting buffed 😂

[coarse bay]

Dk’s kit is nuts, as long as theyre strong damage wise its so hard to see them not meta

[solid sun]

BDK is gonna be my tank this season

[tribal wharf]

uhhh last time i was playing with fdk that i am aware of he said they suck

[solid sun]

Idk why I’m doing that to myself

But it’s been decided

Trying to decide between ele and frost mage for ranged spec

[daring marlin]

shaman fucks

[solid sun]

I noticed they play the tri attack thing

Ele blast or whatever

Instead of earth shock

This revelation pleased me

But frost is crazy good too

[round cliff]

i haven't been running heavy repercussions this entire time

got me fucked up

[solid sun]

Oopsies

[round cliff]

my fault for trusting the wowhead talents page blindly

[lusty grotto]

or wowhead

cause we dont use it

we use icy veins in protection

[round cliff]

o word

who writes the icyveins guide

[lusty grotto]

Mwahi

[undone beacon]

Mwahi our beloved

[round cliff]

goat

alright ill use icyveins

[lofty warren]

Another victim of someone choosing wowhead guideeven though its wrong

[round cliff]

i miss nome

i yearn for what was

forgive me

[undone beacon]

I mean to be fair, wowhead has been the reliable source of pwarr info for a while with the nomester. Unless you are an IV diehard or come to skyhold, you wouldnt be a knower

It do be like that

[solid sun]

Hey pash how are you this morning

[undone beacon]

Certainly awake. I've got like 10 integrations to build out for one of our security tools which is fine except I need to go around to disparate teams and force them to cooperate

[solid sun]

I can roll up in a bulldozer

On the front loader I can put a sign that says “help pash or else”

Using red paint so they wonder if it’s written in blood

[coarse bay]

Its cuz urfqwake only gets its full value as long as things dont move from it, if things move u lose the damage and its just a lightning rod generator

[outer willow]

Do we get % for the dreadflails that spawn on the right side of nexus?

[coarse bay]

Shouldnt

[outer willow]

Affirm

[solid sun]

How many tries did it take you to type out urfqwake

[grim pilot]

We do

[coarse bay]

Usually a failed mechanic that spawns mobs is 0

[coarse bay]

Intentional

[outer willow]

Responding to me?

[grim pilot]

Yes

[solid sun]

It took me two tries to type that

[coarse bay]

Oh really? Thats surprising

[outer willow]

Interesting.

[solid sun]

My fingers naturally go U after Q

[coarse bay]

Those dreadflails kinda suck anyways

[coarse bay]

Ikr

[grim pilot]

Unless something changed

[coarse bay]

On phone it isnt bad

[grim pilot]

They like to hotfix stuff without even mentioning it

I.e first boss in nexus point

Still no mention

[grim pilot]

They do nothing

Free count

[coarse bay]

I havent looked at mdt, just assumed. If u saw it give % then id trust that more

[coarse bay]

Dont they have the circle around them that pumps?

[grim pilot]

Yeah dodgeable

Esp in ranged comp

[daring marlin]

What'd they do?

[grim pilot]

More lines, lines do more damage

Wasnt like that day 1

[daring marlin]

nice

I wondered about that

boss is ass

[grim pilot]

It got hotfixed few days into the season

[solid sun]

Which boss is first

[grim pilot]

That boss is easy but my team got surprised a bit

[daring marlin]

legit only annoying part of the dungeon

[coarse bay]

Usually the beams where u break them when u get the arrow

Left side

[solid sun]

Gotcha

[drowsy comet]

ugh the only thing thats kinda annoying when you get a new UI, with ElvUI is that you most likely need to re assign your abilities lmao

[undone beacon]

the worst part of nexus point is that my tentacle slam does stupid z-axis bullshit and doesnt hit half the mobs in the last room

[daring marlin]

lol

witch problems

couldn't be me

[solid sun]

Pash my friend is so mad that y’all don’t have shadow crash anymore

Would you say that’s a common sentiment?

