protection

[slender bison]

Just get off-tank VDH with chains or 2 DKs

P1 is afk with decent people (no brain rot)

[coral quartz]

Quick question guys.

I was looking over rotation and priority on icy veins. It now has thunder blast as higher prior than shield slam. My understanding is that TB is number one priority in 2+ target situations and during avatar. Do we just TB over shield slam if it’s up now then?

[jagged pier]

it depends on stacks if u have 2 stacks of tb send

otherwise SS

[coral quartz]

Right okay that makes sense

[ionic fern]

Sims support TB being prio over SS always.

[coral quartz]

Okay thanks guys

[daring marlin]

YESSSSSS

[vital vale]

spell reflect doing 6% of my overall is actually kinda nuts

1.16m reflected on L'ura, 2.72m reflected on Nezhar, and the rest reflections of War Adepts or something

oh also the tank buster on 1st boss 600k reflected

[jagged pier]

that do be how seat works

[vital vale]

this dungeon has super good reflect value. inb4 nerf

[oak ivy]

What do you reflect on lura

[vital vale]

when the purple spinny beams start she smacks you with something

just reflect before the beams start turning

[oak ivy]

today i learned

ty

[vital vale]

dont reflect while you have a white beam btw, it will prevent it from hitting the fragment thing

[outer willow]

Copy paste from DB first boss?

[tribal wharf]

wait, i can just spell reflect the mario fire sticks on final boss of seat?

[outer willow]

Even the name

[vital vale]

you remember the 1st boss in Dawnbreaker?

exact same thing except you can reflect the tank buster she throws at you as the beams start spinning

not the beams themselves

[tribal wharf]

what i remember about that is doing it wrong and going boom

[distant dove]

Wtf is this heresy?

[solid sun]

Wise council

Counsel?

Whatever

[tiny mason]

is there talents for each hc boss?

or just use standard one from wowhead?

[old marlin]

yo peeps, genuine question. Last time i checked Haste + Versa was prio but i checked archon and now is Haste + Crit? What is the reasoning? Isnt versa supposed to reduce dmg? Im 3k rio and a lot of packs on keys i feel like paper i have to use everything

[round pendant]

Playing a different game is always good

[solid sun]

Archon isn’t a guide

[round pendant]

haste crit has been prio for years

[solid sun]

We recommend IV

We have never prio haste verse

[thin silo]

Haste/Crit has been the standard advice here since... SL I think?

[round pendant]

crit also reduces damage especially in M+

[solid sun]

Except maybe bfa when you could crank vers up crazy high

[round pendant]

a bit of vers and mastery is still good tho

stats are whatever, just meet the haste breakpoint and get ilvl

[thin silo]

Vers takes too much stat weight to be as effective as people want it to be vs magic damage, and by contrast Crit both gives good offense and provides Parry vs. melee attacks, which is our major source of incoming damage

[old marlin]

thanks all, i havent played since TWW S1 and always thought haste + versa was the way to go, maybe that is because i feel like paper in a lot of keys

[plush tendon]

its really a sim angle

for me, vers mastery is simming higher then crit

[open crest]

Checking in, where are we regarding the random buff debuff situation ? Anyone heard about it today ?

[solid sun]

Usually gameplay determines tankiness far more than stats do

[plush tendon]

still prio haste, but you should have a good collection of stats

[solid sun]

We have no idea what’s causing it. Best thing to do is post about the bug on the forums

Hopefully blizz fixes it soon

[open crest]

I reported about it yesterday, was just checking if anyone heard anything about it.

I reviewed some log, the bug got worse every time after 1st boss in all of my dungeon.

I'm talking stance switching, random buff popping.
Priest in my group had 7 different toy trigger in his logs

Right after first boss

[tardy abyss]

Im wondering if I had this happen in some runs yesterday

Unfortunately no logs

[north pecan]

Is there an ideal 3rd 285 craft if you have no plans to step foot into the raid?

[coarse bay]

Low ilvl piece, usually a low budget like bracer/cloak or a ring. Throw some options in raidbots and sim

[north pecan]

Didnt know if a 285 darkmoon hunt with the embelishment on the weapon might be a consideration

[coarse bay]

Wep shouldve been 1st or 2nd craft

So i assumed you already had it

Very strong choice to take, big recommend

@north pecan

[north pecan]

thanks

Oh I had mispoken, I had done weapon first craft with darkmoon hunt as an embelishment, then shield, didnt know if the darkmoonk trinket would be good for 3rd lol

[tribal wharf]

it was a group and skill issue after all

[coarse bay]

Trinket counts as an embellishment, did u embellish the shield?

The trinket crafts are usually not the best

[north pecan]

Yea I put a lining on it would just remove it, running a sim to see what the augmented trinket effect does at least per simc

[coarse bay]

Id personally not do the trinket craft but like i said sim some options

When considering the trinket, maybe compare it to some possible trinkets you can farm in heroic

[tribal wharf]

i havent bothered with embellishment

and i can do it to own shield, would need someone to finish weapon

[north pecan]

Looks like trinket seems to be the beste

[coarse bay]

But you should compare the trinket to trinket options you can farm

It might not be as big of an upgrade if you get some m+ trinkets

[tribal wharf]

infact i SHOULD do my shield

with one of them whatever craf things

arcano weave or some shit

[solid sun]

I can’t craft a shield for you yogi

But can craft a 2h

You wanna try some 2h tanking

Like cat does

[tribal wharf]

evey single time since dragon flight

[next pasture]

227 ilvl, 10 POS, am i a fool for trying it?

