protection

[chrome hull]

Oh over capping. Got it. Thanks man

[warm plinth]

And our entire gameplay loop requires us to spend rage, so any rage we waste by overcapping can't be fed into the loop.

No problemo

[timber ledge]

are u doing myth raid? nimchip. If u are, could u dm or tell me ur character name so i can check some good logs

seems u know a lot of the class

[lusty grotto]

im not atm

[timber ledge]

ou

[lusty grotto]

my guild is currently reforming so we're behind a little bit

[sharp rover]

Just go to warcraftlogs and search for top parsing prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

just search Sense Tichondrius

[timber ledge]

im raiding with brew but i wanted to give prot a try

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Sense always has logs you can look at and he's very good

[timber ledge]

and i did today hc raid even smoother than i usually do w monk

to gear it

[lusty grotto]

Master Sense is a top tier one-trick and youll never get some cheesing out of him

just proper play

[timber ledge]

Sense Tichondrius on youtube?

[warm plinth]

On WCL

[lusty grotto]

if you search WCL leaderboards youre gonna have cheese monkeys

[timber ledge]

ye ik

thats why i asked here

[lusty grotto]

so def dont follow that other's person's advice

[warm plinth]

On youtube he's SenseNurfed

[timber ledge]

ik people hard pad to be top 100

[lusty grotto]

[timber ledge]

as brew it feels the same

i mean i can get 60k on averzian myth

and its still a 57 xD

i go check top1 log

full dmg small adds

[stoic hound]

ahh thank you for that

[lusty grotto]

just to be clear im not 100% sure plka is playing warrior, but when he is, he is also good

[timber ledge]

okey so

i thought before IP was the most important part aside shield block

i should focus my defensives on

[lusty grotto]

its secondary to SB

[timber ledge]

big uptime on shield block, using good shield slam and shield wall?

[lusty grotto]

high APM on SS

[timber ledge]

oke

always prio SS over thunder slam procs?

or whatever its called

idk exact names of the spelss sorry

[warm plinth]

This is an EXTREMELY common misconception, so don't feel bad haha

[lusty grotto]

TB prio, but it can go either way really

[timber ledge]

so for example

if i get both procs same time

doesn't matter right?

[lusty grotto]

TB first

[timber ledge]

oka

and outside procs

always ss?

to make it go cd

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS > TC > Rev/Exe (for SS resets only, execute only as Thane and in pure ST)

[timber ledge]

also I'm using avatar at cd

idk if thats good or not

[lusty grotto]

yes thats fine

[timber ledge]

will read the wowhead guide if its good so i refresh my mind

[lusty grotto]

its not good

[timber ledge]

seems very safe for raid right?

[lusty grotto]

use the icy veins guide

[timber ledge]

the spec

[timber ledge]

alrigh

[stoic hound]

Icy Veins is better

[timber ledge]

alright*

yup yup appreciate it

i think i will progress better with war than brew

in raid

Oh yeah and a last question

Guides recommend first 2 crafts wep shield

should i follow that or adapt to my gear?

as i geared it this week, no myth vault from the week before yet and didnt craft anything

[lusty grotto]

but should be consistent with the icy veins guide

[timber ledge]

ye i mean

i know its advised the wepp shield

jsut asking personal opinion

as im some weeks late into the character

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

[timber ledge]

and i already got hc one hand

maxed out

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

[timber ledge]

blindly

oke

[lusty grotto]

we always go ilvl > all on shields and weapons

[timber ledge]

ye

[lusty grotto]

so does virtually every class

[timber ledge]

i wss thinking on crafting belt as it was champ and my weapon was maxed out hc so i didnt lose the hc crest i blindly wasted

but yeah if wep better i do wep shield

could even do the 3 i think

[lusty grotto]

yeah you'd be down 240 myth crests but sure

[timber ledge]

i didnt waste 1 yet

[lusty grotto]

do read the fine print on the shield craft, especially if you have 1st boss on farm

myth shield > crafted shield

myth weapon > crafted weapon

but myth weapon comes from saladbar

[timber ledge]

maybe should i just give a try to pugging first one just in case i get it before i craft? 🤔

will do tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

oh i thought you were doing myth with your guild

[timber ledge]

ye

but w main

[lusty grotto]

i see

[timber ledge]

until i swap im raiding with monk

we going Tuesday chima and saladbar

as war was 260 today

and monk is 274

[severe star]

saladbars is the best weapon?

[lusty grotto]

best weapon is the highest ilvl you can get

[severe star]

yeah true sorry

for bosses how do you split ignore pain/revenge all my boss parces suck

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[severe star]

thank you

I hit ignore pain too much it seems

[grim zinc]

Yeah I'm already learning a ton from the discord channel.

[severe star]

Im very sure hitting ignore pain 13 times per minute is not ideal based off this metric

[loud rune]

i dont have any survivability issues in raids, so my main spending for rage in raids is revenge when thunder/ss is on cd

[severe star]

I think im doing it because I wasnt confident in either myself or in my healers but I dont do it in m+ which is weird

[uneven snow]

since WA isnt a thing anymore is there a customizable resourcebar? i want it to change color if rage >= 70

[severe star]

If I can maybe ill change the rage colour after 70

[lusty grotto]

that is still playing incorrectly, read what i linked

rage consumption is faster if you use IP

[lusty grotto]

do not follow what they replied with

[coarse bay]

There are addons that can change color of your resource bars at certain levels, but 70 isnt a hard number, just dont cap

[subtle whale]

had the same thing in raid! i couldnt be healed all night (although not warior, but dk. im scouring everything for more instances of it happening and information)

[severe star]

I mean I just tested what you that wall said and ive been doing like 7% more

[lusty grotto]

there's a lot of topics covering it but warrior side on the WoW CS forum

7% more what

[coarse bay]

[lusty grotto]

cam you wanna key?