[plush tendon]

Shadow Crash is so 2025

[undone beacon]

Not really

[plush tendon]

they tentacle slam now

[undone beacon]

Tentacle slam is very popular

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

lol she is like

So upset about it

[plush tendon]

she doesnt like tentacles

[undone beacon]

Its great. Theres no travel time. Just insta BAM dots

[plush tendon]

:3

[undone beacon]

Like it can miss sometimes if you target the wrong thing but so could shadow crash

[round cliff]

who doesn't like tentacles

[undone beacon]

Shadow crash was annoying as shit

[solid sun]

Her crash out was so awesome

[plush tendon]

you mean her shadow crash out

[solid sun]

Oh awesome I get to keep mine flat but not shadow crash what is this

Etc etc

[undone beacon]

why does she hate tentacle slam

its just instant shadow crash

lmao

[solid sun]

Mind flay

Idk she just thinks it’s stupid

[undone beacon]

bruh

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/goforitnakamura-nakamura-okutonakamura-aikihirose-anime-gif-14053251549992443489

[undone beacon]

Tell her to get good idk

lmao

[solid sun]

She hates all three specs of priest so maybe she’s just being hard on shadow lol

[toxic pewter]

who doessnt love a tentacle

[undone beacon]

I'm annoyed they made Mind Flay: Insanity tied to Archon/Halo but

Thats a diff issue

[undone beacon]

then she should play a diff class ez

[solid sun]

She swapped to Aug

[plush tendon]

wooooow

[solid sun]

Now she’s a nerd dragon

[plush tendon]

what a meta slave

shouldve played aff lock

smh

[solid sun]

Our squad’s group has become

[undone beacon]

i hear aug is pretty pog rn

[solid sun]

Prot paladin
MW
Fury
Aug
And a random pug

[dusky canopy]

AUG

[drowsy comet]

Do you guys use Heroic Throw to get aggro from mobs on distance?

[dusky canopy]

[undone beacon]

and a cool sexy shadow priest?

[plush tendon]

you are sooo close to greatness

[undone beacon]

or a surv hunter

[dusky canopy]

I use it to silence a caster that I’m pulling

[undone beacon]

Heroic not Wrecking

different throw silly

[plush tendon]

the comp I want to run is BDK, Fury/Arms War, Ret, hunter, and Resto Sham

[daring marlin]

augvoker 🚩

[daring marlin]

@dusky canopy let's run it with the lad

[plush tendon]

pull 5 mobs at a time

[dusky canopy]

I’m always down to key I just can’t lock into a push group schedule unfortunately so I usually just pug

[plush tendon]

proft

[drowsy comet]

I use both tbh

[daring marlin]

pretty much same lol

I need 3 more 15s for resil

[coarse bay]

Shadow crash caused way more crashouts

Things being moved as u cast it

[dusky canopy]

Oh right I just assumed gup meant WT, my bad

[dusky canopy]

Think I need 4 but I’m almost there too haha

Resil 14

[plush tendon]

I dont even have resil 12 XD

[undone beacon]

Shadow crash made me sad

[plush tendon]

ya boi been doing ez keys

[dusky canopy]

AA, MC, NP, idr last one

[coarse bay]

My gf wouldnt play shadow unless i tanked

[drowsy comet]

ya boi 🥀

[undone beacon]

I just got 3k/resil 12 on the priest the other day. Was avoiding Caverns like the plague

Still am tbh

[solid sun]

Sure come join us

[plush tendon]

Caverns isnt the worst?

[dusky canopy]

@daring marlin I’ve been playing slayer arms the last few days it cranks!

[plush tendon]

the first pull kind of slaps

[solid sun]

What are we missing

[plush tendon]

but after, its pretty chill

[plush tendon]

you need to become melee mongo comp

[daring marlin]

Think mine are easy ones. AA/SR/Seat

[undone beacon]

Theres nothing that drops in caverns I want, and also I cant CC shit in the second half of the dungeon and it makes me mad

[plush tendon]

I mean, there isnt much in any of the dungeons worth farming out

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-anime-gif-19434009

angry pash

[plush tendon]

Im basically just waiting for raid resets for BiS stuffs

[undone beacon]

Xenas rings

[undone beacon]

real

[daring marlin]