[coarse bay]

Why would u be a fool for trying

[next pasture]

i'm just wondering if something will one shot me

[solid sun]

Nothing to it but to do it

[coarse bay]

It will be very hard

I dont doubt it’s possible but it’s gonna be extremely tough and youre gonna be sucking all your healer’s globals

[north pecan]

will be fine, just run last stand and plan out your pulls with shield wall lol

[solid sun]

Is this the one way last stand is useful

When being undergeared

[north pecan]

lol

meh seems to be really close, think im just gonna go neck as getting ideal necks from vault is almost impossible

[drowsy comet]

Got good news, I came over my anxiety about routing and making mistakes. I got over it

Pit I gotta run a couple more times, same for Seat. I might have bricked 2 keys, but it wasnt by fault, we literally lacked damage lmao

[daring marlin]

UDKs suck

lmaooooooo

[drowsy comet]

Yup

[onyx hearth]

I think I will go back to human, I didn't like dwarf animations

[north pecan]

Ya ppl underrestimate animations

[drowsy comet]

dwarfs "Not ready yet" gives me ptsd lmao

Like cmon HURRY UP

[onyx hearth]

Dwarf animations are so silly

[solid sun]

What’s wrong with UDK

[north pecan]

Im playing gnome just bc I like the animations and jumps lol

[daring marlin]

fotm players are garbanzo

[drowsy comet]

gnomes should get killed

[onyx hearth]

Orc, undead and human animations are the best

[drowsy comet]

look at raider io, 90% brewmasters

[drowsy comet]

Maghar Orc are sick

[coarse bay]

I dont know animations

I dont look

[distant dove]

Are tank debuffs only visible on the raid frames now if is my ui just fucked?

Just getting into tanking and the fact that i cant properly track them is kinda maddening

[drowsy comet]

256 ilvl is my pwar now, and without a set piece lmao

[coarse bay]

You can enable private aura tracking for yourself and cotank in bw/dbm/ns

And resize/move them

[distant dove]

Ah so it's not a frame related setting now?

[novel temple]

What about not running any addons?

I noticed the same thing and I only use the base game UI

[coarse bay]

I have no idea about the no addons, maybe theres an option in settings to enable and u can move in edit mode

[coarse bay]

Its on my frames too but i have my private aura and cotank aura tracked more centralized on my ui as well

[vocal owl]

Hey is there a spell reflect addon? Like the old weak aura?

[coarse bay]

Nope

Doesnt exist

[vocal owl]

Okay

[onyx hearth]

There is a addon that says that you are being target but a spell

[jagged pier]

But thats in the default ui

[waxen frigate]

Retruth brother

[vocal owl]

What addon mate?

[opaque bronze]

So I took some of the advice from yesterday about humbling my offtank who thinks he’s the main tank. I stopped taunting the bosses off him and he died every pull. After a while I asked if he would prefer if I main tanked and he got angry

[solid sun]

What is the context I’m missing

[coarse bay]

Targeted spells. Like jakey said though the function is in base blizzard as well

[coarse bay]

That doesnt sound like advice from here

[solid sun]

Right?

[coarse bay]

[warm plinth]

Who told you to humble him...we said he had an ego and that main tank/off tank wasn't a thing for a long time.

[coarse bay]

Ya thats just some weird title now

[jagged pier]

Hes a ragebaiter just ignore him

[coarse bay]

Like being a manager in a place where everyone has equal power

[opaque bronze]

the main tank is whoever the boss focuses on first, basically the alpha of the raid

[waxen frigate]

Let’s talk about sardines

@opaque bronze what’s your favorite kind of tinned fish

[opaque bronze]

don’t know what that means but just wanted to stop by and say thanks for the advice

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

You’ve never heard of tinned fish? Tuna, sardines, mackerel, herring, oysters, etc.? In a can

[solid sun]

Are oysters a tinned fish

Maybe a tinned muscle?

[drowsy comet]

When I did a +4 Windrunners today , the healer (rshaman) asked me when I want lust, I told him in the first pull. This Arms warrior replied "Chad warrior", I felt so beloved

[waxen frigate]

They still broadly fall into the category

[sharp gale]

Are beans tinned fish ?

[waxen frigate]

No

That’s a legume

[jagged pier]

Not gunna lie fresh oysters slap hard

[waxen frigate]

I’ve only had them like twice, both times in New Orleans in January

[solid sun]

Oysters like the slime stuff on the half shell?

[jagged pier]

Im jealous of that nish

[waxen frigate]

They were ok but I came out of the experience not knowing if I liked oysters or the stuff that was on them lmao

Like I definitely liked what I ate but I could not confidently tell you that I know what an oyster tastes like

[jagged pier]

Yer its more down to what u put on them

[drowsy comet]

Do french people like baguette?

[waxen frigate]

I made it a point to eat as much seafood as I could while I was there

And Cajun style ideally

I like eating local dishes

[jagged pier]

This is the way

[solid sun]

A lot of people from there live here now

[sharp gale]

I prefer mussels over oysters

[solid sun]

Cajun food is boss

[waxen frigate]

First meal in New Orleans was catfish and grits

[jagged pier]

[waxen frigate]

It smacked

[sharp gale]

Everyone likes baguettes

[solid sun]

Alligator tastes good too

[waxen frigate]

It does we had some

It’s slightly tougher and gameyer chicken

[drowsy comet]

wth does gameyer mean

gamer ish? for gamers?

huh

[waxen frigate]

Gamey

[drowsy comet]

[waxen frigate]

It’s a thing

Basically describes hunted meat’s distint flavor vs domesticated animals

You know like “wild game”

[drowsy comet]

Ohh

now I get it yea

[sharp gale]

Chicken hunting

[narrow prawn]

man

unpopular opinion

[drowsy comet]

Gnome hunting

[narrow prawn]

but this NPX first megapull is worst than the algethar one

jesus fucking christ

it's a massive pile of shit

[drowsy comet]

Its annoying yea

[sharp gale]

Idk I feel it’s a firework of nothingness

[drowsy comet]

Especially with higher keys, some even say NPX is the worst dungeon

[drowsy comet]

a nothing burger

a baguette with nothing inside

[narrow prawn]

I'm doing 14s and 15s

And it's awful

[sharp gale]

Like the first pull you are ??????? is happening but NOTHING happens

[narrow prawn]

And shit gets fucked if someone accidentally pulls the Seer

[drowsy comet]

what really sucks is that these mobs take forever to come so you can group them up, and chainpull to the next

[drowsy comet]

/abandon immidiately

fuck that

[narrow prawn]

yeah it's what just happened

and you know the best

the mage didn't lust

[drowsy comet]

No way

[narrow prawn]

i was tanking this crap

for 30 seconds

with no lust

[drowsy comet]

wait

Wait

WAAIT

mages have lust????

dafuq

[sharp gale]

In my nxp 15 we full wiped twice and still timed it

[waxen frigate]

🤔

[narrow prawn]

you have big balls

[drowsy comet]

I saw the other day you joined a +15 NPX, think it was that

[sharp gale]

Maybe yes, I did bunch of keys with the only group who took me as dps in a 16

[drowsy comet]

Genuinly curious, because whenever I have a mage in my group, i saw nobody lusting

[waxen frigate]

They do lmao mage players are just mentally disabled

[drowsy comet]

The amount of stress I had in pulls without anyone lusting...