[severe star]

I did another normal chim

that doesnt answer the question but damage

[coarse bay]

I do but im out of town

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

In 1-2 days

Yes

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[coarse bay]

The other day when u were back and i asked if u were keying

I was waiting in lfg looking to snipe you

But i think u were with guild

[timber ledge]

one more question nimchip

[coarse bay]

[timber ledge]

for example if im off tanking in raid

shall i just swap stance?

when not actively tanking

[lusty grotto]

you can

its good to do so in raid, but just remember to swap to dstance when you taunt

or just before it

[timber ledge]

ye ye

thx

ending the icy guide

helps a lot tho

seems i was missplaying a lot

[severe star]

I know tank parces arent the most on boss fights but Im glad that I acutally do some decent damage now

[lusty grotto]

parsing is always good

[severe star]

makes me feel a little dumb that im 8/9 on hero already

[coarse bay]

Parsing is one of the most fun things to do in raid when its just reclears

Just dont make it your personality

Sometimes if i know my parse is cooked i contemplate jumping off the platform

And praying for a wipe

[lusty grotto]

calm down Growl

[severe star]

Just seeing alot of green made me feel a bit bad if I ever get mad over my parses ill drop the game

[coarse bay]

Wait does growl do that

What a chad

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt but he prays for it

there was a clip of him praying in styx

[coarse bay]

Lmao

Our priest was like 5 globals late for mass dispel on paladins this week

And it absolutely ruined me

And i almost jumped off

[coarse bay]

It’s a good way to spot room for improvement and it’s a good motivator for it

A lot of raid tanks get complacent, but at least for dps players they live and breath parses so there’s more pressure to improve

By a lot of raid tanks i mean ive heard of a few and making a broad general statement that has no facts behind it

[severe star]

I really like how you worded that thanks for the words of wisdom also thanks again nimchip

[lusty grotto]

[coarse bay]

Im just bored and yapping random things, but if u like my ted talk then we balling

[severe star]

we are warriors do we really need to make sense

[coarse bay]

Nope

[severe star]

just ooga booga

[coarse bay]

Just bash with shield

And charge

[daring marlin]

got bodied first pull in MC16 lol

made a new group and clapped the 15

idk what happened but people weren't raging about it so that was cool

[next pasture]

is there a way to make execute only glow when like.. you know, the target is in exe range?

[lusty grotto]

no

[next pasture]

brilliant, thanks

[undone beacon]

Another one

[daring marlin]

grats pashypoo

[undone beacon]

[lusty grotto]

someone said i could only do 8 abundances

but

im doing a 9th

[coarse bay]

Literally cant be stopped

[lusty grotto]

ok well

it only gave me 600 unalloyed but i was just afking

[mystic cave]

hypothetically, im out of SW, avatar on cd, and im bought to take a big hit. Its just spam IP and pray right

[lusty grotto]

nvm i got 900

[coarse bay]

Spamming ip is almost never a solution

If its a buster or something i guess u call for external or pray you live it

If its trash just leap away/cc

[mystic cave]

i just feel very tied to SW to do risky m+ pulls/big hits, and without it i panic IP and hope it keep sme alive

im not super used to kiting, but i think i should be doign that more based on high keys ive seen (second season tanking)

[lusty grotto]

it wont

[coarse bay]

Overspending on ip is a way to deepen the hole

Not dig yourself out

[mystic cave]

So when you are in that hole, impending victory, keep up the active mit, and then its external or ktie?

with the movement speed slow (i forgot the name)

[lusty grotto]

you not only have walls

you have SR

and demo shout

all of them are DR (or MDR in SR's case)

[mystic cave]

maybe im to in the flow of using demo for DPS, and in harder content i should consider the DR portion more

[lusty grotto]

not only that but SS does Punish which is more DR, TB does Keep your feet on the ground which is 8% dr, Phalanx does 5% DR

[coarse bay]

Its hard to just make a hypothetical situation because i feel like your reaction varies by the situation

[lusty grotto]

not quite, remember demo shout has cdr due to TC usage via talents

but yes, if you think youre gonna need it you can certainly hold it

[mystic cave]

I feel like I have the damage portion down pretty good, nice heroic parses and good key dps. But when i run out of SW, i feel much more lost in "stay alive buttons" than i did on brew last tier. I coudl post raid logs if it helps but not sure

[coarse bay]

Maybe youre using sw when u dont need to

[mystic cave]

Maybe, but like you said its pretty subjective. some bosses/keys i never press it

some I feel like I need 4 charges

[sick shell]

Does everyone drop last stand on shield wall in higher keys? It feels pretty important in the 9-10 pug range

[coarse bay]

I dont take it at all

[mystic cave]

I just thought it read bad, the times where you are pressing SW that low seems bad fundamentally

but im new here 🤷

[lusty grotto]

i dont use it in 13s

probably dont plan to use it until... way later if at all

[sick shell]

I guess it comes down to trusting your healer

[lusty grotto]

nah

[coarse bay]

We arent a self heal tank

[lusty grotto]

and i exclusively run with pug healers

if shit hits the fan

r1s even lmao

[sick shell]

Ok I'll drop it and go back to devastate

[coarse bay]

I dont think ill be doing keys big enough to warrant it, im not sure how high of keys you expect to push

[lusty grotto]

wait

did you drop devastator for it???

[mystic cave]

I thought it was illegal to do tank keys over a 10 unless you were Brew

[lusty grotto]

thats super illegal

dropping devastator i mean

[coarse bay]

All tanks are able to do decent keys rn

[sick shell]

What else is there to drop? The rend rage talent?

[lusty grotto]

what build are you running

hopefully the icy veins one

[sick shell]

Ya I just swapped one point out

[lusty grotto]

LS isnt swap worthy honestly but if you had to swap Enduring Alacrity is a good pick

or

yeah bloodborne

[sick shell]

There really aren't a lot of options, the tree branches in a way that everything is mandatory

It does feel like it's in a good place though, I'm enjoying it

[coarse bay]

Ya warrior is in a good spot rn

[sick shell]

Hopefully the avatar nerf they have coming won't ruin it

I kinda like alternating clap every gcd

[lusty grotto]

you dont have to

adn shouldnt

[sick shell]

Why, what's prio over fishing for shield slam procs

[lusty grotto]

wait what avatar nerf

i thought you were talking about the apex

[sick shell]

No, they got an avatar nerf in the pipe for .5

[lusty grotto]

are you sure about that?

do you mean thane

[sick shell]

Ya for thane

[lusty grotto]

so its not an avatar nerf

[mighty valley]

it’s a thane nerf to avatar’s effects on clap

I guess

[lusty grotto]

what no

oh right yea

its whatever, since practiced strikes is getting buffed

it shuold just put thane more evenly with colossus

so 🤷‍♂️

we still count it as an unintended nerf

it was aimed at fury

we're just catching a stray

[sick shell]

I don't think the people making these changes actually play warrior

[sharp gale]

I mean, the talent/gameplay linked is getting old tbf

[lusty grotto]

its not a big deal since SS was getting buffed too

i totally understand the idea behind the nerf, they just want it to be less bursty and to have less importance in extending avatar

still feels like a stray from fury nerfs

but it is what it is

i kind of agree with archi though, the damage nerf is what feels strange

the cdr is fine

either way SS still trucks so thats okay

[sick shell]

Isn't not like warrior dps is pumping right now, like how they kept hitting arms with nerfs till it was borderline

[lusty grotto]

its not a huge loss in overall dps from the sims

unless they havent updated mimiron

[cold pilot]

Gotta be a world first, someone prove me wrong

https://i.imgur.com/0ShAQml.gif

[round pendant]

not world first

[cold pilot]

prove it!