I'd like a pair of boots at least lol

and neck

That shit still champ for me

[drowsy comet]

been doing voidspire today on my warrior, how tf do peole still dont understand dragons lmao

[plush tendon]

yeaaa.... im still rocking champ neck and vet ring

[drowsy comet]

every wipe is because of fear

[plush tendon]

but I refuse to do more then my crest cap worth of dungeons

on a single toon

[undone beacon]

I was stupid with my crests and wasted a bunch of hero so im a bit behind on ilvl but im mostly hero now. Just need better statted rings

[solid sun]

What’s a melee mongo comp

[dusky canopy]

Can almost say the same, technically 3 ilvl on wrists for both specs, and a better statted belt for just arms from pit

Other than that I’m raid/vault locked for upgrades

[solid sun]

I didn’t even raid this week

[plush tendon]

play a bunch of melee/low target count cleave classes

[coarse bay]

Ive been farming AA for the ring and my gf is like 60+ aa of no puzzlebox

[severe star]

prot warrior fury fury fury fury

[plush tendon]

dont need to play around CDs, you just zug zug one pack at a time

[undone beacon]

the elusive 4 fury key

[lusty grotto]

you need a monk somewhere

for mystic touch

[severe star]

when I was leveling up my key I forgot to invite a healer on a 2

[dusky canopy]

BRM, Rsham, warrior, ret, dk/sub/feral

Demon hunters do good damage too but forget that

[severe star]

and we 3 chested it

[plush tendon]

^ yea, thats prob better

brew>dk

[dusky canopy]

Can also do BDK and just run a ww

But you want monk buff sham buff and warrior buff in the same group if possible

[plush tendon]

druid buff to

druid buff>monk buff

[dusky canopy]

True

[daring marlin]

yeah screw the hunter

[plush tendon]

hunter just slams

and its nice to have some range

but I guess we gotta go full zug

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah ap comp you’d run
BRM, Rsham, warrior, feral, mm

[ionic fern]

Shaman is too elementaly. Be a real melee comp with rogue,monk,warrior,dk.

[dusky canopy]

Rhino wanted melee Zug

[ionic fern]

Just smash stuff.

[plush tendon]

you want the shaman for windfury though

no windfury, melee comp sadge

[solid sun]

What I really want is a timed 10+ caverns

[plush tendon]

[ionic fern]

No I don't. Every time I see a enhancement shaman it just makes me sad about the TC visuals.

[plush tendon]

since 2004, a warriors best friend has always been a shaman

[narrow prawn]

well we are prot warriors

[dusky canopy]

Even true in PvP

Enh/arms always been good

Isn’t that “turbocleave”

[plush tendon]

to just leave out our best friend like that

smh

[dusky canopy]

Idr the names I don’t PvP

[daring marlin]

wf totem with og sword spec

the god proc

[vital vale]

ok i was right they do have a bleed, but i guess its only applied when you pull them and kiting them makes it worse

[plush tendon]

Bro, the amount of bleeds in these dungeons

Making me consider going back dwarf

[dusky canopy]

Idek where that mob is from

[plush tendon]

(Also stating paladin prog tonight)

[dusky canopy]

Is that NP?

[vital vale]

Seat

[plush tendon]

Do tanks get the dispel on paladins?

[dusky canopy]

Oh gotcha

[solid sun]

There’s a pull at the beginning of seat

[vital vale]

what is NP

[solid sun]

That features a number of these Protoss zealot style mobs

[dusky canopy]

I Zug Zug man idk what half the dungeon mobs do except the kicks I gotta do

[solid sun]

And if you don’t know about the charge you’ll get erased

[dusky canopy]

Nexus point xenus

[vital vale]

o

[solid sun]

Well if you don’t know about it and kite or pull from ranged and stay ranged too long ig

[vital vale]

theres no way to not get charged at

just gotta live it

[solid sun]

Sha has a video on it

[dusky canopy]

One cool thing I know in seat is you can berserker rage the purple circle from one of the mobs

[solid sun]

He doesn’t get charged iirc

[vital vale]

oh? interested, show please

[daring marlin]