[solid sun]

Hey Nish

[waxen frigate]

Sup

[drowsy comet]

and mages are always the one who get clapped so fast lmao

[solid sun]

What’s a good snack that could double as a lunch for someone who drives all over the place

I gotta stop eating fast food

[waxen frigate]

Uhh

Nuts, jerky, etc

Trail mix

[sharp gale]

A baguette

[drowsy comet]

firebird in WS as example is one of if not the worst boss

[drowsy comet]

no

[waxen frigate]

Anything that’s preserved in a more traditional way basically

[drowsy comet]

they are muricans, doubt they got baguette

[solid sun]

I was hoping you had a delicious tinned fish answer

[drowsy comet]

Do old men really eat jerky? like dried meat?

[waxen frigate]

Oh

[sharp gale]

I bet they have gentrified bakery with 20$ baguettes while it is 1.50€ here

[drowsy comet]

how does this even taste

[solid sun]

Jerky is great

[waxen frigate]

I mean, imo if you’re driving tinned fish isn’t a great option

[drowsy comet]

the EU tax

[waxen frigate]

You have to deal with opening the can, the oil inside, the smell lingering, etc

[sharp gale]

Tuna is Swiss knife of tinned fish

[drowsy comet]

never tasted it ngl, but I somehow can imagine how it might taste. Seasoned, dry maybe even stretchy meat bites

Tuna is awesome

[solid sun]

Extremely convenient with various flavors

[coarse bay]

We do have bread

[waxen frigate]

I do not like canned tuna believe it or not

[sharp gale]

Like not even on bread ?

[solid sun]

Can you cook canned sardines

[waxen frigate]

I also really like Prasek’s smoked foods

[drowsy comet]

Toast in every variation possible, is just 1 sort of bread

[waxen frigate]

Sometimes my work food for the day will just be a pack of their pork/bison sticks

[solid sun]

Like what if I got the blacktop out

Made some fried rice

And then added sardines

[sharp gale]

Tbf it doesn’t feed enough to be a lunch

[drowsy comet]

never saw any different kind of bread other than toast in either social media or any american movie or ever

[waxen frigate]

Very good although imo sardines fit better into Mediterranean style cooking (pasta)

Sardines, pesto, pasta, mwah

[solid sun]

Pesto eh

[drowsy comet]

always white toast, with salami, ham, mayo, cheese, a tiny piece of salad and a olive on top

[solid sun]

It’s been a while since I’ve had pesto

[drowsy comet]

not gonna judge, but do you guys have any variation

[solid sun]

Variation in bread?

[drowsy comet]

Yea

[solid sun]

Yeah

[drowsy comet]

[waxen frigate]

Brother we’re one of the biggest countries in the world

You can get everything here

[warm plinth]

A tiny piece of salad?

[sharp gale]

Pesto is my emergency sauce

[drowsy comet]

Yea just one slice, thin as air

thats what I remember

[sharp gale]

I think you can get everything everywhere anyway

[drowsy comet]

always these super american sandwiches with 3 pieces of toast

[warm plinth]

Does that refer to lettuce? Or something else

[waxen frigate]

Less populated areas make it harder

[drowsy comet]

Yea mb

[jagged pier]

Look okay, hot take but canned chicken actually fucking great for portion and ease, 50gs of protien per can already cooked, but add sauce of choice done.

[drowsy comet]

Canned chicken? Im too european for this

[coarse bay]

Canned chicken is goated

[sharp gale]

Yes, I meant in every country you will have the big variety of food as dishes

Like pasta or sardines

[drowsy comet]

Schnitzel

[sharp gale]

It’s just fried calf

[waxen frigate]

Idk, lil gup seems to think the US only has a very limited selection of food

[drowsy comet]

"just"

[sharp gale]

Like we have crepes which is just bread on a pan

[drowsy comet]

Never been there, but from what Ive seen, ye

[drowsy comet]

Its not bread

[sharp gale]

Literally you just don’t have the yeast to make it pop like a bread

[drowsy comet]

Liquid dough, on hot pan, wait > crep

[sharp gale]

Damn, so if I add more flour to that dough

And yeast

And put in oven

[drowsy comet]

i rather stay healthy than eating 6 thick pan cakes with a piece of butter on top and maple oil

and some ppl seem to eat that for breakfast

[sharp gale]

The only unhealthy part is the oil you rub your pan with, I don’t eat a lot of butter, I just use it as oil

[drowsy comet]

thats what you should normally do yea

[sharp gale]

For crepes no, it’s standard colza oil you use

Or sunflower

I mean I use butter as oil in other dishes, like meat

[narrow prawn]

holy crap, first time i see that

[sharp gale]

Known monk heal

[limpid plaza]

Hey guys, would you craft bracers with double stat haste/crit or would you craft the bracers with only 1 stat and make it haste?

[lofty warren]

Has america won the 3rd race to worlds best guild in midnight yet?

[sharp gale]

Idk I think they are close to W yes

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/america-patriotic-eagle-usa-patriotism-gif-9438241

[sharp gale]

They did a 3% pull

[jagged pier]

Its in europe

[plush tendon]

you would go with the bs bracers; ideally, your two embellish slots will end up being bracers+cloak

[jagged pier]

Just not such a big thing but its basically tuna but chicken

[plush tendon]

and you can embellish the engi bracers with the good stuff

unfort the engi ones are pretty undertunned

[sharp gale]

if you ate a sandwich in a train station shop in Europe lil gup, you likely ate canned chicken

[warm plinth]

We have canned chicken here in the states too

[jagged pier]

U can actually get a full chicken in a can in the usa but im not talking about that

[drowsy comet]

Hmm i see

[sharp gale]

i worked a short time in a slaughterhouse, so whatever you put meat in, it doesn't matter

[drowsy comet]

[warm plinth]