[round pendant]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/collections/achievements/61906/glory-of-the-midnight-delver

0.0034%
The percentage of players tracked by Data for Azeroth that have obtained this item

and they have like 1.3m accounts tracked

so roughly 40 people have it

[cold pilot]

I'll duel them for the title.

It's less than that if Google AI is correct. Says they track 2.5 million accounts

err more than that

[round pendant]

AI and correct generally don't go in the same sentence

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/stats/summary

[cold pilot]

idk man, have you seen that Black Snape Harry Potter diss track, that shit is right af

Remember when Delves had puzzles

[round pendant]

nope, I've done like a handful of delves in my life

[sick shell]

They added a chance for hero items to drop from bountiful chests now

I think rank 9 on the delve track

[mild river]

Strenght still gives bonus to armor and vice-versa?

[lusty grotto]

no

armor gives strength

but not the other way around

read Armored to the Teeth

[mild river]

Thanks!

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

[vital vale]

I dont see many evokers this season. does their bleed removal work on the myriad of stacking tank busting bleeds this season?

Id definitly go out of my way to invite one in higher keys if i can if they can remove those bleeds

[lusty grotto]

it works on whatever you can dwarf sure

it does not work on skyreach

🙂

[vital vale]

damn

[lusty grotto]

AA bleeds, sure

[vital vale]

i dont play dwarf tho so idk which it will work on. works on the lashers in AA and the champions in seat i assume?

[lusty grotto]

see above

[vital vale]

how far above

[lusty grotto]

a line above

[vital vale]

AA okay

[lusty grotto]

idk what you mean about champions in seat

[vital vale]

and champions too i guess

theres bleeds in MGT right? the enforcers? i dont remember

[vital vale]

the mobs in the first pulls before 1st boss, some more of them before 3rd boss too but you can skip them

[lusty grotto]

there's no bleeds there

[vital vale]

this is definitly a good season to be a dwarf but im not gonna reroll for that

oh its a shadow dmg dot

those champions are just destroying me

[lusty grotto]

those arent dispellable so no

[sharp gale]

The ones that does a shield slam ?

Before the second boss

[vital vale]

no

[lusty grotto]

nah

[vital vale]

the first pulls in Seat

[lusty grotto]

he means first room

[vital vale]

the knockback ones you can just spell reflect

[sharp gale]

Oh okok

[lusty grotto]

but the bash is goodge reflect dmg

[vital vale]

i also have to tell my group not to kick 3rd boss

topping meters with spell reflect there

well not topping

but close

[sharp gale]

I should start to try intervene reflects to see if some works

[lusty grotto]

WRS has some stuff that is dwarfable

[sharp gale]

Bc a shit ton of stuff is deflectable

[lusty grotto]

and also the one debuff in Pit

[vital vale]

the plant balcony?

[lusty grotto]

ehh

[vital vale]

thats the only place in WS that i ever feel like im killable

[lusty grotto]

maybe? idk

its my 3rd day back from vacation so the new stuff is kinda fuzzy

[vital vale]

welcome back

[sharp gale]

Im dps this season in m+ and yeah tanks usually dies in the plants area

[lusty grotto]

weird

[vital vale]

its kitable tho

so its no big deal

[lusty grotto]

i did like two WRS today and i didnt feel like it was dangerous

[sharp gale]

But idk if it’s bc they roll into the next pack or bc actual mechanics

[lusty grotto]

i just literally pull that whole thing

[vital vale]

WRS is not dangerous for the tank at all, only that one pull with the plant mushroom thing can hurt you

when he spawns a lot of adds

but you can kite them

[lusty grotto]

yes

i dont kite

fuck that

that shit didnt hurt

and I HAVE A CHAMPION SHIELD

[sharp gale]

I can’t really dissociate what is happening to the tank with just they fucking rolled in the middle of the pack sometime

[lusty grotto]

because a hero one refuses to fucking drop

[vital vale]

not crafting one?

[lusty grotto]

why though

[vital vale]

you get 50 myth crests for free

outside of seasonal cap

[lusty grotto]

myth raid my dude

[sharp gale]

1/2 shield bearers in my guild got it, soon it will be mine

[lusty grotto]

youll probably get it before me

knowing my stupid luck

didnt this happen like 3 seasons in a row?

[sharp gale]

Im most likely third, just needs to drop

[sharp gale]

S1 I never got a myth shield, S2 I got it in my first/second vault and S3 I didn’t even craft one

I think I got one randomly in a manaforge reclear, omega saladbar got a shield no ?

[lusty grotto]

i wish i had your luck sometimes

[drowsy comet]

how it feels when you´re back at tanking and know you´re just goated

[timid nacelle]

How are we dealing with Null Sunders in Nexus? How are these cleared?

[sharp gale]

S2 was my lucky vault season 0 socket until full gear even if I crafted on CD, when I switched back to dps mid prog I got 2x2 hands back to back in the vault

[jagged pier]

with what?

[sharp gale]

I never was so geared without getting raid loot

bc I was tank

[jagged pier]

dont even know what your talking about never noticed anything in nexus thats an issue

[timid nacelle]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1249645/null-sunder stacking armour debuff from defenders on the left side, sometimes stacks get real high and I am getting clapped, timer is long and mobs immune to cc so can't stun and kite like other debuffs. Other times they are just are just dropping off before timer is up and not getting too high. Was wondering if it's something that just needs to be healed through

[lusty grotto]

yeah of course

its a heal absorb

it fades when it gets healed

you can also reflect it to reset it

but just treat it like any other stack and play it like that

stun when the timer is about to fade etc

treat it just like fiery talon (which cannot be reflected), first AA pull bleeds, or even Nullaeus add debuffs etc

[drowsy comet]

What stats do you want to have on your 1h and shield? Is it crit haste or something different?

[vital vale]

sim

or just go haste + something else to be safe

but it just depends on overall stat distribution, but it really just doesnt matter esp on a weapon which doesnt have much stats to begin with

haste is never wrong

1h and shield are important because they provide attack power, armor, and block. their secondary stats dont leave a big footprint

[drowsy comet]

i just checked, on 1h its crit haste, shield is vers mastery something like that

[lusty grotto]

wrong

[drowsy comet]

why

[lusty grotto]

its crit haste for both

[drowsy comet]

hm if you say so

oh yea wowhead has the stat prio

[vital vale]

haste lowers your shield block cooldown, tell me you dont want as much of that as possible

but like i said, those slots dont have much stats so its not a big loss if you just want to save some gold and random stat it

[lusty grotto]

disagree

if they are gonna craft something and not mythic raid, they might as well be the best stats

[drowsy comet]

yea mythic raid is not planned anytime soon

[lusty grotto]

then you go the best stats and play the vault waiting game for myth tracks

[drowsy comet]

taking my time, my pwarr is still gearing for basics and doesnt have any set piece yet

Yea

[untold tangle]

Oh thanks for this. I didn't know it was reflectable

[vital vale]

those stats just dont mean that much until you hit higher tier content, and this fellow asking about stats with the WoWNoob tag likely isnt planning on progging lura anytime soon, so im giving the advice i believe is most relevant to the person asking

[lusty grotto]

i know who the fellow is

hes been around

[vital vale]

ait

[drowsy comet]

this fellow is known...