Classic deadzoning? hah, slick

[solid sun]

If you use ring of peace on them

[vital vale]

but it will take you much longer to group those up in the first pull if you deadzone it

oh ring

[solid sun]

They charge through the ring

It’s super funny

https://youtu.be/r4M9cck-cig?si=IdrefGHqBrlb3MDJ

[vital vale]

ty

[solid sun]

Now to be clear I’m pretty disconnected from most wow content creators so I have no idea how good or trustworthy homeboy is on other stuff

But I thought this was a cool video

[lusty grotto]

that bleed does not hurt

or it could just be because im dwarf 🤷‍♂️

[vital vale]

do the first pull with 6 of them on you in a 12 or higher and dont use dwarf racial

tell me if it hurts or not

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt hurt because of it

it hurts because of the other stuff

[timid tapir]

is there a max threshold for haste?

[dusky canopy]

Aye nice! My team should be killing dragons tonight so I’ll get to see paladins as arms next week 😎

[lusty grotto]

no

[solid sun]

You aren’t lying

[lusty grotto]

maybe in s3

not now

[solid sun]

I have started to really enjoy MT fury

I don’t wanna slayer at all

[plush tendon]

im so excited to spell reflect SoTR on Paladins

stonks are gonna go through the roof

[dusky canopy]

You’re in luck because thane is pretty much preferable on all bosses in raid too!

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

LOL

Don’t you eat the silence though if you do that

[solid sun]

Yeah I’m just thinking about .5

When blizz slaps me

[plush tendon]

no

you can reflect the judge->sotr combo

and do damage back

[dusky canopy]

Oh you tank right?

[plush tendon]

yea, I raid tank

[dusky canopy]

I’ll be dps haha

[plush tendon]

Ive been swapping between Prot War and BDK for raid

[vital vale]

why do they not charge him at the start of the pull when he jade lightning the subjugator

[plush tendon]

Prot War main, BDK when boss requires it

[solid sun]

Idk I’m sorry mate

Maybe he’s just built diff

Hey @waxen frigate can you explain why sha is built diff and fawx keeps getting owned

Are monks immune to being charged

[waxen frigate]

they def aren't afaik

i've only done seat like twice tho

[solid sun]

Sorry fawx

He’s the only monk I know

[opal ledge]

the champions do not charge if until they get into meelee
... the charge is triggered by leaving meelee range, if you are not in meelee this can't happen

you can do the same with heroic throw

[vital vale]

hey thanks, yup i literally just entered m0 alone to test it, and if i just shield charge the first pack and throw at the other 2 and not move they will come to me with no charge

tho its inconsistent, i did get one stack of charge one time, not sure why

but 1 stack is nothing

[opal ledge]

if you make a micro movement when they get really close my triggger the charge, if they are in the range limit

[vital vale]

funny tho if i then leap away and get the 6 stacks of the charge even on m0 it drops me down to battlescarred veteran

also any idea what is team supposed to do against these portal minibosses? they do no dmg to tanks but pretty much every run people die to their AoE

obv i dont pull them away from the portal

but still when they channel their group dmg people just get deleted

[outer willow]

What key level?

[lusty grotto]

you cant do much, just beat the HPS

youre not a healer, so not your problem

[vital vale]

i want to make sure i make the game as easy as possible to my party if i can

[lusty grotto]

you cant do much <-------------

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[opal ledge]

they problem of pulling with heroic throw is that your dps will probably hit them before you tag all of them and they will die
i think, if pugging, walking slow is better, or just charging and taking 2 stacks

btw what do you mean 6 stacks?
are u pulling 3 subjgators?

[vital vale]

6 stacks of charge bleed

from 6 champions

pulling 2 subjugators

[lusty grotto]

why the fuck are you doing pull 2

[opal ledge]

oh nvm there is 2 chmapions on the first small pack i forgot

[lusty grotto]

just split them

you dont have lust

you do the first one BECAUSE OF LUST

if you dont have endless freedoms

[plush tendon]

yea, pull 2 is illegal

[lusty grotto]

or tiger's lusts

youre killing your team

[opal ledge]

I pull 2 too and we usually lust >:D

[outer willow]

????