I've never known anyone to actually buy one of those. No idea who that's marketed for

[drowsy comet]

Damn

[sharp gale]

maybe i should rephrase the meat part

[sharp gale]

we are so better bc we don't clean our chicken with chlore, sure

[solid sun]

I eat a lot of birds

I also like squid

The birds of the deep sea

[tardy abyss]

That must be why any Germans or Frenchies really miss good variety in the USA

Specifically bread

[sharp gale]

yeah that's something you guys need to work on, bread

[solid sun]

Idk we got some dope bakeries and a lot of bread based options at several big supermarkets

[warm plinth]

We have a lot of bread options here idk. We just don't consume a lot of different types regularly

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh, there's only one bread, other breads are just made up by the bread illuminati to get you to spend more money

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/big-huge-bread-slice-bread-gif-3544912

[coarse bay]

Wonderbread

I always wonder

[solid sun]

No one knows what’s in it

It’s a wonder

[pallid quiver]

bread

See my above comment

[tribal wharf]

why so many boomie

everywhere

[solid sun]

There’s an HEB close to me that has French bread for $1.68

[warm plinth]

I can bet a freshly made baguette here for $5.75

Get

Like at a bakery

[sharp gale]

tbf the issue is not the form or white bread, it's the loaf and sweetness

[waxen frigate]

HEB the goat

[sharp gale]

bc i checked what is wonderbread, i do croque monsieur or put jam on that type of bread

[drowsy comet]

ay the american bread

[waxen frigate]

That’s just what we’d call white bread or sandwich bread

[drowsy comet]

Its toast.

[waxen frigate]

Toast also works tbh

[sharp gale]

i love how the english version of croque monsieur went EXTREME MODE with the cheese all over the thing, not just inside

[waxen frigate]

Are you French @sharp gale

[sharp gale]

with 50 stacks of ham inside

[sharp gale]

yes

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-block-you-blocked-blocking-gif-14145534

[fringe mural]

Explain

[waxen frigate]

‘Ate France. Simple as.

[fringe mural]

erm okay, didn't know it was this kinda server

[sharp gale]

Like as the trend or genuinely you don’t like France

[waxen frigate]

As the shitpost duh

[sharp gale]

Idc if you don’t like my country, I’m an adult

[waxen frigate]

I’m also an adult I just like haha jokes I couldn’t care less about what country you’re from that doesn’t define you as a person

[sharp gale]

Sometime I have to ask in my mind with some ppl here

[waxen frigate]

Valid

I forget not everyone in here is aware that I’m just a shitposter 90% of the time

[tribal wharf]

is drums the same effect as lust, same values i mean, i never use them personally

[fringe mural]

no

[waxen frigate]

No it’s lower

[tribal wharf]

lame

[fringe mural]

i build them for one purpose only

[sharp gale]

Shitposting France is a common meme

[fringe mural]

For skillpoints and the 1 knowledge

but they're useful for solo content

if you don't have lust yourself

i think you were able to use them for the legion class challenges for example

the thick demon lady agatha and the tank challenge against idk what his name was again

i think i used a lot of drums to finally kill her

[drowsy comet]

Hey wait a minute

[fringe mural]

I only know the forfeit memes

giving up

aka being french

[waxen frigate]

Nah hating on France is very common

It’s just fun and games though generally

[sharp gale]

the give up one is kinda deadge now i feel

[fringe mural]

Like parkour

[waxen frigate]

Same with the UK

[fringe mural]

the martial art of

Running away

it's funny how french usually like more when you speak to them in german or try in your shitty french than in english

from my experience

A lot really dont like speaking english

[sharp gale]

i hate my comrades on this tbf

it is 100% true, it is systemic

[fringe mural]

Is it because of the wars?

the royal history

[sharp gale]

no bc of standardisation of french language

[fringe mural]

ah

[sharp gale]

state operated erasure of local language etc

[fringe mural]

i see

[sharp gale]

but it was a thing a while ago, it's just stayed in culture

[fringe mural]

yeah hard to get rid of those things

sadly

[sharp gale]

english teachers shame you if you don't have the english accent when you talk english

or stuff like that

• we have a private institute which ppl refer to scold those who have urban dialects or have accents

when i say dialects it is very minimised now, it's basically just different words

like i don't say the same word for a door handle as most of france, for example

[fringe mural]

there are some dialects in germany that are seen as "dumber" from some people

like berlin

if you speak like someone from berlin you're more probable to be seen as a simple person

or dialect from east germany

they're called "ossis" here, which is derogatory for eastern german

[drowsy comet]

Im Austrian, and I dont like germans either

[sharp gale]

my area local language was a mix of german-french, but after the war german was banned to be taught for few decades, so it got erased bit by bit

[fringe mural]

but all the ossis did wrong was being ruled by mother russia

which was not a choice lol

poor fellas

anyway, good talk, let's get back to prot warri stuff before the mods come home from work

[drowsy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/germany-german-german-astolfo-astolfo-anime-gif-24696067

Oh

Uh

[sharp gale]

they would not if it stays short

they really gonna kill it tonight

[fringe mural]

well we're kinda done, but thanks for the insight

[sharp gale]

W america

[fringe mural]

what you mean, orange man's ultimatum?

[sharp gale]

that's a topic which wakes the mod faster

[fringe mural]

oh

yeah

i had a "guild leader" in eve

[sharp gale]

eve online ?

[fringe mural]

echoes, mobile version

she was us citizen

[sharp gale]

i never played eve or echoes, so sure x)

[fringe mural]

and got offended by me calling out that not all "americans" are us citizens

and they shouldnt call themselves that

because she didnt like to be called "us guys" or "us folks" but rather wanted to be called "americans"

[sharp gale]

they should call themselves whatever they like to call themselves 🤷‍♂️

[fringe mural]

and she got mad and threatened to boot me when i said it would be the same if i forced her to call me european instead of german

but that wouldn't fit in her head somehow

[sharp gale]

you made me remember i hate news tv trying to call americans : United Statesian basically (in french ofc)

[fringe mural]

that sound awful though

[sharp gale]

IT IS

[fringe mural]

we say "amis" to them in germany

sounds kinda cute

the i at the end is for us somewhat like the -er the english use

like northern-er

southern-er

we say oss-i

wess-i

am-i

blöd-i

(which means idiot)

or, back to topic

a warr-i

or hord-i

all-i

you get it

are there any more non-dungeon and raid sources for myth dawncrests than delve gilded chests?

and the weekly nullaeus kill

[glass pollen]

Evening all, as always have a stupid question.... i've just started playing new characters with 2 mates, currently like level 15 and all playing Pally's but i've taken the tanking role with now prior experiance. Having an issue with all the diferent button presses. I was looking and noticed both Prot War and Pal have high APM. In your experiance is the War easier with the different skills you get. Sorry for the generic message guys and gals.