[vital vale]

i still think that if you dont mythic raid and dont have much gold you can definitely just send your wep crafts without a missive :P highly likely you will get haste anyway, plus if you dont its not gonna make or break your season in the more medium core gameplay

[lusty grotto]

a missive is like 500g

at most

[vital vale]

is it

cheap over there in NA

think its like 3k here the haste ones

not much but some people are broke

[lusty grotto]

i think its reasonable to think that if he asks "which stats", he wants the stats for a reason

[vital vale]

fair enough i concede

[drowsy comet]

700 but yea they arent that crazy expensive

so both crit haste right?

okay

time to upgrade my shit

[bleak breach]

What are you guys doing for taunt swaps on mythic imperator?

Or whatever its name is lol

First boss

I treated it like normal/heroic but other tank struggled a bit with the hp drop, so assuming we need to taunt more regularly

[drowsy comet]

you swap after the other tank taunted, then you taunt and play tic tac toe with the boss

[bleak breach]

Yeah, like same as heroic?

Other tank was just worried about getting high stacks

[hollow hawk]

You guys speccing into just 1 point for apex talents?

[rocky fossil]

what's this noise about mountain thane getting nerfed? will it effect prot too?

[fringe mural]

if it comes to it, yes apparently

the cooldownreduction of tc during avatar is less and the dmg of tc in general afaik

[fringe mural]

not in here no

[hollow hawk]

Was just watching topicx video saying thats the play for higher keys

News to me

[jagged pier]

Nope

[drowsy comet]

Thane gets nerfed so Colossus getting buffed, we will see how it look like when its on the PTR live

[jagged pier]

For very high keys it has places, but the bulk of the work, is done by bsv

So if your want to go tanky just take bsv

And still play 4apex

[rocky fossil]

alrigth, so not in yet, potentially got to change with .5 patch?

[fringe mural]

Yes

[jagged pier]

Also i dont know if its in his build but alot of these builds are taking bb, which as we do not hat much bleed damage isnt really worth taking anymore even for fbv heaking its not gunna make or break it so can swap that for something more defensive too

Also look if hes running hr

Because if hes nit he inting if he dont have the correct haste for it

[sharp gale]

Build in question

[fathom meteor]

do i bother switching to dwarf, cant clear this stupid AA on a 15 -_-

[jagged pier]

Yer thats the 1 okay 1/4 apex build

Ill allow it

[sharp gale]

Im more doubtful on his class tree, and I didn’t have a thought about gathering cloud either

[jagged pier]

Oh didnt notice that

Not have forthing berserker is dumb

[sharp gale]

But the video, he is not very confident, likely still learning/ climbing

[jagged pier]

I would have forthing beserker thats a lock

The bandage is not that great

[sharp gale]

Piercing howl neither

He talks about berserk rage dispel / dungeon specific

I play with a red talent thane build

No stormbolt no intervene

[drowsy comet]

first pull? yea its definetly rough

[sharp gale]

You need to set it right and kite it to reset your stacks

[fathom meteor]

idk if its a pack living thing, ill keep trying before i swipe but aye if dwarf makes it easier lmao

[sharp gale]

It does make it easier + if you can have a pocket evoker

[spiral mountain]

Why don't people take apex talents lately?

[sharp gale]

Idk who does that except the guy we talked about earlier

Rank 1 prot war plays 4 apex

[fringe mural]

isn't the dr from second wind worth it for really critical situations?

[fringe mural]

ah it's just hp

nvm

only nice for solo play

[sharp gale]

You take dmg in solo play

[fringe mural]

yes

but you dont have a healer

[sharp gale]

And you proc bsv at 30%

[fringe mural]

and when you play against stuff that wittles you away it's useful like elites or elite packs

or raids that are just about soloable

legacy ones

so not a great talent for m+ unless your dmg intake is very steady and your healer cant keep up

[fathom meteor]

hes playing 1 apex?

[sharp gale]

No

4

[fathom meteor]

https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plkawar?season=season-mn-1

[sharp gale]

Acefloorpov

[fringe mural]

you give up dps going down to 1/4

substantially i'd say

and if you cc chain with a good group mobs dying fast is more important than dr is it not?

[fathom meteor]

hes playin the 1? atleast he logged out with that build on

[sharp gale]

Raiderio is bugged with apex talents

[fathom meteor]

copy

[sharp gale]

Check his logs of his 19s

[fathom meteor]

truuu

[sharp gale]

If you take raider.io-> calculator you still have 3 points to put in the tree

If the tree has green nodes = you can still put talent points

[coarse bay]

Some streamers seem to use 1 point, i think it mightve been a possibility at one point in beta? I think the ones that do just dont have up to date info or something because there isnt really a point not to

[sharp gale]

But Pika does play 1/4 apex

[coarse bay]

I know i saw plka using 1 point and i was sad

[fathom meteor]

surely its a preference thing ive only used the 4

[sharp gale]

At the end, it will not be a preference thing for pushing extreme high keys

If you need context on their choices, ask them on their stream bc we can’t answer if it’s very specific to a dungeon/pack/boss in a certain key lvl

Like one of the 19s acefloorpov plays last stand no punish

[dusty terrace]

Can you run heavy rep. And not go haste? Or is it just dogshit?

[coarse bay]

@dusty terrace

[dusty terrace]

@coarse bay thanks. It just feeling so one sided that HR is just a talent node to use «on your way too 1188 haste» and then you swap to ITF.
Was just wondring if staking vers crit or even mastery and keep running HR could be good too in some situations. Don’t know hoping for a diverse gameplay but I guess its just dumb overthinking

[coarse bay]

Answer is yes, heavy repercussions is still recommended, but haste is always really good to get

I think it’s a big gain when u can move to itf

But you dont want to switch until you can be sure of your shield block uptime

Hence the number 1188 haste

[dusty terrace]

Mhm

[coarse bay]

Im sure you could choose to take other stats until then

Thatd be a sim or feelcraft angle

[dusty terrace]

Thanks for help @coarse bay

[coarse bay]

But haste is generally still very good for us regardless

[fringe mural]

is it factoring in shield charge?

the 1188

or is that extra uptime depending on situation and a part of 'managing your shield block uptime'

[sharp gale]

I think the design choice is questionable yes, bc it is a common trap

[rocky fossil]

while I'm sure it's bad... what's the downside of macroing shield slam with ignore pain as shield slam? how much rage am I truly burning?