[lusty grotto]

with lust

yes

without lust

why

[plush tendon]

I also like to pull the trash around the outside of the area onto boss

one pack at a time

[vital vale]

pull 2 worked fine in 13 so far

[outer willow]

Best case scenario you have a Druid healer and a ret paladin

[lusty grotto]

but then you say

i want to make sure i make the game as easy as possible to my party if i can

???

youre not making it easy

[opal ledge]

it's just a matter of people knowing they can remove the chains with slow

[outer willow]

!!!!

[opal ledge]

but pulling just 1 is safer

[lusty grotto]

you triple on the first one because you have lust

[round pendant]

[lusty grotto]

if you have snare removals, then yes doubling the other two is doable

but even then its not needed

its just complicating it for no reason

[toxic pewter]

def should run fearless

[lusty grotto]

its not about us apb

its about the team

[outer willow]

Resto Druid healer and run with a ret

Gg

[toxic pewter]

tell the pala to press freedom for once then

dude hasnt pressed freedom in 20 year

[lusty grotto]

the "pala" does not have freedoms for everyone

only for him and someone else

and freedom has a cd

so does fearless

[toxic pewter]

3 out of 5 not bad

[lusty grotto]

so does every single snare removal except for druid's shift

and hes pulling TWO

without lust

[toxic pewter]

i personally dont double pull there

too risky

[opal ledge]

why pulling without lust tho?

[toxic pewter]

just saying should have fearless anyway

[vital vale]

this nimchip guy lmao

one moment tells me not to worry about mechanics of a mob because its a healer problem and not 1 minute after tells me not to pull something that a healer will struggle with

remember when you were dead wrong about 'dangerous' pulls in PSF nimchip, and your response was "people can be wrong"

stop being so argumentative and confident in these harsh opinions and just engage in a discussion instead of being so obtuse and obnoxious sometimes

this entire conversation even started from talking about the charge bleed, which i brought up because i like to correct the record. the record being you claiming no such bleed even existed, and when shown that it does exist you just deflect by saying it doesnt even hurt.

there is more than 1 way to play the video game

[toxic pewter]

whoa wall of text much

[harsh trellis]

Lol don't do this pull.

[toxic pewter]

everything ok at home bud

[lusty grotto]

different cases

[opal ledge]

Shield Wall (of text)

[tardy abyss]

2x 2 just doesnt work in a high key

lmao

[lusty grotto]

Rift wardens arent a tank problem

thats why i said HPS is required

[harsh trellis]

I timed a 13 doing this all separate

[opal ledge]

this is the second time i see you calling PSF thing... get over it

[lusty grotto]

the only thing you worry about Rift Wardens are not separating them from portals, like you mentioned

[vital vale]

its a pattern and an experience i have coming here to have a discussion with prot warriors and this guy just throwing his opinion around as a fact instead of just discussing something he just shuts down anything that doesnt immedietly align with his PoV

[lusty grotto]

you cannot control anything there

[outer willow]

4/5

[lusty grotto]

get over it

[tardy abyss]

Subjugators are significantly more dangerous than anything PSF ever had

anyway

[outer willow]

Druid can shape shift
Pala can freedom 2 people
We can fearless

[vital vale]

its week 2

[outer willow]

I’m not suggesting do pull 2, but if you have the comp it’s sexy

[tardy abyss]

Pulling 2 with lust is fine

Without lust it will tear the entire group apart in a high key

[lusty grotto]

ty

[vital vale]

again, its week 2

[tardy abyss]

That has nothing to do with the week

lmfao

a high key is a high key

[vital vale]

ofc it does

[opal ledge]

one thing.... the charge is not a bleed right?
does it bypass armor not being a bleed?

[vital vale]

tooltip says bleed

and physical dmg

[lusty grotto]

he posted that it is a bleed

[toxic pewter]

yeh its like a 4 sec bleed iirc and can stack and it can actually hurt

[celest notch]

Imo, pull 2 there is dangerous because of the pulsing damage from the voidwalkers, not necessarily the subjugators alone. The subjugators still hurt, but the pulsing damage from the little guys on top of that is the more painful thing

[harsh trellis]

What level key is this?