[tribal wharf]

ya caverns was a that day issue lol

groups are better now

[lusty grotto]

different in APM? no

[sharp gale]

in my opinion, prot war is easier than ppal, apm is equal

[lusty grotto]

could be slightly less APM, but not by a whole lot

its very close

[sharp gale]

#protection message

[mighty valley]

prot warrior presses a lot of buttons but very predictably, prot pal has more targeted utility to consider

[novel comet]

Easiest m+ to tank for someone who hasn’t tanked in a few years?

[sharp gale]

+2

[fringe mural]

from what i heard pit of saron

also you might know it from earlier still

[lusty grotto]

we're a prot warrior channel and warrior discord, youre asking for an extremely biased answer here

[sharp gale]

he ask a dungeon question

[fringe mural]

yeah but he's right

a druid tank might give a different answer

[lusty grotto]

true happy

[fringe mural]

because other classes find other content different

in difficulty

[sharp gale]

in a 2, not really

[tribal wharf]

if you want to do well you are going to do well,

there is no magic

[lusty grotto]

honestly all of them are easy

[fringe mural]

i think he was asking which one not which +grade

[sharp gale]

and you can follow the lighted adds to have a default route

[tribal wharf]

just play the thing you like and play it well and you will get invited to things you want when you prove you can suceed at them

[fringe mural]

should come naturally

[novel comet]

I do remember it but have also run it as dps so that’s a good call. Ty

[fringe mural]

and when you hit a brick wall

[sharp gale]

i would say, just not algethar

[fringe mural]

come back here again

[novel comet]

As a warrior in the warrior discord I’m asking other warriors what they find is an easy m+ for a warrior to tank.

[lusty grotto]

yes i got it

thats why i said "true happy"

[tribal wharf]

for me algethar is now eaasy now that i practiced the strategy on final boss

[lusty grotto]

and thats why i answered "honestly all of them are easy"

[tribal wharf]

i wiped to thta dungeon so m any times its nearly impossible now

[coarse bay]

The easiest tank is the friends we meet on the way

[sharp gale]

the first pull is the hard part now that ppl get the last boss

[coarse bay]

[novel comet]

Sad they changed that boss. I liked “go to the corner!!!”

Reminded me of elementary school where I actually got sent to the corner for being bad

[fringe mural]

did you find a way to minimize your own mistake or minimize the chance for others to play bad?

[toxic pewter]

[fringe mural]

serious question

[sharp gale]

bind your ping

very powerful spell

[fringe mural]

😄

[glass pollen]

Hey, thanks for the quick reply, i guess a different tank might be more user friendly.

[fringe mural]

i did bind the attack ping

and the danger ping

[sharp gale]

i binded the standard one, so i can do all 5

[fringe mural]

how so? if i press my button it will ping at my mouse location

i can't choose a kind of ping

[sharp gale]

hold the button

[fringe mural]

will you get a dropdown then?

[glass pollen]

Can a warrior tank be talented to be more passive or to lessen the number of different skills or are them some that are must haves? Just low level atm not doing level 70+ content

[fringe mural]

ooooooh

dude

mind blown

i should visit the derek zoolander center for children who cant read good

[sharp gale]

not showing your butt is a start must have skill

[lusty grotto]

no

[toxic pewter]

I mean we sorta lost like 2-3 keybinds at the end of last xpac/going into midnight so we are recently kinda pruned as it is

[glass pollen]

Thanks both,

[fringe mural]

haven't seen that

that's pretty helpful

[sharp gale]

you can control valeera and pugs with this

[fringe mural]

what does valeera respond to?

i tried attack but didnt seem to work

[sharp gale]

it worked for my max level valeera

[fringe mural]

ok maybe she was just busy doing rogue stuff

or mining

can you send her to gather stuff with pings?

[sharp gale]

i want to sleep but they might kill the boss just this pull or the next

[fringe mural]

you want to cheer?

[lusty grotto]

yeah its close

[sharp gale]

I WANT TO SEE

[fringe mural]

who is them

[sharp gale]

I WAS HERE, i want that

[lusty grotto]

it does die today for sure

great fight honestly

[sharp gale]

Liquid

[fringe mural]

alleria mythic?

[lusty grotto]

no

[fringe mural]

or what is it

[lusty grotto]

lura

[sharp gale]

midnight falls

lura

[fringe mural]

ah, new raid

[lusty grotto]

alleria died last week lol

[fringe mural]

i'm not raiding so i am not really up to speed on world progress sry

even when i was, i am on a roleplay server, so we were

way behind

[sharp gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91lE-17iDCM
if you want to see a world first

[fringe mural]

ty

i'm going to play some

laters

[sharp gale]

FUUUUU

[lusty grotto]

damn

how's echo doing? 8% pb?

yeah damn

4% echo wipe

[toxic pewter]

come on echo u got this

as long as liquid loses i am happy

even method or chinese guild

[lusty grotto]

sir

NA #1

[toxic pewter]

lol

[sharp gale]

as long it dies and we get post rwf tuning, im happy

[lusty grotto]

how dare you

[toxic pewter]

I have my reasons

[sharp gale]

im for Liquid if they win, and Echo if they win

[tribal wharf]

i have new PB for caverns

8 on time

[sharp gale]

it tickles me

[waxen frigate]

Slam a 10 dude

You can do it for sure

[daring marlin]

@undone beacon why you appearing offline huh

[indigo wadi]

Is there are a huge difference in playstyle playing colossus vs mountain thane?