[sharp gale]

We are tuned around having 100% effective block, but smh it’s a choice to just die in the beginning of an expansion

[coarse bay]

Somebody very practiced can make it work with less than 1188 if they know what theyre doing

[sharp gale]

You dump your rage over 70 rage, so if you macro IP with SS and replace your SS bind, you will IP under 70 rage and starve yourself

[coarse bay]

It’s extremely bad because you shield slam often, meaning ud spend it all on ip and never have block

[jagged pier]

Yes

[rocky fossil]

thank you, I stopped using it once I hit 90 anyway, it was fine for levelling but I was curious about the maths behind it

[jagged pier]

Which strimmer said it, its been bought uo far to much over the past few days

[coarse bay]

The apex?

[jagged pier]

Macro

Apex is because aggreate sites and them all copying each other and they faxt 4 apex on beta was worthless so they all got used to running 1

[coarse bay]

Oh ya it has been frequent, i just chalked it up to still new season and probably people trying tanking

Everyone tried to macro things together for some reason

[fringe mural]

Ty

so not trying this before 1.1k i think

[sharp gale]

From simulationcraft apm stats it seems prot war is very high again, maybe it’s one of the reason

[coarse bay]

Ya, probably

[sharp gale]

It is at max ilvl but it doesn’t change the point

[fathom meteor]

how much vers to peeps got

[coarse bay]

Whatever happens to end up on my gear while im looking for haste

Im not home but im sure its a small amount

[vital vale]

i saw apex discussion above. i was running up to 2.8k as 4/4 apex but changed to 1/4 apex last night and found it much nicer to survive with in pugs. maybe when i get to 280+ ilvl ill go back to 4/4

last stand and indomnitable just help me prevent veteran from proccing too much in those sketchy pulls, runs feel smoother

[stoic crane]

my prot warri friend seems to be bugged. i cant heal him anymore. do you know what to do?

[vital vale]

its a new bug yeah, heard about it yesterday

tanks become "unfriendly target"

[stoic crane]

is there a fix? or do we have to wait for blizzard 😕

[vital vale]

maybe if people stopped dying to random stuff we wouldnt be so unfriendly

[vital vale]

i havent heard of a fix. guess its bricked key :/

[vocal owl]

Can u link to see all classes ?

[vital vale]

someone posted about it on reddit yesterday told it happened to him 4 times that day

[fathom meteor]

im ngl i m pre sure ive Carpal tunnel

[jagged pier]

Nah his chars bricked as far as im aware

[jagged pier]

Thats not even high

It used to be higher

[fathom meteor]

my wrists are conditioned for destro lock

[stoic crane]

time to swap to his monk again x)

[jagged pier]

Might be linked to this spamming abilitly thing that might also be a seperate bug, no idea lots of weird stuff going on

[vital vale]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/tank-bugged-in-keys-help/2285460

its happening to other tanks too

[jagged pier]

Yer its a char thing not a spec thing

Happening all over the place

Just blame rwf, it stater hapoening after the fix they pushed for addon fixes from rwf

Unless its an addon a lot of ppl sre using

Thata been bricked

[grim zinc]

I have a very important question: What is the ultimate protection warrior weapon combo transmog?

[jagged pier]

Whatever fitd your tmog the best

[tribal wharf]

oh how the tables have truned

.................. a BLOOD death knight

...... which is a tank ...... thats self heals alot......... used to solo things this way.............

dies to not having a healer

basically

but again i will say it, blizzard fix your game

[grim zinc]

Is it completely normal for my shield slams to be critting for 150k+? I was a bit shocked. Is it a proc I'm generating or something?

[tribal wharf]

this is like 7/10 on the clown scale allowing your game to be in a state that you cant target the tank in a key to heal them

its not totally rediculous but its tedering on it

[grim zinc]

Are there situations where we are taking Hunker down in m+ keys?

I feel like there are so many good talents in this protection tree...

[tribal wharf]

the issue with what you are saying

is the keys are on timers

so that by default makes us take offensive talents

[grim zinc]

That makes sense.

[tribal wharf]

up until your doing like 18s 20s

[grim zinc]

Does Punish stack indefinitely?

[tribal wharf]

and even then, its for specific dungeons with specific comps, pre-calculated and cd's planned to live it

cuz thats the other side of it

is, at the level, its you dont live the cast, the keys over

[grim zinc]

Right, violent outburst. That's where the shield slam damage was coming from. Who knew you might learn something from reading your talents.

[jagged pier]

Ye but your never gunna get over 4 really

[sharp gale]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html

Some specs are missing

[drowsy comet]

man these group listings are so funny sometimes... "3.2k Main" lol

[tidal saddle]

is there a way to track mobs cd like crunch armor from bears in maisara caverns? like old weakaura cd nameplate used to do

[jagged pier]

Nope

[tribal wharf]

well, what i know is it doesnt show like it would on a boss

i can have guesses for reasons why this is the case

so, its literal gunna have to be you set a timer and track it lol

or wowhead it

and write it on piece of paper

[dark barn]

We need 35% haste baseline to keep 100% uptime of SB with ItF?

[tribal wharf]

no, never heard 35% haste (regarding this season)

1188 rating

which is ~30%

[jagged pier]

its never going to be 100% uptime

u need ither HR or like 66% haste (from rating alone) to do that

its 100% effective uptime with management or close to

[tribal wharf]

or 75% mastery /.s

[sharp gale]

S3 I’m gonna prepare a mastery prot gear

[tribal wharf]

if i make a wizard type character in wow im doing this transmog

this guy is a REAL wizard

[grim zinc]

Having high crit is a little cozy I have to admit.

[solid sun]

Hey @jagged pier

When you’re looking at a dungeon log

Does uptime only count during combat

Or while the dungeon timer is running

Like I know we don’t necessarily care about SB uptime in general over effective uptime and percentage of blocked hits, but if someone’s log shows 73% uptime does that indicate that much of the dungeon regardless of being in combat or not

Or that percentage of actual combat time

[jagged pier]

in logs it takes into account movement time between packs etc

thats why we look at blocked hits instead

[solid sun]

I figured

[tribal wharf]

hey rhino, still working on keys, caverns is a turd

did some lower ones since 7 and 8's werent happening

explained them the mechanics for each so they cant screw it up

hope i can do 10 of it by tues

[sharp gale]

You can hover the dps number to see active dps, idk if you can’t do the same with shield block uptime

[solid sun]

Interesting

[solid sun]

I’ve failed to time two 10 caverns

First one I just don’t think we played very well

Second one we had a healer priest that was struggling and my prot pal friend had a couple times where he seemed to just fall over, unsure why

[tribal wharf]

at first it was we would wipe to first boss, then we got to final boss on 8 and tried it like 5 times

and they cou ldnt seem to manage it

[solid sun]