[plush tendon]

we think Echo kills before liquid wakes up?

[toxic pewter]

prob

rigth now its echos race to lose moreso than liquid to win

[opal ledge]

can you dwarf it?

[tardy abyss]

Quick question, whats the highest seat you have played so far

[toxic pewter]

yeah you can

[lusty grotto]

yes

[plush tendon]

idk, getting to P4 is proving to be a challange

in of itself

[tardy abyss]

And P4 looks hard to deal with as well

[opal ledge]

not tagged as a bleed, idk

[dusky canopy]

I’m ready for liquid to slam dunk the W right out from under echo

[tardy abyss]

Tooltip says bleed

[plush tendon]

dwarf wont work on that

[tardy abyss]

Just check it on MDT

[harsh trellis]

On raider io what constitutes what keys show the route?

[opal ledge]

tooltip on mdt says bleed... but the acutally buff is not tagged as a bleed

[lusty grotto]

logging, raider.io client/app

[harsh trellis]

I wish for these high key runs they would keep the view route

[maiden quiver]

The thing is, if it goes to reset then liquid 100% wins

[plush tendon]

yea, Echo is not going to bed

[dusky canopy]

Liquid kills today for sure

[vital vale]

just because you said get over it :)

[toxic pewter]

they gotta just lock in

[tardy abyss]

Most routes one key level lower are visible and chances they do anything different are low

[lusty grotto]

get over it

[toxic pewter]

this fowx guy is deranged

[lusty grotto]

why is your ego so hurt about being answered by me

[celest notch]

You only get this bleed if you get more than 10 meters away from the adds that apply it

[lusty grotto]

again people can make mistakes

[celest notch]

They won't cast it otherwise

[lusty grotto]

and routes change, nerfs happen

dungeons change

[plush tendon]

honestly, kind of peak content

XD

[lusty grotto]

no, hes dead serious

[outer willow]

Can we pin this

[plush tendon]

I think he did a good job on his graphic

[lusty grotto]

oh sure

[plush tendon]

yall can be so combative

[toxic pewter]

lmfao

[outer willow]

This is satire at its finest

[plush tendon]

[vital vale]

ofc everyone can make mistakes, but the attitude of being so confident in sometihng that is a) incorrect and b) and opinion, is just a toxic environment and it happened multiple times when i came here asking for a question or getting advice and your responses just made me feel bad even coming to this channel

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

reminds me of this guy

that is fowx

LMAO

[vital vale]

so be better

[harsh trellis]

I love the tilt in the prot warrior community. It's like a warm blanket.

[lusty grotto]

i was not incorrect back then, but if youre worried there's a block button

[plush tendon]

I was thinking more like 50 cent

[toxic pewter]

is there a 50 cent gif or meme i cant remember it

lol

[plush tendon]

there are so many

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-10927571649042806525

[celest notch]

I'm with Nimchips. I did a 14, and pull 2 is suicide. I had a resto shaman, so maybe a better healer could pull it off, but the two subjugators + the voidwalkers are way too much damage

[vital vale]

well maybe you can project that opinion onto our current predicament, that pulling 2 subjucators without lust might be "incorrect" now, but since its week 2 we can still discuss it and not just instantly throw it out the window

[lusty grotto]

if you have the snare removals

[plush tendon]

it really depends on comp

[lusty grotto]

its more than doable later

[tardy abyss]

Do it in a +13 where you can get away with anything, sure

[plush tendon]

but Seat also doesnt have a strict timer

so there is very little reason to be risky

[lusty grotto]

if you have the HPS later, it'll be doable

[harsh trellis]

The first one on io that shows a big pull like that is the 16

[lusty grotto]

if you have NEITHER of those, as the keys go higher, the damage can be insane

[plush tendon]

but heck, what do I know

lets see if I do anything past a 12 this season (just need enough score for a mount)

[celest notch]