Cause I really enjoy demolish 😄

[sharp gale]

difference being revenge > clap as colossus

[lusty grotto]

you just TC more and revenge less (mostly to get SS resets) as thane

[sharp gale]

i personnaly prefer colossus

[lusty grotto]

i like both

i dont prefer one over the other

[sharp gale]

yes but the season i had more fun in m+ was S2 col season

[indigo wadi]

Cool cool cool, thanks, gonna give it a try in a few keys 😄

Some builds seem to be running 1/4 apex on colussus when checking u.gg, any actual function to that?

[tribal wharf]

what do you guys think about making route like this

[lusty grotto]

those builds are ass, run icy-veins

[serene steppe]

Nobody goes left

You should avoid pulling the big djaradin mobs

[indigo wadi]

Roger roger

[tribal wharf]

which pull numbers?

I dont know what you mean by djardin

[waxen frigate]

You guys not playing gladiator or?

[lusty grotto]

he means the hex guardians

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-john-wick-keanu-reeves-john-wick-chapter-4-jw4-gif-12555304645715891364

[serene steppe]

I mean the big green guys that you start seeing after first boss. Dont remember their names

[lusty grotto]

oh

[cerulean tusk]

Honestly, just vibe it, Yogi

But, remember if you go left, go into the giant hut complex and get the cauldron for the 1% party DPS increase

[lusty grotto]

the gnarldins

[serene steppe]

That buff is so incredibly insignificant compared to the buff on the right side

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but he going left tho

https://giphy.com/gifs/google-im-reddit-BIZkwFtu2xDlS

[serene steppe]

And he shouldnt

[tame jasper]

Imperator Mythic down. Drop: 2x Mail boots + 2x Hunter-weapon 🙁

[cerulean tusk]

Irrelevant to my statement, Choco

[tribal wharf]

this heat map seems to show thats where people are going

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman, but gz

[mental scarab]

You can get a buff?

[cerulean tusk]

Yarp, one each side, there is a buff

[mental scarab]

Oh

[cerulean tusk]

left is a dam increase, right is an avoidance increase

[tribal wharf]

ya in all the times i have ever run that dungeon

i have never gone the other way

[cerulean tusk]

ya go into the big hut on either side, and grab it from a cauldron

[waxen frigate]

What’s your favorite dungeon this season so far

[tribal wharf]

pit of saron duh

im a boomer

[cerulean tusk]

reported

[tribal wharf]

and that boss is just,

[waxen frigate]

True

[tribal wharf]

fucking incredible lol

[waxen frigate]

Dumb question in hindsight

[tribal wharf]

the music and the backdrop

that dungeon is easily one of favorite ever

there still seems to be confusion on how to do final boss of magister terrace

and i suck at spires boss

[cerulean tusk]

What is the confusion, you split the room into 4, have one lad in each portion to play volleyball, and the tank faffs around with their stuff around the boss, while once in a while getting a close ball or ball in goop

[undone beacon]

Yeah MT has easy bosses

Love that one

[undone beacon]

Hiding from the opps

[daring marlin]

STOP HIDING FROM ME

[cerulean tusk]

Aint offline tho

wdum

you prob just on block

[lusty grotto]

you both

leaving ole rat behind

jk pash is not avoiding me

still stealth though

[daring marlin]

talking about bnet

bozo

[solid sun]

Are we doing keys

[cerulean tusk]

I would link that pash online on bnet, but I dont dox

[waxen frigate]

Pussy shit, air them out

https://tenor.com/view/drive-by-guns-shots-gif-13421965

[indigo wadi]

Feel like I did more damage as colossus 😄

So I got a hero 6/6 sword, and a champion shield 6/6.

Haven't crafted yet, got 80 myth crests now.

Should I still craft weapon/shield to max?

[dusty terrace]

thinking abotu the same got 6/6 hero shield should I still craft shield? got crafted sword :X rest of the gear is shiat

I will not likely get mythic shield from raid*

[undone beacon]

Normally I just sit invis on everything because I am antisocial but I will stop being a gremlin and be online on bnet more for dem keys

[lusty grotto]

yes, ilvl > all always

[undone beacon]

Finally bothered to do a 12 caverns and get resil kek

[indigo wadi]

Yeah, same, not mythic raiding, only m+ stuff. So might get a weapon on reset in vault, but um, shield would be best to craft first ig (cause 263->285)

[lusty grotto]

then craft it

its sunday so

i wouldnt craft

we're close to reset

but craft asap after

[dusty terrace]

its still better to loot vault as prot and risk getting shit trinket? xD

[lusty grotto]

yes

[dusty terrace]

though I guess its shit trinkets for DPS aswell >_<

[lusty grotto]

myth weapon and myth shield drop only for prot

[dusty terrace]

@lusty grotto thanks

[lusty grotto]

most trinkets we want also drop for prot

there's not a dps exclusive

[dusty terrace]

Raid* though right?

[lusty grotto]

all content

[dusty terrace]

ok. thought the tank m+ trinkets were dog

tyty

[lusty grotto]

heart, puzzlebox, etc all drop for prot

[dusty terrace]

we really use puzzlebox?

[waxen frigate]

If you hate yourself

[solid sun]

Don’t hate yourself

You gotta root for you

[waxen frigate]

True, puzzle box does effectively root you

[indigo wadi]

kinda scam that crafting for 2 sparks costs 80 myth crests too, and two hand also costs 80 😡

[narrow prawn]

The Gaze + Umbral Plume combo worked well so far for me, i ditched an Algethar myth from my vault cause i refuse to use this item all the time

[toxic pewter]

phew

[molten hollow]

Rhino is smelly.

[toxic pewter]

just had a dpser backseat tank me and i didnt go crazy and argue with them until im kicked out of the raid

my tankego is lower than its ever been

[indigo wadi]

Ring of midnight champ too stronk

[tribal wharf]

the game is BROKEN

[lusty grotto]

@daring marlin come AA you nerd

nvm nvm

[solid sun]

:(

[toxic pewter]

NOBODY TALK BOUT MY FFRIEND RHINO DAT WAY

[molten hollow]

Apb is smelly too.