I’ve noticed a number of people are still unsure how the traps work on the first boss

Nobody knows how the last boss works

[tribal wharf]

so its hard boss without using strategy

[solid sun]

Interrupting the ghost boys is def huge

[tribal wharf]

i was running it on a 6, which we seem to have no issue compared to the 7s

[solid sun]

Shoutout to whoever was in here yesterday learning up apb and me

[tribal wharf]

and my priest was total panicing during the leap

and just running around scared

had to send them whisper to stay with the other marked

cuz, once again, with all adds more than 1, its about getting them all lumped up so the dps can attack them with same aoe attack and kill them fast

[sharp gale]

I charge kick one, shockwave another and wreck throw another last, I let slow ppl do the remaining ones while I hit the boss

Gnome racial very powerful when you don’t care about charging into the civilian ghosts

[tribal wharf]

its just only the totem that spawns in and not something else right

cuz every time those totems spawn in they get aggro on something, that i think they have to kick

but i cant be there when hes going to drop the crap

cuz they die immediately after too

[sharp gale]

tbf the last boss mech where he jumps on 3 ppl and pop gripping adds is not that easy to do properly

[tribal wharf]

it would be pretty hard to change the fight now

[sharp gale]

Not everyone can remain calm to dodge the circle / while staying close to the previous

[solid sun]

I don’t think the fight needs to be changed

I think people just need to learn to group up the totems and kick all the ghost boys

[tribal wharf]

what ghost boys

all i see is some totems

[sharp gale]

The fight is fair yep, the minmax is not required to do a 10

[tribal wharf]

or do you mean p2 walk back

for that, i just go left and avoid

[upbeat plover]

Kicking/ccing the ghosts that make the big bubbles gives you a dmg buff

and speed buff

[drowsy comet]

lol what, you get flagged publically? lmao

[tribal wharf]

you do

[upbeat plover]

Yes, you gotta be a good boy lil gup

[tribal wharf]

Agree to disband

soon as it is 1000% doomed

disband it with vote

then you will not get it

now, my personal feeling about this, is there should be some blizzard AI system

that if you have spent 27 minutes

and you are fighting the second boss and wipe aga in

especially if the game detects alot of like fighting and swearing in the party chat

[drowsy comet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/angry-mad-stare-WjXzDbhBhVN9EFkVSB

[tribal wharf]

you can get upset, just dont be a jack ass

[languid elk]

any other prot warriors notice the bug we have going now? Luckly i was in a llowkey when i notice this! Bug i experinced now is my def stance dropping off randomly food buff etc, also the healer couldnt target me either but he reloaded his ui and was able to target me !

[tribal wharf]

food buff bug, no

[languid elk]

well i always buff up befor a run and during my run it was off and i didnt die

[toxic pewter]

Haven’t experienced any of these bugs

[tribal wharf]

item used is the blue quality hearty skewer of beef, dunno what buff that i s but i have 200 of them in my bags

panda race?

[languid elk]

someone with the same issue pls dm me or ping in here !

defstance dropping randomly is nasty

[tribal wharf]

i dont have that one either

if you run zero addons period

1000000% blizzard ticket

[jagged pier]

its a wide spread issue, a refresh ui points to it being an addon now, compared to what ppl ahve said

what addons do u use?

[tribal wharf]

my assumption just listening to reports of i would guess its to do with elvui possibly

[fresh moth]

Hi friends, I’m sure this is asked a million times a day, but do we 1/4 apex or 4/4 it? Just looking to be as defensive as possible 🙂 ty all

[winter aspen]

what was the breakpoint for haste to use ITF ?

1000 haste ?

[toxic pewter]

1188

[winter aspen]

ah fuck

that is so high

[languid elk]

addon list sharedmedia_causese
RClootcouncil
wowhead quicklink
platynator
M+ dungeon teleports
astral keys
bigwigs-littlewigs
leatrix plus
method raid tools
mplustimer
mythic dungeon tool
raider.io

[toxic pewter]

It’s doable if like all ur pieces have haste and flask/oil

I got 1200 myself

Maybe one piece can’t have haste tho

[languid elk]

if u want to be tanky you go 1/4 apex

[jagged pier]

right but its 1188 unbuffed apb

and its very doable

[toxic pewter]

Wait

[jagged pier]

the haste rating is always unbuffed

and always has been unbuffed value

[toxic pewter]

Oh no lmao

Why does this always happen to me

[jagged pier]

you've been around long enough

u should know this

[jagged pier]

just run bsv

thats literally 95-99% of the work the 1/4 apex build does and u can run it with 4/4

[solid sun]

This is inaccurate

[daring marlin]

did WCL yeet degenerate padding in voidspire yet?

[jagged pier]

it will probably

[daring marlin]

It should

[jagged pier]

dont know if it has yet

[daring marlin]

shit is cringe af

[solid sun]

Why

Are people doing weird strats

[daring marlin]

cuz people make bosses take longer by saving CDs for fucking adds and not bosses lol

cuz they want to LOOK better

[solid sun]

Oh

Well shoot even brew does that

🤷‍♂️

[daring marlin]

he's lookin' to pad too duh

and he wouldn't if they yeeted add damage from rankings

[undone harbor]

Hi, wondered if anyone could help - am considering tanking in Midnight, never tanked before in my life but since I've played Fury Warrior since forever, I considered playing Prot. What would be the best way to start learning, so you don't go in and seem like a complete div in a dungeon who gets flamed by the group, guessing best to start running follower dungeons to get t he general idea down?

I understand all of the mechs now fundamentally on a DPS level but I also know there are certain tank mechanics you need to know

[languid elk]

@jagged pier any sujection on what addon causes the issues?

[solid sun]

Game probably doesn’t want you to be healed and have buffs because you aren’t taking all the apex talents

[daring marlin]

LMAOOOOOOOO

[jagged pier]

i have no idea i have some of them and not seen the issue myself, we need more data from ppl that do have the issue to see if u all run the same one

[solid sun]

Jakey takes all the apex talents

So far my theory is looking impeccable

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

Can you calculate how much 4/4 5% dr is worth in a key, or sort of any encounter?

Run content without 4/4 just look at total damage taken and multiply by .05 to get an idea of apex defensive value weigh this amount against last stand / indom heal value and can gauge 4/4 apex value

What’s wrong with this/ what am I missing

[solid sun]

Well basically

APB

There are two primary issues

First of them is as follows:

You’re the hecking feelycrafter so why are you tryna do math

Secondly: all our smart folks already told us 4/4 is better than that other build so we don’t have to

Blind faith buddy

Blind faith

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

If anything you should do the same key twice and tell us which one feels better

Since you are the feelycrafter

Compare the 4/4 with BSV build to the 1/4 with BSV, indom, last stand build

[toxic pewter]

Yah everything I said is sort of feely cuz can’t really get exact determinations when it comes to defensive stuff

Ok I will report back when I get home

I will conduct the experiments

[daring marlin]

Home from where?!