We ran it back immediately after wiping because we had a second 14 seat in our group, and instead did pull 1, but with the two sunjugators on the right, and pull 2 was the 2 subjugators ont he elft and it was fine

[harsh trellis]

I don't mind risking things with a resi key

[oak ivy]

[celest notch]

It's really just the pulsing damage fromt he voidwalkers that makes pull 2 scary

[plush tendon]

my hot take.... resil keys ruined high end M+

[sand condor]

I love the effort, this is so funny, but that pull is what bricked dozens of my keys

[harsh trellis]

I mean I don't understand why

[oak ivy]

bro likes homework

[sand condor]

Question tho

Where do you lust in Seat (first lust)

[tardy abyss]

1st pull

Straight away with 2 subjugators

[sand condor]

Okay so the triple pack

[celest notch]

This is much safer in my experience

[sand condor]

Got it

[tardy abyss]

Left side usually yeah

[sand condor]

Thats what i didnob my 13 too

[vital vale]

what about the 4th subjugator?
you pull it alone?

[opal ledge]

maybe we should try 3 subjugators, like kira had to (accidentally) deal with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2mm1Ucvtg xD

[celest notch]

There are two subjugators pull 1, and 2 pull 2

[tardy abyss]

With enough damage doable yeah, with lust you can melt one within seconds

[celest notch]

You just split up the voidcallers

[vital vale]

ok so thats exactly what i do then, and people claiming its undoable even tho it goes fine for me

ah the voidcallers?

interesting

[plush tendon]

my issue with resil is that it artificially raises the top end of what keys are required for title; youll have people sell their resil keys, and those keys get trickled down until everyone is basically required to have someone with resil already to progress score

[vital vale]

i thought most of the damage came from subjugator beam

[plush tendon]

like, trying to prog a 20 priory last season without someone already having resil 20 in the group was impossible

[harsh trellis]

Ah ok

[outer willow]

Ok I didn’t see this.

I take back my comment

[celest notch]

The subjugator beam hurts, but the voidcallers pulse equivalent damage the entire time they are alive. If the damage overlaps, you wipe

[plush tendon]

for weekly 12s I dont care

[celest notch]

Especially with 2 voidcallers

[sand condor]

Why dont we just

[plush tendon]

its purely for title pushing where I resil causes issues for me

[vital vale]

i see, then your pull is a good shout

[sand condor]

Pull all 4 subbies

[opal ledge]

they are subs, be the dom, that's what prot war is about

[sand condor]

Mass taunt it all. Press every defensive on earth and pray to god your dps do 500k each

[celest notch]

I don't have WoW open to look at MDT rn, but fromt he 14 I did, 2 voidcallers and 2 subjugators killed our group even through SLT and Ascendance active at the same time

[oak ivy]

surely the solution is to do heinous pulls with 2 heal 2 dps 1 tank

[sand condor]

Run 5 prot pallies?

[oak ivy]

based

[opal ledge]

5 tank meta, i approve it

[celest notch]

1 of each tank

[sand condor]

Hell run 1 of each tank

[celest notch]

Druid heals

[opal ledge]

but not prot paladins, they take dmg like a dps so this will be pointless

[celest notch]

twinsies

[sand condor]

Dk Druid Monk War Pal

[sand condor]

Based

[sand condor]

Counterpoint. Immunities and util

[opal ledge]

no utilities required, we want to zug zug

[oak ivy]

I bet you could at LEAST time a 10 w 5 tanks

esp if they blast

[tardy abyss]

tbf they also do damage like a dps in bigger pulls

[oak ivy]

guardian do damage like a healer outside of cd

[celest notch]

I could even see a 12 if they know how to dps

[oak ivy]

tru

[plush tendon]

I think they could go higher tbh

[opal ledge]

anyone wanna try a 10 with 5 prot? 😄

[celest notch]

Prolly, it's just a matter of dps at some point

[plush tendon]

bosses may be slow, but they could pull like mongos

but then you just pull trash onto boss!

[oak ivy]

i would but i've been skipping the gym lately n finally got the mojo to go today :(

[tardy abyss]

Just dont run Skyreach then :v)

[opal ledge]

why