[toxic pewter]

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[solid sun]

Lmao

[tribal wharf]

nobody crash out tho lol

[solid sun]

Hey APB smells like beautiful roses

Like a cool breeze on a perfect day

[tribal wharf]

when the game is on a tight timer and there is no pause button because it would be abused

and it relies on second to second action with a team

there cant be any lag

or any bugs like this whree you cant target to heal the tank or cant release after a boss

[pastel geyser]

guys i figured out why i was taking so much dmg

i was playing in fuckin battle stance lol

[tribal wharf]

thats the most im going to crash out on it and is truth

[pastel geyser]

probably for more than a week.. lol

[tribal wharf]

i thought it defaults us back to defensive when we log in or change talents

i wouldnt know, i never take that off

[solid sun]

Are you getting the bug now yogi

Where healers can’t target you

[tribal wharf]

no, boss 1 ppl died, dont entirely know why

all i know is second try i SAW the guy go BEHIND the ice trap and not in it

boss 2 ghosts not being done right

and final boss not great placement of totems, till, second try

[solid sun]

Tbf

In my opinion it makes more sense for the bird to hit the trap

As opposed to you after you’ve already sprung the trap

But also people should know by now in a 9 sooooo

[tribal wharf]

this is my suggestged strategy for boss 2 caverns

and the problem will solve it selve

that, or parralel lines

mystery solved

healer triple tapped by puddles

[narrow prawn]

LMAO

THERE'S A PHASE 4

liquid just killed the boss and then surprise phase 4

[tribal wharf]

https://www.twitch.tv/teamliquid/clip/ObliviousCoyBeeYouDontSay-DzWDbPnOB1YdEqAH

[thin scroll]

yeah Max figured there was a secret phase

[fringe mural]

it was hidden from them?

[lusty grotto]

from everyone

[fringe mural]

Wild they managed that

[lusty grotto]

they did not

[thin scroll]

boss got to 0% then a new phase started lol

[lusty grotto]

its the first time they see it

[fringe mural]

Against the army of dataminers

[lusty grotto]

oh 🤷‍♂️

[fringe mural]

no hide it from the players

[lusty grotto]

its been a thing since TWW

not hard, they just encrypt stuff

[fringe mural]

people datamine all the stuff when they can

yeah i guess

[lusty grotto]

im not new in the internet my dude 🙂

[undone beacon]

Man remember the awesome Mythic Gallywix secret phase

Oh wait

[fringe mural]

I don't doubt that, i was just genuinely surprised

Blizzard made the effort to hide it

[lusty grotto]

yes, they have been hiding stuff since last expansion

[fringe mural]

that's cool actually

not so cool that everyone knows now before they even tried the boss but hey, can't have everything

[sharp gale]

spells got datamined hinting a secret phase, but they don't know until they see it

[fringe mural]

ah

was it a cool fight?

i mean they had to put in some effort since it's the 2nd time you fight a dark naaru in sunwell

[sharp gale]

it seems the craziest fight they made

[fringe mural]

well you gotta earn a 300 haste ring right 😄

Crazy item really

[indigo wadi]

As a new tank, gosh, what a feeling, first compliments received woho 😄
(didn't even have to pay them)

[cerulean tusk]

gj

[coarse bay]

@indigo wadi you are an amazing tank and that route went hard

[indigo wadi]

All thanks to Tactyks routes

Mega confused about pull 13 in it though, realise now I pulled the wrong side 😄

[tribal wharf]

is the buff thing for go left and right on all difficulties

i want to go in and see it from my own pov, saw youtube video of it

or its only we get the buff when we go right?

all that for 3% leech and 3% avoidance for rest of the key?

im watching a video and this dude pulls everything i dont pull

[tribal wharf]

'good god man

srdfgkl;fdskl;dfsakl;'[dfsfdsakl;'

fkdsl;fkdslk;dsfdfslkdfsk

[lusty grotto]

might be the bug

[tribal wharf]

[p

MY DEFENDSIVE STANCE IS TURNING OFF

[lusty grotto]

so it is the bug

like i said

[tribal wharf]

ok

thats enough for me

okay thats it for me

im done till tuesday vault hard lol

im hard quit till then lol

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

FIX YOUR GAME BLIZZARD

[thin scroll]

#smallindycompany

[trim bay]

I was doing a 15 nexus point and one of the adds before the boss down the right hand corridor bugged out and no one but the healer could do any damage to it. It would just avoid all our abilities. And I couldn't get threat on it.

[lusty grotto]

evading?

[trim bay]

Yea

[lusty grotto]

unfortunate but thats just evading, just get super close

[trim bay]

Wait what? So if it happens again like essentially stand inside the add?

[lusty grotto]

yeah usually it works

if its in the sky or something like that, it might not and you might need to wait for a snap back down

[trim bay]

Roger. Apparently it's a known bug

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats just regular WoW behavior

[trim bay]

Nah it was on the ground

[lusty grotto]

if it jumps, gets knocked into an unreachable surface they do that

and/or no pathing out of it

[trim bay]

Hmm that's lame

What trinkets should I be using for 15s. At the moment I'm using heart of the wind and rotting globule for a defensive trink.

[lusty grotto]

solar core is a much better defensive trinket

but at 15 you shouldn't need to worry too much about them

[trim bay]

Why's that? I assumed higher the key the higher the damage etc

[lusty grotto]

15 isnt high

[trim bay]

What would you recommend the second trinket then if not defensive

Oh lol

[lusty grotto]

dunno whichever

puzzie box, or whatever sims best

rotting globule isnt too bad

[trim bay]

Roger

[lusty grotto]

solar core is just so much better defensively speaking though

[lofty warren]

puzzle box mega bait

[lusty grotto]

nope

[trim bay]

Aight.

[lusty grotto]

you just gotta know how to use it

its big value

[trim bay]

You pre casst it right

[lusty grotto]

dont use if youre braindead

[lofty warren]

2 second cast time

[trim bay]

Before charging in

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[tribal wharf]

it seemed to happened when healer is getting attacked on first pull, they are are a hpal, and its first pull so i cant see why they wouldnt hit buble

but still thats a crazy line

this is about the same as i play a shooting game

and the grenades dont explode, and the gun fires blanks

or it doesnt reload

Also can't paladin bubble, or did they have that removed

Holy

Cuz it's pull 1, got aggro, I know button I'd hit that scenario

[lusty grotto]

its not the paladin's fault

[dapper karma]

For prot warrior, is it better to put my loot specialization to fury or arms? I'm returning and before that was the case for my other tank. Ty!