[solid sun]

Experimental mode engaged

APB hanging with the goth chicks at Culver’s

[toxic pewter]

I’m at my moms house

lol

[toxic pewter]

[harsh trellis]

Just jump in. Seriously. That is it. Go look at wowhead or icy-veins - grab the M+ build and go to work

[distant thicket]

what do i craft

[harsh trellis]

got a good Main hand and shield?

[distant thicket]

246 wep and hero shield

[harsh trellis]

Are you happy with those? do you have 4 sparks?

[distant thicket]

i have 6 sparks

jwing if i craft wep shield and idk the 3rd

[harsh trellis]

I would go ahead and send it on a sword and shield

[jagged pier]

its persoanly preferences/ beta coming to hit us in the ass, because the 5% dr was on the 1st apex talent in beta ppl got used to running 1/4, now its moved to 4/4 with no other changes to apex then the question is, is it still worth to take the other things, that i cant say ofr high keys, im pretty certain me sense and mwahi see no reason not to take 4/4 and i think as of yesterday the op io person was 4/4. but LS does have niches in very high keys (but u need to know what it is and when to use it), indom sure passive healing but its still not great but its not nothing, and BSV is BSV (which can be run with 4/4) but eh all those 3 will make damage feel smoother to intake i guess, even tho not really in math terms. up to the individual

as ive said the past few days i think for 99.9% of players that have made the switch / that make the switch they should just swap to BSV because that will do the lifting in keeping u alive

and ppl that have made the switch i cant confirm but im certain its BSV thats making them no die

/ not feel squishy anymore

[harsh trellis]

I do like BSV

[jagged pier]

because if u arent playing the class correctly u arent getting the full use out of indom as u need to be generating and spending rage to get the full amount out of it, which alot of ppl dont do

so for top ppl yes it will do somthing but for a majoity it will be doing less and not really added value

and LS is just causing ppl to use SW incorrectly

when ppl under use it already

its encouraging ppl to use it as an oh shit button instead of a preventative button

BSV will actually help its another cd that will stop ppl dying i used it myself in AA to make the pulls a joke

[harsh trellis]

Explain to me why I see some of these higher key builds dropping shield spec

[jagged pier]

i dont know

[harsh trellis]

I personally wont

[jagged pier]

and i dont understand it at all

[harsh trellis]

I like it

Im just curious like why

[jagged pier]

its literally like the strongest defensive talent in the game

ive seen builds where they have like BB but not shield spec

and if the aim is to be tanky

why are we taking BB

cause the fbv healing it will add, is nothing compared to the dr from shield spec

u can argue because the tuning of this season is so bad u dont need to run it like last season last tier

but blockable damage is still the most amount of damage u take in a key

but like a massive margin so y freely allow yourself to take 16% more of it

makes 0 sense

[toxic pewter]

Yes I def feel like many people literally don’t even realize they moved the dr to 4/4 lol literally cursed by beta like you said

[jagged pier]

i mean u also seee top builds with ITF instead of HR which i fight every s1 cause if the goal is to be tanky

u should just be running HR

[jagged pier]

some ppl dont think 5% DR goes far, when for blockable damage its pushing just closer to damage cap

but for us 5% DR flat is just big

[toxic pewter]

In my head 5% is sizable

[harsh trellis]

Thats why I dont understand why in the ptr build they are nerfing Avatar and thane

[jagged pier]

its a fury nerf

[harsh trellis]

I know its ptr

[jagged pier]

which insidently hits us

[toxic pewter]

Why was it even nerfed for fury

[harsh trellis]

Then apply to fury and not prot

lol

[jagged pier]

but bliz just has no idea how their changes effect multuiple specs differently

[harsh trellis]

Also you wanna have a fun time in Pit of saron? Take 2 fury warriors and a rogue with a resto shaman

[jagged pier]

well as the spells are not seperated by spec, even tho they can be. they arent at the moment so cant do that

anyway all these different talent builds in the end just show, that u can run any thing u want

and dungeons are more about group play than yourself and that 1 talent choice u made

[harsh trellis]

Also... aug in AA .... wasnt a fan of aug in tww.... its growing on me now

[solid sun]

My healer friend quit healing and is now gearing Aug

[jagged pier]

easy invite and less needing to try init

[undone harbor]

ok gonna give it a shot, thanks bro

[harsh trellis]

start in low keys, its really low stakes

you can wipe on every pull and time it

use keystone guru for any routes you may wanna try... but its mostly press W

[quartz grove]

Hi, I haven't played WoW in a long time, and I'd like to play a Protection Warrior. Could you give me some advice on which rotation to use, or point me to a guide for people who haven't played WoW in a while? Thanks in advance.

[distant thicket]

what craft after wep/shield ?

[undone harbor]

I kinda just asked the same q above 🤣 you can get a lot of that info on WoWhead

[undone harbor]

will do cheers!

[serene comet]

how do you analyze your tanking fails? is there a guide how to do it?

like... when i am doing m+ and i am dying. i dont have time to check death log, or the debuffs i had in the heat of the moment. how to improve?

[solid sun]

We recommend the icy veins guide over the wowhead guide

[solid sun]

Icy veins has a prot warrior guide that we recommend

[solid sun]

A couple avenues you can take to analyzing your gameplay are logs and recordings

Logs give us a ton of information we can read and obviously watching a playback of your gameplay can reveal things you didn’t notice in the moment

The drawback is that both of those are things you would do after the run is over

[serene comet]

with logs you mean... warcraftlogs.com?

[solid sun]

Yep

[serene comet]

alright thanks, i try to look into how to set that up

[solid sun]

#protection message

There ya go

[toxic pewter]

Basically shore up slots with weak gear. Many do bracers/cloak/jewelery… I did ring myself

[serene comet]

wow thanks so much! :>

[solid sun]

No problem. Let us know if you run into issues or have a log you’d like us to help you analyze

[coarse bay]

[solid sun]

I like crafting bracers and cloak

Because if I max craft them with embellies I just finished two slots

[vocal owl]

Do we get nerf??

[tribal wharf]

eh, someone corrected me might be 30 days

but, yes

[solid sun]

The nerf to Thane he’s referring to are for the .5 patch

[tribal wharf]

and we dont know how bad its going to be yet

[vocal owl]

Ohh okay

[solid sun]

But it isn’t just a nerf

Colossus is also being buffed

[toxic pewter]

If nothing changes prob gonna be colossus people

[undone harbor]

I heard Archon is the best to go with out of all 3? but I will check that ty

[solid sun]

It absolutely is not

Archon is simply an aggregate site with no explanations or rhyme or reason why anything is picked

[undone harbor]

ahh ok I always heard mixed info on this, others have said "wowhead/IcyVeins don't know what they're talking about, Archon is the one" but its good to know its not the case then

[solid sun]

The icy veins guide is written and caretaken by our very own Mwahi, who is a mod here and active in the channel

[vocal owl]

Do we use wirlwind as thane prot now??

[solid sun]

And also sometimes is available to answer questions

No we don’t use whirlwind

[coarse bay]

Like rhino said, archon isnt even a guide and will teach you nothing. It shows what the top 50 (or 100?) players in a spec have talented when they last logged out, which is giga useless since they are playing a different game than the rest of the playerbase.

[solid sun]

It’s also wild because it seems as though people are grabbing 1/4 apex builds from aggregate sites

But the current top prot warrior on raider.io is 4/4

So idk who they’re even following

Well, he was yesterday when we looked. I haven’t checked since and don’t really care to

[coarse bay]

Yup and im pretty sure it pulls their setups from logout or whatever raider.io snapshots. They could be in raid setup or anything

[solid sun]

I will say

That guy did a 19 pit

That’s crazy to me

Week 2 and people are out here doing 19s

[coarse bay]

Ya while it doesnt change much, i think the key level tuning has subconsciously been one of the things that is making me not want to push

Idk though maybe ill push a tiny bit later on

Once i have more time to actually play other characters

Idek if i will get vaults on my warrior this week

[serene comet]

sorry i already have a problem XD
your guide says "Step 1. Download WCL Uploader from http://www.warcraftlogs.com/"

but the only thing i can find is called "Archon App". thats a totally different thing? where can i find WCL Uploader?

this redirects to archon app :/

[sharp gale]

Warcraftlog companion

It’s not an addon it’s an app

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

[serene comet]

alright, this link ultimately also redirects to the "archon app" so i assume it is the one you meant

[sharp gale]

Archon is warcraftlogs

[coarse bay]

Ya i think that’s a recent thing

[solid sun]

Yeah tbh

I’m content just doing 10s rn

[sharp gale]

Well, archon always has been warcraftlogs they just rebranded 3 years ago

[solid sun]

I def notice that my efforts as a fury warrior are completely unnoticed

By my mates

Which is also impacting how much fun I’m having

It feels better when your plays get noticed

[coarse bay]

Oh ok, it seemed recent to me because i dont remember doing anything that said archon but i probably just never noticed before

[sharp gale]

The talent % above the logs ranks -> archon rebrand basically

[coarse bay]

We notice

[solid sun]

Psh

[coarse bay]

Ooooh that makes sense

[solid sun]

Your gf noticed my charge into double pink beams

Made her laugh

[coarse bay]

She notices all

[tribal wharf]

still annoyed the 1 button says hit rend for thane fury

[coarse bay]

Dont u hit rend though?

[tribal wharf]

as thane no

[coarse bay]

Oh as slayer?

[tribal wharf]

cuz clap applies it

[coarse bay]

Ya got it

[sharp gale]

They just renamed the company from their old obscure idk name, bc they have ff logs, wcl and other stuff growing

[solid sun]

I’m gonna level Resto shaman next

[sharp gale]

RPG Logs LLC

[solid sun]

And make happy tank for us on NA

So he can experience my water bending skills

[sharp gale]

I would gladly tank your keys if I could

But cross ocean gaming is still a reptile technology

[coarse bay]

[toxic pewter]

They should allow us to copy our characters cross regions

If they not gonna link the servers

[coarse bay]

If theyd just link the servers

I could play with apb

[tribal wharf]

i still hold that i think rs has the best mmo worlds system

you can just hop on whatever one you want, and then communities for runecarving just exist on that world

[toxic pewter]

[solid sun]

What

APB is NA

We can already play with him

[coarse bay]

If only we could play cross servers i could play with apb

[toxic pewter]

lol

[solid sun]

Camothy!

We are all NA!

[distant dove]

Have shitzzard fixed the defensive stance bug yet?

[coarse bay]

The time we did the deathless HM was all a dream

[coarse bay]

What bug?

[solid sun]

People are losing buffs

[distant dove]

The one were some characters keep dropping the stance

[coarse bay]

Oh hmm

Even shown in logs?

[solid sun]

Both stances, battle shout, even healing buffs like riptide and earth shield

[distant dove]

Yep, you can see it fall off on logs

[coarse bay]

Idk does warrior disc have a known bugs page or something

[tribal wharf]

some tanks said he was unable to be targed in a key resulting in his bdk tank dying and bricking the key

[coarse bay]

Im not up to date with these things sorry, i didnt even know it was happening

Is it warrior only?

[solid sun]

We spent a while yesterday trying to figure it out

Ended up just saying post on the forums

We couldn’t figure out what was causing it

[coarse bay]

And it was repeatable?

0 addons etc etc

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

[tribal wharf]

so, if this is caused by having, 47 addons, its a 2/10 clowns for blizzard and 8/10 for player cuz they set something up horribly wrong.
if its both healer and tank dont have any addons its 9/10 blizzard issue

[toxic pewter]

😂 I know that unblurred gif

[distant dove]

Oh yeah had this on my prot just yesterday as well

[jagged pier]

Someone said they fixed it by reloading ui

[distant dove]

Absolute clown company

[jagged pier]

Which points to an addon issue but no idea tbh

[coarse bay]

Ya id start by disabling addons 1 by 1 if you have a way to repeat the problem

Although idk if addons have the ability to actually control your auras

[tribal wharf]

its a shame it cant remember a fixed camera zoom distance, or hides all the list of debuffs, or chooses a default aura/stance for you.

whenever i log in

and i have to go through the process of resetting that time after time

[solid sun]

You can control my auras

[tribal wharf]

its just tedious

[solid sun]

I wonder if something got broken trying to fight addons for the race

And now us little folk are suffering :(

[coarse bay]

True

U can always disable any addons not updated since then

[cerulean tusk]

We already did the basics

It was simply too random to who got it. It was confirmed to be a thing, and it was repeatable. Yet you could not get it to work recreating it on a non bugged char. Then you had the fact that bugged chars had different trigger situations, yet couldnt trigger each others

A true mess this bug situation

[coarse bay]

[jagged pier]

just take the bug as a sign to go touch some grass, go to the gym or play a different game

[coarse bay]

[slender bison]

John Blizzard got so mad with buffs that lura heroic is harder than most voidspire myth bosses

Insane devs berserker rage

Not the tiktok brain memory game. The intermission is one shot also

[sharp gale]

What changes from normal ? I’m doing it tomorrow

Barely saw any mechanic in normal

[slender bison]

Crystals are raid breakers. Also need to soak beams in P2

[sharp gale]

The kicks ?

How many kicks/dispells you need ?

[slender bison]

No, the soaks

Kicks are afk