[fringe mural]

It doesnt matter right? Since both specs use 2h weapons in any case

[dapper karma]

I mean instead of having prot as my loot specialization, should I set it to a dps spec instead

[vivid orchid]

do you want prot weapons and shield, and defensive trinkets, or do you want more armor pieces

[lusty grotto]

prot

just send as prot

[fringe mural]

i got alnseeker on champion, is it that good of a trinket to put away a hero trinket for it or is the difference relatively small?

[lusty grotto]

there's no hard slotting lower track stuff

[fringe mural]

ok

[lusty grotto]

you replace with whatever sims better

[dapper karma]

That's helpful, thank you!

[vivid orchid]

that said it is likely that normal gaze gaps any hero trinket, but verify it

[fringe mural]

Can you recommend an addon to sim?

or do i have to export

[solid sun]

Simc to get the thing you copy

[lusty grotto]

export into raidbots

[solid sun]

Then go to raidbots

[fringe mural]

ok ty

Simc addon, then copy the code into raidbots page

gotcha

[waxen frigate]

Fuck @lusty grotto

[torn gulch]

man lu'ra secret phase is fucking insane

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

Sup dude

[lusty grotto]

just spamming some NPX for shield

and rings

[undone beacon]

i gotta do that for the ring

gotta get a hero Omission

[lusty grotto]

yeah that one barely drops

i have 3 people looking for it lmao

[vivid orchid]

..my alt got one

my tank does not

my group hardly ever sees the key

[still sequoia]

Is the eternal egg trinket any good? If anyone knows

From March

[lusty grotto]

its ok but not the best defensive trinket

[still sequoia]

So far the only one I got xD

[proud dock]

in AA, do u ever take the heal buff or is that troll?

[lusty grotto]

yellow dragon always

for haste

[proud dock]

ok coo coo coo

[solid sun]

does anyone know how to navigate to character window stuff in elvui

I'm trying some googling and failing rn

[lusty grotto]

what

wdym

[sharp iron]

Hi guys im playing prot warrior, i am a little unsure what stats to aim for, atm im going for as much haste as possible, how do i wanna split the rest ?

[lusty grotto]

you sim

but the usualy stat prio is ilvl >> haste >> crit => vers > mastery (mastery is still good, never avoid it)

just equip haste pieces and sim vs other haste pieces

and i hope youre playing prot warrior, we all are here 🙂

goes without saying hehe

[sharp iron]

okay, High haste on all items or will i hit too much haste what you think

[lusty grotto]

any haste

[vivid orchid]

no such thing as too much really

[lusty grotto]

high haste, little haste, it doesnt matter

you just equip anything with it

but not at the expense of ilvl

[sharp iron]

ok thanks

[opal ledge]

what addon is that, that can show the cds of my party members?

[lusty grotto]

none it's Pete's Defensive History

thats not possible anymore edit: its legit, since its blizzard approved historical

how old is this video?

[opal ledge]

1 day old
from Topicx

[lusty grotto]

if its current, thats banable edit: its legit, since its blizzard approved historical

@gentle violet

if you can answer this guy about it dw, they figured it out, but ty

its very likely that its old footage, but as far as im aware cds arent trackable legitimately anymore since blizzard nuked the RWF stuff edit: its legit, since its blizzard approved historical

as in, old footage in a new video i mean

[opal ledge]

kira has it too

[lusty grotto]

theres the name right there

[opal ledge]

yeah im checking it right now

[undone beacon]

its not like, real tracking iirc. Its guestimating

[lusty grotto]

just a heads up, if you cannot find it in curseforge or wago though

it might be sus, rememeber blizzard is banning for addons like that

but its very likely that its legit

[opal ledge]

it is on curse forge

[lusty grotto]

cool

[opal ledge]

"Tracks cooldowns for Blizzard-approved IMPORTANT, BIG_DEFENSIVE and EXTERNAL buffs. "

[lusty grotto]

thats good to know

not that we care about those

unless you shotcall

[woven radish]

I wish we could still track offensive cd's... that's what would really help me in keys

[opal ledge]

if it is on curse forge its safe right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

youre good

[opal ledge]

"Tracks 76 offensive and defensive cooldowns."

it tracks some offensives too

[gentle violet]

@lusty grotto Yoooo. It’s MiniCC 🙂

@opal ledge it’s called ^ and is downloadable on curse forge or WowUp

[undone beacon]

Got chim to 11% sadgers

got it on reset easily

[outer willow]

I'm not mad at it

Big chance I was being carried though. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/96mCry2daVRnXcK1?fight=last&type=summary

[daring marlin]

I believe in you

[undone beacon]

Next week fo sho

people really struggled with intermission

[lusty grotto]

my friend was telling me about it

ty

[outer willow]

Does this mean I got hit from the back 14% of the time?

[warm plinth]

No, it means you failed to block 13.49% of hits. Some can be back hits, but some can also be not having Shield Block up.

If you want to see back hits specifically, click thie shield block icon above the table; that will filter only hits taken while SB is active.

If you have unblocked hits there, those are back hits

[outer willow]

I see.

damn.

98 hits.

thats too many.

[warm plinth]

It's quite a few for sure

[outer willow]

Gotta work on that.

but my shield block uptime is high!

Not bad at all. Just need to stop turning my back

[lusty grotto]

thats not accurate

86% is

it needs work

[outer willow]

I’m confused, the shield block is not accurate?

[lusty grotto]

what i replied to

thats just aura uptime, it means nothing

[outer willow]

Ohhhhh

[lusty grotto]

whats important is the 86%

[outer willow]

Ok so - Filter by shield block -> Blocked hits % needs to be as close to 100% as possible. That’s correct, right?

[lusty grotto]

no, this needs to be up

[outer willow]

Ok so DONT filter by shield block aura

Just get the blocked hits up

[lusty grotto]

i think youre complicating this

read what Ghash said again

it has nothing to do with what youre saying

its specifically for back hits

the 86% you posted FIRST is what needs to go up

[round pendant]

I think you're both overcomplicating it

[outer willow]

I’m ready to learn.

[lusty grotto]

its possible

[onyx hearth]

I miss being 5% bigger

[outer willow]

I want to specifically see - How many hits am I taking from behind.

[onyx hearth]

Bro